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Debunking the Feminist Lies sabotaging you | Maintaining Frame 191 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining frame number
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  Speaker 1: one ninety one, debunking the feminist lies sabotaging you. I
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  Speaker 1: guess you had intended to like give me a different title,
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  Speaker 1: but you never did, so I just left the one
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  Speaker 1: that you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, it's it's fine. I had intended to look into it,
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  Speaker 2: but then I got into a discussion about immigration, single
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  Speaker 2: motherhood AI with the patron and then and then in
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  Speaker 2: Grock or Not grop perplexity. So it was it was
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  Speaker 2: a long, a long and interesting discussion. But I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure it may become relevant to this topic, but it
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  Speaker 2: may not. And also I was thinking, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if there is a better title for this,
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, let's just go with.
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  Speaker 1: It, all right. Well, so, just in brief, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be looking at this episode of Tucker Carlson's independent
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  Speaker 1: podcast series where he at the time he was doing interviews.
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  Speaker 1: I think these days he does a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: mixture of commentary and then some you know, some some
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  Speaker 1: accompanying footage and and data and then he brings on
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  Speaker 1: a guest. But at this point in his career, this
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  Speaker 1: was from a while ago, maybe a couple of weeks back,
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  Speaker 1: he had on Chris Williamson of the pretty popular podcast
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  Speaker 1: series called Modern Wisdom. And Chris Williamson is focused, or
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  Speaker 1: at least like his his wheelhouse, tends to be talking about,
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  Speaker 1: like I want to say, men, but not like in
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  Speaker 1: the men's rights way. It's more like a you know,
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  Speaker 1: like helping men better themselves kind of way, like the
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  Speaker 1: self improvement, like a life coach kind of thing. And
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  Speaker 1: they are discussing the the problems of men face and
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  Speaker 1: we're going to act to some of this. I think
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  Speaker 1: Janis Fiamengo, I guess, or maybe her and Tom Golden
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  Speaker 1: had done some reactions, you know what.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's might be where part of what I
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  Speaker 2: was cued into this. I actually read one of their
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  Speaker 2: reactions to this, so I think it was Janice. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was Janie. I could double check, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Sure both of them. I didn't see their reaction to it.
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  Speaker 1: I did. I did watch this this morning. I'm subscribed to.
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  Speaker 2: I'm subscribed to their subsets. So Tom Golden, Janie Fiamengo
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  Speaker 2: and a few others. So substacks, subsets, substacks, subset of
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  Speaker 2: the substack. How's that all right? So that I'm subscribed
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  Speaker 2: to them, so I do read their analyzes quite a bit.
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  Speaker 2: I recommend everybody, uh, Janice Fiamengo and Tom Golden and
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  Speaker 2: a few others. They are still like, uh, Bettina, aren't.
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  Speaker 2: They're still pushing. They're still pushing out some interesting stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So I recommend going to their substacks and subscribing. But
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  Speaker 2: I believe that this might have been part of the
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  Speaker 2: place where I saw it, and then it was also
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  Speaker 2: a patron recommendation. I'm sorry, guys, I'm like sort of
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  Speaker 2: blanking on the exact genealogy of how this got across
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  Speaker 2: our desks. But I figured it was worth responding to
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  Speaker 2: because well, Janie gave it the time of day, so
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  Speaker 2: let's go for.
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  Speaker 1: It, all right. So yeah, So, the as I was saying,
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  Speaker 1: this is a conversation between Tucker Carlson and Chris Williamson
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  Speaker 1: of Modern Wisdom. I already have a couple of time
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  Speaker 1: codes here, so this section is basically Tucker's like, so
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  Speaker 1: you're you're doing a tour and you get a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people at your tour, but most of the people
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  Speaker 1: who have questions and they're looking for, you know, guidance
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  Speaker 1: are men. So there is right there, you know, before
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  Speaker 1: we even get into it, there's already, like some a
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  Speaker 1: spotlight on an issue. So let's see this section here.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: What advice do you give young men who ask you
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  Speaker 3: what direction should I take?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think at least to start finding out what
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  Speaker 4: you're interested in is a good place to begin. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 4: one of the problems of giving any advice to young
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  Speaker 4: men is that we need to do this strange kind
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  Speaker 4: of land acknowledgment, this social land acknowledgment, before we start.
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  Speaker 2: Social land acknowledgment. I'm I'm getting a sense of what
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  Speaker 2: he probably means by this. But okay, but it is Christian,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it is a Chris Williamson, So I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he might go completely sideways to what I expect.
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  Speaker 2: Probably not.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see.
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  Speaker 5: Let's see, you're going to talk about the problems of
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  Speaker 5: young men.
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  Speaker 4: One of the first things we need to do, or
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  Speaker 4: typically that people expect, is well, it's very important for
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  Speaker 4: us to remember that women are still falling behind in
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  Speaker 4: this area. And it's also important to remember up until
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  Speaker 4: I can't even deal with that. You understand what I mean,
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  Speaker 4: though right there wouldn't never play along with that lie.
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  Speaker 4: There is this odd expectation that in order to talk
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  Speaker 4: about the problems of men and boys, we first must
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  Speaker 4: identify all of the other issues and plights of other
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  Speaker 4: more deserving groups.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, yes, And that's the tithes to the ideology, basically,
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  Speaker 2: the overwhelming narrative of our society, which is that women
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  Speaker 2: have it worse. Yeah, and we all have to tithe
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  Speaker 2: or not all of us, because we don't, but we
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  Speaker 2: tied to that narrative in order to support it, because
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  Speaker 2: it's basically an emperor has no clothes narrative. It's so
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  Speaker 2: like the more that I research certain aspects, unseen aspects
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  Speaker 2: of history, like the CCC camps basically the camps that
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  Speaker 2: indigent poor men were put in during the Great Depression
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  Speaker 2: were or forced into basically, and all of the the
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  Speaker 2: act the tremendous contempt that society puts men autonomy has
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  Speaker 2: for men's autonomy. The more that I read about that,
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  Speaker 2: the more ridiculous this entire notion that women have ever
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  Speaker 2: been oppressed relative to men is And of course feminists
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  Speaker 2: will always handwave the very evidence that denies their framework
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  Speaker 2: as patriarchy backfiring too, so it's more evidence of the
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  Speaker 2: very thing that actually discredits their framework. So of course
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  Speaker 2: we all have to tithe because it is, when you
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  Speaker 2: think about it, functional nonsense, and the more you look
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  Speaker 2: into it, the worse it gets. The worse this narrative gets,
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  Speaker 2: the more ridiculous and unethical and actually hateful this narrative
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  Speaker 2: becomes the more you look into the research, the academia
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  Speaker 2: surrounding it, it just becomes deplorable and indefensible. And yet
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  Speaker 2: we still have to do that because that's the nature
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  Speaker 2: of social power, or they have to do that, don't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you and me do we do? We
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  Speaker 2: feel like we have to tie to the goddess of women.
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  Speaker 2: I don't do it. Apparently Tucker is also pushing back
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  Speaker 2: on that too, which is a nice sign. It's interesting
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  Speaker 2: to see Tucker be more red pill than well, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I guess Chris Williamson's never really was super red pill,
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  Speaker 2: so he still conforms. Basically, he's just confessing that I
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  Speaker 2: still socially and emotionally conform to the dominant narrative regardless
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  Speaker 2: of its moral bankruptcy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I think he's acknowledging that it's
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  Speaker 1: that it's yeah, it's a it's a bullshit like expectation
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  Speaker 1: because he said, you know, well, you know, before you
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  Speaker 1: talk about men's issues, this is like what is sort
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  Speaker 1: of like instilled in us? And yeah, it's programming. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: responds to it like it's literally a programming people to
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  Speaker 1: start by saying, well, before I start talking about the
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  Speaker 1: group that we've all collectively agreed depletely arbitrarily is on
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  Speaker 1: top of everything, let me first start by saying that
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  Speaker 1: they're you know, the the other groups, the women, they
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  Speaker 1: also have problems. And I think that's the only way
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  Speaker 1: that that notion stays, like say, dominant, is that we
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  Speaker 1: just have to keep reciting the mantra to remind ourselves,
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  Speaker 1: you know, wait before we talk about men, let's let
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  Speaker 1: and it's also like to guard against people doing the
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  Speaker 1: what aboutism? Well what about the women though? And of
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  Speaker 1: course like that's on purpose. It's supposed to terminate rational
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  Speaker 1: thoughts so.
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  Speaker 2: You can like, you know, so actually I did find
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  Speaker 2: I did find risk. Janice Fiamingo's sub stack on this,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, she was not thrilled with the way that
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  Speaker 2: Christian Williamson conducted himself in this meeting or this interview.
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  Speaker 2: He does say that this is a this is pressure
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  Speaker 2: that's placed on but then he continues to sort of
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  Speaker 2: concede to it or submit to it. Least according to her.
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  Speaker 1: No, I look, I watched it. These guys are purple
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  Speaker 1: pilled at best, probably more still in the blue pill,
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  Speaker 1: but they are. I don't know why we have to
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  Speaker 1: be so absolutely uncharitable, like these people are working this
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  Speaker 1: stuff out, guys, Like can we just stop just attacking
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  Speaker 1: them because they're not red pilled enough, like they're on
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  Speaker 1: the journey. Okay, we have to like encourage people to
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  Speaker 1: arrive at the conclusion, like he's saying things that are
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  Speaker 1: already heretical by just saying that that's a heretical statement. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So let's please stop being so black pilled in the comments. Please,
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  Speaker 1: it's really hard to look at. We should be encouraging
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  Speaker 1: people otherwise I'm wasting my time doing this, Like I've
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  Speaker 1: been doing this for ten years, and no one wants
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  Speaker 1: to get better because they just want to be able
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  Speaker 1: to say that they're the only people that get it,
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  Speaker 1: and it's really annoying. So let's like, please, let's try
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  Speaker 1: to be encouraging. So, yeah, these guys are purple pilled
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  Speaker 1: at best. It's fine, they're not going to get it
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent, right, but I will give credit where
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  Speaker 1: credit is due. So talker says, I'm not playing that.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think we should also recognize where there
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  Speaker 2: needs to be progress.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I don't disagree with that. I'm if
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  Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that.
