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Patriots Unfiltered 4/2: League Meeting Leftovers, League/Draft Updates, Offseason Topics · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking on the screen on NFL Network now the
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  Speaker 4: coach's photo, which is amazing.
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  Speaker 5: How every year it gets dissected and analyzed.
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  Speaker 3: This is worse than the schedule release.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Rabel was front and center with his legs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's taking a lot of space up man spreading.
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  Speaker 6: Jess came with me on Sunday to the draft party
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  Speaker 6: and she was like, watching you interact with Dante's Barnekio
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  Speaker 6: was something else.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't as good as when he called Jenny Dell
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  Speaker 1: old to her face though.
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  Speaker 5: That was Yeah, you called her old.
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  Speaker 6: Well, like accidentally she came up to me and introduced herself.
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  Speaker 6: I'd never met her before that you look old, like.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like the auditor probably will be the one
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  Speaker 6: that falls because of the inexperience with that name.
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  Speaker 7: Right off, Like he didn't even think about it, and
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  Speaker 7: they know Vera Tucka.
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  Speaker 3: I'm out on a team. It's not we you are
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  Speaker 3: on this.
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  Speaker 4: I wish get paid by the same people that pay them.
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  Speaker 4: You're on the team, Paul, No, I'm not definitely. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna stop catching those checks.
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  Speaker 6: Last week, Barth goes, well, we're gonna do special teams, right,
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  Speaker 6: And I was like, I wasn't planning on it, to
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  Speaker 6: be honest with you. And so tomorrow, well we're doing
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  Speaker 6: special teams.
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  Speaker 5: Do tune in for that.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 5: at Jillette Stadium. The gang's all here.
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  Speaker 4: Evan, Paul, Me, Deuce, Alex, Matt and Alex in the
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  Speaker 4: booth talking Patriots, talking whatever on this Thursday, another rainy
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  Speaker 4: Thursday in Foxborough. Are we ever gonna really have like
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  Speaker 4: some consecutive days? We're gonna we can't stack Sundays? You know,
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  Speaker 4: I'd like to stack some Sundays, but we can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: No, you get some yard work building up.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I am have a lot of outdoor work I
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  Speaker 5: need to do.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta do a burn. I'm kind of intimidated.
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  Speaker 5: Oh your first burn?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's been wingering for about different things five years
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  Speaker 9: social media.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure you have your hose near Oh I know.
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  Speaker 8: No.
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  Speaker 9: I talked to the fire the fire guy in town,
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  Speaker 9: and I was like, I'm scared because I did burn
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  Speaker 9: down two acres.
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  Speaker 1: Of forrest as a child. This is a story. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on here? I'm a fire bandit No, we
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  Speaker 1: burned down. Well, it's in the woods.
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  Speaker 9: A friend of mine and I we used to go
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  Speaker 9: out in the woods, used to play a little paintball
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  Speaker 9: out there.
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  Speaker 1: We got and hang out. Nothing nefarious, weren't drinking or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. Promise.
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  Speaker 6: We went out in April vacation. We found this this old.
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  Speaker 9: Log cabin that we kind of fixed up a little bit.
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  Speaker 9: I say log cabin. It's a rectangle of logs. It
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  Speaker 9: was probably a hunting lodge at some point. And you know,
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  Speaker 9: in between Millic and Holliston and middle of April, things
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  Speaker 9: pretty dry. So we had this giant metal canister. We
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  Speaker 9: were you know, had a little fire going, and all
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  Speaker 9: of a sudden, like the back of the cabin caught
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  Speaker 9: and I was like, oh, this isn't good.
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  Speaker 1: And the whole thing like went up and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god.
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  Speaker 9: So I had my little dirt bike at the time,
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  Speaker 9: this nineteen seventy seven Trail seventy and like my friend
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  Speaker 9: hops on the back, weren't like me, Like I'm like,
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  Speaker 9: you know, I'm like John Connor and Terminator two flying
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  Speaker 9: through the woods like And it was the first time
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  Speaker 9: I ever dropped the F bomb to my mom because
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  Speaker 9: she's like looking up and like what's going on out
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  Speaker 9: in the woods, And I like.
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  Speaker 1: Flipped the motorcycles on.
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  Speaker 9: I'm like, call the heaf and fire department, and so
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  Speaker 9: she's like, well, hold on, hold on, let's let's call dad,
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  Speaker 9: and my.
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  Speaker 6: Dad's over it, Like let's call my Dad's my dad's
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  Speaker 6: in a soccer.
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  Speaker 9: Game with my sisters and he can see the smoke
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  Speaker 9: from across the town. So he comes over, like, we'll
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  Speaker 9: go out there.
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  Speaker 1: We got it.
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  Speaker 9: So we have like a shovel, a hoe, you know,
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  Speaker 9: maybe like a rake, like we had like three random
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  Speaker 9: pieces and we walk out and by this point the
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  Speaker 9: cabin has burned. The fire is spreading out and you'd
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  Speaker 9: go to like try to put it out and it
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  Speaker 9: would just right back up.
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  Speaker 1: So we had to call the fire department.
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  Speaker 9: And there were three I think was Millis Holliston and
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  Speaker 9: maybe one more.
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  Speaker 1: All came out into the woods, and I mean they
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  Speaker 1: loved it. They were all throwing through the woods. We
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  Speaker 1: got to put it all out and stuff.
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  Speaker 6: So I had to go to the fire department get
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  Speaker 6: yelled out a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's mine, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, So that's another story.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm worried.
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  Speaker 9: So now you can see why I'm concerned that I'm
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  Speaker 9: going to light a fire about fifty feet from my
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  Speaker 9: house and yeah, probably burn it down.
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  Speaker 1: So absolutely I.
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  Speaker 4: Have not at this house, but in my past house
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  Speaker 4: I not. You can't burn leaves up to you can
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  Speaker 4: burn eight in shrubs and branches and stuff. But I
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  Speaker 4: also need to burn some old fencing. Yeah pick it fencing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: kind of light it.
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  Speaker 5: Up rather than bring it to that.
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  Speaker 1: Never done that, No, I'm scared.
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  Speaker 2: Am I would pose your house down first?
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  Speaker 5: I know. Yeah. Just make sure you have water nearby.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I'll be And then make sure when
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  Speaker 4: you're done that you really soak it.
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  Speaker 9: Oh yeah yeah, well it's kind of next to a swamps.
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  Speaker 9: I think we'll be all right, but I still just
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  Speaker 9: a terrified. What do you burn it fire with logs
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  Speaker 9: and sticks and stuff? That It's been a pile since
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  Speaker 9: we moved in at the previous owner has had and
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  Speaker 9: I've kind of just continued to add to it, and
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  Speaker 9: I'm like, at some point I gotta do it, but
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  Speaker 9: it has to be a very specific set of circumstances.
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  Speaker 9: On the day of that you can get the fire
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  Speaker 9: prim and you know, they let you burn it and
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  Speaker 9: all that stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes some towns are more strict than others.
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  Speaker 9: But I can't do a well training fret. So that's
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  Speaker 9: what that's where my mind went to immediately my burn.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, well there you go. There's your headline for today,
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  Speaker 4: and the show is often running deuce.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't expect that pyromania.
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  Speaker 9: Only you right, don't go smoke, don't yeah, especially in April,
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  Speaker 9: very dry, be careful.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So what do we got anything? Anything new?
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  Speaker 4: You know, the owner's meetings are done. Everyone's back from that.
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  Speaker 4: Things are kind of quiet, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I saw a little thing I thought was interesting, Adam
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  Speaker 9: Schefter reporting that that the way they came up with
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  Speaker 9: the two teams is that everybody keeps going, oh, we'll
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  Speaker 9: do it next year for hard knocks, and that the
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  Speaker 9: Patriots like, we'll do it next year. And they're like, Okay,
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  Speaker 9: you're in next year, and they just kind of backed
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  Speaker 9: them into it.
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  Speaker 1: That was what Adam Schefter was reporting. So yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 4: That probably now that ESPN is part of the NFL network,
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  Speaker 4: they've merged that ESPN probably put fresh on. We want
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  Speaker 4: a little commitment going forward, you know, like every year.
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  Speaker 4: We don't want to have to be twisting arms.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: So yeah, I mean the article I read, they also
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  Speaker 9: just talked about the Buffalo bills. One went out with
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  Speaker 9: a whimper last year and everybody said it was just
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  Speaker 9: completely vanilla fluff, and Schefter saying I think they're hoping
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  Speaker 9: that maybe they can.
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  Speaker 1: Revive it a little bit.
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  Speaker 9: How would you revive Like, you got to give real access,
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  Speaker 9: You got to show real stuff that's going to move
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  Speaker 9: the needle in.
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  Speaker 4: What's your three point plan of reviving hard knots?
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  Speaker 9: All right, show guys getting cut, No more about the
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  Speaker 9: families at home trying to like make do during the
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  Speaker 9: summer without that.
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  Speaker 1: We get it, we know it's hard, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: let's stay on.
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  Speaker 6: Foot our husband who's making tens of million.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like they're going to war sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 6: It's like it. You know, the families at home get
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  Speaker 6: neglected for a little it but in their mansions. So
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  Speaker 6: I think you got to show hard conversations.
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  Speaker 9: You got to show them trashing a player, like maybe
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  Speaker 9: you don't know who it is, or you know, you
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  Speaker 9: have to the real conversations that happen behind the scenes
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  Speaker 9: that we all know. They go home after the training
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  Speaker 9: camp practices, the coaches sit around a table and everybody
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  Speaker 9: goes around and says, this is how my position group
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  Speaker 9: is doing. I want to hear some good but I
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  Speaker 9: want to hear some bad too. I want to hear
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  Speaker 9: you know, maybe you can't get specific, but that's the
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  Speaker 9: stuff that's real that they haven't shown you anymore.
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  Speaker 4: How do you do that without, you know, either offending
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  Speaker 4: existing players or giving up state secrets.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, they got to show players getting cut. I know
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  Speaker 6: that stinks, and I know, but that's the business. And
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  Speaker 6: those are the most like raw moments of the old
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  Speaker 6: versions of Hard Knocks or unfortunately players coming in and
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  Speaker 6: finding out the news. And it stanks for the players
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  Speaker 6: and it's probably a little embarrassing, but that if you
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  Speaker 6: want it to be good in compelling television, you build
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  Speaker 6: up the fringe roster guys throughout the season of the
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  Speaker 6: show and then you find out at the end whether
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  Speaker 6: they made it or not, and that that was that
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  Speaker 6: was sort of the tension that would build with it.
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  Speaker 6: I think the other thing that, you know, I always
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  Speaker 6: think that the best one ever was the Jets with
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  Speaker 6: Rex Ryan, and so the personality of the Yeah, the
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  Speaker 6: personality of the coach matters, and so picking Rabel is
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  Speaker 6: a pretty good one, you know. I think that that
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  Speaker 6: you know, he has that kind of personality that that
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  Speaker 6: year with the Jets. Darrell Reeves was in a contract
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  Speaker 6: holdout as well, so that was like a big theme.
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  Speaker 6: So just like things like that that I think are if.
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  Speaker 4: I was Films and Slash ESPN, my thing would be,
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  Speaker 4: you will have final approval, but we have to film
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  Speaker 4: everything everything, and then we're going to go through it
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  Speaker 4: and you're gonna final You'll get the final approval.
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  Speaker 5: We have to have access to everything.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and do they not know now there's some rooms,
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  Speaker 4: there's some meetings and rooms that they don't I.
