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"MOTHER-IN--LAW-FROM-HELL" SOBS AT TRIAL FOR MURDER HIT PLOT ON LAW PROF SON-IN-LAW · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called killer mother
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  Speaker 1: in law, suspect Premps fixing her hair as she goes
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  Speaker 1: to trial, and a murder case where the state alleges
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  Speaker 1: she masterminded an execution, a paid hit on her own
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  Speaker 1: son in law, the law professor. That's right, a so
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  Speaker 1: called killer mother in law. But for real, I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. A loving father and esteemed law professor
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  Speaker 1: is gunned down at his own home in his own vehicle.
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  Speaker 2: We heard it looked in that Roger Gore was up there,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I
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  Speaker 2: went back to my house. But he never backed out,
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  Speaker 2: and I came back over breathing. I can't tell that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming he's breathing if he's moving his head around.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever hear him talk or anything?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Now that's a great place to launch a trial.
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  Speaker 1: Playing for the jury the nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 1: In most cases, that is the closest thing we have
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  Speaker 1: to what really happened.
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  Speaker 3: So let's start right there. Listen, no one want to
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  Speaker 3: see address of your emergency.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, tell exactly what happened?
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  Speaker 2: We heard it looked in the garage goal was up,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I
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  Speaker 2: went back to my house. But he never backed out.
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  Speaker 2: And I came back over and his wind his driver's
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  Speaker 2: side window is shattered, and he's moving his head around,
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  Speaker 2: but he's not responding. I've called his name, asked what's
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  Speaker 2: going on. And I call his name, asking what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: He's not responding to that, but his head's kind of
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  Speaker 2: rolling around.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, is he conscious?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can't tell.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, is he breathing.
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell that. I'm assuming he's breathing if he's
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  Speaker 2: moving his head around.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever hear him talk or anything?
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  Speaker 2: No, okay, he said. He's sitting in the car right correct,
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  Speaker 2: on the driver's seat.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my stars.
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  Speaker 1: When I hear about the execution style hit on a
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  Speaker 1: loving dad of two little boys, a loving dad devoted
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  Speaker 1: to his children. When I hear that, it just pounds
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  Speaker 1: it in. He was alive. He didn't get shot and
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  Speaker 1: just die instantly. He was still trying to speak, he
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  Speaker 1: was still moving his head around. Professor Dan Markel I
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  Speaker 1: had heard of him as being a renowned law professor,
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  Speaker 1: just crackling with legal intelligence, totally devoted to his family.
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  Speaker 1: There's his wife, Wendy, also a lawyer, one of the
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  Speaker 1: only remaining members of the family that has not been
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  Speaker 1: implicated in his murder.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, hearing that nine one one call and.
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  Speaker 1: Realizing that he's moving his head around trying to speak
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  Speaker 1: to a neighbor is excruciating. I've thought it through myself.
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  Speaker 1: Did the victim die immediately? Did they know what was
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  Speaker 1: happening to them? What were their last moments on earth?
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  Speaker 1: Was he thinking about his children? Will I ever see
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  Speaker 1: them again? Am I going to live or die? Let's
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  Speaker 1: listen to more of that nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to hear it just like the jury.
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  Speaker 4: So you're saying his head.
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  Speaker 2: Is bloody, now, yes, some bloody. I mean it's the
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  Speaker 2: window shattered. I don't know if he's tried to shoot himself.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the situation is as the driver's
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  Speaker 2: side window career. That's correct, we're still moving around. Who's alive?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, looks like I should have an auscar coming.
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  Speaker 2: Up the roadway. Okay, well we need the mpen.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the officer's going to be there, first, they're not
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  Speaker 6: going to come until we figure out what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: But they're on the way as well. Okay, you'd better
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  Speaker 1: be if this guy's got to shut This trial is happening,
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  Speaker 1: and it is hot and heavy in the courtroom. In
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  Speaker 1: the last hours, the jury is hearing more about wire taps.
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  Speaker 3: And let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 1: When the state goes to the effort, they're very, very
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  Speaker 1: difficult to get. I've gotten them. You have to go
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  Speaker 1: through a lot of constitutional hoops to prove to a judge,
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  Speaker 1: and judges don't really like to give you a wire tap.
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  Speaker 1: It's so invasive. A wire tap on your phone. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you can wiretap a cell phone your home. I've even
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  Speaker 1: had cemetery sites and porches bugged, So a wire tap
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  Speaker 1: is very invasive. You got to go through a lot
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  Speaker 1: to get a wire tap. That's what the jury heard
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  Speaker 1: about in the last hours. But I want to take
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  Speaker 1: you to the beginning of this case. How in the
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  Speaker 1: hay did a mild mannered law professor end up dead
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  Speaker 1: execution style and his own garage in his own car.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's pulling in home to see his children
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  Speaker 1: and his wife, and bam, he shot dead.
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  Speaker 7: Listen to this, and Markell comes home to find the
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  Speaker 7: house empty, his wife and two boys gone, and divorce
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  Speaker 7: paper is left on a bed. Dan Markel describes the
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  Speaker 7: day as his pearl harbor without warning, life as he
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  Speaker 7: knew it was gone for six weeks. Dan Markel says
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  Speaker 7: he doesn't know where his children are, much less as
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  Speaker 7: soon to be ex wife. Markel claims Aidolson is getting
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  Speaker 7: held from mother Donna Adelson and brother Charles Adelson, keeping
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  Speaker 7: her location secret. Their divorce order is for them to
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  Speaker 7: share joint custody of the children.