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  Speaker 2: If william if sorry Chris Williamson is recognizing this pressure
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  Speaker 2: but then ultimately conceding to it, then we should we
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  Speaker 2: should be honest about that. We should say you're you're,
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  Speaker 2: you may be, you may be recognizing it, but where
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  Speaker 2: it matters, you're still conceding to it. And I mean
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  Speaker 2: it's not it's I don't think it's like this is
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  Speaker 2: blackpilled to to point out that, yeah, they're on the path,
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  Speaker 2: but there's still is path.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's like, if you look at anyone else
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  Speaker 1: that's talking about this stuff, for most other people, they're
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  Speaker 1: still completely on the women have It Worse bandwagon, and
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  Speaker 1: if not, the straight up men are the men are
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  Speaker 1: criminal by nature? Bandwagon, These guys are not doing that,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that that is something that we should
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying we should celebrate, but we should take
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  Speaker 1: into consideration because this is not a simple process. It
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  Speaker 1: is not a simple process for people.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, but I mean, if Williamson says something
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  Speaker 2: that I don't agree with, I am going to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine, go ahead. I'm not here to tell
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  Speaker 1: you what like, I'm not here to tone police anybody.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to like offer perspective before we get
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  Speaker 1: into it, so so we know where people are. But
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  Speaker 1: there's another like two minutes or so of this of
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  Speaker 1: this section, So we're gonna, okay, go ahead, right, all right,
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  Speaker 1: And this.
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  Speaker 5: Is something the world is that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even I'm amazed at that requirements
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  Speaker 3: still exist or anyone takes it seriously.
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  Speaker 5: It's so absurd. Well it's a shame.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's basically you saying, I know, I'm about
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  Speaker 4: to talk about a group that you think might have
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  Speaker 4: previously been in a privileged position, but now it's really
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  Speaker 4: important that we talk about some of the showcomings that
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  Speaker 4: they're dealing with.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to show that I'm on side.
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  Speaker 4: I'm an ally and I understand how this is framed
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  Speaker 4: in the broader context of what I'm This is something
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  Speaker 4: that I've become particularly frustrated with.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, so he's still talking about the land acknowledgement,
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  Speaker 1: and this is the thing. I was never a big
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  Speaker 1: Chris Williamson guy because I watched Modern Wisdom and he was,
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  Speaker 1: and I think he still is in a lot of
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  Speaker 1: ways still like pretty like, you know, mildly pro feminist,
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  Speaker 1: right like, but I think that it's starting to like
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  Speaker 1: take a toll, Like the more of this he does,
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  Speaker 1: the harder it gets, because that's how it goes. Like
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  Speaker 1: you start off and you're like, I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: a galitarian and then you're doing the agalitarian thing or
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  Speaker 1: the complimentarian thing or whatever it is. Like Warren Ferrell,
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  Speaker 1: You're very gentle, and you still get lambassador attack. Like
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  Speaker 1: he's lumped in with the manosphere, right, He's lumped in
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  Speaker 1: with the Andrew Tates and the Nick fuentes Is and
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  Speaker 1: whoever else the Orthodoxy dislikes. And I think that he
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  Speaker 1: just says, well, I'm just gonna keep plugging away at
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  Speaker 1: this thing that I'm doing. And over time, I think
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  Speaker 1: he's starting to realize that like like being rational, being agreeable,
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  Speaker 1: being you know, sort of like subservient giving tithing the ideology,
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  Speaker 1: it's not wielding any grace, it's not yielding any results.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean he probably hasn't suffered quite enough yet,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that's just the way this goes. This
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  Speaker 1: is the process, you know, mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, this social and acknowledgment thing, the requirement is
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  Speaker 3: self castrate before saying obvious things.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we don't do it any opposite way, right,
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  Speaker 4: we don't say so, just don't do it at all.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to have a conversation about breast cancer. But
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  Speaker 4: it is important for us to remember that male suicides
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  Speaker 4: account for media as many deaths as prest countser do
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  Speaker 4: and men of falling behind in education and employment, and
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  Speaker 4: there are being these structure and now that we have
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  Speaker 4: done this, we can find the unto talking about breast cancer.
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  Speaker 1: didn't go to it. So anyway, Yeah, he's explaining like
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  Speaker 1: how this works, but we could go to ten Oh,
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  Speaker 1: let me see here, tennel three, tennel two. Here we
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  Speaker 1: are this is the.
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  Speaker 5: End of the add enthusiasm.
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  Speaker 3: Has it occurred that there's a connection between these phenomena,
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  Speaker 3: which well, that maybe men are in a dire state
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  Speaker 3: because they have been browbeaten and demoralized and attacked for
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  Speaker 3: their immutable qualities that they can't control that they were
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  Speaker 3: born with.
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  Speaker 5: And this is going on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I wonder right, well, I mean, what are
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  Speaker 1: those You have to understand that oftentimes he's he sounds
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  Speaker 1: like he's asking questions, but he's actually making statements.
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  Speaker 2: But go ahead, Oh, that's a very that's a that's
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  Speaker 2: a very pointed point. And but I would I would
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  Speaker 2: actually extend that to ask who gets to decide what
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  Speaker 2: those mutable, muted, ummutable qualities are? Like, who who's deciding this?
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  Speaker 2: Is it feminist framework around toxic masculinity? You know? And
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  Speaker 2: the other thing is that, of course, when feminists hear
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  Speaker 2: him say that men are being attacked for their immutable qualities,
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  Speaker 2: feminists will immediately pivot to saying, but we attack male
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  Speaker 2: socialization except the way that their their conjecture functions is
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  Speaker 2: the only thing that could possibly be the vector for
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  Speaker 2: masculine ideology, and it's one hundred percent penetration among men.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't even biological factors. It's simply the label man. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: Based on a biological category. There's nothing else that can
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  Speaker 2: explain why what they term as masculine ideology, which is
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  Speaker 2: all of the evils that they ascribe to men, has
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  Speaker 2: a one to one penetration with the word like the
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  Speaker 2: legal and biological label man. So when he says I
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  Speaker 2: mutable qualities, what he's talking about, if you actually look
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  Speaker 2: at the feminist conjecture, is simply being a man. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: The biological category of X Y, that's it. That is
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  Speaker 2: the immutable characteristic that men can't escape. And of course
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  Speaker 2: feminists describe all kinds of criminal and anti social behaviors
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  Speaker 2: to that biological category. And then they handwave by saying, no,
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  Speaker 2: we're actually talking about an ideology. That's why they refer
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  Speaker 2: to masculine ideology rather than masculinity, because they want to
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  Speaker 2: say that this is something that men chose, that this
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  Speaker 2: is a belief system that men chose, so that they
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  Speaker 2: can condemn men without running a foul of the very
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  Speaker 2: serious ethical questions of creating categories, creating biological categories that
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  Speaker 2: are born criminal, which is what they've done with men.
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  Speaker 2: But the other thing is this, what are these immutable characteristics?
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  Speaker 2: And it literally is just being identified as a man
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  Speaker 2: based on your genetic structure, that is the immutable characteristic
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  Speaker 2: that men can't escape, based on feminist theory and the
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  Speaker 2: fact that if you are born x y, you will
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  Speaker 2: have what they term masculine ideology, which is all the
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  Speaker 2: social ills that they subscribe to men and only men
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  Speaker 2: stamped on you. And that is effective and functionally in
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  Speaker 2: every real sense. Simply declaring a biological category born criminal,
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  Speaker 2: which we have have so much like ethical condemnation of that.
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  Speaker 2: Because of how it has been used in the past
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  Speaker 2: for eugenics, how it's been used in the past to
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  Speaker 2: justify genocide and marginalization segregation, this narrative is subject to
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  Speaker 2: severe constraints in academia, except in one situation when a
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  Speaker 2: group of people, namely feminists, declare men to be born
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  Speaker 2: criminal and I'm talking about the ethical like the I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if I have like a really good way
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  Speaker 2: of visualizing this, but this is a massive ethical breach,
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  Speaker 2: and feminists would say to him, oh, it's because of socialization.
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  Speaker 2: And yet they're using that as a fig leaf to
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  Speaker 2: hide the fact that they have constructed a bio essentialist category.
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  Speaker 2: They have earned a biological category into born criminal. Yes
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  Speaker 2: and so, And that's the other thing. Like people operate
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  Speaker 2: under this. They can't correctly condemn feminism for what it is,
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  Speaker 2: which is a eugenesis supremacist narrative. So it is basically
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  Speaker 2: a supremacist narrative based on genetics. Because when you declare
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  Speaker 2: half the human race is essentially criminal because of a
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  Speaker 2: because of a biological marker that you are ascribed male
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  Speaker 2: at birth. If you say that half the human race
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: is criminal, it's born criminal. That is a eugenesis supremacist narrative.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And yet feminists get away with it because we allow
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: them to pretend that they're appealing to socialization, that that
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: actually it's men who are being socialized to being criminal.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: It's not that they're just criminal by virtue of their birth. Somehow,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: there is socialization force that's making every man, regardless of ethnicity, class, culture, religion, nationality,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: every single man on earth is being inoculate and inculcated
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: with this criminal miasma, like this criminal framework it's being
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: stamped on him somehow. But there is no socialization mechanism proposed,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: so there's no mechanism proposed. So it functions since there's
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: no mechanism proposed, It functions as a biological as saying
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: someone is criminal based on a biological category. I know
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: this is some abstract stuff, so I'm probably losing people.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Just suffice it to stay that feminism is hugely unethical
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: and has been operating in an incredibly unethical space for
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: its entire existence, and the fact that we need to
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: tie to it is appalling.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: It's it's wrong. Right now, feminism should be being investigated
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: for massive ethical breaches because this this stuff doesn't just
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: stay in their little academic cyst puss filled cyst. It
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: leaks out into policy, It leaks out into political positioning,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: It leaks out into services for survivors, It leaks out
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: into academia, where it's used to inform how to treat
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: vulnerable boys and what to tell them when they're young
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and they're developing. So this is like, this is this
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: is just.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's keep going all right, Like forty years and
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: all it has done is destroyed men and make women crazy.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Like the whole thing is just terrible. It's like the
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: worst thing that's happened ever in the West. So like
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: maybe there's a reason and men have no direction and
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: are addicted to porn and a million other things because
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: they're told constantly that their lives don't matter.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, the worst thing ever. Probably. Yeah.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of structural changes, And what's really
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: interesting is the how this has come in to land
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: existentially psychologically, like comically within men. But the structural changes
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: are what I think kicked a lot of this going.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: So education and employment are the two big ones for men.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: In education, it seems like the current education system was
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: always set up in a manner that women girls were
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: going to overperform in they had the brakes put on
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: them for a while with regards to encouragement at all.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Right, pausing there, So he's what what are you are?
