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Sharri | 31 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On Sky News Bitess and Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening, Welcome to the show, and it's a big
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Speaker 2: show tonight. In breaking news, Peter Dutton has demanded that
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Speaker 2: ABC chair Kim Williams show some backbone and rainan Laura Tingle,
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Speaker 2: who he accused of hijacking, yes, hijacking the ABC. These
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Speaker 2: are Peter Dutton's strongest comments yet about the public broadcaster.
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Speaker 2: I spoke with him in an exclusive interview where Dutton
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Speaker 2: is now in Israel. He's just sat down with Benjamin
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Speaker 2: Netanyahoo and Dutton spoke with the Israeli Prime Minister about
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Speaker 2: the need to repair the relationship between Australia and Israel
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Speaker 2: after it's been damaged by the Albanezy government. That full interview,
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Speaker 2: very strong remarks. You don't want to miss it. That's
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Speaker 2: coming up shortly. Also on the show tonight, New Hope
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Speaker 2: economist will join me to break down today's inflation data.
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Speaker 3: Also tonight, an.
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Speaker 2: Olympic gender row has boiled over in Paris, and what
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Speaker 2: Rex airlines downfall.
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Speaker 3: Means for regional communities.
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Speaker 2: But first in major news today, leaders of Hamas and
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Speaker 2: Hezbla have been killed in a win for the fight
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Speaker 2: against terror. Hamas's political leader, Ismael Hanier was killed in
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Speaker 2: the early hours of the morning at his residence in Tehran.
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Speaker 2: Iran released a statement saying that he was assassinated inn
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Speaker 2: and I quote a treacherous Zionus.
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Speaker 3: Raid on his residence in Tehran.
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Speaker 2: Israel has confirmed the death but has not made a
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Speaker 2: comment accepting responsibility. Hanier did nothing for Palestinians. They suffered
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Speaker 2: in this war thanks to Hamas, putting them in harm's way.
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Speaker 2: All the while, Honier was a billionaire living a life
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Speaker 2: of luxury nowhere near Gaza. The aim of Israel's war
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Speaker 2: against Hamas is to eliminate the terror group which murdered babies, children,
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Speaker 2: and even a pregnant woman in cold blood on October seven.
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Speaker 2: Hamas is a force of evil in this world and
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Speaker 2: it must be dismantled. Its leaders must be killed. Yet
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Speaker 2: Hanie's death was shockingly condemned here in Australia by the
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Speaker 2: Australian Palestine Advocacy Network and its president Nasamashni. In a
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Speaker 2: media release, APAN said the Australia Palestine Advocacy Network says
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Speaker 2: the extra judicial assassination of the political head of Hamas
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Speaker 2: is Mael Hania is a grave war crime that risks
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Speaker 2: exacerbating violence in the region.
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Speaker 3: They said.
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Speaker 2: The Australian government must condemn these brazen violations of international
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Speaker 2: law and take immediate and decisive action to see Israel
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Speaker 2: held to account for its crimes. This, perhaps more than
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Speaker 2: anything else, has exposed the Palistine Inian organization here in
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Speaker 2: Australia to be upset about the death of a terrorist leader,
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Speaker 2: her Maas that not only massacret Israeli's but deliberately sparked
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Speaker 2: this war that has cost too many Palestinian lives as well.
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Speaker 2: This is the Palestinian organization that the media loves to quote.
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Speaker 4: No one's addressing the root issue in this conflict, which
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Speaker 4: is the displacement and destruction of Palestine, the ethnic cleansing
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Speaker 4: of Palestine, as David Cameron described it when he was
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister, an open air prison. The reality is that
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Speaker 4: whilst Israel denies Palestinian's hope, we've got to work towards
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Speaker 4: a better tomorrow. This land is Abraham's land. We've got
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Speaker 4: a situation. We are manufacturing consent for a genocide.
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Speaker 1: Her mass is not the problem. The problem is Zionism.
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Speaker 2: Well, perhaps the likes of the ABC network, ten other
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Speaker 2: commercial networks and even Daytime Sky should now realize precisely
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Speaker 2: who they're having on air, because no moderate individual is
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Speaker 2: upset by the death of a bloodthirsty terrorist. His death is, however,
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Speaker 2: a blow to Hamas and to Iran, and they're anti
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Speaker 2: West supporters like Russia, and the deputy Russian Foreign Minister
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Speaker 2: Mikhail Boghdadov reportedly said this is an absolutely unacceptable political
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Speaker 2: murder and it will lead to further escalations of tensions.
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Speaker 2: Turkey's Foreign ministry also criticized the we what they called
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Speaker 2: shameful assassination in Tehran, saying in a statement quoted by
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Speaker 2: Reuters that this attack also aims to spread the Gaza
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Speaker 2: war to a regional dimension, and the terror chief's death
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Speaker 2: has also been condemned by Iran, Qatar, Malaysia, and as
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Speaker 2: I said, Russia. Well, the assassination embarrasses Iran because if
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Speaker 2: it turns out that the Massad managed to target a
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Speaker 2: senior figure within their borders, well it shows flaws in
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Speaker 2: their own security. And Hesbela's top military chief was also
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Speaker 2: killed in an air strike overnight in Beirut, and that
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Speaker 2: was in retaliation for the murder of twelve children who
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Speaker 2: were just playing soccer on a field in northern Israel. Now,
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Speaker 2: the death of hamasa's top political leader is making news
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Speaker 2: around the world, and it comes on top of thirteen
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Speaker 2: thousand terrorists that Israel says it has killed in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: This is all a positive sign that Israel does appear
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Speaker 2: to be making inroads against Hamas, perhaps winning the war,
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Speaker 2: and this is unquestionably crucial for any future peace and
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Speaker 2: stability in the region. Opposition leader Peter Dutton is in
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Speaker 2: Israel at the moment. He's holding high level meetings and
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Speaker 2: I spoke with him in an exclusive interview a little
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Speaker 2: earlier this afternoon. Peter Dutton, Welcome to the program from
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Speaker 2: Jerusalem in Israel.
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Speaker 1: Pleasure sharing. Nice to be with you. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Look you're there at the time the major news has
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Speaker 2: broken that the political leader of Hamas has been killed.
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Speaker 2: What's your reaction to this news that's making headlines around
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Speaker 2: the world.
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Speaker 5: We'll share there are many reports obviously at the moment,
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Speaker 5: but we know that Hamas is a terrorist organization. We
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Speaker 5: know that they were responsible for the brutal slaughter literally
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Speaker 5: all over a longer period of time, thousands of people,
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Speaker 5: and we know that they were the mastermind behind the
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Speaker 5: October seven atrocities. So, like we know with al Qaeda
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Speaker 5: and other terrorist organizations, they pose a threat to our
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Speaker 5: way of life. They certainly pose an existential threat to
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Speaker 5: the Israeli people, and you would expect the Israelis to
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Speaker 5: take action, particularly.
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Speaker 1: Given the slaughter that took place on October seven.
