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[Ep 21] Is Your Lymph Slowing Fat Loss? | Doreiby Riker · Age Defiantly with Mark Young

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We are here at the Performance Driven Living Podcast, and I am here with my guest, and
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she's telling me her name is pronounced Dorebi.
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But we're just going to go with Dore, because Dore is what you go by anyway, so I like
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that better.
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And this is Dore Riker.
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And Dore, I always say my team puts together these show notes, and they do it so well.
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And literally it's this whole script of everything I need to say, and so on.
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I don't think I've ever done it the way that they put it together.
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But they do such great intros for you that I would never be able to actually do.
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So I always read the intro if you're okay with that.
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And it says, today's guest brings a deeply integrated approach to wellness.
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One that unites movement, nourishment, lymphatic health, and cultural joy.
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Dore Riker is the founder of robust wholeness in occupational and lymphatic therapists, holistic
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health coach, and certified women's health and gut health practitioner.
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He's on a mission to help people heal holistically, mind, body, and spirit.
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And her passion is as vibrant as her approach.
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Wow.
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I know.
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Job, guys.
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Like, literally, I'm like, I couldn't write this stuff like, and I certainly am not just
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going to ad-lib that.
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I can't even describe myself.
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I know.
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I'm like, guys, can you describe me?
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That was beautiful, executed.
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And my guys, I need you to describe me, except I'm almost afraid of what that would
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say.
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Dore, I'm so happy to have you here today.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for having me.
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So I want you to talk to me because the goal of our podcast here is I say that I vicariously
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want to be the voice of the people.
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Okay.
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And it's tough, because I'll say this, like, I know a lot of stuff about a lot of stuff,
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and I probably know a little stuff about a lot of stuff, so I just think I know more
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than I do.
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But it's like, I want to learn.
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Like there's nothing in the world I don't want to actually learn.
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And I say that this podcast is just a way for me to learn things.
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And when I ask people if they want to be a guest, everybody feels special.
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I get like one-on-one tutoring here with absolutely zero cost.
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So I kind of like that.
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That's great.
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That's cool.
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It continues for me.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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You are.
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And I just read in this absolutely beautiful intro here that robust wholeness, occupational
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and fatic therapists, holistic health coach, women's health and gut health practitioner,
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like, oh my gosh.
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I'm like, how does anybody do all of this kind of stuff?
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But before the show, I actually asked you, like, what do you really want to focus on?
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And you said something that I've never heard anybody say before, which is really funny,
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because you're like, I'm a lymphatic specialist.
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And I'm like, who is a lymphatic specialist, right?
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Like that seems ridiculous, because you say lymphatic specialists to me.
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And I start thinking like dry brushing and stuff.
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Oh, that's just an idigridio.
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Exactly.
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That's just the very top of it.
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And I would love, love, love.
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Because I don't think, I'm going to say, again, remember, I know a little about a lot.
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The lymphatic system is probably one of the least talked about systems in the body, to
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be honest with you.
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And yet, it literally is the system that does the most to get rid of the damage.
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And not dealing with our lymphatic system actually holds the damage in the body.
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And sadly, it's not like a garbage can that just sits with garbage in it.
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Garbage creates more garbage.
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It's kind of like the mold in the garbage can that continues to grow in the smell that
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starts to stench through the entire house when you don't take out the garbage.
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And that lymphatic system is just so important to getting rid of the damage for so many reasons.
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But your lymphatic specialist, which means like, you're like a garbage man.
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It's practically for the body, yeah.
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You can say that.
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That's the intro I would have written, aren't you glad they wrote it?
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Yeah, thank you for doing that, guys.
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Frankly, the lymphatic system is so fascinating to me.
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I came across it as a pathology.
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My mom had breast cancer.
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And when my mom, after her mastectomy, I want to see a couple of years later, she started
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developing swelling in her arm.
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And I was already a notee, and I wasn't taking the answer of her oncologist that was saying,
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no, that's residual.
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We see that sometimes from a mastectomy, it's totally normal, go away.
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And my mom was starting to lack movement.
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Her range of motion was in the same.
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She was living in New York at the time, so I was traveling back and forth.
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And it wasn't until, frankly, one day I went to a public library in New York, because we're
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talking 2009 here, 2008, like Google really wasn't as prominent as it is now.
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And I find a left entitus.
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And I'm like, hmm, if a mosquito can do that to the lymphatic system, I wonder what would
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happen if they remove lymph nodes, which is what ends up happening when you have cancer.
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So I dug a little deeper, and I found the Academy of Lymphatic Studies in Florida.
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And I was living in Florida at the time, and I called them, and I said, look, I pretty
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sure my mom has lymphedema.
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So I went ahead and I got certified.
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It's a six months specialization on top of my OT degree.
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It was in six month online course, and then it's a 12 hour 10-day seminar of hands-on
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training.
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You learn how to do the decomgestive therapy bandaging.
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So my mom was my very first patient.
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And then I looked at that, and I started thinking to myself, like, I learned so much.
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And what if I just take this and make it wellness and teach people, like, hey, like if you
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really care for this system, you're going to have longevity.
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Like there's no if what's about, like a lot of my clients that I coach too, holistically
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with nutrition, I'll tell them, how's your lymphatic system?
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Are you stagnant anywhere?
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And just by palpating certain areas of their body, I can tell.
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So I put them on a nutrition plan, and then I put them on the lymphatic regimen.
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I'll have them come see me like once or twice a week.
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And initially the weight loss is just crazy, right?
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Crazy, like, and they're like, that was my missing link.
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A lot of people don't know that your lymphatic system is actually what carries their fat
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cells.
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So all the cellulite build up in women is your lymphatic system is stagnant.
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Really?
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I don't think I've ever heard that before.
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Yeah, so a lot of it can be, you know, what do you call it?
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I'm a vegetarian, but I, I'm a bright believer, like just how they say cancer is a vegetarian.
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I'm like, it's environmental.
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You'll have that 10% heterotary chance, but it's your day-to-day life.
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What you do, what you eat, what you put in your skin, all of those things matter.