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, he's talking out of his ass. Yeah, like
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: we are now hearing Chris Williamson's ass speaking.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's still like that's the thing though, It's it's
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: almost like I have to say for and I know
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: this happens like a lot of people they have a
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it's almost like I don't know, like some trigger in
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: their brain that that's that's like, no, no, back up.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: You gotta like we gotta include women in a positive
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: way now, Like like I'm not kidding. It's like some
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: kind of like you know, mental thing that kicks in
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: and they're like, wait, let me quickly pander and they
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: can't help themselves. And I think it's I've seen it.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it's get It's not something that people are
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: consciously doing. I think it's like something that just kicks in.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: It's like so deeply embedded in us that people have
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a hard time not making that exception that that that comment.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Know, mm well if I could, if I may. I
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: think it's because he has, as most men do, an
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: identity that center out centers around protecting and providing for women.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: So exiting that identity is psychologically fraught, right, So if
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: he has in order to talk about these things, he
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: has to conceptualize himself not as a protector and provider
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: but a being with inherent worth, and that's difficult. So
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: he has to put all the like the the the
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: training wheels out and the you know, get the water
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: wingings on and get the padded helmet, and he's like, Okay,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I'm braced. I'm going in the danger spot. And you know,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: like maybe people like you and me, and well maybe
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: not me because I'm somewhat female, but you know, like
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: that our audience, they don't need to have all of
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: the water wings and the and the training wheels and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the padded helmet all of this other and then in
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: the kneepads and that we can just be like, Okay,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: we're going there. But somebody like him, he's probably very
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: deeply invested in protecting and providing women, and that defines
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: his identity to a great degree. So when he talks
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: about issues, he says, Okay, well now we need to
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: focus on men. But don't don't get me wrong, I
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: still recognize, you know, the importance of female victimhood and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: being able to save women. So I think that's the
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: impulse behind it. It's not really it's not really like
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: a negative thing, but his pervasive it's it's such an
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: annoying thing, you know, it's just like, just shut up
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: about that, just for a little bit, like just you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: we're not gonna if we care about men, we're not
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: gonna suddenly be like, ah, let's just all kick those
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: women into the trash. Even if men get readily upset
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: at women, I doubt that we're going to vastly change
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: how men are structured, you know, to like. I know
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: that there's some pushback on this, but I would argue
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: that there is a lot of male instincts around protecting
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: and providing for women and children, and that you're not
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: going to change that by simply acknowledging the problems that
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: men have. In fact, what's going to end up happening
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: is men are going to be able to solve those problems,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: and then they're going to be better.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And use their solved, their new fixed state to better
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: to better women and children.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely ridiculous, and part of the part of the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: reason why we're stuck in this this feedback loop is
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: because feminists have convinced us that men's inherent nature towards
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: women is predatory. So we think we have to cling
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: to these narratives to prevent I don't know, dead deadly
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: or deadly I don't know, snidely whiplash from coming out,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: you know. So he's like, oh God, I better I
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: better get my I better get my anti snidely whiplash
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: defense in place at least I become him. It's like, well,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: that's that is directly because of feminists like blood liable
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: against men. They're unsupported assertion that men exploit women for
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: their own benefit, which if you look throughout history is
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: ridiculously false. But anyways, so I mean that's where I
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: think that comes from. Yeah, you have some sympathy he's
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: he's he's he's the matrix has him, but he's he's
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: trying to uh extricate himself. I suppose a little bit.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: They're going to struggle with this stuff. Yeah. And and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: also they're looking at well, I don't know, like, yeah,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: they're looking at solutions or potential solutions that have that
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: are not i'd say they're they're they seem accessible, but
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: they're they're not practical and they're either they're not I
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: don't know, like they're not tried enough. So like anyway,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: let let's just let's go to the next bit here.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: If you're a white man, you get few opportunities period.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: And it exists, and no one's done anything about it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: By the way, despite lots of no we're going to
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: fix it, no one's even tried to dismantle it.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: So what is that?
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: But I think a lot of men feel like the
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: difficulties are dismissed out of handel.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean again.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, sir, they are dismissed out of hand.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: You just went through saying that, just went through that
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: we have to frame. We have to have constant caveats
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: and reframing and make sure that everybody knows that we're
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: not challenging women's role as victim of society. You know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: we have to do this constantly. Tiptoe. I mean you've
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: just said. You just also, I wanted to say that
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: this discrimination in education is not new. This is something
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: that has been happening to men since like the nineteenth century,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: let's say the turn the turn of the eighteenth and nineteenth.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Men have always had more difficulty with getting proper education. Well,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: once that education was there was it was seen as
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: more of a civic duty to bring it to the
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: lower classes. Men were always struggling with this stuff like
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: struggling with attendance in school, struggling with literacy and all
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: of that because men were often used for their physical abilities,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: so you don't need to be literate to pull a plow.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: You don't need to be literate to put down train tracks,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: you know. So there's always been this pressure on men
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: to get a job early, whereas women stayed in education.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Like this is something that people don't recognize in rural Canada.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: It used to be like the graduating classes of high school.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: For example, my husband's graduating class graduate in like the nineties,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: His graduating class was three fourths female, and the rest
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: of the boys had been pressured to drop out and
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: get labor jobs, right, and they and they were significantly
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: like in terms of their academic achievement, there was a
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: significant gap. But nobody talks about it. Nobody talks about it,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: nobody cares about it. So to say that there was
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: some kind of pressure put on women to be less
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: in the past, that's absolute excrement. There's nothing supporting it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, Like, I appreciate that Chris Williams is
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: struggling with these things, but could he actually struggle with
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: some actual facts right and recognize these situations.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean again, like you know, probably working with
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: whatever the information of the mainstream was. I think that
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: if you ask a normy person on the street, if
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: like you know women were tonight education or rules in
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the past, like ninety nine point nine percent of them
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: would say yes, And you'd actually have to like go
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: out of your way to the work to learn the
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: truth about that.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Why is he behind a microphone talking about this stuff?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that for I don't think his his
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: normal content is about women though, so I think his
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: normal content is generally aimed towards men. Talker's asking him
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: a question, and not in the same way like that
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: like MRAs do. It's not like, you know, the kinds
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: of issues that would put us on a path to
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: learn about how how well men do in fields like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: education or labor or agriculture or the military or whatever,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: because that's not what he does. He just brings on
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: guests and they talk about things like health and fitness
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and dating and apps and you know, social media usage.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: So you're not gonna get I don't think he's gonna
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: end up in that in that vein because and so
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: he's because he's not there, then he's just not gonna
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: know that. He's gonna go with whatever. What is it
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: that everyone else believes the women were oppress in history?
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: And both of these guys would both of these guys
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: would believe that, by the way, and yeah, I mean,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I guess shame on them. But want my point is
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: most people think that. So it's like understanding that, like
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: bluepill people are not bad people, even if it's their
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: job to talk about men and women like they're just mistaken.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So we're just pointing it out. That's fine, no issues there,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: but like you know, let's.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Like get educated.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. Look, one time we
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: had a guest on Greg Ellis. Greg Ellis was an
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: actor friends with Johnny Depp, and we got really lucky.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: We but we did a response to him once and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: he had the same kind of like blue pill talking
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: points about men and women, and I think that he
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: kind of justified the me too movement. And I think
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: it's all the same stuff that people will do even
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: as they're about to make criticisms or at least discover
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that things are not what they thought, and so they
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: start by making some criticisms. But despite that, and we
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, rake the move the coals
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: when we did a response to Greg Ellis. But despite that,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: he came on our show and talked to us, and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I remember that he like He didn't say, you know,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you guys hurt my feelings and I want an apology.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: He didn't do anything like that, but he did say
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: something about the way we responded to him that got
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: me thinking ever since that day that like, maybe we
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: attract more bees with honey than with vinegar. And so
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do for my own part is
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to have a series of videos where
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: we respond to people who are trying to do the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: right thing, even if they're mistaken, and we're just bringing
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: them all on to call them cucks of some kind
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: like track cucks or live cucks or feminists positive feminists
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: or whatever. I just want to know, look are you doing.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: You said this, this is correct, this is not correct,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: and just leave it at that. And I think because
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I think you're though, no, I know, I know, I know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I know you're not. But but I'm saying, like, this
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: is why I'm doing what I'm doing. That's all I'm saying. Okay,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to be like fair and I don't
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: want to misrepresent or be uncharitable to people who are
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: mistaken but not necessarily going in the complete wrong direction.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And I don't think they're being like dishonest or disingenuous
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: or subversive. Like I don't think everyone who's talking about
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: this stuff is my enemy. Some people are just you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: they're on the right pack the track, but they're maybe
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: they're a little off here. Some people are a problem,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: and I'll call them those people out, but like that's
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: just where I'm at, like in my head with this.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: So I think that Tucker and Williamson are they're not
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: they're not trying to make things worse for men. They
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I think they do see that there's a problem, and
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: they acknowledge that on some level it is the problem,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: like it's the most important problem. Like fuck Israel and Palesine,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Fuck Ukraine and Russia, fuck the whole Trump thing, fuck
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: the Epstein list, fuck all of that. Like if you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: don't deal with the men in issue thing, that you're done.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: And they even get into South Korea and stuff like
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: that in this conversation. So because of that, I will
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: wave a flag for them to keep going, while you know,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: while occasionally saying, well you know that this this is
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: something you probably don't know, right, So.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, all right, So you don't know Chris Williamson.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: You don't know the history of education and discrimination.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Does any education And the thing.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Is a lot of what got so many men in
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: education in like the fifties and sixties was the GI bills.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Are you going to really begrudge these guys coming back
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: from a war and actually being able to go into
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: education and become and get higher paid jobs as a result, Like, seriously,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: that's incredibly not cool. Okay, let's uh yeah, So.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think I do. I need to know I
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: got place more so this section they this already has
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: some time codes, but this section is called why female
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Happiness is in decline? Not because they're really concerned about women,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: but they're looking at like both sides of this, like
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: has feminism helped women?
