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Episode 17 - Dungeon Secrets: Power, Pleasure & the Psychology of Submission · The Bull Brotherhood

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When I'm doing a negotiation with somebody I
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don't know, and it's in this setting as opposed
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to like a kink setting, it's very different.
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Because if I'm in like a BDSM dungeon, we're
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definitely probably pre -negotiating for up to
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weeks, depending on the type of play we're doing.
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And in a BDSM dungeon, play does not necessarily
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mean sexual contact. Like penetration doesn't
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typically happen in those types of settings.
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And so here it's a little different because I
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don't know the person that's coming. It's considered
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pickup play. They'll see maybe me working on
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somebody or they'll see Craig working on somebody.
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And they'll come up and they'll be like, can
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you do that to me? And I'll be like, I can do
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something like that to you. We can try. You know,
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and I'll come and I'll set them up. And right
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before we get on there, I'll ask them, hey, do
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you have any medical conditions that I need to
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be made aware of? taking blood thinners because
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i don't want them to wake up the next morning
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and they've got bruises everywhere with my handprints
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on them some people like that some people don't
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um are you okay if we leave marks on your body
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maybe because bruising won't happen are you okay
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if i put my hands on you if i lay my body on
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you can i put my hand around your neck can i
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put my hand in your hair um and then sometimes
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what i'll do a lot of people will be i'll be
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like what are your limits Let me go get some
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scissors. We better have a good time. I'll be
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like, you know what? When they give me that type
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of response, I'm like... This podcast contains
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leave a lasting impression. If you're here, you're
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not just curious. You're ready to elevate. So
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to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, and open
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-minded explorers, we see you. Let's go. What's
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good? What's good, y 'all? This is Socrates from
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the Bull Brotherhood Podcast. I'm kind of rolling
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solo this time, y 'all. So, Siren is... off doing
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her thing. We are at Splash Mocha Fort Lauderdale
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2025, y 'all. And I'm really excited today. We
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got Brian Morgan is off, y 'all. He's chilling
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in home base and the wifey is off probably flirting
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with some dude at the pool right now. But we
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got a really special, exciting episode for you
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guys today. We got some awesome people from the
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dungeon here in Splash, and they're going to
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talk about, you know, what they do in the dungeon
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and how it works. And first we're going to start
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off with Mr. East Coast himself. What's going
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on, brother? Not much, man. How you doing? Real
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good, real good. I just, I remember the first
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time I saw your ass, I was like. Who is this
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nigga right here? Yeah, that happens a lot. People
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say that a lot in their first impression of me.
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Yeah. Then we got Barbell Vixen. What's going
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on, girl? Not much. How are you? Not much, man.
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Y 'all have heard her before, so you know what
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you can get with that. I'm excited. I'm excited.
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And then the lovely Eve. What's going on? Gallivanting
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here at Splash Mocha. Yeah. So, you know, I'm
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usually the interviewer. I'm the one that asks
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a million questions. But this time, you know,
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I'm more than solo. And we're just going to have,
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you know, the crew here kind of explain how it
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goes down at Splash Mocha when it comes to the
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dungeon. Because, you know, kink is a little
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different than what we normally do in Splash.
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And, you know, it's a different world. and we're
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going to have them kind of talk about it. So,
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you know, I don't know how you want to get it
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going, brother, but, you know, tell them, like,
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what the dungeon is all about and what can they
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experience when they come in. All right, so first
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of all, I want to say I became, I run the dungeon
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here at Splash. This was originally set up by
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Glim, who is... Serge Rez. I want to give a shout
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out to him. Unfortunately, he passed away several
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years ago. This is all still set up in his honor
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and his memory. You see there's a sign outside
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with him standing on it. Again, unfortunately,
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he passed away several years ago. I don't consider
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this... This is kind of like dungeon light to
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me. If you come to Splash and you're... Looking
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for a real dungeon experience. That's not what
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this is. I do a lot of flogging. You'll see people
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come in and do some flogging of their own. At
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a couple parties, you've seen someone doing some
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shibari, some rope tying and stuff. I do have
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a violet wand, and I'll use that. But it's more
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of dungeon light for several reasons. But yeah,
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it's not a dungeon like people would consider
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it to be. in the street if they were to pay to
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go to a dungeon. It's a little bit different.
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I just feel like you're introducing this to the
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community. This is a lifestyle party. It's not
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a kink party. A lot of stuff you may see in a
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real dungeon, you're not going to see here for
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several reasons. As I say during a lot of my
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seminars, I don't want to scare somebody off
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to the craft. I do lighter stuff that are going
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to help people get over their fear of pain and
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different things rather than reinforce their
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fear that it's going to be painful. Thankfully,
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I've been able to turn a lot of people on to
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flogging and different parts of being at the
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kink side of things. Every time I'm here and
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I talk to people about their experience, one
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or two people talk and say, man, I had a great
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time in the dungeon. They talk about the experience
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with one of you guys. what do you guys like the
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most about it barbell like what is the thing
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that you get most excited about when you're in
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here and you're knowing okay it's going to be
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friday night saturday night it's going to be
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popping and you're going to have a new always
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have someone new in there what is the thing that
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excites you the most about it i think really
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just them coming in And, you know, they all want
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to congregate in front of the door. I have to
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try to bring them on in. Like, you can come in,
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walk through, see what's going on. And to see
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them come in and watch. And they might turn around
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and leave within a few minutes. But then to be
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able to see them come back again. So they'll
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come back and they might cycle through a couple
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of times. You know, and sometimes it takes them
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a couple of times to come in before they actually
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are ready to try it. You know, so it's. I like
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seeing them come in and out and kind of learn
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a little bit as each time they've come in. Yeah,
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yeah. Just like when you first come to the door,
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there's usually like a crowd at the door peeking,
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right? I don't want to step in there too much.
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They might hit me or something. They might be.
