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#231 - For Azeroth!: “Don’t be a Trash Badger” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of for Azeroth.
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  I am Olivia and joining me as always the wonderful Manny
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  Manny. How is the World of Warcraft?
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  Been treating you this week so we are now at the tail end of
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  the expansion season for has kind of run its course, but a
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  nice little twist with the raid after the entire enzyme Ox
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  Invitational. T run.
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  We gain the ability to use two of these affixes or power and
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  fusions per encounter. And I and my team like jumped
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  into that. That was really great.
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  We got to clear through everything within a night for
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  Heroic. And this week we got to step
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  into Mythic and it's this is the first time starting Mythic with
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  the team and oh, I feel absolutely that.
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  I need to put in more work because At the item level of
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  292. I am probably one of the lowest
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  item levels in the team. I haven't been pushing Mythic
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  plus as much as I should to get that three or four gear.
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  So I did a bit of that this week as well as going through but I
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  held my own at times when I was doing the rating and didn't feel
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  I was the worst but clearly not doing the prep work.
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  Is something that I wish I. Had spent more time doing.
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  So there's that of course being playing a bit more on the beta
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  and playing around with that enjoying things there.
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  And of course, the ever going Mount hunt, I have been
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  concentrating on you know because Wrath of the Lich King
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  is in everybody's mind. I've been going up to the Argent
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  tournament grounds and doing those dailies in order to get
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  the mounts that I never got back in the day.
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  So, Yeah there's me there's been a lot of wow on a bunch of
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  different fronts. I've actually been using my
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  unusual collection of alts that I don't normally have to go do
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  old-world content and try and work on the mounts there and
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  then of course, I've been trying to secure and get some stuff
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  done for just general content creation.
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  So between all of that will World of Warcraft has been
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  pretty full-on. And then my day-to-day life has
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  been a lot the same as well. What about you?
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  Well, the final preparations for Wrath of the Lich King, Classic
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  launching are almost done earlier this week.
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  I got I got my my nether Drake, the first of many nether
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  Drake's. I'm going to get eventually,
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  like I plan on like, get on. Shaman getting all of the, the
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  Drakes, but like I need to, I need to conserve gold right now
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  so they can do profession stuff. And speaking of professions, I'm
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  almost done with. With both my characters,
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  preparing their professions for, for Wrath of the Lich King.
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  I got Alchemy leveled, I got jewelcrafting leveled, both of
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  those are on my on my Shaman, ready to go day one, I'm going
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  to be able to jump in and and start leveling.
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  Laying those alongside, you know, doing the actual like
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  character leveling through the expansion content.
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  And then the last thing that I have to do, is to level
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  herbalism, I got mining on my druid and I need to go back back
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  into the old world again and do some, do some herbalism so that
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  I can, you know, make sure that I'm able to generate some
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  resources and not have to go like rely on the auction house.
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  Because for the first like couple of weeks of every
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  expansion, like every all the new materials that are coming
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  with the new expansion, they're all like crazy marked up because
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  they're brand new and people can get away with you know,
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  exceedingly high prices on all those all those materials.
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  So just having a way to get in generate resources for myself
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  without too much you know too much input, utterly fantastic.
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  So that's the last thing that I have to do is, is finished
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  leveling herbalism and that's, that's it.
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  That's all that I really have left to do.
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  And I'm planning on doing that this weekend, because the day
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  that this episode's gonna air is the day that the expansion comes
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  out. So if you're listening to this,
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  I'm probably very much Deep In The Weeds of either the borean
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  tundra or howling Fjord or both, or maybe I've made it all the
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  way. To one of the next zones beyond
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  that. And I'm well on my way to level
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  80. So those of you that are going
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  to be jumping into classic, I hope you have a wonderful lunch
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  and maybe if you're if you're on Peggle, I'll see you there.
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  Who knows? But yeah that's that's really
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  been my into actually. No, that's not my entire weekend
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  while Because I went through and have been convinced by friends
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  of ours, Friends of the show to go and actually do the raids, do
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  the faded raids and get my slime Kitty.
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  So I'm now two of three of the raids completed towards getting
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  my slime Kitty. And hopefully, hopefully next
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  week. I'll just have it.
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  And I won't have to worry about it anymore.
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  Yeah. It's a nice little, nice.
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  Little cat to have. And yes, it did.
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  I don't think it's that much for many players to complete those
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  raids on normal. Especially since the affixes,
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  actually, I feel make the fights easier than when they were
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  current. Yeah.
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  For sure. For sure, like, going through
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  like, I was kind of dreading it because I was like, oh well,
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  there everything's got increased Health.
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  Everything's got like increased damage, like even on normal.
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  Like I'm still Like still in raid gear from the previous
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  tier. Like I don't want to like go do
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  by think plus I don't want to do any of that.
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  I don't want to like sink too much time into getting a
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  character ready to raid for season 4 because it's, it's not
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  my priority. But You know, I'm happy, I'm
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  happy that I did in that I got in and did it, because it was
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  way easier than I thought it was gonna be.
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  And having having a red team that's been, you know doing the
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  weekly clears of this content also helps tremendously.
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  So Fantastic. Fantastic time all around but
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  yeah. Real quick.
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  Before we jump into the meat and potatoes of this episode, we
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  have a little bit of an update for patreon.
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  And if you enjoy the content, we produce consider becoming a
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  patron at patreon /. Faz So getting into it, speaking
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  of Wrath as I was at the in the intro there there are quite a
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  few pretty Monumental changes that have been made to wrath
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  classic. Days before the, the actual
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  expansion launches. So they've done.
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  They've done some some interesting things.
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  The first couple of things we're going to talk about are things
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  that they've done, right ahead of the, the launch of the
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  expansion. And then, there's another thing
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  that is going to happen at the beginning of phase 2 or with
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  Phase 2. I should say.
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  So, that'll be after the launch, but it is a pretty big shift and
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  it's something that we've And of talked about here on the show
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  before. So, first things first, they
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  they made a couple of changes. The first one being that Rome,
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  first achievements will be unavailable for 24 hours, after
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  player character transfers, using the free transfers from
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  the overpopulated Rome's to the to the lower pop ones that
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  they've turned on, and this is a change from 60 days down to 24
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  hours. So this was a change that was
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  made to address concerns that the players had coming from
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  these like, very overpopulated Realms that if they took these
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  transfers, that they wouldn't be able to go for these Rome first
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  achievements. So they have, they have fixed
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  that they have made it to where the people, that do take these,
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  these transfers are still going to be able to participate in the
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  in the room first race. If you are one of these people
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  and you're listening to this show, make sure that you get the
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  ROM transferred done before the launch of the expansion so that
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  you're not going to be penalized by this.
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  Because if you wait until until Monday or Tuesday to do the
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  transfer, you're gonna have a bad time.
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  Everyone's going to have a head start on you, it's in, you're
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  probably not going to make it so keep that in mind.
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  Another change that they've made is actually a change to one of
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  the raids that is going to be at available at the beginning of
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  the expansion. So sorry Therian.
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  They're changing the, the health increase per Dragon that's up.
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  So they have changed it to where the first or having one.
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  Dragon up gives a 25% Health increase, two dragons, gives 45%
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  in six or three dragons. Give 65% From 25%.
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  So they this was like the post Nerf change that they made to
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  serve Therrien. To make it a little bit easier
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  for guilds to go in towards like the later end of the expansion
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  for for Raiders that wanted to go in and do the three dragon
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  event to farm them out. They made that change to make it
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  a little bit easier. They have reverted that change
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  because it initially whenever they had turned on the ETA
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  servers and started retesting it was in that nerfed state and
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  they have reverted it to its original health health pools.
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  So now their challenges is going to actually be there and they
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  made the change because they noticed in the beta the red
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  team's that we're going in, were able to just like completely
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  ignore the mechanics and just Zerg the boss Down super fast
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  and not really, not really have to interact with anything
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  outside of just Just standing still and dpsing, the boss.
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  So that change has been made as which should be, should be a
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  very welcome change to most Raiders in.
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  That are going in that want a little bit of a challenge with
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  these. I'm personally in favor of it,
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  I'm sure that there will be people that aren't in favor of
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  the change, but the change has been made.
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  So we can't really can't really do much about that other than
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  just just do the fight. It's still, it's still like
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  relatively relatively easy. It's just, you have to actually
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  do the mechanics. Now instead of just searching
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  the bus down, the last change that was made.
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  That was hot fixed in right before the right before the
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  expansions coming out is that they've changed?
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  How raid instance lockouts work kind of.
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  So, it's just the only thing that was changed was the, the
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  instance limit. The hourly instance, They have
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  now included raids in that five instance per hour limit.
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  So this was a change that was made to keep people from from
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  entering residences that they've entered at least once within an
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  hour up to five times. So, this was, this was done
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  primarily to primarily to curb. Roads going in and pick
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  pocketing all the enemies in the beginning of a raid before the
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  first bus, and then exiting, resetting the instance and doing
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  that like, multiple times per hour, which was a huge problem.
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  Because that was one of the primary ways that Bots were able
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  to get in and generate insane amount of gold just because I
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  could have Rogues go in, do the pickpocketing rounds come out
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  reset and do that like I don't want to, I don't know exactly
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  how many times per hour they were able to do that, but it
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  definitely was like, yeah, definitely, definitely more than
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  five. So they've curb that and that
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  that is in direct response to that kind of activity.
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  And there has been some concern raised for for rep grinding
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  groups, like in ICC, whenever that comes out, one of the most
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  popular activities in the first sight.
