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360. A Lesson In Confidence: How To Own Your Worth, Embrace Being A Beginner & Tell A Good Story With Lauren Nemeroff · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: I'm a huge believer in the energy that you put
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  Speaker 1: out in the world is the energy that you're going
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  Speaker 1: to attract. And I think when you are passionate about
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  Speaker 1: something and you give your all to something, you focus
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  Speaker 1: your energy, your attention, You're going to get rewarded for it.
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  Speaker 1: It might not always be in the ways that you think,
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  Speaker 1: but you will. That goes for everything, for relationships, for jobs,
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  Speaker 1: for fitness, for health. You give what you want to get.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, everyone, Emily a body Here. You are
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  Speaker 2: listening to a Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where I
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  Speaker 2: talk to inspirational people about everything from their highest ties
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  Speaker 2: and toughest moments to essential tips on how to live
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  Speaker 2: a healthier, happier, more motivated life. We all go through
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  Speaker 2: our fair share of hurdles. My goal through these discussions
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  Speaker 2: is to empower you to better navigate yours and move
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  Speaker 2: with intention so that you can stride towards your own
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  Speaker 2: big potential and of course have some fun along the way.
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  Speaker 2: This episode is really special for me. You have all
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  Speaker 2: heard from one of my dear friends, Lauren Nemarov before.
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  Speaker 2: You've heard about her in my Paris recap episodes. She
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  Speaker 2: did a Questions episode with me as we were finishing
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  Speaker 2: things off at the Games last year, and if you
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  Speaker 2: follow me on Instagram you have seen me referring to
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  Speaker 2: her as my partner in crime. We are always getting
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  Speaker 2: up to something, so I thought it was about time
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  Speaker 2: to have this amazing photographer, co founder of Flow State
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  Speaker 2: Creative on the pod to share more of her personal story.
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  Speaker 2: It is such a special thing to sit down with
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  Speaker 2: her and really dive into all of the goodness today.
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  Speaker 2: Lauren is an in demand photographer and as I mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: co founder of this creative agency. She's worked with some
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  Speaker 2: of the best to ever do it within sport. We
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  Speaker 2: highlight Simone Biles, Naomi Osaka Katie Ledecki in today's episode,
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  Speaker 2: and she's also working with the top brands in sport
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  Speaker 2: and fitness, creating content that predominantly highlights and features women,
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  Speaker 2: which is something that we love. In our convo today,
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  Speaker 2: we talk about what it was like for Lauren to
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  Speaker 2: get started in this industry, the hurdles that came with
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  Speaker 2: starting her own creative agency, and how she combated imposter
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  Speaker 2: syndrome stepping into really big opportunities pretty early on. We
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  Speaker 2: talk about the importance of outsourcing and also this desire
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  Speaker 2: to never be the smartest person in the room. How
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  Speaker 2: important it is to have a support squad, people that
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  Speaker 2: you can lean into when you feel like it's hard
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  Speaker 2: to stand on your own two feet. We have all
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  Speaker 2: been there, and I really enjoyed our conversation about finding balance,
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  Speaker 2: or figuring out how to find teen when you're out
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  Speaker 2: of your element. It's something that a lot of us
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  Speaker 2: deal with on the regular, and Lauren admits that she's
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  Speaker 2: still trying to figure out the best way for her
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  Speaker 2: to come back to come when things around her feel
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  Speaker 2: a tad unpredictable. I loved recording this with Laura. I'm
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  Speaker 2: so proud of her. I feel so privileged to have
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  Speaker 2: a front row seat to witness her evolution as a
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  Speaker 2: creative and all of the amazing work that she is
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  Speaker 2: doing with Flow State. I'm her biggest fan. And we
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  Speaker 2: all need people in our lives that make us feel
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  Speaker 2: seen and heard and supported, and for me, Lauren is
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  Speaker 2: one of my dearest friends and she is one of
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  Speaker 2: those people, and so I could not be more excited
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  Speaker 2: to share some of her goodness with all of you.
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  Speaker 2: Make sure you're following along on social over at Hurdle Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body and subscribe to the
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  Speaker 2: weekly Hurdle newsletter. The link to do that, It's absolutely
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  Speaker 2: free is in the show notes. With that, well, let's
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  Speaker 2: get to it. Let's get it's a hurdling today. I
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  Speaker 2: am sitting down with Lauren Nemov. She is the co
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  Speaker 2: founder of Flow State Creative, a photographer based here in
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  Speaker 2: New York City. Lauren, Welcome to Hurdle.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Em I'm so happy to
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  Speaker 3: be here.
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  Speaker 2: It's your second Hurdle appearance.
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  Speaker 3: Yes it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's important to highlight that, Yes, a lot has changed
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  Speaker 2: since we first sat down, and obviously the nature of
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  Speaker 2: this conversation is very different than the one that we
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  Speaker 2: had the first time when we were gallivanting around Paris.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was pretty iconic time for both of us. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it's cool to be able to look back at
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  Speaker 1: that and see all that has happened since then.
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  Speaker 2: So much has happened since then. How are you doing
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  Speaker 2: right now? Really?
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, I mean we were just talking about this.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm transparently hanging on by a thread
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  Speaker 1: right now. But I always go through this process in
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  Speaker 1: my brain when I'm in these moments where I allow
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  Speaker 1: myself to feel that way but also recognize how grateful
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  Speaker 1: I am to be doing what I'm doing, living my
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  Speaker 1: life on my own terms. So it's fatigue and it's exhaustion.
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  Speaker 1: I'm tired and I get to be doing all of
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  Speaker 1: the things that I'm doing, and I wouldn't change that.
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  Speaker 1: I would find some more balance, But for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: it's all just a lot of gratitude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of gratitude, and it's still challenging to
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  Speaker 2: find the gratitude. It's like you can feel the gratitude
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  Speaker 2: and you can also be in this place where you
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  Speaker 2: are really damn tired.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly why are.
