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#185 How do you turn a boy into a man? · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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  Speaker 1: What do you got for me?
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  Speaker 2: You didn't want to mention anything about my Yeah, what's it?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You're a bit on edge because it's not happening, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't want to get it wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't because you'll come at me like a diva.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I I tried to look my best in
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  Speaker 2: front of you. I know that what do I get?
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  Speaker 2: I get fucking nothing. You didn't get get nothing. Why
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  Speaker 2: do I bother?
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  Speaker 3: Because I didn't want to be like, oh, a new
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  Speaker 3: haircut and you take it the wrong way. You've done
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  Speaker 3: that before and I do have to dig out some
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  Speaker 3: sort of memory to be like, you get a haircut.
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  Speaker 1: You it was wrong with it.
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  Speaker 2: That is a complete lie. You're lying right now. Don't
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  Speaker 2: lie to me, don't lie to the listener. Welcome back
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  Speaker 2: and do that In Dads, my name is Mady J.
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  Speaker 2: I'm ash the podcast all about parenting. It is the good,
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 1: The bad and the relatable. You've got a hair out
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  Speaker 1: of place.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, for God's sake.
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  Speaker 1: See, So, as I mentioned it.
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  Speaker 2: There is a difference between saying that's a nice haircut and.
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  Speaker 1: You place because you're vigorous. I'm just helping you so
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  Speaker 1: that for the camera, so you.
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  Speaker 2: Look happily, happily attack the hair.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not attacking it, so that's what I mean. You
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  Speaker 1: misunderstand me trying to be helpful with being attacked. It
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  Speaker 1: looks good, So why did you see?
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  Speaker 2: You've set me off? Now?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, give me a look at the back, very very
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  Speaker 3: high and tired, as they say.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, housekeeping you look what do you got?
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful message from two of our listeners, Kiara and Tom,
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  Speaker 3: who are driving around Australia with their baby daughter Millie
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  Speaker 3: love Milly.
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  Speaker 1: For a little little girl's name, little girl. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: You're just taking credit for it. Okay, I like it.
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  Speaker 3: We've just we've just over five months into our lap
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  Speaker 3: around Australia, nearly twenty four thousand kilometers down.
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  Speaker 1: My god, what's that?
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  Speaker 2: What's like what's sitting in Melbourne?
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  Speaker 1: It'd be like nine hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Kilometers mate, twenty four thousand.
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  Speaker 3: Let's run up to one thousand for that one. So
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  Speaker 3: it's like going back and forth twelve times.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, stricken, that is that like a round Australia twice?
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  Speaker 2: What are they doing? They lapping Australia. We're in not
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  Speaker 2: a fourth lap of Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they would be it would be like the
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  Speaker 1: scenic route right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you're going around Australia, I think the only
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  Speaker 2: one way to go.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if they've run into my friends Josh and
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  Speaker 3: Ciang because they're going around Australia as well.
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  Speaker 1: Do you do it clockwise? Do you do it anti clockwise?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's clockwise. I do think you have to
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  Speaker 2: have to care those you'll hit people together. Other way, true,
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  Speaker 2: you'll be on the wrong side of the road.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 3: Finally, caught up on all episodes, all one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: eighty two episodes.
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  Speaker 2: I think we used to sound pretty shit back in
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  Speaker 2: the day. Is can people notice the difference we get
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  Speaker 2: better or we'll be the same the whole way through.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've got more confused with where we're at
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  Speaker 1: an episode.
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  Speaker 2: When we first started, we were so like, the relationship was.
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  Speaker 1: So new good. I mean, anyway, let me finish this
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  Speaker 1: then we can talk about that.
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  Speaker 3: We've been absolutely addicted during every nap time drive doing
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  Speaker 3: it with our eleven month old. She was only six
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  Speaker 3: months when we started. Your chats have kept us laughing
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  Speaker 3: and feeling less alone. Out in the middle of nowhere,
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  Speaker 3: away from our friends and family. We just really felt
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  Speaker 3: the need to say thanks for keeping us company on
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  Speaker 3: the road.
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  Speaker 1: You are welcome. Wow, that's lovely.
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  Speaker 2: That is also that better be in the Apple podcast reviews.
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  Speaker 1: Just copy paste bomar, but a lovely touch. Very It's
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  Speaker 1: nice to get a message over that. It feels good.
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  Speaker 2: Ash. You know, we love a gender reveal. I do
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  Speaker 2: absolutely love it. It's my biggest regret in life is
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  Speaker 2: not doing like more of a gender reveal type activity. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there can be some nice, little simple ones.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's yeah, like you know, the fireworks, Like
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  Speaker 2: I want planes, you know, as they like spray the crops,
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  Speaker 2: but it's spraying blue and everyone that's it's anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want I want something similar. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But there is a gender reveal that I've seen online, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's just it's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: If I can just show you for one second, I
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  Speaker 2: would love to see it. I'm going to show you
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  Speaker 2: the image of the gender reveal and I want you
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  Speaker 2: to see if you can pick what's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: unique about this one?
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  Speaker 1: Great use of words and you spot the problem. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Is it a problem. I don't know, but maybe it's not.
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  Speaker 1: It's two women and a Man's.
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  Speaker 2: Three people in the photo, and they've done the it's
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  Speaker 2: a very traditional gender revealere they've got the confetti, the.
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  Speaker 1: Nice tyme, yeah nice.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, look what I'm seeing is that there's two
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  Speaker 3: people that are pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a throttle.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, it is a throupple. But the throttle
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  Speaker 2: is between a mother, a daughter, and a man who
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  Speaker 2: is not the dad. This man has come into the
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  Speaker 2: to the relationship at a later date and he has
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  Speaker 2: managed to get the mom and the daughter pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, how does that even come about?
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  Speaker 2: And they look happy, they look very happy.
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  Speaker 1: Are we just as a human.
