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Speaker 1: Hi again, everybody. I'm Dan Hoard, and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast, the Welcome to My House. In addition,
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Speaker 1: as the Bengals return to the jungle and look to
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Speaker 1: knock off one of the best teams in the AFC,
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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars. Coming up, no member of the national
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Speaker 1: media has praised the Bengals more in the offseason than
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Speaker 1: my friend and fellow Syracuse grad Adam Schein. He'll tell
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Speaker 1: us why. I'll go one-on-one with Amarius Mims, who has
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Speaker 1: been ridiculously dominant through the first three weeks. And in
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Speaker 1: this week's Know the Foe segment, we'll check in with
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Speaker 1: Mark Long, who covers the Jaguars for the Associated Press.
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Speaker 1: since internet handyman help. I am the world's least handy person.
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Speaker 1: Replacing a light bulb is about the extent of my
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Speaker 1: fix-it skills. My sister Kim, on the other hand, can
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Speaker 1: fix anything, and she gave me the following advice. Just
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Speaker 1: look it up on the internet. There are videos and
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Speaker 1: or detailed instructions to fix just about anything. Recently, our
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Speaker 1: microwave has been acting up, and the unplug it and
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Speaker 1: then plug it in technique did not do the trick.
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Speaker 1: It's old, so my first instinct was, well, it's time
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Speaker 1: to buy a new one. But then, I decided to
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Speaker 1: follow my sister's advice. I typed in a search for
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Speaker 1: the brand name and explained the problem, and without getting
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Speaker 1: into the details, it worked. At least for now. To
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Speaker 1: partially quote Neil Armstrong, it was one small step for man. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's get to my first guest. No member of the
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Speaker 1: national media has been more bullish on the Bengals in
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Speaker 1: recent months than Adam Schein, who has been sharing his
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Speaker 1: praise for Cincinnati on many outlets. He works for CBS Sports.
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Speaker 1: host a daily show on Sirius XM Radio, and host
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Speaker 1: another daily show on YouTube. He carved out some time
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Speaker 1: in his busy schedule to talk to me. Adam, the
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Speaker 1: term you have used is obsessed. That is a strong word.
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Speaker 1: Why have you been obsessed by the Cincinnati Bengals?
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Speaker 2: I got to tell you, when you quoted me back
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Speaker 2: to me, Dan, I just got the chills. So, you know,
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Speaker 2: I enjoy hearing myself quoted back. Look, first of all,
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Speaker 2: I love great teams, great organizations. I love great fan bases.
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Speaker 2: And I like when teams go all in to win.
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Speaker 2: And that might sound in a lot of ways like
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Speaker 2: Captain Obvious, but, you know, I think for Cincinnati and,
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Speaker 2: you know, obviously I'm doing national shows and a daily show,
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Speaker 2: of course, you know, for Sirius XM on Shine On Sports,
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Speaker 2: on Mad Dog Sports Radio, but I'm also in New York.
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Speaker 2: And so I follow, obviously, Dexter Lawrence. I have followed him.
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Speaker 2: And I have felt like he has been underappreciated as
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Speaker 2: one of the true top four defensive tackles in the
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Speaker 2: NFL since he's been in the league. And when I
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Speaker 2: say four, it's not just a random number. I vote
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Speaker 2: for the Associated Press Awards. And he has, on three
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Speaker 2: different occasions, been on my first or second team, all pro.
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Speaker 2: So that means I consider him a top four in
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Speaker 2: a certain year defensive tackle. So I just thought the
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Speaker 2: Bengals offseason was so smart and so calculated. And I
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Speaker 2: thought they did an unbelievable job. And I'm such a
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Speaker 2: big Dexter Lawrence fan. And listen, giving up a first
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Speaker 2: round pick to me was nothing because I know who
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Speaker 2: he is. And I loved the offseason even before that
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Speaker 2: on defense. And look, I want to see all the
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Speaker 2: great quarterbacks win. Like, I just think when you get stamped,
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Speaker 2: it changes the whole thing in the court of public
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Speaker 2: opinion or what I do for a living. I want
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Speaker 2: to see Lamar win. I want to see Josh Allen win.
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Speaker 2: I want to see Joe Burrow win. And these guys
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Speaker 2: are playing in the Patrick Mahomes era. And that just
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Speaker 2: stinks to me when you start talking about quarterback rankings
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Speaker 2: and legacy, and we all get wrapped up. You know,
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Speaker 2: every year I interview Dan Marino, it's like, Dan, nice career.
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Speaker 2: Did you win a Super Bowl? No, I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to say that to Dan Marino. Like, I know how
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Speaker 2: amazing he was. But when you win one, it changes everything.
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Speaker 2: And I just think the Bengals, you know, they take
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Speaker 2: grief sometimes when it's not deserved. You know, and the
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Speaker 2: year before when they signed Higgins and signed Chase, it was...
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Speaker 2: it was all the right things and what an organization
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Speaker 2: does when you have that kind of quarterback. And you know,
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Speaker 2: what's what the Colts did with Peyton Manning for all
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Speaker 2: those years with Harrison and Wayne, I want this thing
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Speaker 2: to work. And I think the world of Zach Taylor,
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Speaker 2: I think he's, he's a really strong coach and I
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Speaker 2: like the coaching staff and there's been some changes and change,
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Speaker 2: not for the sake of change for the right moves
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Speaker 2: to try to win a championship. So I, yeah, I'm
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Speaker 2: obsessed with the approach. And listen, I was really, you know,
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Speaker 2: touting my obsession and, you know, the Bengals' success after
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Speaker 2: the first two weeks. And here's the thing, you know,
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Speaker 2: after week three and we're chatting right after, I still
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Speaker 2: feel the same way because I'm such a believer in
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Speaker 2: law of averages in the NFL and division games and
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Speaker 2: road games. And I mean, you were there calling it.