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Sure? They are like that, they also are trying it
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to together.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I mean that's not the focus. I think that this
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: because I watched this video. So I think it's because
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: they're like, well, you know, feminism is obviously shipped for men.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Is it good for women? Oh no, it's not good
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: for women either, right, So.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: It's not good for anybody whining from a patriarchy.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: It's good for the Democratic Party, huh, It's good for
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party because single people vote overwhelmingly Democrats.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Not just women labor general.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Right, it's also single men. So if you can actually
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: drive a wedge between male and female and keep people single,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: then you are encouraging you're actually creating Democratic voters. So
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: just consider that. Just consider that. You know, understand that,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: you know, our society, most societies are all societies sort
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: of live and die on the health of their breeding colony.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: And the Democrats have made a political they have made
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: it a political boon to themselves to destroy it. So
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: might want to consider that. It's a thought, you know, yeah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I know it's partisan, but it's a thought.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: It feels like men in the modern world being made
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: to pay for the supposed advantages of their father and
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: their grandfathers.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: And said, suppose it. It's not necessarily bring them their
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: wor advantages. But this is true. It's like men are
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: men are expected to pay wages that that their their forefathers,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: never like they didn't benefit from right again, in fact,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: their forefathers probably had worse lives.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like, I mean, how can you say that
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: like that? The there are three million men who put
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: through the CCC programs and they were actually really deadly.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Like the this is these are like the the labor camps.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: They weren't called forced labor camps, but men were put
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: in there on if the if they were indigent and
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: they were rounded up, they would be said, okay, well
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: you can go to jail or go to the camp.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: You know, you can get a fine that you can't pay,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: or go to the camp. If they were in a
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: family that was on any kind of assistance, if you
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: were an able bodied young man, you were expected to
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: go to the camp or your family would be kicked
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: off of assistance. So and they're whatever wages they made
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: at these camps were sent home to their families to
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: offset their assistance, you know, and and of course you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: in some cases their alternative was starving. So in every
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: possible way this was coerced and they were forced into
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: these camps. Three hundred million or sorry, not three hundred
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: three million, that's that's not way too big. Three million
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: were forced into these camps and they did hard labor.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: And the death rate was higher than the high like
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: double like the highest UH industries, like the death rate
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: of the most dangerous industries today. So this was this
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: was very grueling work, grueling, dangerous work these men were
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: coerced into, and then they they basically phased those work
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: camps into the mobilization of soldiers in World War Two.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: So forced labor during the Great men were experiencing forced
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: labor during the Great Depression for the great crime of
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: being poor. Then they were experienced forced labor during World
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: War Two for the great crime of being born male?
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so that what are you talking about the
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: benefits of the past. Yeah, I laugh, it's not funny,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: it's just horrifying. That logic is absurd. That's what's pain.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay, it calls these guys to check out.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: I mean the term toxic masculinity, right, Think about that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Think about saying, there is something about you which is
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: so inherently broken. It's like original sin. There is this
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: part of you it's.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Worse because original sin you can actually redeem yourself. Toxic
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: masculinity is exactly what you were saying, Alison. It's it's
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: claiming something is socialized, but in reality you're you're framing
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: it as biological, like it's determinist it functions biological because
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: there's no solution to toxic masculinity.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: No, complete, there's the only solution is complete submission to feminism.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, even then, though, even then, though, you're never free,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: because that's not the purpose of the dialectic. You're supposed.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: This is not a great This is not a great
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: phreeze fro him the pause phase.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a little deep down that needs to be expunged
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: in some sort of a way or exercised. There is
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: a bit of you that's broken. If you want to
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: prove to guys that they are not welcome as a
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: part of this conversation in a communal, collaborative, compassionate way,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: I think that's one of the best ways to get
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: them to switch off.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: I mean there was a collective.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Well, yes, of course, it's it is. It is a
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: narrative of submission. You are broken unless you submit to us.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: And that's where socialization comes in. It justifies the expectation
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: that men always submit to women. So funnily enough, the
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: the pathogen that spreads toxic masculinity through the populence is biology,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and so that's it's your x y z or your
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: x y chromosomes are the source of your disease. But
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: the solution is socialization through feminist framework. Yeah, that's uh.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: And and at no point did did did the academics
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: who should have stopped and said wah wah wait wait
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: wait wait wait wait wait, we've gone down this road before.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: At no point did they actually push back against these
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: and actually say, no, wait, if you're going to propose
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that this is all socialized, feminists, you need a plausible
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: mechanism of socialization for what you're terming masculine ideology. Otherwise
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: it's just it's just a biological category that you are
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: claiming is born criminal.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: All right, do you want to say anything about like
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you want anything?
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Sure? Oh yes, right, I forgot to say that before
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I get into that. I do want to say that
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: you can't reverse the causal arrow here. That's what feminists
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: are doing. They're saying, well, the solution to toxic masculinity
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: is socialized. Therefore, it's not a bioessentialist category. Herpadert, No,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: it's not the way it works. You need a plausim
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: plausible mechanism of socialization before you can assert that your
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: conjecture says it's socialized anyway. So yeah, if you guys
• 43:34
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• 44:17
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• 44:21
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• 44:26
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• 44:33
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• 44:36
  Speaker 1: here comes the rage bait. Let's let's get into this.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: This is probably going to ruffle some feathers.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Strap in for this one.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: Uh, Tolgo hypothesis was one of my favorites. This is
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: one of my others, and this is the male sedation hypothesis.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: So to our history There is an idea called young
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: male syndrome. If you have a high number of young
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: unpartnered men, they tend to be anti social. They push
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: over cars and set granny on fire and cause revolutions
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: and uprisings and stuff like that. If there has ever
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: been a society throughout history that has lots of unpartnered
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: young men, they tend to cause problems when men get
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: into a relationship.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: They test us run drops exactly.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: All right, this is not he's just setting it up.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: He's saying in the past, when you had like a
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: society where there were a lot of men who did
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: not have spouses or families, they would become they would
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: tend towards anti social behavior, is what he's saying.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Okay, they have kids that test us run drops again.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: So in this regard women very much. Do domesticate men
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: make them more pro social. They reduce their risk taking behavior.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: This is good.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: If you've got a baby at home, you need to
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: not think, oh, just jump off that cliff for fun, Like, no,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: there's a kid at home, chillatly. So historically there has
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: been a tendency for these kinds of societies with high
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: numbers of unpartnered young men to close problems, given that
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: we have got high rates of sexlessness displacement among young men.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: In the respond to this, Yeah, go ahead, I don't
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: think that's accurate. In fact, there is data that indicates
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: that higher numbers of men are more associated with social stability,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: and not just that there's this, it's not the okay,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Compare the amount of destruction caused by young men getting
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: into wars that societies have decided are important versus any
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: other category of destruction. Right, this is like the most radicalized.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Like if you, if you really think of the most
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: destructive narratives, they're the ones that society pushes on young
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: men to go out and go kill other young men
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: to solve its social it's social, it's political problems, and
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: it's dimplocatmatic problems. So I think that this is and
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: also this is like, I really think you need to
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: think about this narrative, I mean really hard, because criminal
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: behavior in young men is a minority. It's not common, right,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: and a lot of criminals are criminals.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Not technically, So yeah, hypothesis, it's it's his theory. It's
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: his theory. He could be wrong. He's obviously wrong, I think,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: But well, I mean.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Like, it's not a consistent thing. They haven't found it consistently.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: The other thing is that when they do find it,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: what is the what is the relationship between greater numbers
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: of men and displacement and economic you know, disenfranchisement. You
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: have to untangle that. So it's like it's it. I
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: don't think it's as strong a finding as he's suggesting
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: it is. And the other thing is is, Okay, well,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: we've liberated women from almost all the social constraints on
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: their sexuality. Are they indicating to us that they without
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: those constraints that they go for men, tame men, conscientious men,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: men who are good providers. No, they go for excitement,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: They go for the narcissistic personality, personality style Okay, they
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: go for good looking and bad or are what was that?
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Does he fuk? Good?
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: That's what they go for. Want to go to the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: club and leave their kid with their sister or their
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: mom or something.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they go for. So there there should
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: be some thought put into the idea that conscientious young
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: men like uh like might be drawn to Christianity or
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: might have been encouraged to develop more in Christianity. Who
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: have a belief system around chastity themselves exert a moralizing
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: and taming force on young women, right, Because if you
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: are in a culture where men see their sexuality and
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: service of God and community and not outside of it,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: then the women have to conform to that too. If
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: they want to have fun times, they got to get wedded, right,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: And we are seeing what happens when we completely liberate
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: women sexually from any consequence. Have they created a utopia? No?
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Have they created tamed men. They're reversing that. So maybe
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: there's something to it to actually, because this is the thing,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: like where where are all of these licensatious men being
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: rewarded and encouraged? Certainly not in Christian communities and certainly
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: not as you go back in the past in the history,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: in history and the communities that were very much about
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: pursuing uh sexual control and ethics. Right, So I mean,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: can we consider that that also had a civilizing effect
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: on women considering what we're seeing now, like, oh man,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: this is this this angel in the house? Traditionalism, I
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: swear it's it's it's we gotta we.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Gotta read Chris Williamson is at all like trad But
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: but I mean again, these guys are blue pilled normies,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: so mostly purple pill at rest. But I don't know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: all right, uh so there should be Yeah, let's some
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: more to this.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Is it that we haven't seen the concurrent kinetic outcomes
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: of this?
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: So he's saying this is he's assuming this has happened historically,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: and he's asking, so why hasn't it happened now? So
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: why hasn't there been like, like, you know, a bunch
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: of men, you know, destroying everything whatever, acting out, chimping out?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Well, because when does he think, Okay, has there ever
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: been in history a bunch of men who just chimped
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the hell out because of no reason because.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: They just old? He brought up this, he brings up
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: this anecdote or this this uh story of these elephants.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's one of the time codes. I
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: could get it if you want. That's supposed to be like,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: you know, like evidence to back his claims that there
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: were these elephants and they and they needed to move
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the elephants from the herd from one place to another
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: with helicopters, and but they couldn't take the bull elephants
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: because they were too heavy. So they they took the
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: young elephants and the females, and they've form to this
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: other place, and the bull elephants didn't have any females
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: to mate with, so they ended up like just killing everything,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: like animals and trampling, you know, like rhinoceroses and shit,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: like they were killing the rhinos. That's what he said.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: And that's sort of like an example of what he's
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: getting at, I guess, or like where he gets his
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: theory from. So I'm just letting you know where he's
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: pulling this promise, not from nowhere. But that doesn't necessarily
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: mean it's right because we're not elephants. But anyway, so
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: let's play some more.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: It's my belief that men are being sedated out of
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: that status seeking and reproductive seeking behavior through video games,
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: screen porn. So this is not enough of a dose
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: to make men happy, but it is enough of a
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: dose to stop them from going nuclear banding together causing
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: some sort of an uprising.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: So if you call this a hypothesis rather than just
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: an obvious.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Fact, ah, I mean I probably should call it a notion.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: I think for a hypothesis, you actually need to properly
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: do a stuff. I'm just gonna state it as what. Okay,
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: let me play some more fautable reality truth. Yeah, but
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: I think that.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so, so he believes that men are sedated
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: by you know, uh, stimulus like drugs, alcohol, food, video games, pornography,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: so that they don't organize a revolt and like you know,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: overthrow everything or whatever just cause the chimp out. And
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I know, and Tucker disagrees with that. Uh so yeah,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: that's that's his that's his theory. Go ahead and yell
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: if you guys want.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think he disagrees with it. I think he
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: does agree with it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: No, he does. Yeah.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Now I think that, yes, men are being anesthetized. I
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: don't think it's for anybody benefit.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: No, No, Tucker doesn't think it's to their benefit either.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think it's because it's like, why
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: would you even start with Okay, I know this might
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: end up being too critical, but why would you even
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: start with this whole hypothesis of young men chimping out?