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  Couple of weeks is going to be rep grind.
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  It's going to People getting in trying to get their ass and
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  verdict reputation up because the rings that that you get for
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  free for getting that reputation.
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  Kind of kind of similar to care is an with the, the Kirin Tor
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  rings and TBC classic the, the rings that you get from the
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  Ashen. Verdict are some of the most
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  powerful Rings. Most, if not all classes are
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  going to have the, the top end ring the exalted Reward ring
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  from the Ashen. Verdict is going to be part of
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  your Biz list, so it is going to be one of those things that's
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  just like vitally important to everyone.
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  And even if it isn't in like your final best list, it is
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  definitely like a very powerful thing to have because it is a
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  ring that like you're probably not going to replace for a
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  while. If it isn't part of your best
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  list because it is, it is again, just so powerful.
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  So there was a little bit concerned, That.
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  Personally, I don't think it's really going to affect those
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  groups in particular because the main the main way that you do
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  those groups is if you've ever been into icecrown, Citadel the
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  very beginning of the instance, you go into the bowl work and
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  then there's just a straight shot hallway with tons and tons,
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  and tons and tons of enemies through that hallway.
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  All the way to the first boss. And it takes is going to take
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  seasoned groups, not any time at all.
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  To clear that out and get all the reputation they can out of
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  out of those instances. But there are, there are some
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  groups that like like to go in and they would just go and farm
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  like the first couple of couple of groups and then go out and
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  reset and do that a whole bunch. So it's going to just shift how
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  those rep grind groups work and how they how they approach the
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  rep grind. They're going to try to get more
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  out of each one individually as opposed to, just like going and
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  doing the easy trash right at the, at the start over and over
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  again, because there are traps throughout that whole way that
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  if you step on them. If anyone in your red steps on
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  them they trigger these giant like behemoths that like
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  activate out of the wall and start chasing the red team down
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  and they're quite painful to deal with if you haven't there.
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  If you're not familiar with how to To deal with them.
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  So it is it is going to be something that that people.
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  I have to take into consideration now, as to how
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  they want to run their rep grind teams.
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  But personally, I don't think it's going to be too big of a
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  deal. I think it's just going to be a
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  matter of learning how to how to be as efficient as we can.
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  With the enemies that are throughout that entire hallway.
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  And going from there. So, the other major thing And
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  this is something that we touched on touched on previously
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  on the show. Is that they are definitely 100%
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  going to be doing heroic plus is kind of the I don't think that
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  that anyone internally at blizzard has used that name.
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  I think. I think that's just kind of
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  like, the term that's been thrown around.
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  I don't think it has an official name yet at this point.
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  But essentially, the, the idea for it is that it will be a way
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  for Heroic dungeons to remain relevant.
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  Throughout the expansion's life cycle Beyond, just being
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  something that you go do to get your daily heroic badges or like
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  any of the, like a badge incentives that we have to go to
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  go, run dungeons. Heroic and specifically.
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  So what is going to happen with this?
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  Is that at the start of season 2 they're not seasoned to talking
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  in terms of retail instead of classic here and the start of
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  phase two which is the the phase in which older wire is
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  introduced. They're going to be turning on
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  heroic plus 4 all heroic dungeons that are available at
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  that point. So in order to turn on heroic
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  plus mode, all five players will find a ritual object in front of
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  the instance all five of them will need to channel it for a
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  short time and channeling that object will turn on heroic plus
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  which will increase all enemies. Damage health and also grant
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  them additional combat effects noted that they won't be
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  terribly difficult to deal with. It'll just be something that's a
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  little bit extra to deal with with the with the trash.
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  And we don't know if that also extends to the bosses, if the
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  bosses are getting additional mechanics, we're not entirely
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  certain on that. They were kind of very vague as
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  to what what these effects are, what they're going to kind of be
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  I would imagine as we get closer to PTR for phase two.
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  That will start to see what that's actually going to look
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  like and I'm very excited for it but that's not that's not the
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  only thing that happens with this.
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  So when a dungeon is turned on to heroic plus mode the loot for
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  that dungeon Is going to be going to be the traditional in
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  Dungeon like that you can get. And also the 10-man raid gear
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  from naxxramas the malygos fight and the South Aryan fight.
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  So all of the loot from Tin Man in those three raids is going to
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  be added to the loot tables for all the bosses in heroic Plus So
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  if the Tin Man, loot is moving from Tin Man.
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  Two heroic. What does that mean for the
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  10-man raids? Well, glad you asked the 25
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  player loot is then moving to Tin Man.
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  And then you might also, ask yourself what happens to 25,
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  man, loot. Glad you asked, it's staying the
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  same. With the exception of they're
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  injecting, additional loot into the loot tables for 25-man
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  specifically. So, each boss will have a round
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  one piece of loot, added to their loot table in 25-man mode,
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  so that there is still kind of an incentive to go in and Keep
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  doing 25 man. We don't know what these pieces
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  are going to look like again. This is all stuff that it's like
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  they're talking about this stuff.
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  They're obviously like trying to Hype up the idea of what they're
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  doing with the system but it is Stuff that we're not going to
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  see details about until they start putting face to up on the
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  PTR, but it's still still, you know, very exciting, very
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  exciting to to see that they're doing something to keep to keep,
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  you know? Just to keep the game kind of
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  fresh to keep the the daily day-to-day activities in Wrath
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  classic relevant throughout the life cycle of the expansion.
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  They did note that this is something that they're doing for
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  phase two. And they're going to kind of
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  gauge how it works out and how like players react to it and
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  like, what the general Vibe of it is before deciding if they
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  Want to carry this on Beyond into phase three and four and
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  five. I think I think there's only
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  five phases. But throughout the wars Phase 2,
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  then all the way, at least you that Crusader, whether it's
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  trial, Vic Grand Crusade, or just travel a crusader.
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  That's going to be Faith. Three ICC would be phase 4 and
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  then everybody sanctum is a phase of its own, which I
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  sincerely doubt that would be faced five, right?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah, it's either going to be faced five or it's just going to
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  be. It's just going to be like they
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  just turn it on one because there was the that was the only
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  thing that was added in that patch was the was start fearing
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  or massive, Aryan Ruby Sanctum. so so yeah, it's still Good.
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  Good to see that. They're they're looking to keep
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  things fresh for at least for Heroic dungeons.
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  Because that like when I think, when I think back to my time in
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  Wrath original Wrath of the Lich King, the vast majority of my
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  time was spent just running, heroic dungeons over and over
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  again with my friends and I thoroughly enjoy those dungeons.
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  and, Getting getting extra loot. Getting an extra way to gear up
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  a to gear up a character because I'm pretty sure at that point.
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  Like my shamans going to be geared to the teeth through
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  through 25-man, versions of all those raids and all the wires
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  going to be coming out and jumping into that, and getting
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  the gear out of there. So using or being able to use
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  these the heroic, or the heroic Plus To gear alts is going to be
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  fantastic. Although I have like, very few
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  intention of, actually, like playing alt, it's still, it's
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  still fun to be able to, like, get in and play around with
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  different classes and and just kind of just kind of have fun
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  with it. Because that's, that's what
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  that's what it's there for, right?
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  This to me seems a lot like Mythic plus and how it applies
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  to dungeons adding an additional difficulty, and then getting
• 25:42
  better Rewards. And then rerunning the dungeon
• 25:45
  because you've got an increased loot pool because they're not
• 25:48
  just replacing the loot, that's in the dungeons with the 10-man
• 25:52
  stuff is getting added into it. So it's diluting the loot and
• 25:56
  therefore you want to run it over and over again in order to
• 25:59
  try and get that good loot. So it feels like a lot of the
• 26:02
  same issues. That you had with Mythic plus.
• 26:07
  So I'm actually surprised that you are also happy to hear about
• 26:10
  this. So there there is There is an
• 26:20
  element of it that like, I wish. I wish that the implementation
• 26:29
  of this was that they would be replacing the loot tables for 25
• 26:35
  man, like just taking the loot from the Tin Man raids and
• 26:38
  dispersing it throughout the heroic Dungeons and having that
• 26:42
  just be how it's handled and like having heroic.
• 26:47
  Be its own separate loot table, that has the original gear for
• 26:52
  for the heroic dungeons, for people that want to go back and
• 26:54
  get it. There is part of me that wants
• 26:58
  that separation and wants it to be a very like deterministic
• 27:02
  thing. But the reason that I'm okay
• 27:06
  with it is that this system doesn't scale, it is just a flat
• 27:10
  difficulty increase, it is like Mythic 0.
• 27:13
  There is no, no upward scalability for it, there is no
• 27:18
  like Beyond just the just turning on the mode and running
• 27:24
  the dungeon that way. Additionally, it is still more
• 27:30
  efficient to go and do the raids to get the 25-man loot out of 10
• 27:35
  man or to get the 25-man loot out of 25 man.
• 27:39
  It's still more efficient to go do that than it is to just like
• 27:42
  turn these dungeons out. The main thing that they're
• 27:47
  looking to do with this is to be able to offer a way for players
• 27:53
  coming in later and 44. People wanting to gear alts to
• 28:00
  be able to have a way to go in outside of a regularly,
• 28:05
  scheduled raid. to be able to have a chance at getting like
• 28:10
  slightly better than just the regular heroic gear, although,
• 28:18
  like totally totally, just need the the heroic gear itself in
• 28:23
  order to be able to be viable and in raids, 100% Like the the
• 28:31
  raid gear itself. Is is better.
