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Ari Temkin on the coaching changes at Utah, Transfer portal open, Morgan Scalley era begins + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome man, our
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  Speaker 2: good friend Ari, Tim Kind Big twelve today on tune
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  Speaker 2: in Radio Ari, welcome again. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 3: I'm great, OC. How are you, Buddy doon A right?
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  Speaker 2: Are you in the transfer portal? You're not in the
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  Speaker 2: transfer portal?
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  Speaker 3: Are you not yet? No? Not yet? But it's enticing.
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  Speaker 2: Man, there are three thousand plus football players in the
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  Speaker 2: transfer portal right now. I know that you can't unring
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  Speaker 2: this bell or close Pandora's box, but this number in
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  Speaker 2: this single window is it Is it an alarming thing?
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  Speaker 2: Is it something that we need to fix or figure out,
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  Speaker 2: or is it just something we should accept.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great question. I mean, I think there's a
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  Speaker 3: couple of ways to look at this number. One, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's all right from our perspective, Like how much
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  Speaker 3: does it bother us as fans or analysts of these teams?
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I think it's it's difficult to track
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  Speaker 3: players from a fans perspective when you know, rosters every
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  Speaker 3: year change hands seemingly, and then you know, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: what's the you know, what's the hympetus for any sort
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  Speaker 3: of you know, uh changing or jumping in, Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: are we looking out for the goodwill of the student athletes?
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  Speaker 3: That is that something that matters to us, probably not
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  Speaker 3: as much as our fandom and you know, having players
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  Speaker 3: that are going to be consistently on our teams. I
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  Speaker 3: think like the biggest thing I have is you would
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  Speaker 3: think that the players would have some semblance of the
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  Speaker 3: context associated with it, meaning you know, we now have
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  Speaker 3: enough of a sample to know that there's not enough
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  Speaker 3: spots for all of these guys. So you know, it
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  Speaker 3: makes sense then that somebody's eyes would make decisions based on, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: there's a there's a decent chance that if you enter
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  Speaker 3: the portal, you're actually gonna end up in a worse situation.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, maybe it's going to take a larger
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  Speaker 3: sample over a longer period of time in order for
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  Speaker 3: some of these guys to get that. But you know, see,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's like the biggest piece here is there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of data that suggests that there's not three
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  Speaker 3: thousand spots available, and you know, some of those numbers
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  Speaker 3: are going to be from FCS or Division two, you know,
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  Speaker 3: or or Division two players that are probably not gonna
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  Speaker 3: get a crack anyways. But the numbers that I've dug
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  Speaker 3: into further every year is how many of those guys
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  Speaker 3: are actually power for guys, and how many of them
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  Speaker 3: either you know, improve their status meaning get to you know,
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  Speaker 3: stay a power for school, and then end up with
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  Speaker 3: greater playing time, which is what a lot of them want.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's where some of the education is
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  Speaker 3: really important. That you look, you went to the portal,
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  Speaker 3: you may not get a better situation. You may get
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  Speaker 3: to end up in a worse situation. And the way
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  Speaker 3: I define better or worse situation might be completely different
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  Speaker 3: than those athletes themselves. But I think from a fans perspective,
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  Speaker 3: it sucks because because it's hard to become accustomed these
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  Speaker 3: players when you know there's a transient. There used to
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  Speaker 3: be a connection that we had to players and that's
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  Speaker 3: seemingly gone.
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  Speaker 2: Well it's interesting. I mean, we we had a guy Smith,
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  Speaker 2: Notden who you've watched all year, right, he sat down
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  Speaker 2: on like Live with Us at the Utah bookstore five
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago and was like, yeah, I'm a uteb man
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  Speaker 2: for life. And now he's in the transfer portal and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of reports indicating that it's down to BYU
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  Speaker 2: were Oregon for him, So not a Utah man for life.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, I don't begrudge it, because I'm sure when
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  Speaker 2: we had that conversation he fully meant it. But this
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  Speaker 2: is the situation we're in now where, especially when there's
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  Speaker 2: a coaching change, players feel it's almost necessary to explore
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  Speaker 2: the options, and we collectively have set this up in
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  Speaker 2: a way that there's nothing to discourage it. So why not,
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  Speaker 2: right And I think.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I'm surprised you said b Yu and Oregon.