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Speaker 2: That game was such a banger. What a terrific sporting event.
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Speaker 2: And Look, I have such respect for the Steelers, and
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Speaker 2: I picked the Steelers to the playoffs. I thought they
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Speaker 2: would be really good this year. So everything that I
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Speaker 2: thought about the Bengals, Dan, I'm still obsessed.
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Speaker 1: Adam, when Joe Burrow compared the Bengals to the 2019
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Speaker 1: LSU team that won the national championship and averaged nearly
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Speaker 1: 50 points a game, what was your reaction?
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Speaker 2: So I'll tell you my reaction. I honestly thought that
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Speaker 2: it was genuinely tremendous and genuinely terrific. And I like
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Speaker 2: when you have players who are confident, and I like
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Speaker 2: when you have players who are braggadocious, and I like
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Speaker 2: when you have a leader on a football team who
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Speaker 2: raises the bar. There's nothing that infuriates me more than, oh,
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Speaker 2: this is a big year for Joe Burrow. He's going
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Speaker 2: to want to leave Cincinnati. leaves Cincinnati, he loves Cincinnati.
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Speaker 2: There's literally no evidence of anything to the contrary. He's
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Speaker 2: helping to raise the bar in wanting to win a
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Speaker 2: championship in Cincinnati. So let's even say that that was
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Speaker 2: slightly subject to hyperbole.
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Speaker 1: Good.
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Speaker 2: That's what Joe thinks. That's what he wants. Like, I
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Speaker 2: consider that LSU offense to be the greatest offense in
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Speaker 2: the history of college football. You have Jamar Chase. You
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Speaker 2: have Tee Higgins. It's the best one-two punch that we've
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Speaker 2: seen in a long time at the wide receiver position.
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Speaker 2: The offense is great. The offensive line is underrated and
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Speaker 2: really good. Brown can run the football. You have Juseki
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Speaker 2: at tight end. I just love everything about what he said,
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Speaker 2: how it's been backed up, and I... I love that
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Speaker 2: he has a standard and he holds himself accountable and
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Speaker 2: the team accountable. And Dan, if the Bengals have swagger,
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Speaker 2: if the Bengals have attitude, if people on the outside
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Speaker 2: love them or loathe them, I think that's kind of
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Speaker 2: good for Cincinnati. It kind of fits Joe Burrow, who
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Speaker 2: he is, Joe Cool. I thought the world of those comments.
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Speaker 1: The Bengals face the 2-1 Jaguars this week. They're coming
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Speaker 1: off a 35-6 blowout win over the Patriots going back
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Speaker 1: to last year. They're 11-3 in their last 14 games.
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Speaker 1: How impressed are you with Jacksonville? And what's Cincinnati going
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Speaker 1: to have to do to beat them this week?
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Speaker 2: So, I think this is arguably the game of the
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Speaker 2: week in the NFL. Like, I think this is, you know,
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Speaker 2: as cliche as it sounds, you know, potential playoff matchup.
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Speaker 2: Jacksonville's a terrific team. Like, I just think that they
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Speaker 2: are so well coached. I think the defense is very underrated.
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Speaker 2: I think they're big, they're physical. They've got, you know,
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Speaker 2: Parker Washington has really emerged legit number one wide receiver.
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Speaker 2: I think the world of Trevor Lawrence and who he's become.
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Speaker 2: Having said that, I just think the Bengals are better. Like,
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Speaker 2: what do they need to do? I think it's actually,
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Speaker 2: let me flip it for you. What do the Jags
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Speaker 2: need to do to beat the Bengals? Like that defense
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Speaker 2: for Jacksonville is really good. Do they have the corners
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Speaker 2: to deal with Chase and Higgins? I'm skeptical on that.
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Speaker 2: You know, can they rush the passer and get to Joe?
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Speaker 2: Pass rush is good. I don't necessarily think it's elite.
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Speaker 2: I still very, and listen, I watched so much of
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Speaker 2: that game doing the updates for the NFL and CBS.
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Speaker 2: I was really locked in to the Bengals and the Steelers.
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Speaker 2: You know, everything that I said about Dexter Lawrence and
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Speaker 2: Allen and the defense, it still stands like it wasn't
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Speaker 2: the best game we've seen on defense. I expect them
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Speaker 2: to play more like they did week one. week two.
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Speaker 2: So I think that everything that you can say about Jacksonville,
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Speaker 2: you would say about Cincinnati, but the Bengals are better
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Speaker 2: in every face. And I mean that as a compliment
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Speaker 2: to the Jacks. Like my preseason pick, I had Bill's
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Speaker 2: Bengals on championship Sunday. So that's what I'm looking for
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Speaker 2: week in, week out. Look, and by the way, if
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Speaker 2: the Bengals lose this game, it's not a quote-unquote bad loss. Like,
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Speaker 2: I think Jacksonville's a playoff team and a really good team,
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Speaker 2: but I expect to see the Bengals win because I
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Speaker 2: think if you go through it, offense, defense, want to
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Speaker 2: see Cincy clean up the special teams from what transpired
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Speaker 2: last week against Pittsburgh, evidence says that they will. I
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Speaker 2: think that Cincinnati is just better than Jacksonville in every phase.
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Speaker 1: Final question for my friend Adam Schein. When you are
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Speaker 1: doing the in-game highlights for CBS, have you come to
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Speaker 1: expect the impossible from Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins?
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Speaker 2: You know what's crazy about it? When we're doing the updates,
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Speaker 2: and like we try to be, I'll take you and
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Speaker 2: your viewers, Dan, kind of like behind the scenes a
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Speaker 2: little bit, right? Every update's calculated. Like if we're going
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Speaker 2: to break into your game, there has to be a reason, right?