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  Speaker 1: My stars, the whole family is in on keeping the children,
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  Speaker 1: the two little boys away from daddy. Let me tell
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  Speaker 1: you something, Dave Mack joining me along with GG McKelvey.
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  Speaker 1: First of you, Dave matt Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Mack.
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  Speaker 1: There was never an allegation that Professor Markel beat the children,
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  Speaker 1: abused the children, starved the children. In fact, if anything,
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  Speaker 1: he indulged them. He petted them too much. They were
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  Speaker 1: his mini means. He adored them.
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  Speaker 3: So the whole.
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  Speaker 1: Family gets in league with the wife, Wendy Adelson to
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  Speaker 1: hide the children from the dad.
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  Speaker 8: What it's so shocking, Nancy that okay, the marriage is
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  Speaker 8: at that point where Wendy wants out. Now, you've got
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  Speaker 8: to remember that Wendy Adelson's family is all in South Florida,
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  Speaker 8: and that's where she wants to go with her children.
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  Speaker 8: We're talking an eight hour difference between where the where
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  Speaker 8: the Markel's live in the northern part of Florida and
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  Speaker 8: where the Adolson family lives in southern Florida rather and
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  Speaker 8: when Wendy doesn't get that approval to move with that's it.
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  Speaker 8: That's where everything begins. Nancy. They actually, I say they
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  Speaker 8: the Adlson family. You mentioned Dan Markel comes home to
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  Speaker 8: an empty house, right, Well, he had gone to a
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  Speaker 8: convention and he was like the keynote speaker at this
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  Speaker 8: big event. They made sure that he got the message
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  Speaker 8: that Wendy wanted a divorce right before he went on stage.
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  Speaker 8: They played it out perfectly, and there was some crowd
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  Speaker 8: of damaging him like that. It was amazing what they
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  Speaker 8: did to this man.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars, you know, hold on GG when I
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  Speaker 1: got Eric Fattus really quickly, guys. Eric Fattus vetter on
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  Speaker 1: trial lawyer or TV legal analyst, founding partner Varner Fattus
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  Speaker 1: Elite Legal former felony prosecutor. That's important. Now, Defense attorney Eric,
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  Speaker 1: when you are about to go to trial, strike a jury,
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  Speaker 1: give a legal presentation in front of hundreds of lawyers
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  Speaker 1: who are going to be as firing legal questions at you,
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  Speaker 1: you got to be sharp. It's like a Wimbledon tennis match.
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  Speaker 1: You can't miss a thing. I remember thinking in court,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be watching the witness and watching the jury. Watch
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  Speaker 1: the witness, watch the jury as questioning. We take place
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  Speaker 1: like a tennis match, because if you miss one word,
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  Speaker 1: one sentence, legal term, you're screwed.
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  Speaker 3: Anything could go wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And so right before he takes the stage in front
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  Speaker 1: of hundreds of lawyers, that's when he gets hit with
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  Speaker 1: the knees. Your wife wants a divorce, and he comes home,
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  Speaker 1: the house is picked clean and screw the furniture.
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  Speaker 3: The children are gone.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I can't even imagine that, faddest you come home
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  Speaker 1: and your children are gone.
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  Speaker 3: That is what happened to him. Oh go, I mean that.
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  Speaker 9: Is going to shake anybody have, let alone someone who
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  Speaker 9: is preparing for a big professional presentation.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to be on your game.
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  Speaker 9: You've got to be listening. There are details you've got
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  Speaker 9: to take in. You got to make sure you don't
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  Speaker 9: miss anything. This is a high stakes presentation.
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  Speaker 6: For him, and they did this in a calculated.
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  Speaker 9: Fashion, intentionally to shake him up as much as they could.
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  Speaker 9: And really, you know, his life is crashing in upon
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  Speaker 9: him immediately before he's about to give this kind of speech,
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  Speaker 9: I mean, clearly problematic and shows some malice on their part.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell you something, Fattest. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about you, but when I would go into try case,
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  Speaker 1: I would wait until everyone was ready, And I had
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  Speaker 1: a reason for this, the jury. I wouldn't come in
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  Speaker 1: after the jury, that's rude, but I would wait till
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  Speaker 1: the defense was in place. They defendant made it from jail,
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  Speaker 1: round was in place, everybody was seated.
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  Speaker 3: Why then I'd go in because.
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  Speaker 1: I did not want them speaking to me and throwing
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  Speaker 1: off my concentration. Before I went and waited for the
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  Speaker 1: jury coming out, I didn't want to think about anything
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  Speaker 1: at all other than what I was about to do.
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  Speaker 1: Tunnel vision has to be that way, and I can
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  Speaker 1: just imagine him going to take the podium and going, hey,
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  Speaker 1: here's the divorce papers. Anyway, back to what happened to
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  Speaker 1: Gigi McKelvey, investigative journalist, host of podcasts A hit podcast,
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  Speaker 1: Pretty Lies and Alibis. Gigi, I want to get back,
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  Speaker 1: not from the speech that got totally ambushed. I want
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  Speaker 1: to get to the day he was murdered. So he's
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  Speaker 1: coming home and what he drives in does the garage,
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  Speaker 1: and the garage goes up and he goes into the garage.
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  Speaker 1: What happened then, Well.
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  Speaker 10: We know that Dan was on the phone with a
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  Speaker 10: special school that Wendy wanted to enroll their oldest son,
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  Speaker 10: and so he was actively talking to somebody as this happened.