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  Speaker 3: As soon as as smith Snowdon put his name in
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  Speaker 3: the transportal, I figured the name would be Michigan. And
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  Speaker 3: honestly that I would think, as a Utah fan, you
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  Speaker 3: might feel a little bit better about that if he
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  Speaker 3: did go to Michigan, because then at least it makes
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  Speaker 3: more sense and we could say, well, yeah, he said
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  Speaker 3: he was a Utah guy, but you know he wanted
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  Speaker 3: to follow his guy and Kyle Whittingham, so it makes
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  Speaker 3: more sense. It seems like, oh see, the issue is
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  Speaker 3: in making these declarative statements, you know, and coaches are
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more tuned to the media than the
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  Speaker 3: players are. But if you're a player, you probably just
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't make these declarative statements. As good as they found,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it ends up being a situation in which
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  Speaker 3: nobody feels good after the fact that you make statements
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  Speaker 3: like that. And you know, so, I I think, on
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  Speaker 3: the one hand, like Smith probably meant it when he
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  Speaker 3: said it, but unfortunately fans here what they want to hear,
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  Speaker 3: and if you say that, like it's just tough to
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  Speaker 3: walk it back. And again, I figured as soon as
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  Speaker 3: I saw Smith stow the name of the poor, he's
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  Speaker 3: want to Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think they're still in place, certainly, but even
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  Speaker 2: Michigan probably doesn't want to pay what Oregon seems to
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  Speaker 2: be willing to pay. We'll see, right, and Smith's data,
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  Speaker 2: I think you're where Smith Dand that was a BYU guys.
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  Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, right, the transfer
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  Speaker 2: Portal has been a net positive for the University of
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  Speaker 2: Utah since before we called it the transfer portal, and
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  Speaker 2: certainly even since because Kyle Whittingham and that culture and
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  Speaker 2: the constant sort of success I think was appealing to players,
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  Speaker 2: especially players who were looking for a little stability in
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  Speaker 2: a career that maybe wasn't going the way that they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to see it go. Now you're Morgan Scalley and
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to say, hey, we're going to preserve a
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  Speaker 2: lot of that culture, We're going to do things, but
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  Speaker 2: you're also you're also doing it my way now instead
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  Speaker 2: of just the Kyle Whittingham way. How do you walk
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  Speaker 2: that line if you're Morgan Scalley to where you're still
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  Speaker 2: as appealing as the program was before Kyle Whittingham left,
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  Speaker 2: but in a different way.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and you know, amazingly, I know a lot of
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  Speaker 3: Utah fans are, you know, a little perturbed about some
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  Speaker 3: of these assistants leaving in the Michigan But in some
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  Speaker 3: ways there's a net positive here with Jay Hill leaving
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  Speaker 3: their rival as the defense ordinator and take it over
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  Speaker 3: the defense at Michigan. So, you know, it's got to
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  Speaker 3: be interesting from the Utah fans perspective because I know
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  Speaker 3: that somewhere upset about some of the coaches leaving, but
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  Speaker 3: at the very you know it also impacted b Yu.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure Cougar fans are like, wait, what, how do
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  Speaker 3: this expect us now? And in a dramatic way, because
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  Speaker 3: we know how good Jay Hill's been, you know, for BYU,
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  Speaker 3: and it's you know, obviously we understand that it's it's
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's so much in house for Utah BYU
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  Speaker 3: that are interconnected. So it makes sense that that there'd
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  Speaker 3: be some ways in which it would impact him. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, I mean I think this was going
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  Speaker 3: to be a pretty smooth transition. A big part of
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  Speaker 3: it was, Hey, we don't want some of these assistant
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  Speaker 3: coaches to have to lose jobs or move and you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's one of the advantages of having Morgan Scalley who's
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  Speaker 3: in house. And you know, now it's like he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: have to redo the whole thing, you know, in his
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  Speaker 3: own image. And so I think in some ways that's good.
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  Speaker 3: In some ways, he's not taking over Kyle Whitningham's program.
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  Speaker 3: Now he's guys do stamp on it. And I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, look, Morgan's got to do his own thing.
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  Speaker 3: He can't just rely on this is how we've done things,
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  Speaker 3: and this is how we successful at Utah, maybe the
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  Speaker 3: way that people who expected it to go. You know,
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  Speaker 3: now he's got to put his own stamp because it's
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  Speaker 3: a completely different set of circumstances than we all anticipated.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody thought, you know, when Scaley was
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  Speaker 3: named the head coach in the waiting, that he'd take
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  Speaker 3: over at the same time with Kyle Whitningham taken over
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  Speaker 3: at Michigan and the circumstances surrounding this. So Morgan's got
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  Speaker 3: to do his own thing. I think too many times
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  Speaker 3: coaches that come from a tree to try to do
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  Speaker 3: it the exact same way as the other guy. And
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  Speaker 3: you're not. You're not Kyle Whittingham. You know, you might
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  Speaker 3: have similarities and might person that personality wise be similar,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't think you could replicate what's been done.