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  Speaker 3: Was always under the impression that they did film everything.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that.
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  Speaker 3: They just have to like everything gets cut.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it's there's plenty of great stories
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  Speaker 9: and drama going on behind the scene, and I think
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  Speaker 9: you all the amount of access we've gotten over the years,
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  Speaker 9: you're aware of the drama and the interesting conversations that
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  Speaker 9: are happening, and when they're not shown and you're spending
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  Speaker 9: more time on you know, the kid at home and
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  Speaker 9: the wife trying to you know, it's it's repetitive.
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  Speaker 1: Want the owner football.
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  Speaker 4: I want owner, I want GM, I want coaches, players obviously,
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  Speaker 4: but I want everybody.
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  Speaker 7: I just think it's circumstantial. I think there's some years
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  Speaker 7: where the same team, same people can be far more
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  Speaker 7: compelling than others. YEA stories develop, you know, the Gerard
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  Speaker 7: Meo year, I think would have been a fascinating hard
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  Speaker 7: Knocks with the whole Matthew.
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  Speaker 10: Jud and him on the side of the field at
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  Speaker 10: training camp, clearly super animated, like yeah, you got to
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  Speaker 10: play up the drama.
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  Speaker 2: That's what people are too.
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  Speaker 3: No, Like, that's to me ready made for a television.
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  Speaker 9: Taking over for Bill Belichick, you know, like the drama
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  Speaker 9: of that, and then this hard decision said I'd have
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  Speaker 9: been made establishing your own program, Like there's a lot
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  Speaker 9: of story there.
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  Speaker 7: I do agree with f though the personality of the
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  Speaker 7: coach matters, and I think Rabel will be better than
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  Speaker 7: most yea.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And the people on the coaching staff, like the one
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  Speaker 6: they did with the Browns, I think it was early on.
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  Speaker 6: I think it was to fan. It might have been
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  Speaker 6: Hugh Jackson. Jackson and the offensive line coach became.
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  Speaker 2: Every time he had his stomach yeah.
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  Speaker 6: You know, and then he did like that He's talking
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  Speaker 6: about the the way that they stretch and he was like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, we fought two World Wars on push ups,
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  Speaker 6: sit ups and jumping Jackson, what are these?
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  Speaker 3: Like, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 6: And like, you know, like those are the people that
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  Speaker 6: like the characters.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and the Lions one I remember Aaron Glenn and
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  Speaker 9: was it d Daley?
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  Speaker 6: Was that the running back coach and they were we
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  Speaker 6: hated each other each other, repetitive.
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  Speaker 9: But you know there there are certainly moments that have
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  Speaker 9: stood out over the years. But I think to create
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  Speaker 9: and you know, to get back to what it is like,
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  Speaker 9: take us inside the football stuff, show us the hard conversations.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well we'll see how Seattle work works out.
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  Speaker 6: And we just fixed that for you.
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  Speaker 5: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, probably, I mean it's gotta be the first time
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  Speaker 9: a Super Bowl champion has ever been on it, I
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  Speaker 9: mean coming off probably, yeah, because a playoff one. So
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  Speaker 9: I think that there's some interest in that. How do
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  Speaker 9: you you know? For me, I love the coaches stuff,
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  Speaker 9: But how does Mike McDonald frame things and how does he,
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  Speaker 9: you know, get his team ready to go after winning
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  Speaker 9: the Super Bowl. It's not an easy thing to do
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  Speaker 9: keep guys motivated.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, all right, So there's that anything else, Just wrap.
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  Speaker 8: It up, all right.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just looking at Kirk Cousins on NFL Network.
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  Speaker 7: The absolute m VP of the business of football is
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  Speaker 7: everybody tweets every time he signs the contract or change
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  Speaker 7: his teams. Do you realize he's made these You're going
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  Speaker 7: to be the second highest paid guy of all time.
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  Speaker 7: He's going to pass Brady with this contract? Much respect,
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  Speaker 7: how many good much?
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  Speaker 1: How many played?
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  Speaker 11: He?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's been a decent player, but he shouldn't be
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  Speaker 7: anywhere near the conversation of highest Well, for a while.
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  Speaker 5: He was living off those franchise tags, right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's how it started, right, Yeah, that's how he
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  Speaker 7: started making the big bucks.
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  Speaker 10: Absolutely, he's also, isn't he super frugal, like he drives
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  Speaker 10: a minivan and in the off season.
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  Speaker 6: In laws and he just puts his pants on.
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  Speaker 10: I just love the idea of like him and Fernando
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  Speaker 10: Mendoza to total choir boys in Sin City, Like just
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  Speaker 10: the juxtaposition, and that's really funny to me.
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  Speaker 6: I just don't a good point entirely know from a
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  Speaker 6: football standpoint what the Raiders are doing exactly, but I
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  Speaker 6: do agree with Alex that personality wise, it feels like
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  Speaker 6: a fit. But like Mendoza is as polished of a
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  Speaker 6: quarterback prospect as you can get, so like he's not sitting.
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  Speaker 6: They're not gonna They're not gonna do that thing.
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  Speaker 1: Whe's to Kobe Brissett.
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  Speaker 6: There's no way, there's no way that that Kirk Cousins
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  Speaker 6: is better in camp than Fannana Mendoza. There's no chance, zero, really,
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  Speaker 6: zero point zero.
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  Speaker 5: Why do you say that?
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  Speaker 6: Because kirk Cousins is just not the same guy he
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  Speaker 6: has been in Mendoza are good. I mean, you're talking
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  Speaker 6: like I I just I don't see the point of
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  Speaker 6: this if I'm the Raiders, other than if you think
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  Speaker 6: that kirk Cousins is going to be some great mentor
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  Speaker 6: to Fernanda Mendoza, which maybe he might be the Maybe
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  Speaker 6: they might be kindred spirits, they might get along great,
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  Speaker 6: they might have a good relationship, all that stuff, But
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  Speaker 6: football wise, I don't really get it.
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  Speaker 4: Is Mendoza healthy right now? He didn't finish the season
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  Speaker 4: with something that was going.
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  Speaker 6: On and play championship national championship.
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  Speaker 5: I know, I know, but he wasn't playing through anything.
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  Speaker 7: No, Okay, is there not a possibility that the Raiders
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  Speaker 7: just get him in camp and they just think he's
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  Speaker 7: just not ready yet?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Is that not like a possibility? So instead of starting
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  Speaker 7: a guy who you don't think is ready, you maybe
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  Speaker 7: give him a few, you know, a few extra weeks.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, we all know he's going to be the
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  Speaker 7: starting quarterback this year. Yeah, he's not going to sit
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  Speaker 7: for a whole year. But is it not possible that
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  Speaker 7: they don't feel like he's ready and anything is possible.
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  Speaker 1: And he comes in as a willing partner, then why not?
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  Speaker 12: Right?
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  Speaker 6: Well, but he wasn't a very willing partner for no
• 14:27
  Speaker 6: I know, but that was.
• 14:28
  Speaker 7: A completely different situation. They signed him to be the starter,
• 14:32
  Speaker 7: and then two months later they drafted the guy that
• 14:35
  Speaker 7: they wanted to replace.
• 14:36
  Speaker 6: Him with I understand, but he's now going to be
• 14:39
  Speaker 6: signed to a twenty million dollar contract for one year.
• 14:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, not really if you read the stuff, but give
• 14:46
  Speaker 7: me that's exactly one point three million salary.
• 14:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because there's because there's offset money with Atlanta.
• 14:53
  Speaker 7: Right, So the Raiders got basically a guy for eleven
• 14:57
  Speaker 7: point three million to be a veteran backup.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: And if they need him to play, he can play.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: They're not going to go long term with him.
• 15:03
  Speaker 7: Maybe maybe he plays two games, you know, just to
• 15:06
  Speaker 7: give him a little time.
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: His cousins is okay with it.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 15:09
  Speaker 7: And again, the difference between Atlanta and this is he
• 15:12
  Speaker 7: goes in with his eyes wide open.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: I'm here to help this.
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: Kid, right.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: He didn't do that in Atlanta, right, I'm going to
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: Atlanta to help Michael Pennick.
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: That wasn't the circumstances. This is different. Like you said,
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: he knows what's going on. They're gonna draft this guy first,
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: he's gonna play.
• 15:26
  Speaker 7: Now he can't play anymore. I agree with Evan on
• 15:28
  Speaker 7: that he's a five hundred guy. I mean, if he plays,
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: he's gonna go five hundred.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: That's basically what he's done the last three years.
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: It's just been a very odd offseason for the Raiders.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: All the way down to lot of strange stuff Max.
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: Crosby trade, following through some of the free agents' money
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: that they spending spree that they went on. Mendoza reportedly
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: is already learning the playbook and already has the playbook,
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: and like it's not this is a shore fire thing.
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: And like Kirk Cousins is a is a backup quarterback
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: even at this stage, that has some name wreckor and
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: has some cachet, that's not you're not signing, you know,
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: a guy that's never had any success in the league,
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: Like this is a I wouldn't.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: Look at the signing of Cousins as incompetence. I would
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: look at it.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: I just don't know how.
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying it's incompetent. I'm saying that, but what
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: are we doing here?
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: Like you know, like if they don't know what they're doing,
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: they're incompetent.
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: So you know, who else wanted them for the same
• 16:24
  Speaker 7: thing is the Rams. It's a team that's pretty competent,
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: right right. They wanted them for the same reason.
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: I think the Rams is a different situation. The Rams
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: are looking at it like, if Stafford were to get hurt, potentially,
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: then our season wouldn't go up in flames. If we
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: had to turn to Kirk.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: Guy ready, then at least maybe we can get off
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: five hundred for when he's ready.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I like, all right, whatever.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think. Yeah, I mean the Raiders are obviously
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: in major rebuilding mode.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: But more importantly, their minority owner was at the Celtics
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: game last night in Miami.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: Right which.
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: In whatever Guy mis Patrick, he was, Oh, I forgot
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: they were in Miami.
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: I wonder who he was rooting for.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just a family.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: He's a Miami resident.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: So NBA action last night with his son, My god.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Talk about a lack of efforts.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Celtics scored one hundred and forty points. That you
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: gave up one hundred and fifty.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: They didn't even get in the way.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: They had fifty three points in the first quarter.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: What effort right there?
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: Heat they got it down to like, but Celtics.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: Were hitting everything. It was unbelievable. Speaking of quarterbacks that
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: aren't on the Patriots, Jalen Hurts in the Eagles, that
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: situation is getting a little Harry.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Continues to be smoked from that whole situation, which.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: Didn't really care for that either.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, just it sounds what do you mean.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Why do you think the Patriots are going to acquire
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: a J.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Brown?
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Because that's why he's been.
• 18:00
  Speaker 10: On Well that was always that was always my like
• 18:03
  Speaker 10: red flag with a J.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Brown?
• 18:04
  Speaker 10: Like, why do you want to leave the Eagles? Seems
• 18:06
  Speaker 10: like a good situation. Oh okay, maybe now I get it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 9: It seems temperamental, But I so who's the problem, hurts
• 18:12
  Speaker 9: are Brown?
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: It depends to you as Nick Sirianni and the Eagles, Like,
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: I just feel like it's very odd to throw your
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: star quarterback under the bus like that art if that's the.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Case, because yeah, the rumors are that this is emanating
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: from the Eagles.
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: I mean it says all over the article that it's
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: team sources people within the building and philto.