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Speaker 2: Mister Darton, you've met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Natanya,
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Speaker 2: who this is a very significant meeting, the first Australian
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Speaker 2: politician to meet with him since October seven.
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Speaker 3: What did you discuss.
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Speaker 5: Well, we had about an hour meeting which was quite lengthy,
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Speaker 5: and he had his national security team there as well,
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Speaker 5: so it was high level and I was very grateful
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Speaker 5: for the access and the time that he gave to us.
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Speaker 5: As you know, Israel has provided intelligence to Australia over
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Speaker 5: a period of time which has resulted in the lives
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Speaker 5: of Australian diggers being saved in the Middle East, and
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Speaker 5: I think it's a relationship that we need to rebuild,
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Speaker 5: that we need to restore, and that we need to respect.
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Speaker 5: And I sent a very clear message on behalf of
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Speaker 5: the coalition that should we win the next election, we
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Speaker 5: look forward to the relationship becoming stronger and making sure
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Speaker 5: that we can build off the platform of previous prime
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Speaker 5: ministers where the relationship has been close, it has been
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Speaker 5: strong and to our mutual benefit. So we just obviously
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Speaker 5: a broad range of issues. Obviously in relation to the
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Speaker 5: current security context. What's happening with the WHODI is, what's
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Speaker 5: happening with the Maas and Hesbela, the threats to here
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Speaker 5: to Israel otherwise, and obviously a broad ranging discussion on
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Speaker 5: areas of mutual interest.
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Speaker 2: Otherwise, I understand from my own contacts that the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Netanya Who thanked you for your support of Israel
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Speaker 2: and your personal leadership on anti Semitism in your answer
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Speaker 2: to me before you use the word rebuilt, that you
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Speaker 2: indicated to Natanya that if a coalition team was in government,
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Speaker 2: you would rebuild the relationship between Israel and Australia. Was
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Speaker 2: there therefore an element of concern from Netanya Who and
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Speaker 2: his security team with the various foreign policy positions and
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Speaker 2: public criticisms that have been taken by the Albanezy government,
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Speaker 2: particularly in the wake of October seven, Well.
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Speaker 5: Sharry I've certainly expressed a publicly and privately my view
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Speaker 5: in relation to the level of anti Semitism and the
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Speaker 5: lack of leadership that the Prime Minister has demonstrated. I
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Speaker 5: think most Australians recognize that now it was the time
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Speaker 5: for the Prime Minister to stand up when that unruly
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Speaker 5: mob stepped onto the fore court in Sydney at the
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Speaker 5: Opera House. He didn't, and it's allowed a level of
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Speaker 5: anti Semitism to rise in our country that's provided a
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Speaker 5: level of.
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Speaker 1: Really distress, I've got to say.
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Speaker 5: Within the Jewish community, as you will know, so I've
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Speaker 5: spoken publicly and privately about that the level of antisemitism
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Speaker 5: is seeing in our country has not been evidenced in
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Speaker 5: our country's history, and in fact, it's very confronting to
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Speaker 5: me that when you speak to Holocaust survivors or the descendants,
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Speaker 5: they are very clear in their advice that frankly, they're
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Speaker 5: thinking about coming back to Israel because I think it
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Speaker 5: would be safer than staying in Australia.
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Speaker 1: People have lived in peace.
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Speaker 5: And harmony since nineteen forty five, and for the first
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Speaker 5: time in twenty twenty four, they feel unsecure in our
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Speaker 5: country and there's a reason for for that.
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Speaker 1: So my job is to.
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Speaker 5: Make sure that we build our equities and to make
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Speaker 5: sure that we re establish relationships where they've been damaged.
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to go into the private conversations, obviously,
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Speaker 5: but I've been publicly critical of both Penny Wong, our
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Speaker 5: Foreign Minister, and also of the Prime Minister. I think
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Speaker 5: they have demonstrated a lack of leadership and I think
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Speaker 5: we should have a zero tolerance for anti Semitism in Australia.
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Speaker 5: That's been a consistent message from the Coalition since October seven,
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Speaker 5: and we won't be deviating from that part.
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Speaker 2: I understand that there was a sense out of your
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Speaker 2: discussions that these threats that we're seeing aren't just a
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Speaker 2: threat to Israel, but a civilizational battle that's raging in
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Speaker 2: the West as well. Was that a theme not just
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Speaker 2: with your discussion with Natan Yahoo, but also with the
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Speaker 2: Israeli President Isaac Kurtzok.
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Speaker 5: Well, it's certainly a broader theme, and I think it's
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Speaker 5: a very valid one. I think in the West we
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Speaker 5: need to realize that our civilization, as we know at
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Speaker 5: our democracy, our rule of law, that the adherence international law,
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Speaker 5: all of that is under threat and it is a
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Speaker 5: time for Australia to reassess where we are in the world,
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Speaker 5: to make sure that we align ourselves more significantly with
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Speaker 5: our partners. The Orchest deal with the United States and
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Speaker 5: the United Kingdom was integral to us forming a stronger
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Speaker 5: alliance with those two countries, but so too when the
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Speaker 5: coalition government was in power, we were able to bring
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Speaker 5: together the Quad with Japan and India as well as
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Speaker 5: the United States. All of those relationships are vital, but
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Speaker 5: so too is the relationship with Israel.
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Speaker 1: They're our closest.
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Speaker 5: Ally in the Middle East, and as I say, they've
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Speaker 5: been a force for good in terms of providing support
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Speaker 5: to our interests in the Middle East over the course
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Speaker 5: of the last couple of decades, and we shouldn't neglect that.
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Speaker 1: We should never forget it.
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Speaker 2: What sense of determination did you get from Natanyahu and
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Speaker 2: his team about the urgency of securing the release of
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Speaker 2: the hostages and also the need to eliminate hamas.
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Speaker 1: Will show. It's a great question.
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Speaker 5: I mean, as we know there are still one hundred
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Speaker 5: and fifteen people who are held in captivity, who were.
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Speaker 1: Buried away in tunnels.
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Speaker 5: We don't know how many are alive, how many are dead,
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Speaker 5: What brutality they've experienced at the hands of these terrorists,
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Speaker 5: and the barbaric acts we saw when we visited the
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Speaker 5: Kabutz and the Nova Music Festival site yesterday.
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Speaker 1: They're horrific scenes young people who are butchered.
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Speaker 5: We've seen the videos, the body cam footage of some
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Speaker 5: of the terrorist that was recovered hunting people down in
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Speaker 5: the streets, going in murdering children and women, abducting people
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Speaker 5: and taking them back as hostages. So I have to say,
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Speaker 5: as you would expect from the President down the Prime
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Speaker 5: Minister down here, they are absolutely determined to make sure
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Speaker 5: that they can keep the people of Israel safe and secure,
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Speaker 5: to make sure that there's not a recurrence of what
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Speaker 5: we saw on October seven, And they have the capacity
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Speaker 5: to do that. Prime Minister Netna Netnyahu, as you know,
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Speaker 5: has been an experienced hand and I think it's valued
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Speaker 5: here in Israel in terms of making sure that they
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Speaker 5: can meet the threats and stare down the threats that
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Speaker 5: are existential to people here. When we hear the chance
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Speaker 5: of river to the sea, this is where I'm standing,
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Speaker 5: and they want to drive people from their homes here
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Speaker 5: literally into the sea, off the map, and so you
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Speaker 5: can understand why they take so seriously the issue of
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Speaker 5: safety and security here.