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Exactly. No, come on. Yeah, yeah. So I think
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when it comes to... The kink dynamic, there's
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a power exchange, right? Yes, yes. So talk to
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me about that power exchange and, like, how you
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guys kind of fit in that. So, again, I run the
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dungeon here. I don't consider myself a dungeon
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master, and partly because of what I explained
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earlier. There's a lot more that goes into being
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a master than the things that I do. My craft
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and my specialty is the flogging. But as far
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as the power stuff, you have the different types.
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There's the top, there's the bottom, and then
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there's the person who does both, and they're
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a switch. And that's... what we represent up
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here at the top, the bottom, and the switch.
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In that order. In that order. So you being a
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top or a dominant, right? Right. What does that
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entail? For people who are just really gotten
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getting into this, what does that mean? What's
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the difference between a top and a bottom? We
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got into a little bit of this yesterday in the
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class. The top is the one that's mostly administering.
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And the bottom is the one that's receiving. I
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was going to say submissive, but, I mean, it
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doesn't mean you're submissive because you're
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on the receiving end of it because there are
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some tops who will be on the receiving end. Like
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Tim was over here yesterday, and he actually
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said there's certain things. Like he likes fire
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play. He likes needle play. So he is a top. In
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those forms, he can't do it on himself, obviously,
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so he has to bottom out for someone. Gotcha.
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But I like what he said yesterday. He said instead
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of giving and receiving, he will ask people,
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do you want to do what is being done, or do you
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want to have what's being done to you? And so
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that's how he kind of explained it in our class
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yesterday. And as a bottom, From your perspective,
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what does that mean to you, especially in contrast
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to being a top or a switch? So I have no desire
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to administer anything, to be the one doing any
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of the actions. I am always the bottom, so I'm
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always the one receiving, whether it's... the
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shabari was being tied or the flogging or with
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the violet wand. I'm always the one that's receiving.
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It's always being done to me. And that's where,
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that's where my enjoyment comes from. What do
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you look for in a top? Like if a guy, from what
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I hear in the King community, there's a lot of,
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um, not just guys, right? You could be a top,
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could be a female, could be male, could be, right?
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So a lot of tops say, oh, yeah, I'm a master
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at this, or I'm a top, or I'm a dominant. And
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I hear a lot of subs say, nah, he don't know
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what he's doing. So what are you looking for
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in a top that, whether it be male or female,
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that you're looking for something that says he's
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going to be a good experience? To be knowledgeable,
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to be able to explain to me what they are going
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to do, to be able to ask me what I would like
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for them to do, because that tells me that they
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at least know what they're doing. And so then
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in talking with them, you know, be able to get
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that sense of. Like I said, knowledge, but then
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the safety and the security within that. There's
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still a certain level of trust. So, like, obviously
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my level of trust with him is much greater than
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with anybody else. But Eve has vlogged me. So
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there is that sense of trust with her that I
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knew that I was good with her. Yeah. So I practice
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shibari. I've been practicing that for about
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three years now. And I agree with you. If somebody's
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not asking a boy, do you have any joints that
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we have to look at, right? Where are the places
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that are sensitive? Do you have any? Some people,
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if I'm going to put you in a contortionist position,
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you have back problems. You have aches and pains
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here, right? Flexibility issues. Flexibility
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issues, right. If they're not asking those things,
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I know at least you don't have. I wouldn't call
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myself a master or like an expert at it yet,
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especially in the suspension. side of it, but
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I know if you're not asking those important questions,
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then you have a lot more to learn. Now, the switch.
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That is the thing that fascinates me the most,
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man. Because to me, it's a mode. As a dominant
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person in general, I own businesses. I'm the
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head of my household. I like to run things. I
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like to direct things. I'm in that mode all the
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time. And I'm not at the stage where I kind of
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need to get away from that just yet. So it's
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weird to me to switch that mode. How do you do
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it? It's definitely a power dynamic type of thing.
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I don't submit to somebody I have no respect
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for. There's a respect factor. There's a trust
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factor. I don't bottom for very many people.
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And everybody here could probably attest to that.
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If anything, it shocks people when I do bottom.
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because I just don't do it. But that shows a
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level of respect that I have for the person that's
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topping me or that is my dominant or whatever
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the case is. I didn't come into the lifestyle
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as a switch. I came in like re, where I was just
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like, nah, I don't want to do anything. I want
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to sit here, I want to look pretty, and you're
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going to do stuff to me. But I am dominant in
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my everyday life and everything that I do. And
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so eventually I... In my effort to want to help
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my dominant in this type of space, I was like,
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oh, well, you know, I could hit some people with
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some stuff. And then I liked it. My partner now,
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every time he introduces me, he says, this is
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evil. And I'm like, no, no, Eve. I'm real nice,
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I swear. I don't know. She's got a look on her
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face at some point that would make you think
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otherwise, honestly. People have to come and
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find out. But I eventually evolved. I had the
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evolution. Not everybody has that, and that's
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okay. But I evolved in that space here at Splash
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Mocha where I learned, man, I really like manipulating
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people's bodies and making them be like, ooh,
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I kind of like that. And they didn't even know
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they would like that. And so that's what I get
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off on. Now that's what I get off on. We do a
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little pre -negotiation because I don't know
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a lot of the people that I'm out here slapping
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up or playing with my hands or pulling hair on
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the bench. I don't know most of them. So I like
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to talk to them a little bit. Hey, do you have
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any medical conditions I need to be aware of?
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Are we on blood thinners, contusions? Do you
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have any fractured ribs? That's kind of important
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to know. Oh, you have stitches? Oh, wow. Because
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sometimes what I do, you know, is sexual in nature.
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There's no penetration or anything like that.
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But I'm touching you in a real sensual way. And
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that might pull on some skin. And if you've got
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stitches, girl, we can't play like that. Because
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I don't want you bleeding. But, yeah, for me,
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it was an evolution. And it's a respect factor
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if somebody's going to top me or be a dominant
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for me. What are you looking for in that area?