• 28:35
  Don't get me wrong. It is better.
• 28:37
  Your best in slot list. Definitely is all drained coming
• 28:40
  or gear coming from the raid. But you're still like the
• 28:49
  increase in. Like your throughput isn't as
• 28:52
  radical and it definitely isn't as radically different between
• 28:58
  the the gear that you have coming out of out of just the
• 29:02
  heroic dungeons into the raids. So it's not, it's not really
• 29:11
  that pressing and I don't think it's gonna be that pressing that
• 29:14
  People just turn these dungeons out over and over again, it is
• 29:18
  just basically a ketchup mechanic is is all that it
• 29:23
  really is. It's not, it's not like a
• 29:25
  primary mode of play like Mythic pluses.
• 29:28
  Okay. Well, is there any other
• 29:31
  elements that you wanted to cover in ahead of the launch of
• 29:37
  Wrath classic? No, I don't think so.
• 29:41
  I think I think that it's just going to be it's going to be a
• 29:48
  fun time and all the changes. All the changes that we've seen
• 29:52
  so far, I'm very much in favor of and I hope this system ends
• 29:58
  up working out the the heroic plus system.
• 30:01
  Hope it. I hope it ends up working out
• 30:02
  because that is that is going to be something that is Going to be
• 30:09
  beneficial to a lot of, a lot of players going through,
• 30:13
  especially, especially those that are gonna come in later on
• 30:19
  in the expansion cycle and, and those of us that want to have
• 30:24
  want to have an RV V. I know several people in my
• 30:27
  guild in Wrath classic that are ecstatic about the idea of not
• 30:33
  having to go into a raid and have access to raid gear.
• 30:38
  So It's still still going to be pretty fantastic.
• 30:44
  Okay. Well, that stall starts for you
• 30:47
  this coming week as you've leveled through classic as
• 30:52
  you've level through BC and of course, all of the various
• 30:56
  retails. How long does it usually take
• 30:57
  you to level up your first character couple of days?
• 31:02
  Like, I think I think the longest it's taken me at the
• 31:05
  beginning of an expansion to level up is like 45 days, maybe,
• 31:11
  And I'm expecting similar results with this one.
• 31:18
  The only thing, the only thing that my red team is asked is
• 31:21
  that I have my, my character level capped before we go into
• 31:25
  the first race. That's that's like the the
• 31:29
  Baseline. Just get capped, get a couple of
• 31:32
  people, your get a couple of heroic done dungeon runs in and
• 31:37
  and That's it, that's all that's all they're asking.
• 31:43
  So it's just going to be just going to be, you know, get in do
• 31:47
  as much as I can in those first couple of weeks for the raids
• 31:50
  open and Have fun. Remind me again, when does the
• 31:56
  first reads open I think I think the first raid opens a week
• 32:01
  after I think it's the I think it's October.
• 32:08
  October, it's either the 4th of the 11th.
• 32:14
  Fourth would mean that you have like one week before, I mean
• 32:17
  like you get the Monday but yet you get one week plus a day
• 32:20
  before the raids open the 11th would be two weeks.
• 32:25
  So-so. The Raid opens October 6th.
• 32:33
  So it's not even not even on a Tuesday.
• 32:36
  It's yeah, it's on a Thursday is when necks and I have eternity
• 32:39
  and obsidium sanctum open up. So we'll have, we'll have just
• 32:45
  over one week to get to get raid ready, which doesn't require a
• 32:51
  whole lot going into next Ramos. I mean, if you recall at the
• 32:56
  launch of BC, they were some teams that were going with
• 32:59
  people who weren't even at level cap to defeat these raids.
• 33:03
  So not sure if the same will be true for Wrath of the Lich King
• 33:07
  but I still think for us mere mortal players being a capped
• 33:12
  would be invaluable. Yeah.
• 33:14
  Well and the main difference there is that the raids were
• 33:16
  opened a one on in TV. See.
• 33:20
  Just the same way that they were back in the day, the this This
• 33:23
  change is a shift from how they've handled the raids in in
• 33:28
  classic because like, like, it didn't really matter, no one was
• 33:32
  getting. No one was getting the raids in
• 33:34
  vanilla classic down day one. There's too much leveling to do.
• 33:38
  No one was getting to level 60 in or even close to level 60 in
• 33:42
  the first day or two. At least not not enough players
• 33:48
  to constitute a entire 40 Man raid but TBC was a different
• 33:55
  story in that they had the raids open from the outset.
• 33:58
  You could just jump in, get get his level just you could.
• 34:01
  And these red teams were very well coordinated, very well put
• 34:04
  together and were able to get the bosses down within the first
• 34:07
  24 hours of the expansion going live, which was insane.
• 34:12
  But this is that again, I well, we're not going to see that
• 34:15
  because the raids are To be open until over a week after the
• 34:20
  expansion launches. So there is going to be way more
• 34:22
  than enough time for players to hit level cap and get get, the
• 34:27
  starting gear ready that they need to go into next ramus and
• 34:32
  the other two raids. And so, I don't think, I think
• 34:37
  we're going to see, we're going to see these rates go down
• 34:39
  within hours of the Reds opening that Thursday, but it's not
• 34:45
  going to be the same. Because there is going to be way
• 34:48
  more time. We more Force down time for
• 34:51
  these teams to be able to prepare so.
• 34:55
  So read open October 6. That's an important date for for
• 35:00
  a lot of those guys going for race to world first because I
• 35:02
  believe those raids will likely especially with all that prep
• 35:06
  time, they're going to have go down that very same day for
• 35:10
  sure, for sure. Speaking of rating, I'm going to
• 35:15
  jump ahead in the notes because I think that kind of segues
• 35:18
  really well with the raid testing that we're going to be
• 35:22
  getting for dragonflight and I say that because now that you've
• 35:26
  mentioned that October 6 is when the raids open, we had the
• 35:32
  rating schedule that was put out for the testing for all of the
• 35:36
  stuff for the new raid and this new raid is the Vault of the
• 35:40
  incarnates. It's an Nate boss encounter
• 35:43
  raid, it's held in a tight in prison, and of course, with
• 35:47
  dragons and Titans. It's very much right there with
• 35:51
  wrath next week, Thursday, which is September 29th.
• 35:57
  We're going to be testing two bosses on heroic, that's going
• 36:00
  to be erener and at arrows. Then Friday the 30th.
• 36:06
  We're going to be testing 3 bosses on heroic fruit keeper.
• 36:11
  Dear Aruna down again Diana. Yeah, I'm not sure and this is
• 36:16
  for Azeroth, I'll never be sure. Death via the ascended Keurig,
• 36:24
  grimtotem will be the other two heroic bosses and then on, we
• 36:29
  will have normal testing which will start at 4:00 Pacific
• 36:35
  Standard time and go throughout the weekend to Monday October
• 36:40
  3rd where 9:00 a.m. they'll shut that down there was supposed to
• 36:46
  be testing the following Thursday October.
• 36:51
  But it got removed, and I wonder why, I wonder why feels like
• 36:57
  some high-end raid teams that may raid both classic.
• 37:02
  And modern said that is a horrible conflict.
• 37:07
  And why would you do that to us? And blizzard decided to remove
• 37:11
  the testing there. Now, for those who might say,
• 37:17
  oh, blizzards catering to the 1% and yada yada yada.
• 37:21
  Those guys are the ones that really tests those rates and it
• 37:26
  helps everybody. This is the one time where we do
• 37:30
  get a trickle-down effect where these guys are going to test and
• 37:36
  break things that you are. I would never consider, they're
• 37:39
  going to be far more organized teams than most testers.
• 37:42
  There they are going to push wait.
• 37:44
  Further into these encounters than most testers will and
• 37:49
  blizzard will get invaluable data that they wouldn't get from
• 37:52
  other teams creating that conflict of interest would
• 37:55
  damage the testing or damage the race to world first for their
• 38:01
  classic race. And that's not something
• 38:04
  blizzard really should be trying to do in either case.
• 38:08
  Yeah, we'll just, we'll just call it trickled down, raid an
• 38:11
  Amex. I'm not gonna repeat that.
• 38:18
  Maybe we'll make it an episode title on October 7th, the Friday
• 38:25
  rating returns. So they have two heroic bosses
• 38:29
  which are to be determined, they have a Mythic boss being tested
• 38:35
  and then they will have raid finder open throughout the
• 38:38
  weekend. The following Thursday and
• 38:41
  Friday, we will have more Mythic testing with the raid finder
• 38:48
  opening after that. The one thing to note is that
• 38:54
  the final boss of this raid will not be tested on any difficulty.
• 39:01
  So the SFO lesson, we're going to be getting that again, this
• 39:08
  is a double edged sword. SFO, it wasn't bugged.
• 39:12
  People were worried about it being too difficult, but I'm not
• 39:15
  going to blame that on the buses.
• 39:17
  Not being tested. That because many of the bosses
• 39:20
  that word Tested that came earlier were a lot of difficulty
• 39:25
  for many red team's before they even got to the untested three
• 39:30
  bosses behind and Owen. In fact, I would say anduin is
• 39:33
  one of the most over tuned bosses for normal and LF R re
• 39:40
  difficulties that I have seen in a while but it does add a lot of
• 39:48
  excitement to see. Encounters that.
• 39:51
  He has seen before and I'm really looking forward to this.
• 39:54
  It is like the entire fight is the Mythic only phase that we
• 39:58
  that everybody keeps speculating about and I am excited for that.