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  Speaker 3: Race at the point now where we're like fuck it?
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  Speaker 3: Because twenty years ago that'd be on Jerry Jerry Springer.
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  Speaker 2: Shit, I think, yeah, it would be. I think maybe
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  Speaker 2: now maybe where the problem with seeing that as being
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  Speaker 2: something that is not right?
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  Speaker 1: To taboo? With that?
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  Speaker 2: You'd say, yeah, I mean, also, is that is it real?
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  Speaker 2: Because mom quite old? The mom looks she's quite to
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  Speaker 2: be able to have a baby at that age, not
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  Speaker 2: to I don't know, she was quite you look quite young.
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  Speaker 1: But like Mike, the confusing part about that.
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  Speaker 2: Is, so wait, what does it make What does the
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  Speaker 2: mom's baby the daughter? But what the relation of the
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  Speaker 2: two babies?
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  Speaker 3: And then how do you have that conversation when they
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  Speaker 3: when they when they're grown up.
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  Speaker 2: Because your brother or sister is then your auntie.
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  Speaker 3: Are they setting these kids up for trauma?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when you're thinking about naming a child and
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  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, don't want to call it like you know, Rachel, Rachel,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like what were I couldn't think of anything
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  Speaker 2: that when you're like, I don't want to give them
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  Speaker 2: anything that puts a target on their back, whereas these
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  Speaker 2: two have like gotten the target enlarged it, tattooed it
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  Speaker 2: on the back and be like there you go, good
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  Speaker 2: luck and put it on social media good luck and
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  Speaker 2: fucking eyes school.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's a mess, isn't it. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a mess. It's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Ash it's beautiful to them to share. It can be
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  Speaker 1: messy though, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Just pregnancy with your mother, beautiful thing. And who are
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  Speaker 2: we to judge if they're consenting adults?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm confused of what they are going to be to
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  Speaker 3: each other. It's beautiful, Okay, I think it's a bit weird.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say it.
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  Speaker 2: Are we endorsing? This wouldn't get that far.
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  Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't say it.
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  Speaker 2: As long as they're happy, they're not hurting anyone. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: we're happy.
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  Speaker 3: Me knocking up April and then just be like you're
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  Speaker 3: next to her mom, like.
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  Speaker 2: You have talked quite highly of her mother. She's a
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  Speaker 2: beautiful woman.
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  Speaker 3: I know she's interested. You're thinking definitely not that look.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bit weird for me. It's all a bit
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  Speaker 3: weird for me. I think I'm not an overly traditional
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  Speaker 3: guy that seems a little bit obscure.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't pick you as being such a prude ash.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not open minded.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm surprised you haven't asked any questions. But Marley
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  Speaker 2: finally had her end of year dance recital.
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  Speaker 1: The dance recital that stopped the nation.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you don't ask about my haircut. You don't
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  Speaker 2: ask at the dance recitals. You talk about the relationship
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  Speaker 2: being good back in the day. All I'm saying is
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  Speaker 2: that you're not putting in much effort.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, okay, I noted, Just how did she go?
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  Speaker 2: Very good?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, give me a rundown of the day.
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  Speaker 2: I was it was a very stressful morning, very stressful
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  Speaker 2: morning because we had to get to the hall that
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  Speaker 2: the halls I got RSL. It was a morning event,
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  Speaker 2: morning event, so we had to get there for nine
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  Speaker 2: point fifteen. What was the weather, Like, it's beautiful weather. Okay, good,
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  Speaker 2: great weather. But it's just as things do in the
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  Speaker 2: mornings when you're dealing with three kids and one of
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  Speaker 2: them is a newborn, everything moves a bit slower. Also, Marley,
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  Speaker 2: I now know I'm putting it down to nerves. But
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  Speaker 2: Marley was like, I don't want to do it. She's like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even like dance. And I was like, that's
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  Speaker 2: really weird. You do like dance and she's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I hate it. I don't want to do this. I
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  Speaker 2: can now realize that it was just she was really nervous.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, as I ask her, like he'll be like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I've got to saw a tummy, I was like, they
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  Speaker 3: are they nervous?
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  Speaker 4: Mate, and like, yeah, forget that they got But I
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  Speaker 4: also think she's such a confident kid that I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: she'll do anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But it was at this RSL. When the RSL
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  Speaker 2: is a theater, it's about five to six hundred people.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard, Wow, I heard. The theater is the home
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  Speaker 2: of the Australian Magic Mic. It's a very well known venue.
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  Speaker 1: Seems inappropriate.
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  Speaker 2: Also the home to the Tiny Tots dance recital twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: The polls in here, Yeah, don't touch anything like this.
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  Speaker 1: One's slippery, sticky. What's all this glitter?
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  Speaker 2: But I always thought leading up to the concert, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, why the fuck are we doing it at
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  Speaker 2: a big old venue. We can just do it at
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  Speaker 2: the school hall, or we can just do it in
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  Speaker 2: the room, just put the parents down one side to
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  Speaker 2: watch the concert. And I was like, that's enough. We're
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  Speaker 2: talking about three five and six year olds. We're over
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  Speaker 2: complicating this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 2: And there was also there was costumes. There was very
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  Speaker 2: particular instructions on how to come arrive with your had
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  Speaker 2: to have a high ponytail, had to have.
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  Speaker 1: Are you sure you said to me that this jiu
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  Speaker 1: jitsu thing is like a cult? Are you sure this
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  Speaker 1: is on a cult? Is you've got rules.
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  Speaker 2: Dance is a cult. I think it is, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: into it. But I we got there. We were a
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  Speaker 2: little bit late, a little bit late, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: couldn't big surprise.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, there's a theme here.
