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Josh Miller of Vermont Fatherhood · Aired Out

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  Speaker 1: As conn distant a.
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  Speaker 2: vt dot com. It is very cold. It's it's yes,
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  Speaker 2: rosty cold. What are we saying right now? Negative five.
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  Speaker 3: Is what I have? Is that right? Just double checking here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Negative five right now? Up to eighteen later today
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  Speaker 2: at least it's gonna be sunny though tonight three above Tomorrow,
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  Speaker 2: snow in the afternoon about an inch or two. I
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  Speaker 2: think Ben was saying like two to four actually in
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  Speaker 2: some parts. So just be careful driving, especially that afternoon
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  Speaker 2: commute Tomorrow again lower thirties, so we are gonna be
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  Speaker 2: rebounding big time. So we get the warmer temperatures, but
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  Speaker 2: we get the snow with it. Wednesday we're looking at
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  Speaker 2: clouds and thirty Thursday, clouds and some sun and around
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  Speaker 2: twenty six degrees. Natter Tator on the birthday list today,
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  Speaker 2: morning and thanks for sharing your your day with me
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  Speaker 2: here at Central Vermunce Podcast. How about last night's game?
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  Speaker 2: Josh Miller is sitting right next to me from Vermont Fatherhood.
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  Speaker 2: You watched, I'm guessing we got we just throw the
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  Speaker 2: mic over and from your.
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  Speaker 4: Puny him fak.
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  Speaker 2: You watched the game. You said your son as a
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  Speaker 2: big Pats fan, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's a big Pats fan.
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  Speaker 3: You see. Okay, this morning, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, I didn't check in with him, but yeah, he
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  Speaker 5: left fairly unhappy. We were all together, and you know, he's.
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  Speaker 4: He's settled down over the years.
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  Speaker 5: He's you know, and also he's you know, got like
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  Speaker 5: a bunch of championships.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, we're too bad that much to complain about.
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  Speaker 4: He's not a.
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  Speaker 5: Vikings fan like me, which you know it could be
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  Speaker 5: as it could be harder for him, so I don't
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  Speaker 5: have that much sympathy. But he was definitely disappointed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 2: I lost track of how many times made was uh
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  Speaker 2: was sacked? I really did, Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 4: I think he was sacked the most by any quarterback
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  Speaker 4: in the.
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  Speaker 2: Playoffs this year. Yeah, but he did great as well. Great, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: yeah he did. Yeah, amazing and a lot of pressure.
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine that kind of pressure.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah really yeah, Well it's you know, this guy was
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  Speaker 5: a second year quarterback and he's you know, they I
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  Speaker 5: think he surprised everybody by even doing as well as
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  Speaker 5: he did. And I was there and yeah, so you know,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you take it, take your wins, and and
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  Speaker 5: uh you come back next year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah what I said, hopefully hopefully hopefully back.
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  Speaker 2: And I would think that he would be because he
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  Speaker 2: really proved himself, I thought, not necessarily in the super Bowl,
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  Speaker 2: but very much throughout the throughout the year. But what
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  Speaker 2: did you what did you catch any of the half
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  Speaker 2: Did you see any halftime show?
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  Speaker 4: I did watch it.
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  Speaker 5: It was interesting, you know, it was uh one is
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's fun to watch.
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  Speaker 4: The halftime show is always great. Commercials are always great.
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  Speaker 5: And and there's a lot of hype about bad Bunny
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  Speaker 5: and that, and so I'm not I'm not quite on
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  Speaker 5: board with bad Bunny, but a lot of people are
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  Speaker 5: and you know, it's just it's a fun thing to
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  Speaker 5: you know, just get out there and do do the
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  Speaker 5: entertainment piece.
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  Speaker 4: And uh, probably not my favorite.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, partially I do have a little Spanish,
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  Speaker 5: but I could not really understand the lyrics, so yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that that throws me off.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I was kind of admittedly, I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: was nice couple of a couple of nice celebrity cameos,
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  Speaker 2: but I was it was nice to see uh uh
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  Speaker 2: got him drawing a blank right now, Lady Gaga.
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  Speaker 3: Ye, But yeah, I was kind of lost during that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I know a lot of people flipped
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  Speaker 2: over to YouTube and watched the Turning Point USA YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 2: It was about four point eight I think at the
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  Speaker 2: peak of people watching that with.
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  Speaker 3: With Kid Rock and a few others. But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 5: I always doing better with artists who are a little
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  Speaker 5: more old school that they've been doing it for years,
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  Speaker 5: because I just have I am so not with the
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  Speaker 5: program with the new music, so yeah, it's more so
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  Speaker 5: I'm not there yet, but but yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah it's good. I was adding more into the game
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  Speaker 4: than I am.
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  Speaker 5: The halftime show anywayself yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw him, but it's you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'll be I know, I'm gonna be having fun about
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  Speaker 2: this all week long.
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  Speaker 3: I don't I just the Robert Kraft yawn. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see that?
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  Speaker 4: Did you? Yeah? Millions of other people did too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, is it because you're just in
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  Speaker 5: another super Bowl again? Or you were just like it
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  Speaker 5: was not that excited, or it's too late for you
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  Speaker 5: to be up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's yeah, maybe a combination of all of
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  Speaker 2: the above. But man, it's like the camera guys, like
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  Speaker 2: you see it coming. He's like, oh, he's going to
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  Speaker 2: go in for yawn and they kept the camera on him.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, full ony on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I'm happy to see you.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 2: The last time you were in here it was stupid cold. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and here it is again. I get a five this
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  Speaker 2: week there and you and I both were in our
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  Speaker 2: ball caps. We haven't figured this out yet, but I.
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  Speaker 4: Know, and I complained about my kids not dressing appropriate
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  Speaker 4: for the weather. So here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, tell tell us about Vermont fatherhood. For folks that
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  Speaker 2: are not familiar, you're in here the second Monday of
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  Speaker 2: the month. What is Vermont fatherhood?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well thanks for having me. I appreciate it a lot.