• 40:04
  I'm excited for all of these raids.
• 40:07
  I do think that this is going to set the tone for the expansion,
• 40:14
  not only storyline wise, but also in terms of like where this
• 40:18
  expansion is going to land. If this Raid that is
• 40:22
  approachable and fun and gets everybody diving into it like
• 40:26
  this. This could be a good return to
• 40:28
  form for. Wow, I'm hoping that this is
• 40:30
  closer to Castle Navia fun. Then SFO burnout.
• 40:35
  Yeah, for sure, for sure. And on the note on the note of
• 40:39
  untested Mythic final boss untested, final boss a period.
• 40:46
  It is, it is kind of fun to watch the race to world first.
• 40:51
  For those fights specifically the ones that because it doesn't
• 40:55
  happen, often that they introduced a untested boss.
• 40:59
  I think before before SFO when was the last boss because like
• 41:05
  the only one that I can remember was back in throw in a thunder
• 41:10
  ride alone having Ridin. Oh, yeah, right.
• 41:14
  And yeah, that was that was like, completely unseen.
• 41:17
  They just like threw that in and it was buggy.
• 41:21
  Yep, it's yep. But seeing those fights The like
• 41:30
  hadn't seen the light of day before the fun part about that
• 41:34
  is seeing both the Raiders go in blind to the fight and having to
• 41:38
  figure it out as they're going through.
• 41:41
  And also the casters like the whole, the whole ecosystem of
• 41:46
  that Entertainment Circle, is everyone's just trying to figure
• 41:51
  out what's going on. And everyone's kind of picking
• 41:54
  up on little bits of what's Happening here and there.
• 41:58
  And so, Watching that develop in real time is a very rare thing
• 42:03
  that I thoroughly enjoy to watch.
• 42:05
  So if they if this is another success because I would say I
• 42:09
  would say fso, SFO was a success for what it did and how it was
• 42:18
  handled. And its release for the purposes
• 42:23
  of race to world first. Maybe not so much in this roll
• 42:28
  out for For what it meant for all the rest of the Raiders in
• 42:31
  World of Warcraft. But the entertainment value that
• 42:36
  was that was derived from that from its rollout.
• 42:40
  I think was something very special.
• 42:43
  And if they can hit on that in a similar fashion with this raid,
• 42:48
  I think it could do wonders for for everything as a whole, for
• 42:54
  the entire rating Community. I think it can, it can be
• 42:57
  something. Special, I keep remembering
• 43:02
  method, just tapping out and be like, forget it, we're taking a
• 43:06
  break and we'll come back in three weeks and losing their
• 43:08
  standing on that. I remember teams being like, Oh
• 43:11
  my goodness. This is going to go to Second
• 43:13
  reset and hating it and running out of time with their vendors
• 43:18
  because they hadn't planned for that.
• 43:21
  Yeah, I think that if they can tune it so that the teams are
• 43:25
  taking Nine ten days, shy of two weeks.
• 43:31
  Right? I don't want it to go to a
• 43:32
  second reset, and I want it to be far enough from the first
• 43:35
  reset that people don't say, oh, the second reset gave the power.
• 43:39
  So I'm looking at 9 to 10 days as my sweet spot for that.
• 43:43
  Also, just a matter of keeping engagement, I think that for
• 43:48
  SFO, the height of Engagement was our dear friend, mr.
• 43:52
  Krabs, our murder crab, how laundress that was like.
• 43:56
  Some of the height of the progression.
• 43:58
  And it's sort of Quasi fell off after anduin which yeah, which
• 44:05
  meant that the untested Unseen bosses didn't really get the
• 44:10
  kind of shine that they, that they, otherwise might have
• 44:14
  because and Owen was so powerful and it they seemed very
• 44:19
  anticlimactic beyond that. Yeah, I'm not saying that.
• 44:23
  That's what we're going to see anymore because anduin almost
• 44:25
  was like a The boss in it, off himself and the other two were
• 44:30
  at best penultimate bosses. So there was a definite decline
• 44:33
  there. But like, they it's very weird.
• 44:37
  It's like, and Owen was done. So what right?
• 44:40
  And if, if it was and went directly into the Jailer that I
• 44:46
  think would have made the entire raid, a lot more exciting to
• 44:51
  watch as as a viewer. Yeah.
• 44:54
  And, and then, I just keep going back to The teams at home who
• 44:59
  struggled through it, who hated the Among Us thing, because
• 45:04
  they're talk, coordination wasn't quite the same who had so
• 45:09
  much trouble with these. If the one person doesn't do
• 45:13
  something right, it wipes, the entire raid mechanics that were
• 45:17
  plaguing, SFO. And I think that that is
• 45:21
  Something that they're going to swing back on please.
• 45:24
  We likes to kind of be like a pendulum with their balancing.
• 45:29
  They're like, oh, we were over the mark and then they swing
• 45:31
  hard and we might have a kind of a face roll raid this tier.
• 45:37
  I am unsure. Yeah, definitely we will not
• 45:41
  have the pass/fail mechanics in such abundance much like when
• 45:46
  they got out of Tomb of sargeras immunities the longer were like
• 45:50
  the king of relevance So I don't suspect that they're going to
• 45:53
  repeat the problems of SFO. I just want I just want to make
• 45:57
  sure that they don't dive into new ones.
• 46:03
  Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
• 46:04
  See and Ian definitely had like come out and said in an
• 46:08
  interview in a recent interview that they, they definitely need
• 46:14
  to tone back. The, the personal responsibility
• 46:18
  aspect of it because there were too many, like, individual and
• 46:22
  dependencies on, on fights, designed to, throughout
• 46:26
  throughout the whole of the expansion.
• 46:29
  Really like that was that was something that just kept getting
• 46:32
  kept getting more. More focused on throughout the
• 46:35
  entire expansion. I feel like there were like,
• 46:38
  very few fights that were just like Like mostly focused on like
• 46:43
  group-wide, mechanics and Group. B ability that you think Stone
• 46:47
  Legion, generals and centered in a serious work to fights that
• 46:51
  were very much. Getting the group collectively
• 46:55
  to do things as opposed to individuals to do things like
• 46:59
  there were, of course, of course they were individual mechanics
• 47:02
  that one person had to do a thing but they weren't things
• 47:07
  that just Woodrow why parade out right?
• 47:12
  And then we get into SFO and yeah, just single person.
• 47:19
  Entire thing hinged on one single person doing a thing,
• 47:21
  right? Completely randomly single
• 47:24
  person doing one thing, right was definitely prevalent.
• 47:28
  So I also hope for that and I would like to say that my my
• 47:37
  rose-tinted glasses on viewing sf0.
• 47:40
  And the racer world first experience was Not a reflection
• 47:46
  of how I felt about the raid, personally, at the time because
• 47:49
  I was one of the people that was, like, wildly frustrated
• 47:53
  with the raid, because it was very difficult.
• 47:59
  It was just the viewing experience of watching those
• 48:04
  fights unfold in real time. That was Everything to me.
• 48:11
  Like it reminded me very much of my favorite activity in World of
• 48:15
  Warcraft view, which is the arena World Championship, which
• 48:18
  is very high level play happening, and commentators that
• 48:22
  are just like knocking it out of the park.
• 48:25
  And that experience going through that watching.
• 48:28
  These commentators, begin to understand the fights as the
• 48:31
  teams are starting to understand the fights was Just perfection.
• 48:39
  So I'm hoping that that, that specifically is able to be
• 48:42
  captured with the last boss of this next raid, that's coming up
• 48:46
  the rest of it. I hope isn't an over tune mess,
• 48:50
  like like SFO was but this week also included a new beta build
• 48:56
  as well. And there was a number of
• 48:59
  different changes, but the changes are of a different sort
• 49:02
  than we have been seeing in previous week, solinksy.
• 49:05
  See one of the community managers jumped onto the forums
• 49:10
  and provided an update. There were a ton of class
• 49:14
  updates and I'm going to include developers notes where there
• 49:20
  were developers notes, but these class updates were a lot of
• 49:25
  clarification making things easier to parse through.
• 49:30
  If you guys recall a week or two ago, I had said, oh, I wish they
• 49:34
  would have Change to the tooltips because some of these
• 49:38
  names are going to have like a demon's proper name with a bunch
• 49:42
  of errant, commas, and quotation marks or whatever in it and
• 49:51
  trying to pronounce it to nose. And then there will be other
• 49:56
  ones that are just blood-related.
• 49:58
  So you'll have like, hemoglobin, and blah, blah, blah.
• 50:02
  And unless you have like some And in, in blood work, it might
• 50:09
  seem a bit confusing to you. So they have gone through a lot
• 50:13
  of these talents and cleaned up names, and such and change
• 50:17
  things around for clarity sake. And, I'm really glad to see that
• 50:20
  because that was literally one of my complaints, but there
• 50:24
  haven't been as many huge changes as we've seen in the
• 50:28
  past. So, for the class updates, the
• 50:31
  first developers note says, We have had a lot of extra spells
• 50:35
  and modifiers with the talent system which means a lot of new
• 50:39
  names also needed to be added while adding these new names.
• 50:44
  We also made a pass on the names of almost every talent and
• 50:48
  several of them are having their name changed, we try to avoid
• 50:52
  changing terms. That people are very familiar
• 50:55
  with, we aren't looking to rename core building blocks of
• 50:59
  classes or specs spells, like Fireball mortal strike.
