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Start Me Up: Brian J. Karem · Start Me Up with Kimberley A. Johnson

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Start Me Up podcast part of MSW Media in the sexy liberal podcast network.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Kim Rally Johnson in DC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today my returning guest is reporter Brian Keram.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As per usual, we have a lot to talk about, so before we get into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now please enjoy my conversation with Brian Keram.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the show, Brian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good to see you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's good to see you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But of course, we always have to meet under horrible, you know, all kinds of horrible things are happening and then we have to discuss them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But of course, you know, I wanted to have you on primarily because, well, mainly because you're the cool, the cool reporter, but I want you to talk about the press band and from my understanding, it's on hold right now, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because of a court order.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 14 days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I just want you to go off on this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want you to talk about this and plus I also want you to bring up and weren't you banned in the first term from the White House?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I defeated Donald Trump in court three times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm three and oh versus awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he tried to take away my press pass and we defeated him and court hits the precedent that was actually cited in the current litigation as being relevant because it went up to this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It won level below the Supreme Court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So every decision in the U.S. district court of appeals and that circuit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: has to abide by care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Care on versus Trump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 3-0 baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That happened in his first administration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was 2019-2020.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had invited his minions in the, he called it the, what did he call it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The new media to show up at the White House.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were on what used to be called the Rose Garden lawn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's called Marlago North.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Looks like a cheap patio from the season, you know, and like a fucking hotel and somewhere in South Florida.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, holiday in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he had them seated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had the rest of the press around the standing around the seats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He made a perfunctory statement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was getting ready to leave.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, hey, Mr. President, do you mind sticking around taking a few questions?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this woman, I think she was dressed up like the statue of Liberty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Turned around and said, and it was like, she liked this, but she was like, he's already taken questions
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, here's the group that looks like it's eager for demonic possession.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was doing it in a pretty good Rodney.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It got a few last.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Gorka guy came over calling me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, buddy, we can talk here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can go outside and talk all day long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like three, you know, nothing happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when we walked through the,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the portico to go back into the building he went his way I went mine and nobody said anything I that was it and then three four weeks later he took he was taking questions from me on the on the south along that day he took I got two questions from me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I asked him if he was a you know delusional and then
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to dinner with my wife and some friends, and I got a call for my editor saying they, you know, yank my press pass because I had been rude, you know, with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was so rude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that went to court, and they said, hey, if they can't kick me out, how are they going to keep people from moaning the first lady?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was honestly their defense of throwing me out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, after the judge ruled that they were nuts and gave me back my press pass, they appealed it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it went in bot to, you know, I'd two or three, I think, justices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then went to the to the appellate level and they ruled in my favor and
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when Politico MS now and CNN showed up last week and pled their case, the Judge Kelly, who was also the judge in the first case before DC, when Jim Acosta had his press
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[SPEAKER_01]: pretty definitive about, you know, having due process and pre speech rights and you're going to have to overcome that, whether I do it or not, makes no difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the judge said, well, good for you, 14 days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on back with Argus and more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what Donald Trump will do with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know since then, he's banned CNN from the pool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can do that because the press seeded their rights at the beginning of this administration to Donald Trump to make pool assignments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he can do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone's making a big deal about
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[SPEAKER_01]: TV press pool and that wasn't the entire press core right way if they had had the balls to do this when Jim Acosta had his press passion after when I had mine yanked or when the AP sued Donald Trump or when Donald Trump decided to take over assigning the press pool or when he banned us from upper press or when he tried to kick out anyone else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we'd ever
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[SPEAKER_01]: balls and time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Donald Trump wouldn't have been able to do what Donald Trump did in the last two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's only because we even invited him to the White House Correspondence Association dinner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And people want you should go, Brian, and don't know where you'd hell do I want to go there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If that SOB won't sit down and do an interview with me, why would I show up and eat rubber chicken to watch it, you know, disparage us again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It yesterday and the oval office telling us all that we're no longer, he's not going to call it right, artificial intelligence, but it's super intelligent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to call you an artist, you know, moron, emotional degenerate moron, but I can see your impression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very strong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they make a little things.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whenever he's lying, it starts out with, say, say, you know, it's a bullshit line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody calls him sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, let me ask you this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ever since Donald Trump came on to the scene, he's been disparaging the news media calling it fake news, it's not a popular institution right now, and on top of it, a lot of the news media is owned by oligarchs, and therefore, people aren't trusting the news.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, what would be, if you could do one thing to improve the news media and to make it stronger, especially within the public's view, what would that be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bust up the medium and I'll please give a press that would be the first thing I would do and then I would all for
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[SPEAKER_01]: probably tax incentives to small newspapers, community newspapers and outlets and extend those tax credits to regional newspapers and you know, give them breaks for give those tax breaks when they hire and invest in their product.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would also try to make sure that governments
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[SPEAKER_01]: state and local governments have subsidized community newspapers for years by what's called public notice ads.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the governments over the years have decided to get rid of those public notice ads reasoning and you got to love this reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we have our own website, they can just tune in to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: problem with that being of course that you know you can hack those and so you need a disinterested third party of server your local community newspapers so you have I would then also make sure that those public notice ads and public service ads were still required and with that done I think you would be able to create