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So getting back to the lymphatic system, but the cellulite, the small intestine is what
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actually carries the fat.
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So I did a really cool video on my Instagram.
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And it shows the diagram of the small intestine, and then it shows it shunting nutrients to
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the bloodstream, all our vitamins, all the nutrients we need, but the fats don't get
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carried.
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And they just kind of stay lingering around the body until the lymphatic system comes and
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picks them up and takes them up and goes to the liver, and it goes through all the process
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of decomposing and wasting.
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But if your lymphatic system is stagnant, you're not going to have that.
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Really holding onto it.
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You're going to just hold it, and there is that weight gain that a lot of women struggle
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with.
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And now we're having with the hormone replacement therapy.
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I have a client, she just turned 60, and her goal was to feel young again.
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She wanted to have sex with her husband.
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She wanted to feel, she's a beautiful 60-year-old woman.
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She works out.
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She was pretty heavy when I met her.
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She's like, I just can't lose weight.
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They have me on thyroid medicine, they have meal cholesterol meds.
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I put her on one of my regimens.
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I worked with her for, I want to say, six months, and she is now wearing a size six.
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She says she has so much energy, and I moved here from Florida, so she doesn't have me anymore
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and I try to get her other therapist, which is just not the same, because I combine everything.
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So you're not here to Austin?
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I'm actually in Dallas.
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In Dallas.
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I live in Crisco, Northern Dallas.
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No kidding.
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I actually used to live out that way.
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Yeah, I've been here nine months now from Florida.
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We're in Florida.
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Palm Beach, Foxohatchee.
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I live in Fort Lauderdale.
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Yeah, so I had two acres there.
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I had my little farm, my little homestead chickens and the whole thing.
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So far.
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It's been a change for me to come here.
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I have to say like, Dallas is different than Florida.
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Yeah, so I feel like a city girl again.
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Like I grew up in Queens, New York, so I'm like, oh, my city girl is activated again,
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but I do miss the beach and my little farm.
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I like being near the beach.
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I'm not going to lie.
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So Dory, you said something.
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You said something that I really want to touch on real quick, because I always say that
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there's, you know, where your pain is, there's your purpose, like that kind of turns into
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a story that I see thematically throughout everybody that I talk to, particularly in this
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wellness space, because I say that it's like madlibs.
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You know, I once was diagnosed with fill in the blank.
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And then I went to a doctor and they weren't able to do anything with it.
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No specialist had an answer, but I discovered blank and it kind of becomes this founder's
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story on repeat.
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Like I said, it's like a madlib in your story as your mother.
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Right?
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Like your mother had a problem, and nobody was treating that problem.
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So you dove in, Catherine Arnston, over at, if you're familiar with Catherine and energy
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bits, like her sister developed cancer, and she was trying to find out a way that she
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could help with this.
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It just, I could tell you story after story after story about someone who's loved one,
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was there was the catalyst for their, their moment, the, the folks over at, um, their
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massage.
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If you know Robbie and Melody, like, there's, was their, their child who ended up, you
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know, dying, but that, that became the story after story after story is, here's my pain.
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You know, your mom was struggling with something that it frustrated you, that you didn't know
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how to solve it and no one else seemed to solve it.
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So you dove in and took care of it yourself.
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And I love that because passion drives purpose, 100% and now everyone you talk to ends up
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getting the benefit of your mother's issue.
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Like that charged your passion.
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And all these jokes that the best thing that came out of her cancer was my career.
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And that's something that she's like, to me, like, I will take it because I know what
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you're doing and I know the lives that you're changing and the movement that you're creating.
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And she's like, I get it.
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And I don't want to hear that as a daughter because it's my mom, you know, and you're,
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but it's true though, that pain did drive that purpose for me a hundred percent.
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Yeah, but it's that divine table turning, right?
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Like what was intended for evil turned to good.
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Amen.
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And I love that.
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And I've got a client and a friend of mine that's a family and one of the daughters ended
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up diagnosed with ALS and, you know, she was told three years you're out, so on, so forth.
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Praise God.
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That was 16 years ago.
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But her dad was an osteopathic surgeon who came out of retirement was like, no, I'm
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now an ALS researcher and ended up finding a supplement, a regimen that was able to,
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like she's still alive 16 years later.
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And, you know, he's, oh my gosh, Vince, he's got to be close to 90 years old now.
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And it's like a hundred percent active, like he wouldn't even imagine, like he's just
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a love the guy.
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And sharp is anything so on, so forth.
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And everything is like amazing and Deanna, um, she'll be like, you're welcome.
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Like, yeah, she's like, I have ALS, but you're welcome.
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Like, I did this for you, like, and it's kind of funny because she's his reason for
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living.
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Like, like, her parents are, you know, in their, you know, 80s, 90s, and, and they're
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just like, no, like, she needs us when I go anywhere, like, and it's just kind of funny,
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though, because like, in that pain becomes that purpose.
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And I love that story.
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And I mean, the best thing that came out of your mom's cancer was your career.
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I love that.
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Thank you.
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But I'm pivoting to the trash can.
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Okay.
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This, this lymphatic system that, that ends up being this, I mean, really like I said,
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so much system.
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That's the best way to describe it with a locked, you know, literally it's, it's the
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body's sewer, right?
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You need to, you need to do this.
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And it's the indoor plumbing for your body that is taking out the waste, but sometimes
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it gets clogged.
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Sometimes it doesn't work the way it should.
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And unfortunately, we don't think about that system very much.
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And yet you mentioned cancer that's usually, I mean, they normally tell you because that
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sewage system runs the entire body, like, it's everywhere in the body.
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It's not in whatever.
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And you've got some pockets in your body that are, that are higher density, right?
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Your abdomen, believe it or not, you're, that's why deep, defragmatic breathing is one
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of the best things you can do in the morning to start your morning.
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Now correct my science here, because like, remember, I know a little about a lot, the
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lymphatic system.
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So if we're talking about the digestive system, we can talk about like peristalsis, right?
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Like it, it has movement of itself, correct.
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The lungs clearly have movement of themselves, the heart beats, right?
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Each of the systems in the body actually have that type of movement.