• 51:03
  And Rejuvenation are not suddenly going to be changing
• 51:06
  names. Several talents would modifiers
• 51:09
  to your spells, may see some name changes to get a better
• 51:13
  identity and a cohesive feel with all of the other spells and
• 51:18
  talents available to your class or spec.
• 51:22
  So when you go through these changes, we have a link in the
• 51:26
  show notes, you'll see that there are a bunch of different
• 51:31
  classes that have changes but this is really a lot of those
• 51:35
  changes. So death Knights had changes to
• 51:37
  their Frost and and holy several.
• 51:39
  Those are name changes, Druid changes, the balance, feral
• 51:43
  restoration, strangely no changes to Guardian.
• 51:48
  Mage had changes to all of their tree including their class tree
• 51:52
  Hunter had true changes to the class tree monk had changes to
• 51:56
  miss Weaver and wind walker with a developers note that said for
• 52:01
  Miss Walker. Players have offered feedback
• 52:05
  about the location of Jade ignition and hit combo as other
• 52:09
  talents surrounding and connected to them are typically
• 52:12
  stronger in different situations than these effects.
• 52:15
  Hit combo is surrounded from primarily by AOE bonuses.
• 52:19
  Jade ignition is connected to mostly single Target.
• 52:22
  Focus affects the positioning of these traits is intentional as a
• 52:27
  reward for investing in a particular path as we would like
• 52:33
  Years to diversify and consider the entire tree When developing
• 52:36
  Talent pills. I think that's a very important
• 52:40
  thing to note because we have sort of seen that in some other
• 52:44
  trees as well. Definitely, when I was speaking
• 52:47
  with shoe boots about warlock, or with other people, about
• 52:51
  other specs, we have sort of seen where it's like, oh like
• 52:54
  this looks like the AOE Tree Side.
• 52:56
  This looks like the side that's got single Target.
• 52:58
  But what is this doing over here?
• 53:00
  Sort of thing, the fact that they are being Being conscious
• 53:03
  about that is important information to put out there and
• 53:06
  I wish it wasn't just hidden away in the monk tree.
• 53:10
  That's why I want to put it out here to the greater audience.
• 53:13
  But yeah, the the note goes on and says, we've heard players
• 53:17
  desire to bring back calculated strikes, but would prefer to
• 53:21
  balance spinning, crane kick to a button that's viable.
• 53:25
  Without the aggressive compounding scaling.
• 53:27
  Offered by critical strikes, then F course that is more.
• 53:33
  Or just marked in general. Yep, priests got changes for all
• 53:37
  of their trees Shaman, got changes for all trees, but
• 53:40
  they're very, very minor. Warlock saw some changes to
• 53:44
  destruction and Warrior saw changes to all of their trees
• 53:48
  but they also have a developer's note that says this week for the
• 53:53
  class arms and fury trees, were mostly fixing errors and
• 53:57
  tweaking things. We're happy with where these are
• 54:00
  at and don't intend to make any large changes moving.
• 54:03
  Forward arms and fury and various options within them seem
• 54:07
  to be performing well and people are enjoying them will be
• 54:11
  monitoring feedback and tuning things.
• 54:13
  Where needed this week, we focus more on the protection tree and
• 54:18
  provided some details on that within the within the post
• 54:23
  there. So do check on that and I put
• 54:25
  that forward because there are a lot of specs that are reaching a
• 54:29
  very nice position. Now we had those flurry of
• 54:32
  changes the Last couple of weeks, I have absolutely loved
• 54:37
  where enhancement and Elemental is, I'm not so much Keyon Resto
• 54:43
  and learning Affliction and seeing the changes that they
• 54:46
  made their, especially the fact that they have changed the death
• 54:51
  glare into something that can really smack around stuff in AOE
• 54:56
  where before it seemed very single Target.
• 54:58
  I love that kind of flexibility at they're doing there.
• 55:01
  I'm not sure if I've said this on the show.
• 55:03
  Or not that I've like I'm looking at maybe a meaning
• 55:06
  Affliction and people are screaming about that.
• 55:08
  Was that something I said I stream I think.
• 55:11
  I think that may be something you said on stream but I've had
• 55:14
  my hunch that you've been very very like into Affliction lately
• 55:21
  and talking about Affliction and I've been screaming internally
• 55:27
  about it since you started talking about more like because
• 55:33
  And I just have to say this, my three, my three, like main specs
• 55:38
  in the game that that are like the the specs of classes that
• 55:43
  I'm very much looking to be my main in this expansion, Havoc
• 55:49
  Demon Hunter Enhancement, Shaman and destruction more.
• 55:51
  Like so like the fact that you're you're on the fence
• 55:55
  between Shaman and affliction warlock.
• 55:58
  I'm just like okay, yeah yes Have corrupted you into being
• 56:04
  able to class. Hi, my guess is for, you would
• 56:09
  have been completely different and based on my bias of how like
• 56:13
  you must use switch classes. But my my three, a, you would
• 56:17
  have been like, healer, DPS and tank.
• 56:25
  Girls must be. No.
• 56:27
  Yeah. But you limit yourself.
• 56:29
  Yeah. Very limited means.
• 56:32
  I can't play. It means.
• 56:34
  I can't play a evoker in any capacity because they don't fit
• 56:38
  the mold. Yeah, they do.
• 56:40
  They're healers. Like what it would it be is like
• 56:44
  the only reason you would like break that streak from it to the
• 56:46
  limitation is if they created The Bard and then like you'd be
• 56:50
  like oh maybe I want to try a buff class one of these days
• 56:53
  mmm-hmm For sure, for sure. Yeah, so those are classes, I'm
• 56:59
  looking at destruction, your class, got some, got some
• 57:03
  changes but again A lot of it was just like minor sort of
• 57:06
  things. So that's where the class
• 57:09
  changes are at. Right now beyond that the
• 57:12
  endgame realm Val drakon, had profession vendors and trainers.
• 57:17
  Now put into Orgrimmar and Stormwind so that people can go
• 57:22
  and learn their especially since You can't leave the main cities
• 57:28
  in val, Jackin realm. There's also PVP vendors so that
• 57:35
  people can test. PVP big thing that you'd need to
• 57:38
  be testing on the beta. Make sure that that balance is
• 57:41
  correct, especially when they're now reaching a point where the
• 57:45
  trees are getting more stable and they now need to start
• 57:48
  working on, making sure that they're all kind of balanced in
• 57:52
  themselves and among 1. So each other The elemental
• 57:57
  storms which was an event that was occurring throughout the
• 58:00
  dragon file. Dragon Isles has been disabled.
• 58:06
  And a developer's, note says that the dragon storms that the
• 58:09
  Primal estar inflicting upon the dragon Isles.
• 58:12
  Our new feature that will be available when dragonflight
• 58:15
  season one start and won't be active.
• 58:18
  When dragonflight launches this week, we've disabled them to
• 58:22
  ensure that we're Gathering accurate player, feedback on the
• 58:25
  The world during the initial weeks after dragonflights
• 58:29
  launched. So now they're looking at like
• 58:32
  what people are going to be doing when we're not in the
• 58:35
  seasonal content. The other part of it, of course,
• 58:41
  is player versus player, which I mentioned a little bit with the
• 58:43
  vendors, but now they're truly starting to look at
• 58:47
  player-versus-player. The developers note says that
• 58:50
  greetings Gladiators with the endgame realm, on the beta that
• 58:56
  spun up last week and the beginning of a more focused
• 58:59
  testing on our max level PVP, we wanted to discuss some of our
• 59:04
  thoughts on crowd control in PvP going into Dragon flight.
• 59:09
  The amount of crowd control that classes have access to has
• 59:14
  progressively increased in the past few expansions, this will
• 59:18
  be even more prominent in dragon fight with our talent trees,
• 59:21
  providing the option to spend Talent points into heavy
• 59:25
  utility. We recognize that crowd control
• 59:28
  is a point of concern for players in PvP.
• 59:31
  When we recently added PVP talent, precognition to help
• 59:35
  casters deal with interrupts as another way.
• 59:38
  To help players and handle crowd control.
• 59:42
  Another mechanic that will be introducing that you will see,
• 59:46
  in this week's build is increasing the power of
• 59:49
  Gladiators distinction. The PVP trinket to set bonus in
• 59:53
  addition to the current of effect of providing additional
• 59:56
  stamina and primary stat, the bonus will now also provide a
• 1:00:00
  15% reduction in incoming crowd. Control effects with this added
• 1:00:06
  built-in bonus. We will also Will be retiring
• 1:00:10
  the Relentless trinket and the current versions of the trinket
• 1:00:14
  will have a maximum level of 60 requirement.
• 1:00:19
  We will continue to analyze and evaluate how overall crowd
• 1:00:23
  control plays in PvP throughout beta.
• 1:00:26
  Additionally, we are discussing some other options for future
• 1:00:29
  patches to further address. The concern of crowd control,
• 1:00:34
  one being adjusting, the PVP duration on individual
• 1:00:37
  abilities. That may have not been changed
• 1:00:39
  for years. We are interested to see your
• 1:00:43
  feedback on that proposal for. Now we think that a reduction in
• 1:00:47
  the overall crowd control will For a healthier state of PVP.
• 1:00:52
  Thank you again for your continued feedback will be
• 1:00:55
  keeping a particularly close eye on PVP related feedback over the
• 1:00:58
  next several weeks. So cue up Gladiators will see
• 1:01:02
  you in the arena and along with that, they have two editions
• 1:01:08
  that they had spoken about. So the Gladiators distinction
• 1:01:11
  that trinket bonus again now provides a 15% reduction to
• 1:01:15
  incoming crowd control effects. In addition to the existing
• 1:01:17
  effects and of Course, trinkets, with the Relentless effect are
• 1:01:22
  now capped at level 60 and there is no plans in dragon fight
• 1:01:26
  season 12 have a version of that Relentless drink it.