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Especially now you're pointing out respect. What
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are you looking for that you can respect in a
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talk? Somebody has their shit together. I move
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real slow when I look at partners. And I really
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watch for a while because I want to see how people
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move. Because you can watch somebody from the
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corner of the room and be like, I don't know
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how I felt about that. and some people will turn
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me off. They didn't even know they turned me
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off. But I just, I like to, I move slow, especially
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when it's me that's on the bottom. I'll move
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real slow. And then if it's like a bottom, you
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know, I just kind of have to pay attention to
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their body at that point. Body language is so
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important. Your body tells on you before your
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mouth ever will. Facts. Very true. So we have
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some people in the audience here. Anybody want
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to ask any questions? That's what they're here
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for, to kind of... educate you on how this part
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of the lifestyle works and, you know, what we
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do here and any kind of questions that people
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might have when they're, you know, getting into
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it. It's ironic that Tim walked in because we
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had just finished talking about you. Were your
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ears burning? Yeah, we just finished talking
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about you. No? Okay. Now, I got a question for
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Eve. Is there a time where you have topped and
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bottomed in the same night in the same dungeon?
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Yeah. Are you talking about like at the same
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time? Not at the same time, but like, you know,
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you'll top somebody and then you'll switch and
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be the bottom that same night. Last night. Yeah,
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I was in here last night. My partner was in here.
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He beat me over there on that bench. My legs
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are too short for that, so now we know that.
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And then right after, I had some people that
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know me came up and were like, can you do something
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like that to me? And I was like, hell yeah. And
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I was high. I was like, this is great. Like being
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beaten or being the bottom gives you this high
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that they call subspace. And that's where I was
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last night. I was in that subspace. I kind of
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came down from it a little bit. And then I was
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like, oh, I'm ready. I've got energy. And my
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style is very sensual. So I use a lot of my body.
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I use a lot of my hands. I don't use very many
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implements. I grab hair, I might put a hand around
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your neck, but we negotiate all of that too.
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I make sure, hey, are you okay if I put my hands
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on you? Are you okay if I put my hand around
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your neck because I don't want to trigger anything,
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right? Are you okay if I pull your hair? Those
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can be triggers for some people. For me, it's
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fun. Don't get me wrong. But for some people,
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those can be triggers. So, yes, I have definitely
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done that on multiple occasions. It's great when,
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I love it when Eve is in here because you get
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to see a contrasting style. I am, like she said,
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she's a lot more hands -on, and I use a lot more
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implements. I do a lot with my floggers. I will
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do some touching and stuff like that, but there
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is a huge contrast in the two. Yeah, our styles
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are definitely different, but great. That's the
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beautiful part. And there's also, you know, there's
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some men that come in that want to be a bottom,
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and they may have an issue being a bottom for
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another man. So we, you know, especially if he's
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here, we're like, if that's really what you want,
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like, when she comes back, she'll be back, like,
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you know, and they're a little more comfortable
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being a bottom as a male, you know, for her.
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Yeah, I have two men lined up for tonight, actually.
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Yeah, I love it. It's great when she's in here.
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It really is good. Tim, you got to say something,
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man? I just have a question to ask if there are
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any questions. I would say that currently it
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sounds like each one of you are in your position
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that feels right, top, bottom, whichever. Are
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there any times where you guys reevaluate your
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position and say, you know, is this best for
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me? Or how do you stay open to life? growing
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and evolving into something else, like just being
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open for the possibilities. You know, man, it's
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like Eve said. I've always been a naturally type
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of dominant personality. You know what I mean?
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I've always been, like in college, I was voted
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captain. You know, I've always been, like at
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work, I say, hey, let's do this. You know, I'm
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kind of out in the front leading everything.
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You know, so I'm not really. as interested in
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becoming a bottom or a switch. I like that lead
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role. Just like she said, she likes that submissive
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side. I like that dominant part of it. It's just
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in my nature to be a dominant, leading type of
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person. So I really don't have an interest to
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be a bottom. And for me, in my everyday life,
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I am like Eve. I am. Alpha. I am in charge of
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everything. I've raised my children by them by
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myself for most of their lives. And and I make
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all the decisions. And, you know, so I'm I'm
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dominant in every other aspect of my life. So
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when it comes to the relationship side, the lifestyle,
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the kink side, I'm just a bottom. That's just
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all I am. And and so for for Eve, when she said,
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you know, she gets pleasure of being able to
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manipulate somebody's body and make it do something
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they didn't know they might even like. For me,
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just to be in here and watch that happen. So
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that's where I get off, is being able to watch
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either one of them make that happen for somebody
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else's body. There's a lot of people that are
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like that, too. They're in charge. When I first
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started getting into kink and the first time
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I picked up floggers, I remember there was a
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girl who she wanted me to be dominant. And again,
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I was just... coming into and learning all of
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this. And I didn't understand it at all. And
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she said basically the same thing. She said,
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I am the boss at work. I am a single mother.
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I run everything. So when I get into the ethical
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non -monogamous part of it, I want to be completely
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dominated. And there's a lot of people, I mean,
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my cuckolding group, there's a lot of people
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that are like that in there, you know, that is
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their release for that, you know, to be. the
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submissive side, away from everything else in
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their life. I love that part because the cucks
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that I first got involved with were very high,
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either high security clearance or very high up
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in corporate America or military. And these are...
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On the outside world, you would call them alphas,
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right? These are domineering men who have not
23:26
only a personality presence, like not only you
23:30
know when they walk into the room, their personality
23:33
shines the same as you, but their physical presence
23:36
is there. But seeing them in the room and, you
23:40
know. caged or tied up you know and and their
23:44
significant other is just barking orders and
23:48
and it it's amazing to me so uh you you you've
23:52
talked about uh negotiations so um tell me either
23:57
one anybody who wants to jump in on this one
23:59
tell me how you what you're looking for in that
24:02
negotiations are you just i know you're looking
24:05
for like okay you know what are your aches and
24:07
pains what are your do's and don'ts but are you
24:10
going beyond that are you looking for anything
24:12
beyond that or you just want to know hey what
24:14
are the things that you want me to do and not
24:16
do and then i'm going to work with that um when
24:18
i'm doing a negotiation with somebody i don't
24:20
know and it's in this setting as opposed to like
24:23
a kink setting it's very different because if
24:26
i'm in like a bdsm dungeon we're definitely probably
24:30
pre -negotiating for up to weeks depending on
24:34
the type of play we're doing And in a BDSM dungeon,
24:38
play does not necessarily mean sexual contact.