• 18:33
  Speaker 10: The detail of that opening the opening couple paragraphs of
• 18:37
  Speaker 10: that story, like how many people could that have been
• 18:39
  Speaker 10: leaking this to Jeremy Fowler.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: It just it's not It's an odd move. And I
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: think that Jalen hurts there. They think that he needs
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: a kick in the ass to try to diversify and
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: go outside his compt zone. And they might be right,
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: but to like leak it all to Jeremy Fowler like
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: that and have his whole expos published basically taking down
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: your star quarterback that just won you a Super Bowl
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: two years ago.
• 19:03
  Speaker 9: Has there been a more precipitous decline from a Super
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: Bowl champion to like this point right now where you're
• 19:09
  Speaker 9: kind of pointing at him and saying he's a problem
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: for us.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I mean two years ago, at this point he was
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: kind of a darling.
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: I mean, I didn't go back to that flag football
• 19:16
  Speaker 9: thing where Brady's playing. Then all of a sudden, Jalen
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: Hurts is out there, like and there's Jalen Hurts like this.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: I just want to, like they say, NFL not for long.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he played well in both Super Bowls, Like they
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: didn't win the first one, but he played really well
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: in that game. And I don't know the end, not
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: how I would handle it, Like why played?
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: No?
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: You need this guy?
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: I mean, you know, are you gonna you risking completely
• 19:40
  Speaker 9: alienating alienating him?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: This has been something that's been going on for how
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: long now?
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: I mean how long? I mean this whole past season.
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: It felt like they were fingers being pointed at him,
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: and even into the year before right like they were
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: kind of at a crossroads.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Like Jalen Hurt's kind of on that sy I don't
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: like Jalen Hurt.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, is he kind of.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: A quiet, stubborn guy.
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: I mean that's the impression the article would give you, Yeah,
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: about quiet, But he's I.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: Think as a thrower he's limited, and I think there's
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: there's As a passer, there's only certain things that he
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: feels comfortable doing. You know, like historically, he's not somebody
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: that likes to throw the ball to the middle of
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: the field, especially the intermediate middle, and so teams just
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: know their offense is just we're gonna throw go balls
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: on the outside to AJ Brown and DeVante Smith and
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: that's sort of their They're the majority of their passing plays.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: And so when you start to get tape out there
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: and these defensive coordinators sink their teeth into it. He's
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: just been a little bit slow to adapt to some
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: of the things that the league has adapted to him.
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: And I would also say his his rushing for whatever reason,
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: has declined and he's not the runner that he was
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: when he came out of college and early on in
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: his Eagles career, So I think that that all plays
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: the factor in it. But these stories come out, you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: the same thing happened last offseason with Caleb Williams, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: there was a takedown piece about Caleb Williams and his
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: rookie season with the Bears, and then Caleb Williams takes
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: the Bears to the playoffs and wins a playoff game
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: with a competent head coach the next year. So it
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: just maybe it works, like maybe that was motivation for
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: Caleb Williams. Maybe they they hit the right buttons and
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: struck the right chords. But it's just a weird thing
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: to do.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: The league released some rule changes or suggestions the other day.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: One of them is on side kick. Now you can
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: ask to do that at any time during the game.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, what did I missed?
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: But before, what was it before? You could only do
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: it in the fourth quarters.
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Okay, it's kind of irrelevant because you can't do
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: it in the first quarter. In surprise anybody. You have
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: to declare I'm doing an onside kick, So it's completely irrelevant.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: There's no more same Super Bowl rise on sidekick.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: Right, that was one of them. What else? What else
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: are they talking about?
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: They're gonna have like, uh, well, this one I thought
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: was weird. If they have a referee hold out and
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: they have to use replacement referees, they're going to allow
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: the situation room to correct clear and obvious fouls. I'm
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: not so sure why it matters whether they're they're they're
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: the full time refs or they're the replacement refs. Right,
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: shouldn't we just do that? Anyways?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: They don't.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: They know they.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: Eye in the sky will sometimes nap down and say, hey,
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: let's move the butt.
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: I think they're going to involved I guess didn't they
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: do like penalties too?
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this is like what a lot of people have
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: been pushing for.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Clear and obvious fouls. Yeah, clear and obvious they did.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: It used to be like that, Yeah, they could do
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: like no, no, no, no, you guys called that a catch.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: He clearly didn't catch it, just overturn it. So holding
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I think they said fouls, Okay, it says.
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: Clear and obvious as Paul quote, including fouls for roughing
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: the past or intentional grounding or just qualification past like that.
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: What else you got just qualification consultation. League personnel in
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: New York can now consult with on field officials regarding
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: player rejections, receiving team alignment, modification of the kickoff alignment
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: requirements in the setup zone to increase returns. So they're
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: continuing to try to grow, say what it.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Is not here? No, but I've seen that a couple
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: different times. I'm not sure exactly what it is.
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: Less you we got nothing in terms of you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: dramatic changes, no rule changes.
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: Or earlier practice for PEP players.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Well, they did.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: They they're going to fix that one where if you
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: end up kicking from the fifty. Yeah, they're going to
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: fix that so that you don't get incentive to kick
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: it out of balance.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, yeah, there's talks of that. The pup thing,
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: I guess is just relevant to know when that time
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: comes of that time of year with the pup guys.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: I think it's two weeks now, right that it's it
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: used to be four, Now it's two that you can
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: activate guys off pup.
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: Right, Well, I think you can practice practice. I thought
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: it was your good stuff and practice.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Practice after this team's second regular season game.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you can kind of it, so it's kind
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: of another nothing.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: I thought it was that they were looking to allow
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: them to come back. Okay, so then it really doesn't matter.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: But there was a proposal by the Browns to extend
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: how far out you could trade draft picks, and that
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: I guess fell flat.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Well they tried, they took it away. Yeah, because they
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: didn't do it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: There wasn't enough traction for it, I assuming, so not
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: a not a whole lot.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, well eight five five pasts five hundred
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: is the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: email address. Let's get right into it. We'll start with
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Herm in d C.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: What's up, Herming?
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: Hey, I think i'll listen to when you got the
• 24:59
  Speaker 13: break down yesterday and you guys are doing tight ends
• 25:03
  Speaker 13: what next week?
• 25:05
  Speaker 14: Uh?
• 25:05
  Speaker 13: Yep, Okay, I'm definitely looking forward to that because, uh,
• 25:10
  Speaker 13: I know you specifically dudes, you really love I'll see
• 25:14
  Speaker 13: Kenya Sadik, right. But for me, I feel like, and
• 25:20
  Speaker 13: I'm trying to look this up yesterday, I don't remember
• 25:22
  Speaker 13: a tighter the stars being you know, I guess like
• 25:27
  Speaker 13: a superstar maybe maybe Shannon Shark who's out around, maybe
• 25:30
  Speaker 13: like the six two range. So I guess my question
• 25:34
  Speaker 13: is this, what is the case against uh Sam Rouse?
• 25:39
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 25:39
  Speaker 13: I mean the guys, I mean what six six? I'm
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: a you know, basket player myself, so maybe I've gractate
• 25:45
  Speaker 13: for like bigger guys, I mean him, And what is
• 25:48
  Speaker 13: this don Younger since like the same side, the one
• 25:51
  Speaker 13: place also going to play defense, right, so six six?
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: Uh what twitter six pounds? Relativeally? You know, little drop right,
• 26:00
  Speaker 13: I think seven drops and hedy targets last year, great
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: football family, Right, So I guess my over question is
• 26:11
  Speaker 13: what will be the case against picking Sam Rows? They
• 26:16
  Speaker 13: take a third route?
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Okay, thanks?
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: I mean just developmentally, he's gonna be moves the needle
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: in the passing game.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I think he's got blocking and he's yeah.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: I mean like there's no like he said, what's the
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: case against him? I don't mean to make a case
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: against him. Like if they drafted him in the third round,
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: I'd feel pretty good about that pick. So I'm not
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: saying that he's not a good player, good prospect, but
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: at two sixty five, he's a little clunky. The way
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: he moves at the top of the route. You know,
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: he's not a big time separator, I would say through
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: the top of the route because of that, uh, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: does some things at the top of the route technique wise,
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: it's going to have to be coached up. Uh. And
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: then the biggest thing I would say is his arm
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: length and his wingspan are historical aulliers, like historically bad
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: in terms of short arms, short wingspan. So you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: we're doing that whole thing again, but we all already
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: kind of know what that means as a blocker, right
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: in terms of his arm length and the stuff that
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: we talk about with arm lanes that tackle it tight
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: ends right next to the tackle, so it's all the
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: same kind of stuff. And then I would say the
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: arm length and the wingspan also contributes to his catch radius.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: And you know how big of a net he can
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: cast in terms of catching the football, especially over the
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: middle of the field. So he has like this like
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: sod Off frame where he's you know, got these short arms,
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: and so he's not one of these like you know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: Antonio Gates a basketball players that can just go up
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: and catch things over his head, especially in the red
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: zone and over the middle of the field. So there's
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: some limitations with him in terms of his body type
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: as well. But he's not a bad player or bad
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: prospect by any means. But that's why he's not talked
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: about as like a first round guy. And he's gonna
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: probably go somewhere in the middle of the draft.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: All right, sounds good? Tight ends next week, can't wait. Yep,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: that's in New Hampshire. What's up, Zach?
• 28:03
  Speaker 12: Hey, guys, thanks taking my call. I was just wondering,
• 28:06
  Speaker 12: what are your thoughts on Caden Proctor as a Patriot?
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: Obviously he's probably gonna go a little too high, but
• 28:11
  Speaker 12: you know, if he fell or if they traded up
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: for him, what do you think he'd be as a rookie?
• 28:15
  Speaker 12: And you know, could he beat out Moses or be
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: a good insurance policy behind him and behind Vera Tucker too.
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, really highly touted player, just you know
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: Alabama five star recruit, that type of guy. You know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: big dude, physical road grader, but you know he's raw,
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: especially in past protection. He's got some bad whiffs on
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: tape and pass protection. And you know, I don't know
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: where exactly he's going to go. You know, there's some
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: people that think he's a top twenty player in this draft.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: There's some people that aren't as high on him. So
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: all it takes is one team to fall in love
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: with the measurables, the size, the power that he plays with,
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: and all those things should translate. So he's he's you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: chiseled for the position. He's huge, he's got all the
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: requisite length and size and power and all that stuff.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: But I think the pass protection tape is a little
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: bit wonky, and that's why he's not considered like a
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: top ten talent. He kind of like never lived up
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: to it at Alabama. Like he he came to Alabama, obviously,
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: big time program, big time tackle. He does these things
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: where like they'll like flex him out wide and throw
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: him past it, like like that's the type of athlete
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: we're talking about here. But he never he kind of
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: didn't like hit that next level. He didn't you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: develop into that next level type of player that they
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: were hoping. They kind of thought he was going to be,
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: you know, the next big thing there and it kind
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: of fizzled out a little bit.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: All right, Well, thanks Zach, thanks for the call. Chris
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: from Naugatuck, Connecticut, Right sin, he says, I just want
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: to say that Fred looked like Wimp Sanderson on Tuesday Show.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Does anyone remember that guy.
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: Paul, former Alabama men's basketball coach, the plaid palace? Do
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: you have a plaid something on? I don't know know
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: I had a I don't remember what you were wearing.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: I kind of I had like a shirt, got some power?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, black guy? Uh wimp? Tough name.
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: Wim Sanderson Sanders long time Alabama head coach basketball not football.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: So okay, Mike is like, is that a sport?