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But one of the, one of the issues with the lymphatic system is it doesn't actually have
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that type of movement for us.
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It's strictly relies on your movement.
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So if you're, if it relies on muscle movement, so if you're not a very active person and
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you're more sedentary, you're bound to have more of a stagnant lymphatic system than
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someone who exercises on a daily basis.
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That, that literally like your lymphatic system doesn't, it doesn't have any, like if your
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bladder does, right, you will expel, because your bladder will, your digestive system will
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push it until it's, until it's full enough that it needs to be relieved.
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But again, that lymphatic system, that's the one thing it doesn't have, which is weird,
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because it's running the entire body, but you need to push the button that actually isn't
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that amazing.
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It's crazy, right?
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No, we're, God's like, I'm not going to give it all to you.
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You've got to work for it.
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You've got to do a little bit.
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You know, and that's exactly, so the lymphatic system tends to be an area for a lot of people,
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particularly people who are dealing with chronic disease, that ends up getting a, a backlog,
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if you will, like it gets that jammed up plumbing, that people, you need to do something.
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And one of the best ways, I mean, I'm going to say exercise is probably one of the best
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ways to deal with the lymphatic system, obviously.
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But when the system gets jammed up, even sometimes that's not even enough to relieve that.
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What are some of the, I want to, I want to start with the problems, and then we'll move
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on to the solutions, that is, you mentioned weight gain, that clearly that's a problem
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that a lot of people struggle with, you know, we live in an incredibly obese society.
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And part of that, we can get into the processed foods and all the other nonsense, you know,
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you see my maha bottle here.
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Yes.
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Love it.
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But the truth is, is we can talk about, you know, what's going on that's actually causing
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that obesity pandemic, we can talk about, you know, dopamine release and whatnot.
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But the reality is, is like, a lot of people are struggling with this, and they don't
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even care why they just want to know what do I do about it, right?
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What are some of the other things that you see?
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Like, if the lymphatic system is jammed up, if there's a problem with lymphatic drainage
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somehow, what, what are the symptoms of that?
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Like what, what types of diseases or illnesses are symptoms?
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It really varies per person.
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I come across a lot of women in some of my clients with autoimmune diseases, like autoimmune
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disorders, like lupus, a lot of thyroid issues, a lot of it, and a lot, many times once
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we get the person on stagnate, we get them cleared out and I teach them, I'm like, look,
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I don't expect you to see me for the rest of your life.
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My goal is to educate you and for you to learn how to do this on your own.
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So definitely autoimmune, a lot of thyroid issues, believe it or not, it can affect your
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liver and your kidney because your liver and your kidneys are connected to your lymphatic
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system.
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So if they're getting pumped and they're not being released, all of that's not filtering
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properly, then you'll have other issues that can arate from the liver.
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You said autoimmune and I want to park there for just a quick minute because, and I'll
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say, I have a sister who thinks that she's a magnet for autoimmune and I'm not getting
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into all of her health issues, but she's parked on autoimmune, like she stuck in this autoimmune
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mindset.
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And you know, the doctor told me that once you have one autoimmune issue, it's pretty
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normal to have others and it's like, she has vitiligo and oh my gosh, now I've got
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Hashimoto's, it figures just my luck, right?
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And I mean, aside from the psychological and energetic causes of constantly being ear,
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there's part of that that tells me like autoimmune to me, I reject autoimmune as being even
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a disease, right?
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Like people say autoimmune disease and I immediately go, oh, you mean you haven't figured
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out the cause yet?
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Exactly.
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And usually, no, no, I have a diagnosis, I'm like, yeah, that means that it's a similar
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symptom and they still haven't figured out the cause.
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I had to go to Columbia to get diagnosed with mine and I hate, like you said, even put
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in it into existence, but I have breast implants and I'm actually feeling a lot of the symptoms
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of breast implant illness and I've got to countless doctors here to get blood work and
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they're like, there's no such thing over there.
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They call it Asia and it's a syndrome that affects you when your body starts attacking
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itself from the inside out because of the foreign substance.
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So I had to go home to see a doctor there to get, to know what I had to do.
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Obviously, I'm going to have them remove this year, but America is just, we're just
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so behind the ball.
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We are so behind the ball.
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It's so many things I want to unpack there.
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So let's finish the autoimmune, but I want to get into the ex-plant conversation as well.
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So autoimmune, do you agree with me that by and large, what we're calling autoimmune really
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is just we don't know the source?
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100% with you on that.
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Autoimmune, everything from, as you mentioned, lupus, anything, Vidaligo, Hashimoto's, they're
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calling all of these autoimmune.
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And met Thyroid meds, which does change in their lifestyle.
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MS is an autoimmune and it's like, well, we're calling them all autoimmune, rheumatoid
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arthritis, like all of these things, they're all classified as autoimmune.
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It's like none of these things even have similar symptoms, but we classify them as autoimmune
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and then, and I hate to say this because I'm very much a mindset-driven person, right?
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I'm in the way you start defining yourself, the IAM statements, determines the way your
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body functions, because if I tell you I am in danger, your body responds in a sympathetic
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response and all of a sudden, we start acting like we're in danger, our bodies respond
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like we're in danger because you just made a declarative statement.
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And I hate diagnosis for that reason because you start working, your body starts functioning
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as if that's just true now, right?
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So data side, though, when we get into this autoimmune conversation, I'm super curious.
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Why is the, what, what is your belief on why the medical community is okay with, with
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taking all of these things and dumping them into one big bucket called autoimmune because
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unfortunately, what is it, what is it, the other thing is like, I hear people who have
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an autoimmune condition and they say things like, well, it's just my own immune system
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fighting against itself and it's like, there's a reason behind that.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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And I'm like, what's their reasoning?
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That is not evolutionary possible.
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Like, that doesn't happen.
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You don't, your system doesn't kill itself.
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Like, there's a reason why your system is reacting the way it's reacting.
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This isn't random.
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Like, what, what do you see in this with these autoimmunes?
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And you said your own autoimmune, right?
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It's like, what is happening there?
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And you're saying that your autoimmune condition, you're linking to, to implants.