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  Speaker 10: He told the person on the phone, there's someone unfamiliar
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  Speaker 10: to me in my driveway and he needed to see
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  Speaker 10: who that was. The person on the other end heard
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  Speaker 10: maybe a struggle, heard some loud noises and was asking
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  Speaker 10: you okay, and he could hear groans, and so he
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  Speaker 10: tried to call in text and no response. Obviously, So
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  Speaker 10: Gg McKelvey, isn't it true that the killer apparently followed
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  Speaker 10: markel into or right behind him, basically trapping him in
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  Speaker 10: the garage. That's correct, pulled up to where he would
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  Speaker 10: not have been able to back out or move in
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  Speaker 10: any way or get out of his car without being
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  Speaker 10: face to face with somebody who was going to kill him.
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  Speaker 1: Ron Bitman joining me, former sheriff and Arundel County, Maryland,
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  Speaker 1: former homicide undercover, a narcotics detective, and author of crime
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  Speaker 1: trilogy Silent Blue Tears. Ron, this is a hit. There's
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  Speaker 1: no two ways about it. There's no sex attack, nothing
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  Speaker 1: is stolen, there's not a carjack nothing. They come up,
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  Speaker 1: bam right in the head and leave.
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  Speaker 3: That's a hit.
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  Speaker 6: That's an execution, premature, with malice, the forethought. Absolutely first
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  Speaker 6: degree murder one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: Now another thing, Dave Mack joining me, Crime Stories, investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it true that.
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  Speaker 1: Just before he was murdered, Professor Markel was on the
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  Speaker 1: phone with the wife again basically the only person left
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  Speaker 1: standing that hasn't been formally accused of murder. They have
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  Speaker 1: been talking that whole morning, and Markel had left her
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  Speaker 1: a voicemail about wanting to talk about the boys, and
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  Speaker 1: she texted him his plans won't work. Then they argued
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  Speaker 1: about when Wendy could get the children. She was saying
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  Speaker 1: he could keep them a little bit longer, and then
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  Speaker 1: he's dead. Isn't that the scenario they're arguing about the children.
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  Speaker 8: That morning, it was a constant discussion between Dan Markel
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  Speaker 8: and Wendy about the children and about when Dan would
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  Speaker 8: have time with them, when he would see them, where
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  Speaker 8: he would see them was a big part of this.
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  Speaker 8: Geography really plays into this entire case. But yes, Nancy,
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  Speaker 8: she kept him on the phone and distracted all morning.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, guys again, Wendy Adelson.
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  Speaker 3: Has not been charged and has not.
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  Speaker 1: Been named as a person of interest in her ex
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  Speaker 1: husband's murder. She is a lawyer, a very good lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: She has not been named a POI or suspect. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what more do we know?
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  Speaker 3: Listen?
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  Speaker 7: After the court prevents Wendy Aedelson from moving to South
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  Speaker 7: Florida with the children, Adelson's mother, Donna, suggests the family
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  Speaker 7: offer Markel one million dollars to allow the children to
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  Speaker 7: relocate to South Florida. Donna and husband Harvey will contribute
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  Speaker 7: a third. Charlie Aedelson, Wendy's brother, will contribute a third.
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  Speaker 7: Wendy will pay a third. Donna Adelson also suggests telling
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  Speaker 7: Markel that Wendy Aedelson is going to have the boys
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  Speaker 7: converted to Catholicism. Knowing Markell and his family are strict
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  Speaker 7: to Jewish faith, Donna Adelson believes the mere thought of
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  Speaker 7: his children being raised Catholic would convince him to let
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  Speaker 7: the boys move to Miami.
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  Speaker 1: Man talk about down and dirty to doctor Sherry Schwartz
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  Speaker 1: joining us out of this jurisdiction, I might add forensic
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  Speaker 1: psychologists specializing in capital mitigation and victim advocacy. She has
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  Speaker 1: written multiple books, the one Unlike the Best Criminal Behavior
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  Speaker 1: and the other one where law and psychology intersect. Sherry,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Docter Sherry number one.
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  Speaker 1: They try to bribe Markell, the mother he's on trial
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  Speaker 1: right now for having her son executed. The mother in
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  Speaker 1: law literally from the gates of Hell.
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  Speaker 3: Of course. Oh yeah, don't.
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  Speaker 1: Be fooled by that, right there. We'll just wait till
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  Speaker 1: you hear what we found on those wiretaps. She's presumed
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  Speaker 1: innocent until proven guilty. Doctor Sherry number one trying to
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  Speaker 1: bribe Markel, offering him a million dollars a cool meal
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  Speaker 1: if he would let the boys relocate from Tallahassee hours
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  Speaker 1: away to Miami. He's like, hell, no, I want to
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  Speaker 1: be with my children.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even want this divorce.
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  Speaker 1: Then after the bribe didn't work, she allegedly decides to
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  Speaker 1: torture him by telling him he is a about and strict.
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  Speaker 11: Jew.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to tell him that they are having the
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  Speaker 1: boys baptized and converted to Catholicism.
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  Speaker 3: Don't you know? He did a backflip.
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  Speaker 4: Generally speaking, when you're talking about this level of cruelty
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  Speaker 4: where it's very similar to characteristics that we see in
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  Speaker 4: narcissistic parents, it's all about power, manipulation and control, and
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  Speaker 4: when the person, the target in this case, mister Marcall,
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  Speaker 4: doesn't go along with what the narcissist wants, there's a
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  Speaker 4: state of narcissistic rage where they will engage in acts
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  Speaker 4: of extreme cruelty, such as not just bribery, but threatening
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  Speaker 4: that they're going to convert the children to a different religion.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns is joining me. Chief Medical Examiner Terran County,
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  Speaker 1: that's Fort Worth. He is the esteemed lecturer at the
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  Speaker 1: Burnett School of Medicine, that is at TCU, and he
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  Speaker 1: is a star of a brand new hit.