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  Speaker 2: You feeling like you're at the end of your rope? Brain?
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  Speaker 1: So, as you mentioned, my partner Sean and I own
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  Speaker 1: a creative agency called flow State, and we are incredibly
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  Speaker 1: busy right now, which I recognize is a massive privilege
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  Speaker 1: and we're incredibly excited to be But we're taking on
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  Speaker 1: a lot, and we're doing a lot. We're wearing many hats,
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  Speaker 1: and we are traveling a ton. I think I'm if
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  Speaker 1: you guys have ever heard of the app Flightly, It
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  Speaker 1: tracks all of your flights. I'm like at thirty right now,
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  Speaker 1: which is insane, and a lot of it's out of country,
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  Speaker 1: cross country, all these things.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a combination of just doing a lot and
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  Speaker 3: caring a lot about what we're doing and travel and
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  Speaker 3: trying to kind of find that balance and that routine
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  Speaker 3: within all of the chaos.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and finding the routine can be really challenging. What
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  Speaker 2: aspects of your routine do you feel like you upkeep
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  Speaker 2: or keep up with when you're on the road.
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  Speaker 1: That's a really tough question because I don't actually know, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that there's anything super consistent that I'm doing.
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  Speaker 3: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: I guess one thing would be planning my day day
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  Speaker 1: to day instead of you know, a monthly or a weekly. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is what my schedule is going to look like.
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  Speaker 1: One thing I do think that I've been practicing is
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  Speaker 1: you know, up in the morning or the evening before
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  Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, this is what my day is going
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  Speaker 1: to look like. This is where I'm going to slot
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  Speaker 1: in a workout, or this is where I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: slot in a nap if I need it, or and
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  Speaker 1: trying to break up my routine or my schedule or
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  Speaker 1: my plan into bite sized chunks versus trying to do
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  Speaker 1: it a week or a month at a time.
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  Speaker 2: So taking a look at your calendar first thing in
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  Speaker 2: the morning and literally making everything like an important meeting
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  Speaker 2: is how you find the balance within your day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, like hour by hour, minute by minute.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also hearing you say that you don't have much
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  Speaker 2: of an established routine when you're at home.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when we're at home, it feels like we're on
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  Speaker 1: a travel trip, because it's like we're coming back for
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  Speaker 1: a few days, regrouping, and then jetting off again. And
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  Speaker 1: so you know, it feels like there's not a ton
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  Speaker 1: of time to settle. So it's like having to truly
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  Speaker 1: just take it and bite, like I said, bite size
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  Speaker 1: amounts in order to work with the chaos that is
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  Speaker 1: the inconsistency of my schedule.
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  Speaker 2: Let's give a little bit of context as to how
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  Speaker 2: you became so immersed in this work, because you highlighted
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  Speaker 2: I feel very lucky to be able to design my
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  Speaker 2: day to day, and I know that's not something that
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  Speaker 2: you always had the opportunity to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny to think about it because you've
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  Speaker 1: been there since the beginning of it. I remember I
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  Speaker 1: first moved to New York in the fall of twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty two and we sat down and we had a
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  Speaker 1: conversation after I'd met you at an event and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Hey, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: A hurdler, let's grab coffee.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember having this conversation with you almost three
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  Speaker 1: years ago now, where I was in a corporate job
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  Speaker 1: and I was working in ad tech and it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: my passion. I wasn't super thrilled or excited about it.
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  Speaker 1: And so, you know, after moving to New York, Sean
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  Speaker 1: and I both started to jump into the creative space
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more. We both have backgrounds in it,
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  Speaker 1: picking up cameras and shooting around the city and meeting
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  Speaker 1: people and networking and just like immersing ourselves in the
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  Speaker 1: fitness culture. That kind of snowballed into us being able
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  Speaker 1: to quit both of our jobs that are in the
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  Speaker 1: corporate world and create this this agency that we have.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's been you know, two and a half years
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  Speaker 1: in the making at this point, and so we've continually
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  Speaker 1: built our client list, our relationships, our skill set, our
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  Speaker 1: you know, contractor lists. We've just built this kind of
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  Speaker 1: system that we're running at this point into what is
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  Speaker 1: now flow state creative.
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  Speaker 3: That's where we are now. But I think we're in
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  Speaker 3: the thick of it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if anyone who started a business or has,
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  Speaker 1: you know, entrepreneurial journey, knows that there are so many
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  Speaker 1: moments where you're like, I'm just grinding, you know, you're
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  Speaker 1: just grinding. Yeah, and you've got to, you know, get
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  Speaker 1: over those those humps, those hurdles, if you will, and
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  Speaker 1: just keep pushing through, because that's when that's the good
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  Speaker 1: stuff is happening.
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  Speaker 2: It's going back to that word. And I literally shared
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  Speaker 2: earlier today on my story, I was like, I am
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  Speaker 2: very overwhelmed, and I've got this, like I can be
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  Speaker 2: both and get to a place where you recognize that
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  Speaker 2: you are not your feelings and that your thoughts are
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  Speaker 2: just that they are thoughts that you have the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: then to interact with. There's power in acknowledging your thoughts
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  Speaker 2: but then having the authority to make the conscious decision
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  Speaker 2: of what happens next. That's a really really special place
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  Speaker 2: to be. You said that you're working with a diverse
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  Speaker 2: array of clientele. Give us some context on some of
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  Speaker 2: the brands or the projects that have really excited you
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  Speaker 2: over the last two and a half years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a former athlete.
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  Speaker 1: I played soccer in college and I've always been passionate
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  Speaker 1: about sports, specifically women in sport. Some of the athletes
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  Speaker 1: that we've had the opportunity to work with are in
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  Speaker 1: the WNBA, the NWSL, just some iconic athletes from Olympians
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  Speaker 1: to everyday runners that are female. I love to shoot
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  Speaker 1: everyone in sport, but I'm specifically excited about the women
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  Speaker 1: that I get to highlight and feature. I've had the
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  Speaker 1: chance to work with Simone Biles. Just to name one person, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I could name her and just like
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  Speaker 1: leave the podcast right now, but.