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  Speaker 2: Couldn't get a park, couldn't get a park. And then
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  Speaker 2: I was like, Laura, I'm going to leave you with
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  Speaker 2: Lola and the newborn. I'm going to run Marley in
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  Speaker 2: because we're running late. And Laura's like, well, what ant
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  Speaker 2: I runner? And I was like, because you don't know
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  Speaker 2: the RSL. It's a big venue, You'll get lost. So
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  Speaker 2: we're having the argument the car as like another parent
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  Speaker 2: walked past. We're like, oh, hey, Susan, don't mind us, just.
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  Speaker 1: Follow Susan, just follow Susan in.
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  Speaker 2: But we got there. And also I didn't realize parents
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  Speaker 2: have brought bouquets of flowers?
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  Speaker 1: Is it a wedding? What is going on?
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  Speaker 2: They were? People were like, oh you didn't where's your
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  Speaker 2: bouquet flowers?
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  Speaker 1: Just to throw on the stage afterwards?
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  Speaker 2: Did present not to throw take this?
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  Speaker 3: Throw Perry underpants on there like they did be Tom
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  Speaker 3: Jones back in the day.
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  Speaker 2: So we didn't do that. And then Laura was like
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  Speaker 2: go get a bouquet of flowers, and I'm like, where
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  Speaker 2: am I going to get a bouquet of flowers from
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  Speaker 2: one anzac parade and Sydney there was no willers around. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so I didn't have the bouquet, but Marley was. She
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  Speaker 2: was pretty nervous, pretty nervous, and I did before Molly
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  Speaker 2: went on stage. And by the way, we're out of
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  Speaker 2: housekeeping now. I yelled at the MC.
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  Speaker 1: I heckled the MC, and then we're back in housekeeping.
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  Speaker 2: I heckled the MC because he was a good MC.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give him that. He said, you know, everyone makes
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  Speaker 2: some noise. We're here for the dam recital, and he goes,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to give a special shout out to
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  Speaker 2: the mums who have been up this morning stressing out
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  Speaker 2: over the high ponytail, and I said, what about the dods?
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  Speaker 1: Smart?
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  Speaker 2: And people were like, show the fuck up.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone was like, relaxed, bro, get him out of here.
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  Speaker 1: No flowers. Heckling the MC. That's enough, mate, you're out.
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  Speaker 2: But it was was twenty two performances in total that
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  Speaker 2: we had to sit through.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, whoa wha, wha wha, whoa, whoa whoa twenty two performances.
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  Speaker 2: Because you had acro, you had the conga, you had
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  Speaker 2: like yeah, how many you do one? The second last one?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I know, it's torture, I know.
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  Speaker 2: And some of them were quite cute. There was somewhere
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  Speaker 2: the kids, the three year olds, the curtain opens and
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  Speaker 2: they're all just like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, they're the ones I want to watch because
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  Speaker 3: it's like there's chaos.
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  Speaker 2: And the dance teacher came out at one point to
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  Speaker 2: the three year olds and was like trying to like
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  Speaker 2: trying to get them to like they were on a
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  Speaker 2: straight line, and they kept like like ants, like scattering,
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  Speaker 2: and the dance teachers are coming on trying to put
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  Speaker 2: them back on their straight line, and they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: like that's that entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: It was good, that's good. Yet I think like at
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  Speaker 1: that age, it's it's so.
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  Speaker 3: Funny, like them just bumbling them through it and like
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  Speaker 3: these kids are yeah, and then it's like like get
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  Speaker 3: on stage and look confused.
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  Speaker 2: And then half of them would walk off stage and
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  Speaker 2: it was the set of stairs at the front. Half
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  Speaker 2: they would kind of like kids, it was chaos.
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  Speaker 3: If just spot your parents, just like oh the mom
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  Speaker 3: when Oscar was doing the schools.
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  Speaker 1: Emily. All he did was stare at the seat that
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  Speaker 1: he was.
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  Speaker 3: Sitting in, and I could tell what was going through
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  Speaker 3: his brain was like I can't wait to sit back
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  Speaker 3: in you. But were there any like really like good
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  Speaker 3: three year olds or they all just like one one.
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  Speaker 2: There was a couple you'd like see one little standout
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  Speaker 2: and you'd go, oh gosh, she's like that girl's quite good,
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  Speaker 2: you know. To be fair, the three year olds any
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  Speaker 2: bit of movement, basically a lot of them just stood
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  Speaker 2: there still. I like it scared petrified. I would want
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  Speaker 2: to watch those as all the parents are there going
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  Speaker 2: the audience like it's a lot. You're on stage in
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  Speaker 2: front of like five hundred parents and they're all like
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  Speaker 2: wooing and cheering. It's a lot. But Marlin was great.
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  Speaker 2: Performance was really good.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember what like song or yeah I can
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  Speaker 1: I can buy the song? Oh yeah please? Oh yeah yeah?
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  Speaker 2: A great song that is a good grape so great song.
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  Speaker 2: And the hair. The hair, I was very, very worried
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  Speaker 2: about the hair. He's about half a tin of hairsprays
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  Speaker 2: because the hard thing was with the hair rush trying
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  Speaker 2: to get the fringe. She's got a fringe. To get
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  Speaker 2: the fringe back, I said, you want the fringe out,
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  Speaker 2: fringe in, the fringe up and so to get the fringe.
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  Speaker 2: Luckily it's the high ponytail, so I could get the
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  Speaker 2: fringe in with the rest of the hair. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like brushing so hard. It was like, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: good with the hair.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really not.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a it's a it's like a painting.
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  Speaker 3: But when I do the hair and go out in
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  Speaker 3: public and someone's like, oh, it's really bad because it's terrible.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, see dad's on the hair. I always sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I plo on the bas and that was mum, she's bold. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: how does that make you feel?
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  Speaker 2: My goal on the life is to be able to do
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  Speaker 2: a plat Yeah, that's my goal. What next year?
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  Speaker 1: Dream high?