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  Speaker 3: I think you've got to do your own thing in
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  Speaker 3: your own way and not try to duplicate the same
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  Speaker 3: process as that we're already done.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Timpkins, our guests here on the Sean ol
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  Speaker 2: Connell Schultzalk and all things right now, you tough football,
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  Speaker 2: Let's focus on the Big twelve a little bit. I
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  Speaker 2: guess I shouldn't have doubted it. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I ever did doubt it, but I still have not
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  Speaker 2: used to Indiana being Indiana, right, And then I saw
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  Speaker 2: what they were able to secure in terms of early
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  Speaker 2: commitments just from this transfer portal class, I was like, Oh, yep,
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  Speaker 2: Indiana's not going anywhere. And I think the same is
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  Speaker 2: absolutely true of Cody Campbell and Texas Tech as they
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  Speaker 2: have reportedly locked down the number one free agent in
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  Speaker 2: college football and Brendan Sorosby for a number that's reported
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  Speaker 2: to be about five million dollars. What do you think
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  Speaker 2: of the four s the former Cincinnati quarterback going to
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  Speaker 2: Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not'll be that, but I mean it's it's almost
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  Speaker 3: as if they went through James Blacksher Joey McGuire went
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  Speaker 3: through the all Big twelve teams and just started picking
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  Speaker 3: off players they wanted and including Austin Romaine. Looks like
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna add him from Kansas State. They also added
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  Speaker 3: Trey White, a pass rusher from San Diego State who
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  Speaker 3: has like twenty nine and a half tackles for the
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  Speaker 3: loss over the last two seasons in nineteen sacks of
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  Speaker 3: the last two seasons. So yeah, they've reloaded, and they've
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  Speaker 3: certainly improved on the offensive side of the football, which
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  Speaker 3: was their major issue of that game. On Friday, My
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  Speaker 3: Day or Thursday My Day? Is the week? Are all
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  Speaker 3: messed up with this? I he wanted to say Saturday,
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  Speaker 3: and it's clearly not. But I mean, and going back
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  Speaker 3: to a question you said before about how should we
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  Speaker 3: feel about the portal, I mean, the reality, hero C
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  Speaker 3: is nobody's happy right now, and we all know the solution.
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  Speaker 3: It's right in front of us. It's just whether or
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  Speaker 3: not they want to move forward with it, which is
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  Speaker 3: collective bargaining. But that's the only way this thing gets fixed.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, in terms of getting fixed, like you
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  Speaker 3: need guys on legitimate contracts and they're going to honor
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  Speaker 3: that mean multiple seasons as opposed to you know, this
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  Speaker 3: perpetual free agency that we have. The only way to
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  Speaker 3: fix that is through collective bargaining, and everybody knows that.
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  Speaker 3: It's just they're trying to figure out a way to
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  Speaker 3: do it without collectively bargaining. And the reality is collective
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  Speaker 3: bargaining wouldn't be great for the athletes themselves because they're
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  Speaker 3: able to re up every year, and so they'd have
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  Speaker 3: to be, you know, tied to contracts and everything else.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean that's the ultimate fix. And we'll see
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  Speaker 3: if they're at what point I should say, we'll see
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  Speaker 3: at what point college football is ready to take that plunge.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, well Tech was a dominant defense
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  Speaker 3: all year. I think the one thing that maybe we
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  Speaker 3: overlooked heading into this this Orange Bowl game against Oregan
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  Speaker 3: was you know, how much their defense was able to
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  Speaker 3: aide their offensive success. And you know, I was surprised
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  Speaker 3: by how bad Bard Morton was.
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  Speaker 2: In this game.
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  Speaker 3: And it was just a combination of you know, Morton
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  Speaker 3: not playing well and not seeing the field well and
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  Speaker 3: Oregus defense just doing some stuff to him that he
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  Speaker 3: had not seen before. And it sort of was one
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  Speaker 3: of those things. Watching the game and I was at
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  Speaker 3: the Orange Bowl. It was a fun game to be at,
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  Speaker 3: except for when the game kicked off, because it was
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  Speaker 3: just brutal from a Big twelve perspective, because you know,
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  Speaker 3: this is fair or unfair, a huge measuring stick for
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  Speaker 3: this conference and to lay at Goosegg in that game
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  Speaker 3: again as well as your defense played, just the offense
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  Speaker 3: completely no showed and really gave Texas Tech no chance
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  Speaker 3: to win. So you know Sorsby will be a dramatic
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  Speaker 3: upgrade of the quarterback position. The question is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this defense was dominant, and David Bailey is a top
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  Speaker 3: ten pick, and they're adding some talent in the portal,
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  Speaker 3: there's no doubt about that, but enough to make them
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  Speaker 3: an elite defense like the event we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was that was gonna be the quick How
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  Speaker 2: sustainable is it? Right? It felt like defensively there was
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  Speaker 2: some magic and you can't bring all of these guys back,
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  Speaker 2: but we're not given Maybe I'm not given this coaching
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  Speaker 2: staff enough credit because most of these guys were only
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  Speaker 2: together for this year and they were able to put
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  Speaker 2: all that together.