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: So I look like websands?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Oh all right, that's old. But we're doing the offensive
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: line today as as Evan jumped in on Proctor.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: So that's our position review. We talk about the most
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: important position.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I thought it was receiver.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: See I don't want the title with a bunch of Jags.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: Dustin writes, and listening to the show Tuesday and then
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: listening to Catch twenty two has me in a spiral
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: when it comes to mock drafts. But honestly, I hope
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: they get a wide receiver with pick thirty one and
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: then go for edge in the second round since the
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: draft is deep with edge talent. Also, can we please
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: get in a person one uh one on one podcast
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: of Evan and Eldridge talking wide receivers. I think it'd
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: be great entertainment.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: We actually see Eye a lot on wide receivers most
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: of the time. He calls in and I'm like, no,
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: it was very I like you. I like that guy too,
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: Like we're good. Uh yeah, what was he saying before
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: the wide receiver thing? I I I published my rankings today,
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: so you can go check out those. But you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: there's those four guys are very enticing at thirty one, Boston,
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: Concepsio and Cooper Junior. You know those guys. Uh you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: I'm a Brasle guy. That be the fourth one. But
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: if they drafted one of those guys at thirty one,
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Something something just crashed falling down.
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: You and Eldrid doing a show, be like busting with
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: the boys up in the truck, like in the front
• 31:53
  Speaker 10: of Eldred's brig.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: Or maybe in the back. We could like set up
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: some film back there.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, then you know we could use the horn for transitions.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: You know, we'll incorporate the whole thing.
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: Like film trucking, trucking in film, something like that. Some
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: arm wrestling into will work on that over the top.
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: I don't think i'd win an arm wrestling so well.
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: I mean, if you're driving every day and you've got
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: a contraption where you can just work it while you're
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: you know, doing those long lines.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: So you can imagine arm wrestling one of my strong.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Suits, let's see.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Staying on the subject of Catch twenty two, Greg says
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: it's he has a Catch twenty two drinking game.
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we were talking about this yesterday.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: The game is drink every time a name gets mispronounced,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: be drunk by the end of most episodes, and hospitalized
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: by the time you guys quit saying Caleb Farley.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah that that.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: I listen. We talk about a lot of names on
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: that show, especially this time of year. We're gonna mispronounce
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: some names. We're gonna say some names poorly. It is
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: what it is like when you're rattling off two hours
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: where the draft prospects and you go through fifty guys
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: an episode. I'm not going to get everybody's name right.
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: I apologize.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I was working on an all night. Did that sound right?
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: No?
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: No, there's probably funnier bets that you and Alex have too,
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: that you could create a drinking game out of Yeah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: Yesterday somebody emailed it and said that they had created
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: a drinking game out of some of our crutches that
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: we say all the time, and I was genuinely curious.
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: I was like, email more of those in like, yeah, more,
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: but more. Do you guys hear me or something?
• 33:30
  Speaker 15: Yeah?
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: I want to know. And I don't know any of
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: you guys are How I Met your Mother fans, But
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: there's an episode off How I Met your Mother where
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: Robin is she's a TV anchor and she like has
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: like a phrase that she says all the time and
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: like they turn it into a drinking game.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you got me one.
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: I remember we were doing a couple of years ago
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: and you were calling Braden Fisk.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Fisky Fisky and I'm like what I thought that was
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: a pretty stick. That was just me then my head
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, is it Fisk? Did I am? I not?
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: I usually wait till we draft him, right and when
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: we take them then I learned good good.
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: We they're coworkers, So it's responsible of you to right
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: to yeah that out exactly.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: You know, I want to be able to know him
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: if I bump into them that's right, which has happened
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: never in twenty seven years.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: But Justin writes in at this point, I just live
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: to hear the next wild Do story. He's got an
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: interesting family history. He's an arsonist. Next we're going to
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: find out his secret life with the CIA and how
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: he was instrumental in finding been.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Like, I feel like I'm running out of him though,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you know, like I I don't know, I pull out a.
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: Gem like that, I'm like, oh, I have one that
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: I haven't told yet, but I think we all have.
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: Like my parents, my dad specifically tells a lot of
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: the same stories. So I live not to tell the
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: same stories over like I'm telling you the first time
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: and be like, I.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Know, dudes, yeah, your dad was totally like bubble. You know,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I don't want to repeat stories.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: Sure, I'm sure you have more stuff.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be topical. I don't even
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: th you.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Know what they are.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: And then you say yeah.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: Because every day he kind of just surprises me with
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: a new story. I'm like, wait, what yep, And that's
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: just him. Imagine like all the rest of his family,
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: the stories that they have.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uh.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Baron Poland talking about replay. We were talking about that Tuesday.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: He said, the replay argument is one of the most
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: stupid things people still argue about in sports when it
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: should be straightforward and baseball is either a strike or
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: it isn't. Yes, every hitter has a different zone, but
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: that zone is still defined. In soccer, football, you're either
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: offside or not. Football, a player is either in bounds
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: or not. Tennis, the balls are either in or out.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: If it's off by zero point one or so be it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: That's why I don't like the idea of only reviewing
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: egregious calls.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: What does egregious even mean?
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: For me?
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: A call can be egregious, and for Paul it may
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: not be. We're turning something objective into something subjective. If
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: we draw a line, let's say, at five centimeters, what
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: happens when it's four point nine to nine centimeters off.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: We're right back to arguing over tiny margins.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Anyway, I'm with.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Them to find what it is, and it either it
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: isn't or it is.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: I don't think that we're like talking about drawing a
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: line between centimeters here. I think the.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Same technology can can detect.
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: That, Okay, But the egregious.
• 36:23
  Speaker 10: For something to be egregious means it's like, not subjective,
• 36:26
  Speaker 10: it's blatantly obvious right to Me's.
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: An example of what's egregious the Saints Rams NFC championship game.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: That is an egregiously bad missed call that cost a
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: team a trip to a super Bowl most likely. Yeah,
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: so that is a call that in today's world, with
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: a million cameras pointed at the at the field all
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: the time, we should be able to correct on the fly.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: And it doesn't have to be this whole state of emergency.
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: You literally can just buzz down and say, hey, throw
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: a flag, you missed. You missed this call. Whether a
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: strike is half an inch off the plate or zero
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: point four of an inch is off the plate is
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: not what we're talking about. We're talking about things that
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: are blatantly just. You could be sitting and watching the
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: game at a bar and be like, that's blatant.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's blatant. Yeah, but I think he's talking about those.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: Those types of refereeing or umpire decisions that are based
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: on you know, where technology now is involved.
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just hard with blatant stuff
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: wherever you know that, all right, this is going to
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: stand and now this is all anyone's going to be talking.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: About, is how wrong this call was. That's that's what's hard.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: And that's why I think I'm all for the advancement
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: because I remember and everybody remembers growing up where critical
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: calls that were obvious to everyone just changed the game.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Let's get rid of those.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I think the issue is that it I think it's
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: created more problems.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: I think it's that slip slip.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: Felder told me to say.
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: That, because he tells me everything to say.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: I think it's a slippery thrope, isn't it?
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: And I think we're seeing that now where to Bart's email,
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: the the ball that's just a centimeter off the plate
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: is now going to review and being told So you.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Think it should be a strike if it's off the plate?
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: I I don't think that those are the things that
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: we all need to be bogged down by, right.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: And I don't think and if they do it right,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't be bogged down for me, Like I don't
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: know if I I would just do it like tennis,
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: like have the technology do it all the time.
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: Tennis is not subjective. The lines are there, right, A
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: baseball strike zone is subjective.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: It's different for every bat.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: But what I'm saying, no, it is, it's it's my
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Your strike zone is your strike zone.
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: But the batter, each individual batter is different. So you
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: could throw a pitch here to Aaron Judge and that's
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: a strike to Caleb Durban it's not right, and that's
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: from tennis. It doesn't change the lines.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Don't know, but all Perillo strike zone is defined, right, right,
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: is it?
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: You're right?
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I mean I don't like.
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: I just like I don't think it's it's the same.
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: Tennis is not the same as a baseball strike zone. No,
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: it is, in my opinion, But strike doesn't mean I'm right.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: But Paul Perillo strike zone can be defined right, No,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Why can't it.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: Be because it depends on how a guy is leaning. No,
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: it depends on how tall a guy is, shorter guy.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: We know how tall Paul Perilla is.
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: Okay, But but it's different for every batter. At my point,
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: it doesn't. It's not different from me tennis point and.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Mike Dussou gets in it's his strike zone and the
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: technology can adjust to that.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: But you are putting way more faith.
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: In the technology than I am. Maybe That's that's my
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: problem with it. I agree with everything Evan said, but
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: I don't want to say that because people don't like that.
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: Because there's a computer that tells you it's right, they're right.
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: You tell them that they're wrong, they're going to tell
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: you how wrong you are.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: I am putting faith in the technology.
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: I admit that I don't, and I think they get
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: a lot of crap wrong.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: And I think you keep working at it until you
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: get it right. But I think i'd rather have that
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: if I'm Paul Parillo getting up to the plate, I'd
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: rather know that it's going to be the same every
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: time I get up.
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: It took me the second game of the Red Sox
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: season for me to lose interest in the baseball season
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: with that nonsense.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: See, but they're not doing it the way I want
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: They're terrible, like the Red Sox.
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: No, like you mean it, like I don't want to
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: watch the second inning of you know, a two to
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: two pitch, you know, Like that's that's not why I
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: don't want sports.
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: I don't like the way they're doing it now either.
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: I don't watch sports so they can go to review
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: every freaking play.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I don't watch sports for that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: They I couldn't agree more. They saved baseball with the
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: pitch clock.
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: Yes, the fact that it was instead and they brought
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: it back and now they're going to end up with
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: another work stops.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: The fact that the page of the game picked up
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: so much brought me back to baseball. It brought us
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: back to me and just back to baseball, to watching
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: it because it didn't take four hours to get through
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: a game. Right now, we have to say, it's like
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: in football where you have to wait, is there is
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: there a flag? Is there a flag?
• 41:10
  Speaker 12: No?
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: Okay, celebrate right? And now baseball, is he challenging? Is
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: he challenging? Then he challenges, then I'll pass it takes
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: the helmet off, and then he's got to look behind him,
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: and then he's got to wait for the challenge.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: It's it's like it takes ten seconds.
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: Ten seconds, but I don't waste not watching anything.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: But in my way, it's there's no challenge. There's no challenge,
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: just like tennants, there's no challenging any.
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: If they could get it so that it was fast
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: enough for the game to.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: See, it'll be instant.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: That's fine.
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: And I don't think you're wrong because you like the
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: technology of it and you enjoy that aspect of it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: I hate, I don't.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I hate.
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: That's okay, Like it's okay that you like the technology
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: and that other people are thinking this is pushing the
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: games forward.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: I don't like where it's putting the games.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: What I hate is bad umpiring behind the plate.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I hate that.
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: But there's a but there's a difference. Been bad umpire
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: like C. B. Buckner the other day advocates and the
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: ball is a blade off the plate and he called
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: it a strike. That doesn't make the guy a bad umpire, No, you.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Know, like I'm not saying it does. But I also
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: like a pitcher who nips the corner to be rewarded.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good pitching, and you should get that.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Call, okay, but every time.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: But you can't in the bottom left corner and in
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: the top right corner, those both can't be strikes. If
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: it hits the plate, it is, it can't both be
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: a strike.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Then redefines what a strike is it?
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: But it is.