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  Speaker 2: Like also going to hype you up here, Naomi Osaka,
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  Speaker 2: Katie Ladeki. So many good names on that in the
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  Speaker 2: portfolio here, and it's been so awesome to watch you grow.
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  Speaker 2: I also want to highlight that you got to a
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  Speaker 2: point where you made the conscious decision to leave your
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  Speaker 2: nine to five. What was in place for you to
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  Speaker 2: feel good about doing that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I actually got laid off, So let me
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  Speaker 1: set the record straight there. We our company got acquired,
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  Speaker 1: and so I think it was like eighty percent of
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  Speaker 1: the company was let go, and at that time we
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  Speaker 1: Sean and I were talking about potentially starting flow State
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  Speaker 1: at around that time period. I am never I was
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  Speaker 1: never a risk taker like that. Never in a million
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  Speaker 1: years would I have ever done anything like that, especially
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  Speaker 1: having just moved to the most expensive.
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  Speaker 3: City in the entire world.
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  Speaker 1: That was not on my on my Bingo card for
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  Speaker 1: that year or ever in my life. But I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we had started to build up this momentum
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  Speaker 1: at that point, and the conversations were being had on
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  Speaker 1: whether or not that was the decision that we wanted
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  Speaker 1: to make, and Sean was really excited and could see
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  Speaker 1: the future a little bit more than I could.
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  Speaker 3: At that time. I was in my safety net. I
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  Speaker 3: was in what I knew.
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  Speaker 1: I was applying to jobs after I was laid off
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  Speaker 1: while continuing to grow flow State just naturally and organically.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't something where I, you know, was doing it
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  Speaker 1: necessarily to have you know, us both go full time
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  Speaker 1: as the end result. But Sean was watching me be
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  Speaker 1: able to do this full time when I was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in my layoff period, and he got so jealous and
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  Speaker 1: excited that he quit his job. Like a week and
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  Speaker 1: a half later, and at that point we both just
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  Speaker 1: kind of looked at each other and we're like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to do it. And we did it, and
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  Speaker 1: it was a very eye opening moment for me and
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  Speaker 1: I've just cherished since then.
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  Speaker 2: What did that experience teach you taking that leap maybe
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  Speaker 2: before you truly felt like you were ready.
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  Speaker 1: We were ready foundationally, I think that we'd done the
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  Speaker 1: work and what did that look like? Yeah, So, I
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  Speaker 1: mean that was a year of working and networking and
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  Speaker 1: showing up and doing shoots for free and just saying
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  Speaker 1: yes to everything. We said yes to everything, every networking event,
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  Speaker 1: everything we were invited to, were not invited to.
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  Speaker 3: We would show up and we would.
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  Speaker 1: Just be there and we just fully put ourselves in
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  Speaker 1: front of every single person in situation that we could.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, we were brand new, we didn't know anybody,
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  Speaker 1: and so it was really about saying yes. And from
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  Speaker 1: saying yes, we were able to kind of build up
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  Speaker 1: our clientele, We were able to get more jobs, we
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  Speaker 1: were able to kind of start to make a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of money working this side project, this side passion
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  Speaker 1: that we had.
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  Speaker 3: So that was like at least six to eight.
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  Speaker 1: Months of just building the back end, and then at
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  Speaker 1: the time you know that I was laid off, we
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  Speaker 1: had that momentum, We had that snowball effect rolling already.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily at a place where I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm you know, feeling super confident to
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  Speaker 1: do it, but there was some work in the back
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  Speaker 1: end that had been going on in order for me
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  Speaker 1: to at least feel like, okay, we would be okay
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  Speaker 1: for a few months even if it didn't work out.
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  Speaker 1: So I had to have something there to kind of
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  Speaker 1: propel me forward.
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  Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, you and I were having a
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  Speaker 2: conversation and I asked you if you knew or had
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  Speaker 2: a benchmark of how much money you felt like you
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  Speaker 2: needed to make every month to be okay AKA in
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  Speaker 2: New York. That's like pay your ridiculous rent and not
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  Speaker 2: have to stay in that apartment all the time, right,
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  Speaker 2: And you didn't have an automatic answer. I remember when
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  Speaker 2: I went on on my own, I had a spreadsheet.
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  Speaker 2: This is how much money you need to make, This
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  Speaker 2: is how much everything costs. Now. Am I good with
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  Speaker 2: keeping a budget these days? Absolutely not. It's literally one
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  Speaker 2: of my New Year's go every year, I have to
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: like create one listen to money with Katie and like
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  Speaker 2: get my shit together. But I still have a conscious
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  Speaker 2: idea of like how much money I need to make
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  Speaker 2: every month. So for you to say I just we
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  Speaker 2: have the ball rolling, I'm like, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You know I say that lately. I definitely was in
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  Speaker 1: a place at that time when I was using the
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  Speaker 1: money with Katie like wealth planner and like sticking to
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  Speaker 1: that like.
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  Speaker 3: So specifically and so religiously.
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  Speaker 1: And at that time I would say that I would
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  Speaker 1: have an answer to that question. I think now we're
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  Speaker 1: like in the thick of it, so there's just so
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  Speaker 1: much rolling. But I think that, you know, Sean was
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  Speaker 1: also a rock and an anchor and all of that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for that first six months, I had one foot in,
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  Speaker 1: one foot out, kind of just like Okay, if this
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  Speaker 1: doesn't work out, what's my backup plan? What's my backup plan?
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  Speaker 1: What's my backup plan? Until we were both like no,
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  Speaker 1: we got to go full in.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think anything changed when you switched that mindset
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  Speaker 2: from what's my backup plan to I'm going to go
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  Speaker 2: all in?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my got one hundred percent?
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  Speaker 2: What changed? Learn?