• 1:01:29
  So basically this p is this PVP change, is that yes with these
• 1:01:34
  new talent trees and the fact that you'll be able to get so
• 1:01:37
  many different forms of utility and so many different forms of
• 1:01:40
  crowd control. They want to make sure that
• 1:01:43
  they're watching, how that's affecting things, and they want
• 1:01:46
  to tone down crowd control a little bit.
• 1:01:49
  I know for new players, one of the things that absolutely sucks
• 1:01:54
  in PvP or if you are out and doing World, PVP is to get that
• 1:02:01
  absolute lockdown of crowd control, followed by you dying
• 1:02:04
  and feeling that you never had a chance.
• 1:02:07
  I think some crowd control some disruption.
• 1:02:10
  He's incredibly powerful. I think that it's an absolutely
• 1:02:14
  ridiculous when you never had a chance, because they just kept
• 1:02:19
  Rotating through different things to make sure that the Dr,
• 1:02:22
  never accumulated and then killed you.
• 1:02:25
  Yeah, yeah. That in particular is something
• 1:02:29
  that you only really editor ever had to worry about coming from
• 1:02:33
  like a rogue of just like, being stunlock 48 seconds and not
• 1:02:36
  being able to do anything and just dying.
• 1:02:39
  But now, like almost everyone has.
• 1:02:41
  Everyone has stuns. Everyone has interrupt everyone
• 1:02:43
  has everything all the time and so that like I think for me,
• 1:02:49
  personally, the one of the ways to combat that is to give ways
• 1:02:56
  to and this is something that you've said before, but give
• 1:03:01
  ways to Juke, Other players into wasting their, their, their
• 1:03:09
  crowd control. So, doing things like like,
• 1:03:13
  stutter, casting to debate an interrupt and put it interrupts
• 1:03:19
  on cooldown, that, that is something like that's kind of
• 1:03:23
  like a skill that you just like, learn through doing PVP.
• 1:03:27
  But I feel like, I feel like an interesting way that they could
• 1:03:30
  explore doing that stuff would be To to kind of to kind of like
• 1:03:37
  look at having PVP talents that are less about less about
• 1:03:41
  bolstering yourself, and more about disrupting the other,
• 1:03:46
  like, disrupting your enemy's ability to do stuff, like, have
• 1:03:52
  have like stuff that like reflects tons, or makes it to
• 1:03:56
  where stuns only happen for like .5 seconds as opposed to a
• 1:04:00
  second or stuff like that. So I think that there's You'd
• 1:04:05
  like it's absolutely something that needs to be taken into
• 1:04:08
  consideration that there is just a smorgasbord of sea.
• 1:04:14
  See that is currently available through talents alone and even
• 1:04:21
  more crowd control that's available through PVP talents
• 1:04:24
  which is another whole layer to this whole thing.
• 1:04:27
  So yeah, I think that it's definitely definitely something.
• 1:04:30
  They're going to be taking a very very hard look at So then
• 1:04:35
  moving on from PvP, the next one is the professions because right
• 1:04:41
  now, it feels like professions are going to be the big thing
• 1:04:45
  that players can do in between tentpole features, it really
• 1:04:50
  feels like it's becoming the fourth and game activity, so for
• 1:04:56
  first-time, recipe crafts, you will now get experience points
• 1:04:59
  for that, which will help you for your specializations and so
• 1:05:03
  forth. They They are working on a known
• 1:05:05
  issue, where knowledge spent on specializations for tailoring
• 1:05:10
  blacksmithing, dueling engineering and enchanting was
• 1:05:14
  causing an issue, but in order to do that they have removed all
• 1:05:19
  of the specialization points that people have for that on the
• 1:05:21
  alpha or sorry, the beta or whatever, you can go, buy an
• 1:05:25
  item to get your specialization points right back and it's super
• 1:05:28
  cheap. So this is only a small
• 1:05:29
  inconvenience but make sure that you are looking at that because
• 1:05:33
  you may have lost all of your Realization.
• 1:05:36
  And that means that. Yeah, we now with of course in
• 1:05:40
  chanting and everything in, we have all of the various
• 1:05:44
  professions to test and everything though we haven't
• 1:05:48
  seen much testing for work orders.
• 1:05:51
  There was a post that I will make sure to link in the show
• 1:05:55
  notes where they talked about how work orders are going to
• 1:06:00
  work. A lot of the bind on pickup
• 1:06:03
  items will need to be provided. By the person who places the
• 1:06:08
  work order and the crafter will not be able to provide that.
• 1:06:13
  That means that crafting is going to actually be somewhat
• 1:06:19
  gated a bit in terms of, you will need to get that particular
• 1:06:24
  item yourself which might mean that you need to step into the
• 1:06:27
  content of rating, or Mythic plus to get the particular
• 1:06:33
  reagent. It's not going to be that you
• 1:06:35
  can Handoff a fresh, alt top-tier, Mythic level gear.
• 1:06:42
  The other thing that has been developing this week, is that
• 1:06:45
  they have been Shifting the numbers for Mythic gear as well
• 1:06:50
  as they have, signaled, the intention to change the numbers
• 1:06:54
  for the rating gear. If you have been paying
• 1:06:59
  attention The Raid, Offers a different spectrum of item
• 1:07:05
  levels. So the first boss rewards a item
• 1:07:11
  level, which again, will be changing.
• 1:07:12
  So I'm not even gonna bother saying the item level here, but
• 1:07:15
  it offers one item level. And then, by the last boss,
• 1:07:18
  there is a difference of roughly nine to ten item levels.
• 1:07:24
  Where first boss offers the lowest the next boss?
• 1:07:28
  The next two bosses will offer a little bit higher the Two bosses
• 1:07:33
  after that will offer a little bit higher and then the seven
• 1:07:37
  sorry the 6th and 7th boss will offer a little bit higher and
• 1:07:41
  the last boss will offer the highest.
• 1:07:43
  So there's entire spectrum of item levels there and Mythic
• 1:07:47
  crafted gear is going to be equivalent to the first boss.
• 1:07:52
  They are adjusting what what that is going to be, but that
• 1:07:56
  means that Mythic rating is still going to be providing the
• 1:07:59
  highest. We've heard them talking about.
• 1:08:02
  Course Mythic plus and what level gear that will be
• 1:08:06
  providing and there's, there's a big conversation here.
• 1:08:10
  Those number adjustments, hopefully, will be coming soon
• 1:08:14
  because definitely, we want crafting to be a valid source of
• 1:08:20
  good gear. And they have said that it is
• 1:08:24
  possible with a coordinated team for people to be getting that
• 1:08:29
  crafted gear, quite early in the Tear within the first week or
• 1:08:34
  two with a very coordinated team, but I don't think that's
• 1:08:39
  going to be me. The last part of this is, of
• 1:08:42
  course, the UI my little love of dragon flight is so centered
• 1:08:49
  around the UI, they have been doing further updates.
• 1:08:51
  So pretty much everything is now included.
• 1:08:54
  This update included UI updates from the main target frame.
• 1:08:59
  It is going to also be pending The minor enemies that will be
• 1:09:03
  coming through and they have it developers note saying that we
• 1:09:08
  have moved away from the Silver Dragon border for rare mobs and
• 1:09:12
  instead will rely on using an icon, the icon will be placed
• 1:09:16
  over the unit frame border and display on the map to better
• 1:09:20
  relate these two elements together.
• 1:09:22
  Rest in peace. Rest in peace, Silver, Dragon,
• 1:09:26
  we we loved you, Silver Dragon. I am I, I gotta tell you, I this
• 1:09:33
  upset me, because that's been this bit like One of my favorite
• 1:09:39
  things going through and leveling through like new new
• 1:09:44
  zones or just or just going through the world in general and
• 1:09:47
  like going through seeing a mob that like looks a little bit
• 1:09:50
  different. So you click on it and then you
• 1:09:52
  see it's got this got the silver border around it and it's like,
• 1:09:57
  Oh, wow. I want to kill that.
• 1:09:59
  And then you go try to kill it and it just like, like kills you
• 1:10:03
  in like two hits and like you're just like, okay, well I guess I
• 1:10:06
  gotta go get some friends to do this and then you go get the
• 1:10:09
  friends and you come get it and like, it's a whole experience
• 1:10:12
  that experience isn't necessarily going to change, but
• 1:10:14
  the aesthetic of having the Silver Dragon is something that
• 1:10:17
  I will sorely Miss and I hope, I hope that they re think that I
• 1:10:24
  saw the new gold dragon and it looks beautiful.
• 1:10:27
  Beautiful. Yeah, if they just color
• 1:10:29
  shifted, the Silver Dragon does has meant the same thing for a
• 1:10:33
  long time. I'm kind of glad that they are
• 1:10:35
  retiring. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:38
  Like functionally. Understand why they're making
• 1:10:40
  the change, and why? They're why they're moving away
• 1:10:43
  from it. It's just, it's just a nostalgic
• 1:10:46
  aesthetic thing. For me, that's, that's the only
• 1:10:48
  thing that I'm holding on to with it.
• 1:10:51
  Yeah. But I think it was Wrath Silver.
• 1:10:55
  Dragon stop me. Meaning the same thing like BC
• 1:10:59
  Silver Dragon, like okay, I gotta go bring a friend.