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  Speaker 5: And from my fatherhood is the bear bones explanation is
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  Speaker 5: is you know, it's a place where deaths can come
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  Speaker 5: and get supported and really helping dads be better dads.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it's it's you know, learning from
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  Speaker 5: other guys. We all have a place to come talk
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  Speaker 5: about what's tough and and not feel judged and to
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  Speaker 5: be able to do that and learn a few things
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  Speaker 5: about parenting and and uh, you know, and also just community.
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  Speaker 5: I mean that's a big part of it. Is Really
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  Speaker 5: the idea is you know, I'm not I'm not a
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  Speaker 5: therapist or a counselor, but that people can come and
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  Speaker 5: you know, we meet other people and we're kind of,
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  Speaker 5: you know, all in this together trying to figure it out,
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  Speaker 5: you know. And and I think a lot of times
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  Speaker 5: dads can can lone wolf fit. They're tough and they
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  Speaker 5: they got this and or they don't and they still
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  Speaker 5: don't reach out and and really trying to get guys
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  Speaker 5: together to say, yeah, this is hard stuff, and how
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  Speaker 5: do we do it better? And how do we do
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  Speaker 5: it differently than you know, maybe how we grew up
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  Speaker 5: and and and for our kids and for our families
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  Speaker 5: and the most important thing for all of us.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, just you know, a space to do that in
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  Speaker 5: a way that I think works for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 5: And hoping more guys feel comfortable to come by and
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  Speaker 5: just check it out and you know, have a quick conversation,
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  Speaker 5: a cup of coffee and and talk about what's up.
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  Speaker 2: How did this this? This tell me more about the
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  Speaker 2: inception of this. You were in Burlington, right and and
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  Speaker 2: kind of got something going over there.
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  Speaker 5: Well, actually, if I were to go back a little
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  Speaker 5: bit in time, so I used to work in southern Vermont.
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  Speaker 5: I used to live in Brattleborough. And the initial thing
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  Speaker 5: was I was working at a school called Kendall Farm
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  Speaker 5: School for at risk boys, and I had this like
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  Speaker 5: epiphany of realizing how many of the guys didn't have
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  Speaker 5: their dads around, and so these guys are struggling. They
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  Speaker 5: were you know, I was going through and and uh
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  Speaker 5: and my personal stories. I grew up without a dad,
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  Speaker 5: so you know, putting those things together and just realizing
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  Speaker 5: you know that that's such a such a need. And
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  Speaker 5: and I had done some groups with other men and
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  Speaker 5: and just really kind of I grew a lot, I
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  Speaker 5: think as a man and as a person, and and
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  Speaker 5: I was like, well, let's get some guys together talk
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  Speaker 5: about being dads. And so I approached a place called
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  Speaker 5: Early Education Services, which is like a head Start parents
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  Speaker 5: Chiut Center program, and just said, hey, I like you
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  Speaker 5: started a dad's group.
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  Speaker 4: And they were up for it.
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  Speaker 5: And I just you know, came into an evening group
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  Speaker 5: and we did childcare and food and it just took off.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the guys just I mean they were so
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  Speaker 5: hungry for you know, conversation and talking about what it
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  Speaker 5: means to be a dad, what it means to be
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  Speaker 5: a man, and you know, learning some things and just connecting.
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  Speaker 4: With other guys. And it was, you know, it was
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  Speaker 4: pretty regular.
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  Speaker 5: We created a nice thing after a little bit of
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  Speaker 5: time of hey see you Thursday night.
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  Speaker 4: You know, like guys are telling each other on the street,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, we'd get a lot of guys coming,
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  Speaker 5: and I think it had a big impact not just
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  Speaker 5: on those guys and their families, but the community. I
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  Speaker 5: think really realized how much, you know, we get dads
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  Speaker 5: on board, how much you can really help families.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you said, got to bring this to the
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  Speaker 2: Granite City.
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  Speaker 4: Got to Yeah, I came here.
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  Speaker 5: I moved here to Central mod probably like eleven years
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  Speaker 5: or so ago, and I remember walking through Barry and
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  Speaker 5: just seeing their dad's around, their dads with the kids.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was summertime, and I just was like, well,
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  Speaker 5: these guys, you know, they could use a place to
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  Speaker 5: just go to and talk about being dads and and
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  Speaker 5: and you know, it was just a feeling I had
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  Speaker 5: early on. And then I had a little offshoot, a
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  Speaker 5: long offshoot about eleven years and in Berlinton working with
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  Speaker 5: families up there, working with dads specifically. And but then
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  Speaker 5: I just I was became the director there and I
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  Speaker 5: just did not I was like, it was fine, it
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  Speaker 5: was great, and I love the organization, but realized how
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  Speaker 5: much I want to work with dads and and so
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  Speaker 5: I came back to Barry and just you know, hung
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  Speaker 5: up my shingle back in June, and I'm just really
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  Speaker 5: excited about what's building here and dads are coming, and
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  Speaker 5: I just I think a lot of people are excited
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  Speaker 5: about it and want to just continue to support dads
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  Speaker 5: and families and and you know, all all members of
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  Speaker 5: the family and because we need it.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard, it's hard work out there.
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  Speaker 2: Vermont Fatherhood dot org is your site in on there
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  Speaker 2: is kind of a snapshot of all that you do.
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  Speaker 2: And a big part of that is Tuesday nights.
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  Speaker 3: What what? What is?
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  Speaker 2: What's happening on Tuesday nights right here in your location
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  Speaker 2: on North Main Street and Berry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a called Dad's Night, Dad's Group.
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  Speaker 5: We have guys come together, we do we do dinner,
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  Speaker 5: we do childcare. Some guys don't have their kids with
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  Speaker 5: them that day, so so it's if you don't have
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  Speaker 5: your kid, or you don't have to, that's not that's
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  Speaker 5: not a requirement. You just show up five o'clock and
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  Speaker 5: you know, just check out with each other, introduce ourselves
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  Speaker 5: and because sometimes there's a new guides really welcome in.