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  Speaker 3: Everything changed?
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm a huge believer in the energy that
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  Speaker 1: you put out in the world is the energy that
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  Speaker 1: you're going to attract. And I think when you are
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  Speaker 1: passionate about something and you give your all to something,
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  Speaker 1: you focus your energy, your attention, you're going to get
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  Speaker 1: rewarded for it. And it might not always be in
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  Speaker 1: the ways that you think, but you will. That goes
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  Speaker 1: for everything, for relationships, for jobs, for fitness, for health.
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  Speaker 3: You give what you want to get.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so by putting your whole self into your work,
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  Speaker 2: you found that more doors open for you and that
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  Speaker 2: more opportunities are coming to fruition.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And I say that knowing that it was a
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  Speaker 1: natural move for me. It didn't feel like I was
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  Speaker 1: forcing myself into something that didn't feel right. It's easy
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  Speaker 1: to say, like work hard or do more, spend more energy,
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  Speaker 1: work more hours. If it's not right, that's not the
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  Speaker 1: right path. It felt like this was something that we
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  Speaker 1: were meant to be doing.
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  Speaker 2: So doing it just you and Sean at the beginning
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: definitely presented some challenges. What would you say some of
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: the other biggest hurdles were from the infancy of flow.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: State, learning to run a business. Number one like just
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: the general education of what is right, what is wrong,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: how to approach things, how to sell yourself. I think
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: that probably was the hardest piece in the very beginning,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: was being able to talk about what I do. I
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: still struggle with it. I still struggle to say I
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: own a creative agency. In the first six months, I
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: would I wouldn't say it. I said, I'm a photographer,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: like I just you know, I shoot content like whatever.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: And I lowballed myself so much. I didn't show up
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: how I wanted to show up, and I didn't talk
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: about what the value we offered people the way that
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I should have because I was in this thick of
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: imposter syndrome.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: So you meet me, now, what do you tell me
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: that you do?
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: God, I'm still working on it. Okay.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: So I founded a creative agency called Flow State Creative.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: We are a creative production agency that focuses on storytelling.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: We kind of sit at the intersection of movement, identity,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: and culture. We work with athletes across all levels and
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: as former athletes, it is such a privilege to be
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: able to tell their stories from them on the court
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: or the field or the track or whatever it may be,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: to who they are as human beings.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: That was really good.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: How did that make you feel?
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: It made me feel good. I'm proud of us.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I still need to work on how I show up
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: in these places, but I've definitely seen a tremendous amount
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: of growth since we first started.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: And a tremendous amount of grace with yourself since you
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: first started. It's not easy to do something new, easy
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: to pivot, it's not easy to be a beginner. And
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: the amount of grace that you need to offer yourself
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: in the escalation of so much unknown is unrivaled. It's unparalleled.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: It's important. Yeah, was there a moment that you realize
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: that you needed to stop describing yourself as strictly a photographer,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: like a specific instance.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think that there was a specific moment, but
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I think over time I started to realize what in
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: who I wanted to become as it pertained to my company.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I love being a photographer. Being a photographer is such
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: a special thing to be. However, I wanted to present
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: myself as an entrepreneur. I wanted to present myself as
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: someone building this company that I am building. I wanted
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to show up as what I was, which was a founder,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: which is again still I still feel like Icky saying that,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: but yeah, so there wasn't a specific point, but it
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: gradually happen over time as my confidence grew.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: A big part of that confidence growing is the opportunity
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to work with not only so many distinguished athletes, but
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: also some really impressive brands. As you've gotten into the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: weeds with these companies as a female photographer, what has
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: become more and more increasingly apparent to you.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I don't see a ton of female photographers, especially in
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: sports and fitness, and I think that was something that
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of when I started in this industry.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I don't have a background in photo or film, and
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't go to school for it or was I
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: in it before this process, And so to be in
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: these spaces and see and hear just kind of the
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: lack of representation is very interesting to me. There's so
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: many more opportunities, I think now for brands and even
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: myself and our team to collaborate with female photographers and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: creatives in general. There's obviously a lack of of media
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: coverage for women's sports, but I think one of the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: solves there is to continue to uplift creative women in
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: these spaces.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Definitely, and it feels very invigorating for me to have
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: a front row seat not only to what it is
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: that you're doing and watching you have that vision, but
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: then also for me as a creative to be able
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: to call you up and be like, Okay, this is
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: my idea, how can we execute it together. I'm working
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: on this article right now for the inaugural issue of
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Run Her, and it's about the increase of female coaches
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: within sport, and it feels the same within our industry
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: right now. It's like I feel like, slowly, like the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: avengers are assembling and that maybe by LA twenty eight
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: there will be a collective of women that can come
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: together to holistically tell stories of women in sport in
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: a way that they haven't really been told before.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: So exciting and it's so true.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I think that the female gaze, the female perspective, is
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: so unique, and I think there's so much opportunity and
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: potential there that is untapped and the tides are hopefully
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: starting to turn.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: So speaking of the female gaze, I'm always so intrigued
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: by the thoughts behind the storytelling process. How do you
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: make sure when you are working with an athlete or
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: with your subject, that your photos are telling a compelling story.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: It goes beyond the camera.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I think that it starts with your relationship and your
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: rapport with them. Any good photographer, videographer, creative in general,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: or podcaster truly I know that you have the same
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: probably mentality with your guests. You sit down and you
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: have this conversation, You have these moments with them prior
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: to recording, similarly to how we have these moments with
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: our athletes or our subjects prior to shooting with them, like,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you have to create an environment that allows them to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: be themselves, and that's how you tell their story. That's
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: how you make sure that you are representing who they
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: truly are instead of, you know, a pose, stage moment.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: It's really about finding those organic, candid moments, and that
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: starts with the relationship outside of the set or off
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: of the camera.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I would imagine that that can be a bit challenging
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: the more high profile your subject gets to be, not
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: only because you might not have a ton of time
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to establish that level of comfortability, but also because candidly,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: they probably haven't experienced a lot of folks that believe
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: in that mentality as well.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: No, it's so true, and that we are in that
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: position a lot where we do not have a ton
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: of time with people, and nor do we have pre
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: production time or calls beforehand. A lot of times we're
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: just genuinely thrown into the fire and have to kind
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: of execute in these really small amount of times. And
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: in those moments, I think I'm pretty disarming. I think
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that I walk in with an aura of this is