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  Speaker 3: Right, And I mean, look, Indiana's doing it too, and
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  Speaker 3: Texas Tech, at least in this recruiting class is recruiting
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  Speaker 3: at a higher level than Indiana is right now. And
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  Speaker 3: but I mean Indiana, what they're doing is unprecedented. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they had the year last year where they
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  Speaker 3: put together a great season but didn't really beat anybody
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  Speaker 3: and then lost, you know, in the playoff to Notre
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  Speaker 3: Dame in a game that they weren't even close in.
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  Speaker 3: And now this year, they're the favorites to win it
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  Speaker 3: all with the same quarterback from last year who transferred in,
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  Speaker 3: and a bunch of new transfers. So you know, and
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  Speaker 3: it all goes back, of course, the blue chip ratio piece,
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  Speaker 3: which we've talked a lot about two and that is
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  Speaker 3: you know, Indiana and Ole miss are two teams that
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  Speaker 3: are in it in the final four. They're not blue
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  Speaker 3: chip ratio teams. And Indiana has been built in a
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  Speaker 3: way that you just don't see traditional national champs in
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  Speaker 3: college football built. So you know, this is a really
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  Speaker 3: good litmus test for like, can the Big twelve have
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  Speaker 3: a team that can win a national title? Because in
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  Speaker 3: the era of the blue chip racesio, in which no
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  Speaker 3: team has won a national championship having less than fifty
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  Speaker 3: percent of the roster, you'll before five star cruits, then
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  Speaker 3: you know, it kind of goes out the window. But
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  Speaker 3: I think to see Indiana do it, then there's this
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  Speaker 3: belief that, like, it is sustainable, it is something you
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  Speaker 3: can build a national championship team with.
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  Speaker 2: What do you make out a Sam Levitt's situation, He's
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  Speaker 2: going to Kentucky.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like, yeah, it feels like Arizona State and
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  Speaker 3: Kentucky just made a trade for the quarterback. Kentucky's quarterback
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  Speaker 3: goes to Arizona State. I would imagine for a significantly
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  Speaker 3: cheaper than the north of five million that Sam Levit's
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  Speaker 3: going to get. You know, look, I I wish Sam
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  Speaker 3: Levitt well. I know that there was some smoke around
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  Speaker 3: Levitt to Texas Tech. From what I've heard, there was
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  Speaker 3: no interest whatsoever. There just kind of a personality mismatch.
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  Speaker 3: Levitt obviously has the connection with will Stein, going back
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  Speaker 3: to his you know, his time being recruited at Oregon
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  Speaker 3: by Kenny Dillingham and will Stein. So but look, really
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  Speaker 3: good quarterback. I think he's going to immediately read the
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  Speaker 3: expectations for Kentucky. It's a lot of money to spend
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  Speaker 3: on one player.
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  Speaker 2: Did they did the Kennedy Dellingham cut Sam Levitt? I
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  Speaker 2: spent some time in the ASU conspiracy circles. And you
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  Speaker 2: know there's this apocryphal story about maybe he was playing
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  Speaker 2: pick up basketball and rolled an ankle and and that
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  Speaker 2: upset his teammates and his coaching staff to the point
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  Speaker 2: where this divorce ended up happening. What have you heard
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  Speaker 2: or do you do you hear? Anything about that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of smoke around the end
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  Speaker 3: of the Sam Levitt era in Arizona State. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I do think. Look, Levitt is
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  Speaker 3: a is a different cat. You know, He's obviously got
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  Speaker 3: an ego on a level that you know, he wanted
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  Speaker 3: to go out to the open market and see what
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  Speaker 3: was out there for him, and he's cashed in a
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  Speaker 3: big way. I think if we just kept this to
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  Speaker 3: a dollars and cents conversation, Arizona State at some point
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  Speaker 3: did the arithmetic. It figured out that it was just
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  Speaker 3: not going to be worth it because they they had
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  Speaker 3: more money they needed to spend in different areas of
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  Speaker 3: their team in order to become you know, championship caliber,
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  Speaker 3: and they didn't feel like, you know, investing five to
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  Speaker 3: seven million in Sam was worth it. And I think
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  Speaker 3: if all those other things are there too, are you
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  Speaker 3: are you investing five million plus into this guy? And again,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's somewhere north of five and south of seven,
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  Speaker 3: So I think he ends up getting more than Soresby.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see, you know, if the numbers come out publicly,
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  Speaker 3: but I think, you know, oh see, if if those
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  Speaker 3: things are there off the field, and there's concerns are
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  Speaker 3: you paying him five million? Probably not, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's like he had to check a lot of boxes
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  Speaker 3: and he probably didn't, and so it's not worth you know,
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  Speaker 3: can we get an offensive line? No? Not if we're
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  Speaker 3: paying Sam sam Levitt five million?