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  Speaker 5: I think again creating a really welcoming space for for
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  Speaker 5: new folks and and really just talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 5: kind of what's going on in the week, talk about
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  Speaker 5: what it means to be a dad, and and trying
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  Speaker 5: to weave in some some education in there too.
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  Speaker 4: Like we've been talking a little bit about child development.
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  Speaker 5: I'm on nutrition. How do we feed our kids, what
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  Speaker 5: how much do we feed our kids? How often do
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  Speaker 5: we feed our kids when? And all that stuff. And
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  Speaker 5: next week I think it is we have a retired
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  Speaker 5: family doctor coming to talk about mince health. And I
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  Speaker 5: just have been really wanted to do that for a
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  Speaker 5: long time because I just think we just don't take
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  Speaker 5: care of ourselves as well as we could. And and
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  Speaker 5: I'm a big preacher of you know, the more you take.
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  Speaker 4: Care of yourself, the better of a father you'll be.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, whether it's sleep, you know, mental health,
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  Speaker 5: physical health, you know, our spiritual health, like all the
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  Speaker 5: pieces that we do. When we're when we're on top
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  Speaker 5: of our stuff, we are way better.
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  Speaker 2: At Did you see that Mike Tyson commercial last night?
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  Speaker 2: I missed that one was talking about processed foods and
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  Speaker 2: how heavy he used to be. Yeah, and it was
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  Speaker 2: just a very profound commercial.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I think it's you know, what
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  Speaker 5: we put in our bodies and how we take care
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  Speaker 5: of ourselves.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I mean just eating bad so hard
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  Speaker 4: to eat.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we're on the fly, we're running around and
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  Speaker 5: you know it's not you know, grab some chicken nuggets
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  Speaker 5: from McDonald's or whatever. It is and instead of you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's not that we can't have that, but just how
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  Speaker 5: do we put other stuff in our body that's good
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  Speaker 5: for us and sure make sure that we're we're sharp
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  Speaker 5: and feeling good and and.
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  Speaker 4: And so reminding ourselves how important that is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to ask you, do you get dads
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  Speaker 2: that that talk about or ask you about how to
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  Speaker 2: navigate the word no, how to how to deal with that,
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  Speaker 2: because at some point it's it becomes really challenging to
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  Speaker 2: say no to your kid if they get around that
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  Speaker 2: age where they're they're defiant. And yesterday was my day.
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of driving the bus solo for a
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  Speaker 2: big part.
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  Speaker 3: Of the day.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know if it was mom's away I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna test dad or not. But man, it's like I
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  Speaker 2: was coming out with the nose left and right. And
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  Speaker 2: not only that, but you need to do this, You
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  Speaker 2: need to do that. You've got some chores and some responsibilities,
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  Speaker 2: and man, the pushback I got was brutal yesterday. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: really hard.
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  Speaker 3: It was bad.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot to say about that, and I think
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  Speaker 5: it's one is how we say no is important. I
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  Speaker 5: think no my last place up at the family room
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  Speaker 5: in Burlington. We talked about saying no is a loving word. Actually,
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  Speaker 5: there are times we need to you know, one of
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  Speaker 5: the things we need to have is we need to
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  Speaker 5: have good boundaries and good limits with our kids.
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  Speaker 4: We also need to have a lot of yeses too.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Yep, you can do that, this is what
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  Speaker 5: you can do, this is what you you know you
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  Speaker 5: can do or hey not now, we'll do it later.
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  Speaker 4: We'll figure it out, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Right now I'm doing something and you're doing something, and
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  Speaker 5: we'll figure.
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  Speaker 4: It out later. But nose are okay.
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  Speaker 5: And but I think that you know, how we say
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  Speaker 5: things is something I talk.
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  Speaker 4: About a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Is it's not just what you say, but the tone
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  Speaker 5: you have, the you know, the words you use a
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  Speaker 5: really matter.
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  Speaker 4: I think around our kids and that we are putting
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  Speaker 4: out a lot of yes is. You know, it's not that.
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  Speaker 6: You always say no, you know, like it's that And
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  Speaker 6: guess what, kids are testing the limits and that's their
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  Speaker 6: job too, That's their job is to push the limits
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  Speaker 6: and find out where's dad at, you know, Mom's not around,
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  Speaker 6: or even if mom is around, or if I get no.
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  Speaker 5: From from one one parent, do I go to the
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  Speaker 5: other parent for the yes and have to be yesterday
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  Speaker 5: Actually it didn't.
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  Speaker 4: Work out well. But you know it's like, how do we,
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  Speaker 4: you know, deal with that?
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  Speaker 5: And I think just recognizing we have certain things that
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  Speaker 5: we're trying to teach our kids and that you know,
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  Speaker 5: there are no's out there and and uh and I
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  Speaker 5: think it's also you know, when can we get to yes?
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  Speaker 4: What does that mean to say?
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  Speaker 5: You know, this is how we get there, This is
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  Speaker 5: what has to happen. You have to clean your room,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you got to go walk the dog and
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  Speaker 5: and and you know, do your homework or whatever, and
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  Speaker 5: then and then let's go.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we'll go do this afterwards, you know something
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 3: Huh.
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  Speaker 2: We we kind of have uh and it's important to
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  Speaker 2: have uh it kind of an agreement with with your
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  Speaker 2: partner if you have one on the word no.