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  Speaker 2: But then after after the performance the show was over,
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  Speaker 2: they had the big finale, all the kids on stage,
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  Speaker 2: everyone's cheering, and after she came off stage and Marley
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  Speaker 2: was like, that was the best day of my life.
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  Speaker 1: Doorphins.
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  Speaker 2: They were rude humping. She was just like I love
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: this and she wanted to quit. She's like, I don't
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: want to do this anymore. And then after the concert.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: She was like, let's let's do it again.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Can we do it again every Saturday?
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: So where now a dance family?
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: So it was the nerves all because remember I said
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: last week that something's happened that made it not like
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: But I think it was the nerves. If you took
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: away the concert, she probably would have still loved it, right.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: I think, do you know what? She was loving it
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: up until she realized there was going to be the
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: concept there.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: It is like so.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Obvious, so obvious.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: We figured it out, crack the code.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: She's now got auditions for school dance. So we're currently
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: learning it. Wow, for auditions.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Give me a move. That's one of the moves? You
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: got one?
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Two?
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, what do they call it?
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: One three, four, five, six seven eight?
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: That's well one two, three, four, five, six seven eight.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, you are a dance fan. I'm both
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: done dancing with the stars. Hang on with let's just
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: let's just talk this out a little bit. And now
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Bali does dance.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: That's all right.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: So I was really like trying to project that into
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: something way bigger than it was. But yeah, dance family,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: I know you're renowned. You're known for it.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I know they did a part where they invited some
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: of the dads in stage to dance, and I couldn't
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: get picked because I was I was up in the
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: second tier because you.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Waited too long to get tickets.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, think about that. I know that it was good gear.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Actually dad's dancing on stage. It's like a half time entertainment.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: That's it was very good.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: You're not getting me out there, though, No fucking chance you,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: no way. How many beers were I ever had to?
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Is?
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: The RSL pub wasn't even open.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: What that's unbelievable. Good thing we're not doing dance? Ah? Cool? Well,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I'm glad she killed it. So does that mean the
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: dances end for the year?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Still going?
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Just keep going, still going more weeks? Oh?
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Was that it?
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: And they have like an off season. It's the off
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: season dance off season. Yeah, because when the school, the
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: school dance starts next year. Fucking two dances too. I
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: think Lola's going to start dancing anyway.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I can't believe they're in their final term of the
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: first year of school. I can what the fuck heck?
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Where did that go?
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Ash? There is a question that I don't have to
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: ask myself because I don't have a son. Yeah, Bosca,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the question is how do you turn a boy into
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: a man?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Pubot has definitely got something to do with it.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Wipe your hands with it. Puberty will do that.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: The TV will teach him how to do. That's a
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: good question.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I want to get your thoughts. There's a video
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: that I saw online and it's about a dad who's
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: got an approach to parenting which I think is pretty dangerous.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Oh how a watch of this.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: Daughters are way easier really, Yeah, people say otherwise, But like,
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: all I have to do is take care of my
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: daughter and love her and give her things and make
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: her feel like a princess and she's happy. My son,
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: on the other hand, it's harder for me because I
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: can't just nurture him and caught him like that. I
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: have to set him up to be the person that
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: will kill and die for the people he loves. When
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: he's having a sensitive moment or whatever, I have to
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: stop myself from nurturing him and says, man up, young man,
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Oh you fun fell and hurt yourself. Shut up, step crying.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: That's what you have to do with the boy. We're
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: men and that's what we have to do. We have
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: to turn boys into men.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: There's a few things here for me. Firstly, he said, well, you.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Know, we've got to turn boys into men. Okay, you
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: don't do that by suppressing any emotions that they have.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I think, because statistics will tell you how many men
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: try and kill themselves every hour, tempt it and succeed
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: every day, every hour, every month, every week, whatever it is.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Because they weren't given the tools.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: To be able to express their emotions correctly, or not
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: correctly is the wrong word, sorry, express their emotions healthily.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: At all at all. Though, I think his example of
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: his son falling over and him saying, manner, suck it up.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Like you said, there is no strength at all in
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: living in a world where you can't express any emotion.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: You've just got to suppress it, and you just got
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: to bottle it up. And I think the notion that
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: not showing emotion is going to make you more masculine
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and stronger and be more resilient, I think is so counterintuitive.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: If you grow up always being told that any emotion
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that you express, that's like being upset, being sad, being anxious.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: If you're told you can never have those feelings. You're
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: going to have those feelings regardless. It's unavoidable that you're
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: going to go through life, whether you're a man or
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: a woman, you are going to have those emotions. And
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: if you're being told by one of your parents that
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: you cannot have those feelings, when you get to an
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: older age and you do have those feelings, which again
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: is inevitable, you're going to have so much internal shame
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: if you get upset you think I'm not allowed to
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: feel this way. To have this idea that you cannot
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: feel any type of emotions so unhealthy, and it's just
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: bottling it up in a way that it can never
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: get released in a way which is healthy. It's healthy
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: to cry, it's healthy to be angry within reason.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think like you should be building resilience
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: into your kids for sure, but saying man up and
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: get up falling over is not how you would do that.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: See that's for me. It's kind of like, all right,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I want.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: To build resilience in him, but I also want him
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: to be able to be emotionally healthy. Let's put this
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: way right, When when Oscar's older and out in the
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: world and you know, dating or whatever.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I would love. I would love that.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: He's emotionally available for a man or a woman, depending
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: on how. You know what I mean A line in
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: there he said kill for your family. But when he
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: said it, it's kind of like he meant.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: That, you know what I mean?