24:40
Like penetration doesn't typically happen in
24:43
those types of settings. And so here it's a little
24:46
different because I don't know the person that's
24:49
coming. It's considered pickup play. They'll
24:52
see maybe me working on somebody or they'll see
24:54
Craig working on somebody. And they'll come up
24:57
and they'll be like, can you do that to me? And
25:00
I'll be like, I could do something like that
25:01
to you. We could try. And I'll come and I'll
25:04
set them up, and right before we get on there,
25:06
I'll ask them, hey, do you have any medical conditions
25:08
that I need to be aware of? Do you take any blood
25:11
thinners? Because I don't want them to wake up
25:13
the next morning and they've got bruises everywhere
25:15
with my handprints on them. Some people like
25:17
that, some people don't. Are you okay if we leave
25:21
marks on your body? Maybe because bruising will
25:23
happen. Are you okay if I put my hands on you,
25:27
if I lay my body on you? Can I put my hand around
25:29
your neck? Can I put my hand in your hair? And
25:32
then sometimes what I'll do, a lot of people
25:34
will be, I'll be like, what are your limits?
25:36
And they'll be like, oh, no, you can do anything.
25:38
I'll be like, girl, let me go get some scissors.
25:42
We better have a good time. I'll be like, you
25:45
know what? When they give me that type of response,
25:47
I'm like, what do you not want me to do? Because
25:51
that's a good indicator. Is there anywhere you
25:54
don't want me touching? And most of the time
25:57
I don't touch genitals at all. I don't touch,
26:00
you know. Female genitalia, depending on the
26:03
person, and if I know them well enough, I might
26:05
touch their breasts. But we got people in here
26:10
that come out squirting, and I haven't touched
26:12
their genitals, and that is the high. Ooh, that
26:16
feeling is real good. But that's typically what
26:18
my negotiation will look like. Nice. See, I passed
26:23
it to Eve, and one thing I say, and they can
26:26
attest I said it yesterday, is that in this setting,
26:29
I'm only in here from 10 to 2. You know, and
26:32
there's a lot of people that come through here.
26:34
You know, a lot of people there. I mean, there's
26:36
days where I think in Houston, somebody said
26:38
there was like 70 people up in there. And I don't
26:41
get a chance to go through a full negotiation
26:45
and a full scene with somebody. You know, if
26:48
I do that, then there's a lot of people that
26:49
are not going to come back in the dungeon because
26:51
they never had an opportunity to do something.
26:53
So it's like I waited in line for two hours for
26:56
you. So I tell people it's a shorter journey.
27:00
So a lot of times, and because I'm not as physical
27:02
with things as she is, it's, okay, I'm going
27:06
to do this. Are you okay? Have you been flogged
27:08
before? No? Okay, well, relax. I'm good at reading
27:11
your body language. Speak up if I do something
27:15
that you're not happy with. I can usually tell
27:18
from your body language, but if there is something
27:20
that you did not like or something that triggers
27:23
you, yeah, say. I didn't like that. Turn around
27:26
and let me know so I know not to do that again
27:29
or to tone it down some. But it's a journey,
27:33
man. I take people from here and I have to bring
27:36
them up here really quickly because I don't have
27:38
the time. And then I don't have the time for
27:40
aftercare the way that I want to or should be
27:43
doing because I bring them up so fast, I bring
27:46
them back down kind of, I wouldn't say as quick.
27:50
You know, because you still have to be conscious
27:52
of a lot of things. But it's a quicker journey.
27:55
So because of the environment in here, I have
27:59
to be different. So I'm not allowed to have those
28:02
negotiations like they have. Now, if you come
28:06
in here, you will see Eve and you'll see Tim.
28:08
Tim comes in a lot. And you'll see them sit on
28:11
the floor for 20, 30 minutes before they work
28:13
on somebody. I just don't have the time to do
28:17
that. While I'm sitting there talking, there's
28:18
people in the dungeon just sitting around looking.
28:20
And now they lose interest in how they lead.
28:23
So I have to keep things kind of moving in here.
28:26
Nice. I like that. Barbell, as far as negotiations
28:31
from a subs perspective or a bottoms perspective,
28:36
what are you looking for? What do you want to
28:38
hear your top ask you or how they approach you
28:43
or how they... Do the whole negotiations part.
28:45
I think my favorite thing is what Eve just said
28:48
a second ago. What do you not want me to do?
28:51
Because as a sub, as a true bottom, I can answer
28:56
that a whole lot easier than I can answer what
28:59
I want you to do to me. Because, I mean, I'll
29:03
try anything once, you know, and maybe again.
29:08
And it's just, maybe it takes twice just to make
29:11
sure. Maybe the first person didn't do it right.
29:16
And so because of that, I know there are certain
29:19
things that are, that's a no. So I can easily
29:22
answer what I don't want you to do to me. But
29:27
I can also, if there are certain things that
29:29
I've, again, I'll kind of try anything. So if
29:32
there's something that a top wants to do to me
29:35
that I don't, I've never had done. tell me what
29:39
you're wanting to do with me. You know, and describe
29:42
that to me. And let me make a choice. Do I want
29:44
to try that or do I not want to try that? So,
29:47
again, that goes back to that knowledge. You
29:50
know, like Eve said, somebody that's got their
29:52
shit together. Like, you know, I need you to
29:54
be. asking me what my triggers are, you know,
29:58
and what I'm OK with and what I'm not OK with.