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Speaker 2: Look, we're showing people at home at the moment, footage
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Speaker 2: of you visiting the site of the Nova Music Festival.
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Speaker 2: What was that like for you, Peter Dutton, going to
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Speaker 2: that site of the massacre where so many people were
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Speaker 2: just killed in.
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Speaker 5: Cold blood, Well, it was To say it was confronting
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Speaker 5: is just an understatement. We'd watched the classified videos before,
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Speaker 5: as I said, and it showed literally that the of
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Speaker 5: these innocent young people at the festival, but elsewhere in
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Speaker 5: the attack as well.
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Speaker 1: So to have that.
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Speaker 5: Image in your mind as you go there and physically
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Speaker 5: walk the ground, there's just nowhere to hide.
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Speaker 1: It's flat ground.
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Speaker 5: You've got thousands of people shouting and chanting and firing
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Speaker 5: shots they had. They're particularly well armed, as we know,
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Speaker 5: and people were just mowed down. They were trying to
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Speaker 5: escape into their cars. And the footage of them being
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Speaker 5: shot as they were approaching checkpoints that Hamas has set up.
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Speaker 1: It was graphic. It was horrific.
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Speaker 5: And to see the faces of those young people on
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Speaker 5: the signs, it's the face of innocence.
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Speaker 1: These people don't have a political acts to grind.
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Speaker 5: In fact, many of them younger people, probably left leaning,
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Speaker 5: very sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, would have been in
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Speaker 5: the case of those involved in some of the Kutz activities,
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Speaker 5: providing support to financial court to some people in the
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Speaker 5: Palestinian territory as well. So it doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 5: But most acts of barbaric, dehumanized conduct from terrorist groups,
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Speaker 5: I mean that don't make sense. We saw it and
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Speaker 5: we still see it today with is and we've seen
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Speaker 5: it over a long period of time. The senseless attacks
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Speaker 5: on men and women are people of Islamic faith as well,
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Speaker 5: who were slaughtered by Hamas. It's a terrible, terrible circumstance,
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Speaker 5: and we hope that the people who being held captive
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Speaker 5: can be returned home soon and there can be a
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Speaker 5: ceasefy following that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I understand.
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Speaker 2: You also had quite emotional and moving meetings with both
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Speaker 2: hostage families and even a hostage an elderly person who
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Speaker 2: was taken captive by Hamasa and then a father who
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Speaker 2: had four members of his family who are being held hostage.
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Speaker 2: What will those meetings like for you, you know, speaking
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Speaker 2: to those people who are actually dealing with the reality
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Speaker 2: of not knowing if they're ever going to see their
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Speaker 2: family members again.
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Speaker 5: Well again, it's I mean, it was raw emotion and
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Speaker 5: you could see the pain in their eyes. The elderly
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Speaker 5: lady that we spoke to had been released, but she
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Speaker 5: obviously had gone through an unbelievable experience that I didn't
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Speaker 5: ask her to share, and I don't want.
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Speaker 1: The graphic details.
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Speaker 5: I could see the pain that she'd been through as
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Speaker 5: she was speaking about the initial attack.
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Speaker 1: And when you look at the.
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Speaker 5: Father and you see the father holding up the photos
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Speaker 5: of loved ones that he just wants back. These are
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Speaker 5: innocent people, as I say, they're not soldiers, that they're
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Speaker 5: not political players, they're not people who are.
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Speaker 1: Anything other than young people.
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Speaker 5: Enjoying their lives, and that they're still held captive, particularly
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Speaker 5: for the younger earls, not knowing what sort of brutalization
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Speaker 5: takes place. That's the reality of their life. It's incomprehensible
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Speaker 5: as a parent, and I really felt for them during
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Speaker 5: our discussions, and it was a very moving exchange.
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Speaker 2: As you say, look, you've been in Israel about three
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Speaker 2: days now. You've had many high level meetings and meeting
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Speaker 2: with local community leaders as well. Has there been a
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Speaker 2: sense of concern and confusion about where the Israel Australia
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Speaker 2: relationship has been over the past nine and a half months.
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Speaker 5: Well, just talk generally, because obviously we've spoken with a
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Speaker 5: lot of people and there are a lot of friends
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Speaker 5: here of Australia. There are a lot of Australians that
17:44
Speaker 5: we've run into here as well who are living in
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Speaker 5: Israel or visiting friends. Just at a restaurant last night,
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Speaker 5: a couple of people stopped. I was out walking this
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Speaker 5: morning and stopped by an individual, and others that we've
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Speaker 5: spoken to, there is a wilderment to be honest about
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Speaker 5: the government's approach. I think people really have been quite
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Speaker 5: shocked about the departure from the position that Australia as
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Speaker 5: long held, the activity at the un by Penny Wong
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Speaker 5: and the statements of restraint when Hermas was still holding
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Speaker 5: people captive and the attack was still underway. I mean,
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Speaker 5: it's quite remarkable in the circumstances that the government has
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Speaker 5: taken that decision for their own grass domestic political purposes,
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Speaker 5: and that's a decision that they need to live with
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Speaker 5: because I believe the relationship is too important and too
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Speaker 5: necessary to be playing politics with. And that's why I say,
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Speaker 5: and I'm very definite about this, from day one in government,
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Speaker 5: we will make sure that we prioritize the rebuilding of
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Speaker 5: this relationship because it's in Australia's long term interests. We
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Speaker 5: don't know when we'll need to rely on Israel again.
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Speaker 5: That we want to be a friend that's not fair weather,
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Speaker 5: a friend that's there in all seasons, and that says
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Speaker 5: it should be.
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Speaker 2: Mister Darton, I understand from my own contacts that Australia's
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Speaker 2: anti Israel media coverage and even the impartiality of the
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Speaker 2: taxpayer funded ABC was raised during your meeting with Natan
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Speaker 2: Yahoo and Ron Dermer. I understand that Rondrmer spoke about
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Speaker 2: his own experience of being interviewed on the seven thirty report.
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Speaker 2: He saw that as a hostile interview. Did you find
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Speaker 2: it extraordinary that the taxpayer funded ABC was caught into
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Speaker 2: question at the highest levels of the Israeli government, Well.
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Speaker 5: Sherry, I watched, actually had watched Ron's interview on the ABC.
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Speaker 5: I found it quite astounding and I think the ABC
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Speaker 5: needs to have a recheck. I think Kim Williams really
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Speaker 5: needs to show some backbone and stand up to people
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Speaker 5: like Laura Single and others who have hijacked the ABC.