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: But we've been doing this for one hundred and fifty years,
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: where that's without technology.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is you can define the strike you
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: can correct what I'm saying.
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: You can correct what like how you're you're asking the
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: batter to cover the entire plate.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: If so, if that's impossible, then redefine the strike zone.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: They don't have to because umpires have just been calling
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: the strike zone the same way the whole time, and
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: so like, I think the difference is.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: But you're saying what you just said is not accurate,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: and I'll say differently, right, but they have like some
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: umpires have lower strikes sounds, sometimes have higher strikes sounds.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: As long as they're consistent with the call, then nobody.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Gets mad and they try, right are they pretty much?
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: It's human.
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: They do a pretty good job at balls and strikes
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: in Major League Baseball. I am an ump and ref
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: basher to the extreme. IB partner is incompetent. He doesn't
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: belong out there. One of the best things to happen
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: in baseball yesterday was him getting.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Nailed with a follow ball and knocked out again. He's okay.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Has anyone had a worse month than him?
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, really, it's a worst career.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: There's no there's no line of work that someone is incompetent,
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: as that would not have gotten fired.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Other than that, it's unbelievable.
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: But I will say this to your on your on
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: your side, that I think might happen to you. I
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: think that you'll see say like five years, ten years,
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: as the umpires go through and they like.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: You just this is the way you do. It's like
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Alex with social media.
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: This is just what she grew up with, so it's
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: second nature to her, as opposed to.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Me having to like sort of learn it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: These umpires will go through the minor leagues with the
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: ABS system and it'll be no big thing for them,
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: and by the time ten years goes by, there won't
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: be as much problem trying to differentiate Mary.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we like to Evans's point, some guy now who's
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: been doing it for fifteen twenty years who might have
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: a low strike zone, that won't be a thing in
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: ten years. You won't have a low strike zone or
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: a high strike zone. You'll learn what the computer calls
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: a strike and you'll adjust accordingly.
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: And when I say just let the computer call it, well,
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: I mean, Paul, are you saying that you think the
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: umps will then improve because they'll know how to work
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: in conjunction with that, and you'll.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: Use the word improved. Fred would use the word improve.
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: I would say, they'll just get used to it. I
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: don't think that would be for the better of the game, because,
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: as I said on Tuesday day, and again people don't
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: agree with me, the high outside pitch and the low
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: inside pitch can't both be strikes to the same guy.
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: Otherwise we're just going to have dominant pitching and no
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: one's ever going to get a hit because that's a
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: that's way too much plate to cover.
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: So is that the baseball thing is that that's a
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: that's a baseball specific that you can't what a strike
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: zone is.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: You're not going to get those calls.
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: Well, I don't understand why you're saying you can't call
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: those because I don't think it's.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Not over the plate in my opinion.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: Okay, so then make it that way.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: But now it's going to be over the plate. The
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: computer is am but.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: You control what the computer says.
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: If a pitcher is getting the low corner strike right,
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: and so then the batter has to adjust and know, okay,
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: that's the umpire is calling that a strike. If you
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: then give them the top of the zone is also
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: there's the plate coverage of the what the batter has
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: to cover, it's going to make it extremely difficult.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: But what you're saying is it's not the computer that's flawed.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: It's the strike zone that's so change. The strike zone.
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: Is you guys seem to know a lot about this
• 46:05
  Speaker 9: and I know nothing about it. And I just like
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: the strike but like I don't understand what like look
• 46:11
  Speaker 9: at Twitter.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: But sometimes and I and I get this.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: According to Paul, the strike zone is too big, so
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: there's too much area to cover for.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Any human being. No, no, no, no, I'm saying I
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: used That's what I'm hearing.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: I used an extreme example.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: I don't say first of all, this system is kind
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: of designed to help offense because and here's something that
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: is I don't know.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: We should we continue this?
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: Okay, No, sure, I don't know.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: People could tell us stuff.
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: I think one of the things that people are sort
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: of concerned about red Sox wise will bring it to Boston.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: Or they need just a swing of freaking bad.
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: They brought into two starting pitchers that are supposed to
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: be a big part of their rotation in Sunny Gray
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: and Ranger Suarez, neither one of which is necessarily considered
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: a power pitcher. They're guys that rely on painting the corners,
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: and it's harder to paint the corners now because if
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: you miss the corner by as Fred says, if you're
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: painting that corner, but you know, maybe like the brushstroke
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: didn't actually hit the the furthest edge, that's a ball now.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: That's a ball now.
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: So that forces guys that don't have the power stuff
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: to come over the plate. So the ABS system in
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: the minors has increased offense, and they think it will
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: help offense in the major leagues. I don't like it
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: because I think it's all artificial. I don't like the
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: artificial influence on the game.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: But that's just me.
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: It doesn't mean that I again I said this Tuesday.
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: It doesn't mean that I'm right, just because I don't
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: like the over officiousness of the ABS system. But I
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: do think it's probably gonna end up helping I mean
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: that sounds hypocritical to what I said about the I
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: used an example like extreme with the high and low
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: inside and outside. But overall, I think it's going to
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: be harder for pitchers who want to see if they
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: can expand the stripe zone when they're up in the
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: count to get strike three because it's not going to
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: get called.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: If it's off, it shouldn't be. But I think it
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: would also help them.
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: It'll just never saw any place where you're only allowed
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: to be one hundred percent right, like if you if
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: you miss one, like you should be excommunicated. Like it's like,
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: should they replace the picture with it with a robot.
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: I've seen.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: I've seen just as many times where the picture does
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: nip that corner and they call.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: It a ball.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: That's part of the game. That's what I'm saying. That's
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: the beauty of it.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: No, no, umpire being wrong is not the beauty of it.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: But you say he's wrong, it doesn't mean he is.
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: I also just think that like this is we're splitting
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: hairs here to like this is at any point this
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: is what made you not like baseball. I don't say that, okay,
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: so then why then what are we talking about?
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: I get frustrated he's been up at night wanted to
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: ball like she's that pitch was right on the corner.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I've always said that I never to blame everybody everything.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: I've always said this about balls and strikes. I hate
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: it when they get it wrong.
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: I have never once, and look I'm not I don't
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: want I watched the Red Sox. I don't watch other baseball.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: I'm not a baseball purist like that, but I have
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: never watched sat down and watched the Red Sox game
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: and just like been turned it off because of like
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: it was so egregiously bad. The strike zone was so
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: bad that I just couldn't take it. Like maybe like
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: once or twice a season, like the C. B. Buckner
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: thing would happen, but like that, that's very rare. Like
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: when we were watching the World Baseball Classic and the
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: Dominican the tournament ends for the Dominican on a play
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: a ball that's six inches off the plate that needs that, Yeah,
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: that is ridiculous, but half an inch.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: Like listen for me, if it happens one time where
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: my pitcher throws a strike and it's called a ball
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: ball four, that's enough for me.
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: I want that correct.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: I want my picture rewarded, and I also want my
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: batters protected against bad calls.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I want.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: But to me, it helps both sides. It helps the
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: picture and the batters.
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: I'm just not sure if it solved the problem. I
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: don't I don't know if it was a big enough
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: problem that needed solving to add such a this has
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: changed the game completely.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: And I go back to tennis, and I know it's
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: not the same thing. Tennis is a little bit more
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: cut and dry. But you know, when they instituted the hawkey,
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: at first you could challenge, so it wasn't you know,
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: you had to do the challenge. And now it's everything.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: And I think it's improved watching tennis so much. You know,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: like you don't have to worry about this idiot lines
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: person who just gets it wrong and there's there's nothing
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: you can do as a player until they brought in
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: this technology.
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I mean even listening to the broadcasts,
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: you know, for the first week of the season, is
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: he going to challenge? Is he not going to challenge?
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: Is you know, should he challenge?
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: Strategy?
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: It's everything right now.
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, they give a time, Can we just play
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: the game?
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: Oh you Curmudgeons, new technology.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: I agree with you on tennis. Yeah, yeah, but it's
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: it's finite.
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: It's right there. It's like it's either in or out.
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: But there's no line when the guy is up at bat.
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: But that's what a line to go.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: But I believe that Paul parillo strike zone will be
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Paul Parole's strike zone and it is just as cut
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: and dry as what Tennis will is.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Now, I don't think that, but that's okay.
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: It's interesting to be on the same side as Paul.
• 51:28
  Speaker 10: So does every up have with every batter in a
• 51:32
  Speaker 10: game that they're calling, they know every batter in the order,
• 51:35
  Speaker 10: like how to adjust their strike zones?
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: They just in their head, Well they're trying. No, they're
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: trying to figure that out.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, she's saying. Before the technology.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Right, oh yeah, you just look.
• 51:45
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean so to Fred's point, you could put
• 51:49
  Speaker 10: that into a system they have.
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: That's what this is.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: That's what this is, right, So what's I don't understand.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: I just think I just don't think it's the way
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: the game is supposed to we played. I think that
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to hit the ball.
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: With Tennis in the line like that, like in you know,
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: either on the line or inside like That's there's no
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: subjectivity to that.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: That's cut and dry. That's why the only.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: Reason is subjectivity to balls and strikes is because the
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: human eye can't do it.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I know it's good.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: I love the conversation.
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: It just comes back to me. I just didn't think
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: it fixed the problem. That was that big of a problem.
• 52:28
  Speaker 10: To give it a month, because I feel like I
• 52:30
  Speaker 10: agree with both of you and I just don't know, and.
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: I don't I just don't think that as a baseball fan,
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: I don't think I was like losing sleep over this
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: type of stuff.
• 52:38
  Speaker 10: I do, I do when it happens, but like what
• 52:40
  Speaker 10: happens when a pitcher is throwing a perfect game? And like,
• 52:44
  Speaker 10: didn't that happen? I really agregious call? Lost the picture
• 52:48
  Speaker 10: a perfect game? Who's the like bravado?
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Jim Joyce? Sure he wasn't. He cried over that, right.
• 52:55
  Speaker 10: And it was like a huge regret in his life.
• 52:57
  Speaker 10: And imagine how the picture feels. Like if you can
• 52:59
  Speaker 10: see a situation like that, I think it's worth it.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: I'd be all for it. Again. We're back to that phrase.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: We're going to overturn.
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: Egregious calls like that, like not a stitch of the
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: baseball may have touched the black of the plate or not,
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: depending on what it was called. It might have been
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: called a ball might have been called a strike. No,
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: Like I don't think that's what we're we're doing. But
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: I like the conversation with Fred because you will go
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: back and forth. You have you have a belief in
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: the technology and you feel strongly about it. You get
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: involved with some of this stuff with other people, and
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: it's just like, no, you have you have no idea
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: what you're talking about. You don't know this, you don't know,
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: like and it's just that's not I mean, I argue
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: anybody with with anybody for anything, right, Like, it's just
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: not I don't like, that's not fun to argue for me,
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: Like if you can't go back and forth and Fred's
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: making points to counteract the points that I'm trying to make,
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: you know, is like I agree with.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Both of you, Like that's that's fun debate like to go.
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: Like for Evan and I, it's more of like what
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: we It's not so much that we're arguing with Fred
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: about the technology itself.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: We're I doing.
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: We don't need like that doesn't enhance our viewing of
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: the game, You know what I mean?
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: When it enhanced my viewing of the game was the
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: game getting faster. So anything that inhibits speed, I am
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: against get in the box and throw the pitch like
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: I don't. I don't want anything else disrupting that because
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: it I'm not going to sit there for four hours
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: and watch a baseball game.