30:00
Those things are easier to answer than what do
30:03
you want me to do? You know, so again, more what
30:06
do you not want me to do? That's those are some
30:08
hard answers that you can just boop, boop, boop.
30:09
We check those off, you know, move on through
30:11
that negotiation. Nice. I don't know if you want
30:16
to answer this as well, but Eve, will you go
30:18
through? the different implements that you are
30:21
going to use on them. Like when I walk in and
30:24
I show somebody they may not have been in here
30:26
before, I say, hey, here's my floggers. Here's
30:29
what I use. This is made of this. Do you like
30:32
this? But this is probably what I'm going to
30:34
use. I don't. I like that sensory deprivation
30:39
piece where it's an adventure. We're going on
30:43
an adventure. It's a trust thing, too. Oh, yeah.
30:46
Yeah, because, and I'll tell them, I'll be like,
30:50
I'm not here to cause you pain. I'm here to cause
30:52
you 100 % pleasure. Some of that might be through
30:56
a little bit of pain. Now, if I'm going to work
30:59
with somebody that's maybe like a heavy masochist
31:02
that they want to be beaten, I'll show them certain
31:05
implements. Because if I'm going to hit you that
31:07
hard with it and that's what you want and you
31:09
get pleasure out of that, yeah, I'm probably
31:11
going to show you the heavy ones that are over
31:13
there and tell you this is one of the things
31:14
I'm going to work on using on you. So in this
31:19
particular setting, no, I'm not showing them.
31:21
I usually just use three little things. A nice
31:23
soft flogger that's back there, a soft paddle
31:27
that's back there with a real cold handle that's
31:29
real nice when your ass is on fire. Yes. And
31:32
then one other thing I might find that might
31:35
be interesting on somebody. But other than that,
31:37
I don't really use very many other implements
31:39
but my hands and my body. Yeah, definitely for
31:44
me, each... occurrence is going to be different.
31:48
I'm going to, it depends on the bottom and what
31:52
is happening at that time and that day and that
31:54
specific thing for the bottom. If I feel that
31:57
the, there's a lot of anxiety for the bottom
32:02
and this is really like one of their first times.
32:05
then I may go to the point where I am explaining
32:08
and showing out one of the tools and implements.
32:11
However, if that anxiety is so high where more
32:14
information is not good, then I'll cut it short
32:17
and I'll be like, it's going to be okay, we're
32:19
going to do this, we're going to do this, and
32:20
I'll just work through the process. So it depends
32:22
on what their level is. And each person has a
32:25
different thing that they do, the way they live
32:27
their life. For some people, more information
32:30
makes them... more comfortable because they have
32:33
the information and here's a here to here to
32:35
here and they can play now and vice versa but
32:38
for the other person so it really depends on
32:40
the scenario um i started out last night with
32:43
a process and it made the it helped i felt like
32:47
it helped the bottom like okay here's what we're
32:49
going to do and here's the thing and okay all
32:51
right now let's do this thing let's do this thing
32:53
and another person was like oh but like this
32:55
like this i'm like this i was like all right
32:57
sure we can do that you know that never got there
32:59
because the this scene changed and we were moving
33:03
and pivoting during the scene change but it was
33:06
their comfort level so stereotypically as I identify
33:12
as the top stereotypically bottoms are looking
33:16
to be led and are looking to have more of the
33:19
process catered for them you know so asking them
33:24
questions about the scene is like contrary to
33:29
what some bottoms are looking for, you know,
33:32
more of just laying out the process and having
33:34
more of a direction and then building that direction.
33:37
You say left, and you maybe go a little bit right,
33:39
but you start somewhere, and then I like to interact,
33:44
and then as the bottom is leaning the other way,
33:46
then go the other way, kind of just flow with
33:48
the process, but start off something and then
33:50
be able to say. the things that they don't like
33:53
oh you don't like this okay so we'll put that
33:54
way over there and you don't know about this
33:57
well this is not that let me try that and then
33:59
gauge that temperature and go from there so pulling
34:03
out all of the tools is fun for some people but
34:06
then it is it is not something that i do most
34:09
often because i have so many tools and it's so
34:11
many different things and you're only going to
34:13
use a certain amount of stuff going on you know
34:17
for sure So for those of us who have not been
34:22
here there, if you walk into this room, there
34:26
are several. What do you guys what's the name
34:29
you're using for? I call them instruments of
34:32
pleasure. What's the name you guys call it? For
34:36
the implements? Implements. Implements. So when
34:41
you walk in here, there's a whole table full
34:44
of different kind of floggers and other implements.
34:47
Yeah, talk to me about that. Yeah, talk to me
34:49
about that. So, again, I mostly use floggers.
34:56
So I've got different ones all the way from...
34:59
And as I said, if there's somebody that is new
35:02
to all of this, I'll go through and say, hey,
35:04
this is made out of finger floggers that are
35:06
made of lambskin. And then I've got some that
35:09
go all the way up as rough as bison. And then
35:13
I'll show them the different levels and show
35:16
them this is how I'm going to build up. But again,
35:19
as he said, I mean, this is mostly for the people
35:21
that are new to the experience, just to show
35:24
them, hey, this is really soft. And then sometimes
35:27
I'll say, I don't want to try that. Okay, you
35:29
ain't got to try it, but, you know. But so, again,
35:32
it goes all the way from light all the way up
35:34
to really coarse and stiff. And some of it can
35:39
be kind of deceiving, too, because I have a couple
35:41
pieces that are really thick. And what we say
35:45
is it's a thuddy feel to it. But it's really,
35:50
it sounds violent, but it's not violent. It's
35:54
a... big, strong, heavy sound. And with the one,
36:00
I think it's made out of bison or buffalo. And
36:04
it's really thick and heavy. So when I hit, I
36:09
mean, you hear, bam! It's a big, heavy sound.
36:12
And sometimes when I hit them, when I strike
36:16
them, you'll see their whole body jump forward.
36:19
But then they're like, oh, I kind of like that.