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Speaker 2: It's in the division. It's in the conference. You know,
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Speaker 2: if it's a borough game, hey, let me break in
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Speaker 2: with Patrick Mahomes or Lamar or Josh Allen, like someone
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Speaker 2: that Bengals fans, you know, feel something about, right? You know,
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Speaker 2: you love them, you hate them, you respect them, you
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Speaker 2: want to beat them, whatever it is. And to me,
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Speaker 2: the other one is eye candy, where, you know, Jameer
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Speaker 2: Gibbs has this incredible run. I want to deliver it
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Speaker 2: to people no matter what the game is. I don't
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Speaker 2: need overlap for Lions-Jets. Here's Jameer Gibbs. And to me,
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Speaker 2: that's what the Bengals have become, where it's like, Oh,
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Speaker 2: my God. Week two. I mean, Jamar did what with
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Speaker 2: his feet? That's going to be a wheel. We're getting
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Speaker 2: that to everyone. T. Higgins was, you know, sitting on
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Speaker 2: the ground. What was that? I mean, we need to
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Speaker 2: get that to everybody. I mean, it's kind of amazing
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Speaker 2: when you look at it and you think about it. Like,
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Speaker 2: every single week, it's like a different highlight, and it's
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Speaker 2: a different OMG wow moment. I can't believe the Cincinnati
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Speaker 2: Bengals just did that.
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Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 2: I love on Mondays for radio purposes, listening to your
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Speaker 2: calls and the excitement and the precision on those touchdowns
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Speaker 2: and how you're just on it because man, I'm just
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Speaker 2: every single week. It's like, I can't believe Joe just
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Speaker 2: made that throw. I can't believe T just did that.
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Speaker 2: How the heck did Jamar chase get his feet in
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Speaker 2: bounds and, you know, do what he just did and
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Speaker 2: tap dance. I mean, and watching Jamar to me, It's priceless. Like,
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Speaker 2: I just think the world of him, and he's such
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Speaker 2: a special player. But I think in a lot of ways, Dan, T.
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Speaker 2: Higgins is the most underrated player in the entire league.
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Speaker 2: He's a legit number one receiver. I think he's a
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Speaker 2: top 15, top 20 receiver. Maybe overshadowed, obviously, because, you know,
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Speaker 2: we're dealing with DeMar Chase on the other side, but
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Speaker 2: I just think These highlights are incredible, and for me,
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Speaker 2: when I have an opportunity to send America a burrow
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Speaker 2: to chase Sir Higgins' highlight, it's fun. I'll tell you,
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Speaker 2: just like there were so many things going on last
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Speaker 2: week in week three, I don't even think we did
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Speaker 2: the Jaceki highlight because we kept waiting for the next one. Like,
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Speaker 2: something else was going to happen in that game, and
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Speaker 2: I felt bad we just couldn't get it to people,
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Speaker 2: but it's amazing when it comes to these burrow highlights.
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Speaker 2: I mean... It's so much fun to watch.
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Speaker 1: He's on CBS every weekend. He's got a daily show
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Speaker 1: on Sirius XM. He's got another daily show on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: And he was nice enough to fit us in this week.
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Speaker 3: Adam, you're the best.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the show.
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Speaker 2: Dan, for you and for the Bengal fans, anything.
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Speaker 3: You know that.
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Speaker 1: I've mentioned this before when Adam was on the podcast,
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Speaker 1: but I'll tell the story again. After graduating from Syracuse,
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Speaker 1: I worked there for several years in radio and TV.
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Speaker 1: And after moving to Cincinnati, my friends back in the
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Speaker 1: queue started telling me about a young sports talk host
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Speaker 1: right out of SU that was going to make it big.
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Speaker 1: He went by Prime Time Shine, and they were right.
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Speaker 1: Adam has become a star, and I couldn't be happier
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Speaker 1: for him. He's one of my favorite people in the business.
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Speaker 1: One of the unfortunate things about last week's loss to
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Speaker 1: the Steelers is that the end result took the shine
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Speaker 1: off a great performance by the offensive line. Pittsburgh's only
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Speaker 1: sack all day came on Cincinnati's final offensive play when
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Speaker 1: Derek Harmon forced a Joe Burrow fumble that Pittsburgh recovered
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Speaker 1: to seal the win. Dalton Reisner surrendered the sack.
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Speaker 4: You got to be at your best when your best
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Speaker 4: is required and truth be told in the NFL you
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Speaker 4: know your best is required every single snap and you're
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Speaker 4: on a microscope and you're on blast every single play
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Speaker 4: but it's crucial points like yesterday where You know, I
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Speaker 4: was telling my wife last night, you know, I played
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Speaker 4: a great football game all day. I'm watching film today.
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Speaker 4: And dear gosh, I did all these great things. But
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Speaker 4: on the one play where in my mind it mattered
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Speaker 4: the most is when I got to be at my
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Speaker 4: best and I wasn't.
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Speaker 2: So that's football.
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Speaker 3: That's life.
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Speaker 4: And it's tough and it teaches you and it humbles you.
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to make excuses about it. I'm not
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Speaker 4: going to try to make it sound better. I gave
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Speaker 4: up a sack and resulted in being a fumble and
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Speaker 4: resulted in the game being over.
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Speaker 3: So that sucks. It's a tough.
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Speaker 4: Pill to swallow, but I'm going to swallow it, be
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Speaker 4: a man about it, go back to the drawing board,
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Speaker 4: continue to work, and good news is we're 2-1 with
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Speaker 4: a lot of opportunity in front of us.
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Speaker 2: T.J.
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Speaker 1: Watt did not have a single pressure in the game
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Speaker 1: in 29 pass rushing opportunities. According to reporter Jay Morrison,
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Speaker 1: it was just the sixth time in Watt's career that
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Speaker 1: he did not record a single pressure. Watt was primarily
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Speaker 1: matched up against Amarius Mims, who is playing at a
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl level through three weeks. Here's offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher.
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Speaker 1: Amarius has premier ability.
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Speaker 2: He's got rare qualities.