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To the implants, just based on what I felt after, like, my care change, actually,
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not having an exam right now, I have things that I'd never dealt with in the past.
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Granted, I'm 41, but I take very good care of myself.
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I mean, I drain myself every morning, my lymphatic system is like my main priority in
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the morning when I wake up as a practitioner.
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So I just, I started digging deeper because I'm feeling tired often.
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I was a 530 in the gym kind of girl, and I'm like, oh, can I just sleep in a little
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bit?
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Like, so a lot of those things started kind of like, something's not right here.
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I know it's not my hormones.
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That's another thing that, you know, I can go dive into, but it's really just the connection
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that I have with my body and how it speaks your body lets you know when something is
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off.
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And you just have to listen and be so in tune with yourself, which is how I was able
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to pick up that the implants are causing me more harm than as pretty as they are, but
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they have to go.
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Well, and it's exactly, I mean, it's a voluntary, it's clearly aesthetics.
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I'm a man.
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South Florida girl.
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Absolutely.
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I'm a man.
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No one complains about it, but the reality is is you don't, when you put something
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foreign into your body, your body is designed to destroy it, but the body's natural reaction
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to any kind of toxin or foreign substances to expel.
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Correct.
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You know, and that's why we have, you know, systems that sweat and systems that urinate
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and systems that defecate and like, your body wants rid of whatever is in it that's
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foreign and with implants, you're putting whether that's sailing, whether that's silicone,
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like whatever.
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And we're kind of implants.
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If I took a pencil and jabbed it into my stomach, like the body is going to fight against
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it, right?
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It doesn't belong there.
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And anything that doesn't belong immediately becomes the enemy.
22:25
Tell me this, because I just literally just had a conversation yesterday with a guest
22:30
by the name of Andy Liu, and she actually wrote a book called Treasure to Chest, and her
22:36
entire story was about having her ex-plant and just years of shame that she felt over
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doing this as a health expert and then getting implants as a health expert and then going
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through the ex-plant process and so on and so forth and then dealing with scarring.
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And like, and I've got a copy of her book.
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I'll actually give it to you and because I can get another one from her, you may enjoy
22:56
it.
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But the one of the things that she was talking about when we were talking about this, this
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ex-plant was she was saying that when the body has a foreign substance and the immune system,
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the body is not going to get rid of an implant, right?
23:14
Like, it can't expel that.
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It encapsulates it.
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Correct.
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One, it encapsulates it, which turns into scar tissue around that.
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So it still treats it like a foreign substance and tries to just put it in isolation.
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But when the immune system, which is really what's responding to that, loses the battle,
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which is not in effect what it's doing, right?
23:35
It's losing.
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It's not able to expel that.
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One of the hypotheses was that the immune system actually stops fighting against submother
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battles because, well, we're not going to win this one.
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Well, what other battles are we not going to win?
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And it's like the immune system itself weakens.
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And the other thing that I would hypothesize on that is that, and this has come up a couple
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of times in the last few days, has been, your body only has so much energy.
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And the body knows how to allocate the energy to each system, right?
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The digestive system gets this much energy.
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And I always tell it's kind of like bandwidth on the Wi-Fi.
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Like you only have so much bandwidth, and if everyone in the house is streaming, you
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know, everyone's stream is going to start going slower, right?
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There's only so much bandwidth.
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And you know, specifically, we talk about it a lot in terms of, you know, oxidative stress
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from sympathetic nervous system and so on.
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But the reality is, is like, if your body is having to reallocate attention into dealing
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with this foreign intruder in the body, isn't it also true that it's pulling that energy
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from somewhere?
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Yeah.
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I mean, is that?
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Yeah, I mean, I see your theory there.
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I can see how, if one is overloaded, the other one's going to get overloaded, and then
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if the body's going to work slower, and you're going to be more susceptible to things,
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to catching, you know, illnesses or developing certain conditions.
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If your immune system is all focused on getting rid of the implants, it's probably not focused
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on all the other things that are attacking it on a regular basis, because it's going
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to go to the, to the biggest intruder, no pun intended.
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Yeah.
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It's true.
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It's true though.
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And that's way like for me, I'm so intentional like with what I eat, making sure I'm exercising,
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making sure like my lymphatic system again, it's like up to part, because until I don't
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rid myself of this issue, I'm susceptible to other things, and I know that.
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So I try to always be very mindful of all that.
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Well, it's when we're working hard, and we're not sleeping and all this kind of stuff,
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like we're forcing our energy to do other things, and then we end up getting sick.
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Well, why?
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Because we're making our, we're taking all the immune energy and focusing it elsewhere,
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and then leaving that system compromised, and that this is compromised your body.
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Now tell me this, like, okay, so I want to go back to the lymphatic system a little
26:03
bit here, because it's all connected, all of it's connected.
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We talked about auto-immunes.
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We talked about what are the things that happen, the disease states, the complications
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that come from having a backed up immune system.
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We talked about, you know, foreign substances, and the form of implants, or seem to be
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explant, and how the body has to recover from that as well.
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And truthfully, that's, I would say, causes cellular trauma also.
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So there's cellular trauma now that also needs to, and I want to talk about that with you
26:37
as well, because the lymphatic system is a very biological system, but the lymphatic system
26:44
also has to deal with cellular trauma also.
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Start us there.
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Yeah, so believe it or not, when I treat my patients, I, I usually, depending on what
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I see and what I'm feeling, I incorporate raky into my sessions.
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I have level one and two raky practitioners, and it's, it's amazing, because they're like,
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what did you do?
27:07
Like that was just not a regular massage, like whatever I was feeling, whatever heaviness
27:11
I had when I came here, whatever stress, it's gone.
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Explain raky to anybody who may not know what that is.
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So raky is an energy healing.
27:20
It's basically you use your, I use my hands and a technique to kind of just go over the
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person and just change, exchange energy with them and try to take away whatever troubles
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they're having at that moment.
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And I incorporate that with my treatments, with my lymphatic treatments.
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So I just feel like that just makes the lymphatic system work even faster.
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It's my theory, though.
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Don't quote me on that.
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No.