• 1:11:01
  I've got to bring a couple of friends to take this wrath.
• 1:11:05
  They like the medium rare and stuff achievement.
• 1:11:09
  You could slow pretty much sum of like some of it was like as
• 1:11:13
  you got better geared. Sure cataclysm.
• 1:11:16
  I didn't need to be read geared at all that to handle those.
• 1:11:20
  They were pretty quick to get and then Mists of Pandaria, they
• 1:11:25
  weren't even rare anymore. They were incredibly exceedingly
• 1:11:29
  common. So silver rare creatures.
• 1:11:32
  Do not have the same impact and this is just them updating the
• 1:11:36
  art to better. Reflect the fact that they are
• 1:11:40
  named common creatures that will pop up and give you special
• 1:11:44
  loot, Mmm. Yeah, in fact, several just took
• 1:11:48
  silver rares used to be more dangerous than gold rares.
• 1:11:51
  Mmm. Oh, yeah.
• 1:11:52
  Oh, for sure. 100% like that. I Member fearing.
• 1:11:58
  So our dragons more than more than gold dragons because the
• 1:12:03
  Just like if you saw a gold dragon, most likely like nine
• 1:12:07
  times out of ten you were in an instance or you were in a just a
• 1:12:12
  group setting already. Your where you were going to be
• 1:12:15
  somewhere where you had multiple people around you, that we're
• 1:12:17
  going to be able to help you deal with it.
• 1:12:20
  Silver dragons were just like your farming mobs out in the
• 1:12:24
  Hinterlands and then all of a sudden there's just a there's
• 1:12:28
  just a a silver rare enemy there and you're just dead.
• 1:12:36
  You're just dead and there's nothing you can do about it.
• 1:12:39
  So yeah, it like It's just it's just a Nostalgia thing really.
• 1:12:45
  Which I do think I do think on that note I do think it is or it
• 1:12:50
  can be a useful bit of world-building to have enemies
• 1:12:53
  like that. That just like roam around and
• 1:12:55
  just like Slaughter everyone that they come in contact with
• 1:12:58
  and having gone through some of the leveling in the zones coming
• 1:13:03
  and drag inflate, they do kind of have that so that is that is
• 1:13:08
  still like the essence of Silver Dragon.
• 1:13:11
  Ins and the the original intent behind them being like super
• 1:13:16
  difficult enemies that you kind of have to put like a small like
• 1:13:20
  crack team together in order to bring down still is there but
• 1:13:26
  it's yeah. Is it is it is wildly different.
• 1:13:29
  I'm glad I'm glad that they're like making a change.
• 1:13:32
  I'm just I'm just sad that the Silver Dragon isn't going to be
• 1:13:35
  employed anymore. Bring back the fell.
• 1:13:38
  We were absolutely yeah. But going back to our UI where
• 1:13:43
  it started this, the pet frame has been updated.
• 1:13:47
  The there's new tab art for the UI panel.
• 1:13:52
  So everything looks just like this is the completion of all
• 1:13:55
  the little pieces that were missing before and they've
• 1:13:58
  updated the login screen as well.
• 1:14:02
  And the options menu has been updated with many things.
• 1:14:07
  Having their keybinds being able to Attached to it.
• 1:14:12
  And the search functionality has been improved again.
• 1:14:17
  I've said some of these things but there's a lot more in the
• 1:14:21
  show notes and of course, there are links to everything in the
• 1:14:24
  show notes as well. Yeah, with that said, we have
• 1:14:29
  one last piece of news and live. Do you want to take this?
• 1:14:33
  Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So we had, we had a blue post.
• 1:14:40
  By developer demson who has become prolific on the alpha
• 1:14:47
  class forums and beta forms for communicating updates on the
• 1:14:50
  class talent trees yesterday, posted, that things are changing
• 1:14:55
  in terms of development, and I have several feelings and
• 1:15:00
  thoughts on this, as I'm sure you do as well.
• 1:15:02
  Manny, but before we get into our thoughts on it, I'm just
• 1:15:06
  going to read. I'm just going to read the post
• 1:15:08
  and it's in its entirety. Because it's I think it's
• 1:15:11
  important to to to hear it. But here we go we feel it would
• 1:15:16
  be useful to let everyone know where we are in the development
• 1:15:21
  of dragon flight class and talent design with the next beta
• 1:15:25
  /, PT are build. We're transitioning away from
• 1:15:28
  spending the majority of our time on the design iteration of
• 1:15:31
  the new talent trees. And we're now primarily focused
• 1:15:34
  on fixing bugs and tuning the game.
• 1:15:38
  This includes balancing Talent choice.
• 1:15:39
  Aces against each other and tuning, the throughput of each
• 1:15:42
  class. We want to ensure that we
• 1:15:45
  release an expansion on the highest are of the highest
• 1:15:48
  quality for this. Incredible community.
• 1:15:51
  That being said, the new Talent systems, constitute a tremendous
• 1:15:55
  change to the game and represent a fundamental overhaul to how
• 1:15:59
  classes and specializations are customized by players.
• 1:16:02
  It is our expectation that we will be making adjustments based
• 1:16:06
  on your feedback throughout the expansions.
• 1:16:10
  We greatly appreciate all of your testing and feedback thus
• 1:16:13
  far and we're looking forward to delivering improvements to all
• 1:16:17
  of the talent trees in content updates throughout dragonflight.
• 1:16:22
  So, what is being said here? What the person has said is that
• 1:16:28
  they are shifting from iteration into tuning, which means that
• 1:16:32
  for the vast majority, of all the changes that have been made
• 1:16:37
  to the class and talent systems, those changes are kind of where
• 1:16:42
  they want them to be. Like in the latter half of this,
• 1:16:47
  this post saying that, they're so going to be making
• 1:16:51
  adjustments to individual talents and everything and and
• 1:16:54
  specializations like, they're not done changing things.
• 1:16:58
  All like all together outright but the primary focus is being
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  shifted from iteration to tuning which means that the state that
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  these talent trees are in currently on the beta.
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  As of this build are basically where they're going to be when
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  when this And watches barring some some insane thing
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  happening. They're going to be basically
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  how they are now. And the only thing that's going
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  to be changing is the numbers associated with these talents
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  and how how the numbers kind of interact with them.
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  Manny, I want to hear your thoughts on this first, because,
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  I know, I know that you, you had quite a visceral reaction in in
• 1:17:41
  the Discord server when this was brought to your attention or
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  brought to our attention, I should say.
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  So what? Let me, let me know what you're
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  thinking and feeling about this because I I cannot begin.
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  I don't even know where to begin on this.
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  Okay, I mean on Friday when this was posted, when it was brought
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  to our attention. Yeah, I was very much right
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  there with you. I didn't know where to begin.
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  I looked at this. And I said, you're going over to
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  tuning. There's so much to test.
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  Still, there's so much that age to go through.
• 1:18:16
  Like, this seemed this seemed premature, this felt that they
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  were running. Out of time, and whatever,
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  whatever date that they have internally, that they're trying
• 1:18:30
  to hit their fast, approaching it.
• 1:18:33
  And so there's no more time to reiterate on these trees.
• 1:18:39
  On the, the game. We've got to go to bug fixing so
• 1:18:43
  that we can get this out the door and I did a quick reaction.
• 1:18:48
  It was a four-letter word. It was all that I responded and
• 1:18:54
  with The follow-up. I said, you know what?
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  Give me some time to digest. This to look into this.
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  Give me a day to like, stop being angry about it, so that
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  I'm not going to just go off on an angry rant and that's what I
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  did. So, my action today is going to
• 1:19:11
  be much different than what my action would have been had to be
• 1:19:13
  recorded this yesterday. There's a lot of nuance and
• 1:19:19
  scope in in Dev sins post and I appreciate that that he's put
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  that in there. That they put that in there.
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  I'm assuming here. It's in regards to the talent
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  trees. It's in regards to the design of
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  those classes. And I would say that a lot of
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  the classes have received great iterations and many people that
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  I've spoken to are quite happy with how their to their class,
• 1:19:53
  their spec is currently laid out in playing with these, with
• 1:19:57
  these talents. I know for the ones that I'm
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  following For the people that I've spoken to, that cover the
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  vast majority of these classes and specs, they're quite happy
• 1:20:10
  about it. So yeah, it is a point where you
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  can start iterating and making small changes and being happy
• 1:20:17
  about it. I would also say that if they
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  continue to make adjustments throughout the expansions
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  Lifetime, and if they do not hold, Adjustments to Major
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  patches or in between expansions, if something
• 1:20:37
  requires that level of intent of attention, then I'll be happy
• 1:20:42
  with this. I see no reason why.
• 1:20:45
  If something Falls flat, they don't go.
• 1:20:47
  Okay, let's get somebody on this talent tree.
• 1:20:50
  Let's make the, let's make some changes.
• 1:20:53
  Let's throw out an entire talent.
• 1:20:55
  That is just not working, or has been broken, or make a heavy
• 1:20:59
  adjustment to it. And in The next major patch.
• 1:21:06
  We make that adjustment right? Like I don't I don't care that
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  you're part way through a season if something is just utterly
• 1:21:16
  underperforming make the change to that Talent.
• 1:21:19
  If a class is suffering greatly, don't wait until the next
• 1:21:24
  expansion to say. Okay, Guardian Druids, we know
• 1:21:28
  you've been in the trash for the entirety of these last two
• 1:21:32
  years, but we're finally willing to give you some time.