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  Speaker 3: We we Chrilyn and I we we have always.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of followed by the the rule of no wins,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, and I can give you millions of
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  Speaker 2: examples on that. But you know, Lily really wants to
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: ride this particular roller coaster, asks I say yes, if
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: mom says no, not to say. There won't be any
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: pressure put on mom, by myself and by Lily. But
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: in the end, we we both have an understanding that
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: whoever says no is ultimately good win. That's interesting, interesting
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: because you know, we can talk about why she was
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: so insistent on no, what made her uncomfortable, the details
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: about why she was saying no about that particular roller
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: coaster or whatever it is. But that's conversation we'll have later.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: But I was bummed out mom. Mom had to put
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: her foot down and say no.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think it's you know, there are there
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: is that there's navigating the co parenting thing around you know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: yes and no, because we definitely have My wife and
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: I definitely have a you know, she has a no,
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: and and and I have a yes. And if he
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: comes to me first, and if the other one is
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: what Mom says no. This is what happened yesterday. Mom
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: said no.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: My son came to me.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Now I didn't really know when I was in the
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: middle of playing with my ten year old and then
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: he's like, hey.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Can I go do this?
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, that sounds fine, you know.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, well make sure you do this,
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: make sure you do that, and and and and he
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: took off and then his you know, my wife came
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: and was like what and just you know, so we
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: had we had a we had a moment and you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: I realized that chicked at you or him combination, combination,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: and he was like all around like you know, just
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: upset about it. And yep, and you know, for our
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: last conversation, I apologized to her that I made the
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: wrong decision and I let him know that I made
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: the wrong decision and that going forward, I will, you know,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: reinforce what we had Mom and I had talked about
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: and agreed upon what was going to happen is around
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: driving his car. So so that's the that's the thing
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: of like, you know, trying to figure that out and
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: and yeah we do disagree, and trying to figure that
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: out and how we again, how we come together as
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: parents and you know, I knows the sort of the
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: one that kind of rules the roost.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: There might be reasons, but you know, you do got
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: to figure it out later.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: And and I will say the other thing about saying no,
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: and I don't know in your household, but if you're
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: saying no a lot, guess what our kids are going
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: to learn? You know, they're going to learn no back,
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: They're going to learn no to other things. Maybe it's
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: not to you directly, but they'll you know, hey, do
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: you want to go do this?
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: No? No, no, you know.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: And so I think it's important that we balance out
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: our nos and yes is yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: And and and reasonably no.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: Understand why our knows are there, sure, but that we
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: love our kids, we want to keep them safe, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: we want to you know, put them in good position
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: for lots of things.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: And so knows are okay.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: And also yeah, they are very okay and sometimes can
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: be one of the most powerful words that we use.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And it's also important, I think, to tell your kids
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that you don't have to justify or explain or validate
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: your no to anyone other than your mom and dad.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's you know, it's it's it's such
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: an interesting thing. I think it's, you know, there's no
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: one way or the other. And I think people have
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: a different way. But I think that we, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: we some when we say no, no means know in
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: a lot of different contexts. And and I think that
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: you know, how when it comes to our kids, I talk,
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: I talk with what we talked about you know, about
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: limit setting a lot, and I think it's just so important.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Kids just don't know what those are and and and
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: they're not going to get it even if you explain
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: it seven times, it doesn't matter because they want it
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: to be yes. That we just have to you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: the bottom line, and and that's that is really important
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: for kids to know there are limits to things, and
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: and that when you know when we say.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: No, that you need to you know, follow that.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: And you know, you can come up with all the
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: reasons in the world as a parent, but you're getting're right.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: You know, you don't have to justify every single one
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: like you want to teach teach our kids.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: But we also just need to say nope, not today.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I remember my mom saying, and I'm sure many can
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: relate to this, just saying because I said no, or
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: because I said so.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Because I said so. Yeah.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're diving deep this morning into not just fatherhood,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I think parenthood, but from a fatherhood is a new
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: organization right here, nonprofit on North Main Street in Barry.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Josh Miller as my guest, and we're diving into how
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: parents can be better, do more for our kids, support independence,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: build confidence, build trust. And one of the challenges with
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: my little girl at eleven years old now is we
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: got the tablets, we got the devices. She doesn't have
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: her own cell phone yet, but wants to use my
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: cell phone, always looking for a charger, always looking to
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: be tethered and connected. And there's a lot to be
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: said about this because I think, especially when it's a
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: really really cold day, your kid is home, it's yeah,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I think it's important to break away and do something.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Get outside if you can be active, make a snowman
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: and go sledting, build a fort, do something. But also indoors,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: help me clean this or that room, or let's have fun,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: let's do a project together, Let's maybe do some some
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: some arts and crafts or something. Let's watch a movie together.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: But man, so many kids want to just like get
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: so locked in two their tablets. Yeah, yeah, but they
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: want to be and that's important that they can be
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: connected to their friends when they're when they're when they're
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: at home.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I wasn't able to do that.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Uh it's a big it's a it's a big
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: one in our home.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Trying to figure that out.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Uh, what I'll say is that you know, yeah, I
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: think that can you bounce it out with some activity?
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Can you do can we you know, go play basketball
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: if it's inside, like it's been hard, it's been hard
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: to winteres say go outside and play, go outside and
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: do that. You know, there's a lot there's a lot
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: of snow. It's not going anywhere. It's hard to you know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: usually I can get the guys out, let's go play
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: football and you know, just run around and do that.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: And it's been hard to do. It's not you know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: we we don't have a lot of space to do that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: And it's really cold outside and so we get we
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: get locked in inside and and uh, you know, so
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: how can we you know, balance that out with some
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: activity and some games. And I think that there's a
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: lot it's a big conversation, but I think, you know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: one thing I'll say is the technology today is so smart,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: it's so good, it's so entertaining and so addictive, and
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: it's not just kids, and so how do we you know,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: model that and say we'll go do this.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: But we're we're on it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: You know, we're working on them, we're we're socializing on them,
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: we're you know, distracting ourselves with it. It's great, it's
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: such great, you know stuff, but we got to, you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: make sure that we're like, hey, let's put our phones down.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Everybody put our phones down, and you know, whatever their
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: device is, and let's let's play a game.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: I was like yesterday, it was like, all right, let's
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: play Henry, let's play sorry, let's go do you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: let's go do this, like let's play basketball.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: You know, he's got a little basketball hoop in his room,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Like let's do this.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And fictionary and cleaning his.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Room and oh I love that you and uh and
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: you know, like just mix it up a bit. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: there's that, and then still setting limit because there's still
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: a lot of time in the day, like okay, so
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: clean your room took twenty minutes, played basketball for half
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: an hour. We played a game for twenty minutes, and
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: there's still one more time. Heye you eat breakfast? Did
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: you take a shower?