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Speaker 5: This is taxpayers money and it needs to be objective
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Speaker 5: in its reporting. Clearly it's not in the The inherent
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Speaker 5: bias now, the cultural bias within the ABC is the
20:04
Speaker 5: reason that their numbers are plummeting. In most Austraians find
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Speaker 5: it a distraction from their daily lives and their own
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Speaker 5: views instead of being the informative news source that it
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Speaker 5: has been for all of us over a long period
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Speaker 5: of time. So brother Ron did an exceptional job in
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Speaker 5: that interview and pushing back.
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Speaker 1: In fact, i'd encourage him to to do more.
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Speaker 5: But I think, yes, I mean, I think there's people
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Speaker 5: who really have been quite amazed by some of the reporting,
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Speaker 5: particularly the ABC, and that's been expressed to us by
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Speaker 5: different people on this visit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Peter Dutton, thank you very much, not
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Speaker 2: just for joining us with this exclusive interview from Israel,
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Speaker 2: but also for making this trip, for bearing witness to
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Speaker 2: the atrocities that have taken place, that have killed so
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Speaker 2: many Jewish people, the largest loss of life.
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Speaker 3: In a single day since the Holocaust.
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Speaker 2: It's the trip the Prime minister should have made many
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Speaker 2: other most other Western leaders did make that trip in
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Speaker 2: the wake of October seven. And thank you for going
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Speaker 2: there and making the trip.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Cherry TAKEO appreciate it. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: And that was Opposition leader Peter Darton from Israel very
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Speaker 2: Newsy interview. The two big revelations there that during his
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Speaker 2: meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, he said that
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Speaker 2: if he were Prime minister, he would rebuild the broken
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Speaker 2: Israel Australia relationship. And also he said that ABC chair
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Speaker 2: Kim Williams should show some backbone and raining journalists. He says,
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Speaker 2: like Laura Tinkle who dart and accused of hijacking the ABC.
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Speaker 2: We'll discuss that a bit later with my panel. More
21:40
Speaker 2: to come after the break and new poll reveals Australians
21:43
Speaker 2: are blaming labor for high power prices plus the Olympic
21:46
Speaker 2: gender row.
21:48
Speaker 3: That stole the show in Paris. Welcome back.
21:55
Speaker 2: Well, let's bring in now our Wednesday panel, former Victorian
21:58
Speaker 2: Liberal Party president Mac Kroger and labor.
22:01
Speaker 3: Legend At Graham Richardson. Great to see you both.
22:04
Speaker 2: Look, we're going to get to the inflation data in
22:06
Speaker 2: just a minute, but I just want to get your
22:08
Speaker 2: reaction to Peter Dutton's comments there Michael Kroger very specifically
22:14
Speaker 2: about that ABC. He said that it was about time
22:17
Speaker 2: that Kim Williams showed some backbone rained in the ABC.
22:21
Speaker 2: He said the journalists like Laura Tingle but others were
22:24
Speaker 2: hijacking the public broadcaster. He said there was an inherent
22:27
Speaker 2: bias in it, a cultural bias. He said, it's tax
22:31
Speaker 2: payers money, it needs to be objective in its reporting
22:33
Speaker 2: that it's clearly not. And he said that that most
22:37
Speaker 2: Australians find it a distraction from their daily lives instead
22:40
Speaker 2: of finding it the informative source of news that it's
22:44
Speaker 2: meant to be, and also of course accusing it of
22:46
Speaker 2: an anti Israel bias. What did you think of those comments,
22:50
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger.
22:52
Speaker 6: Well, of course Dutton's absolutely right, and the Sydney based
22:56
Speaker 6: ABC News and Current Affairs Division is holding host Stinge.
23:00
Speaker 6: The rest of the ABC, I mean, Rural ABC, which
23:03
Speaker 6: is fantastic Rural Radio, which is great kids, children's drama, sport, comedy,
23:09
Speaker 6: et cetera, are all being tarnished by this sort of
23:13
Speaker 6: horrific sort are hard left bias coming out of the
23:15
Speaker 6: Sydney News and Current Affairs Division. It's been going on
23:18
Speaker 6: for years, and of course Peter Dutton is right. Kim
23:22
Speaker 6: Williams is someone who has brought in and there was
23:23
Speaker 6: a lot of hope that Kim Williams, who owed nothing
23:25
Speaker 6: to anybody, would come in and just clean up this
23:29
Speaker 6: sort of you know, Stall would have left wing you know, propaganda,
23:32
Speaker 6: and let's hope he does. I mean, you know ITAs
23:36
Speaker 6: now come out and said, oh the thing's biased. Well
23:38
Speaker 6: good on you Ida. You know we tried to warn
23:40
Speaker 6: you about that when you were there. So let's hope
23:43
Speaker 6: Kim Williams can do something because the ABC is tarnishing
23:46
Speaker 6: its brand and it's doing it very badly.
23:49
Speaker 2: Charry so Rich Peter Dutton's criticism, in particular of Laura Tingle,
23:54
Speaker 2: saying she's hijacking the ABC. All this comes after Laura
23:57
Speaker 2: Tingle has been very critical of the opposition leader in
24:01
Speaker 2: recent times. She's accused him of adopting Trumpian language, of
24:05
Speaker 2: having a loose grasp of the facts, criticized his nuclear policy.
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Speaker 3: So is it surprising that Dutton.
24:12
Speaker 2: Has come out this strongly and do you agree should
24:15
Speaker 2: Kim Williams reign in the journalists, like Dutton has demanded.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think Kim Williams is going to have to
24:22
Speaker 7: have a quiet word in her ear because I think
24:25
Speaker 7: she has gone over the top. I think Dutton's absolutely
24:29
Speaker 7: entitled to say it's wrong. I'm not going to get
24:32
Speaker 7: in the road of that as far as I'm concerned.
24:35
Speaker 7: The ABC does have a duty to be impartial and occasionally,
24:40
Speaker 7: and I might say it's only occasional, but it does
24:44
Speaker 7: go over the top and I think cross a line
24:47
Speaker 7: you shouldn't cross.
24:50
Speaker 2: Well, let's look at the inflation data today, and your
24:53
Speaker 2: inflation rose to three point eight percent, up from three
24:56
Speaker 2: point six percent from the start of the year. Now
24:59
Speaker 2: this was a line with the RBA's forecast, but not treasuries.
25:04
Speaker 2: If there is a silver lining in today's data, it's
25:06
Speaker 2: that underlying inflation declined ever so slightly, from four percent
25:11
Speaker 2: to three point nine percent. Michael Krogie, there's been debate
25:14
Speaker 2: over these figures today. We've heard opposing views from the
25:17
Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers and the Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor.
25:21
Speaker 3: What's your view.