• 54:32
  Speaker 12: I'm not.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: It was too long, and it was dragging out, and
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: it was it was a great.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: Advancement, you know, perfect. I don't like the ghost runner
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: in extra innings.
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: Another thing, why we don't need to be there all
• 54:44
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• 54:46
  Speaker 3: I don't like that, Like, get this over with, I
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: know it. Just I love three on three overtime in
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: the NHL.
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: Three on three shootout and everybody go home, all right.
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: I think they need to do that something like that.
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  Speaker 5: Mike.
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  Speaker 18: I know it's better than to ask you about the
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  Speaker 18: potential for replacement officials. However, the New York Command Center,
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  Speaker 18: the officiating center in your time, paying very close attention
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  Speaker 18: to how they adjudicate calls.
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  Speaker 19: How do you view what's that?
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  Speaker 8: Google?
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  Speaker 19: How do you feel the officiating center does?
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  Speaker 17: And have you wanted to say they do as good
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  Speaker 17: a job as they possibly can and the time that
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  Speaker 17: they have a lot.
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  Speaker 8: Of to them.
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  Speaker 17: There are some calls that are very difficult, and I
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  Speaker 17: think the big one is the quarterback.
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  Speaker 8: Whether it's the tuck or the fumble or the pass, it's.
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  Speaker 17: All right, stretching out just been whatever to call in
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  Speaker 17: the field is We're going to let that one.
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  Speaker 8: Stand because that's probably not getting overturned.
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  Speaker 17: So I think that they try to use a standard
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  Speaker 17: of clear and obvious and the biggest thing is that
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  Speaker 17: we understand what they believe to be clear and obvious.
• 59:11
  Speaker 14: Like your experience last year, Hey, buddy, everything guys that
• 59:14
  Speaker 14: you knew and figuring out guys that you didn't know.
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  Speaker 19: How'd you kind of navigate between them?
• 59:21
  Speaker 8: How is there a risk to bringing in a guy
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  Speaker 8: that you don't know? I think that there's.
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  Speaker 17: You just have to be very careful. I mean in
• 59:29
  Speaker 17: free agency. I think that you're referring to. It happens
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  Speaker 17: so quick and if you you know, you're looking at
• 59:39
  Speaker 17: the player on film, you can watch as many games
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  Speaker 17: you want to watch, but you really don't have an
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  Speaker 17: opportunity to know who that person is.
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  Speaker 8: Unlike the draft, where you have so many.
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  Speaker 17: Touch points from our scouts, from our coaches, from pro days,
• 59:54
  Speaker 17: from visits and combine.
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  Speaker 8: So you just have to be very careful with the type.
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  Speaker 17: But people that you're bringing in in free agency, speaking
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  Speaker 17: of that.
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  Speaker 19: Have been bothered to your team on enough just.
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  Speaker 17: To professionalism a comfort, you know, I would say that
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  Speaker 17: the consistency in which he operates and functions has been
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  Speaker 17: very impressive over the time that I've known Kevin.
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  Speaker 8: He cut me off.
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  Speaker 10: I didn't realize you are, he said, that he thinks
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  Speaker 10: that you're a little bit more tame now compared to
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  Speaker 10: when you first.
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  Speaker 8: Started at We have to see what he gets here.
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  Speaker 8: I have a relationship though evolve over.
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  Speaker 17: I mean he started out I was first time head coach,
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  Speaker 17: and then I had to, you know, be able to
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  Speaker 17: implement a program that I felt like was best for
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  Speaker 17: for our team and what they needed in Tennessee.
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  Speaker 8: You know, I guess I'm as tame as I need
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  Speaker 8: to be.
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  Speaker 18: Mike, speaking of fire upon this, players that you've had
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  Speaker 18: in the past, how do you guard against having like
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  Speaker 18: a blind spot those guys?
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  Speaker 1: Do you like?
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  Speaker 17: We always want to bring in talented players, you know,
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  Speaker 17: whether we knowing them is important, but also talent is
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  Speaker 17: important too, So again we'll try to manage what we
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  Speaker 17: feel like are the people that we.
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  Speaker 8: Bring in and that we know and compared to their
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  Speaker 8: talent level.
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  Speaker 3: That's your players concerns. I'm an NFL report card, especially
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  Speaker 3: with a team playing.
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  Speaker 8: Don't want to focus on the report card.
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  Speaker 17: I want to focus on what our players say to
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  Speaker 17: me and the stretch and anybody in an organization, we
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  Speaker 17: constantly are are asking them. You know, we have a
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  Speaker 17: leadership group that we believe in and that we trust.
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  Speaker 17: We won't be able to make every recommendation, we won't
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  Speaker 17: be able to do every single thing that they want
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  Speaker 17: to do, but we listen to them and we try
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  Speaker 17: to add things in the training room, try to add equipment.
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  Speaker 8: I know for a fact, on.
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  Speaker 17: Numerous occasions players have asked about different modalities in the
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  Speaker 17: training room. I've gone to Jim, asked him to order
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  Speaker 17: it going to stretch, you know, Jonathan and Robert have
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  Speaker 17: gladly okateed it. Something came across my desk the other day. Hey,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 17: we added this last year. It works out so good,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 17: we want to add another one. So we're constantly trying
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  Speaker 17: to get feedback from the players on things that we
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 17: can do to to.
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  Speaker 8: Help them do their job.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting you, you guys have an opportunity to pick up
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: his stick, the option.
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  Speaker 17: If we haven't picked it up, we should pick it up.
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  Speaker 3: Extend him.
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  Speaker 8: He's going into the year making We want a million.
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  Speaker 17: We want to make sure that we draft extremely well,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 17: and then we identify the guys that we want to
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 17: keep with us UH and that have earned and UH
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 17: long term extensions with us. And Christian Gonzo is certainly
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 17: one of those players and you know, but I can't
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  Speaker 17: comment on the negotiations to you.
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  Speaker 20: I think you mentioned maybe challenging your staff to come
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 20: back with new ideas. I'm actually curious from from your perspective, like, well,
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  Speaker 20: who do you turn to, whether it's read a book,
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  Speaker 20: you know, mentors to come up with your own, like
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  Speaker 20: new ideas for how to keep things stretch.
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  Speaker 17: I think that, uh, you know our staff and you
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  Speaker 17: know stretch. You know obviously you know different coaches around
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  Speaker 17: our league or other leagues. You know, you know, Joe
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  Speaker 17: does such a great job with with the Celtics, you know,
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  Speaker 17: just to start that they've been able to have without
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 17: without Jason has been really really impressive. So a lot
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  Speaker 17: of communications with him and other coaches you know around
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  Speaker 17: the league, and you know, a lot of thought.
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  Speaker 8: I think, try to bounce ideas off of.
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  Speaker 17: Really just come up with something, think about it, you know,
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  Speaker 17: give it some time, how do you enhance it, how
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  Speaker 17: do you marry it. There's a lot of time in
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  Speaker 17: the offseason, so but try to be intentional and just
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  Speaker 17: never want to be a gimmicky with what we do
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 17: with the players.
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  Speaker 16: What's the player development where it comes to a guy
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 16: who's got versatility trying not to give them too much.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 17: Is that they can do well, you're talking about a
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 17: young player, buck or you Yeah, just banking sure that
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 17: they don't get overloaded and that they can get proficient
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  Speaker 17: at something. And then I'd say the better they do,
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  Speaker 17: the more we would try to give them. You know,
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  Speaker 17: whether that is an offensive lineman that may play two
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 17: positions or a receiver that may play multiple positions. But
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  Speaker 17: you know, certainly we try to figure out what the
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  Speaker 17: player does best, do that and then see what else
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  Speaker 17: they can do tod and enhance.
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  Speaker 8: That Isn't that pretty easy? That a fly when they
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 8: start to swim a little bit, I think so. I
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: think when you start to see him slow down, you
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: know what a player?
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  Speaker 17: You know, one coach which I thought was was really insightful.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 17: It was like, sometimes you can't tell the difference between
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 17: a player that doesn't know what to do or one
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 17: that's afraid to do it.
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  Speaker 8: They're both pretty slow, uh and not very.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 17: Reactive, and so we have to try to measure what
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 17: that looks like on the field and then maybe pull
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 17: back on some stuff.
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  Speaker 8: The team released Josh last week.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 17: Quarterbacks at some point, yeah, we need we need a
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  Speaker 17: third arm. And you know, try to find a young
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  Speaker 17: guy that you know, we can develop and uh, you know,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 17: potentially add to the to the roster, whether that's on
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 17: the fifty three man roster or the practice squad.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 8: Does that an anyways?
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  Speaker 1: Speak to Drake slog the maturity.
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  Speaker 19: And development that you can take on a younger guy.
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  Speaker 8: I think that's probably pretty accurate. You know.
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  Speaker 17: I think that I really appreciative of what Josh did
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 17: for us coming in last year, with Drake going into
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 17: his second year, and I've communicated that with Josh and said,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 17: I think it's just a different situation now, So that's
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 17: probably pretty accurate. Get them, Stacy, Well, I love him.
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  Speaker 8: Give you a nine of them, Bring as many tight
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 8: ends as we can get. It's not gonna be something
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 8: you look at in April.
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  Speaker 17: I hope, yeah, I hope there's a good uh again,
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  Speaker 17: I think just trying to find, uh, you know.
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  Speaker 8: The the right guy.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 17: There's different you know, some of them are receiving, some
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 17: of them are more the line of scrimmage, some.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 8: Of them a little bit of both, you know.
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  Speaker 17: So I think we'll just try to come up with
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 17: the one that fits us best and see where we
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 17: can draft him.
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  Speaker 8: Earlier, I think somebody else. What do you got your call.
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  Speaker 2: With a thirty first pick?
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 8: Do you feel that that needs to shine?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 17: Rogers getell with the thirty first pick in this year's draft?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Do you should that be an immediate impact player?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 8: Are you comfortable taking plays player available? Hopefully maybe we
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 8: trade up, maybe we trade out. I don't know, but.
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  Speaker 17: Uh, you know, I love being able to work with
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 17: with Elliott and Ryan. Elliott and Ryan their staff coaching
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 17: and trying to bring that together. I'm trying to bring
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 17: a coach's perspective on a player and and the personnel's
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 17: side together to bring the best person in there for
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 17: our football team.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you, guys.
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  Speaker 3: And now great moments in history.
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  Speaker 6: And Brandon Spikes's work bikes, he's at Florida. He's working
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  Speaker 6: back at the Alma Mada and uh and he's you know,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: he's helping out Florida's program, trying to get them back,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: you know, to where they were when he was there
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: and things like that.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: And so is he still on the internet. I asked
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Evan about that yesterday.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure you know I'm going to plead the fifth
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: You want his only fans account?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: You get a license for that thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great That was a great moment
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: in PFW.
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  Speaker 1: And oh yeah, oh, you guys discovered the.
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  Speaker 7: Does a Google search of Brandon Spike is junk and
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: Frank goes, I have seen it.
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  Speaker 6: I have seen it, and then I said it in
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: the elevator yesterday, and then.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: Paul starts grilling you have you seen Miko?
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  Speaker 8: Yes?
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  Speaker 5: Have you seen Sosa?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I do not just go. I don't get that. I
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  Speaker 3: have no desires search.
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  Speaker 17: That's another great moment from.
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  Speaker 1: You're out there working.
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  Speaker 5: It's a spring, it gets muddy and everything like that.
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  Speaker 4: You don't want to be wearing your your Nike sneakers,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you're gonna want to wear work stuff, wear clothes,
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  Speaker 5: No, no, sway these boots. I have another pair of brunts.