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  Speaker 3: Podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I want you to hear the trajectory
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  Speaker 1: path of the bullet.
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  Speaker 3: That tore through Dan Markell's face.
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  Speaker 7: Listen, the Florida criminal law professor was pulling into his
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  Speaker 7: driveway and on his cell phone when he was fatally shot.
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  Speaker 7: The killer was waiting for Markel outside his home in
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  Speaker 7: Tallahassee's Been Hills Section, then followed Markel into the garage.
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  Speaker 7: When he opened it, Markell was shot in the side
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  Speaker 7: of the head through the window of his car. The
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  Speaker 7: bullet entered just beneath Markell's jawline.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall crowns, I'm having my hot tea, but I
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  Speaker 1: think I need something a little stronger than that. Did
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  Speaker 1: you hear what was just said?
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  Speaker 3: That the bullet entered just beneath.
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  Speaker 1: Markel's jaw line. Now let's think this through. So he's
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  Speaker 1: driving on the left side of his vehicle, so it
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  Speaker 1: would have been the left jawline just below it and
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  Speaker 1: rips through his face and neck.
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  Speaker 3: And he lived. He lived.
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  Speaker 1: He was trying to talk say something to the neighbor,
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  Speaker 1: and his head was moving around.
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  Speaker 3: What happened?
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  Speaker 1: And how long could he have endured that before he died?
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  Speaker 12: So the gunshown wound of entrance going under his left
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  Speaker 12: jawline would be you'd have in this area of your
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  Speaker 12: neck the crowded artery, the jugular vein, but if it's
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  Speaker 12: a little interior it may miss those, then continue through
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  Speaker 12: into the mid section of his neck, which would hit
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  Speaker 12: his trachea, his thyroid, and then continue out the right
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  Speaker 12: side of his neck again possibly hitting the jugular and crowded.
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  Speaker 12: If those two vessels are hit, he's going to survive
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  Speaker 12: for minutes. If those two vessels are not hit, he's
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  Speaker 12: going to sit there inhaling blood through his damage trachea,
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  Speaker 12: unable to speak because the area could involve his vocal cords,
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  Speaker 12: and then sucking in blood and he could survive for
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  Speaker 12: quite a while with that end. Uh, But if it
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  Speaker 12: hits the major vessels, he's going to go Wait.
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  Speaker 1: A minute, what did you say about sucking in blood?
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  Speaker 12: So if he had, if it hits the trachea area,
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  Speaker 12: it'll it'll cause blood to go into the airway or
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  Speaker 12: mainsteam broncos and you'll be sucking in that blood, kind
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  Speaker 12: of gasping in the blood. Not able to talk, but
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  Speaker 12: just making a noise because your vocal cords are damage,
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  Speaker 12: but you're sucking in the blood.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. Do you know what you're saying?
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  Speaker 3: Do you ever think about it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, when I think about Markel, I immediately think
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  Speaker 1: about as two boys, because one day, whenever they can
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  Speaker 1: mentally and emotionally take it, they're going to find out
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  Speaker 1: the details about how their dad died, and they're going
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  Speaker 1: to have to find out that their dad was sitting
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: in his car, had been arguing about how much he
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: wanted to see them and be in their lives and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: be the primary caregiver, and then he ends up with
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: this horrendous injury, pain beyond excruciating to the neck and
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the face, the head, and he's sucking in his own blood.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, do you ever.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Think about what you're saying or is this like just
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: a clinical analysis for you?
• 20:24
  Speaker 12: Well, of course I think about what I'm saying, But
• 20:27
  Speaker 12: the emotionality of thinking about the individual's life outside of him,
• 20:33
  Speaker 12: of the injuries that I see at autopsy, I try
• 20:37
  Speaker 12: not to think about because if I get wrapped up
• 20:39
  Speaker 12: in the emotion of all of it, I wouldn't be
• 20:40
  Speaker 12: able to do my job. So in a way, yes,
• 20:42
  Speaker 12: it's very clinical to me. You ask me a question,
• 20:45
  Speaker 12: I will give you a clinical answer describing what's injured,
• 20:49
  Speaker 12: not thinking about him, his family, the pain and suffering, etc.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Doctor Kendall Crown's question, You
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: have children, right? A lot of them do? Yes, Doctor
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's isn't it your dearest wish? I mean it's mine?
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm true projecting, but your dearest wish is to
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: be there for your children's lives, not only for you
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: to see them unfold, but to be there to help
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: them in any little way you can, small or great.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: And just imagine, with those hopes.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And dreams in your mind and in your heart, you
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: are sitting in your front seat of your car, sucking
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: in blood, wondering will you ever see them again? The
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: answer is no. I mean did he have time to
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: have those thoughts?
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Could he have?
• 21:52
  Speaker 12: Depending on if it's just the gunshot wind of the neck,
• 21:55
  Speaker 12: he could have had time to think about what's happening,
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: trying to yell for help. Can't yell for help and
• 22:00
  Speaker 12: it's just inhaling in the blood. But it just depends
• 22:04
  Speaker 12: on what the areas get hit. But yes, he could
• 22:06
  Speaker 12: be consciously thinking about what's going on at that present time.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Why is law Professor Dan Markel dead. Why was he murdered?