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like they're grasping for answers, and that's
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: what I think. I mean. He even said admittedly that
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: it's not really a hypothesis he thinks of a bit
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: more like a notion. Tucker basically says, no, this is
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: a biological fact. But I think they're both wrong. I mean,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: you know that, like it's really easy and tempting to
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: blame porn and video games, which is like, I know
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: that that's like the thing that's going to really piss
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: people off. I think that men, like women, can be
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: addicted to anything, and I think it can make them
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: into like relatively unpredictive members of society. I don't think
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: that there's an argument that can be made against that.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think every man who plays video games is
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: in that position. I don't think every man that smokes
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: weed sometimes is in that position, or drinks or gambles
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: or watches TV or sports or magic cards, just like
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think every woman that reads, you know, Morning Glory,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Milking Farm or Fifty Shades of Gray is like a
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: useless lump of shit. I think there are some people
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: who have addictive personalities and they get into something and
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: they can't they don't have the way to get out
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: of it, and I think they've always existed. I think
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: that like when you when you take away the medium,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: whether that's social media, because he said screens, social media,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: doom scrolling, video games, pornography. But you can just change
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: that to something else, like whatever people used to do.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: We know, TV, gambling, drinking, and it's a lot of
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: people still do those things. So it's it's not a
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: it's not an issue of the medium. It's it's the person.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: And we have to be able to discern the difference
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: between someone who enjoys a pastime and someone who uses
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: it for dopamine hits because they have nothing else going on.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: And those people don't need our ire or shame. They
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: need our help, right, That's what I think.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: So I am looking at my feed and it is
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: full of this feminist who is declaring that Grok is
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: harassing her.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Because did you be like that, mister Stanton, because.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: She's okay, So I said something, and I'd like, tex,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I can't I had grokfort analysis?
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Did?
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: She responds to Grok, and then Grok responds to her,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: and she responds back, and now she's saying that she's
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: being harassed by Groc. Oh God, this is a joke.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Just stop talking to it. And she's also referring to
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Grok as a hymn. And this is freaking hilarious stuff.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, anyway, so let's keep going on video games.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: What is it that it gives men? It gives them
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: a sense of progress, of camaragerie, of goal seeking behavior.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: And you know, for winding down half an hour a
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: couple of nights a week, perhaps that's a cool thing
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: to do. But when it completely consumes your life because
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: you don't feel like you have agency or progress or
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: you can make changes in the real world, so you
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: supplant your real world pursuits for video game pursuits. We
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: all realize that there is a dose dependent curve that
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: beyond which you are spending too much time in the
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: virtual world. The same thing goes to screens. This is
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: the sense of camaragerie and group seeking behavior that typically
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: you would have gotten by going out and doing something,
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: and shit would have occurred due to that. Again, says that,
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: all right.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: So they know that they're the irony of them being
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: on a screen right now too, not I mean, not untrue.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. The video games thing is not
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: a cause. It is, if anything, at best, a symptom.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: But again, it's just like any other pastime, just like
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: any other hobby. So if men don't feel welcome in
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: the world, then it's not their fault, you know, we
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: have to like look at the root of the problem. Also,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: are you distracted? Are you still on age? We're not.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: We're not doing this video anymore.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going back. I apologize. I was on GROCK
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: because I wanted to see an analysis of the data
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: around excess of male population relating to social disorder. And
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: then I got distracted by this feminist who's who has
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: spammed my notifications with her allegations that GROC is harassing
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: her or him. I don't know who knows. So I
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: just thought that was and then I and then and
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: then I went down the rabbit hole. I'm sorry, I'm back,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: I'm back.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: I want to touch it. So anyway, so let's go to
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: the next one forty nine. So that's about fatherlessness. And
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: this is a big one here.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: So I think that talking about inequality and talking about
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: class problems is a really important They shouldn't agree more.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: Fatherlessness is the real inequality. Of course, boys who grew
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: up apart from their biological father are two times more
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: likely to end up in jail a prison by age
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: thirty fatherlessness is a better predictor of growing up in
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: incarceration than being poor all that race.
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: Young.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: What's the fix?
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: What's the fix? What do they say is the fix?
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: This is the They say that we got to put
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: fathers back into home, but they don't get into like
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the legislation stuff or anything like that. Yeah, and they also,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, they also don't get into the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: deadbeat dad things. I know that's the thing that you
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: see a lot where they're like, well, you guys got
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: to raise your kids. They don't do that either. I
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  Speaker 1: think that the I don't know if they talk about
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: the incentive structure, because that's the problem. Let me see
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  Speaker 1: if I can get let me see if I can
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  Speaker 1: get a fatherlessness. Can I get to this this section
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: here depression? Let me see, I'm trying to see there's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: more about the father thing. It goes on for like
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  Speaker 1: two minutes. No, another minute, so we can listen to
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  Speaker 1: some more of it. Okay, but yeah, this is all
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: obvious stuff. This is like my my big thing I'm
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: hung up on is putting dad back in his proper place,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: and that's going to require us to push the state. Well, actually,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: you know they've already made a big change when they
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: what was it the default shared custody that made a
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  Speaker 1: massive dent already and the other thing I found out
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: that's the thing I shared with you, Alison. Are you
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  Speaker 1: are you listening or.
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  Speaker 2: Are you I'm listening. I'm listening.
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  Speaker 1: Where it showed the that divorce is a social contagion
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  Speaker 1: m and that when a woman gets divorced, other women
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  Speaker 1: who are her friends that are married are more likely
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  Speaker 1: to get divorced too because they want to feel like
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: like it's a it's a social contagion, divorcing your man.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, but it's true. So the opposite is also true.
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  Speaker 1: The if you are married and you stay with a
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  Speaker 1: man and you are friends with other married women who
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: are you know, with kids and stuff, they're more likely
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  Speaker 1: to stay married because they don't want to lose their
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  Speaker 1: social group, Like they don't want to lose that connection.
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  Speaker 1: And it reminds me of an episode of Mad Men,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: or like one of the first the first season there
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: was a and I know it was presented like you're
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: supposed to feel really bad for this character, but but
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: in Mad Men, it's was it. Don Draper is married
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: and his wife I forget her name, but the actress
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  Speaker 1: January Jones. They're they're like moving into their new place
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: in the suburbs, and all the women have kids and
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: their men, you know, their their husband's work during the day.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: It's like it's all they're very much the trad con
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: set up or whatever. But there is one woman that
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: moved in that's single mom or yeah, she's a single mom,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: and all the other women are like stunning her and
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: treating her differently and stuff. And we're supposed to feel
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: really bad for the single mom and she's like, you know,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: not happy about it. I don't I don't know, like
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember what the conditions of the divorce were,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. And but it's it's interesting because this
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: is like literally like the opposite of what we are
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: now like living with where most like single moms are
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: very common. And there is something to the social contagion theory.
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  Speaker 1: I think that women will they'll mold their lifestyle around
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: the women that are around them, so and it's got
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the men, right, So, so divorce
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  Speaker 1: is potentially a social contagion.
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  Speaker 2: M hmm. But you can actually stop all of this
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  Speaker 2: without shunning or anything. By simply the.
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  Speaker 1: Institute fifty custody, and then it'll take on a life
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  Speaker 1: of myself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe if the single mom has taken pains
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: to keep her, her ex and her children's lives, she
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't need to be shunned.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, okay, So I got some comments on the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: special chat.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you really want to go there?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: All right? I mean just briefly. So one, well, something
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: on the main chat. Somebody said this a couple of times,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: so I'm guessing they want the attention. Let me see
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: if I can find it. Somebody asks about game, trying
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: to see where where it is. Maybe I missed it. Uh,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: let me see. Sorry, I don't see anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it had it had something to do with teaching.
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  Speaker 2: Uh what do you think of teaching men to get
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  Speaker 2: women through game? I don't have a problem with it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care, but I just say that, like, that's
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  Speaker 1: not really our focus. My thing is is that I
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: don't want men to get destroyed in divorce court or
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: get used of something that. Yeah, and that's that's like,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: no matter how much game you have, you run the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: risk of that. So I know that I know there
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: are people that are like you know, dating coaches or
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: whatever that I'll tell you just game her forever and
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: you'll never get in trouble. But that's bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: I get the super challenging dot com slash just the tip.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Come on, when one says, are you a fan of
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: the critical drinker? Yeah, he's all right.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: I think he's okay, Like, yeah, he's okay.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's still like trying to like stay
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: out of the you know, out of this conversation. But
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: he's trying to do this coming for you, there's no way.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Like, we are in the process of absolutely destroying our
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: economic system, and the only way to rebuild it, as
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: far as I know, is to revisit the issue of
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: the relationship between men and women, because every economic system
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: has that as its foundation.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I know that people hesitate to realize this, but that's
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: the first economic transaction, is that between men and women.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: That's the first, that's the very basis of all of it.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: That the verses of the trust that underlies our economic systems.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: And we are about to face a one hell of
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: a crisis. Like I don't know how we're gonna I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: know that usually we muddle through, but this one is
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: quite the thing, Like, like I've said before the fact
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: that AI companies are thirty percent now and if they
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: were ever to ever to justify the amount that their
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: shares are worth, most of the human race would have
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: to be unemployed. So in order to actually not have
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: a serious market correction we'd have to destroy our consumer
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: based economy entirely. It's like, it's it's this Morton's fork
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: is it's coming, and it's it is. It is something
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: like who knows, who knows what will happen, But I
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: would imagine that the solution will probably come from where
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: we're mining it right now, which is men's that is
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: the relationship between men and women.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back to the video.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm more likely to end up in jail a
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: prison than they ought to complete college if they grow
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: up in any non intact home. Boys in fatherless homes
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: twice as likely to grow up with depression. Girls in
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: fatherless homes are ten times as likely to grow up
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: with depression. So a big question there is is this
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: generation really depressed or did they just grow up without dad?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Big? They grew up without dad, stop you there. They
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: grew up without dad because they live in the most abundant,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: the safest, the most technologically advanced, the most like protected
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: society of history. But there are no fathers, so there's
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: no cause for depression other than they don't have the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: dad there that provides like all of the various social, cultural,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: and even like biological and chemical things. That's why girls
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: are all on ssriys and boys are you know, in
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: the shape that they're in. So and this is the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: thing too that just real quick, this is the thing
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: that actually does annoy me a lot about people in
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: this conversation is they still are getting this like, well,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: men have to do something. But the problem is, I mean,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree because women aren't going to. So that's
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: the reality. Women are not going to do much. Maybe
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: just stop shitting on men is a good start, But
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not putting all of my eggs in that basket
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: of like women changing things in some drastic way because
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they have any incentive to and they're
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: just gonna like they'd rather just ride out everything to
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: make themselves happy and not actually try to do something
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: for the greater let's say, the greater good of society.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: But but we have to understand that those men are
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: like they're they're two or three generations out of a father,
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  Speaker 1: so they're like, they're completely crippled. Like we have crippled them.