36:21
It's a different feeling. And then the ones that
36:23
are smaller, they're more stingy. And, you know,
36:30
just the different feelings of them. But then
36:32
I've got one over there. It's kind of deceptive.
36:36
So I try to tell people, I try to keep my eye
36:38
on them because it's made out of like a paracord.
36:41
But in the middle, there's chain. So you get
36:45
people that grab it and start swinging. I'm like,
36:47
hey, hey, calm down. Why would you do it? And
36:50
then I show them, they're like, oh. So, I mean,
36:54
it's a wide range of different things. And as
36:57
Tim just said, I don't even get to use everything
37:00
on my table. You know, I have my favorite pieces,
37:03
and especially for a 10, 15 -minute session,
37:06
I'm using a bunch of, you know, mainly the same
37:08
ones. But then for cool down, I have a flogger
37:12
that's made out of rabbit fur. And that's another
37:15
one where I can hit you as hard as I want to
37:18
hit you, as hard as I could ever hit somebody.
37:21
And you'll hear it. But it's rabbit fur, and
37:24
it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt at all. And
37:28
then to calm people down, I have rabbit fur gloves
37:30
with some spikes in them, which is a lot different
37:34
sensation. And then once I get people up and
37:37
have their blood flowing and everything, I've
37:39
got a pair of chain floggers. And they're sitting
37:43
in ice. No, you didn't see it. Chain. Floggers.
37:46
Got a pair of floggers made of chain. And they're
37:49
sitting in ice. And you just rub that across
37:52
people. And like Eve said, you know, that different
37:54
sensation, man. You see people going through
37:57
all sorts of stuff. Yeah, when you've got their
37:59
body all warmed up and their skin is all red
38:02
and you can touch it and you can feel that heat.
38:05
And then you take that cold and put on there.
38:07
It is like it's a whole different experience.
38:10
Ooh, y 'all got me going. Feel that heat, too,
38:12
man. Once I get a really good session with somebody,
38:16
like 15 minutes later, you can still feel heat
38:19
coming off of their ass. It's a great feeling.
38:22
It's like you want to see them do that Tom and
38:25
Jerry cartoon where he gets on fire and just
38:27
sits on the ice and has nothing around him. Because
38:31
that ass is on fire. That butt is on fire, man.
38:35
Temperature play is so fun and deceiving. People
38:40
are like, oh! Wow. And that gasp and it's everything
38:45
to feel them and see them. See their whole body.
38:48
Yeah, I've seen it. And it is the word that you
38:53
wouldn't think you use in kink to me that is
38:56
so much there is seductive. Yes, yes. It is so
39:01
seductive. It is. My finger floggers, so I've
39:07
got floggers. Most floggers you see has a handle
39:11
on them. Mine, there's a couple that I have where
39:14
they attach through my fingers. There's a little
39:16
loop on the end, and I swing them, and I can
39:19
get to, like John Wayne with his six -shooter
39:23
swinging them through the air and doing all sorts
39:25
of stuff, you know. And I've had people comment
39:29
on how I handle the floggers and do that. It
39:33
is rhythmic, and people love and enjoy watching
39:37
me work like that. Yeah, yeah, trust me. I've
39:40
seen people in the audience, and, you know, you
39:43
hear people whispering to each other, and they're
39:45
like, oh, my goodness. It sounds like it's a
39:48
journey. It sounds like you're taking them, and,
39:52
you know, the audience can't see, but, you know,
39:54
from a low point to a much higher point. And
39:57
it seems to me that you guys, after... the experience
40:01
that you have, you start knowing where to take
40:04
them to get to the next level. Yes. Right. And
40:07
that's about reading body language. That's about
40:09
reading the person. How does the couple come
40:12
involved? How does this whole, let's say a, a,
40:15
a male female come in and the, and the, and the
40:17
females in the bottom position and the husband's
40:21
a cuck or a stag and he wants to see his significant
40:23
other go through this. Are you interacting with
40:26
him as well and kind of seeing what he wants
40:29
to see? Or is it all really about the person
40:32
that you're? Me personally, it's about me and
40:35
that person who I'm flogging. Because, again,
40:38
if I'm paying attention to something else, I
40:41
may miss a body clue. That, you know, I'm flogging
40:44
her and she may react and I miss it now because
40:48
I'm paying attention to him. Now, what I have
40:50
done is I flog people and have their significant
40:54
other sit in front of them and watch. And I actually
40:57
had one couple. They I flogged her and she got
41:01
so turned on and he came up to me the next day.
41:04
He sat there and watched her, watched her body
41:07
reaction, watched her face. And they. started
41:10
holding hands and they connected and he came
41:13
down the next morning he was like man thank you
41:14
so much for that we went upstairs and we fucked
41:17
like crazy it was it was unreal he said thank
41:22
you so much for that so i've done that to where
41:25
you know um they've connected but i haven't really
41:30
interacted with that person because my focus
41:33
and I tune out everything that's around. I have
41:37
to be locked in to her. I have a girlfriend of
41:41
mine though that he, when she comes in and he
41:43
flogs her, she wants me to sit there in front
41:47
of her and hold her hand and rub her face. But
41:49
then she also does it for me when he's flogging
41:52
me. And, you know, to, to get that, there's times
41:55
that I need that, you know, that connection with
41:57
somebody else there too. So it's, it's a different,
42:02
it's a different connection, you know, when you
42:05
need somebody there, especially with him, because,
42:08
you know, he, he can take me through. All sorts
42:11
of emotions, you know. And again, he still needs
42:15
to be reading me. And to have somebody there
42:18
for the other part of it that I need is always
42:20
nice. For me, it depends. Because, for example,
42:25
last night, I have a lot of couples that will
42:28
come in and the husband just wants to watch me
42:30
vlog or do whatever it is that I'm going to do.