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: He's not responding to that, but his head's kind of
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: rolling around. Okay, is he conscious? Well, I can't tell.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: He heard the snoring respirations. He's not talking, he's mumbling.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: He has no idea what happened. And he's bleeding out
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: and he's going into death as his blood jeeps out
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: of his body.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: You know, I've asked us a million times, fattest, I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: know you're dying in the world defense attorney, But does
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: it ever strike you? Why is it always the good,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the pure of the innocent, the decent people to get slaughtered,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and then the dope dealers and the child molesters and
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the drug lords, the bad guys, they just have a
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: field day. They somehow survive like roaches. But a loving dad,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: brilliant lawyer, which to me, as a side issue, the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: fact that he's such a loving dad is what matters
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Why do they have to die?
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: You know, it's an incalculable loss. We're talking about the
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: trial of Donna Aedelson.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: You know what fatis. You're absolutely right. This is the
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: trial of the monster in law, the suspect who ordered
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the hit. According to prosecutors to murder her son in
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: law because he would not let his children move eight
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: hours away to live by her. Wow, I wonder why
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: after trying to bribe him for a million dollars for
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Thretten to indoctrinate the boys in another religion, a plot unfold.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten to.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: All the wire. Chaps. You know what. You're gonna totally
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: wig when you hear this.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: But let's take a step by step because it can
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: get complicated.
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: Listen, Charlie Aedelson, brother of Wendy Edelson, uses his girlfriend
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: Katherine mcmanawah to arrange a murder for hire, using the
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: father of her two children, Sigredo Garcia, and his friend
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: Louis Rivera, to kill Dan Mark. The end result that
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: Wendy Aedelson can move her two children too South Florida
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: near her family. Exactly what happened when Dan Markel was killed?
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: What happened when you got to the driveway of dan Mark.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Hill right behind him, and of course he jumped out
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: and shot him.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: How many times did Garcia shoot Mark? Mister Moyle cold blood?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Cold blood GG McKelvey joining US investigative journalists star a
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: pretty lies and Alibis podcast. Gigi's been on the case
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: from the very very beginning.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Gg cold, what I mean?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: He just rattled off, how many times you shoot twice?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: He doesn't care about the children, He doesn't care about
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Mark Hill's family, devastated family twice. Okay, forget about that.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Let me talk to you about the plot. Let me
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: understand Wendy Adelson, the mother of the children, the one
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: that got the divorce, the lawyer her, Wendy Adelson's brother,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Charlie Aidelson. And let me just tell everybody, this is
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: great for the shrink to figure out on his car
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: tag he paid for a vanity tag that said, Maestro
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: really Okay, isn't he basically a dentist?
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: That said, he decides to intervene, and he gets his girlfriend,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Katherine Magwana.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: To arrange a hit. And the hit men are the.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Father of her children, Sigfredo Garcia and his friend Louis Rivera. Okay,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: there is Catherine Magbanua and the father of her children,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Sigfreda Garcia and his buddy Luis Rivera.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, tell me how that whole.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Thing went down, Gigi, And isn't it quite the coincidence?
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Isn't it odd that everybody around Wendy Adelson is dropping
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: like flies? Now her mother is on trial, but she
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: is unscathed. Neither person of interest or assessment tell me
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: how this whole thing went down with the girlfriend. With
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Charlie Adelson's girlfriend. Man, she must have been a piece
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of work, because when I think of hitman, I don't think, hey,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I'll ask my husband to get some of his low
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: life friends to pull off a hit. You know, they're
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: not all as in priests and virgins, gg, birds of
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a feather, you know the rest. So he thinks his
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: girlfriend can arrange a murder and guess what she does?
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean that's essentially what happened. And it was
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: pretty soon after they started seeing each other at Halloween
• 26:48
  Speaker 10: party where they're getting in their car to leave, and
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: he just asked her, Hey, do you know anybody that
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: would hurt somebody? And she said yes and left it there.
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: And it wasn't until later on when and the relocation
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: was a big issue with Donna, And we're going to
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: hear that on these wiretap calls as this trial progresses.
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: It was getting fever pitch. I don't think Charlie cared
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: where Wendy and the boys lived. He's a playboy making
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: millions of dollars every year, but it was important to Donna.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: And as time went on and.
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: Donna got more frantic and more obsessed with the location issue,
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: he finally went to her and said, we need to
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: get this done. That is when she went to her
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: baby daddy, Sigfredo Garcia, and proposed, would you like to
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: make some money to take care of somebody?
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: And he said yes.
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: After that he got his childhood friend Luis Rivera, who
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: was the leader of the Miami sector of the Latin Kings,
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: to come along as a ride along essentially, and that's
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: where the plot started.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: So Charlie Adelson aka the Maestro, who was Wendy Alson.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Ah there he is.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: What a fine figure of a man, vanity plate maestro?
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Okay whatever, So how is he making so much money?
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Hand over fishgg how much money are we talking about?
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: What did he do for a living.
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: He's a periodontist, so that's a dental surgeon. Harvey the
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: father was only a dentist and owned the Adolson Institute,
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: which is their family dental practice. But Charlie would also
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: travel around South Florida and do day work at these
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: other dental offices, and he got paid a lot of money. Also,
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: the family preferred cash payments as opposed to credit card payments.