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  Speaker 1: So now we have to help them, not shame them,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: not berate them, not blame them, but help them to
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  Speaker 1: get up there on their feet and like tell, encourage
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: them and build them up. That's what we have to do.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: And it's not to feed an ego. It's because they're crippled.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: We have crippled men, zoomer men and millennial men in particular,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: and alpha men are probably like, I mean, they're too
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: young now, but soon they're gonna be adults.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, all right, let's how many more timecodes
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: do we have.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: For the Well, that's all of them. I do have
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: some on uh feminism where they discuss feminism a bit.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's something of interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at that. Let's see what they
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: have to say.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: About so we got one. Let's see criticism of mono feminism,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: teaching women that true liberation means having sex like their
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: brother and working like their father, or there's a conversation
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: about female freedom. There is there is something kind of
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: interest they talk about me too. I don't know if
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: you want to see that.
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  Speaker 2: Where do they get sex like their brother, Like in
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: the past, their brother would be you know Christian two.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about the past. I mean I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: think they mean like how they perceive men today.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but why do they think that even even
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: if if men can handle casual sex more, look at
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: the outcome here, right, Like the outcome is not official
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: on a fun functional level. And I don't understand why
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: there's this, this this ever present belief that there's so
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: much like encouragement for young men to like it certainly
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't exist in more conservative communities as far as I
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: can tell, Like the sluttiness is not supposed to be,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: like both men and women are not supposed to do it.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: But regardless, let's let's hear what they have to say.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to fifty nine forty five.
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  Speaker 4: I think that if you are a woman who is
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: a mum and has daughters or is looking for partner,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: has a partner and wants the partner to be increasingly
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: good for you, you should be as passionate, if not more,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: about this problem than we are. Oh, of course, the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: very the very fact that men are being sedated out
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: of being more useful, is creating precisely the dearth of
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: eligible men, Patnas that you are probably conscious of.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: Striving women insane. I mean, I've never seen more crazy
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: women in my life. I think if men as crazy
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: and women as kind of stable and steady and women
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: in my life, are you see women hitting each other
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: in public, screaming, endorsing violence, Like I don't even recognize
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: that behavior, and I think it's.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: What the but like women are more like I'm thinking
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: women are more likely to advocate violence against and I
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: like say, I'm thinking because I don't have conclusive data,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: but there is data being worked on, and it's starting
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: to look like women like gen Z women are way
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: more violent than gen Z men, even though they don't
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: necessarily act on it, but they often do with each other.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Hmm yeah, okay, let me check. No, uh no, it's
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: been sort of a quiet day. I wonder if it's
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: a super oh cool, We're finally got a superchowel.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Yay. Betty Adams gives us five dollars and says, I
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: cannot stand for this elephant slander. It was not the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: bulls left behind that mrked the rhinos. It was the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: young elephants without bulls. Fewer male elephants meant more aggression,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: and they fixed the problem by adding some senior males
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: in Okay, that was my bad. I just misquoted him.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: He did say that. He did say it was adolescent
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: males that were left behind.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, that is a good point. Like literally,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: he says that it's a it's too many males, and
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: then they solve the problem of violence by adding more males. Okay,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe you need to distinguish between types of males. Okay,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: let's uh, all right, let's continue.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: It's so depressing to me, and I think that's all
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: a reaction, that's all frustration over this question. Men and
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: women need each other. There are no men, and because
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: they're you know, wasting their energies doing pointless things, and
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: it's driving women like bonkers.
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  Speaker 5: They seem crazy, they don't they seem a little crazy
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  Speaker 5: to you.
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  Speaker 4: I have not, perhaps as you the women in your life.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: I'm not around very many crazy women, but I'm not.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: I'm never around crazy women.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: All the women in my life are like completely stable,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: and they help keep the men calm and less crazy.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: And that's I think the way it was designed to work, and.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: It's like you are one weird outlier, Tucker. Yeah, well
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Tucker lives in an enclave of autistic women.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I don't really know. I mean, they're they're
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: I think that women that are perhaps women that don't
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: want for anything, are probably like less of a problem
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: than women who are anxious about the future. And I'm
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: guessing that because Tucker is well off financially, the people
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: around him are also are, so they're and they're probably
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: all older, so they're probably all level headed. And that's
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: probably true of everybody. But like if you look around
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: online or whatever you're seeing, I don't know if it's
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: a subset, but it's like it's a different it's a
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: different jungle.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Hm hmm, okay, fair enough, all.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Right, Oh, as a man, my boobnure for eighty six
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: is what do MRA think of game? It's a tool,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: but it won't protect you from divorce, child custody issues
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: and false allegations. Just let you know. But yeah, man,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: have at it if you want. Just remember what you're
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: getting into. And that's what we're about is warning you.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, So then we got a conversation about female freedom,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: questioning the evidence that women wanted freedom. WHOA, it's a
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: little bit uh one O two forty nine.
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  Speaker 3: A life that pre liberation, Prebetty for Day and glorious Steinem.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: It was just it was the Handmaid's Tale. It was
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: just a hellscape, forced pregnancies and servitude to the patriarchy
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: and some guy and a wife beater beating his wife
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: was just. But there's no evidence of that at all.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: Like we have public opinion polling on this. Have you
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: ever seen any that showed, like, I don't know, even
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: a large percentage of American women pre nineteen sixty five
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: are like desperately unhappy.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: I've never looked at ah I have. It doesn't exist.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: That's all bullshit, interesting, all propaganda or like a small
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: subset of unhappy women. There's always a small subset of
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: unhappy people, all right, and then.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: It's increased massively since then.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, So he is this is good because he's
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: questioning the patriarchy of yesterday, right, of which is bullshit.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: So that's that's a I mean, I think that's good. Uh.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: One more thing I want to get. I want to
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: find I thought was a bit of a.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: Uh ooh, we need some I'm finding stuff music.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: No, I already got it, already got it, okay, okay,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: page forty five because this is interesting, all right. So
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: they talk about a book, okay at one point and
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: let me see one thirty seven fifteen. This is I
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: think this is like red pilling stuff right here.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: So okay for the red pill stuff.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: But for these people.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you are aware of that, because every man is
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: aware of that. What the fuck is that?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: That's not healthy at all?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: But what what is he talking about me to be?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: I'm just guessing I'm no personal experience with it, but
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: that seems to me to be.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: Oh oh oh oh yeah, no, it's a little bit
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: further back.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: Completely. The goal of Me Too.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: Was to sanitize the toxic elements of male behavior, and
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: instead it ended up sterilizing most of them.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: And what are it due to women? I mean, is
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: there no one wants to be treated in a way
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: that's vulgar or cruel or dehumanizing? Of course those are
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: just that's just the human you know, no one wants that.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: But is there any evidence that women didn't want men
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: to be aggressive? I noticed there's been an enormous rise.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: I hear about it all the time in women asking
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: to be choked during sex. I always talk to people
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: with their sex lives. I'm interested in the topic. I
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: think it reveals a lot.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: About Yango MESHI would like to know your location.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, all right, that's that's I would This
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: is one thing that I never thought Tucker Carlson would say.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I but it gets better, it gets better. This is
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: this is a good part right here, people.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: I think it's the most human thing there is. Not
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 5: embarrassed at all.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: I've never heard anything like that until about ten years ago.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: This girl wants me to choke her, but I remember,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: it's like kind of horrified. I don't see any connection
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: between sex and violence. I'm just not into it. But like,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: what is that? And it's very common. I'm not going
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: to embarrass you by asking you if you are aware
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: of that, but I know you are aware of that,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: because every man is aware of that.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: What the fuck is that? Like that's not healthy at all.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: That is that is women's unfettered sexual desires. And it's
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: so funny because I see it now that like there's
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: guys out there who are actually looking at what women
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: look like or look at and read about sexually and
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: are absolutely horrified. And it's like, yes, this is what
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: looks like when you un chain the female sexual id.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: It is horrifying. And I knew about this because I
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: have I have done like the fan fiction the tumblr,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: and I have seen it for myself many many years ago,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: and now they're making it mainstream because they have absolutely
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: no appropriate boundaries. There's no we don't put boundaries on
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: women's sexuality. We just insist it's angelic.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: And then they're one of the first, if not the
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: first pornographic document was a book for women. It was
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: like a poem or something, I mean, like other than
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: like of Dix, but like I think there was like
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: a piece of literature. Was like officially, you know, the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: cold have just been guys having fun, like who knows,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: draw veiny triumphant motherfucker. But yeah, my fallus and fast
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: forward to like ancient Greece. There doing it again. Okay,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: Longest Maximus, I'm sorry.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Biggest, because okay, I think we've gotten a little off
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: the rails.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: You, Okay, but yes, that's okay, that's okay. I don't
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: even know if I can still remember my point. No,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: when when men are looking at women actually what they
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: actually find sexually arousing, they're becoming more and more horrified.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: So I'm just wondering why we never considered the possibility
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: that men's sexuality is actually a break on women's as well.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, that that that men actually pull women
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: back from the brink of absolute degeneracy. I mean, maybe
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: it's a mutual thing, maybe we both pull each other.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: But you know, at least men generally still get it
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: on to things that look like women, except for the brownies,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: the subset of the bronies. But then, but then they
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: still have female personalities, so you know that maybe that's okay,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know, they're like statian aliens. Okay, that that
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: we're in a weird space.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: Let's keep going, Yeah, okay to be I'm just guessing
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: I have no personal experience with it, but that seems
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: to me to be an expression of longing for male
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: aggression that's gone in an unhealthy direction. Or did you
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: read you know, the famous pornographic novel for women?