• 1:21:36
  To like actually be improved and it's like, oh good, I get to be
• 1:21:40
  a tank and not a trash Badger sweet like that.
• 1:21:43
  That's not what I want for like any class.
• 1:21:47
  So the second part is what I really want for for this to be
• 1:21:53
  true if they're going to be doing content patches more
• 1:21:57
  frequently than any issue that might come up should be
• 1:22:00
  addressed. Hopefully just just as
• 1:22:03
  frequently in terms of these these Core ways that people play
• 1:22:07
  the game and some of it can be adjusted with like a fancy,
• 1:22:12
  fancy tear talent, but tears and all of the tier bonuses.
• 1:22:19
  Haven't been tested yet. How does that work?
• 1:22:23
  When these talent trees are shifting around a lot?
• 1:22:27
  Well, I guess it really can't because if you change a bunch of
• 1:22:30
  talents a lot and then introduce it at are bonus that for all
• 1:22:35
  intents. Purposes act like another
• 1:22:38
  another Talent you're going to mess with your balancing so
• 1:22:42
  these things do have to be sort of cemented.
• 1:22:45
  So the rest of the testing can come forward and that's why when
• 1:22:49
  we're talking about this I wanted to talk about the fact
• 1:22:52
  that they are going into re testing here and they should be
• 1:22:56
  testing these tear bonuses because you guys remember in
• 1:23:01
  nine point two point five how much those two your bonuses
• 1:23:05
  received. Adjustments, receive changes.
• 1:23:08
  And again, Death Scenes only talking about the talent trees
• 1:23:13
  and the classes, right? Exterior external power.
• 1:23:20
  And I'm going to call external power to avoid a different term
• 1:23:23
  that uses power right. Do come, do come into play.
• 1:23:27
  Still in dragon fight, we will have cool trinkets.
• 1:23:30
  We will have different enchantment bonuses.
• 1:23:34
  We will have tier sets and maybe weapons with procs and so forth
• 1:23:39
  that need to be considered and we can't completely destabilize
• 1:23:44
  something. Because of a weird interaction
• 1:23:47
  that might occur with with the tier bonus with a trinket so
• 1:23:50
  forth. Of course, those trinkets
• 1:23:52
  themselves can be changed, but I would hate to see a trinket get
• 1:23:57
  like become completely unusable 49 specs because three other
• 1:24:03
  specs that happen to use it become broken with it.
• 1:24:07
  I'd rather I'd rather that they have all the specs relatively
• 1:24:11
  balanced and then get a relatively this decent.
• 1:24:16
  Bonus with those with those Trinkets.
• 1:24:19
  And everybody ever he's happy, I do like when some particular
• 1:24:24
  Trinkets and stuff are great for a particular classes and not.
• 1:24:27
  So for other classes that to me is part of like the makeup.
• 1:24:32
  Yeah, yeah. Like there's definitely a
• 1:24:35
  balance to be struck there. And one of the things, one of
• 1:24:38
  the things that I kind of fear with the design of the loot that
• 1:24:43
  in particular with things like, Special weapons.
• 1:24:46
  Like we've seen throughout shadowlands that they've
• 1:24:49
  introduced, like weapons with special unique effects Trinkets
• 1:24:53
  and here set bonuses in particular.
• 1:24:56
  I think like when I think of like how they could go or go
• 1:25:00
  about designing these things, there are so many variables.
• 1:25:06
  Now between all of the individual specializations that
• 1:25:11
  accounting for all of those in the design of all these things
• 1:25:14
  is going to be a don't ask, but at the same time, I do like
• 1:25:20
  those unique things and I don't want like my knee-jerk reaction
• 1:25:24
  to having all of the, all of the special, all of the
• 1:25:28
  customization available to players being through the
• 1:25:31
  talents is that you kind of have to like shunt the, the
• 1:25:38
  uniqueness of the, the tier set bonuses of the Trinkets and kind
• 1:25:43
  of have them just be like Generalized Buffs that once you
• 1:25:47
  complete the tomb bonus you get? You get something that is
• 1:25:50
  effectively. You are now.
• 1:25:51
  Five percent stronger, 4% or 4 piece.
• 1:25:55
  Bonus your now, ten percent stronger and then the trinkets
• 1:25:58
  being something of like, you just, you have a chance to deal
• 1:26:02
  like X percent increase damage for a brief period of time.
• 1:26:05
  Or it's a non-use trinket that just like increases your primary
• 1:26:08
  stat, like those kind of things are kind of where I think is
• 1:26:14
  just For for the sake of having safe gear, that doesn't risk
• 1:26:25
  breaking classes. I think that's kind of a better
• 1:26:29
  way to sit with that, but I'd kind of still want the
• 1:26:33
  uniqueness of it. And I think what you said there
• 1:26:36
  about having like being okay, with, like, three specs being
• 1:26:42
  like, kind of overpowered with this one trinket, but Not with
• 1:26:46
  the rest of the Trinkets. And then having like, each, each
• 1:26:49
  specialization has like their trinkets that they're looking
• 1:26:53
  for that work really well with their with their toolkit.
• 1:26:57
  I think that's, that's the better Target to go for rather
• 1:27:00
  than just having everything just be like.
• 1:27:02
  Okay, all trinkets are just basically stat sticks now.
• 1:27:07
  Yeah, but I mean there's a number of things in there.
• 1:27:10
  There's the entire thing where Mastery used to affect all
• 1:27:14
  things of a particular type. So like, oh, if you do fire
• 1:27:18
  damage, right, your master, you will improve your fire damage.
• 1:27:21
  So, a trinket that did a, that it did a fire damage, proc would
• 1:27:24
  be great with that kind of Mastery.
• 1:27:28
  But I think that the way to go about it would be that it says,
• 1:27:33
  if you do x amount of fire damage, right?
• 1:27:35
  All your attacks do. A bit of fire damage.
• 1:27:37
  And if you do x amount of fire damage, you get a proc.
• 1:27:40
  Well, if you are a warrior, you're not going to be doing
• 1:27:43
  much fire damage. If you're a frosty K, you're not
• 1:27:46
  going to be doing much fire damage.
• 1:27:48
  But if you're a fire Mage, right?
• 1:27:51
  That trinket is going to proc way more frequently for you.
• 1:27:55
  And I think that might be things that they could do, but they
• 1:27:58
  have to be careful about it. Hmm.
• 1:28:01
  Yeah, for sure for sure. But I mean the, the design
• 1:28:05
  iteration of the expansion and where it's at, I think I think
• 1:28:08
  I'm, I think I'm actually happy with, with the way that the
• 1:28:12
  specs have turned out. If you play Guardian Druid, I
• 1:28:16
  apologize. I'm not talking to you directly.
• 1:28:21
  But I think for the, for the most part, like the, like I've
• 1:28:25
  spent some time in the beta this week and taking a look at a lot
• 1:28:31
  of the classes and seen seen the talent trees and where they are.
• 1:28:35
  And while there is still a lot of not yet implemented elements
• 1:28:39
  to the talent trees still, I think, I think the talent trees
• 1:28:44
  are still in a pretty good place design-wise.
• 1:28:47
  So I I think, I think I'm okay with it.
• 1:28:49
  Like my, my initial reaction And also also four-letter.
• 1:28:53
  Word of though. I didn't type it out.
• 1:28:56
  I think it was in. I was in a voice call with a
• 1:28:59
  friend and like was reading that out loud and was just yeah
• 1:29:04
  didn't have didn't have the greatest reaction but but I
• 1:29:08
  think I think having having some time to think about it and
• 1:29:12
  hearing hearing your rationalization has also helped
• 1:29:15
  me to like realize it's actually actually in a good place and
• 1:29:21
  not. Not not terrible.
• 1:29:23
  Like I initially thought it was. So I hope that the second part
• 1:29:28
  of it, that there is going to be changed consistently throughout
• 1:29:31
  the expansion that they will dress things consistently
• 1:29:33
  throughout the expansion is not just true for talent trees.
• 1:29:37
  But for all aspects of the game, I want that to be a change in
• 1:29:41
  their philosophy. In general, that they will make
• 1:29:45
  adjustments. If things are important, I don't
• 1:29:48
  want this sunken cost fallacy that they seem to get Alton.
• 1:29:52
  Well, people have already spent all their time on locking it.
• 1:29:55
  So we don't want to change it. I guess.
• 1:29:57
  We're stuck with this garbage for another 12 weeks while we
• 1:30:02
  wait for the next season to start.
• 1:30:04
  It's like now now refund, everybody change the thing.
• 1:30:07
  Like, just don't and hopefully with loot being little bit.
• 1:30:13
  Less RNG with some deterministic ways of making adjustments, and
• 1:30:20
  with the power being More internalized with the player and
• 1:30:24
  not these external power sources like the shards of domination
• 1:30:29
  and such, they won't feel like they are so stuck in like, if
• 1:30:34
  there is something going poorly with frost decays and they can
• 1:30:40
  change that Talent. Well, people can either say,
• 1:30:43
  okay, well this Talent isn't over performing or this
• 1:30:47
  underperforming Talent is now a viable and spend six seconds.
• 1:30:51
  When they log in to change a talent rather than oh my
• 1:30:54
  goodness, the weeks and weeks of farming have gone to waste.
• 1:30:57
  So that's what I think the talent trees should enable,
• 1:31:01
  let's just hope that that is what happens.
• 1:31:03
  Yeah, here here with that said, that's going to do it for us
• 1:31:07
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• 1:31:11
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