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[SPEAKER_01]: more independent journalism and future problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem, it starts at the top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I first got in the business, 80% of what you see reader here was owned by a couple of us in companies today, four or five companies own 90 to 95% of what you see reader here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're twice a number of people on the planet today, is on the day I was born and a quarter of the number of reporters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is no independent reporter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there are a few reporters who even understand what their business is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are two busy kids and ask and trying to get access to do the job correctly, at least in the White House.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the problem you have nationwide or fast news deserts, where there's no community, newspapers or community radio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just have eye heart radio and nobody hearts that radio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a huge problem that was created by Ronald Wilson Reagan in the 1980s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he is the reason why we are where we are today, and so that's what I think would clean it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about the independent news, not organizations, but outlets that we're seeing now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're seeing like my discharge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got some young people out there at a mockler.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got MSW media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about these kinds of independent outlets and where they're headed?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a problem with partisan media on the right of the left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, back in the Andrew Jackson days, in the beginning of our Republic, Thomas Jefferson, even said if you had a choice of no government and no media, you'd certainly truly take no government.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But back then, that's the only thing we had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Each candidate had their own
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't until we started selling advertising that we found we could cover more than politics and you know, so we started covering view moves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, but I had no problem with part of some media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to call yourself a journalist or a reporter, I think you've got to remember what Ben Beck Dickie and told us you're not there for your friends, your family, your boss or your own career, you're there to represent the people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And representing the public is it is a public service.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've forgotten that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was when I got into the business, there was this wonderful saying over the elevators where I worked at the Courier Journal of Global Times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert worth Bingham, who had, right, above the elevators, it was a quote that says, I've always regarded the newspapers owned by me as a public trust and I've been gathered so to conduct them as to render the greatest public service.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That to me is what our reporter, originalist is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you had here to those standards, who cares what, you know, the platforms multiply, but job is still the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can, you know, free speech allows anyone to call themselves whatever they want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are people that, you know, are witnesses to events and they put a bomb on TikTok.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they, you know, put them on, you know, we're also, you know, steps everywhere that you can put on the internet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's doing the act of a journalist, but a professional journalist understands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you can call yourself a professional journalist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: unless you've got at least one editor sitting over your shoulder going that's an opinion I don't know how do you spell that name where do you get the quote who's this guy is this what you think or is this what you know I mean you need that I can't tell you the number of reporters that have come to me over the years that I've mentored and they'll come up to me and go this is what I think and I don't know fuck what you think what I think we know
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, let me care what you think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're just the witness, write it up as a witness, do it that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Opinion pieces should be clearly labeled as that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have no problem with new journalism or new, you know, I just want to make sure that we respect the tenants of journalism to call our subsat and people and really,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not the thing we need is to teach media literacy in schools.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So people can use critical thinking to it, you know, right, whatever you want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the critical thinkers should be able to discern whether or not you're telling me facts or or, you know, bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I disagree with people who say journalists are here to tell you the truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: bullshit we're here to give you facts which decide what the truth is that it factual information there's 4,000 religions on this planet every that's 4,000 different sets of truths you know and then you've got Donald Trump I did you these end great nobody decided that you know you've got that to deal with I just want facts and yeah on all the side what I believe the truth to be based on those shared that it facts that's what's valuable and that's
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just the facts, you know, it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just watched all the president's men on Saturday and Jason Roebard's character, they kept coming to him with the story and he's like, no, not good enough, not good enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need more, you need more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, boy, all these young reporters should be watching this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, you know, do they even know about this movie?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd recommend that they watch the paper with Michael key brought yes, that would be either one of those would be a good entry level before you graduate to you know to all the president's men and the point being that you've touched on what the real problem is in journalism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are young reporters who don't know how it should be or how it was and why that was valuable, why that we did things the way that we did them, why I continue to do them that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've been accused of being far right and far left and I'm not partisan, I really
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Sam Donaldson taught me when I first walked into their room, Brian, if you can't if you can't criticize those people that you support, then you don't deserve to be here in the White House.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And today it's like, I mean, I had to watch a gag in the oval office yesterday that almost made me gag.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, God, plus, I mean, every time Donald Trump says,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question, I'm going to answer it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know that it was fed to him by either he gave him the ask him or someone staffed it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a real question and some of them were just far sickle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one's asking to guide about 58 people dead the United States because Ice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one's asking him the questions about why are we even in this war?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What the hell are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you keep lying about the economy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one pushes into the wall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, maybe that's my superpower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My father used to tell me I could piss anybody off within five minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're asking questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's my superpower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His is persistence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't match mine with his any day that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wish that we were more
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, old school in that regard and that, you know, I know that young were part of Scotland.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's old school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, fine, but the ABCs are still the ABCs, and that's part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, learn up, June, you're getting learned up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know my dad who worked for ABC News for several decades as a camera man initially.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was really difficult for him to accept what was happening to the news media after Donald Trump and how much damage Trump did to it and continues to do to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he sees it very clearly now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so upsetting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But okay, I want to switch gears and I want to ask you about Natalie Hart because
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[SPEAKER_01]: And whether she is or not okay fine, but I've never personally witnessed Donald getting his diaper changed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I cannot speak that badly thankfully, but have you been close enough to him to smell him?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I, you know, not so much this administration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a hot minute since I've been in the White House.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm having to sue them to get regain my press pass, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have, of course, been in close proximity, and I've never smelled anything untoward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I honestly, I find that to be considering the fact that we are this close to losing all of our allies, being engaged in another world war.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and people are dying in the streets in the United States of America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really care what he smells like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's his whole politics that stink worse than anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's true, but there's also that I still want to get to not only, but there's still that thing that he has health issues and they're not honest with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that's a different issue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that's used exist, they're exacerbated their worst.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then they were in the first minute solution.