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  Speaker 4: But I have my brunts that I work out and
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  Speaker 4: I've been splitting wood by the way, so.
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  Speaker 3: Cutting down I've been.
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  Speaker 4: I've been wearing my brunts too. But you know, think
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  Speaker 4: New England.
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  Speaker 5: It's gonna be muddy. You know when this ground for
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  Speaker 5: you know, truly thaws, it's going to be a mess.
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  Speaker 1: So get your brunts.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so myke the brount work, where is it? Uh?
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  Speaker 3: Flame resistant?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if they make flame retard.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's our tradesman too. Well there's our tradesmen too.
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  Speaker 2: They would need their stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So took part in the Hall of Fame committee, and uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we're not allowed to talk about the conversations
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  Speaker 4: in the room, but here's what I'll tell you.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know'sation.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know officially who is going to be the
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  Speaker 4: three nominees that get presented for you, the fans, to
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  Speaker 4: vote on.
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  Speaker 1: But we can guess that Rob Gronkowski is.
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  Speaker 4: Going to be one of them in his first year
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  Speaker 4: of eligibility, and I and it should be Adam Vanieri
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  Speaker 4: being another one.
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  Speaker 3: He'll be another one. Those two I think are definitely.
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  Speaker 4: And didn't make it because he lost out to Julian Edelman,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: and he'll probably be on the ballot this year against
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: Rob Gronkowski. I am asking you, as fans when it
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: comes time to vote in a week or so whenever
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: they release it, to vote for Adam Viniti. Gronk is
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: going to get in, not this year if you vote
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: for Vinitaria, but probably next year. Vinitary is already in
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Should have went in
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: last year. Let's get him in this year. Let's get
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: him off the table. So it doesn't become one of
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  Speaker 4: those situations where every year he's going against somebody who
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: is more recent in our memory and you know, has
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  Speaker 4: recency biased on their favorite.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: Let's get Adam in this year. Let's get it over with.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: Let's vote him in.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: He's a Hall of Famer, the greatest kicker in the league,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: like just like you could say Gronk is the greatest
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: tight end the league. Vinitary is the greatest kicker in
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: the league. Certainly the greatest kicker ever to wear a
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: Patriots uniform. You know, without him, you don't win that
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: Snowball and you don't win your first super Bowl, and
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: that's what started everything.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: So let's get him in this year.
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  Speaker 4: People, I'm asking you spread the word vote for Adam
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  Speaker 4: vanity that Paul.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to make a case for anyone.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 7: I'm going to be good here because I don't want
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: to get myself in political trouble.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: But that's tough.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: What forget about what you think and forget about who
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: you think is the most deserving.
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  Speaker 3: Vote Adam I am.
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  Speaker 4: I'm asking you because he is. Of course Gronk is deserving,
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  Speaker 4: and I think the majority of fans if you've you know,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: had your Q factor rating.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: You know what that is. The young people know what
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: that is.
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  Speaker 3: How About we just eliminate that one.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: How about we say, this is arguably the greatest tight
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: end in the history of football against the greatest kicker
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: in the history of football.
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  Speaker 3: Who do you think is more deserving?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well I think Gronk is so Like.
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  Speaker 7: In other words, this isn't the travesty that in my word,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 7: not anybody else's that last year was. This is not
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 7: going to be laughable, It's not going to be embarrassing.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 7: It's the fans vote Rob Gronkowski over Adam Benette.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: And I know that they will.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I'm asking you to right, I'm asking you for.
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  Speaker 5: One year and to hold off.
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  Speaker 4: I know that the majority of fans, when they see
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: a ballot that has Vinetarian Gronkowski, They're going to vote
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: for Gronkowski. I'm I'm you know, giving you that point.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just asking you not to do it for one year,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: just so we can get Adam in.
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  Speaker 6: I'm more interested in two things. One, I want to
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: hear about Deuce's experience because I used the comparison yesterday
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: of like this is like Joe Pesci and goodfellows when
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: he everybody finds out he's going to get made. That
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: That's how me and Barthelt, knowing that one of ours.
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  Speaker 5: And Mike.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: Get into the you know, with the cigars and the
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: closed room and you know all that. The other thing
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: that I find interesting is something that Paul told me
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: about was Dante high Tower and his name getting brought
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: up for nomination.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: It was one of the eight players nominated.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 6: We all agree that Gronk and Vinitary should be on
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: the ballot. For me, personally, I think that Dante high
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: Tower should be the third verson nominated on the ballot,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: But I think Paul disagreed with me, and I'm curious
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: about everybody's opinion. I disagree, great, Why do you disagree?
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 8: Great?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it was I mean, I was just first.
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  Speaker 9: I just think Phil Paro did a great job of
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 9: bringing high Tower up. Knew he probably wasn't going to be,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 9: you know, a finalist this year, but you know, pointing
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: out all his clutch plays in the Super Bulls that
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: you know, we all know not an NFL Hall of Fame,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 9: Pro Football Hall of Fame guy. But I thought, I
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: mean Paul pointed out he thought it was my first time.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: You thought, you know, supposed to talk about his conversation,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: but it's okay if you talk.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm giving a permission he can.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: But uh but no, it was it was obviously really
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 9: cool to be there. I mean an honor to be
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 9: amongst all those people who clearly have such a such
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 9: a sense of Patriots history. And you know, I found myself.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 9: I kind of thought through what I thought before, and
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 9: then guys made compelling cases, you know, and and you know,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 9: mostly Tatuba is an example, was brought up and a
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: lot of people talking about him, and it's hard for
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 9: me is I have like a connection with him, you know,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 9: my it was like the first player, first football player.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: I remember my cousin dated his son like you know, and.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: I so here we go after.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 9: My god Sofa, I mean, I met Lofafa has been
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 9: in my house for like Easter, I think before, you know,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 9: so just personal connection to the guy.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: But the forest go in. But when I boiled it down.
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  Speaker 9: Really and and you know, to Evan's point talking about
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 9: high Tower, really it came down for me for the
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 9: last spot between Logan Mankins and Wes Welker. You know,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 9: I had ven Terry and and uh and and Gronka course,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 9: and those are the last two guys that I was
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 9: kind of kicking around. But I think you boil down
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 9: these considerations into there are certain guys that had a
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 9: longevity about them that maybe wasn't h you know a
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 9: lot of statistical achievement, but was contributions in various ways
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 9: and different games, and you know, over a period of time,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 9: really carving out which is what Mosey did, carved out
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 9: a role as a patriot for life and a special teamer.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 9: And you know, but there are also people that weren't
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 9: here very long. I mean, Wes Welker, I think you know,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 9: Paul did a great job laying out with him of
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 9: six seasons total, that six years that he was with
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 9: New England.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: But had prolific production. So that's you know, kind of
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: where you.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 9: Know, I guess when you said it, it just sounded short
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 9: to me. I mean, I just and that's probably a testament.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 9: Did you know how much production he had just over
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 9: those short period of times. So you know, High Tower
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 9: another guy who was here for I mean I wouldn't
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 9: say even a long time.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: But had done enough to you know, really earn the nominee.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: Paul just got another tankard of diets.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 6: They had to give Paul a shot in the arm.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: You need a Snickers, buddy, Paul's a little low. Can
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: we get some diapepsi in right now?
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 6: So it was it was I'm just surprised that people
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 6: like you said that Phil laid out the case for
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: High Tower, knowing he probably was like that. It was
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 6: such a It wasn't even like a like people like
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: were like, no, He's definitely not like that surprises me.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: I think that High Tower in a lot of ways
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: is similar to will Fork, where like you have to
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 6: the stats don't do it justice to the type of
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: impact that he made on a game to game basis
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 6: in the middle of the defense. You know, he has
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: the signature plays on top of that, you know, obviously,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: I think maybe one of the best plays of any
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: Patriots Super bowls him atacking marshaw on at the one
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: yard line with one arm and to you know, set
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: up the Malcolm Butler interception. The strip sack gets a
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 6: lot of love, but he was carp Blanche the quarnerback.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: Nobody blocked them and he and he stripsacked him. I
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: think he probably should have been the MVP of Super
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 6: Bowl fifty three. I think he was the best player
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: in the game about it, So I think he should
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: have been the most Valuable player of a super Bowl
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 6: on top of it. And then you look at all
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: of the things that he would do under the hood
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: of compressing space, taking on blockers, you know, occupying blockers
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: so that other guys could go ahead and make the
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: play on the ball. You know, all these things that
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: we talk about with guys like Seymour and Will Fork
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 6: who didn't necessarily have like high level production because they
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 6: were doing their job for the defense. His versatility, his
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 6: ability to play on and off the line of scrimmage,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: his pass rush predictivity, like just across the board. One
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: of the best Patriots that I ever got to And
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: Phil did a good job of all of that.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah he did.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 12: He did.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm not saying Phil did it well.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 9: I did Hear though, how you compare him to Logan Mankins,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 9: who I mean, same thing, probably even to a more
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 9: extreme extent, you know, And there's a compelling case made
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 9: for him the best offensive lineman that that someone had
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 9: ever seen.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: But it's like a five time All Pro.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's it's hard to compare
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 9: prolific wide receiver and excellent guard, you know, a kicker
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 9: who And look, and I brought up the point to
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 9: Paul afterwards. It was, you know, is it worth discussing
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 9: that Adam did? Then Terry played for the Colts for
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 9: a long time, and you know, I just offering the
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 9: question of Paul. Is he a Hall of Fame? Is
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 9: he the greatest kicker of all time? If his career
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 9: ended in O five after with the Patriots? And I
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 9: know that, you know, I'm just.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: Trying to answer was yes, but you're still put.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 9: Through different perspectives of you know, look, he's yes, he
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 9: was in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but did
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 9: not have a little bit at least to do with that.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: He played for the Colts for a long time, and was.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 7: I think he would have been in any way, but
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 7: probably he wouldn't probably be in now. Yeah, yeah, like
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: if he didn't set all the records, right, you know
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 7: that he ended up compiling in a dome.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 9: And well he's the leading scorer of all time, Well
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 9: he wouldn't be, you know, like so and look, I'm
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 9: not trying to knock out in Minitarry.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: These are just all of the debates that you kind
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: of kick around.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: But I don't think that you can just, you know,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: for this particular individual case, like you say, like if
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: he didn't go to Indy, well, does he stay in
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: New England and kick the rest of his career because
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 7: he would be the all time leading scorer if he
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: did that. Like, he didn't just do that because he
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: was in a dome. Now did he play more years
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 7: in a dome?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: Probably?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 7: Did he have more field goal attempts because they were
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 7: in a dome? Probably, But he'd be if he played
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 7: whatever many years he played for Indy, how many more years?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: About pointing?