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Speaker 5: Rare qualities with a developing maturity and confidence and sense of,
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Speaker 5: I am this guy. That's where you can find some
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Speaker 5: special players. Because as a A lot of really talented people,
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Speaker 5: but there's a fraction of the players in this league
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Speaker 5: that truly couldn't be special.
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Speaker 1: And he's in that fraction. I sat down for an
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Speaker 1: in-depth conversation with Amarius this week. What are you proudest
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Speaker 1: of when it comes to your performance in the first
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Speaker 1: three games?
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Speaker 6: I would say consistency. That's what I pride myself on lately.
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Speaker 6: And this year, honestly, I just told myself I need
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Speaker 6: to be more consistent for this team and for myself. And,
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Speaker 6: you know, I knew, like I said, Coach Pitch and
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Speaker 6: Zach challenged me before the season started and said, big
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Speaker 6: part of this offense is going to be ran through you,
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Speaker 6: and that's just patch protecting. So I just feel like
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Speaker 6: I just took that and I just ran with it.
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Speaker 6: And I had to just hone in on the small
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Speaker 6: stuff and technique things on the field and then just
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Speaker 6: realizing in my mind that, you know, they're counting on
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Speaker 6: me to protect and protect at a high level. And
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Speaker 6: I just feel like right now it's been solid, but
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Speaker 6: I just got to keep doing it throughout the season.
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Speaker 1: Reuben Bain, Will Anderson, TJ Watt. Is your confidence growing?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been growing since camp, though. Like I said,
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Speaker 6: it started way before those guys. I knew really before
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Speaker 6: the season even started that, you know, I could tell
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Speaker 6: my game was taking a step forward, and that's just
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Speaker 6: because I've just been taking, you know, time off the
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Speaker 6: field to, like, really, like, reflect and think, like, what
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Speaker 6: I really want in my football career, and that's to be, like,
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Speaker 6: one of the top tacklers. And I feel like for
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Speaker 6: me to do that, I have to just take a step,
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Speaker 6: you know, forward off the field, of course, and on
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Speaker 6: the field.
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Speaker 3: And I feel like slowly I've been doing that.
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Speaker 1: In April, I asked your coach, offensive line coach Scott Peters,
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Speaker 1: what's next for Amarius Mims? He said the following, total domination,
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Speaker 1: a license to kill, which I loved.
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Speaker 3: That sounds right.
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Speaker 1: Have you taken that to heart?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have, man.
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Speaker 6: Like I said, me and Scott talk a lot, whether
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Speaker 6: we're in practice, the meeting rooms, or even text outside
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Speaker 6: of practice and stuff like that. He's always just reminding
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Speaker 6: me of those things you just said and just realizing, like,
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Speaker 6: you know, that, just because you're playing solid doesn't mean
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Speaker 6: like your game is like ends there. Like I still
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Speaker 6: have room to grow and he knows that he keeps
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Speaker 6: pushing me day in and day out. So it'll help
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Speaker 6: me in the long run.
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Speaker 1: He also said that he gave you this challenge. You've
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Speaker 1: got to be greedy about how good you can be
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Speaker 1: because there are very few humans walking planet earth that
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Speaker 1: have your talent. So when he says you've got to
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Speaker 1: be greedy, what does that mean to you?
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Speaker 6: As a big guy, sometimes I can make winning look easy. And, um,
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Speaker 6: People say, like, it doesn't look like I'm trying.
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Speaker 3: I am trying.
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Speaker 6: It's just it may not be to what someone who
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Speaker 6: is a little smaller than me's level of trying is.
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Speaker 6: But he's just really, like, meaning by that is just
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Speaker 6: how much more do you have left in the tank? Like,
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Speaker 6: can you turn this excellent pass pro game into an
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Speaker 6: excellent pass pro game and then a.
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Speaker 3: Couple of knockdowns and bury it at the end? That's
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Speaker 3: basically what he's saying.
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Speaker 1: You do make it look easy at times, and as
19:33
Speaker 1: you just acknowledged, it's anything but. You're trying to prevent
19:37
Speaker 1: some of the best athletes in the world from getting
19:39
Speaker 1: to your quarterback. How do you take it, though, when
19:41
Speaker 1: people say you make it look easy? Do you take
19:43
Speaker 1: that as a compliment, or do you want to push
19:45
Speaker 1: back and say, it's not easy?
19:47
Speaker 6: I mean, they know it's not easy. If it was easy,
19:49
Speaker 6: it would be. would be a lot of good tacklers
19:51
Speaker 6: in this NFL. There would be a lot of people
19:53
Speaker 6: in this NFL playing if the NFL was easy.
19:56
Speaker 3: Nothing about it is easy.
19:57
Speaker 6: It's just, like I said, I'm a bigger guy, 6'8,
20:00
Speaker 6: 350-something pounds, just moving around out there, so it may
20:04
Speaker 6: seem easier to me because how strong I am and
20:06
Speaker 6: how big, and I get away with a lot of
20:07
Speaker 6: stuff sometimes, but I will say it's definitely not easy,
20:11
Speaker 6: but I don't really like to listen to when people
20:13
Speaker 6: say that, Oh, you need to do this and do that.
20:15
Speaker 6: I listened to my coaches and they tell me I
20:17
Speaker 6: need to do something.
20:17
Speaker 3: Yes, sir. Take note of it. And then I'll move on.
20:20
Speaker 1: You're two years and three games into your NFL career.
20:24
Speaker 1: What's improved the most knowledge, footwork, hand placement. If you
20:28
Speaker 1: had to pick out one thing that's gotten better, what
20:31
Speaker 1: would that thing be?
20:32
Speaker 6: I would definitely say knowledge first, just because I understand
20:35
Speaker 6: the game now way more than the normal, uh, I've
20:38
Speaker 6: been locked in on film, so I can just read tales.