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Did you you know.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Whatever it is?
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: And and uh, you know, and some days, you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: when when you get a buddy over, that's kind of
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: nice and even if they're they're on games, they're hanging
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: out together fun. But it is hard, and that's where
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: I talk about know's it's like you just gotta.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: You know, and and parents don't always agree on that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: Either, you know, and so but yeah, I think gets
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: you know, try to trying to get our kids to
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: do other stuff.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: But it's it's a it's a daily battle.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: For I think most families, Yeah, of doing that.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: And it's February, sure, exactly, And and just the overall,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: you know, not wanting to leave the house. But there
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: are so many, uh, there's so many great things you
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: can find if you're especially you know, we're talking about
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: social media here, but I mean, man, it's like all
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: over Facebook, the events, things going on, uh, things indoors,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: so much happening. I mean I was just taking a
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: glance through what's happening in Burlington alone, just this this
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: past weekend. Just tons of stuff. And and think that
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: we you know, we've got a couple of great gyms.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: We've got gyms with pools. You can get down to
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: White River and and get into indoors and just really
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: chew up a whole day and you're you're you're being
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: physically active and you're having a good time too. Bring
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: and and and let your kids bring friends with them too.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: No, that's the ticket.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: And I think what I'll say, if you have the
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: resources and the transportation to be able to go, you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: let's hop in the car and go do this. It
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: does take you know, you got to kind of as
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: a parent, you got to kind of you know, because
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: it's like, oh gosh, I gotta stet the car, it's cold,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: it's everything else. Yeah, and it's hard to motivate, but yes,
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: let's go do something or even have something that's regular
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: that's kind of built in, like go down and do something.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: And I think that that's I mean, I need to
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: do a better job of that, you know, just like
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: let's get out of here and go do something. And
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: uh and I think, you know, it's it's it's hard
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: to do, but we got to do it and mix
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: it up with our kids, even in the cold winter months.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: And and you know.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: It's also the other piece of it that is the
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: value of that it's not just getting out of the
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: house and opting on video games, but spending time together.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Sure, and I you know something I.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: Really you know, I haven't really talked about with our
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: with a lot of our guys I work with or
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: with their kids a lot, but you know, just really
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: engaging with your kids, just spending time with them. And
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: sometimes we're so busy we forget like, oh, yeah, you know,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: there's all the to do's, but let's go do something together.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Let's get you know. I mean we've got I've got
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: two kids that are working. I got another kid that's
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: doing you know, doing sports or whatever. It's hard to
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: get us all together at the same time to go
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: do something and just you know, go do something, and
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: and and even if it is the movies and you're
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: sitting in front of the screen too, but just get
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: out and do something with your kids. And I think
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: it's really important to do that, get out of the house.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: And and again, if you have all those resources, going
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: to the movies.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Is not cheap these days. But you know, we're getting there.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, we'll get into March here soon and
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: a little easier to get outside.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Shame on me.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I forgot about the the movies. That's that's a great
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: way to you know, and make it a double feature too,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: go see two movies.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: It's just cold outside.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: And you know, which makes me think, here, it's a
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: five dollars movie day every Monday over the Paramount, So
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I mean it's perfect go see a movie tonight for
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: five bucks at the Paramount Theater after theaters dot com
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: for all the showings. But yeah, I mean that's a
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: great point. You know, I want to ask you about
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: you we're talking. First of all, we're talking with Josh Miller.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: He is the founder of Vermont Fatherhood right here in Barry,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: vermontfatherhood dot org, talking a little bit about setting up
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: some parameters and making sure that our kids are not
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: diving too deep into screen time in general, especially on
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: their devices. But do you get a lot of dads
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: on Tuesday nights when you when you meet with them,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: who ask you about some tips on maybe navigating your
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: kids safety, what they're hearing, what they're seeing on their
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: tablets and devices, Because some of us, I might be
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: one of them, are a little out of touch with
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the algorithms of what our kids are seeing and hearing
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and what they're swiping on they're just constant swipes, swipe
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: swipes going through reels or I mean, we've got mom
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: is more dialed into this than I am. She's got
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of parameters set up. But still, though kids
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: have a way, especially when they get into their.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Teens of.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Cutting cutting some corners and doing things that mom and
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: dad are frankly out of touch with.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's boy, that is a tricky one. It
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: has come up. And actually in our conversations a lot
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: of people have younger kids, so some of the things
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: around cell phones aren't is.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Like prevalent for them.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: But yeah, we you know, like actually working with a
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: dad that I just I mean, just this last week,
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: I said, he wants to do some work with.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Safety around technology with kids.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: And I said, listen, man, I said, you know, I said,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: I've been helping this guy out and meeting with him
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: a bit, and I said, listen, not an altruistic guy.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: I always got something up my sleeve. And I said, listen,
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: I want you to come meet with our guys. You know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: I want you to come at some point when the
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: time's right, come talk to about about safety and technology.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: And all the different ages of our kids.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: You know, whether they're five years old, you know, you
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: get on, get on five years old, you get online.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: You know, it becomes a whole different thing as opposed
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: to just a game that you you put in the
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Xbox and you can play at but you're not online.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: But once you go online, you just you know.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: You're subject to some some different risks there and to
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: to you know, chats.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: That are out there to you know, if you know.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Your kids have cell phones and and all the access
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: to that that that does, and even just being exposed.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: Other kids have phones that maybe your kid doesn't. Yeah,
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: and let me show you something exactly, you know, and
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: so things that we won't want our kids to see
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: and or that we don't really know that they're seeing
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: and how that's affecting them. And that's a whole other
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: world when they're at school and as we get into elementary,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: late elementary to middle school, you know, you're at that
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: stage too, and and so like you're like, okay, what's
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: out there?