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: You know, when you're like, oh, i'd die for you guys,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: which I would or I would?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: You know? The only way to be masculine is by
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: by showing violence.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: By showing violence, by showing how fucking strong.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: You are, be more toxic. If you try.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: It can't It can't be good because then what does
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: he do? This little kid grows up thinking I can't
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: show emotions. No other man around me can show emotions.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Only women can show There there again is another toxic
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: thought to think, like, oh, these women are really emotional.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: It's like people are emotional, moron, you know what I mean?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Dude, I'm so thankful that I grew up in a
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: household where my mum didn't just allow, but encouraged any
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: type of emotion. And it's a bit like when Maley
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: was being nervous about her dance. You know, if I
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: was to say to her, you can't be nervous You're
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: not allowed to be nervous, be strong, don't let the
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: nerves come through. You're allowed to feel that way.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Your emotions should be validated totally. Like same thing with
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Oscar yesterday, right for jiu jitsu. He gets nervous every class,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: and I said, you're allowed to be nervous, but you
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: know what, when you finish, then you're gonna be happy.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Imagine if you said to Oscar, men don't get nervous. Yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: if you get nervous, you're not a man. No, that's
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: how fucking dangerous is that?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: But that's previous generations, right, This guy's just continuing this
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: this idea of like men go It's like when someone
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: comments on a man doing something like men used to
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: go to war.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: But I also think his approach to his daughter is
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: also I don't agree with it either, with the idea
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: that in order to raise a daughter that's going to
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: be a woman is all you have to do is
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: just give her exactly what she wants and she's going
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: to be a princess.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because then what is she going to grow up
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: with that mentality and go into the real world where
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: you don't just get what you fucking want?
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah? What resilience a you're building with your daughter, Like,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: it's so detrimental to both genders.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Let's say this, right, in ten years time, ask him
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: the same question when he's got a teenage daughter that
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: he's given everything that she's ever wanted. Right, Let's see
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: what he says.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Then.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Also, you look at the comments in that video. There
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: are so many people who are like he here. I
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: agree absolutely, men should never show emotion unless someone's die,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Like that's the only case where they can sho emotion.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh my fucking god, dude, not to sit
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: here and judge other people and how they parent. But
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I think when it's being done in a way that
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: is so dangerous, you've got to say something.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: You've got to break the cycle of this. Anyway, it's
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: an interesting question because I have been thinking about it
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: a lot, because I mean, my kids are getting to
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: the ay share room.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: They spend a lot of time together.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: You know what siblings are like, nothing ever ends happily,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: They're always playing, and then the only time it ever
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: ends is someone's crying.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Then I go, we should stop this. It's getting bit
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: because someone's going to get someone's going to get hurt.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck about that.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: And I was starting to think about the way that
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: my parent Oscar, especially when he's interacting with Macie, who's
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: a girl, and it led to a lot of.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Anxiety for me of late.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: So I went I booked in to pick up my
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: therapy again, and I had been slack on it because
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I've been busy, which that's no excuse, because I was
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: trying to stop the interaction altogether with each other because
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: I knew where it was.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Going to end up in a tears or I would
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: have to get upset.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Give me an example of an interaction where you I've
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: got to step in here and separate.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: If they're if they're just if they're just engaging in
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: any activity together, just say they're playing snakes and ladders.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Yep, really good example.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: It's all fun and games until one of them is
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: a little bit upset about something that's happened, and then
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: it's like it's it can be you know, teasing.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Or like one's winning more than the other.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: It makes me hit Oscar this morning.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, after they were playing, just hit him and I
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: was like, just keep your hands to yourself. So this
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: was happening and I was getting to the point where
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: I would hear them interact whatsoever, and I'd have this
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: sense of dread.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I recall vividly I was in my room.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: It was early they share a room, and I heard
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: them interacting with something like doing something, and my heart
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: rate was through the roof, like I couldn't work out,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: And I was anxious because I knew what the end
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: result would be, which is someone's gonna cry. I'm gonna
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: have to step in, and it's going to ruin my
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: day already because I'm going to get crank.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And I was just feeling so anxious.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: About it because I heard a couple of times how
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Oscar was talking to Macy and I was like, fuck,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: that sounded like me, and I was like, that's not good.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: He thinks he can talk to her like I can
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: talk to him when he's doing the wrong thing.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: That's what he thinks.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: So it led to me thinking about, like, Okay, well
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: how do I parent this boy? Because he's getting older,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: he's getting you know, he's getting more inquisitive. He's lots
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: of questions and starting to mimic things that he sees.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I want I want to
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: build resilience in him as well as being able to
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: be a good nurturing parent. But then also I don't
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: want him to be scared of me when something goes wrong,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: because then he won't bring things to me when he.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Really needs me the most.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: And I was really struggling mentally with that, with what's
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: right and what's wrong, and it made me think about, like,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: you know, what my dad was like and what his
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: dad was like, and I don't want to shit on
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: my dad and my dad's dad.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Here.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Progressively, through generations, fathers and sons have gotten closer.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: So like I remember when my grandfather.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Died and my dad said to me, I don't remember
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: the last time I hugged my father. That's what he
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: said to me, And he goes, can we not be
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: like that?