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[SPEAKER_01]: whether he's incompetent or not, or in content or not, is another issue he's not paying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he's high believed he's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He cannot begin a sentence in indesense without contradicting himself in the sentence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is glib, he is effacious shallow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has all the hallmarks of a guy with dementia, and spals asleep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Camp announced names, looks around to see who's sitting next to him, and we gave Biden brief, you know, debate, and Donald Trump is in far worse shape than Biden ever was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's frightening to me that we have an octogenarian who's non-composiment as running the white Nazis, you know, he's the puppet, the puppeteers, the disease, and the victims are the public, or making
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[SPEAKER_01]: bank off of it are trying to become the fact of puppeteers, you know what I'm talking about, it's even talking about J.V.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Junior University vans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, those people are trying to take advantage of the situation and Michael Johnson, what a moron.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting to see Donald Trump yesterday in the White House in that gaggle, you know, virtually admit that he doesn't expect great things for the Republicans in the midterm elections, and it explains a whole lot of the desperation that we continue to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so back to Natalie, I mean, like I said, the joke is that she's his diaper changer, but take the joke out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I think there was a story that came out recently that she had been obsessed about some pastor or something like that prior to Trump.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she clearly, like latches on to these people in power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, I'm certainly not a doctor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: an obsessive woman with narcissistic tendencies, straps herself in a trunk that could be a narze, it could be a man, you know, the narcissistic human being with stalker tendencies, stalking the president of the United States being that close to the seed of power, yeah, that's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Donald Trump doesn't see it as a problem because, you know, she loves me, I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: When they love me, they can come close, they don't love me to go away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so why do you say, what is dangerous about her in your opinion?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I wouldn't like, I guess, or, you know, the way she dresses isn't a threat, but but you know, maybe in a truck should tell you something right away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big, that's a big talent, my book, what she hid in a trunk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what, it's like the old, it's really weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Jeff Kaye and Marilyn Monroe, and she was singing, you know, happy birthday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, of course, there's also the rumor that she's in charge of what he's able to, you know, know about what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that that's her role?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one's in charge of what Donald Trump wants to know except Donald Trump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that much to be true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been in a room with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've watched him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And while he's deteriorated and they're,
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[SPEAKER_01]: people who are trying to ride herd over him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If Donald Trump gets pissed off and starts screaming in yelling at you to do something, and I witness that to the first hand, people thought they could handle him and they couldn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Donald Trump is a monster of his own making.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need to ascribe that to anyone else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason why she is there is because he likes it, and he tolerates her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The minute he doesn't, she's gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ask Michael Cohen what exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I want to search gears and I want to go over to the midterms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want you to tell me why you think people are voting this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are they voting for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are they voting against?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's bringing them to the polls?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that they are being brought to the polls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the assumption is that they will be driven to the polls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I spoke with people at No King's rallies who spent eight hours getting dressed, driving to the rally and the protest, putting together signs, getting dressed for it, and marching around, screaming yelling, and I said, hey, so, are you voting as well?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a waste of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to, you just spend eight hours protesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's wrong with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The midterm elections notoriously are low-attended elections.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 40% on average.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't have that this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't.
24:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And we should never tolerate 40% voter turnout.
24:20
[SPEAKER_01]: That means that 20% plus one, it's the determined how the rest of the 80% live.
24:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the problem we have right now.
24:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Donald Trump has never represented a majority of Americans.
24:32
[SPEAKER_01]: He's represented a majority of people who vote and at least on two occasions.
24:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was just 60% of the electorate.
24:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And that means that 30% plus one.
24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: The same 30% plus one that is existed as a minority in the United States since a minority of voters since the Revolutionary Era when 30% were torries.
24:56
[SPEAKER_01]: 30% of the people supported the Confederacy.
24:59
[SPEAKER_01]: 30% of the people supported the Vietnam War.
25:02
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the same bottom baseman, well, people that have been replicating themselves for the last 200 years.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: That won't change.
25:11
[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that can change is for people to get off their fat ass and vote.
25:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm tired of hearing about people going,
25:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, they took away precincts in Terry County in Texas for worth area and they're going to make it and there's going to be ice and there's going to be people out on the street.
25:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a shit.
25:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're the very same people those stand in line for two hours to go to our right at Disney World.
25:35
[SPEAKER_01]: and real.
25:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So up and make sure you register the vote, show up and stand in line for two hours if you have to, because this matters.
25:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right, it Disney World doesn't, but the world God gets some sense about you.
25:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of, I
25:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for those people who are voting, it's a combination of really being upset with Donald Trump, but also being upset with incumbents in general in the aging population inside Congress.
26:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see a change over of that.
26:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to see younger voices involved.
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think even though I sometimes wonder if the younger voices know what the fuck they're doing, but
26:16
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a different matter entirely.
26:17
[SPEAKER_01]: The older voices are too befuddled.
26:19
[SPEAKER_01]: We need improvement.
26:20
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to take, you know, again, campaign contribution, limitations, lobbying, limitations, all that stuff.
26:28
[SPEAKER_01]: We need people.
26:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Democrats are in good standing to take over the House.
26:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a good chance.
26:38
[SPEAKER_01]: They I think there's a really good chance they'll have a solid majority in the house and there's a growing chance that they will have a control of the Senate with that said where they're going to do with it.
26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: They did this once before 2018 lost it.
26:53
[SPEAKER_01]: There is no message, I see from a unified message coming from the Democrats, mostly what I see is, you know, I'm not him.
27:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they get you elected by saying you're not Donald Trump, but what will keep you in office?
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's, you know, four or five things that you've got to do, you've got to deal with corruption, you've got to deal with affordability, you got to deal with a war that we don't know why we're in and he can't negotiate his way out of.
27:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, you've got to talk about the economy and you've got to talk about
27:20
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, ice-killing people, and you've got to put them out of it, healthcare, and you have to have a plan.