42:34
He just wants to watch me do it to her. And that's
42:37
the turn on for him. You know, beautiful woman
42:41
doing all of these really sensual, like naughty
42:44
things to his wife or his partner. And he's just
42:47
sitting there watching from like the sideline,
42:49
kind of peeping on the corner and just doing
42:52
his thing, you know. And then there are some
42:55
couples that I'll be like, hey, did you want
42:57
to be a part of this? Like I can give you a certain
43:00
instruction and this will be your post while
43:03
we're playing. And so there is a couple that
43:06
I have in mind right now. Every time that I work
43:10
her on a station on one of the benches, I'll
43:13
tell her husband, hey, I want you to come up
43:15
here and I want you to say some nasty, dirty
43:17
stuff to her. And I want you to pull her hair
43:20
when you think you should be pulling her hair.
43:22
And I want you to put a hand around her throat,
43:24
but firm every once in a while. And I'll see
43:28
them up there and I'll kind of listen to what's
43:29
going on and I'll see what's happening and I'll
43:31
flow off of whatever is going on with him. And
43:34
what he's doing to her and making sure that he's
43:36
turning her on and he's not turning her off.
43:39
Because that's something that I have to watch
43:40
out for, too. Like, I'm here to give you pleasure,
43:42
baby. Pleasure is our birthright. So I want to
43:45
be able to give that to you. And sometimes it
43:47
will depend. Some husbands want to. Some husbands
43:49
don't. Some husbands don't even know that they
43:52
want to. So it really just depends. I love that.
43:56
I love that. So you guys are looking at how they're.
44:01
like vibing with each other as a couple you're
44:03
looking at how you know their experience level
44:07
right how much they know you're looking at body
44:10
language you're looking at all those things to
44:12
kind of see where i can get that where they're
44:14
starting at and how i can get them to where i
44:16
want them to be talk to me about subspace so
44:19
i i have to admit i think it's something that
44:22
i don't understand um so In Shibari, subspace,
44:30
a lot of times, they're almost there when you
44:34
start restraining them. And it's a long process.
44:39
But it seems to me that impact play and other
44:41
things like that, there's a point of subspace.
44:44
But I'm probably getting ahead of myself. So
44:46
talk to me about subspace. What is it to you?
44:49
And describe the feeling, you know, that when
44:52
you're in subspace, what is it and how does it
44:55
feel to be in that? I don't know, thinking, state
44:59
of being? I don't know. I'm not thinking. I'm
45:03
not. I mean, when I'm in subspace, and especially
45:07
with him, not really so much here. I mean, it's
45:11
happened in the dungeon here a time or two. But
45:16
for me, like, I'm not, I don't hear other people
45:20
around me. I don't even hear the music anymore.
45:23
And, you know, there's always music in here.
45:24
I don't. I don't feel, you know, with your body,
45:29
you can feel things moving around you and coming.
45:31
I don't feel anything except him and where he's
45:35
at. So I am totally not thinking. It is all just
45:40
feeling. It is what I'm feeling at that point.
45:42
And so then, you know, when he does bring me
45:45
down, I will, my whole body will shake. I mean,
45:50
there's been times I get off the bench and I
45:53
have to be laid down on a table or on the floor
45:56
and covered up. That's aftercare, right? Yes,
45:58
and covered up and brought water because it takes
46:03
me some time to learn, like, regain my bearings
46:06
of where I am. So, yeah, I'm not thinking when
46:10
I'm in subspace. It's all about what I'm feeling.
46:13
It's a euphoric state. You know, you just...
46:18
I don't know if I've not experienced a subspace.
46:21
I mean, we have a top space, but I mean, it's
46:24
kind of like consciousness. I'm being unconscious
46:28
while you're conscious. Oh, damn. I mean, I mean,
46:33
we've got one other philosopher. We've all, we've
46:39
all kind of, yeah, we've all kind of had some
46:42
sort of subspace where you're, like I said, you're
46:44
consciously unconscious. I mean, Eve probably
46:48
could explain it a little bit better, but I think
46:51
you're conscious of things that are around you,
46:55
but you kind of lose control of things. And you
46:59
sense things, but it's like you just lose, not
47:05
control, but it's harder for you to control your
47:10
being because you have this state of euphorism.
47:15
That's a word. State of euphoria. Yeah, because
47:18
for me to be moved from the bench to the table,
47:22
I can't do that on my own. Yeah, you get them.
47:25
They get deer -legged, man. I can't take myself
47:28
from one point to another. There have been times
47:32
they hand me water, and it's just like, I can't.
47:35
Hands are shaking and everything. It's definitely
47:39
a body high. uh from the bottom perspective subspace
47:43
is definitely a body high top space is a little
47:45
different um subspace is you know you're you're
47:51
literally floating that's why we call it space
47:53
because it's like you're floating through space
47:56
and you're just like this being and you're there
47:58
and i know that that sounds real metaphysical
48:00
and weird but it's true because you're out there
48:03
you're floating Yes, you get deer legs. That's
48:06
why, you know, we'll take people off of these
48:08
benches and we help them into a seat because
48:10
they typically cannot stand. And what we do here
48:15
is really just little demos. You know, 10, 15
48:19
minutes. We're giving them these feelings so
48:22
quickly. And then we're setting them off into
48:24
the playrooms. Go do something fun. Go do something
48:28
nasty. Yeah. You know, it's literally like being
48:33
in a really soft hammock for a little while and
48:37
your body just feels real good. You know, you
48:39
feel the heat on your ass or you feel it wherever
48:41
it is that you're feeling it. You still sometimes
48:44
feel the tingles on your skin from whatever it
48:46
was that they were using. You know, temperature
48:48
play, all of that stuff. And it's just a really
48:52
nice meditative almost state. Nice. Well, we're
48:57
coming up on time here. Is there anything I didn't
49:00
cover you guys want to talk about or, you know,
49:03
experiences that you like to see when you guys
49:05
are in here? I mean, the only thing I like, again,
49:11
I like seeing people turned on to the craft.
49:13
You know, I love it when someone new comes in.