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: And and and and.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Then you know all that I was thinking about, you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: when we're talking about video games of like what.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: We allow our kids to play?
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: What what are you know, what are appropriate games for
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: different ages and all that too. It's a big conversation
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: and trying to figure that stuff out. And you know,
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: we do have to be you know, easy term dialed in.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: We do have to you know, pay attention and like
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: checking on that, checking on hey, if your kid's got
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: a cell phone, Like, hey, I can check your phone
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: at any point.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Let's go see what you're doing.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Let's check out the history, let's check out you know what,
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: what's if you're on TikTok, Like what is that stuff
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: that you're seeing? And yeah, it's some dangerous stuff out there.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: And even if it doesn't necessarily mean that there's you
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: get connected to somebody out there who's got some bad intentions,
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: just you know.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: What are they seeing?
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: What are they you know all what they're exposed to
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: and and you know, talk about no's and setting limits,
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: that's one that I would say I need to get
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: better at too. And and we got two boys with
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: cell phones and and uh and so there, you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of trust there, but there's
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: also a lot of you know, they're off doing their
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: thing and you know, with not a lot of limits.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: They're just is they have the Internet at their you.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Know shure and you have two boys that are teenagers.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Ye seen, Yeah, so you know there's there's a lot
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: happening here. And I'm sure you're you're getting dad's with
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: kids of all ages that and you've kind of navigated
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: a full a full spectrum here, which is crazy.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: You know, We've got one comment here from from a
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: parent saying, you know, it's important to play with your kids,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: to sit and have some quiet time, read a book
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: to them or have them read to you, which is
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: something that we do regularly at at my house. And
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's really embraced and other times it's not so much.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: And you know, at what point do we say this
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: is this is a hill I'm willing to die on here.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: You know, But it's important if if your.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Kids are young enough where their their their minds are creative,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: they want to interact and engage and play, either with
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: toys or something. Man as a as a mom or dad,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: you've got to you need to put your stuff aside
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: and get down on the floor and and play. Yeah,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and even if it seems way unnatural for you, you've
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: got to do it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: It's that's like critical stuff.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll say a couple of things.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: First thing, I'm gonna tell you this, if your dad
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: out there and you're not sure how to play, come
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: see me because I am very good at playing, especially
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: with little ones. I was something that I think that
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: was my best skill set as a as a dad
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: with young kids was just playing and playing and doing
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: all the stuff and being silly and all that. And
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: it is the it is. Guess what, it's free. It's
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: at your disposal at any point. Let's get down on
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: the hands and knees and play. You know, we can
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: play cars, we can play you know, we can play
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: you know, the playhouse.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: We can color, we can draw.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: So many things that we can do out there that
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: are you know, really no cost. And you can do
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: it at the drop of a hat. And get out
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: there and play with our kids. The most important thing
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: when our kids are young, they are learning so much
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: when we're doing and they're doing that, and and it's
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: it is important for your relationship with your kids to play,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: and not just when they're little, but as they get
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: older and just to spend time with them. And and
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: you know, it's the best counter to the to the
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: video games, to the to the screens. It's like, hey,
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: let's go play. If I my son will be on
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: he'll be playing mad and on the you know. And
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: I was like, hey, you want to go and play football? Yep,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: boom like and and and we'll get out and we'll
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: throw the football around.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, get the other brothers out there hopefully.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: And play some football and and but they're just it's
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: so important to be doing that with our kids. That is,
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's it has you know, long lasting just
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: you know, that relationship is so important. Sure, and that
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: way when you know, I'm going to tie these together here,
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: that way when the note comes up, they trust you.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: They believe, like my, my dad has my best interest
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: in me and you know, for me, and and uh
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: and so yep, he said, but he said, yes, three
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: times today we played this, we played that.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: But then you know, he said, no, we're not going
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: to do that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: And you know, and and I think those things matter
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: as well. So that ties into that. But playing with
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: our kids and reading to them, I can't tell you,
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: you know how much I've you know, heard how much
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: a lot of kids who just I think COVID affected
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: that too, just of like how much you know, reading
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: to your kids is so important, having a routine that
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: you just you know, every night, reading something, so it
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: could be a short book, could be a you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: even a picture book and talking to talking about what
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: the pictures are. But and then having our kids read too,
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: like it just has so much benefit for our kids.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: And and if you don't have books, you need books,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: come talk to me. I'll get you some books. Sure,
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: gat you some fune books. I got some great books
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: that I that I think a classics and some fun
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: ones that are just And it's such a man, what
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: a great connector it is.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: You're sending. You're literally sending a constant message to your
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: kid that you you not only love them, but you
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: care about them and that they are your priority. I
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: make sure that when Lily and I are two in
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: this that my cell phone is not even in the
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: same room. I don't even want her to see it.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I don't want to glance at it. I don't want
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: to be distracted by it. That it's got to be
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent focus.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I just think about kids learning, you know,
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: they when they've been read to and they're you know,
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: when they were a baby, when they were a toddler
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: to being a preschooler and they're being read to, and
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: their comfort level with books and letters and shapes and
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: you know, you can talk about the colors of things,
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: you can talk about the shapes of things, and and
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: the numbers and letters and how that will just help
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: them have such a better chance of succeeding in school.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: And you know it's it starts early, you know, starts
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: starts right away of the kids forming.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I you know, I was, you know, I've
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: had talked with the number of dads about this also
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: about you know, when you know they're developing so much
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: language and the way we're doing things and the way
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: we have so much power to be creative when we're
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: reading and they're funny and be silly and be like,
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: you know, be a.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Big monster, be a little thing mouse. You know, like