27:26
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what, you know, the Republicans when New Gingrich's, you know, the plan for America or whatever the LA called it, you know, they didn't promise much except to put things up for a vote and then if they were knocked down, then you could blame, you know, Bill Clinton.
27:39
[SPEAKER_01]: At least they had, and people said, okay, that's not too bad.
27:42
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go for that.
27:44
[SPEAKER_01]: The Democrats, and they still have time, but they need to unify plan.
27:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the fact that they
27:49
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a wide variety of people running across under the democratic monitoring.
27:56
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's not just the far left or the moderate or the moderate.
28:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's appropriate candidates for the district.
28:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what they need.
28:04
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why you've got a real surprise from the second district in Missouri with Fred Women, who looks like he could take away Ann Wagner's seat after she's been there for 14 years.
28:13
[SPEAKER_01]: and being a total Trump sick a fan and Trump coming on trying to support her.
28:18
[SPEAKER_01]: They're in a dead heat and one that who on that district by eight points in the last election.
28:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So the weakness of Donald Trump is everywhere and I think that there is, I think, most voters are really upset with the war, really upset with affordability, and don't forget data centers and
28:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if you call it Fred, the people are upset with it, and Donald Trump says,
28:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Jesus Christ, get out of your foxhole buddy and take a look around because that's not, you know, garnering any fans and friends.
29:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you have someone like Ken Paxton, a primordial ooze that causes self-hampening to who said he heard his chances with the Republican midterm convention.
29:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's almost as if Donald Trump loves, you know, it's almost like he's campaigning for the Democrats.
29:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So that I want to ask you your gut feelings on a couple of different candidates.
29:30
[SPEAKER_00]: So first I'm going with Taloreco.
29:34
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a beatin.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I look, I like, I, there's so much to say there.
29:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I like him as a person.
29:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I've interviewed him.
29:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I was at a press conference.
29:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He seems like a genuine human being.
29:48
[SPEAKER_01]: This race shouldn't even be close.
29:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
29:52
[SPEAKER_01]: maximum is slime.
29:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's because Calarico has a really poor staff that it's as closest it is.
30:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I showed up at a press event.
30:06
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't know where to put the camera, didn't even know what a keylight was.
30:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It was going to stick us out on a ledge.
30:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like three foot wide and there were like 15 cameras there.
30:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And I asked one of them, I said, is this your first race?
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And they go, oh, no, it's my second.
30:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this shows the problem with the D triple C as well, because, you know, as Wellman said, the US Senate, that's the big leagues.
30:29
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the major leagues.
30:31
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't send a little league team to play in the world series.
30:35
[SPEAKER_01]: The D triple C has a real problem.
30:38
[SPEAKER_01]: if they're not giving Calarico people with experience and at least know where to put a keylight or where to put a podium for the love of God.
30:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, don't sit there and ask the press, you know, you look, you think they looked and they are disheveled and unprofessional.
30:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't say enough how that's hurting him and keeping the race closer than it should be.
31:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I call them and they said, well, we're not gonna, you know, don't let this out, but this is where the press event's gonna be,
31:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a secret we're going to have press conference.
31:09
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all wrong with you, but that didn't even make sense.
31:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he was going to travel along the border and talk at several places and had they had no no provisions for the press to follow along.
31:23
[SPEAKER_01]: what the hell is that?
31:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other one that I get pissed off about, so that's the Tele Rico race.
31:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it should be that close.
31:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Tele Rico is a good candidate.
31:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Democrats have really screwed up the management of that campaign.
31:38
[SPEAKER_00]: What about Troy Jackson and Maine running against Susan Collins?
31:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh God, there's a joke waiting to happen, isn't it?
31:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I go back to the fact that the Democrats, who did they get it first?
31:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I convicted Phil.
31:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I put it with the tattoos.
31:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I, all I can tell is brother and brothers and sisters in Maine.
32:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God, I feel for you.
32:08
[SPEAKER_00]: But do you think that he has a shot against Collins?
32:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's got a shot everywhere, right?
32:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, like, do you think that there's a chance?
32:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Does your gut tell you he could win?
32:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He might win or do you think, like, do you have a gut feeling about that?
32:23
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I quit betting on races a long time ago, I'm good or right, and I, and the polls are always wrong and the polls have become worse over the years, my gut tells me from visiting main yes he has a shot is it a good shot, I don't know I haven't been there and I don't have my ear to the ground in the last.
32:43
[SPEAKER_01]: three weeks and right now, from now, last six weeks of the election is when people start focusing.
32:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that everyone at this point because of the disgruntled populace, most people running for office.
33:01
[SPEAKER_01]: If Ken Paxton, my god, has a chance at winning, anybody could win any of these reasons.
33:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he should win.
33:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he will.
33:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he will, too.
33:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Now let me ask you and then the last one Angie Nixon in Florida.
33:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you laugh?
33:28
[SPEAKER_01]: In the fact that there's someone named Nixon on the ballot.
33:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And I rest my case, but I mean, she's people love her.
33:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, I don't know about the entire state, but do you think that she's got a shot or do you think she's too progressive for Florida right now?
33:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I know there are people in Florida who think she's too progressive for Florida, but then again, I know people in Florida, I've talked to you think that she's perfect for Florida.
33:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it all show that it's uh, it's within reach within grass.
34:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's going to boil down to the last six weeks of advertising and getting out and talking to constituents who has seen the most who is connects with them the most that's the issue that's why I go back to the second district in Missouri why a relatively political unknown, you know,
34:30
[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't do ground halls.
34:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's showing up on people, the biggest common he gets is, I haven't seen an animal in four, 10 years.
34:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're welcoming that people want people to connect with them.
34:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And the opportunity is now available for those running for office to show that who they are.
34:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Democrats have always, it seems,
34:59
[SPEAKER_01]: to define who they are.
35:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You got Michael Johnson, more on that point.
35:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
35:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're coming.
35:05
[SPEAKER_01]: They're anti this, they're anti that.
35:07
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to elect, well, you've just defined you the Democrats.
35:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Why aren't the Democrats going, no?
35:11
[SPEAKER_01]: We're the party for, you know, working man.
35:13
[SPEAKER_01]: We're the party for this.
35:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Come and talk to us.
35:15
[SPEAKER_01]: We're here.
35:16
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what people need in one.
35:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And the candidates who do that, the best in those districts and in those states are the ones that are going to win.
35:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just going to do jump in and talk to my listeners here who might get upset over that thinking, no, I don't let the Republicans manipulate me, but unfortunately we do see it because we and I'm not going to point to you.
35:39
[SPEAKER_00]: You, listener, and say it's you, but in a general sense, it's true where publicans are setting the tone, because if we call ourselves liberal, all of a sudden they make liberal a dirty word.
35:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Thumbness is a dirty word.
35:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it just becomes the accepted term.
35:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though plenty of liberals like myself will not accept it, it's, you know, whether it's through mainstream media, whatever,
36:02
[SPEAKER_00]: they seem to do very well at narrating and kind of taking on the messaging in a bigger sense.
36:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That's argue within the frame and that's yeah, that he is what bothers the crap out of me, you know, I don't want to say I'm a liberal on this.
36:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what would I want to say, I'm locked was a liberal.
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm locked liberalism would be conservativeism today.
36:25
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing wrong with saying that you're a liberal.
36:29
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing wrong with saying you're a progressive.
36:31
[SPEAKER_01]: You get to define what that term is.
36:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't think.
36:36
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when you have a problem, and that's why I get upset with the Democrats.
36:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I say we have two parties in this country, one is no hard, and one has no head.
36:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm getting tired of the Democrats running around headless, and the Republicans are heartless.
36:51
[SPEAKER_01]: They will do anything and circle around anyone, even Ken Patston trying to make a race.
36:56
[SPEAKER_01]: The Republicans are horrible, legislating, great at winning races.
37:01
[SPEAKER_01]: The Democrats are horrible at winning races, and great at legislating.
37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus, together they might make a good human being.
37:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Democrats frustrate the living crap out of me, by, you know, I get tired of the whole year then now preach that I get from some Democrats, you know, we're this, we're that, we're so good.
37:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I go, well, if you're so good, why do you lose to Trump twice?
37:23
[SPEAKER_01]: No, good God, you know, you may have great ideas, but your organization stinks, fella.
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to, you need to get elected before you can tell me what, you know, great, I didn't, you know, stop your infighting until you get elected too.
37:38
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's not something I just can't even take.
37:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't, I mean, I have pulled back so much because I can't get involved in all of the name calling and the purity and it's pissing you off so much.
37:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just, you know, I'm bowing out of it.
37:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even participating in it.
37:53
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I remind everyone that, you know, I'm not a partisan.
37:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just a reporter.
37:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone got mad at me because I interviewed Michael Cohen after he, you know, flip sides.
38:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I interviewed him before he flip sides.
38:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a reporter.
38:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a horror.
38:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll talk to anybody.
38:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and anybody who didn't know that, you know,
38:15
[SPEAKER_01]: that Michael Cohen would flip.
38:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I got that asked Peter Baker at the New York Times, so we're used to surprise when he flipped it.
38:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody is surprised.
38:23
[SPEAKER_01]: The Michael Cohen flipped.
38:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't view my documentary on the first 100 days of the White House of the New Trump administration.
38:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I interviewed Michael Cohen two days into it and he pretty much said he would flip.
38:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And wow, documentary.
38:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, by the way that is premiering at the Chelsea Film Festival, October in New York for all those who want to come down and see it.
38:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, wait, wait, wait, what date?
38:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And what time?
38:46
[SPEAKER_01]: October 18th.
38:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the, what is it, the theater on in Chelsea, where they had the Chelsea Film Festival, 145 p.m. on October 18th, everyone's invited.
39:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You can come out and watch that and Kelly, I'll send you a part, I think it's a part of a personal, yeah, he's in it, right?
39:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
39:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he is.
39:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Makes a excellent prediction in it too.
39:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and I have pictures of you interviewing him and it turned out really what I mean if, you know, the, the, and where I was going with all this is that, you know, I, I think that we have begun to, just because you talked to someone means that you are now one of them and I, and that's the father.
39:40
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and you know, and the Democrats are so busy fighting with each other over.
39:47
[SPEAKER_01]: who's left, who's right, who should be in the party, who is in the school around again and snatch a feet out of the JavaScript, but I will say this time that the Republicans have lowered the bar so much that I think even the Democrats with their infighting can crawl over at least I hope so.
40:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with that.
40:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with that because I look at what happened in 2018 and we had a larger turnout for the midterms than usual.
40:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it
40:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to pay percent, I think.
40:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we had our grails then.
40:20
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really have them now.
40:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're seeing, I mean, oh, and then let's not forget the price of gas and how that's going to affect voters, you know?
40:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not going to go down to 250 before November 3rd.
40:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So our groceries are going up.
40:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything's going up.
40:36
[SPEAKER_00]: People are going to feel it and it seems like.
40:39
[SPEAKER_00]: The average American who may not be paying attention to all the bullshit and all the arguing and all that, they are paying attention to how much they're paying for stuff.
40:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And that generally gets people to the polls, because when people are, I always say, when you're uncomfortable, if you're a person who doesn't vote, but then you become uncomfortable, all of a sudden, you become a voter.
40:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and now I wanna turn this around to one more thing, because I wanna talk about the Cornell seven, and specifically,
41:06
[SPEAKER_00]: with U.S. a male reporter and looking at how this country, which is a patriarchy, deals with rape and then how the press reports on rape and how so many times.
41:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to just start this off by saying, I realize the press can never just make an accusation and point the fingers and call somebody who
41:31
[SPEAKER_00]: is accused of, you know, assuming that they're rapists.
41:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you've got to do your job correctly and not accusations that haven't been proven.
41:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But all that said, the way that it's written about always puts the victims as the ones at fault.
41:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, we've got judges, we've got reporters, we've got just regular people, what was she wearing?
41:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously men get raped too,
42:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's usually the women and they're not believed, and then all the time we're hearing, you know, there are people in my life who I won't say their names, but, you know, people I know privately, who will say, you know, why didn't those women speak up?
42:15
[SPEAKER_00]: They're still saying it.
42:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we all know the reason, well, no, we don't know all the reason, but the reason is because if they do speak up, they're villainized.
42:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, we've got this story coming out about these
42:28
[SPEAKER_00]: young men who raped a woman, gang raped her for seven hours, had a text chat, all these people saw it, nobody did anything, and then, you know, I see this story, and I have to process it and deal with it.
42:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I remember, oh yeah, wasn't it just earlier this year?
42:44
[SPEAKER_00]: We found out about the rape academy, where husbands were learning from other men how to rape their wives, and I just forgot about it because you're so much shit going on,
42:56
[SPEAKER_00]: to handle sexual assault in this country.
42:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now we've got a president who was found guilty in court basically of raping E. Jean Carroll.
43:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody knows he's in the upstream files.
43:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody assumes he's, you know, a pedophile.
43:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what it does is it makes everybody else in the country go, okay, well, this is just how it is.
43:20
[SPEAKER_00]: How can not only how can we as a country, but specifically because you're with depressed, what would you say is a better way to handle sexual assault that takes us all out of this victim blaming mentality, which just pisses me off so much?
43:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's start with the fact that I was a crime be reporter for many years.
43:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
43:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to the fact that my mother would,
43:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So for through sexual harassment and attempted rape being a woman in a man's world, she had guy come over her, uh, the stall when she was working one day and tried to rape her and luckily she punched the shit out of him right now.
43:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, and it first, she got grief over it.
44:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I was a teenage boy and I knew what my mom was going through.
44:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, I threatened to
44:15
[SPEAKER_01]: As a prime painter, Porter, you have to treat everyone as though they're innocent until proven guilty.
44:20
[SPEAKER_01]: This is true.
44:21
[SPEAKER_01]: However, when you concentrate on covering a story, usually, and from my time at America's most wanted, the idea was always to personalize the victims and let the people see who the victims are and what they went through.
44:36
[SPEAKER_01]: In this country, there has been long been the assumption that, oh, well, maybe she was dressed per bucket.
44:44
[SPEAKER_01]: or maybe she was, you know, not doing what she should have been doing, maybe she tempted him or as Clay Williams said, when he was running for governor in the state of Texas against Anne Richards, if you're getting raped, you might as well sit back relax and enjoy it.
45:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I always reflect back on what my mother went through because she was, you know, at a time when women basically, she couldn't even buy a home because she was divorced.
45:11
[SPEAKER_01]: She had to have some of co-sign.
45:13
[SPEAKER_01]: She had to get her loans to get a credit card.
45:16
[SPEAKER_01]: All of that, mom was at a disadvantage and she stood up and stood against it.
45:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And I use her as my,
45:22
[SPEAKER_01]: She's one of my heroes of my life, and everything that she did in the 60s to be on her own, raising four kids by herself, going through this kind of crap in a man's world, I still respect her for that to this day.
45:35
[SPEAKER_01]: She's my hero.
45:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I try to apply that to my work by saying, I will go and talk to victims first.
45:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And you make the assumption that the victim, you don't assume that the accused is guilty,
45:52
[SPEAKER_01]: But the assumption that what the person, the victim, went through, you assume that they're telling you the truth until it's proven otherwise, or they have a background that preclude you believing them.
46:05
[SPEAKER_01]: For example, if it's a con artist, yeah, you know, I can't always believe this son of a bitch.
46:11
[SPEAKER_01]: But the woman who was right for seven hours that are multiple witnesses too, where's the problem in believing that?
46:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I've interviewed you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great victims, I've interviewed families of murder victims.
46:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen people in a state of decomposition after the murder, I've watched people die in front of me and I've seen people beat the living crap out.
46:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I pulled up with a cop one time to a domestic disturbance where a guy was beating the crap out of his wife in the only reason why he stopped it.
46:42
[SPEAKER_01]: What in the cop with a gun?
46:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the local reporter with a son gun and a camera.
46:47
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't want to be on tell you.
46:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he stopped and she kicked him in the nuts.
46:51
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's go back.
46:52
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a guy covered, there was a guy went on an eight-state crime spree with he had beat up his girlfriend and put her in the trunk of a car and then drove around, they were from Long Island.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he opened up the trunk after about six or seventh time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was able to get loose and beat the shit out of him because she was from Long Island and I've got love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kelly, I'm not taking this.
47:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see more of that.
47:22
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I find the Cornell situation
47:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I went to college.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, thank you, sir.
47:32
[SPEAKER_01]: May I have another?
47:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not ever want to join a fraternity because I knew what those people are.
47:37
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just, uh, they're a young Donald Trump's and young Republicans.