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I'll quote you on that.
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Like I don't, I don't disagree with you on that.
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Now, do you, do you find that in doing that, you said, you use the word energy exchange.
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So I'm using your words.
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So they have trauma.
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You believe you're exchanging, which by, I'm, I'm helping them.
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I'm not taking it.
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I'm going to say you said it.
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No, no.
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I shoot my son.
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No, no, no.
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I am so well protected.
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Like, so that's part of when you become a raky practitioner.
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They really teach you how to like shield your own energy.
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So you can do the healing, but you're not taking anything from it.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You said the word exchange.
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I was like, wait, I want to go there real quick.
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And I agree with you.
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That's why I bring that up.
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Like you can biologically remove garbage.
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But we deal with psychological garbage and energy garbage and all this other kind of
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stuff that builds up as well.
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Now, let's talk about the, the actual biological elimination.
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What is it that people can be doing?
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And obviously going to see a lymphatic specialist like yourself makes complete sense.
28:40
But yeah.
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But you live in Dallas.
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I live in Fort Lauderdale.
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I travel.
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I'm actually going to Malibu next month.
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Oh, well, I won't be in Malibu.
28:47
Well, actually, we'll be in Malibu next month, and I'll be in Los Angeles, close enough.
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So here's my, here's my question to you, though, the, and I had surgery a few years ago.
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Okay.
28:58
And it was probably the first time I'd ever paid attention to lymphatic range, because
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I never really paid attention to it.
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I'll be honest with you and tell you I didn't know a lot about it.
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And I'll tell you, I was a former fat kid.
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And I used to weigh a lot more than I knew.
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No way, really?
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Oh, totally.
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I used to weigh like 265 pounds and now it's terrible.
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I could show you pictures.
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It was just, it was growing up with terrible habits, like that kind of stuff.
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And it's like, when I started becoming really intentional, it actually became a thing
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that I'm like, okay, why do I want to be this person?
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But it ended up happening to point that I actually had loose skin around my abdomen.
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And I went and had an abdominal plastic.
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Okay.
29:33
And for anybody who doesn't know what that is, that's actually the equivalent of what
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Tommy taught you.
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Tommy taught you.
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And I went and I'm like, no, I don't want this.
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And it was so funny because the surgeon who did it, he's amazing.
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And I have nearly zero scarring, but the surgeon who did it, it was, it was the funniest
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story to be honest with you, because I wanted to do it for simple vanity.
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And, you know, and he's like, you don't really need this and he's like, it's not that big
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of a deal.
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And he's just like, you're fine.
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And I'm like, no, this is what I want, you know, and I don't know.
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Maybe I'd make a different decision today just to not cause that trauma to my body, but
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I did whatever.
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And I'm happy with it.
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But at the same time, I didn't drain properly.
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Did you have massages done after the surgery?
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So I did.
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And, and after I had that surgery, I actually went in for lymphatic drainage massages and
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I had a few of them and I found a specific place that he recommended and of course I went
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and did it.
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Was it painful?
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No.
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So I'm actually part of a movement right now that it's called stop opening seasonal drainage.
30:34
There's a lot of therapists that are getting certified with the school called Lux Beauty
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online.
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And it's a $150 course, no sort of medical training.
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I actually bought the course just to see what it was.
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And a lot of these girls are pushing fluids out their bodies.
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So they're re-opening incisions and just strictly just pushing the fluid out.
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And they're calling that lymphatic drainage.
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And that's actually something that only a nurse or a doctor can do and a nurse has to
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be under the scope of a doctor, even me as a CLT, as a full CLT.
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I cannot reopen wounds.
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I am certified in wound care and I can't treat wounds, but that's not lymphatic drainage.
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So that's why I asked if it was painful because I've had clients that come to me after seeing
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whoever their surgeons recommend and they're like, I am in so much pain that was so painful
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what you did was not painful at all.
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So that's the reason and behind that.
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Yeah, it was, it was no pain.
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And but I did exactly the number of sessions they told me to.
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And I was the guy who brought the dry brushes and I got the roller like you're a good client.
31:35
If you even knew, like I actually laughed because I had this surgery on a Thursday and follow
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a visit on a Friday.
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And of course, I had to get home and I didn't come out of anesthetic well and I'm not a
31:47
fan of anybody going under anesthesia voluntarily because this is like why I put yourself in
31:51
that situation, I didn't come out of it easily.
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And that's a pretty invasive surgery, like that's really invasive.
31:59
But they literally cut you open from side to side.
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Now the good news is the surgeon, he was like, Mark, like we opened you up and he goes,
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I wish everybody looked like you on the inside and he's just like, your muscle tone, everything
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is just so spot on and he's just like, you're the patient we want because you did the
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work.
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You know, and it's one of those things, he's just like, you're your muscle tone beneath
32:21
this was amazing and he's like, you know, I'm going to bubble ball and it was, it was
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very complimentary, but you know, a friend of mine stayed at my, stayed at my house and
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made sure that I was taking care of for the next few hours and you know, next day or
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two actually.
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But that Friday night, like I went to a follow up visit in the doctor, this terrible
32:40
story, but I was, he's like, okay, and so it was lean up against this whatever and he's
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like, I'm going to lower the table and he dropped the table.
32:47
So like I went down on my back, I actually think I saw my soul actually leave for a couple
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of seconds.
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So not a good Friday, but I stopped taking pain meds, like I'm like, I'm not living on
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pain medication.
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Like that's not going to happen.
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I don't like pharma.
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Like I'm not going to take pain meds, like suck it up, buttercup, right?
33:07
But then I literally was like, no, like I'm not going to live this way.
33:10
Like I'm going to do what I have to do, but I started doing HBOT and I was doing red
33:15
light therapy.
33:16
I was doing, I mean, I was doing dermarolors with GHKCU peptides and like, oh, I was all
33:25
over it.
33:26
I was all over it.
33:27
And I left because like I went back to the doctor, like even if it was just a couple
33:30
minutes later, like I went back to the doctor's three days later for my follow up and you
33:34
know, walked in, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Is this normal?