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: you can do all these.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: Things that really get kids thinking and being creative.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I mean that's when they're like, you know, they are
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: you know, like.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Sponge sponges taking in all that stuff, and we get
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: to be the ones to help them, you know, grow
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: in that way.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Like that's the power.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: Of fatherhood is I'm just going to say specifically fathers
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: in this case. It's just how much we can be
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: We can be so animated and we have, you know,
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: have so much fun with our kids when we're reading
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: to them. And if you don't know how to read,
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: you can get a story. You can you don't have
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: to read the words. You can make up your own
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: that's even better almost to come up with your own story.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: And and that's a lot of fun. And so and
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: if you don't have a book, guess what you can
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: tell a story.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh gosh, you know so much fun told so
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: many stories, scary stories.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no those an't great. That's that's a fun
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: thing to do. And kids there, kids eat that up.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: And you know it's like you say, hey, listen, if
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: we go up, yeah, we go up timnutes early.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Get off the screen and go up timidutes early and
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: we'll do a little We're gonna do it. We're gonna
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: do a story. I'll tell you a story. And what's
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: really fun.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: As the kids get a little bit older, you can
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: have you can you can share the story. So I'll say,
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: you know, and then I was walking along the beach
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: and I found a Yeah, and your kiddo gets to
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: jump in and share that story. And so again their
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: mind is working and being creative. But it's that connection
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: with your kid, that that building that with them and
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: just you know, snuggling up and reading a book and
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: a little routine before bedtime gets them to calm down.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: Like there's so many great benefits.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: To that Josh Miller is my guest. This is Vermont
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Fatherhood Fromontfatherhood dot org. Your your youngest is.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: How old he is ten on the verge of eleven.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Ten years old? And your oldest is thirty four? All right,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: So isn't that a fantastic vast spread of wisdom and
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: experience and knowledge that you bring to Vermont Fatherhood. I mean,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: you're we're talking about all different ages here. You've got that, man,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: that's that's that's really something else, that's really amazing. We've
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: got a comment here about setting timers for screen time.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: We've also got a comment here saying, I've got two
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: teenage girls. At this point, I've accepted that I'll have
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: to reconnect with them when they're twenty. Uh you know, yeah, yeah,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: there's listen, there's a couple of years that are coming
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: up here that everybody's telling me. I think you've told
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: me too. I mean, Lily's eleven. But just to buckle up,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: get ready, thick in your skin a little bit.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: I would say that that that's one angle. I would say, also,
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: just be present, you know, be tuned in. You know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: there's this there's this little thing that happens a little
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: bit of push.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Pull, even when they don't want.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: You to be tuned given they don't want to and
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: and just you know, there's like not you know, like
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: you know, kids are kind of pushing us away, they're
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: being defiant, and they also want us to be there,
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: and I just I think it's important to be to
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: be there and be present, and we just get we
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: can get really distracted by our own busyness of life
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: and our own feelings that are going on, and our
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: own relationships and sometimes you know, our you know, our
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: kids are off in their world playing video games, they're
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: doing things.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: But I think you know, yeah, yeah, give.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: These these the early teenage years, like just kind of
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: trying to be tuned in there.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: And again it's it's the.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Relationship of doing stuff with your kids and and spending
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: that time and and you know, creating I think we
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: talked about this a while ago, of just making sure
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: sure that that that sort of window or doorway of
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: conversation is still there, that you're talking about stuff and
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: you're saying, hey, how you doing.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Today, how is your day, how's it going? Oh, and
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: not necessarily.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Like you know, like whatever comes up, you know that
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: we just boom, we make a decision about it. How
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: do we ask questions? How do we be curious about
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: our kids? You know, what's going on with them?
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: And who you hanging out? Saho? Good question is you know, so,
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: how was your day? Fine? Right? Hey, who'd you sit
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: next to at lunch? Oh?
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: What'd you do in recess today? You know what was it?
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: You know what was you know what was it? You
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: know my kids pe? So you know what'd you do
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: in PE class today? Like you know, oh you were
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: in music today? Like just asking being curious about that,
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: and you know I'm saying this to you, and I'm
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: like saying, oh, yes, you can do that more often.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: And I do ask my kids how they're doing, how
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: is their day? But I think we need to be
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: tuned into what's going on and not let them throw
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: their backpack on the on the thing and they go
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: up to their room for the next three hours.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Like we need to engage.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: And wow, well said, And also maybe not take it
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: so personally if you say I was your day and
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: you get an eye roll.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: In response.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: While we were all that age once for sure, the
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: other thing is that to me if an eye roll
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: is like, oh, hey, what happened? Like that's almost to me,
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: it's an invitation. Oh aen eye roll, Like you're not
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: just saying fine and then walking away. You were literally
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: giving me a piece of information that says I should
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: know more about how your day was, you know, and
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: so and there is attitude. There is that, you know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, there is that that like, oh, I'm gonna,
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: you know, do this because some stuff is just uncomfortable
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: to talk about with anybody, let alone your dad.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, give me a break if you have two
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: two teenage daughters and go.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: But again having that, you know, I'm gonna rewind and say,
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: you know, early on having those conversations, continue to those
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: conversations so that way when the eye roll comes, I
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: gotta tell you about my day, dad, I gotta tell
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: you it sucked and this is what happened, as opposed
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: to you're like, oh fine, give me attitude. Yeah, go
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: to your room and then nothing happens there. Well, something
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: is happening, but you.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Know, the opportunity might be lost at that point.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: And I've we've kind of learned both of us kind
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: of the hard way that.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Sometimes and I have the habit of.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: As soon as I see Lily, how is your day
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: right off or in the evening, how is your day?
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: How is your day?
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: But if I discipline myself to kind of almost strategically
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: wait until the very very end of her day when
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I'm tucking her in at night, that it's not just
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: a quick tuck in, kiss, lights out, good night, love
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: you see you tomorrow, but rather maybe planning out you know,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: twenty minutes, fifteen minutes, half an hour, whatever to say,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: how was your day?