20:42
Speaker 6: I can read the guy I'm playing across from. I
20:44
Speaker 6: can see what he's going to do before he do it,
20:46
Speaker 6: just off his stance and stuff like that, the tilt,
20:48
Speaker 6: how wide he is and all that good stuff. And then, too,
20:50
Speaker 6: just me just realizing, like I said, I know what
20:53
Speaker 6: I want to be in this league and just realizing
20:57
Speaker 6: just by playing average, I'm not going to get that.
20:59
Speaker 6: So I've got to go out and just show people
21:00
Speaker 6: that I can be one of the top tackles, and
21:03
Speaker 6: I'm just going to keep going week by week and
21:05
Speaker 6: trying to prove that.
21:06
Speaker 1: As Coach said, there are a few– humans walking planet
21:09
Speaker 1: Earth that have your measurables. 6'8, 350, your hand from
21:14
Speaker 1: pinky to thumb is a foot, basically. Your wingspan is
21:17
Speaker 1: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. It's 7'2. Of these physical, God-given gifts, which
21:23
Speaker 1: helps you most?
21:25
Speaker 3: I think it's my feet. I feel like it's my feet.
21:28
Speaker 6: I just feel like for a big guy, I feel
21:30
Speaker 6: like if I can get away with taking a bad
21:32
Speaker 6: set sometimes, it's not good for me. Of course, don't
21:34
Speaker 6: get me wrong, but I feel like just being agile
21:37
Speaker 6: and being able to move to be a big guy
21:38
Speaker 6: saves me a lot. So save my life. I'm on
21:41
Speaker 6: the road and that like the DN gets off the
21:43
Speaker 6: snap early. I don't really panic. I just like rely
21:46
Speaker 6: on my athletic ability to try to catch up. And then,
21:49
Speaker 6: then I go like play ball from there kind of
21:51
Speaker 6: in a sense. So I just feel like it's more
21:52
Speaker 6: so my feet and just my athletic ability other than
21:55
Speaker 6: like my measurables.
21:57
Speaker 1: I'll say your feet are great except when your shoe explodes.
22:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
22:03
Speaker 1: You and Zion Williamson, the two, Famous guys now have
22:06
Speaker 1: had shoes explode in a game. For people that heard
22:10
Speaker 1: you say that, explain exactly what happened to your shoe
22:15
Speaker 1: in the Houston game.
22:16
Speaker 6: I just remember taking a pass set, getting board rushed,
22:18
Speaker 6: and I planted down. Coach always told me to hop
22:21
Speaker 6: when I get board rushed. So I hop, hop, and
22:23
Speaker 6: I hopped that third time. I think it was my
22:25
Speaker 6: second or third time, and I felt like something just
22:27
Speaker 6: felt off. I felt like my foot was on the ground,
22:32
Speaker 6: and I looked down, and the whole side of my
22:33
Speaker 6: cleat was busted out. And I was like, Dang, like,
22:36
Speaker 6: I can't do nothing with these no more. And I
22:38
Speaker 6: was like, man, Zion got a new shoe after his
22:40
Speaker 6: little thing, didn't he? I was like, man, I might
22:42
Speaker 6: need some cleats after me, man. I'm just throwing that
22:44
Speaker 6: out there.
22:44
Speaker 3: That would be nice. You know, some big man, some
22:46
Speaker 3: O-line cleats or something. That would be nice.
22:48
Speaker 1: I think it has to happen.
22:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, man. That would be nice.
22:51
Speaker 1: So, basically, the leather ripped apart from.
22:54
Speaker 6: The– I'm talking about his, like, sole, leather, thread, shoestring, Nike, everything, cloth,
23:02
Speaker 6: every piece, man, just gone. I still got those cleats, though.
23:07
Speaker 6: I'm going to sign them and put them in a frame,
23:10
Speaker 6: I think, and keep them.
23:11
Speaker 7: Nice.
23:11
Speaker 1: That would be a good keepsake. Last week's game in
23:14
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh was a good reminder of just how brutal offensive
23:17
Speaker 1: line life is for 59 minutes plus. You guys pitched
23:22
Speaker 1: a shutout in terms of sacks. You didn't give up any.
23:24
Speaker 1: And then on the final offensive play, Pittsburgh got to
23:27
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, and it ended the game. Is that part
23:30
Speaker 1: of the job miserable?
23:32
Speaker 6: Yeah, like I said, our job's already hard, I mean,
23:34
Speaker 6: we have, I feel like, other than quarterback, and a
23:36
Speaker 6: couple other things, I feel like Ola is the hardest,
23:38
Speaker 6: because I feel like we have to protect ourselves, and
23:40
Speaker 6: protecting another guy behind us, who is, that is a franchise,
23:43
Speaker 6: as you know, so, I will say, we take pride
23:46
Speaker 6: in it, it's not an easy job, but we love it,
23:49
Speaker 6: I wouldn't want another job, like, that's why, like I said,
23:53
Speaker 6: most tackles get paid the big bucks, and that's why
23:55
Speaker 6: guards get paid the big bucks, and our center get
23:56
Speaker 6: paid the big bucks, like, you got to go out
23:58
Speaker 6: there and protect. And I felt like we did a
24:00
Speaker 6: good job. You know, mistakes happen. Sad, sad thing is
24:02
Speaker 6: like it happened at that time. But that's all we
24:07
Speaker 6: can do is, you know, learn from that mistake and
24:10
Speaker 6: we can move on as a team, regardless of who
24:12
Speaker 6: it was on. I got their back that if it
24:14
Speaker 6: was on me, they would have my back. And we
24:17
Speaker 6: just learn from those mistakes and we move on and,
24:19
Speaker 6: you know, try to prevent those mistakes from happening again.
24:22
Speaker 1: You're 23 for a few more weeks. Willie Anderson played
24:26
Speaker 1: until he was 33. Andrew Whitworth played until he was 40.
24:30
Speaker 3: Do you see.