49:16
I've had people pull me over in the pool or outside,
49:20
say, I want to try it. I want to come in. You
49:22
know, just come in. I love. And again, this is
49:25
part of the reason why I don't do heavy impact
49:27
because people already have a sense that this
49:31
is going to be painful. It's going to hurt. And
49:33
I love turning them on to where they say, wow,
49:36
it doesn't hurt. It's this. I kind of like this.
49:40
You know, I like how it felt. And then I'm trying
49:44
to describe it. It's it's a good feeling to have
49:47
people turned on to this and have them do a 180
49:49
from. No, there was a girl. several years ago
49:54
who I went to a house party of a friend of mine
49:57
and she saw me with the floggers and she goes,
50:00
you stay away from me. And she saw me flog some
50:06
people. She saw me flog some people at the end
50:09
of the night. She goes, she looks, she goes,
50:11
Hey, come here. And we were staying in the same
50:21
hotel. And that night, I went over to her room
50:23
and flogged her. We had a great time, but she
50:26
was turned on by it after that. That is what
50:30
I love more than anything, to see people turned
50:33
on. to a new kink that they may not have known
50:36
that they liked or, you know, or changing a person's
50:40
opinion where, you know, they've had a bad experience.
50:43
They were somewhere and somebody walked up to
50:45
them and fire out. They get hit with something,
50:48
you know, and they're like, I didn't like that.
50:50
I'm like, well, he never should have done that
50:51
to you. He was wrong for doing that. You know,
50:54
so that is what I love more than anything is
50:57
turning people on to. to this new experience
51:02
and then them gaining i've had people text me
51:05
hey man i need this where can i get a couple
51:07
floggers where would you recommend i get something
51:09
like that that is what i like more than almost
51:12
anything yeah i agree with that that's i think
51:16
that's mostly what we're all after at that point
51:18
is just being able to like i said i want to manipulate
51:21
somebody's body and be like oh you didn't know
51:23
you were gonna like that did you i love that
51:26
i love that um and if i was going to give anybody
51:28
advice Just like I was saying to Reed, try anything
51:32
twice. Try everything twice. Try it once. You're
51:36
still scared. You don't know what to expect.
51:38
Now, after you've tried it once, there are some
51:41
things that you're going to be like, nah, I'm
51:42
never going to do needles. Don't come over here
51:44
with that. I'm good. But there are some things
51:47
that you'll be like, you know what? That wasn't
51:48
so bad. And now you know what to expect. And
51:52
maybe with a different person, it'll be even
51:53
better. So that's why, you know, there are certain
51:55
things I don't like, but I'd be willing to try
51:57
it with certain people. Just because maybe they
52:00
do it different. Like me. I do it different.
52:04
So what I always tell people, even in the vanilla
52:07
world, try anything twice. Well, and I think
52:10
we said yesterday in our seminar, somebody asked,
52:13
what advice would you give somebody walking in
52:17
to this dungeon for the first time? And my biggest
52:21
thing is come in with an open mind. Be curious.
52:24
Because, like I said, even if you're just stepping
52:27
in the door so you can see what this room looks
52:29
like at night when the lights are all off and
52:32
the music's on and you can see what people are
52:33
coming and doing in here. And then maybe you
52:36
come back again and you're seeing different scenes
52:38
going on in here. So each time you're coming
52:40
through, you're getting a little bit more of
52:42
information. And if you come into this with an
52:44
open mind of, let me just see what it's about,
52:47
then you have room to go somewhere with that.
52:51
Whereas if you come in to this room like, oh,
52:54
I'm never going to do this, but I need to go
52:55
see what this looks like. You kind of limit yourself
52:59
in the space that you have to go from that point.
53:01
Right. So just kind of open yourself up and,
53:05
you know, be open and let a kind of experience
53:07
come your way and see where it takes you. Did
53:10
you guys want to give your social media or handles
53:13
or how can they get in touch with you if they
53:15
want to ask you any questions or see what kind
53:17
of flogger they want to buy or anything like
53:19
that? I am almost on everything. Missed the East
53:23
Coast. M -I -S -S -D -A, East Coast. So, Missed
53:28
the East Coast. On, again, almost every site
53:31
that I can think of, that's where you can find
53:34
me. Nice. And on every site that I'm on, I am
53:37
Barbell Vixen. So, Barbell like you would pick
53:40
up in a gym, and then Vixen with three X's. Nice.
53:43
Nice. And I am Beloved Eve everywhere. So, SDC
53:48
and Telegram. Just tell me how you got my information
53:52
so I don't think that you're a creep. Because
53:55
I'd be like, who are you? What do you want? Go
54:00
away. Well, thank you guys for being on the show.
54:04
We appreciate it. I know all of you guys, and
54:07
you guys are just amazing people. You know, like
54:11
I said, when I first met Mr. East Coast, I was
54:14
like, who the fuck is this dude? But, you know,
54:19
cool people, easy to talk to, you know, friendly,
54:23
but don't play. And that's the kind of people
54:27
I like. So, you know, again, this is we're coming
54:31
from Splash Mocha, Fort Lauderdale, 2025. You
54:35
know, so if you want to go to I think it is SplashMocha
54:38
.com if you want any information there. They're
54:40
here every one of their locations to have the
54:43
dungeon, right? Yes. So, you know, look online.
54:47
You can always, if you end up talking to Tina,
54:50
ask her questions and she'll, you know, tell
54:53
you what she knows. And then there's always things
54:57
in the emails and the website if you want any
54:59
information. So with that, we're just going to,
55:02
you know, get it going. Ended here, and thanks
55:06
for all the audience here. Thanks for all the
55:08
questions you guys had, and I look forward to
55:11
seeing you guys in the next one. We'll be in
55:13
Houston, but I think the next one is... Oh, yeah,
55:18
so we'll be there. We'll see y 'all. I don't
55:22
have Brian here because he usually has this really
55:25
nice. Yeah, so anyway, what we're going to do
55:27
is the ladies do this. I ain't doing that. I'm
55:29
just going to say I'm out of here, y 'all, and
55:30
have a good time.