33:37
And he looks at he goes, Mark, most patients are coming in here, hunched over and had
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you drove yourself to your follow up appointment three days later and haven't taken a pain
33:48
med, you know, I drove myself on a Monday and he's like, you're walking, you know, straight
33:53
up, erect, like he's like, this is amazing.
33:58
And then a few weeks later, I would back for follow up and he's like, you're the only
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patient I've ever had who spent more money on after care than you did on the surgery.
34:04
Like I may also be true, right?
34:06
Hyperbarics, King of costly.
34:07
Oh gosh.
34:08
And it was amazing.
34:09
I love it.
34:10
And through hyperbarics, I think I ended up watching like the, you know, an entire season
34:14
of, uh, but what's the, it's the Zoe, Dationel show, who's that girl or just Jess or whatever
34:21
it was?
34:22
I can't remember.
34:23
Anyways.
34:24
But, but the lymphatic drainage was something that I'd never really paid attention to and
34:29
I started to fill up like I wasn't draining and he ended up having to leave the drains
34:33
in longer than expected.
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And so on.
34:38
I'm like, well, that's really interesting.
34:39
Like I, I never really paid attention to that.
34:42
Like what types of things should people be doing just for maintenance because it became
34:47
acutely aware to me because of an acute issue, but it's made me very self conscious.
34:53
The fact that I will still do those things now, even though I'm years post surgery, that's
34:58
not the issue.
34:59
But I will still, I keep a dry brush in my nightstand, like I will still, like even
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from in the shower, I will, I will massage down my stomach and stuff like what were
35:08
those things?
35:09
The best thing.
35:10
And it's so simple.
35:11
I like to make life because we're all busy, right?
35:13
I know in the morning I'm getting my kids ready.
35:15
I have to go.
35:16
So I simplify my techniques and I tell my clients the same thing.
35:20
Keep it simple.
35:21
So you're successful.
35:22
If I give you a whole list of things that's going to take you 20 minutes to do, you're
35:25
never going to do it.
35:26
I know my people.
35:28
So the best thing to do is deep, deep, pragmatic breathing.
35:32
That technique is the best because you're really activating the lymph nodes from the inside
35:37
out in your abdomen and we have the galt in there and the small intestine.
35:40
And that's all the lectials are a big, big part of the lymphatic system.
35:44
So deep, deep, pragmatic breathing, what I recommend is taking nine deep breaths.
35:50
You're going to inhale through your nose, but you really want to make sure if you want
35:54
to do it with me, we can drink together.
35:56
So you're going to go ahead and take a deep breath in through your nose, but press your
35:59
hands right here while you're, while you're inhaling, I want you to really expand your
36:03
belly out to make sure that your belly is really moving out and you're not just breathing
36:07
from the top.
36:08
So you want to inhale in.
36:10
You see how my belly rises out?
36:13
And then when you exhale out, you're going to exhale out through your nose.
36:15
I mean, you're mouth nice and slow.
36:19
And you can start palpating up here where we have nodes.
36:23
You can do some palpitations there while you're exhaling and then you're going to do
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nine serious of those breaths.
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And you can do that in bed before you get out of bed.
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That's the way I start my morning.
36:35
And I get up, I drink my lemon water, I dry skin brush, I tongue scrape, those are all
36:40
big parts of it too.
36:41
Tongue scraping too.
36:42
I do that.
36:43
I do that with like a copper scraper.
36:46
What beautiful.
36:47
So the dry skin brush is also very important that you open up the lymphatic system before
36:52
you dry skin brushing because otherwise you're just brushing really great.
36:56
So the idea is to do those 90 breaths.
36:59
And then you're going to kind of pump your terminus area, your clavicle area, believe
37:02
it or not, we have hundreds of lymph nodes in this area.
37:05
This is one of our biggest, biggest drain points.
37:08
So you want to kind of pump this area here, you'll go nine times.
37:12
And then you're going to want to also pump here.
37:14
And you can do it together like this, you're just kind of like, it's like a little pump
37:19
here.
37:21
So you'll kind of like, come on.
37:23
So your massage therapist, let me know that you leave kind of like that.
37:28
And then same thing here, it's a very, very gentle.
37:31
Yeah, because the lymphatic system is so superficial that once we've activated it, you really
37:35
don't need pressure.
37:36
That's why when I'm seeing like girls online offering, I'm like, you're given Brazilian,
37:41
which is more for sculpting, which I do with my athletes.
37:43
I work with a lot of athletes as well.
37:46
If they're going on stage, if you have a competition, if you have a date night,
37:50
and you want to wear a good dress, that's a very completely different form of lymphatic
37:55
drainage.
37:56
But anyway, getting a...
37:57
The synthetic drainage just doesn't look skinny or on a date.
37:59
I've never heard that.
38:00
Oh my God, yeah.
38:02
Believe it or not, my husband, he was in a believer.
38:05
And when I first started this whole thing, he was like, what are you doing?
38:09
Why are you spending seven grand to get certified as a lymphodema therapist?
38:12
I don't understand.
38:13
And I'm like, it's okay.
38:14
It'll make sense in the future, I promise.
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I want to say two years ago, he gained a little weight.
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And in one session, I brought him from a 36 to a 34.
38:27
One session.
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I need this.
38:29
I mean, I'm already a 34.
38:30
But maybe you can take me to a 32.
38:31
It just brings all the water out of you.
38:33
It's amazing.
38:34
He was like, babe, I'm sorry, I didn't believe you, babe.
38:38
So deep breathing, you know, with obviously with the massage and the abdomen, then you
38:44
want to pump down here, right?
38:45
Because we have notes here, you want to pump here and then the belly button.
38:49
So every time you exhale, you want to give yourself those little pumps.
38:53
And then you mentioned the neck area down to the clavicle.
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The clavicle on your arms.
38:57
And if you have time and to do it right, do your growing area, we have a lot of notes
39:02
here.
39:03
So you can pump the notes, you can pump behind the knee, you can pump by the elbows.
39:08
There's also notes here.
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That way everything is open.
39:11
And then you can dry skin brush.
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And it literally takes you.