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: going to be fun and light and we're going to
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: get what we need to get done, but we're going
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to do it in a way that feels comfortable, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: that I think is the difference.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: It doesn't have to.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Be this strict, harsh, you know, black and white thing.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: It's very much a creative flow. And I think that
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: you know, in those moments where I am tight on time,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that's that's how I go into them.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: How do you manage stress? How do you manage pressure? Giggles?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: How do I manage stress? And how do I manage pressure?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I I'm really working on it. I go to therapy
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: quite a bit to find these coping mechanisms for myself,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and a lot of times that is movement for me
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: truly again taking my day day by day and hour
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: by hour and making sure that I have some structure
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: in my brain for the lack of structure elsewhere.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: It's something that I'm that I'm working through.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: But it's small moments that I can find where I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: can reset myself, and it's leaning on my people as well.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: So you walk into a photo shoot and you've had
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: no pre time with an athlete, and you you need
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: to produce something and you have eighteen minutes.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, I honestly think I like blackout during these things,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Like I think, you know, one of the things that
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I've struggled with in my life is trusting myself, And
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: those are one of the moments where I fully just
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: trust myself to go into like autopilot in a good way.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Like I walk in and I just know that everything
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that I've done and I've worked for, and the things
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: that I've practiced and tried, and the shoots that I've
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: done in the past are going to show up in
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that moment.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: It's just like playing a sport.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: It's just like running a marathon or whatever you're doing,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: whatever challenge or athletic challenges that you have, you do
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the work so that when you show up for the competition,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you don't have to think about it. That's how I
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: go into these things when I'm strapped for time and
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: have eighteen minutes with you know whoever to make magic.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the magic can't always happen. So if you
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: had to identify or like reflect on over the last
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: two and a half years and where it felt like
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: it wasn't contained, where everything was going wrong, what comes
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: to mind?
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I think for me, it's it's managing the chaos of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the many projects that we have going on because it's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: not we don't have as many one and done shoots anymore.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of pre and pro production involved in it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: And I've had to learn to have tremendous grace with myself.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: So I have ADHD and like severe ADHD. And I
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: feel like that term is kind of overused, and I
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: think it's misunderstood, and I think people are like, oh,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I'm so ADHD. And if you have it, you know
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: how it can affect your life. You've seen it versand
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: to your life.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: So you know there's a lot of components that go
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of forgetfulness, it's a lot of there's
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of chaos.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Going on in your brain.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: You don't work the same way that everybody else works,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you don't think the same way that everybody else thinks,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and you kind of have to learn to work with
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: your brain.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Instead of against it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: And I think I'm unlearning all of these things that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I thought that I had to do in order to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: be a productive person or to feel like I have
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: self worth that's tied to that.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: And so I'm going through.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: This process right now of especially having my own business
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: and managing my own time versus working in nine to five,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: figuring out when do I find my flow, how do
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I balance discipline and organization with the grace of knowing
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: that I focus better at night or at ten am.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Or It's learning to kind of work with my brain
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: and the way that it wants to versus trying to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: fight it and get mad at myself if I'm not
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: working the same way that Sean's working or someone else
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: is working. And so that process has been challenging for me,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: being in these situations where I've never been in before,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: managing a million different projects and doing all these different
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: things and learning all of it at the same time.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: So It's been a process, but I'm getting there and
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I'm understanding how to work with myself and have ADHD.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I think it's so impressive this attitude and understanding of
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I am a beginner. Still there is still so much
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: more for me to learn, and I've never done this before.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: So how can I sit here and expect to have
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: all the answers? And you only get to be a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: beginner once. So being present in that process, despite its frustrations,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: can be such a valuable experience. Now two and a
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: half years in, you know so much more than you
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: did when we sat down and had coffee three years ago,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: so much that you never even anticipated to learn, and
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: you're doing things that you never even anticipated that you
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: would do. When I say that to you, how does
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: that make you feel?
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I'm so proud of myself. I truly am.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Something that I feel specifically proud of myself for is
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: my ability to stay super grounded and grateful in every
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: single project that we do.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: I never take anything for granted, and.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Every single day I wake up, no matter how tired
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I am, and think to myself, this is more than
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I could have ever dreamed of, and I never want
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to lose that, and I also never want to lose
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: my eagerness to learn. I know I don't know everything,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and I know I never will. That understanding is going
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: to get me so much further than how I used
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to be, where I would go into meetings or I
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: go into, you know, to conversations with people and try
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to act like I knew the stuff that I didn't like.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: It's the way that I opened up and my everything
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: just was opened up for me when I sat down,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I said I don't know everything. When I fully just
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: had a moment, I was like, it's okay, you don't
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: have to know everything. And if people think less of
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: you because you're admitting that, then they're not the right
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: people for you.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: It is okay. It's more than okay.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: It means that you're going to open more doors because
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you're willing to learn and bring things.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: In hard facts and then you open yourself up to
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: learn from people and that is the most beautiful, beautiful experience.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't want to be in a room
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: where I'm the smartest person in the room. I don't
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: know if that will ever happen in my life, but
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be in that room. Right. I
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: want to be in the place where I have the
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: opportunity to absorb like a sponge from so many amazing
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and wonderful people around me. I will never forget you
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: and I sitting at dinner in Paris when the opportunity
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: to shoot someone Biles was presented to you, and the
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: first thing that we did was call another photographer to
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: be like, Okay, what happens now. That was invigorating, exhilarating,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: and there was never a moment when we were standing
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: on that patio staring at the Eiffel Tower that I
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: thought to myself, we are doing the wrong thing by
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: admitting that we don't know everything.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And they were so gracious and so helpful, and I
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: think that goes to show that most people are willing
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to help you when you need it, and are excited
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: to help you. And you know, it's also paying it
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: forward and feeling like if you need the help, then
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: someone else probably needs it to And I think that,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I like to believe the good in people,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: but you know, this person specifically was just on it,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: ready to help. And that has been my experience, luckily,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: when I reach out for it.