24:30
Speaker 1: Yourself doing something like that, and what would you like
24:33
Speaker 1: to accomplish?
24:34
Speaker 6: As long as my body can hold up and I
24:37
Speaker 6: can play at a high level, I'll play this game.
24:39
Speaker 6: Once it's done, it's done. You know, I mean, of
24:42
Speaker 6: course guys will tire and come back, but that won't
24:44
Speaker 6: be me. I'm going to be a guy who's going
24:46
Speaker 6: to be here and be in the building as long
24:49
Speaker 6: as my body will let me. And I know the
24:51
Speaker 6: accolades and all that stuff, you know, I take pride
24:53
Speaker 6: in that thing, like those things, and I want those. Ultimately,
24:57
Speaker 6: I just want to win. I want to be known
24:59
Speaker 6: for a guy who comes in to work every day
25:02
Speaker 6: and just has a winning attitude. I take my one-on-ones very,
25:06
Speaker 6: very seriously. Pass, pro, run, block, and all that good stuff. Also,
25:10
Speaker 6: I just want to be a guy on the team
25:12
Speaker 6: that that guy right there wants to win.
25:15
Speaker 3: Yes, the Pro Bowls and the All-Pros, of course I
25:18
Speaker 3: want that. Who doesn't?
25:19
Speaker 6: Those are the highest accolades possible. Then you've got the
25:23
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame, of course, but I really just want
25:25
Speaker 6: to be known for a guy who really wants to win.
25:27
Speaker 6: I come from a winning background at Georgia. I really
25:29
Speaker 6: didn't really know what it was like to lose, besides
25:32
Speaker 6: whenever we lost to Alabama twice in the NCAA championship game.
25:36
Speaker 3: But that's all. I just like to win, and I
25:39
Speaker 3: know how to win.
25:41
Speaker 1: Speaking of Georgia, you face a former teammate this week.
25:44
Speaker 1: I ran down the list of great pass rushers. that
25:46
Speaker 1: you faced, and this week it's the number one overall
25:49
Speaker 1: pick in the draft from several years ago, Trayvon Walker.
25:52
Speaker 1: What did you learn from your one year as his teammate?
25:55
Speaker 6: I will say Trayvon was, like I said, a great
25:58
Speaker 6: dude to me, almost like a big brother in college
26:00
Speaker 6: because we're both from Georgia. I knew him a little
26:03
Speaker 6: bit before I got there. But Trayvon was one of
26:05
Speaker 6: the guys I would say that literally introduced me to
26:09
Speaker 6: Division I football because he was the first person to
26:12
Speaker 6: ever make me literally look at the ceiling. I remember
26:15
Speaker 6: we were doing a one-on-one pass rush, and I just remember,
26:18
Speaker 6: like I'm taking a pass at him, my foot get
26:20
Speaker 6: caught in the turf. He had a club on at
26:22
Speaker 6: the time. He put his club right here, right below
26:24
Speaker 6: my neck, and just watched me. And I just remember
26:27
Speaker 6: feet up in the air, and I remember just laying
26:28
Speaker 6: down looking at the ceiling. And I told myself, I
26:31
Speaker 6: was like, as long as you play football, never want
26:34
Speaker 6: to get comfortable with the position right here. Never want
26:36
Speaker 6: to look at the ceiling. So I will say I
26:38
Speaker 6: appreciate him for that moment. But after that, I never
26:42
Speaker 6: really ended up on the ground like that no more.
26:44
Speaker 3: Even in the league.
26:45
Speaker 6: But I will say, like I said, great player. I
26:47
Speaker 6: respect his game. And I'm pretty sure it's vice versa.
26:50
Speaker 6: We've been going to each other for a long time.
26:52
Speaker 6: Been doing it for a long time. Every offseason, like
26:54
Speaker 6: I said, we get together, chit-chatting, all that good stuff.
26:56
Speaker 6: We catch up. Like I said, we go to some
26:58
Speaker 6: games together back in Athens. But like I said, it's
27:02
Speaker 6: going to be a test this week. And I'm ready
27:04
Speaker 6: for it, man. It's going to be exciting.
27:06
Speaker 1: I'm sure you are ready for it. You have been
27:08
Speaker 1: spectacular so far this season. Continued success. Thanks for your time.
27:12
Speaker 7: Yes, sir.
27:12
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
27:14
Speaker 1: We'll take an in-depth look at the Jaguars next, but first,
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Speaker 1: it's time for this week's Know the Foe segment. As
27:41
Speaker 1: we get the lowdown on the Jaguars, from Mark Long,
27:45
Speaker 1: who covers the team for the AP. He joined Wayne
27:48
Speaker 1: Box Miller and me on the Bengals Game Plan Show,
27:50
Speaker 1: and I started our conversation by asking Mark about the Jaguars'
27:55
Speaker 1: outstanding defense, currently ranked number one in fewest points allowed
28:00
Speaker 1: at 12 per game.
28:02
Speaker 7: Well, it really does start with a lot of continuity, right?
28:05
Speaker 7: They return their defensive coordinator from a year ago. They return...
28:11
Speaker 7: 10 of 11 starters on that side of the ball.
28:15
Speaker 7: So they know what they're doing. They're comfortable in their scheme.
28:19
Speaker 7: So that's where it kind of really shows. And they
28:22
Speaker 7: pick up where they left off last year. This is
28:24
Speaker 7: a really good defense last year that could stop the run.
28:26
Speaker 7: They led the NFL in rushing defense. And, again, looks
28:32
Speaker 7: like they're going to be one of the top rushing
28:34
Speaker 7: defenses in the league again. It starts with Devon Hamilton.