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: Do you remember this? Did you read it?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: Well, I read it because I'm interested in women, Okay,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: I read it. That's a great disclaim it so that
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: you can justify reading fifty shows if it was the
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: least erotic thing I've ever read in my life. I
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: read it on a light to La. I was embarrassed
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: to read it, but I was like, I'm interested in women.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: I want to know how they think. Not even a twitch.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: Literally, I took a celibacy pledge by the time l
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: I found it so repulsive and weird, and it just
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: shows it when they're so different. Th things that turned
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: them on are different. Exactly. It was all about control
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: and humiliation, dude. So one guess, yes, have you read?
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: I read parts of it.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: It's like it is.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: It is badly written. In fact, we had to I
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: read it with the patrons or part of it, and
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: we had to. It was so boring that we changed
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Christian Gray to Christian Graveyard prior to the Seventh Seas and.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: His and the perhaps no I'm just kidding.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, well he had to be straight.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Steel, miss file.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was so we We just did it so
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: it would be more entertaining and less dreary. But yeah,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: that that that whole book was just.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Like that.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: There is obviously a serious compulsion in women to submit,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: and they don't want to admit it, and they want
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: to think that this is something that's inflicted on them
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: by men. But I think that instead of it actually
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: being inflicted on them by men, I think it's more
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: that men and women and older women who actually have
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: some sense, massage that into No, don't don't submit to
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: you know, handsome sociopathic anatole, submit to kanchie anxious moral
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: you know, dignified other you know, like a male character
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: that's that's like somebody better than that. Sorry, yeah, submit.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: To it.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: At the moment.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: So so just they just moved. And then the whole
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: thing with Christianity is you're submitting to a man who
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: is moral, ethical, puts your interests first, you know, community leader,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing chased, you know, not driven by
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: his sexuality into strange and places perhaps, you know, and
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: that that's that's kind of thing. You massage it towards
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: something more uh, socially productive, shall we say, And then
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: when you unleash it, you find out that no, women
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: don't want to submit to socially productive stuff. Minotaurs and sociopaths.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: It's ours and psychos all right, Okay, we're like, oh
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: my gosh, right, I had to.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: I mean whatever, women were really infuego about this.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: Book, and it's gotten worse.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: Like honestly, I've been to church services that are more
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: ronic than this is actively.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I have I have some first hund example
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: experience of this. I was the cover of a bunch
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: of dogs.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Like the best part, sorry, this is this conversation here
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: is like the best part?
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so so Chris Williamson said that he was
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: he used to model for dark romance novels.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm sorry, sir. Oh god, no, it's gonna
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: get Does it really turn bad?
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: No? Well let's just listen.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so I have some first und example experience
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: of this. I was the cover of a bunch of
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: dark romance novels in my twenties. Sorry, I was the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: cover model of some dark romance novels in my twenties.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: You do not need to google them. You were the
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: fabio of the UK.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Dorian Gray, Dorian Gray, but with a British accent.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, I did. I did every right, did my
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: producer tell me this? Let me check the booking sheet here.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: I did every red flag that your future son in
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: law should not have male model, DJ nightclub promoter, all
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: of the red flags. My point is I was a
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: part of this very tangentially right.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: You do modeling.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: Sometimes a photo gets taken, an author says, oh, that's great,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: that can be like the muse idea for the front
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: cover of this book. Would I be able to buy it?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: And I'm twenty, I'm like, yeah, sure, you pay a
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: thousand bucks and get my photo. That's I'm on the
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: book cover of a book, Like, isn't that great? A
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: little bit darker and more raunche than I might have anticipated.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: My mum when she found out that someone was on
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: the cover of a book, So be lovely. I'd love
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: to read it. And I'm like you, this isn't Harry Potter.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: You're not reading this book anyway.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Please tell me you avoided going to the conventions.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Well, let's see, don't off the work of me. He
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: said his twenties. I don't know how he is now.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: I think he's in his forties.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's pretty typical. Well when was this published?
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: I found it?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: You found Chris Williamson's book The Dorian Gray Thing. All right, yep, well,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: don't show me. I don't want to know.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not that bad. It's not. It's not actually
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: that bad for in terms of dark fantasy, it's sort
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: of it's sort of tame.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: Well, it was probably an old book. I bet it's
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: probably got a lot worse lately, that's why. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, Okay.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: What was interesting was the timing of Fifty Shades coming
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: out and the sort of archetypes that you saw within
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: the dark Roman genre, very much typically masculine man, heavy brow,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: big hands, lumberjack, plaid shirt man stuff, big chest, muscular
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: in a position of prestige, typically dominant, typically wealthy, not
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: succumbing to or just notarticularly of the ilk that the
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: modern world was telling men that they should be more of,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: especially post me too.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: And this is.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: An uncomfortable circle to square if you want to try
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: and marry these two worlds together.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: Right, No, it's not, it's it is absolutely like this
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: is this is what women want. They want Paradoxically, they
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: want a really hot man who with a sociopathic personality
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: style but will actually get in a relationship with them
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: that is not fraught with the usual bullshit that psychopath
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: you know, like antisocial men bring, well, you can't have
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: that right and expecting men to embody that is ridiculous, okay,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: And I think that's part of the reason why I,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: you know, men who were not as This is another
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: This is another screenshot. This little freaking unflattering but any way,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: he looks like he's just touched an electrical fence a little.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: But asking men to I think this is one reason
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: why men who are more on the left and more
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: liberal were drawn to feminism, because it promised that they
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: could become more whole, they could have that pressure to
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: be super alpha taken off them. Of course, it didn't
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: just added additional pressure that you were supposed to be
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: this this unrelenting alpha character, but also you know, capable
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: of being beta in you know, in the but capable
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: of putting all of understanding and putting all of our
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: emotional needs and getting all of her everything else. So
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: it's like it's like alpha plus is what feminists actually
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: ended up landing on. So I.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Think that those men thought feminism, I thought that like
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: being like a feminist man was their way of beating
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: the alpha. So they were still engaging in like sexual
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: It's not just beating the alpha.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: Simply being No, it's more than just beating the alpha.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: It's being fully yourself right, being able to express your
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: vulnerabilities and your fears, and having a partner who's not
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: going to run away if you do so. And that's
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: what feminism sold them didn't deliver in any capacity. So
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: when he's saying, oh, well, you know this is what
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: women really want, yeah, but what women really want right
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: now is destroying our society and it's also not making
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: them happy. So maybe instead of saying well, men should
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: be like that, we should say women, this is not
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: this is not good for you. Going after Anatole instead
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: of Pierre is not good for you. It's a war
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: and peace reference. Although although Natasha did eventually go after Pierre,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: so in her original love was for Anthony. No, no, God,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: Russian names. Russian names are like double pronunciation for me, difficult,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: it's even remember. But anyway, we need to go back
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: to telling women that not all of their impulses are beneficial,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: good or should be celebrated in public. Okay, And I
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: don't know if that's where he's going with that, but.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: A little bit more I can keep going.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: So what they did was they tried to make romance
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: novels more in keeping with the sort of archetype that
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: modern men were perhaps supposed to be, a more agreeable,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: softer sort of man. And these are referred to as
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: cinnamon role husbands or golden retriever husbands. And they wrote
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: romance novels about this story arc. Right, this was the
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: kind of archetype that was going on. Shock horror. They
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: did not sell right. Women were not buying the golden
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: retrieve a husband cinnamon roll husband story arc. They wanted
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: the Dorian Gray archetype.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: How shocked, Not at all shocking, although it's it's funny though,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: because there does seem to be a kind of woman
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: that likes the Hallmark movie guy, but he is a
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: little bit more of that kind of chad guy. Like,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: you know, girl from the city goes to her small
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: town and right, there's like a guy there and he's
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: like he works with his hands and he runs a
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: you know, a veterinary clinic that only deals with puppies.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: He's down home and simple, but she likes him. Right, But.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely know what you're talking about. But that's
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: very much associated, i think with more religious it's.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: Kind of like, I don't know, women like paradoxes. They're
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: drunk because they want to work in like the big
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: city that usually these girls in these stories are like,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: you know, high flying female lawyer or paralegal or entrepreneur
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: or something. Go you know, left her small town to
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: find herself in Manhattan. Got a big job, very powerful,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: lots of powerful friends, makes a lot of money. But
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: then she has to go home for the holidays to like,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: you know, Middle America, somewhere small town farm. Bumps into
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: a guy and he's like, you know, like the simplest man,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: but something endearing, but something about him, you know, So
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: what is special?
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Check spasming? Yes, and moral Christians don't exist?
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: What the hell?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: Where did that come from?
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: Just being a bit weird? There's no nuance to be
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: found here. What are you talking about? Like, you're not
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: even listening. He's just you're just like, I don't like that.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: You just said something nice about Christianity. You're the ones
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: with no nw ones. Yes, there are people who are
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: not good at being Christians. That doesn't that doesn't mean
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: anything about the whole religion. Okay, anyway, okay, And what
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: is this?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: You realize that people aren't wolves. Well, actually, technically wolves
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: are currently being looked at as the best biological like
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: anthropological model of our early evolution because they have a
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: lot of the same social structures and behaviors, so they're
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: actually closer in that sense. It's like a parallel evolution.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: They're not closer genetically, but they're closer than our nearest relatives,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: which are which are the chimps or the bonobos, And
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: they're much more close to what we are. And I'm
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: sure what you're thinking about is the alpha beta thing.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Probably he knee jerk because we talked about alphas, but
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: it's like, yes, that's a concept in romance novels. We're
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: not talking about alphas as like the ideal man. In fact,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: I think I explicitly said that isn't ideal. That actually,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: society is more functional when it teaches women to go
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: after men who are normal, conscientious, hard working, good providers
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: like their kids, okay, and and and when they teach
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: women not to go completely bonkers when said men have
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: any kind of issue or problem or you know, emotion
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: this what's up with you? Your scritchen, you'r scritchen constantly?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: I think she's having some kind of allergy attack. All right,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: let's let's keep going.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: All right, a little bit more.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Nuanced.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: Mean, did you read any of the books.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: You should go back and read your own books, and
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: I bet you would find them not only non erotic,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: but like anti erotic.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: Like these are your fantasies? Really?