25:24
Speaker 6: Well, as you know, I've never taken a view the
25:26
Speaker 6: view that we three interest rate rises this year. I
25:30
Speaker 6: didn't ever think that was politically possible, but it looks
25:33
Speaker 6: as if next week, next Tuesday, the RBA won't do anything,
25:39
Speaker 6: and it's now wait and see game. You know, I've
25:42
Speaker 6: always taken the view that Albaneze he needs a rate
25:44
Speaker 6: cut before he goes to election because he promised people
25:48
Speaker 6: that he would be able to solve the cost of
25:49
Speaker 6: living crisis. You know, he said he had a plan
25:52
Speaker 6: to fix this, and he won hundreds of thousands of
25:55
Speaker 6: votes on the basis of that and the two hundred
25:57
Speaker 6: and seventy five dollars cut to power prices. So one
25:59
Speaker 6: of the reasons his polls are are clining. He promised
26:02
Speaker 6: beyond his capacity to deliver, and that is now doing
26:06
Speaker 6: him immense damage. When people see he is on these issues,
26:08
Speaker 6: he is an empty suit and he's not helped by
26:10
Speaker 6: the way by Jim Charmers. I'm sure it's a very
26:13
Speaker 6: nice fellow. But as I've said for months, Jim's a commentator.
26:16
Speaker 6: I mean, Jim can just tell you what's happening. Well,
26:18
Speaker 6: I can read that in the newspapers. He's about to
26:20
Speaker 6: deliver four budgets. The next four budgets will have over
26:23
Speaker 6: one hundred billion dollars worth of deficits shari which are forecast,
26:27
Speaker 6: which is why there won't be another budget before the
26:30
Speaker 6: next election. But Albanize is spending far too much money
26:34
Speaker 6: and any increase in aggregate demand puts pressure on prices
26:38
Speaker 6: and therefore inflation.
26:40
Speaker 2: Rich O, what do you think do you think this
26:42
Speaker 2: will take the pressure off a rate hike next week
26:45
Speaker 2: that the data that we saw.
26:46
Speaker 7: Today, Well, I think it takes some pressure off, but
26:49
Speaker 7: not enough. I think I expect more rate rises. I'm
26:55
Speaker 7: not sure they're very good politically, but I expect them.
27:00
Speaker 7: I think Jim Chalmers is a brilliant guy, but I
27:04
Speaker 7: think he's got to be a bit tougher. I think
27:07
Speaker 7: he needs to do more and he needs to show
27:11
Speaker 7: those around him that he's got what it takes, because obviously,
27:16
Speaker 7: I think there's a vat on in the knapsack somewhere there.
27:19
Speaker 7: So if you're carrying the bat hole, you need to
27:23
Speaker 7: show you're worthy.
27:25
Speaker 2: Well, many of us think he would be a leadership
27:29
Speaker 2: successor to Albanezi. But while we're on this topic, rich
27:32
Speaker 2: what about Tony Burke thinking his son prime minister or
27:36
Speaker 2: aspirant and now albows elevated him to the Home Affairs portfolio.
27:40
Speaker 2: Surely no one is seriously considering Tony Burke is a
27:44
Speaker 2: future prime minister.
27:46
Speaker 7: Well, I don't think that Tony would be out of
27:50
Speaker 7: the running. I think he's certainly in there. But you know,
27:55
Speaker 7: future prime minister's hard charmers and Miles have got a
27:59
Speaker 7: pretty head, big head start on him and it's hard
28:02
Speaker 7: to catch up.
28:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a joke, wouldn't it. Michael Kroger
28:07
Speaker 2: having someone like Tony Burke as a prime minister.
28:12
Speaker 6: Well, you and I might be laughing, but I don't
28:15
Speaker 6: think so. I mean Burke, Burke is one of the
28:18
Speaker 6: hard men of labor. He's delivered for the unions in
28:21
Speaker 6: his Portfolilore. He's a very good media performer, right, he
28:24
Speaker 6: won't be caught like Giles and O'Neill. He's a very
28:28
Speaker 6: good media performer. He'll have the backing now of a
28:30
Speaker 6: lot of the trade unions and look, in the end,
28:32
Speaker 6: the cream rises to the top. And his performance as
28:35
Speaker 6: a labor minister, right, as a labor minister, in terms
28:38
Speaker 6: of appealing to the labor caucus and the labor faithful,
28:42
Speaker 6: he's done a lot more to win votes amongst his
28:44
Speaker 6: constituency than Chalmers has or Richard Males has. So I
28:48
Speaker 6: think Richard's fading and Charmers is just as rich I
28:52
Speaker 6: absolutely says Jim Chalmers as I was the hell of
28:54
Speaker 6: a nice blake. You preferred him at a barbecue than
28:57
Speaker 6: Tony Burke. But that's not what we're going for here.
29:00
Speaker 6: I think Bert Stocks have risen dramatically within the caucus,
29:04
Speaker 6: whilst Chalmers is fading because Jim just can't make a point.
29:08
Speaker 6: You've got to make some enemies in this business, as
29:10
Speaker 6: Richard knows better than anyone, You've got to make enemies
29:12
Speaker 6: to make anything. He who makes no enemies makes nothing
29:14
Speaker 6: at all. Jim's a hell of a nice bloke. He's
29:17
Speaker 6: handing out, you know, free confetti at the weddings. But
29:22
Speaker 6: he's a lovely fellow. But boy, he's just a commentator.
29:26
Speaker 6: He's a suburban new newspaper journalist writing about the local sport,
29:30
Speaker 6: telling us what happened on Saturday. Doesn't want to make
29:32
Speaker 6: any enemies, Jim, and that doesn't serve you well in politics.
29:35
Speaker 3: Quick final word, Richo, I think.
29:40
Speaker 7: I think Jim could deal with a few more enemies.
29:42
Speaker 7: I'll leave it at that all right.
29:44
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, Graham Richardson, thank you both very much for
29:47
Speaker 2: joining me. Now still to come, a leading economist will
29:50
Speaker 2: break down today's inflation data and what it means for
29:53
Speaker 2: the cash rate. Plus we'll return to our top story,
29:56
Speaker 2: conflict in the Middle East as Hamasa's top leader is killed.
30:00
Speaker 2: Will cross live to an Israeli journalist shortly.
30:07
Speaker 3: Welcome back well.
30:07
Speaker 2: Concerns over a rate hike next week are easing slightly
30:12
Speaker 2: after today's inflation data was in line with the Central
30:15
Speaker 2: banks forecasts, although it was higher than what Treasury had
30:19
Speaker 2: predicted just a few months ago. CPI rose one percent
30:23
Speaker 2: in the June twenty twenty four quarter, bringing annual inflation
30:26
Speaker 2: to three point eight percent. This was Treasurer Jim Chalmer's response,
30:30
Speaker 2: saying that inflation is still easing despite the rise.
30:33
Speaker 3: Have a look.
30:35
Speaker 8: We know that people are still under pressure and this
30:37
Speaker 8: inflation in our economy is more persistent than any of
30:40
Speaker 8: us would like. But there are some within the data,
30:43
Speaker 8: there are some welcome developments. Even though inflation overall is
30:47
Speaker 8: still sticky and stubborn. We've got to get on top
30:49
Speaker 8: of this inflation challenge in our economy without smashing our
30:52
Speaker 8: economy or without smashing jobs.
30:55
Speaker 2: But Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor had a different take. He insisted,
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Speaker 2: inflation is now homegrown.
31:02
Speaker 9: This is homegrown inflation.
31:04
Speaker 8: This is Labour's homegrown inflation inflicting pain on every Australian household.