28:38
Speaker 7: He's not the name on the defensive side of the ball,
28:41
Speaker 7: but he is their– really their best player, their best
28:43
Speaker 7: player against the run. He's a nose tackle who's just
28:46
Speaker 7: a complete handful. You guys know a little thing about
28:50
Speaker 7: that up there with Dexter Lawrence, but he is their
28:54
Speaker 7: version of Dexter Lawrence, a little bit different body style,
28:58
Speaker 7: doesn't quite get the push, but, man, is he tough
29:01
Speaker 7: to run on. And then they're in. You know, they
29:04
Speaker 7: set the edge, Josh Hines and Alan Trayvon Walker, not
29:08
Speaker 7: over-the-top fantastic pass rushers, but very good at setting the
29:13
Speaker 7: edge and not letting people get outside them, being able
29:16
Speaker 7: to stop the run. So for them, that's where it starts. Secondary,
29:21
Speaker 7: unproven a little bit because Travis Hunter's still in there.
29:24
Speaker 7: They're rotating their cornerbacks around. They don't really know what
29:28
Speaker 7: they've got with him yet. So I think this is
29:30
Speaker 7: going to be his first really good test of this season.
29:34
Speaker 7: He missed half of last year, of the injury, missed
29:38
Speaker 7: most of the offseason, rehabbing from the injury, and they've
29:41
Speaker 7: rotated him through the first three games. So this will
29:45
Speaker 7: be his first unbelievable test when you're talking about going
29:48
Speaker 7: against that unbelievable duo of Jamar Chase and T.
29:53
Speaker 3: Higgins.
29:55
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was looking at the three games this year.
29:57
Speaker 8: The interesting thing, the two games they win, multiple sacks,
30:01
Speaker 8: even five sacks, I think the first game against Cleveland,
30:04
Speaker 8: but against Denver, no sacks. It would seem that they
30:07
Speaker 8: really want to make sure they get to the quarterback
30:09
Speaker 8: to get their defense in rhythm.
30:12
Speaker 7: Yeah, that is absolutely what they need to do. They
30:15
Speaker 7: need to get Trayvon Walker and Josh Heinz-Allen involved, get
30:19
Speaker 7: them pressuring the quarterback. They've seen a lot of quick game.
30:22
Speaker 7: Deshaun Watson, they got him late when the score was
30:26
Speaker 7: out of reach, but it was a lot of quick
30:27
Speaker 7: game early. Certainly week two, Bo Nix moved the pocket.
30:32
Speaker 7: A lot of quick game. Drake May, last week in
30:35
Speaker 7: New England, same thing. A lot of quick game, trying
30:38
Speaker 7: to get rid of the ball. Because these guys can.
30:40
Speaker 7: They can wreck games, and they're a handful up front.
30:43
Speaker 7: I believe if you go back to last season, Cincinnati
30:46
Speaker 7: versus Jacksonville, Trayvon Walker really kind of had his way with–
30:52
Speaker 7: Amarius Mims on the right side. So it'll be interesting.
30:55
Speaker 7: Amarius Mims has made huge strides since that week two
30:58
Speaker 7: matchup last year. So it'll be interesting to see what
31:02
Speaker 7: that matchup head-to-head looks like in year two.
31:06
Speaker 1: Mark Long is our guest talking about the Jacksonville Jaguars.
31:09
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Trevor Lawrence. He looks like he was
31:12
Speaker 1: made in a quarterback lab.
31:14
Speaker 2: 6'6, 220, glorious hair.
31:18
Speaker 1: What has Liam Cohen done to bring out the best
31:22
Speaker 1: in Trevor Lawrence?
31:24
Speaker 7: Well, everything. You know, this is exactly what Trevor needed
31:28
Speaker 7: for his career. You look at a guy who was
31:30
Speaker 7: drafted first overall in 2021 by Urban Meyer, and that
31:35
Speaker 7: was a complete debacle. We all know how that started.
31:39
Speaker 7: Week four in Cincinnati, Urban decides strangely to stick around
31:45
Speaker 7: after that game. and ends up at his restaurant there
31:49
Speaker 7: in Columbus, gets in all sorts of trouble, and it
31:52
Speaker 7: really was the beginning of the end for Urban Meyer.
31:55
Speaker 7: But that just ruined Trevor Lawrence's rookie year. Then he
31:59
Speaker 7: looks like he's going to turn the corner with Doug Peterson,
32:02
Speaker 7: but that turns into a debacle because you had offensive
32:06
Speaker 7: coaches pointing the finger at each other, offensive coaches not
32:10
Speaker 7: even talking during game planning. You know, or Doug Peterson
32:14
Speaker 7: decided to give up play calling all of that affects
32:17
Speaker 7: the young quarterback and it did. And finally in year
32:22
Speaker 7: five for Trevor Lawrence, he basically gets saved here with, um,
32:28
Speaker 7: with Liam Cohen and Liam fantastic mentor played the position.
32:34
Speaker 7: So he knows what he's talking about and he's really
32:37
Speaker 7: found a different level for Trevor Lawrence. He's unafraid to
32:41
Speaker 7: use his legs, run the ball. He doesn't slide. He
32:44
Speaker 7: dived headfirst to try to– he doesn't want that face up,
32:48
Speaker 7: making himself vulnerable to sliding hits. But, yeah, when you
32:54
Speaker 7: look at an offensive game planner, that's what Liam Cohen's
32:57
Speaker 7: really good at, game planning, call and plays, changing up formations,
33:03
Speaker 7: getting a lot of shifts, all of that, disguising the look,
33:06
Speaker 7: kind of a three-ring circus up front. And Trevor's got
33:10
Speaker 7: it all. He's got it all hands down. He's figured
33:12
Speaker 7: it out. And I think one of the things, the
33:16
Speaker 7: other thing that's helped is they've added some talent around,
33:19
Speaker 7: and Parker Washington's come on. They added Jacoby Myers, dependable
33:23
Speaker 7: receivers on the outside. They drafted Josh Cameron this year,
33:27
Speaker 7: and he's rookie, and he's just been a standout stud
33:29
Speaker 7: for them, a guy they absolutely love. Brian Thomas Jr.