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah? What was your day?
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: Like? Yeah, and asking specific questions is helpful.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And if it was a crappy day, finding some
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: sliver in there of what was good about it? Was
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: there anything that was was good about your day? And
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: then maybe try to capitalize on that a little bit.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's that's great.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: And I will say, you know, definitely bed time as
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: a time when sometimes kids kind of have let down
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: their guard and they can share stuff. Yeah, dinner time
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: is a great time to just get a pulse. And
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: you know, we have three kids at the house, so like,
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: you know, we do a little rose button thorn of
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: just you know, checking in about what was you know,
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: what was good?
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: What are you looking forward to?
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: And what's dunk you know, and so that's a way
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: to just kind of have a little inside and what
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: might be going on, like oh, you know, I don't
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: have a brose, I have two thorns actually, you know,
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: like that's the kind of thing where you know, you
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: can be like, oh, maybe there's more of a conversation
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: here and and so, but I think you're right, like
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: whatever the time is, whether when they walk in the door,
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: if you're home at that time, whether you're at dinner time,
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: whether it's like okay, after dinner time, hey let me
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: help me clean up, it's the time you're just you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: maybe that's the time to do that, or you know,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: finding those opportunities, but making sure that you have a
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: check in each day. And then when when when things
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: are really cool, your kid says that was your day,
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: you're like, yes, let me tell you.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: And Lilya's done that too, And sometimes I have to
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: really think how I'm going to answer.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: You know. The other thing and and.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I could talk to you all day, but we'll wrap
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: up here. The other thing that is is big for
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: it was a big moment for me is when I
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: learned kind of figured out that sometimes they just want
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: to tell you maybe how their day was or whatever,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: and you need to frankly zip it and you don't
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: even have to nod your head as to say, oh yeah, yeah,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, understand, understand, been there, done that yet.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: And I've got a story for you, you know when
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I was your age, papa. Sometimes they just don't want that.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: They just want to purge a little bit and tell
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: you about something and not ask for your advice or
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: your suggestions or your story of relatability or whatever. They
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: just want to be heard. And it's so hard. But
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's like, as a dad, you need to just
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: listen and wrap up with.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that sucks or that sucked.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well you're going high level.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't have any advice for you.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll have to.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Think about this if you want me too. But that's
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: just Plaine sucks.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think just just being there to listen, it's
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: a hard scale.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: I'll be telling you just sitting there to listen.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Especially dad, you're supposed to fix everything.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's a hero. Absolutely, you're gonna fix, You're
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: gonna save. You got the answers, you've got a great
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: story to tell. You're gonna pull away the thunder their
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: thunder and tell an even bigger story. We're really guilty
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: of that. And and uh, and I think that that's
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: really important to just to be able to listen and
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: even to ask questions like oh, tell me more about that,
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: or or what did you mean by that? And and
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: and I think to just listen without our mind wandering
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: into our own stories or to you know, yeh fix
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: it to say well you should or judge it, to
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: say well you should have done this, you know, like.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: The next time, the next time that happens.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's we are We are good at that to.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: A fault, mostly to a fault. And just you know,
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: being there to listen.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: And I will tell you it's not just with our kids,
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: but with even our with our partners, with other people.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: How do we just listen and be present there?
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: And I think again that's a high level skill and
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: something just you know, we need to do practice and
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: do it for you know, to just listen for twenty seconds.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: How that is really hard.
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  Speaker 4: With our partners too, Yes, very much so, probably even
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: more so.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's amazing stuff. Then to to wrap up here,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Tuesday nights, folks can come to you, yep at what
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: time clock five o'clock until seven?
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Coffee come.
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  Speaker 5: I have a coffee pot going coffee in the morning,
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: nine to ten. Generally speaking, I'm there Monday through Friday.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: Monday through Friday. If you're coming to shoot me, you know,
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: you can call me, text me, make sure you know,
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: say I'm coming through. I've had a couple of guys
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: do that and I'm like, yep, I'm here. I'll get
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: the coffee going, you know, And so that's great. And
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: I also have one thing I'm trying to get out
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: there is have a playgroup Monday and Friday from ten
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: thirty to noon with dads with young kids like three
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: years and younger, just to get out and meet, you know,
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: meet other dads and just play and just hang out.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: And like I said, if you need some tips on playing,
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: I'll be there to What.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Days of the week are the Sunday and Friday, Mondays
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: and Fridays? What time ten.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Thirty to twelve on both days?
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and just you know, give a call anytime.
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to love to meet with guys one on one.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: I love to meet at the coffee shop.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Or single dads, married dad, doesn't matter.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: It could be an uncle, could be a grandfather, could
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: be somebody you know, just playing the fatherhood role playing
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: a role playing the role of being being a parent,
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: and and uh, you know, really really trying.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: To yeah, go to the next level. Yeah wow sport.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: From my Fatherhood dot org. Everything is on there. It
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: is fascinating and frankly, very inspiring to to chat with you,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: to be with you in your presence. Man, you're you're
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: a great guy and we have a lot to learn
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: from you, and what you're bringing to our community is
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: massive and I appreciate that.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Second, second Monday of the month, Josh Miller is my
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: guest right here on the Aired Out podcast. Thanks man,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: thank you appreciate it.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Jade.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, We've got a lot to get to this week.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Don't forget about sweethearts and heroes. On Wednesday, it's gonna
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: be a big, big, big show. We're gonna be talking
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: about the great things that they're doing, bullying in schools
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: and so much more. A lot of that this week
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: here on Aired Out, And of course we're gonna finish
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: things off on Friday with a really good laugh. We're
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: gonna be talking about the super Bowl, pretty much all week.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a great week. Stay warm, God bless,
• 52:21
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• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Miller from Aunt Fatherhood this morning on the aired out
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  Speaker 1: And assass