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: Charlie was notorious for having a safe with stacks of
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: one hundred bills in there. But Charlie, yeah, he was
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: driving around supercars. He had a boat throwing money out
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: left and right, and he.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Happened to me a supercar. The last thing I want
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: is a man pulling up and an expensive car. I
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: mean a guy pulls up in a Lamborghini, I'm like,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: bye bye.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: You know what that means to me?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: That means he's having a midlife crisis, or he feels
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: like he's got to have a really expensive car to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: impress people, because obviously his personality and intellect don't cut it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: So not interested. My husband drives a beat up SUV
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: meet up, totally meat up, and he doesn't care.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: That's what I like about him. So this guy, what
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: kind of car is a supercar? Charlie Adelson, I believe
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: he had a Lamborghini.
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: If I recall correct it, it must have been why
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: I said Lamborghini.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, I could just see him driving up and down
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the strip in Miami and his Lamborghini and Maestro on
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: his vanity to So.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Who's doctor Bubner?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Bob ne r Who, Dave mac Who's doctor Bubner? I
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: notice you, Dave matt keep talking about doctor Bubner, and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering why you just love to say Bubner?
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Who is that?
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: Doctor Bubner is a Miami doctor who is a breast
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: augmentation specialist, and he refers to himself first as doctor Bubner,
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: and then of course his patients are so happy with
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: the results that they in turn call him doctor Bubner.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: And uh, okay, great, what does he have to do
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: with this case?
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: He's like the missing link in the Dan Markel murder mystery,
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: if you want to call it. That the prosecutors that
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: were investigating the case, they actually were able to tie
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: in doctor Bubner between Katherine Macbanawa and Charlie Adelson, and
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: that he did Katherine Macbanawa's breast augmentation surgery as art
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: of the payment she got from Charlie Adelson for helping.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Star's wait stop stop stop stop stop place place speak
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: no more.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Are you hearing this, Fattus?
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I assume, Fatus, you've seen the series of moodies called
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the Apple Dumpling gang. Okay it Scott don Nott's and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: others in it. Yeah, you need to see that. I
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: showed it to the children. But I think the title
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: says it all. So the go between Katherine mcbatoir, who
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: set up the hit for Charlie Adelson for his mother
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: or the monster in law got paid with a breast
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: lift implants I'm so happy right now because that's not
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: hard to trace.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Right, he paid her with knee breasts A and me.
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: Right right, Nancy. But the key there is Charlie paid her.
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: Charlie paid her, not Donna. It's not Donna fronting the
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: bill for these new rest at least that hasn't been
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: proven in courtA.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: And so what we're talking.
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: About is is certainly this uh you know, court of
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: folks who are.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Conspiring with one another.
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: And then we have Donna Adelson, who, according to the fence,
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: is just kind of a protective grandma.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Protective mother tried the million dollar bribe.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Did you not hear you need to turn up your
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: hearing aids. Did you not hear? Jj McKelvey just say,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Charlie Adelson didn't give a flying fig where those boys lived.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: He only did it because his mother drove him insane
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to do it. He doesn't care. He didn't have a
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: dog in that fight and no skin in the game.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: He did it because his mother would not leave him alone.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: He didn't care about the boys.
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: But but to say that that cause this murder for
• 32:46
  Speaker 9: higher plot is a logical leap that I'm not sure
• 32:49
  Speaker 9: the evidence has supported yet, And so, uh, you know,
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: I just think that's a bit of a stretch. The prosecutor,
• 32:55
  Speaker 9: they've already got there pound of flesh with the four
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: other convictions, and in defense is saying, Okay, wait a minute.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: You're talking about the conviction of the brother, the playboy,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Lamborghini Brother aka Maestro, the girlfriend with the breastlift, Katherine
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: may Banoi, the hit man, and his gang cohort. Those
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: four have been convicted. None of them.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Care about where the boys live.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: The only one that cares is Donna aight old son
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: who's on trial right now. Katherine mcbanoi testifies under oath
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: about how Charlie Adelson couldn't take a link without Mommy
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: saying okay, you can go. So this was like a
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: regular part of the way this worked. Whenever this conversation
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: came up yes, we consult his mother and come back.
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: And speak to you and Jack.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: Investigators use an undercover agent to make contact with Donna Adelson.
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: The agent hands Donna Adelson a press release of Markel's murder,
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: asks Adelson for five thousand dollars and provides a phone number.
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: Investigators interceptor called Donna Adelson makes to Charlie asking him
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: to meet with her about paperwork hand delivered to her
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: outside her condo. Charlie asks if it involves him, and
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: Donna says probably both of us. Donna says she doesn't
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: want to discuss this on the phone. Investigators continue to
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: intercept calls, this time Charlie tells mom not to talk
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: about things in the apartment. Adelson asks his mother what
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: the letter asked for. Donna says this TV is probably
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: about five. Charlie asks if they ask for five thousand dollars.
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: Donna Adelson responds affirmatively. Adlson calls Katherine mag Banawa and
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: explains someone approached his mother, guarding her son and his
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: ex girlfriend and asking for money. Investigators record Adolson saying
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: to mac Baniwa, my mom doesn't know these guys. He
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: says paying someone off is not an admission of guilt.
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: Conversations continue between Charlie Aedelson, Donna Adelson, Catter Macbanawa, and
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: Sigfredo Garcia, all monitored by investigators.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: You know, Eric Fattus's worst nightmare is a wire tab
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: hey or.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: An undercover agent.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Eric Fattus, did you hear that an undercover agent approaches
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Adolson on the street He's got a press release or
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: an article about Markel's murder and says, hey, you owe
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: me five thousand dollars. I have info on you and
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: your son.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: What does she do? John?