31:10
Speaker 2: All right, Judo Banks, A Chief economic advisor Warren Hogan
31:14
Speaker 2: joins me. Now, thank you very much for your time. Now,
31:18
Speaker 2: it did rise to three point eight percent, so the
31:21
Speaker 2: Treasury had forecast it was going to be three and
31:23
Speaker 2: a half percent the middle of this year. They were
31:25
Speaker 2: then forecasting that by the end of the year it
31:27
Speaker 2: would be down.
31:27
Speaker 3: To three percent.
31:28
Speaker 2: That's getting very close to the target band of two
31:31
Speaker 2: to three percent. So we're seeing that the Treasury was
31:33
Speaker 2: more optimistic. But given it was in line with where
31:36
Speaker 2: the RBA is expected inflation to be, do you think
31:40
Speaker 2: they're therefore less likely to raise rates at their board
31:43
Speaker 2: meeting next week.
31:44
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:45
Speaker 9: We were worried today's number would be a bad number
31:47
Speaker 9: because the monthly numbers for April and May had been
31:50
Speaker 9: and we thought there'd be a smoking gun for the RBA.
31:53
Speaker 9: But as it turned out, we got a more moderate number.
31:55
Speaker 9: It's still a bad number. We're still getting inflation at
31:57
Speaker 9: one percent in the quarter four percent and rates, so
32:01
Speaker 9: the smoking guns not there. But the RBA could easily say, look,
32:05
Speaker 9: it's sort of coming down. We can wait for another
32:07
Speaker 9: three months. But by the same token, the case for
32:10
Speaker 9: higher rates is quite clear, and that is inflation has
32:14
Speaker 9: stopped falling. It got to eight, it's come down to
32:16
Speaker 9: four late last year, and now it's just going sideways.
32:20
Speaker 9: And even though the days data didn't bear out the worst,
32:23
Speaker 9: it's still not telling us that inflation's heading to target.
32:26
Speaker 9: So the RBA has a case to go on top
32:27
Speaker 9: of the fact that we're creating a lot of jobs.
32:29
Speaker 1: And of course the.
32:30
Speaker 9: Big one is there's a huge fiscal stimulus about the
32:33
Speaker 9: hit the economy. Well he's hitting it right now, and
32:35
Speaker 9: text cuts and subsidies and so forth.
32:37
Speaker 2: Well, the treasurers seemed to be urging, not directly, of course,
32:42
Speaker 2: you know, he says he would never tell the independent
32:44
Speaker 2: IBA what to do, but it seemed to be urging
32:47
Speaker 2: the IRBA in his public commentary to hold off because
32:50
Speaker 2: he's saying that when some of the extra subsidies hit,
32:54
Speaker 2: that will lower inflation. This is part of his argument
32:57
Speaker 2: that his budget is deflationary.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that proposition's accurate?
33:02
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
33:03
Speaker 9: I mean, it's a narrative for the broader community, and
33:07
Speaker 9: it's obviously a cost of living measure which is helping
33:10
Speaker 9: people in terms of their budgets, But in terms of
33:12
Speaker 9: the inflation process and what worries the RBA and the
33:15
Speaker 9: idea of getting inflation out of our economy, Throwing money
33:18
Speaker 9: at the economy is not a solution to inflation. In fact,
33:21
Speaker 9: it adds to it. And I think the real risk
33:24
Speaker 9: here is the RBA chooses not to go next week
33:27
Speaker 9: because of this broader pressure on them to not raise rates,
33:29
Speaker 9: because this number wasn't as bad as feared. But as
33:33
Speaker 9: the stimulus that's coming through with tax cuts kicks in
33:35
Speaker 9: and the economy starts to look a bit better, and
33:37
Speaker 9: the next inflation number is no better, if could be
33:40
Speaker 9: even worse. Then if they raise rates later in the year,
33:43
Speaker 9: then the government's got nowhere to go, and it'll be
33:45
Speaker 9: clearly because the fiscal stimulus is hit and of course
33:48
Speaker 9: the inflation is not going away. So in a way
33:50
Speaker 9: you could argue the government should want to hike next
33:52
Speaker 9: week because that sort of is a hike not related
33:54
Speaker 9: to their fiscal stimulus. But it's coming and there's some
33:57
Speaker 9: early signs that people are responding positively to the tax
34:00
Speaker 9: as you'd expect.
34:02
Speaker 2: The Treasurer has argued that because of their energy subsidies,
34:05
Speaker 2: that component of inflation was much lower than it would
34:08
Speaker 2: have been. What happens when those subsidies and in about
34:12
Speaker 2: a year's time, well, the.
34:13
Speaker 9: Inflation goes back up. So electricity is one hundred and
34:17
Speaker 9: it goes to one hundred and ten, but the government
34:18
Speaker 9: gives you a subsidy and says it's only going to
34:20
Speaker 9: cost you one hundred and five. The electricity generator is
34:23
Speaker 9: still getting one hundred and ten, but the CPI says
34:25
Speaker 9: it's only going up to one hundred and five. But
34:27
Speaker 9: in the following year they remove the subsidy. The consumer
34:31
Speaker 9: pays one hundred and ten, and even though the electricity
34:33
Speaker 9: price hasn't changed, the CPI will measure it as an increase.
34:36
Speaker 9: So it's just a mask in terms of inflation. So
34:39
Speaker 9: if you remove the subsity, inflation will go up. So
34:42
Speaker 9: the IBA is said quite clearly they're going to look
34:44
Speaker 9: through it. I mean, this is something economists have understood
34:47
Speaker 9: for decades. These are tricks in terms of the measurement
34:51
Speaker 9: of inflation rather than what's actually out there.
34:54
Speaker 2: So you think the IBA will still have to raise rates,
34:56
Speaker 2: but it might be they might shift it towards the
34:59
Speaker 2: end of the year bonding to some of the public pressure,
35:02
Speaker 2: or maybe it's just not urgent for them.
35:03
Speaker 3: To do it right now.
35:04
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I mean there is a lot of pressure.
35:06
Speaker 9: It's not just this sort of political pressure from political leaders,
35:09
Speaker 9: but they are concerned about their position in the community.
35:11
Speaker 3: Well, thirteen rate rises. It's hurting that, you know, people
35:14
Speaker 3: are having to.
35:15
Speaker 9: Sell their homes, it is, But the reality is is
35:17
Speaker 9: the inflation is what's doing the damage to people's standards
35:21
Speaker 9: are living, particularly the most vulnerable in our community, and
35:23
Speaker 9: it's their job to get rid of it. So it's
35:25
Speaker 9: a judgment call. But I still think that the level
35:28
Speaker 9: of the cash rate is not high enough that we
35:30
Speaker 9: will need to see further rate hikes, and the sooner
35:33
Speaker 9: we do it, the less they'll have to be. So
35:36
Speaker 9: it's really the RBA is really it's a big, big
35:39
Speaker 9: meeting next week. Most people think they're not going to move.