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: What are the I think every man thinks that female
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: sexual fantasies are like pillow fights in the sorority house.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: Why would you think that.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: Those are male? No, he's just I think guys think
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: that about girls. But that's what guys. Guys want girls
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: pillow fighting in a sororiaty house, you know, because it's
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: soft and feminine. I guess I don't know. Uh okay.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: I got a rumble rant from Nova Fan twenty one.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you, NOBA fan gives a dollar and says, judging
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  Speaker 1: from the way Tucker Carlson describes the woman he brings up,
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  Speaker 1: I'd imagine listening to the woman in his life, the
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  Speaker 1: women in his life share how they prevented girls from
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: becoming feminists might be more enlightening. Well, yeah, that would be,
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think Chris Williamson wouldn't ask that question
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  Speaker 1: because they're not ready to the One thing that's for sure,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: at least for Chris Williamson is he's not ready to say,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, feminism was a mistake. I think Talker
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: would say that, but I don't think Williamson would. Benny
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  Speaker 1: Adams gives us five dollars super child, Thank you, bat
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: He says, the alpha male paradox is much much older
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: than you think. In fourteen eighty five, Sir Mallory wrote,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: quote thou Wert the meekest man. End quote, says Sir
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: Ector to the dead Lancelot, is it is it Lancelot?
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: It's spelled attle bit different, then says quote thou Wert
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  Speaker 1: the meekest man that ever ate in hall among ladies,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: And thou Wert the sternest knight to thy mortal foe
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: that ever puts spear in the rest end quote. C. S.
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  Speaker 1: Lewis addressed it extensively in his work on Chivalry. All right,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for that, Betty Adams. Meek doesn't necessarily mean weak, though,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: it's more like the hobbits in the shire. You know, Yeah,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: that's what that's when the saying the meek shall inherit
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: the earth is is referring to the stout, enduring, like
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: the Shire folks like that. So it's not weakness, that's
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: not weakness.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, Okay, female sexual fantasies tend to be much
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: more about power than men's sexual fantasies.
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  Speaker 5: I have noticed, and really an imbalance of power.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're there on the you know, on the weaker side,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: and and they're you know, some of them are not.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, no one ever wants to be honest about anything. Basically,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: lying just con dominates every public conversation. But and I'm
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: not attacking anybody. I've just noticed this because I'm interested,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: And no, they're they're all about I don't think we
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: want to be humanized or ignored or treat like children.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think that really, And.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: Yet that's what's in their fantasy.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, isn't it also the case? And again
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: I don't read these things, but is it also the
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: case that in these like fifty Shades of Gray Christian
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: the sex is violent and everything, but there is like
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: suppose that it's like Twilight, like he's he can destroy her,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't. So there's like this weird like she
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: she is weaker but has power over him in some
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: way is that not a thing, Like do you know
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean I don't know, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: That sell sex.
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  Speaker 3: Novels that sell to women are not sexually arousing to
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: men at all.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: I have found.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: And again, they're all about being dominated. That's what it is.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: One caveat to put in there is I'm really bothered
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  Speaker 4: by it. I just want to be totally clear. I
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: don't like that. I don't like all the weird power
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: dynamic stuff, but whatever, they like it.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, he's talking in generalities. Guys, he should
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: have said not all otherwise we have to stop listening.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: Mm hmkay, I don't think let me see.
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  Speaker 2: You know what this is good? I mean I think
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: it's just a really quiet, yeah, this is this is
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: pretty low key, except for the end where we started
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: hitting on women's porn habits.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Well, they do talk about how there
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: was something interesting too, and I could just summarize it.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: I guess Chris Williamson makes the point that and he's
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: saying it's because of me too. But I think this
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: is like before that, it's not it's not after shock
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: of it, but but basically, like women or me too
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: has created a situation or women or feminism or whatever
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: has created a dynamic where men who are probably like
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: more gentle, more probably like more likely to be like
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: husband and father material because they are more cooperative, because
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: they are more willing to try to be you know, uh,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: listening to women's concerns. That's what you want in like
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: a life partner. Right. They're not approaching because of me too,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: because they're listening to what said when women said, don't
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: approach us. So the only men that are approaching are
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: the ones that don't care yep, the ones that did that,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: and they would have done it anyways, right, they would
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: have done it no matter what. And so women are
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: only being approached by like you know, dark triad men basically,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: and the other men, the majority of men, the decent guys,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: they're not approaching. And he's and we've talked about that
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: on the show. But Tucker and Chris are realizing that
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: this is the dynamic that that created. So they're like,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: this is the problem because like, you know, decent guys
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: are not going to do that. So there is a
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: time code for that. I don't know if you want
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: me to find it, but but yeah, it's like an
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: hour and forty six or we can.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: I think I think we're good.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: I think yeah, yeah, I think this is all stuff
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: we've covered before.
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  Speaker 2: So it's this has been very low key. I think
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: people have been like I guess they wanted the fire
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: and we brought the tea.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, like what I don't I
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: don't know that I could really yell at them for this.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, like there's some This isn't like a crazy
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: feminist saying kill all men. This is just like a
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: couple of bluepill guys and they're like, something's wrong. That's it,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Like that's what the video is.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, no, you're right, you're right. Okay, So I
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think I have anything more to say. Do
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: you want to look at anything more? You know what,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: I'm going to make an executive decision. I'm good, Okay.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: I think everybody's in the I think everybody's in like
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: the Thanksgiving mindset. I'm not sure. Is it this weekend Thanksgiving
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: for you guys? No, not yet, Okay.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is the last week of November, which is two
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: weeks from today.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: Well yesterday enough, fair enough. So I don't know why
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: it's so quiet, but it is. It's really really quiet.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: It's been quiet. Yeah, all right, So I'm going to
• 1:44:13
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• 1:44:24
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• 1:44:28
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• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: No, I mean I think that's good. Like I you know,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: I watched it and it wasn't as bad as I
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be. Because I've always had like
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: some criticisms of Chris Williamson and I still think that
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: he's not ready to like confront the actual like problem.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: He won't. He won't go to the women question. But
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: that's okay. I think that it's inevitable, and that's what
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, this is one of those things that
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna get away from. At some point you're
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: gonna have to confront it and just be ready for
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: that because it is inevitable. So anyway, but yeah, I
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: thought it was okay, and you know, I have I
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: I would say I have, like did we go into
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: it when Nick Fuentes was on there and he had
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: a pretty good rent we could look at another time
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: where I think he's got he's more grounded in what's
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: going on because Chris Williamson is like older, in good
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: shape if he's if he's straight, because I'm not really
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: sure he is, and not that that's a problem, but
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: if he's straight, he's probably got a woman. And Tucker
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: is an old jen X sir married with kids. So
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: like these guys are not in the world, like they're
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: not experiencing what's happening. Yeah, people like Nick are, so
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: I think that that's why, Like I mean, he's a
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: virgin by choice, but like, you know, I think that
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: the younger guys are the ones that are really seeing
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: how things are playing out, and I think that they're
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: probably going to be more tuned in. And these guys
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: are bords and they're like, what, why are you struggling?
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't struggle right, So but yeah, so Chad Williamson,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: I said, I said, Chris Williamson.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: Good, Chad Williamson. You could show the link. It's not
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: it's not at all like salacious.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: Oh do you want me to put that?
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not really Okay, I'm sure that he would.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you'd appreciate it. But yeah, this
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: is it like I sent it to you.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: This is so gringe. Revenge is and sweet. It's bulletproof.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could read it like it's this is a
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: dark romance roman.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: See this is tame.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: Your way to destroy a man is a take when
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: he cannot live without. Three years ago, I had everything,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: A beautiful wife, a son, a reason for living until
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Ruthless Task Force assembled under Mayor Michael Culling is that
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: really the name? With a brutal strategy to make the
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: streets of Detroit safe, ripped away everything I loved in
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: a deadly hunt called the Culling get it because his
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: name is Michael Culling. They tried to kill me too.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: I wish they had. Now I'm cursed by the memories
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: of that night and the words I whispered to my
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: dying wife a promise to avenge the wrong, and said
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: it right. I am no longer nick Rider.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: All right, you know what, Chris, it's.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: Not wait good name. I am no longer Nick Ryder.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: I am a masked vigilante, faceless, loveless, fearless, a man
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: with nothing left to lose, the one who's seen the
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: dark and violent truth behind the city these flawless veneer.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: Michael Culling doesn't know who I am or what I want.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: All he knows is that I kidnapped his beautiful wife
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: and I for an eye. Isn't that how the saying goes?
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: And Aubrey Culling is the perfect pawd to destroy him
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: if she doesn't destroy me first. Oh, so it's about
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: a It's about a vigilantes who kidnaps, kidnaps the wife
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: of a mayor and he's going to use it for revenge,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: but she she seduces him, or he seduces her, yeah.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Or something like that something. Yeah. The worst part, the
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: cringiest part of this is obviously not the sex, the
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: sexual No.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: No, by the way, by the way, I forgot to
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: mention this. I think we should definitely look into this. Okay,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: there is a show I think it's on Hulu and
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: it's called All's Fair. Have you heard about this?
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: Yes? I have.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: We have him Kardashian. I hear it is the worst show.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: I heard it would it would red pill the most
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: pink haired feminist. This is what I heard. So I
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: may have to uh try to watch it so that
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: we could. It's probably hilarious, like I'm I hear it's
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: very bad, like Kim Kardashian acting. That's all you need
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: to know. So anyway, Yeah, yeah, I think I've said enough.
• 1:49:31
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• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: gonna see this, but you know, this is really tame,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: my dude, no doubt, really tame considering what is coming
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: out in dark romance romance today, and it just sounds
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: sort of a little corny. So that's about the only
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: thing that I would be ashamed of, the slightly large
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: amount of canned corn in it. But that's not your fault.
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• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: about we've discussed on the show. What do you think
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: about Nick Rider, the Vigilante?
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: Chris Williamson.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: Just the story? I don't know, like should this be
• 1:50:47
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