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Call police? She calls her son and goes, don't talk
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: on the phone and makes us some crazy jargon to
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: tell him a bribe of five thousand dollars been put
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to her, and they go, don't When somebody says don't
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: talk on the phone, you know it's something bad, or
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: don't put it in writing.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: You don't want to leave a trail, And that's what
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: she says, Well, hey, what it could be. It sounds
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: a little bit like entrapman.
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: It sounds a little bit like government overreach. It sounds
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: a little bit like Charlie Edelson was involved in some
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: misdeeds and the government's trying to rope in somebody who
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: did not have any direct involvement. Look, the mother may
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: have known that Charlie Adamson did what he did and
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: may have wanted to talk with him about that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: None of that is criminal.
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: And the fact that she says, oh, it involves both
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: of us, well, she's someone who received the document and
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: received the bump, which was this surreptitious encounter. And so hey, look,
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: you know calling your son to talk about it is
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: not crime.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: You know what when you say things like Ron Bateman
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: come out.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: You know, let's school Eric Fattis.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: If it's possible Bateman, former sheriff for anne Arundel County
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: author homicide undercover, you name it Bateman. When I hear
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the words don't talk on the phone or don't.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Talk in the apartment, why not talk in your apartment?
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: If some guy I don't know literally bumps into me
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: on the street and tries to extract five grand from me,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I'm calling police. But neither one of them call police.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: In fact, they don't talk on the phone.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: All that started.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: Let me talk about that for one second. I've been
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: in those positions. I have been the undercover guy. I
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: have been the hit guy for a relationship that went bad,
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: and I was the guy on the phone during the
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: undercover call in this case with a wife, and it
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: is so funny. And I'm being undercovered narcotics detector for
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: a long time and got into this role as a
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: hit man. People always talk on the phone, they try
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: to talk in code, and I was talking in code
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: to this one particular lady. It's just so funny. They
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: are not as diabolical with their planning of a murder
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: like people think they should be. I had Maryland's first
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: life without parole case ever happened, and it was a
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: contract murder involving a wife and a husband. Totally different
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: case where I was the undercover hitman. But again, it's
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: just so funny how just things just crumple down. And
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: the worst thing that you can have in any kind
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: of crime is another person. And if there's another person,
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: which in this case there are several, they'll altern on
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: each other, which obviously in this case, they have what
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: I call in this case, and I don't know if
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: I've coined this, if it's my own thing or not,
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: but it's relationship terrorism, like that bomb that was dropped
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: on the husband before he went for the speaking engagement.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: And then these guys here, the Garcia and Rivera. I mean,
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: come on, you think there's no ring cameras loss the
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: streeter or at the front of the house. I mean,
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: come on, it's just just it's so.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: And now it culminates from the hitmen to the breastlift
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: as payment for setting up the hit, to the son,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the brother, Charlie Adelson, to the mother Donna Adelson on trial.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Now the only one unscathed is Wendy Adelson, and all
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: of this, according to prosecutors, was for her. She says
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: she knew nothing of it. And speaking of Donna Adelson,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: she came this close, this close to getting out of
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the country and going to a non extradition jurisdiction, specifically
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the Nam caught at the airport.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, it is a sweetheart.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Let's just get away. We're just get away somewhere.
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: So we could have sometimes to think.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, So your testimony is that you weren't trying to
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: go to Vietnam because you wouldn't be able to be.
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  Speaker 1: Extradited from there.
• 40:14
  Speaker 11: So my husband actually had said, you know, we've been
• 40:19
  Speaker 11: to Vietnam, before with friends, we run vacation and it
• 40:25
  Speaker 11: really was like a place of peace. And so he said,
• 40:30
  Speaker 11: if we go to a non extradition country, then if
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: the law enforcement decided that they wanted to arrest you,
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: or maybe whatever both he said, then he said, we
• 40:43
  Speaker 11: won't be sitting in a foreign prison waiting months to
• 40:46
  Speaker 11: go back. We could buy a ticket and we could
• 40:48
  Speaker 11: go home. And my understanding was that I could go
• 40:52
  Speaker 11: home and I could turn myself in if that's what
• 40:55
  Speaker 11: they wanted.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it typically does not work.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: You go to a non extradition country and then when
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: the cops want to arrest you, you just come home.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Okay. That is what we.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Call in the law flight as evidence of guilt. You
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: leave the scene of the crime, or you leave before
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you can get caught. Everyone is wondering what else was
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: heard on those tapped phone calls to gg McKelvey. We
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: have been listening to Ellie on the stand now going
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: on two days.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: What did they say yesterday?
• 41:39
  Speaker 10: They pretty much went through a couple of calls, initially
• 41:42
  Speaker 10: about Wendy and I think what the prosecution was trying
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: to do was show that Donna was complaining about relationships
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: and jobs that Wendy had chosen, and she was having
• 41:53
  Speaker 10: Charlie do her bidding for her. You need to talk
• 41:57
  Speaker 10: to your sister, talker out of this. You need to
• 41:59
  Speaker 10: talk her in to this. So I think the first
• 42:01
  Speaker 10: couple of calls, that's what that was for. Then we
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: get into those bump calls that we've been talking about,
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: where there's panic.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: You know, Donad's not wanting to say much.
• 42:10
  Speaker 10: Charlie notoriously repeats himself in these wiretap calls that we
• 42:14
  Speaker 10: will hear throughout today. But it's what we're hearing is
• 42:20
  Speaker 10: the absence of the question, which, ex Girlfriend, what is
• 42:25
  Speaker 10: five thousand dollars? Why is this random guy handing me
• 42:28
  Speaker 10: some article about Dan on the street?