• 31:14
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  Speaker 2: out for help. What was it like for you to
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  Speaker 2: start hiring people more regularly. How did that feel for you?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: It was definitely a learning curve. Sean had worked in
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: a producer role before, so he was very confident in
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: being able to lead the charge there. I think for
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: me it was it was definitely I'd obviously worked on
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  Speaker 1: teams and worked with people, and that wasn't new. It
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  Speaker 1: was more so the fact that this was a business now,
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  Speaker 3: Team that we were building.
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  Speaker 1: us growing our network and building relationships and having this
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: transactional process with someone while making sure they feel good
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and we're getting what we need.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: And so I think, you know, the business side of
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: things was very interesting. But also.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: From the personal side, I'm a mushy, gushy relationship girly,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: like I like to have these relationships with people, and
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it was like the negotiation of rates and making sure
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that like we had this very professional relationship but also
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: had a good relationship was something that I had to
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: kind of find a really good balance of and so
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: that was a bit of a bit of a learning
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: curve for me for sure. But we figured it out,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and I think we're building a really nice culture of
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: making sure people feel appreciated and excited and like they
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: enjoy working with us, which is obviously the hope.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really challenging. This I care so much about people,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: and also I need to do my job. This balance
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: of being kind but firm, being someone that people want
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: to work with, but also someone that people feel compelled
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: to respect, upholding your values and your moral compass while
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: getting a job done. It's so challenging. And I really
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: hear you and sympathize with you when you talk about
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: wanting to be everybody's buddy but then also needing to
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: get shit done. It's challenging.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: It's really hard, and it's really it's really tough. Because yeah,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I'm always a relationship first person and the kind but
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: firm is something that you've said to me in general
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: in the past, and I think about that all the time, because, yeah,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: it's easy, especially as a woman in some of these spaces,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: to feel like.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: You understand who.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: You are and what your goal is and you think
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that there's a certain way to get there, and there
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: should be.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: It should be through kindness and.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: It should be through collaboration. It's not always that way,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: and so understanding your boundaries and where you hold firm
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: is really important and something I've definitely seen growth with
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: over the past three years.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: The number one question I always ask myself when I'm
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: going into any conversation. Oh, maybe not any, but a
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: lot of the conversations is what's my goal here? Yeah,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: because by articulating what it is that my desired outcome is,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I can back in to what an appropriate approach could be.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: And when you are perhaps in the moment or feeling
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: a little bit emotional about something, it's completely understandable that
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you may react instead of respond. But when you take
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: that step back and ask yourself, what is my goal here,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: then you have this opportun unity to create a framework
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: that's not only likely more kind, but also going to
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: get you much farther than if you had just reacted
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: in the first place.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah that I think about that a lot. I want
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: to pivot back to your style, your strategy. My cousin
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: taught me this lesson and it was actually we were
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: sitting at Rodeo Bar, which is no longer in murray Hill,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: and I was deciding whether or not to pivot to
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: my first job as a fitness editor. At the time,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I was so scared. I was working as an associate
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: editor at a company where I got to cover everything
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: from news and entertainment to health, and there was a
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: love and sex vertical. Like I was all over the place.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I was trying to be Carrie Bradshaw. I felt so
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable writing in the love and Sex vertical that I
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: knew that I could never be her. But that is
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: not the point. I get this job offer to be
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: a fitness editor, and now like it is so laughable
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: to me because I cannot imagine my life in any
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: other way. But I was so scared to niche down.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I thought that I would get bored when you started
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: shooting within this space, within health, wellness and fitness. Did
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: you have any concerns about maybe staying too far inside
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: one box?
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Oh one hundred percent.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I think that was one of the biggest conversations that
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Sean and I had when we started to grow our
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: brand presence was who are we like? What who do
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: we want to to cater to? Who's our customer? What's
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: our niche? Are we are we CpG? Are we events?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Are we sports? We are we fitness?
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: There were so many questions that we asked ourselves, and
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I think that the funny thing is is that our
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: work and our progression kind of answered itself a little bit.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I think that we definitely knew we wanted to niche
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: down in some capacity, not sure how far we wanted
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to go, and so when we, you know, started, we
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: were like, we're in sports and well general wellness, you know,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: And that can be interpreted many different ways. But I
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: think that as we started to continue through this journey,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of our work has come naturally within the
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: sport and fitness arena, not only because of our profile,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: but because of what we naturally lean towards. I think
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: it felt organic to us, similarly to how you weren't
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: you know, going towards the sex and love you were
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, you went into fitness, and I'm
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: sure that felt more natural to you. So it was
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: one of those things where we knew what we were
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: interested in, we knew what we wanted to do. We
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: had this question raised, where did we want to expand
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: on that and explore how we could potentially fit into
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: a bunch of different markets.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, we were able to.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Kind of naturally flow into this space because it was
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: right for us.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: And does that mean you've turned down things that aren't
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: in the space.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: We have started to?