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And that's the thing.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Like my dad and his dad they would swap pleasantries
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: and they were it wasn't like they weren't at each
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: other in front of us and stuff like that. But
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I know that Pop would come down so hard on Dad.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: And then when I was sort of growing up growing
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: up in my house, Dad and I were closer than that.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: But also as well, the.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Given opportunity, he would come down on me as hard
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: as he could. And I reflected with my therapist about
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: a situation that happened when I was a teenager, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I was like, Oscar, really hard on myself when I
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: didn't get something right, okay, And I remember I was
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: cooking eggs in the kitchen. This is very basic cooking
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: and I'm a teenager, and obviously the pan was too
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: hot because I'm a teenager, and I got really angry
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: with myself. No one else but my parents heard me
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: from another room, and Dad had a crack at me
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: about it. Right, He had an absolute dig at me
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: about nothing really when I think about it. And Mum
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: had a dig at him, saying, you're just looking for
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: You're just looking for something to have a go at
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: him about that's what you're doing to him.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And I never really thought.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Anything of it until now I've got Oscar, and I'm like,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: am I looking for a reason to discipline a discipline
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: instead of instead of I'm doing what I don't want
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: to do, which is what I want to I want
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: him to respect me, not fear me. And I also
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: don't want to be like my knee jerk reaction here
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: is just to have a dig at you, and like,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: he gets so angry with himself with things, and I
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: physically have to stop myself from getting angry with him
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: being angry. And it was getting to the point where
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I was like, I need to change this.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: But I also think it's the age when you look
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: at like Marley's six, right, and they're at a point
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: now where they are being really independent, so much more
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: than what they were before. Like they can get dressed themselves,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: they can feed themselves, they can make decisions on their own,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and so you're seeing them in a sense that they're
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: little adults. But at the same time, that's six. They
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: are so young.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Oh I know.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing, right this I would get so anxious,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: my heart rate would be so high before anything even happened, right,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: And then my immediate response is to just come down
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: on Oscar.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Why because he just reminds me of my fucking self.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, and I said to my therapist, I said,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: I don't want I don't want to be in a
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: situation where April's got to have a dig at me
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: because I'm trying to find a way to have a
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: dig at my son.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: That's not parenting.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And what did your therapists say, she validated it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what she did.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: She validated it and said, okay, well, next time he's
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: starting to feel like that. The kids are interacting because
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: their kids, they're going to play together. They love each
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: other so much, and Oscar is so good to his sister.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: But she was like, next time you're starting to feel
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: just say to April, I'm starting to feel a little
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: bit anxious, take a deep breath and think about a
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: different way that you can approach it.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Don't just do it. And that would be my reaction, right.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: And I really hit me hard the other day. And
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I know I left you guys a voice message where
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I was joking about Macy's bottom lip, but it fucking
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: hit me like a ton of bricks, men, because I
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: was coming down on something that the way that Macy
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: was talking to her mum, and I've come from the
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: other room flying in instead of coming in and being like, hey, what,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: like why do you why are you talking to your
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: mom like this?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: We don't talk to you like that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: You talk like that, that's rude.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Because I didn't.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: I found myself standing over her and the lip quivered
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: and I had to ease it. Back because I was like,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: this is wrong.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: But also just know that I do that all the time.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I know you're not. It's not an isolated case for
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: yourself to react that way and to let let yourself
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: try and discipline with the knee jerk reaction of being
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: frustrated and when it to come down hard, I think
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: every parent reacts in the same way.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think there's going to be some instances
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: where it's gonna be warranted. And we talk, we joke
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: about a lot here is like why do I have
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: to yell at my kids to get them to listen?
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: And other parents out there listening to this right now
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: know how frustrating that is, because it is. And you
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: get to the point where you're just like, I've got
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: to yell here or nothing's going to happen. But for me,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, that's fine, but I don't want them
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: to fear me. Yeah, there's a really thin line here
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: where I'm like, Okay, where can I be a leader
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: and they can respect what I say? And I say, hey, guys,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: stop it and they go, okay, well that's it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: That's you know.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And where's the line where it's like they hear
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: me coming, and it's like I remember, I remember as
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: a kid, you know you get scared, well.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Did I did hear the cutlery drawer like Russell? And
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: You'd be like, and I wouldn't want to misbehave because
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to get hit with the wooden spoon.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: That's how like I behaved off the back of fear
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: of the repercussions of the trouble.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: And I want I don't want them to just be
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I just don't want them to fear me. Because the
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: look in Macy's eye, and I don't come down on
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: it very often, but she was very rude and I
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: and I there's a better way of me for me
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: to do it, but the look in her eye made
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: me think, I come down on Oscar all like this
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: all the time. What sort of damage is that going
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: to do to him? So I was really wrestling.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: With that that it was.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: It was I was getting anxious and then I was
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: getting depressed with the outcome, yeah, and trying to suppress
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: that again. And it was like, wow, I need to
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: pick up my therapy again because it just and I've
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: spoke to you about this before, it just spirals for
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: me into alcoholic depressive episodes of days and days on
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: end of me trying to just suppress it and act
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: like it didn't happen, and it just got to the
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: point where I remember it was very early in the
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: morning and they started to just talk and I was like,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: it was like a pit in my stomach, my heart,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I was sweating. April was at the gym, and I
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: was like, I can't do this anymore.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: But like, credit to you having the self awareness to
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: be like I am struggling, Like this is something that
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not coping with right now. Because there are some
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: people out there who would just continue parenting in that
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: way of the cycle of wanting to have their kids
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: fear them. I think that is the easiest way to parent,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: but also the least beneficial to grow up to have
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: a really healthy relationship with your kids.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know, like we said, we joke about it,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: and we joke about like I can we're giving advice.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I can be I can be erratic.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: I think, like, look that I'm gonna yell, I'm gonna
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: be erratic, but I need to I need to balance
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: that out with being able to treat Oscar with a
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: little bit more a bit more nurturing.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense, No, it does. Lola, who's four,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: she's probably like the naughtiest, Like Marley, is a bit
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: of a stickler for following the rules. Yeah. And at
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the other morning, Laura was out the door pretty early
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: and Lola woke up. Laura was already gone, and Lola
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: always has like a morning cuddle with Lorda, that's how
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: she starts the day. Because she couldn't have that, It's
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: like a coffee literally, and so she was just so
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: upset the fact that there was no Laura. She didn't
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: get a chance to say goodbye, I didn't have that cuddle.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: So she was just having a tantrum over everything, to
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: the point where I gave her a week bix. She
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: wanted to do the honey but I didn't know that,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: so I poured her honey on the wheat bis and
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: she just was hysterical, crying, like drueling because she was
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: crying so much. I was so close to being like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: this is fucking ridiculous. Yeah, I'm not going to have this.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: You're not going to react. It's we're talking about honey
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: here on your breakfast, and the way that you're reacting
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: is completely silly, because my biggest fear is I don't
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: want her to think that she's allowed to react to
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: that situation, which doesn't warrant how she's behaving. My fear
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: is that if I if I allow her to do
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: it one, then she'll do it. She'll react in the
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: same way to other situations.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like, I know what I can I can
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: know what I can do here, and I can just
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: cry that's it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll melt down and I'll just get what
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I want. So I was My initial reaction was I
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: need to like discipline it because she's behaving in a
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: way which is really silly, and I I'm I'm going
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: to try a different tact to how I would normally
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: parent and just gave her a hug. Yeah, and it's
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: what she needed.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: It's crazy because.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: You don't in that moment you think, like you said,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: You're like, you're like we sort of think that they're
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: way more autonomous than they actually are, and we think
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: way and April said it to me before, she has
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: said you you are putting too much pressure on him.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: He doesn't he doesn't have the regulation, regulatory systems and
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: say with Macy that we have it we just because
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: we just think that they should. And yeah, that the
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: problem here was that I'm not you had that thought.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I wasn't even having that thought, like it was getting worse.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: So it was like, yeah, I needed I needed someone
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: to say to me, Okay, well, why don't you tell
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: me how you're feeling right now and then take what
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: i'd take, take this session out to the world with you,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: and instead of knee jerk reaction to stop whatever's happening,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: just take a deep breath and think about, like, what
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: else could I do here? Maybe I could maybe I
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: could get them to decide themselves of what they should should.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Not be doing.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Is going to pick up on the fact that you
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: change how your parents be, like, ash, what's going on.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: With you doing?