47:41
[SPEAKER_01]: They have no identity in and push their identity into a group identity.
47:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And when they all get together and drink a little bit, they can think it's all right to treat people a certain way.
47:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And it isn't oftentimes,
47:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It has been my experience in interviewing criminals and having interviewed a bunch of them.
48:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Misogyny is not the only problem that they have.
48:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Every misogynist I've interviewed is a narcissist or worse amisenthrope.
48:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And so their misogyny is a function of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Women, they find easier to take advantage of because they're actually afraid of men.
48:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I always cheer when a woman gets, you know, the one up on these beta males who think that they're really alpha males, they're not.
48:32
[SPEAKER_01]: They're their weak people.
48:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And they are mostly misinthropes, they're fearful, they're ignorant, and they are not only narcissistic, but capable of extreme violence.
48:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course,
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're the ones that are capable of jumping in a trunk and waiting for their favorite person to come out too.
48:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not just Natalie Ar.
48:52
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, so it's what we need in this country in regards to that.
49:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this goes back to bad.
49:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it goes back to bad parenting.
49:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it goes back to a lack of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: sometimes coddled growing up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, you're expected not to cry or not to show a vision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is no, you know, there's good male role models or rare these days.
49:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you grow up not knowing what it means to be a male.
49:32
[SPEAKER_01]: You get together with some other guys who don't know what it means to be, you know, a man, and pretty soon, you know, you're raping people for seven hours and thinking, it's okay.
49:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Now that's an extreme, but it is part of the problem.
49:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wish there were more decent, you know, parents, men, parents, but it's the way that they've been raised.
49:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wasn't raised that way, thankfully.
49:56
[SPEAKER_01]: My dad wasn't that way.
49:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, my grandparents weren't that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were immigrants from Lebanon and from Ireland and God knows where else, you know, I'm just a mud.
50:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But treating people with respect was how I was brought up.
50:13
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you treat people not to respect other people, and that goes back to your question about Donald Trump, when you go back to treating, in Donald Trump, you know, he has, he is in our system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has no consideration, but for anyone but himself,
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[SPEAKER_01]: people look up to for better or for worse the president of the United States is a role model and you see and I'm not me but you know there are others that do and I look at him as a paid flunky you ought to do his damn job or you know look what payin him and fire his ass but those are people who have been taught and raised to treat people in power as if they have some moral superiority and so they take their guiding you know how they react and act
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[SPEAKER_01]: from what they see.
51:00
[SPEAKER_01]: So Donald Trump is enabling the worst angels of people.
51:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're seeing that in a variety of avenues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We see it in Congress.
51:10
[SPEAKER_01]: We see it in business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We see it in a law.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We see it in our entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We certainly see it in how some men treat women.
51:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And that story in Cornell is to me one of the most.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've covered stories like that before for America's most wanted
51:28
[SPEAKER_01]: My mother was a victim of an attempted rape and I cannot for the life of me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't stomach it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah my mother also was attempted um i do you know the idea about parents i think is important and i saw video of a man talking to his two sons and i think a father i should say talking to his two sons and i would assume the two sons were probably between the ages of like nine and eleven and he didn't go into detail about the Cornell story but he did say
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if it ever gets to a point where, you know, you're aware that people are hurting someone else, you know, what do you do about that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you handle that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, he had the children answer him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, if you find out that somebody's hurting a woman or hurting somebody else in general, what do you do about that?
52:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you tell?
52:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, I mean, I remember many, many, many years ago, I
52:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's always these stories of rape that come up, and everybody talks about it, and then it dies down, and then it comes up, and we talk about it and it dies down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember the lovely duo chicks on the right, basically saying, you know, yeah, I teach my son not to rape, you know, I tell him not to rape, and it's like, that's not how you teach people not to rape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't say, don't rape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you have to explain consent.
52:47
[SPEAKER_00]: There was an adult man that I talked to, I don't remember when this was, within the last 10 years.
52:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And this man was probably in his 60s or 70s at the time.
52:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said something about when you're intimate with someone and you're right there, you're just about to do the deed.
53:05
[SPEAKER_00]: But then the woman says, you know what, I don't want to do this.
53:09
[SPEAKER_00]: than the man needs to respect her and not expect that an orgasm, basically.
53:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And this man was surprised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If the woman says no, you don't do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You go jack off in the closet and get it with.
53:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You could still have your orgasm.
53:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you don't have, you know, I never know sex.
53:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I was raised differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, you know, I saw what my mom went through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: taught me and my dad, you know, taught me respect for other human beings.
53:42
[SPEAKER_01]: So, if a girl said no, it was, all right, there are other girls.
53:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Elve, girls out in the number of guys on the planet.
53:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's funny in the face, funny by saying yes.
53:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't find one of them.
53:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Make it easy with that.
53:58
[SPEAKER_01]: What was dinner?
53:59
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you don't know, that's
54:02
[SPEAKER_01]: had a good conversation, she's great, move on to someone who wants to, I mean, the aspect of pushing and look, it isn't just, you know, I, you know, the, what was the movie where the young, it was the comedy movie where the young kid is played by, oh, I forget the comedian who is, in essence, molestive by his teacher.
54:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And I forget the name of the movie and the comedian involved.
54:34
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, people were going, and the men, when they found out that the young kid was, this was a gorgeous teacher and, you know, he was like a seventh or eighth grader and she, you know, molested him.
54:46
[SPEAKER_01]: He liked it.
54:47
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going lucky guy.
54:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, most guys are so
54:58
[SPEAKER_01]: to get an honest response out of someone because of the machismo.
55:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
55:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
55:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm good looking.