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: It depends on the opportunity. I think that a lot
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: of the projects that come our way are really well
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: aligned with who we are and what we want to do,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: which we've been very, very lucky with. You know, you
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: don't have the luxury of turning things down for the
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: first for a while, truly.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And we.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Still we turned down small things here and there. I
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: think that when we turn things down now, it's more
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: so because it's not aligned with who we are and
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the foundation of how we want our company to run.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: What would you say has been the most rewarding aspect
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: of this journey for you so far.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Bring people on projects that they would have otherwise not
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: had the opportunity to partake in, and so it's been
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: really cool to be able to bring people with us.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: It's like a rising tide lifts all boats type of situation,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm really excited about continuing to do that. I
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: also think it's been really rewarding to see my growth
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: and Shawn's growth just as people and kind of see
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: both of us break out of our comfort zones in
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: more ways than one. I'm really excited and feel so
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: passionate about our ability to uplift women's voices in sport
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: and fitness and athletics in general, and that platform that
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: we've kind of started to grow for ourselves.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: You say the word excited. What else are you excited
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: about when you think of the next three to five years,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: what's on the vision board?
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I can't even think about what's like for dinner tonight?
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, No, So I think you know this is a
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: great question, and I give myself grace in the sense
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that I know that it will likely evolve over time.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's so funny when side note when like
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: interviewers for a job will be like, what's your five
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: year plan. I'm like, that's crazy. The amount of things
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: that happen in five years is insane. But something that
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I know will not ever really change is the idea
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: that I want to continue to grow our female gaze
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: perspective in the space that we are in. And something
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: that I know I will continue to focus on is
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: uplifting women's voices in sport. I know that I want
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: to continue to tell their stories.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: I want to highlight them. I want to contribute to.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: The movement that is more media coverage for women and
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: sports and fitness. That will always be brewing in my
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: mind and I'm excited to see what we come up with.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: We were sitting at dinner on your last night in
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Paris and you were like, where do we go next?
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: And I said, we go to Italy. I didn't know
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: when I said that that the Winter Olympics would be
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: in Italy next year. We have nothing locked in. But basically,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: when I'm here to tell anyone who's listening to this
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: is Laurden and I are available, and we're a dream
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: We're a dream team, and we're available for the Winter Olympics.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: If you want to talk about smart ways, that we
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: can work together.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I love how she just puts it in the universe.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna put in the universe. I have no
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: doubt that you will be working at next year's Olympics
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: or la twenty eight, Like, I actually have absolutely no
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: doubt that you will be in those spaces. To anyone
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: who's listening to this, like, you would be remiss not
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to bring on Lauren and her teams to do stuff
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: like this. Well, I'm just like sometimes when I look
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: at the talent that's being hired no offense, like it's
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: gonna just be so much better. Let me just hype
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: you up.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I just girlies in the mix.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Get some girlies in the mix. What are you personally
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: excited about right now? I feel like all we do
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: is talk about work. But what do you like what's
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: going on in the life of Lauren that has nothing
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: to do with picking up your camera that makes you
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: really geek?
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I really love this question because I actually
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: have an answer to it, which if you would have
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: asked me six months ago, I would have been.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Like, work, work, work, so frond of you.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: So I've made it an intentional kind of shift over
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the past month or so to find things that are
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: bringing me joy outside of my work, because it is
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: incredibly time consuming. Right now, it is pretty much everything
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: always we don't shut off. But I'm running the New
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: York Marathon this year, and it is my first ever marathon,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: which is hilarious because like I've shot a billion of them,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: and I've been in the running community and done all
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the things. But I'm running New York and I'm doing
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: it for two reasons. One, we have an insane travel
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: schedule over the next three months.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: It's going to be absolutely chaotic, and I know that
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I need to take care of myself and my body.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Give me some insight into what insane travel schedule means.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, So for example, this week, this next three weeks,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: we're going to San Francisco and then Oregon, and then
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going to Cincinnati, and then we're flying to Paris,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: and then we go Paris to this little town and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's northern France.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Called teenie Tine.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: It's like up near the Swiss Alps. Come back to
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: New York and then in the summer we have four
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: more European trips and four more trips in the States.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: And when you do things like this, do you ever
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: tack on like a personal side quest?
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: For sure? For sure?
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: And that's something that I'm definitely going to make a
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: goal of ours, is we need to enjoy those spaces
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: that we're in. And it's not always easy because you're
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: exhausted and you're tired, like at the end of the
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: shoot or the end of whatever. But I remember being
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: in Paris with you and thinking, this girl has way
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: too much energy. But I left and I said, we
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: made every second count and I loved that, and you
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: forced me out to do all the things and I'm
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: so grateful for that because it gave me a perspective that, like,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I need to make sure these moments count and I
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: don't want to be sleeping in bed the whole time
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and I'll be tired.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Later, you know. And it's like I have to take
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: advantage of it.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: So you're running the New York Marathon, yaesh, I'm.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Running New York Marathon, and I I'm going to have
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: a training schedule, and I'm going to work with a
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: coach and I'm going to work with her to make
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: it make sense within my schedule. And I think it's
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: like having that grace again of knowing that I'm not
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: gonna be able to say, Okay, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I'm
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: gonna do these runs because that's pretty much impossible, truly.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Like I was on a fifteen hour shoot day yesterday,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: like I'm not getting to run in you know. Yeah,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: So it's understanding that these these shoots are happening, the
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: schedule is crazy, and making it a point to figure
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: it out and add it within my little daily scheduled routines.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: And that is something that I'm really excited about and
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I'm really I'm feeling very motivated for that's not work,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: and that's really exciting to be able to have that
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: different mindset.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I love that you're running the marathon for me. Over
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: the last few years, as my travel has ramped up,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I've gotten to this point where I recognize that I'm
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: gonna also need to take care of myself regardless of
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: where I'm at. So I think one of the best
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: things about solo travel is that you can make a
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: zillion dinner reservations or a billion different appointments, but at
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, when you wake up and
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: you're like, today is not the day, you don't have
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: to do anything. It mostly so case and point when
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: it comes to work trips. Last year, I did a
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: panel in San Francisco and I remember landing, having three
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: hours and thinking to myself, Okay, I am going to
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: find a sauna, and old Emily never would have done
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: anything like that. I would have been like, you need
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: to go to gear Delli Square, which I did anyway,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: or you need to go here or there. And finding
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: these little moments and pockets of self care and being
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: really honest with myself about where I'm at while also
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: trying to do my genuine best to like do the
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: things that excite me in these places has been a
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: really beautiful meeting in the middle for me to both
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: have an experience and make sure that I'm pulling my
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: oxygen mask down first.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: When did you feel that switch? When did you did
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: you have a moment where you're like, oh my god,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I have to start taking care of myself.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think that there was a specific instance like
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: that's something bad happened. But what I came to understand
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: was that I was traveling a lot and I could
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: not only reserve the moments of self care that brought
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: me joy for being in my home environment. So I
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: went through a pretty big phase where I loved going
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: to the sauna, so like I started seeking that when
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I was traveling or I remember being in Italy on
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: my first ever solo trip and having a night where
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: I had a reservation that I was excited about, but
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: I was just like, I want to go to bed
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: in forty five minutes, and this reservation isn't for an hour.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: And I walked downstairs and I got it to go pizza,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: and I went upstairs and I ate it and I
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: went to bed, And that night changed my perspective on
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: you have to be here, you have to be here,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: you have to go there. Does that mean that I
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: won't make a conscious effort to do an experience? Of
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: course not. But I had to get honest with myself,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: especially when I was just like in this eighteen like
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: city tour over three months. You know what I mean?