39:14
So I mean, my routine now, because I have it down to a science, it takes me seven minutes
39:18
to do everything I need to do.
39:20
And the dry skin brushing, now tell me, I was told that you should always dry skin brush
39:26
in a specific direction.
39:27
Correct.
39:28
So I'm actually doing that towards the excretory system, correct?
39:32
Like, so if I'm on my legs and knees, I'm going up, and if I'm on my arms, I'm going
39:36
up.
39:37
And if I'm on my chest, I'm going down.
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Well, the only time you really go down is this area here, right here.
39:43
If I'm on my belly.
39:44
If I'm on my belly.
39:45
If I'm on my belly.
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Everything else is up, yeah.
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Yeah.
39:48
The belly I'm going down to, though, right?
39:49
So I'm going to center mass pelvic area.
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Correct.
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And you want to utilize these notes here as well.
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So you'll be using everything that you have here and internally as well.
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That's great.
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And it just, easily way to get rid of bloating, warmly.
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Oh my god, yeah.
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Everything.
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If you do that every day, your lymphatic system, and then you get on a rebounder or a vibration
40:06
plate.
40:07
I've got a power plate next to my head.
40:08
Those couldn't work as well.
40:09
You do your dry skin brushing.
40:11
You do your deep breathing, dry skin brushing, pump everything, open everything before you
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dry skin brush.
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And then you get on your plate or your rebounder and go about your day.
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And that's the best way to go exercise afterwards.
40:23
You're already pumping.
40:24
The lymphatic system is open.
40:26
So when you're in the gym, you're better in the morning.
40:28
You're going to get your days just going to go even smoother.
40:31
Like your workouts are going to be more efficient.
40:34
That's crazy.
40:35
And again, to the point that your lymphatic system doesn't move itself, like you have
40:40
to activate it.
40:41
Like you have to be in charge of getting rid of all that garbage.
40:43
And what I like to teach my clients too, it's someone like you, like with a tummy tuck,
40:47
when we last rate those lymphatic vessels through surgery, they don't connect again.
40:52
So it's kind of like fluid just kind of in that area will stay stuck because they're
40:57
not connected and nothing's really filtering or passing through the way it's supposed
41:01
to.
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So it's important for you to use that dry skin brush and even manually massage around
41:07
that area because the scar itself, it can be beautiful from the outside, but remember
41:11
scars are deep and deep down, it can, it, there could not be good filtration in there.
41:16
And that's why you might feel like maybe you have a little bit more bloated down here
41:19
than you are up here.
41:20
That's because that lymphatic area there is that.
41:22
Do they ever reconnect?
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Really?
41:26
Science hasn't gotten that far yet.
41:27
But last I was, I was studying, they don't reconnect.
41:30
See, my doctor said that because I continued, then I acted up getting really bad, like
41:35
two months later, almost two months later, I felt like I just felt like I weighed 100 pounds
41:41
extra because I just couldn't get rid of fluid and he's like, well, what are you doing?
41:45
I'm like, well, you told me I could go back to the gym and he's like, wait, you're working
41:49
out.
41:50
And he's like, well, what are you doing at the gym?
41:51
And I'm like, why do you hit training every day?
41:53
And he's like, what?
41:54
I'm like, well, you told me I could go back to the gym and he's like, yeah, like a treadmill
41:59
when he's like, I wasn't saying you could, right, he's like, I wasn't suggesting you went
42:03
back to hit training.
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I'm like, well, go bigger, go home, right, buddy?
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And I had it done in like December and mid February, I was back doing hit training.
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He's like, right.
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And he's like, so I'm suggesting you get on a treadmill.
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You're doing burpees.
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And he's like, are you joking right now?
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And I'm like, sorry, like, and he's like, you're not doing any permanent damage.
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And he's like, so don't worry about that.
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And he goes, but what's happening?
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And he goes, the blood vessels and lymphatic system in that area is starting to heal and
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then you're tearing it apart.
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And then it's starting to heal and then you're tearing it back apart.
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And he's just like, it'll eventually get to the point that it's healing.
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He's like, but you're just going to deal with that.
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I think he was talking more about the incision and the area itself.
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I frankly, from all the research I've done and all the study and I've done the lymphatic
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vessels don't reconnect.
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And that's why like most people later in life ends up kept ends later in life end up
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in lymphedema, like what happened with my mom, the scarring from the air from the
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mastectomy was an allowing proper drainage.
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So now my mom has to wear a sleeve every day.
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She lives in South Florida.
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She loves a beach.
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But when she goes to the beach the next day she suffers because the heat makes her, makes
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the collection of fluid worse for her.
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So now she knows what to do.
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She opens everything.
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She knows how to drain her arm herself, but it's still a process for her.
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It's something that she has to be mindful, especially like if she has too much wine or
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if she's out drinking like all of those things play a role with your lymphatic system years
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later.
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Like I had a gentleman that had a mosquito bite and got cellulitis and now he has full
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blown lymphedema of his legs because of a mosquito bite and cellulitis.
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Now you're making me worry.
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Like I should absolutely be paying more attention to this and I just, what I told you just
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bring it early, just every morning, make it hard on your head to learn, yeah, I'm glad
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I'm glad I can help.
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My gosh, that's a fantastic thing.
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Let me ask you now, you run a clinic?
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I have a small spa here in Dallas and the Northern Dallas.
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I had a full spa in South Florida.
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I had a clinic, but because I'm new to the area, I'm in the process of rebuilding my
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best of the area.
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Just build your building clientele here in Dallas and I had a lovely book there and I left
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to be.
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But taking new clients obviously, right?
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So trying to build that book of business, looking to get more clients in, what all services
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does a lymphatic specialist offer?
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So my techniques are different.
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I do your traditional lymphatic drainage.
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I do post-op care as well after surgeries and I do, I have an athlete recovery technique
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that I pat and it involves gastromylates, the metal blades, but it also involves lymphatic
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drainage into it and cupping and red light and a whole bunch of different things.
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So I get a lot of athletes because of that technique before they go on stage.
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I had a lady that she was trying to go pro and bikini and when she found me, she went
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pro at 40 the first time and she was like, you were my missing link.