33:33
Speaker 7: can stretch the field. They're playing a lot of 12
33:35
Speaker 7: personnel with two tight ends. So they're doing a lot
33:38
Speaker 7: of things. to help Trevor out and maybe not make
33:42
Speaker 7: and then the offensive line really that's probably where it
33:45
Speaker 7: starts for them is the offensive line played well they
33:48
Speaker 7: shifted some things around and they're giving him time and
33:50
Speaker 7: he'll pick you apart and that's what he's done in
33:52
Speaker 7: two of the three games and even in the first
33:54
Speaker 7: half against Denver kind of had his way in Denver
33:57
Speaker 7: until second half changes.
34:00
Speaker 8: Is the Travis Hunter experiment on offense over or do
34:03
Speaker 8: they still plan to use him here and there on
34:07
Speaker 8: some specific plays.
34:09
Speaker 7: Yeah, that is a great question, and I wouldn't say
34:14
Speaker 7: it's over. They got packages of plays for him every
34:17
Speaker 7: single week on offense, but they don't need him on
34:20
Speaker 7: offense right now. So Jacoby Myers has been fantastic as
34:25
Speaker 7: a possession receiver. Parker Washington has been outstanding as kind
34:30
Speaker 7: of their go-to guy. Again, Josh Cameron, a rookie, has
34:34
Speaker 7: stepped in and filled that number three role with Brian
34:37
Speaker 7: Thomas Jr. Those two guys– So they just don't need
34:40
Speaker 7: Travis Hunter on that side of.
34:41
Speaker 1: The ball.
34:43
Speaker 7: Yet. Now, if they have to, they'll play him over there,
34:46
Speaker 7: but they've got a package of plays for him, but
34:48
Speaker 7: they're not going to force it. That's kind of been
34:50
Speaker 7: their mentality. We don't need to force this right now.
34:52
Speaker 7: He missed half of last season with the injury. He
34:56
Speaker 7: missed all of the offseason with the injury. So they're
34:58
Speaker 7: bringing him along slowly, and I think they overwhelmed him
35:02
Speaker 7: last year by bringing him in, bringing him in, as
35:06
Speaker 7: the second overall pick, throwing him in on offense and
35:09
Speaker 7: defense and letting him learn both. Well, trying to learn both,
35:12
Speaker 7: he really never mastered either. And that was a problem.
35:16
Speaker 7: And I think they saw that midway through the year
35:19
Speaker 7: that he didn't know where to line up. He didn't
35:20
Speaker 7: know where to line up on offense. And he really
35:22
Speaker 7: didn't know where to line up on defense. And even
35:24
Speaker 7: to this day, when you look at him out there,
35:27
Speaker 7: he still turns probably 60% of the time. He's after
35:31
Speaker 7: the huddle on defense and even offense, he has to
35:36
Speaker 7: be told where to line up and reminded of what
35:38
Speaker 7: they're doing. So there is still a learning curve for
35:42
Speaker 7: this guy. The EVP, Tony Battelli is like, listen, we're
35:46
Speaker 7: still looking at him. He's played, you know, 12 games
35:49
Speaker 7: at this point. He's not even full, fully finished with
35:52
Speaker 7: his rookie year as far as they're concerned. So they
35:55
Speaker 7: don't see it as an issue yet. I know this,
35:58
Speaker 7: Travis Hunter wants to play more. He wants to play
36:01
Speaker 7: on offense. So at some point, you wonder, will that
36:05
Speaker 7: kind of become an ugly scenario where him or his
36:09
Speaker 7: camp are demanding more and the Jags have to figure out,
36:13
Speaker 7: do they give in or do they continue on the
36:17
Speaker 7: path that they're at right now? They do like him
36:19
Speaker 7: on defense and they think he can be a Pro
36:22
Speaker 7: Bowl cornerback. it just, you know, he hasn't quite gotten
36:27
Speaker 7: the opportunity to play out there. He's much better in
36:29
Speaker 7: man than zone. That's the other thing. And they're kind
36:31
Speaker 7: of a zone defense right now. So it'd be interesting
36:34
Speaker 7: to see if they switch that up this weekend and
36:37
Speaker 7: maybe give Travis Hunter, you know, a lot of man
36:40
Speaker 7: opportunity on Jamar chase, or, you know, if they bracket Jamar,
36:43
Speaker 7: do they put Travis Hunter on T Higgins and take
36:47
Speaker 7: their chances that way?
36:49
Speaker 1: Mark, my final question has to do with the running
36:51
Speaker 1: back position. I think if you asked a casual NFL
36:54
Speaker 1: fan who's the top running back for the Jaguars, they'd
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Speaker 1: probably still say Travis Etienne, even though he signed as
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Speaker 1: a free agent with the Saints. Bayshall Tootin is on
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Speaker 1: a pace to run for more than 1,100 yards. How
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Speaker 1: good is Bayshall Tootin?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's got great vision and a great cutback ability,
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Speaker 7: and then we haven't quite seen it yet, but great speed.
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Speaker 7: This is a guy who ran 4.28, I think, at
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Speaker 7: the NFL Combine. That's one of the things they loved
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Speaker 7: about him is they just thought he was a home
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Speaker 7: run hitter. So they haven't gotten him. He hasn't quite
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Speaker 7: gotten that home run hit yet, and so they're kind
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Speaker 7: of waiting on that, but they think it's coming. He's
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Speaker 7: had a couple where it's like shoestring tackle here, arm
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Speaker 7: tackle there. Just one move, one step away from breaking one. So,
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Speaker 7: you know, if you're the Bengals, you're hoping it doesn't
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Speaker 7: happen this week. But if you're the Jags, you're kind
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Speaker 7: of fingers crossed. We think he's going to break through
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Speaker 7: at some point. And the sooner the better for the
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Speaker 7: Jags as far as they're concerned.
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