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: You are such a like an inspiration for me when
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: it comes to travel and working and taking care of yourself.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Because I don't I think we're in kind of a
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: unique position. I don't think this is super common for
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of people. I know a lot of people
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: that do travel for work, but I do think I
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: mean this, you know, can relate to anything in your life,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: but you're very intentional about it and you prioritize it.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: And I haven't had someone to look at and be like, oh,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: it's possible. But I look at you every day at
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: like five am, doing your things and like or whatever
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: time you wake up in the morning, and it's like,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: she does it and it's working, and it's like that is,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: you know, inspiring for people who are traveling or not traveling,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Just the consistency that you have with taking care of
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: yourself and making it a priority, which is in turn
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: going to make the rest of your day better.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you. And I think that I also look to
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: people who I see their diligence and I see them
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: doing things that I aspire to do, and so I'm
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: inspired by them, which then waterfalls to me, which then
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: waterfalls to my community. Yeah, and it's a really beautiful
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: opportunity that we have to inspire one another. And I
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: also believe wholeheartedly that good habits stem from not just
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: intrinsic motivation, but are cultivated and fostered by the people
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: that you surround yourself with. So not only good habits
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: in wellness, but also good habits, in striving for things
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: that excite you, in surrounding yourself with motivated and badass.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, men are great, but women that are striving
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: for more, that are doing more, and by doing that,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I then in turn feel excited myself to go after
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: the things that really ignite me. For sure, what do
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: you see when you look in the mirror?
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I see an ever evolving, always learning, excited, grateful human
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: that is doing the best that you can every day.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I can't believe you haven't mentioned Frankie in this entire episode.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: If you guys have ever seen Emily's Sorry with a
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: little orange Wiener dog, that is my son, Franklin.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: He is my whole entire personality. You're right.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: That was crazy. Been an hour. Wow, my goodness.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: I need to start an Instagram for him, but I
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: can't even have one.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I do, but I don't post on it because I
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: can't even post on my Instagram.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Like, but he is. He is just a joy, a joy,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: well not right now. He just got snipped, so.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Not so much as well. I only brought him up
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: because I'm thinking about how he would be running around
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: in the.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Back next time. I needed to bring him and we
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: can interview Frank.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: He sat in that chair. I know, it was so cute.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: It was so cute.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Towards the beginning of our conversation, you talked about one
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: of the biggest challenges for you as a creative was
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: learning how to trust yourself. And now you sit here
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: all of these things two and a half years in,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: knowing what you know. Now, what advice would you offer
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: to your younger self.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Trusting yourself in confidence go hand in hand. And the
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: only way to increase your confidence and therefore your self
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: trust is by putting yourself in uncomfortable situations, experiencing things
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: that you might have otherwise not experienced. Getting out of
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: your comfort zone is going to open up doors and
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: opportunities for you. But these two and a half years
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: have gone by, and I look back and every single
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: shred of confidence and self trust I have is due
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: to those experiences that I had, good or bad, that
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I got through, and that is where the self trust
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: has grown, and that's where the confidence has come from.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: And it's not the brands that I work with or
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: the people that I work with, which definitely helps. Like
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: to have that track record is not bad. But I
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: think it's like knowing that I went through a really
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable and challenging situation, not knowing everything, not being the
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: smartest or the most creative or the most talented person
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: in the room, still doing a really amazing job and
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: getting out of it alive. Essentially, that's something that has
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: kind of been enlightening for me over the past two
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: and a half years when it comes to confidence and
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: self trust.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: That was beautiful.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling so motivated and expired, expired.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Expired, I'm expired.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: I'm expired, aspired. Lauren's like, put me in bed. I'm
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: so motivated because I can speak.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: My God about you.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: For the hurtlers that don't follow you just yet, how
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: do they keep up with you? How do they follow along?
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Give us the details?
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Wait, it's so funny because sorry sidebar, but I went
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: somewhere in la and someone was like, are you Lauren?
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: And I was like yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: She was like, oh my god, Like I know, like
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I listened to Emily's podcast and I see you on
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: her Instagram all the time.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'm just over here traveling the world.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: No. It made me laugh because I just it was
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: such a funny moment.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Well, whoever that was, please DM us.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: And you can DM Lauren by going to her instagram.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's at l Underscore number off. And then our
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: flow State account is flow State Underscore Creative.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: And for all of the brands that are about to
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: be in your DMS, they can just be in your
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: DMOR you want to email you anywhere specifically, feel.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: For to DM me like a little nice little DM.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: I'll check it out. I'm over at Emily a Bodi
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: and at Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle Conquered. Catch you guys
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: next time.