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  Speaker 2: Can the big twelve keeper leak Brown in the conference?
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  Speaker 3: Well? And that's where it goes to the You know
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  Speaker 3: that if you did spend five million on Sam Levitt, you
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  Speaker 3: know how much do you now have to spend in
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  Speaker 3: other players. It's obvious that Arizona State knows what they're
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  Speaker 3: doing in terms of, you know, recruiting and scouting running backs.
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  Speaker 3: So he said he had a great year, obviously, but
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  Speaker 3: I also wonder if they feel like, hey, we could
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: go and I mean it's it's sort of like the NFL,
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: where you might have a thousand yard back, but you
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: may also look at, say do we pay him x
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: or going to the draft and find a guy that
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: can become a you know, Jacobe Krosky Merritt or how
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: I'm a nun guy for the Bears. You know, these
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: guys that are having really good rookie seasons that were
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: laid draft picks that are making that much money, and
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: you wonder, if you're Kenny's only Ham and you feel
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: like you're good enough at the quarterback position, you're getting
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: enough on your offensive line, you know, do you have
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: to spend the money? I mean, I think it's like
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: the NFL in that you've got to really put a
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: premium on the premium positions. You know, you want to
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: invest heavily quarterback, defensive end, offensive line. I don't know
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: that running backs is gonna where I'm going to invest heavily,
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: even though I do have a guy in Brown who
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: was really really good last year.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: All Right, it's January fifth, We've got what ten days
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: of transfer portal left, and a college football playoffs still
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: to figure out. Handicap for me, the ri Tempkin you know,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: top teams in the Big twelve for twenty twenty six.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. Man. Is Devin dam Pier back.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: In Utah conspicuously absent to any announcements or information on that?
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: And then look, there was a lot of conversation that
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Arizona State was coming hard after Devin dan Pierre, and
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: then this weekend we get an announcement that they've secured
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: a Kentucky quarterback, So I mean, I don't think he's
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: going to Michigan. Doesn't seem like that's in the cards.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, exactly. So I mean, if Devin dam Piers
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: is back in Utah, they're in the conversation. I mean,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: I think you're looking at probably the same teams we
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: talked about at the end of the year BYU year
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: two with Bert Bachmeyer, you know, even with Jay Hill gone.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I expect them to be really good on defense again,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: and they might not need to be as good as
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: they've been because their quarterback situation I think will be,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: you know, really good going into year two a bear.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, Texas tacks obviously the favorite, just based on
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: their ability to acquire talent and then their ability to
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: put that on the field. And you know, look, we
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: saw Soersby look really good, but he has the last
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: two seasons sort of crumbled at the end of the season.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: So you wonder, is that Scott Satterfield related, Is it,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: you know, related to just the roster that Cincinnati's Haad
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: That remains to be seen, but I think you could
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: certainly start with the three best teams for last year.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I don't see any reason why either of those you
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: would take a step back. And then look, I mean
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma State adding Drew Mestimaker, who is Eric Morris's quarterback
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: in North Texas. Just look at Eric Morris's history, like
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: even bad quarterbacks have career years under him, and messa
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Maker looks like a legit, you know, starting quarterback QB one.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Kansas brought Andy Cole Nicky back. Kansas has not had
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: a ton of success since Colin Nicky left and went
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: to Penn State, So you know, can that help improve
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: their offense? So I think there's you know, some other
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: potential surprises as we move along throughout this offseason to
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: see who else could be in that conversation, But I
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: certainly start with the three teams that ended the season,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: you know, towards the top of the Big Twelve.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Well, there's no such thing as a football offseason anymore.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: But I'm excited to keep fucking through basketball and all
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: that with you, my friend, You're the best.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Do see take care, brother, all right?
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Tempkin on tune in radio. You can find him on
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Big twelve today.