35:42
Speaker 9: I still think that there's a chance they will because
35:44
Speaker 9: I think it's the right thing to do. But I
35:46
Speaker 9: don't think we're out of the woods on rates or
35:48
Speaker 9: inflation by any stretch of the imagination. Just because this
35:50
Speaker 9: numbered the day came in a touch better than expected.
35:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and even the Treasurer says it's sticky and stubborn.
35:56
Speaker 2: Now let's have a look at Rex Airlines. It has
35:59
Speaker 2: gone into voluntary administration. It's already fired three hundred and
36:03
Speaker 2: sixty employees. It's axed their Capital city flights, some jobs,
36:08
Speaker 2: More jobs are on the line, more flights are up
36:11
Speaker 2: for being cut as well. This is really impacting regional communities.
36:16
Speaker 2: Do you think there's anything the government should be doing.
36:19
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, look the process has got to have a
36:22
Speaker 9: look at what can be retrieved. So they've gone into
36:25
Speaker 9: these new routes in the last few years in the
36:27
Speaker 9: capital city routes that hasn't worked. Can they get out
36:29
Speaker 9: of those routes and still have a business the one
36:32
Speaker 9: we know in regional Australia. If they can, great, If not,
36:34
Speaker 9: I think there's a case for the government to provide
36:36
Speaker 9: some support, whether it's the state governments or the federal
36:39
Speaker 9: But this is a crucial service. We know that the
36:42
Speaker 9: airline industry is difficult, and of course rex is a
36:45
Speaker 9: really important service for Australia. So I think there is
36:47
Speaker 9: a case for government as long as it's a transparent
36:50
Speaker 9: process that shows that it can't be saved on its own.
36:53
Speaker 3: All right, Larin Hogan, thank you very much for your time.
36:55
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
36:56
Speaker 10: Thanks V.
36:56
Speaker 3: It's been a big day for you, I know, analyzing
36:58
Speaker 3: all of this data.
37:00
Speaker 2: Returning to our top story, now that Hamas chief Ishmael
37:03
Speaker 2: Haneieir has been killed in Tehran, let's bring in Israeli
37:06
Speaker 2: journalist in New Zanka, Littel Shamesh.
37:09
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your time.
37:12
Speaker 2: Have what response have we heard from Israel over this?
37:15
Speaker 2: Has anyone in the Israeli government taken responsibility for this assassination?
37:23
Speaker 11: Hi, Jerry, thank you so much, first of all for
37:25
Speaker 11: having me so No, at the moment, Israel is not
37:28
Speaker 11: taking responsibility for that assassination. To be honest, I don't
37:32
Speaker 11: think it will in the upcoming a few years. Usually
37:36
Speaker 11: Israel do not take responsibility for any kinds of measures
37:40
Speaker 11: as like that on the soil of Tyran, on the
37:45
Speaker 11: land of Iran. What I can tell you is that
37:48
Speaker 11: Israel took responsibility for taking down one of the heads
37:52
Speaker 11: of Risbela just yesterday in the heart of Beiwut. So
37:58
Speaker 11: to see these two act within less than twelve hours,
38:03
Speaker 11: taking down heads of Isbelah and the number one personality
38:08
Speaker 11: of Hamas is a great, great achievement for the State
38:13
Speaker 11: of Israel. And this whole thing is happening on the
38:16
Speaker 11: same day of the inauguration of the President of Iran,
38:20
Speaker 11: which is sending a clear message to Iran, we will
38:24
Speaker 11: not be afraid to take down your proxies, heads of
38:27
Speaker 11: his Blah, heads of Hamas, and we know how to
38:31
Speaker 11: get to each and single one of them. So it's
38:35
Speaker 11: basically a great success for the Israeli intelligence.
38:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed it is. It's also an embarrassment for te Iran.
38:42
Speaker 2: Is there an expectation that the Iranian leadership will now retaliate.
38:49
Speaker 11: So that's a question that we're all asking ourselves in
38:53
Speaker 11: Israel whether Tyran would want to respond to this act
38:58
Speaker 11: being held on its territory or will Iran will back
39:03
Speaker 11: down because at the moment, Israel is trying to defeat
39:07
Speaker 11: Ramas in the Gaza strip. In the recent few months,
39:10
Speaker 11: Israel has been taken down five of the six top
39:15
Speaker 11: men in Hamas, so including Muhammadef who are Israel took
39:21
Speaker 11: down just last week. So we're talking about getting one
39:27
Speaker 11: step closer to the surrender of Kramas.
39:32
Speaker 2: Do you think the terrorist group is looking weaker by
39:35
Speaker 2: the day. Many international experts have argued that ultimately Hamas
39:39
Speaker 2: can't be killed because it's an extremist ideology and there's
39:44
Speaker 2: so much of that extremism that's infiltrated the Palestinian population.
39:49
Speaker 3: But there has been an effort. Israel says it's targeted or.
39:52
Speaker 2: Killed some thirteen to fifteen thousand Hamas terrorists in Gaza.
39:57
Speaker 2: So is this looking like a more realistic proposition that
40:00
Speaker 2: the terror group could be destroyed?
40:05
Speaker 11: Yeah, So, on one hand, you're right. On one hand,
40:08
Speaker 11: this is a fundamentalist organization. We're talking about an extremist idea,
40:14
Speaker 11: the same as isis calling for the illumination, illumination of
40:18
Speaker 11: the State of Israel and of the Jewish people as
40:21
Speaker 11: a whole. But at the end of the day, Israel
40:24
Speaker 11: cannot allow itself to leave side by side with a
40:27
Speaker 11: tear entity controlling the Gaza strip. And if we're just
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Speaker 11: talking about Ismailhaniah was assassinated yesterday, This man estimated worth
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Speaker 11: is four billion dollars, And I think the entire world
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Speaker 11: should wake up and understand when it's sending aid to Gaza,
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Speaker 11: when it's sending humanitarian aid into the Palacine and Authority,
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Speaker 11: the money goes eventually to the hands of the leaders
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Speaker 11: of RAMAS. Just a few months ago, Australia has declared
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Speaker 11: fifty two million dollars eight into God. And can you
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Speaker 11: verify that this money is not going to the hands
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Speaker 11: off the heads of Ramas who are traveling in private jets,
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Speaker 11: who are slipping in luxurious hotels, And at the end
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Speaker 11: of the day, you don't know if that tax paying
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Speaker 11: money is going to the hands of the leaders corrupted
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Speaker 11: leaders of RAMAS and policine Authority are actually going to
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Speaker 11: help Palesinians. So I think the entire world should gather
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Speaker 11: up to fight this fundamentalist, extremist terr organization that Israel
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Speaker 11: is fighting Tramas alongside with Fisbola and at the end
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Speaker 11: of the day, both of these branches are proxies of Iran.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, such a good point. Ettel really appreciate having you
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Speaker 2: on the show tonight.
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Speaker 3: Thank you now Still to come.
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Speaker 2: Labour's renewable energy plan continues to lose public support as
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Speaker 2: power bills get high, and my panel.