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: But we talk about trying to regulate our emotions. Yeah,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I did have a little moment where I didn't regulate
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: them very well. When have you ever had a situation
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: where you've been riding your ear bike and a car's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: kind of come out at you?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, have you?
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I was leaving my house down and down the road
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: not far from my driveway. It's a little apartment complex
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: and there's often cars are coming going it's a very
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: busy apartment complex. And I had Marley had Lola in
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the back of the eby, like, oh, whenever I see
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: a car that's merging on, like, I always dry pretty slow.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: The e bike is a bit of a like Dad's
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: e bike. You know, Maximum'm going twenty k's an Now.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not that much.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see a car merging on, I'm just pretending
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: like they're not going to be able to see me.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: So I kind of have my hand hovering over the break.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And then as I got closed, I was like, yeah,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: this guy's not going to see me. He's pulled out
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: in front of me. Oh god, and I swear and
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I missed him.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Oh god, a little bit hairy? He was hairy or
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: the situation. The situation good to know, Harry Shoulders.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: There was a bear driving the van. He's like, so
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I stopped in front of him and I, you know,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I did the look over the shoulder and.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: It's the international sign for OI.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and I kind of I went both hands up,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: come on, what's that what's that about?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Hey, what's that about you doing?
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: And he looked at me and what I was expecting
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: was hand up apology. So sorry, and he then gestured
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: me to keep like keep going.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Come on back like this, yeah.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Carry on, get out of here, shoeing me away.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: That's more hand signals I've got from any driver in BONDI,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: if I'm honest.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: We were speaking in sign language here. I was like
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: what about this and he's like yeah, at and I
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: was like I was like what what.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: In my head, I was like, he might as well
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: flip you off?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well do. I was like, hey, buddy, I got
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: two kids on the back. You just pulled out in
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: front of.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Me driving There's a white van. Did he have puppies
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: in there?
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: And I was like, you just pulled down in front
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: of me. Dude, like come on, and he goes fuck off,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: gave me the finger.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Should I have regulated my emotions? Yes? I should? Yes?
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Should I? No?
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I did not?
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: How did this go down?
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: And I was like, are you fucking serious? I was like,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: you're going to flip me off? Mate? I've got a
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: four and a six year old on the back of
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: my bike. You're not even paying attention to the road.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: You pulled out in front of me. You pulled out
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: in front of me without saying sorry. You're telling me
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: to then fuck off? Are you kidding? And he was like, mate, Jesus,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: move on, mate, there's nothing in it. What are you doing?
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: And I was like I was feerie.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: And I was like, learn how to fucking drive power
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: and he was like all right, oh mate, yeah, good one,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: good one. The kids were kind of like what do
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: we do?
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Dad?
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Is everything okay? And he then just like sped off
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: going past me, and I was like, oh, get you.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: And I was so angry. And then I look up
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: to my left. Oh no, my neighbor, the family down
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: the road walking with their prayan, and I was like, hid.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: How many f bunds did you drop in there?
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Though?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I love three?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it was three.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Look, I don't mind that.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: I was serious, yeah, and I was warranted. Again, did
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: you explain to the girls that she washed the limit?
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I think Hannah across the road was like, he almost
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: hit you, and I was like, thank you always did?
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I think your reaction is fine. I would
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: have flicked rong gosh, smashing windows and.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: The kids were like, what was that about, Daddy, and
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I was like nothing, nothing, we're late for school.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's rude. But I look, I probably would.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Have reacted the same way as a lot of like
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: it's hard to I wish you, wish you're with me.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just what he said.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ash, it's my favorite time of the year because summer,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: because summer and summertime in Australia brings what.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: The heat very good, very good.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I see what I'm doing.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to avoid not I.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Know you you. I feel like you are one of
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: the later comers to the Christmas spirit. Yes, it takes
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: a while. You're like a big old machine that we
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: have to wind up. It's like it does take me
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: a lot to get in the spirit, and we get
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: there and like eventually a lot Christmas Christmas Eve, like
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: finally we got him there. He's like full to the
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: room with Christmas spirit and then it's time for Christmas.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: But I I peak early.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: You are very she has said that to me before.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: You do love Christmas.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Easter too.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I do like Easter, but for me it's a close one.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Halloween is great. But Christmas, I mean it's hard to beat.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: It is hard to beat. What's not to love except
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: go on? When you have a Christmas.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Fail Oh, I love that. See that part of Christmas?