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: What is going on?
• 42:32
  Speaker 10: No police called nothing at all except that phone call
• 42:36
  Speaker 10: right after that, Charlie, we need to have dinner. This
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: involves the two of us. The TV was about five
• 42:43
  Speaker 10: and they have determined over the course of these wiretaps,
• 42:46
  Speaker 10: TV is code for murder.
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: Jeffery Lecash was dating Wendy Agelson around the time of
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: dan murder and says he felt like he was being
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: framed as the possible killer. Lacas says Wendy pushed for
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: details about an upcoming trip to Atlanta on July eighteenth,
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: when he was leaving direction of travel. Turns out the
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: killers rented a car similar in color and style to
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: La cass gray Nissan Sentra and travel in the same
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: direction as La Cass as they had out of town.
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: He also notes he had plans to travel that route
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: the same morning in June twenty fourteen that the hitman
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: arrived in Tallahassee during their first attempt to kill Markel.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: JJ mccalveny joining US investigative journalist. So Wendy Adelson's boyfriend
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: thought her family, including her, was trying to set him
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: up to take the fall for the murder.
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, and he told a story that would support that.
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: He and Wendy actually were on a break at her request.
• 43:48
  Speaker 10: She had just got back from a ten weeks day
• 43:50
  Speaker 10: in Miami, and they met up and she said, look,
• 43:53
  Speaker 10: you know, I really just want some days alone. And
• 43:56
  Speaker 10: this is at the time that the actual murder happened.
• 44:00
  Speaker 10: They met up one last time and as they're going
• 44:03
  Speaker 10: to their car, she turns and asks him about his
• 44:06
  Speaker 10: trip that was happening the next day. Hey, what would
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: cause you not to go on your trip, Which way
• 44:12
  Speaker 10: are you going?
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: And he thought it was odd.
• 44:14
  Speaker 10: And so he goes on about his day and come
• 44:17
  Speaker 10: to find out both times, the first attempt that happened
• 44:21
  Speaker 10: in June, that law enforcement did not know about, in fact,
• 44:24
  Speaker 10: until Luis Rivera told them in his profer they ranted
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: a car very similar to Jeff Lacass's. And I don't
• 44:32
  Speaker 10: think it's much of a coincidence that on two separate
• 44:35
  Speaker 10: trips in two separate months, when the killers are in town,
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: that's when Jeff Lacass scheduled to go out. He would
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: have taken a route that would have went very near
• 44:45
  Speaker 10: Dan Markel's house about the same time that the two
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: hitmen would have been fleeing the area after the shooting.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: I absolutely think they tried to set Jeff up because
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: it would be easy.
• 44:56
  Speaker 10: He disliked Dan because he adopted the Adelson way of
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: thinking about Dan at the time, he was with Wendy.
• 45:02
  Speaker 10: That's what you do sometimes when you're in relationships, So
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: it could have been the perfect storm for him, but
• 45:07
  Speaker 10: thank goodness, he was able to person.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Isn't there other than brainwashing the boyfriend Dave mac I'm interested,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I'm curious about a conversation. According to the boyfriend, Jeffrey
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: La Cass, he says, Wendy Adelson, the mom of the boys,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Dan Markel's wife.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: That wanted the divorce and moved the boys away.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Wendy Adelson, according to Lacas, says, and I'm reading it verbatim,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: can I tell you something confidentially? Last summer, my brother
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: looked into all options possible to take care of the
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Danny Markel problem, including hiring a hitman, and it would
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: cost about fifteen thousand dollars.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Then there was a question, is this some kind of
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: joke Charlie made? And the boyfriend says, this was no joke.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Did that happen? Has the jury heard that evidence of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the conversation with Wendy Adelson?
• 46:23
  Speaker 12: They have.
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: Jeff Lecash actually has already testified Nancy, and he broke
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: this all out Georgia Kapelman when the prosecutors actually was
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: able to bring this out of him, and she even
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: went back to, what was this a joke? Kind of
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: like how Charlie blew off the TV as a divorced
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: president kind of thing as a joke, And he was like, no,
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: this is not a joke, because think about it in context, Nancy,
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: You've got Wendy Adelson volunteering that Charlie came up with
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: a plan and it would cost fifteen grand. That's beyond joking.
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: That's not an off handed comment. Is a very firm
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: I got to get this off my chest kind of thing.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And she did, you know what. And I don't care
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: how angry I get at my husband. If someone said, hey,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a TV as a divorce present,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: it's cheaper than a hitman, they would get a total
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: knuckle sandwich. Okay, But according to what the boyfriend says,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: this was no joke. And let me remind everyone, Wendy Adelson.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Has not been charged.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: She is not a person of interest in the murder
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: of Dan Markel. Everyone in our country is innocent. They
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: are presumed innocent until and unless the state pierces that
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: presumption of innocence with guilt to prove the incident actually.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Happened and the defendant is guilty.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Wendy Adelson, as of tonight, has not been charged as
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: a suspect or person of interest in this case, and
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: we wait as justice unfolds for the so called monster
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: in law, Donna Adelson. We remember an American hero, Detective
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Irving Calendar, Newark PD, killed in the line of duty.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Survived by grieving wife Melissa, two sons, Irving and Robert,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: and beautiful niece Zenaiah. American hero Detective Irving Calendar, Nancy
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Gray signing off goodbye friend,