55:06
[SPEAKER_01]: She hit on me.
55:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
55:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, guys are, I think there's the more common molestation of young boys doesn't come from women.
55:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it comes from men.
55:28
[SPEAKER_01]: the coaches and all of that is, and guys don't talk about that and they don't have a hard time admitting to it or, and they have, they should put themselves, I've seen some of the very sane people who have had that happen to them, having interviewed them, not understand why a woman would feel difficulties coming forward and happen to them.
55:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a complex issue, can it?
55:58
[SPEAKER_01]: very much.
56:00
[SPEAKER_01]: But children should grow up, and you know, this isn't the middle ages.
56:07
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't where, you know, childhood ends at 12 and you start working on the same thing.
56:12
[SPEAKER_01]: We have an extended childhood in the United States.
56:16
[SPEAKER_01]: After 18, you're considered an adult and it's up to the parents to instill the respect for human rights and the respect for, you know, other people, my
56:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got 18 years to do that as a parent.
56:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, children are on their own.
56:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they don't get it from you in those 18 years, you might bear some responsibility for that.
56:40
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's also up to the people who are now 18.
56:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You can either learn from omission or omission of acts.
56:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't want to hear from someone who was engaged in rape behavior that my parents never taught me better.
56:54
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, from I will agree that parents
56:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, a responsibility to their children to teach them correctly, but we all know right from wrong.
57:04
[SPEAKER_01]: You know it isn't right to type people up.
57:07
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have a problem with that, if you don't understand that, you shouldn't be out on the streets for any reason.
57:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so learn.
57:16
[SPEAKER_01]: From all mission or permission of act, you know, I coached a little league flip on high school football for years and recently I posted something I found a came across an old picture and I posted it on Facebook and I said, hey, I just want to thank everybody ever coached her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: anyone that was who was one of my, you know, funnest times I've ever had my life at Beats interviewing celebrities or talking to politicians just, you know, the fun that we had with my kids growing up and all these other kids, you know, getting together and ready for a Saturday and a game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was some of the most fun still is, you know, and I was surprised I got a lot of people
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[SPEAKER_01]: came back and said, thanks coach and one of them said, you know, you told me what it was like to be a man.
57:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for being a father figure and happy interiors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had I, you know, I just, you know, I, you know, I think there needs to be more mentors for young men, so that we avoid these situations, both being the cause of the of the of the rape and the recipient and the receiving that from a.
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[SPEAKER_01]: from a pedophile, I think men are woefully inadequately mentored, and I'm not making excuses for what occurs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just telling what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that young women, it has been my opinion that young women are among the strongest people I've ever met.
58:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish men were a strong
58:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think we solved all the world's problems today.
58:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a proper role.
58:52
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't used the net.
58:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd less a good rock and roll band.
58:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, wait a minute.
58:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I've talked about this maybe with at least one other person.
59:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much of a fan of the Rolling Stones you are, but this new song, Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Charm, have you heard it?
59:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh my god.
59:08
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fucking awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the best songs I've ever heard and that guy's like, what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: 83, 84?
59:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he can rock and roll baby.
59:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
59:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
59:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the stones have always been my band.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like my favorite band in the world.
59:21
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, in the last several years, I haven't been super excited about their new releases, but Mr.
59:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Charm came out and I'm like, oh my god, this song.
59:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't stop listening to it.
59:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it so much.
59:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but I know what you're saying.
59:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Where's the rock and roll?
59:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And are you playing rock and roll?
59:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you playing anywhere anytime soon?
59:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I was at a party the other day and I've got this thing.
59:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It was karaoke and I He karaoke, but I did Me and House Barks were singing and I got through the YouTube song all I wanted you So well, I've got to take this hold on just second
59:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Brian was interrupted by a phone call.
59:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to pick up one, you know, we're going to pick up where we left off.
1:00:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And both of it still remember rolling stone.
1:00:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Mister, that's right.
1:00:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I was asking you if you were talking about singing karaoke.
1:00:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're talking about the two by you, too.
1:00:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was a fun one to sing, but yeah, I do a couple of my band as a couple of stones covers and what do you do?
1:00:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Which one's to you do?
1:00:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's see dead flowers and that one.
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that.
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of that.
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, um, you've got the silver you've got gold and we do, um, gosh, um, monkey man.
1:00:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:00:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I know all the words to dead flowers.
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love that one.
1:00:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And do you want to hear songs?
1:00:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I like what
1:01:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And miles and miles.
1:01:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see from miles and the stones so much fun.
1:01:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so fun to rock and roll.
1:01:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You ain't shit, I love rock and roll is good for the soul, that and a good night of comedy is great.
1:01:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I like to put my headphones on and listen to music and dance around my living room at night.
1:01:40
[SPEAKER_00]: That's usually what I do.
1:01:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I like after dinner instead of taking a walk, I just do that.
1:01:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but it's always nice talking to you and before I let you go, I want you to remind everybody
1:01:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, all free the press, the podcast is just asked the question and I have a column in Salon once a week and then you can find me on everywhere, you know, on, you know, the internet, wherever fine media or sold podcast or sold, streaming gear, streaming gear, Brian Caram on Substack, it's reporters notebook and Brian Caram and then of course just
1:02:24
[SPEAKER_01]: The newsletter is on so stack.
1:02:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Wherever, I'm like everybody else, you know, everywhere all the time.
1:02:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Everywhere all that once.
1:02:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that song, boo.
1:02:36
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
1:02:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know that we'll talk before the election, but maybe after.
1:02:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, hold on, hold on, stay strong.
1:02:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Get out, vote for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Viva Democracy.
1:02:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Amen.