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She's been trying since her 30s and couldn't get her pro-card.
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She finally got her pro-card.
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And it was all just based on my recovery technique and I would drain her like two days before
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she go on stage.
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So when she went on stage, she was dropped, just shredded.
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It was beautiful.
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I'm on stage like, I mean, another crowd like, yes, you go girl.
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And I think that's, you know, especially now, as it relates to women's health, is there
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something specific about lymphatic drainage that's different from men?
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Yeah, the reproductive system of it, believe it or not, a lot of the postpartum like
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after birth.
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It helps a lot with hormone balancing, it helps with milk production.
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So that differs with women, with the hormone aspect of it for sure.
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Now I told you I was going to tell you a funny story before we ended here on this.
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This is a very true story because you mentioned that a lot of your story came out of having
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a C-section, which same type of damage actually deeper than the damage I had.
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But that you're going to laugh because so when I was an undergrad, true story, I was trying
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to take a PR class and it was a 500 level course and I was told that as long as I stayed
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through the ad drop period and I was 20, nothing years old and that the instructor would sign
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me in.
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So the last day of registration, the instructor initialed my ad slip and so on and so forth.
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I got to the registrar's office 30 minutes before they closed to officially sign up for
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a class that I had already been sitting through for a week.
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Right?
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Registrar says, you're an undergrad, this is a 500 level course, we can't allow you in
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it.
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I'm like, oh my gosh.
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I've been sitting here.
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I've been in class the entire week.
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Like you told me I could do this.
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And of course, I'm like freaking out here because I needed a full course load, but I had
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no more time to get an instructor to initial me into the class to override me, which means
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I had to only be able to sign up for a class that was open and had availability and I had
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30 minutes to do this, right?
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So I'm like, oh, I need another class.
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I'll just have to start a week late and another class, like what class do I take, right?
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So I'm like, what do I do?
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What do I do?
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I go to university in Michigan and I'm like, okay, like what class is available?
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So I'm flipping through and there was an anthropology class that was available and I'm like, that's
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fine.
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I'll take this anthropology class.
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I had no idea what it was about, but it was, you know, anthro 365 or something.
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I was like, fine, getting an anthropology class.
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So I left from there because this was like class started at 6 p.m.
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I was, it was 5.30.
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I end up going to the bookstore and I'm like, I'm looking for the book and I can't find
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the book in the anthropology section.
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I'm like, so I go over and this was like back in the day before all the online crap, right?
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So I go up to the lady at the book counter and I'm like, anthropology 365, I can't find
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the book.
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The class starts in 10 minutes.
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I got to get to class.
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Where's this book?
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And she's like, are you sure you have that number, correct?
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Like, yeah.
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She's like, all right, and she's like, well, anthropology 365 is whatever the number was,
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is cross listed.
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The book you can find it over in women's studies and I'm like, I'm, what?
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And she says, well, the book's over in women's studies.
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You can find it there and I'm like, oh, sweet Jesus, you've got to be kidding me right
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now.
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So I laughed and I went over to the women's study section like, because this is my 12 credit
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hours.
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Like, I have to have a full course load.
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So I go over, I pick up the book.
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The title of the book was Narratives in Childbirth.
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Oh, my God.
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I'm like, what just happened here?
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So I'm like, okay, dial in.
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So paid for my book, got to class, walked in.
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To mind you, I'd missed a week's full of classes.
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And this entire room full of Ann Arbor women are in this class.
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And I mean, literally, it was like, you know, teacher with, you know, Harry underarms
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and all this other kind of stuff.
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And I walk into this room and the teacher stops her lecture because I was late and she
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goes, are you in the right class?
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I'm like, I think so.
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Is this Anthro 365?
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And she's like, yes, I'm like, yep, and she's like, oh, well, this is great.
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We have a man in the class and it was, it actually turned out to be a kind of a fun experience.
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But like, I learned everything there is to know about C sections because the instructor
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was a midwife.
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So I have watched water berths, watch C sections, and I mean, it birth in the squatting
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position was one of the movies we watched.
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And it was just like, almost a traumatic experience, but it was, it was so funny because
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I learned so much about the necessity of after birth removal and, and all of this kind
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of stuff and, and hospitals versus homes and so on.
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So I, when you told me a C section and lymphatic drainage and whatever, I'm like, yeah,
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this actually reminds me of a lecture in college.
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So yeah, that was my, that was my dumb joint at women's study.
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I'm glad you learned something.
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Absolutely.
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Do you have children?
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I do not.
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Well, it's not because I'm afraid.
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But yeah, totally.
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It was just like, what in the world?
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So yeah, dumb things happen in my world and I just play along most days.
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Hey, you did it with, with Gray so.
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That's amazing.
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I'm so excited.
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We got to talk about this and excited.
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I learned about how to do better lymphatic drainage.
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For anybody who wants to get a hold of Dore, particularly those who are in the Dallas area,
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I'm going to tell you to look in the show notes and we'll have links to her clinic also
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to all of her personal, personal social handles.
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I am assuming that you are building a social network in which people can actually follow
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and learn about all this stuff on your Instagram.
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I'm sure Tiktok, whatever.
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Yes, yes.
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We'll get all of that information.
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Perfect.
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Yeah.
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Robust wholeness.
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Thank you.
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Robust wholeness.
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Yes.
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And that'll just help, you know, help your social engagement.
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Thank you so much.
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And next time if you have more time, I love to treat you to a session so you can feel
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it.
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I'm just going to go get a go to work out in and then let me give you an athlete recovery
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lymphatic drainage.
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You're going to, it's going to change your world.
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You're going to be flying a CV.
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I promised.
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That would be amazing.
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Well, I actually, I'm not confident.
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I actually get to Dallas pretty often.
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So I'm going to take you up on that.
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Let's do it.
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Oh, you better believe it.
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My treat.
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That's awesome.
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Guys, thank you for joining us here with Dorey Riker and I hope you've learned something
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because I sure have and that's the goal of the show, right?
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Thank you so much for tuning in and Dorey, thank you so much for being here.
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Thank you guys.
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Thank you for having me, Mark.