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Anything awkward I'm all about.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Are you the Christmas Grinch?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Now we did ask people on socials for their Christmas fails,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: chaos stories, anything that happened.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: That's somewhat funny to him because I think people go
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: into Christmas with great intentions. No one plans to have
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: a fail. No, I'm aware of not there's a diabolical
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: but I think when you're juggling multiple family members, when
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: you're you're juggling multiple dishes as well, and especially with
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: the Australian summer, the heat adds to the stress of it,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: all mistakes abound to happen. It's unavoidable. Yes, Ash, I
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: can't help. But notice you are currently eating a gingerbread
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: men that has no arms, has one leg.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's from Aldi. It's delicious, hence only one leg.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Let Look, I guess I guess you could say, go on,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: it's Christmas, treat yourself.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: That's going to be my motto this year.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Anything do it, don't hold back from Audi and a
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: shout out to AUDI because they are actually sponsoring this
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: segment matter.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: That's why I've got this delicious food.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Ash.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: It's time for Christmas.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Fils Nadina has written in and she says her Chris
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: was fail that she described as a true disaster. Go on,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: everyone sat down for Christmas lunch. My uncle. It's always
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: the uncle.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I know it is. It's so much easier to blame
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: the uncle too.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: My uncle popped the cork of the champagne, hit the
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: fluoro light above the table and smashed it, covering every
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: single plate of food in smashed glass.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: And those things explode to the fluorescent lights, shit everywhere.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: What do you do there? Do you just just eat it?
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Well, you can't surely know there's gonna be some sort
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: of chemical in it.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Oh no, there's more.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: All they could do was make sandwiches for Christmas lunch,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: ah sty with whatever was left over in the kitchen.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Oh so sad.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Imagine the uncle, Sorry, guys.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: And you'd feel horrible.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: You might cheese sandwich because.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Usually what would happen with families, right, correct me if
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong, outside of family coming in together to break together.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: That will will bring a dish, or that you're in
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: charge of the meat.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: You're in charge of that, and all of a sudden,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Uncle Bob, who's rang nothing He's.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, everyone married Christians.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And he didn't even buy the champagne. He was like,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: let's get this party started.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I'll see myself out.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I would never go back. He's not invited next year. Apparently.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: That mine's from Alice. Alice writes it was our dog,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Alan Rickman's.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: That sounds like such a movie name.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Who gives the dog a last name, like a prominent
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: last name.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Name?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: This one on that because that's funny.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Nathan Christiensen.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: It was our dog, Alan Rickman's first Christmas with us,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: and we were at my parents' house. They were having
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: thirty or so people over for Christmas. That's too many,
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: thirty or so people over for Christmas morning breakfast what
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: and had brought seven packets of around thirty croissants the
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: day before.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Oh no, We left the dog.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Alone in the house for an hour in the afternoon
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: of Christmas Eve, Alan not Alan Rickman, and he proceeded
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: to get into all of the croissants.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: He ate every single one and then nukets seven packets.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: It's dog alive.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: That's gonna be a world record.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: He ate every single one of them, and then to
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: follow up, took a giant poo under the Christmas tree.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: On top of all the presents. It also only seemed
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: to be on my dad's presence, which was amazing.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: But.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Needless to say, he was kept outside for literally shitting
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: all over Christmas. And there's a really sad it's a
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Jack Russell too. Can just imagine that it's not even
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: a big dog thirty chryssans. Yeah, wow, did he at
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: least heat them up before he had it?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I'm far out that is.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: That makes me feel so much better about the Christmas
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: fails that I've had. Oh, for God's sake, what are
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: you eating now? Okay? Okay?
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Apple stolen and gingerbread?
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: Man?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Apple? What sorry?
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Stolen from? Who? Very good? From? Aldi? Good? Different?
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: This is the last one? Okay, jess right. A few
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: years ago, my mother in law told everyone that we
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: were doing Chris Kringle. However, she told everyone that they
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: had her in the Chris Kringle. So Christmas Day she
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: opens presents from everyone and no one else gets a
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: single present. Her excuse was that the mother should be
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: spoiled on Christmas.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: That's psychotic. Evil is evil?
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Fuck you all.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I low key like that, though, I think, like, wow,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: at what point, surely.
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  Speaker 3: Because you know how you're like, you're not meant to
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  Speaker 3: tell anyone who you got, but you do anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I was like who you got and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not telling her. It's like we're married, you have
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  Speaker 1: to tell me. It's like, oh god, I got your mum.
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  Speaker 3: Surely they worked out and be like I know I've
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  Speaker 3: got her too, and then she's got every bresent.
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  Speaker 2: It's genius.
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  Speaker 1: It is genius.
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  Speaker 2: It's genius.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's good gear. Also good gear.
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  Speaker 2: This food you at the Stolens. If you have a
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  Speaker 1: Go on it's Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you're going to say the email address hello.
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  Speaker 1: Hello at two Doting Dads dot com on it's Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: I have.
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  Speaker 3: I've enjoyed it, then you can please leave.
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  Speaker 1: Matt. Oh well, I'll let you do the begging.
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  Speaker 2: Please the love of God.
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  Speaker 1: You try all different types of bing.
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  Speaker 2: How can I approach this one? I look, I would
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  Speaker 2: I'll play this one like a bit like a nonchalant Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say that word. I was. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how to say that word properly. Nonchalant, non I've
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  Speaker 2: been A review would be good. I guess if you want,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to. If you want, I might read it.
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  Speaker 2: If it's there, you don't have to. I mean five
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  Speaker 1: Whatever. How was that? That's good? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's it.
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  Speaker 1: That's it for now everything. Let's get out of here.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry, Bye bye bye. Two Doting Dads podcast
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