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Speaker 3: Will join me next. Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's bring in tonight's political panel Labor MP Daniel
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Speaker 2: Melino and Coalition MP Andrew Wallace.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both. Look, let's have a look at
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Speaker 3: the issue of.
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Speaker 2: Power bills and how this is playing out amongst Australians.
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Speaker 2: The Daily Telegraph had a Redbridge poll that found that
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Speaker 2: Australians are not buying into Labour's renewable vision. Fifty four
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Speaker 2: percent of voters agreed with the proposition that the government's
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Speaker 2: transition to renewable energy has pushed up power bills. Daniel,
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Speaker 2: it seems Australians are not convinced by Albanese's renewable plan.
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Speaker 10: Well, Sherry, thanks for having me on. Look.
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Speaker 12: I've seen a whole lot of poles on energy over
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Speaker 12: the last few months, and I would say that the
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Speaker 12: balance of the polling suggests that people actually support moving
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Speaker 12: forward with renewables becoming an ever larger share of our
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Speaker 12: energy source, so long as it's firmed appropriately, and I
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Speaker 12: think the government's plan is for that to be gas.
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Speaker 12: I've seen poles, for example, by Essential showing that a
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Speaker 12: strong majority support renewables as the most suitable energy source
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Speaker 12: going forward, that they don't support deferring action for fifteen.
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Speaker 10: Years or more waiting for nuclear.
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Speaker 12: And there are other poles also which point to very
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Speaker 12: similar results. For example a CSIO pole recently. I think
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Speaker 12: what people want is action. The problem with the nuclear
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Speaker 12: approach is that we're going to be kicking the can
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Speaker 12: down the road for at least fifteen years and we
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Speaker 12: just can't afford to do that.
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Speaker 3: Andrew, what do you think.
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Speaker 2: Do you agree with what Daniel just said that people
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Speaker 2: do want renewable action and that they think nuclear energy
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Speaker 2: is to remote proposition.
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Speaker 13: Well, Sharie, not necessarily, No, I don't agree with that
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Speaker 13: because effectively, what we're seeing is Australians are hurting badly.
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Speaker 13: We're seeing more than six hundred Australians each week getting
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Speaker 13: in touch with their energy providers and going onto hardship provisions.
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Speaker 13: The cost of living is continuing to buy. This inflation
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Speaker 13: crisis that we're seeing is home grown and people are
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Speaker 13: hurting badly and what they are seeing is that as
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Speaker 13: opposed to what Anthony Alberanezi said on ninety seven occasions
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Speaker 13: prior to the election, is that he reduce energy prices.
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Speaker 13: What we've actually seen, rather than be reduced, we're seeing
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Speaker 13: them increase by one thousand dollars. So you know, Australians
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Speaker 13: aren't buying this anymore because they know it is hurting
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Speaker 13: them in the back pocket. What they want is cheaper,
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Speaker 13: cleaner and consistent energy. Now we say in the Coalition
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Speaker 13: that we're returned to government that will provide an integrated
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Speaker 13: energy mix and that can be done through certainly through renewables,
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Speaker 13: firmed by gas and then ultimately by a nuclear This
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Speaker 13: folly that Chris Bowen has been on with eighty three
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Speaker 13: percent renewables is driving people's energy prices through the roof.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at Paris now, and there's been
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Speaker 2: a gender row ererupt. It was discovered that two boxers
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Speaker 2: who have been disqualified from the World Championships were then
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Speaker 2: allowed to compete at the Olympics. The fight has failed
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Speaker 2: gender eligibility tests last year, so they weren't deemed to
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Speaker 2: be women last year. But the IOC is now defending
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Speaker 2: the pair, confirming they have both met the criteria to
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Speaker 2: be women to compete at these Olympics.
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Speaker 3: Daniel, what do you make of this?
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Speaker 10: We look.
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Speaker 12: I think we've seen a lot of debates around transgender
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Speaker 12: athletes in sports across a range of different sports over
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Speaker 12: the last ten years or more, and I think they
45:40
Speaker 12: generated a lot of hysteria. And I think what led
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Speaker 12: to more measured and sensible policies was that we went
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Speaker 12: towards a process where the governing bodies for each of
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Speaker 12: the major sports around the world looked at the issue
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Speaker 12: and based upon the particular characteristics of each sport, made
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Speaker 12: decisions about who could participate and who couldn't. And to me,
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Speaker 12: if you look at the kinds of outcomes we saw
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Speaker 12: in swimming and athletics, it seemed to result in sensible,
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Speaker 12: pragmatic outcomes across a whole range of sports, and that,
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Speaker 12: to me, that seemed to be the sensible approach.
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Speaker 10: That we should look at it on a sport by
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Speaker 10: sport basis.
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Speaker 12: What we see here is to me a situation where, look,
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Speaker 12: I don't know all the details of this particular situation,
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Speaker 12: the organizers in Paris seem to be saying that the
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Speaker 12: two athletes have competed in women's categories in a number
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Speaker 12: of competitions in the past, and if that's the case,
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Speaker 12: then it would suggest that a number of competitions have
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Speaker 12: deemed it suitable. So, look, it may be a case
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Speaker 12: that boxing is still grappling with the rules and that
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Speaker 12: perhaps a number of their eligibility rules need to be
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Speaker 12: settled before we get to major competitions.
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Speaker 10: I guess I just reiterate.
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Speaker 12: I think, broadly speaking, I think a sport by sport
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Speaker 12: approach makes sense. Boxing clearly is a relatively high resport,
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Speaker 12: so it just seems a little strange to me that
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Speaker 12: we're still dealing with eligibility issues at such a major event.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, there seems to be a lot of different views.
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Speaker 2: This is going to continue to be a big controversy.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Wallace, The New South Wales and South Australian governments
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Speaker 2: are holding a joint two day summit on the impact
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Speaker 2: of social media on young people. They want to raise
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Speaker 2: the age of the platforms to sixteen.
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Speaker 3: Do you think this should be a federal.
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Speaker 2: Government initiative, to have a national approach instead of just
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Speaker 2: two states.
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Speaker 13: Well, I applaud both Chris Mins and Steven Malanowskis for
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Speaker 13: coming out and talking about this. This is something that
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Speaker 13: I've been banging on for a while and it's something
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Speaker 13: that the Social Media Committee on which I is looking
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Speaker 13: at doing expressly, and that is raising the social media
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Speaker 13: age minimum age to sixteen. The platforms currently have them
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Speaker 13: at thirteen. We know it from a recent UK study
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Speaker 13: that thirty four percent of young people on social media
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Speaker 13: their parents are happy to lie for them to say
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Speaker 13: that they are over thirteen.
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Speaker 10: Which is a great concern.
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Speaker 13: But look, we think that thirteen and even thirteen is
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Speaker 13: far too young for developing minds to be exposed to
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Speaker 13: sort of problems we see in social media.
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Speaker 2: Indeed it is Daniel Melino Andrew Wallace really appreciate your
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Speaker 2: time tonight. Thank you very much, and thanks everyone for
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Speaker 2: your company at home. I'll see you tomorrow at eight.
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Speaker 2: And right now, here's Paul Murray.