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 9: He played with maybe the two best quarterbacks in the league.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 9: So that did that have something to do with some
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 9: of the parts.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: That he still want to kick him? Yeah, but that's
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just having some fun, That's no.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 7: And this is this is why I enjoy the conversation. Now,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 7: Fred and I do a lot, spend a lot of
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 7: time at these meetings rolling our eyes at each other.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 7: Matter of fact, Fred me in the middle of the
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: day yesterday, in the middle of one particularly inane ranton.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 7: So we Fred and I have some fun with it,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: but that is part of the conversation that I enjoy.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: Like someone can look at Lawyer molloy in his career,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: Brian Moury does it all the time and it's almost
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: identical to what Rodney Harrison did. But Rodney is just
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: so much more high profile. You know, he was involved
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: in two titles plus the Undefeated Team. Lawyer you know,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 7: left in a contract dispute, so you kind of look
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 7: like it's it's very subjective. You look at it in
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 7: a much different way. On the field as Patriots, they
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: were very similar players. They didn't do exactly the same thing,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 7: but they were very like production, you know.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: I mean, Lawyer malloy was like one of my first
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 6: favorite players as a Patriot fan, and I think that
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: he was one of those guys that similar to Rodney
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: that just like set a tone for the defense and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: was like kind of a.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 7: Heartbeat and in the locker room too, Like heitude intimidating dude,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: play with.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 6: A play demeanor, like a physicality that I'm sure Rabel
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 6: like really appreciates like that that that's the type of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 6: guy that these types of things are for. I just
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: Macons and Welker are more than deserving to be on
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: the ballot individually, like Macons is a guard so he
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 6: obviously doesn't have those like signature moments that a guy
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: like High Tower might be able to put together. But
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: probably the second best lineman in Patriot history behind John Hannah.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: I would think all you know, coach Scarr says he's
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: the best lineman he's ever coached. When when Dante Scarneki
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: is saying that you gotta that has to hold a
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 6: lot of weight. I just think High Tower is in
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: the conversation with those three, so that would agree. So
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 6: the way that it was kind of presented of like
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 6: not that I was in the room, but the way
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 6: that you guys told me it was presented of like
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: it's probably not gonna happen for High Tower this year,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: but we should talk about it. I think that that
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: needs to be a bigger conversation.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that was more of a Gronk Vinetarity thing, like, yeah,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: we were all like I did the same thing when
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: I did Welker. You know, like he's not gonna he's
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: I don't think he has any sniff of a chance
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: like over Gronk to get in the Hall of Fame,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 7: nor should he even though I've been sort of making
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 7: the case for Wes Welker, So I think that's what
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: where you know, the the Dante stuff, but High Tower
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 7: absolutely Patriots Hall of Fame material.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it was just weird for me to be in
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 9: that position of you know, basically Welker, Mankins, Wayne.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: Who who went with?
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, I.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: Think I had Adam, Gronk and West.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he's I mean special player, and you know, I
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 9: just I thought there was Paul did a good job of.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: A muff spread. I had Gronk, Adam and West.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: Sorry, well, you know, when it comes time to vote,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: you'll you'll do the right thing.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: You're a fan, right, Paul R.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: Think I'm going to vote online the Wes Welker.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: Wont every day makes a bot that just VOTs every.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 15: Deuteron you have to click than just his readers like
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 15: doing like mail in ballots for Paul's people, you know,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 15: like people that don't know how to use computers.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: Passionate please sounds like the democratic self addressed men, Like we.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: Have knowing like the age range of the voters, Like
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 6: can we do some exit polling here? Because like I
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 6: bet you that like it's it's a social media vote.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: It is essentially a factor. So like it's got to
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 6: be a lot of people under the age of forty
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: and my generation are the ones that are going to
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 6: vote for Gronk because we remember Gronk.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: Ye See, I got called out in the meeting, rightfully,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: so because last year we had this conversation about how
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: Adam had no shot to win over Edelment.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I made the case, yes he does. I said,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm sixty four. Back then I was sixty three.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: I use the internet. I know how to vote on
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: the internet. Why does another people? Why don't other people
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: know how to do it? I said, you're not giving
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: enough credit to the fans. And then of course this year,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: boy just called me out. I said, we had somebody
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: last year that I raised my hand and said I
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: was that guy.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: Something else.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: I have faith in the fans.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: I think I was the guy, and I still do.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: I think you have a point, Fred.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 10: I think Edelman just has done such an amazing job
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 10: of keeping himself so relevant, and he plays the game,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 10: you know, Foxborough forever.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not playing for anyone else. And like he.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 10: Also other people came up at a time, I've been
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 10: so salty today. He came up at a time where
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 10: social media was just catching on, and he embraced it,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 10: and he built his brand off the field like that,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 10: and it made him probably such a larger than life
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 10: personality than he otherwise would have been. So I wonder
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 10: if Edelman's the right person for your argument, because I
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 10: do kind of agree with you, Like we have callers
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 10: into the show and emailers that have no problem emailing
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 10: us that are geriatric age no offense.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's an age related thing.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 7: I think plenty of people can go online and vote,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 7: but I think it's a recency thing.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, me too, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 7: I just like if it was Gronk and Edelman, I
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: think Gronk would win in a landslide. It's the same
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: guy that's in, you know, like as Alex just said, accurate,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 7: the same guy that's done a great job of putting
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 7: himself out there against another guy who's done.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: All those things right. But one isn't but one's better.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: Objective Football Hall of Famer Edm's not right.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 6: The Welker one, to me is the fascinating one. And
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 6: I think, like we'll come back to the Mankins and
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 6: the Welkers, Like once we get through some of the
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: guys with all the hardware like that, that those guys
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: will resurface and well they'll get in. But like Welker objectively,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: and I love Julian Edelman, like one of my all
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: time favorites, but Welker objectively is a better player than
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 6: Julian Edelman. And he can't sniff it like he can.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: I can't even get him on the ball, like he's
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: He's not.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: A better character. He's not a better you know, clutch performer.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: I even though that is even like, oh.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: The debating season numbers are comparable.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot more games for Edelman, so that
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 7: like talking about the per game averages, right, he didn't
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 7: have Julian Julian's postseason numbers.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: He didn't have the.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 6: Same like bravado clutch toughness, right that Edelman did. But
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 6: there's no like I think Welker was just an objectively
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 6: better player, like and they played kind of the same position,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: not exactly.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 7: But basically in six years he had better production than
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 7: Edelman did. At eleven eleven, Edelman was on the Pagetes
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: of twelve. He missed I think the seventeen season with
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 7: the twenty a cl and he has I think, what
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 7: did I say, thirty two more catches and basically half
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 7: the time.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if you just go on.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 7: Numbers, and it shouldn't just be about numbers. And I
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 7: have no problem if people say Edelman should go before Welker,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 7: that doesn't that doesn't bug me, like them in going
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 7: over Vanitari did last year, or my favorites Matt Lyt
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: and Kevin Falk going in ever period, Like I don't
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 7: think either one of those guys, all due respect, Kevin
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: Fox is one of my all time favorite guys to
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 7: talk to in the locker room.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: Like you think Rabel.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: Bust my chops with the if you're just slopped talking Paul,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 7: like you should have seen what Kevin Fox used to
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 7: do to me.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: I love Kevin Falk, but I don't really think he
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: was good enough to be a Patriots Hall of Famer.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: He wore that, he wore that.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 9: Jersey and got in good move by him, especially when
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 9: you look through the lens of the people you're considering now.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 9: But there's also just part of me this is a
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 9: Hall of Fame, fame fame, like I can't get that
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 9: word out of my head that you know, that's part
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 9: of it, like who are the famous Patriots who represent
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 9: the Patriots? And I know, you know, mostly to Tublu
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 9: is not going to get nominated or whatever.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: But like after this case was by that definition he
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 6: should get it.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: He should, I know.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 9: And that's and I didn't vote for him, but like
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 9: after the pitch, I'm like, this is kind of like
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 9: most should be in there.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, he was really famous patron about.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 9: Well, he didn't do anything bad as well, I'm saying,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 9: don't get Hernanda's in.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: Everybody know who he is. He was pretty famous.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: But do you think that you know, it's kind of
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: like m VP you have to be good to right,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but I think that there's a little wiggle room
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 9: with a team Hall of Fame.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: As I've always said, this team they're all criteria is
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: different than pro football.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: There are some.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Guys that are just our guys.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 9: And you know, when Paul laid out the thing for
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 9: Welky yesterday and it was brought up the you know,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 9: the stupid pass that you know, one of the members
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 9: blatantly put it on Tom.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: Brady for a bad throw. But we all know that throw.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: And I think back to how I felt about Wes
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Welker in.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 9: Two thousand and seven when that offense was absolutely humming
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 9: and he.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Was just I mean the crazy eyes.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 9: I remember watching him like to return U punt and
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 9: his eyes are just widely, you know, white blue, and
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 9: like this guy's a psycho and he's like five to
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 9: seven and I love him, and I just I that
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 9: brought back all the memories to me, and that was
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 9: kind of I think why I wrote Welker instead of
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 9: Mankins for the third spot.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: You know, no disrespect to Logan Mankins.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 6: He's around, he does a lot of guys can only yeah.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: He kind of is though.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: And Welker, I mean ten twenty eleven, like he did it,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: you know without Moss taking the top off the defense
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 6: here he was unguardable in the sun so you couldn't
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: cover him.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 7: My heart wasn't in it yesterday because I've been beating
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 7: down so many times. But I'll give you a couple
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 7: of my greatest hits to your point. So in O
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 7: seven and I forget the exact number, I think he
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 7: caught one hundred and fifteen passes and seven the first
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 7: year is here. Let's just call it one hundred and fifteen,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 7: and then you know the next year, Brady gets hurt.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 7: He misses the whole yearybody's like, oh, I was going
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 7: to see his production dropped. He caught one fewer pass, yeah,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 7: for ten less yards. So with or without Brady numbers
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 7: exactly the same.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: His yards perception are exactly the same. Ten point five.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: How many catches was it?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 9: One?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Twelve and twelve and one eleven.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: For ten few yards?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 7: In eight with Matt cask Castle quickness nine another one
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 7: of my greatest hits.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: He gets hurt.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 7: He tears his a cl in the last game of
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 7: the season at Houston. He gets hurt. That's arguably the
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 7: single worst playoff loss of the Brady era. They got
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 7: eviscerated without west Well, lost his binkie, lost his binkie.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: They could do nothing that day.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, and again to Evan's point, Moss leaves and
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 7: he just keeps on going towards a cl The last
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 7: game of that season, how many games he missed, zero
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 7: he missed.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: He was back for Opening Day.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: They won that game, right, the Houston game.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 7: The game that you insist that they won somehow I
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 7: mean he was, uh, they really won that game.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 9: He was the third place for Offensive Player of the Year,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 9: second team All Pro, second team All Pro, and eight
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 9: as well First team All Pro.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 7: In six seasons, five Pro Bowls, two first team All Pros,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 7: two second team All Pros.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: I think he came in.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 7: He got votes in the Comeback Player of the Year
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 7: after his year that he tore his ACL, but he
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 7: was back for the opener that year, and I mean he.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 9: Just he in his drop off season in twenty ten
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 9: off eighty six eighty six catches and seven touchdowns, which
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 9: the third career fourth most touchdowns in the season.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just staggering when you look at
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: these numbers.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 7: And that's why I looked at his postseason numbers, which
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 7: he's considered a choker because he didn't catch the pass
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 7: in the twenty eleven Super Bowl. He had ten for
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 7: one oh three and the Giants gone, the first Giants
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 7: won the undefeated game. He his percentage you know of
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 7: you know, target reception, you know, like Stefan Diggs had
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 7: an unbelievable catch percentage last year was like in the eighties, right,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 7: something like that, seventy.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: Five eighty percent efficiency efficiency.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 7: Thank you for you know, speaking speaking English, efficiency speaking
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 7: you know English, for me, words are hard. His efficiency
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 7: in the postseason is actually better than it is in
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 7: the regular season. So like even if you want you
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 7: throw that like, oh, he couldn't do it. They didn't
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 7: win any super Bowls. They couldn't do it in the clutch, Like, no,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 7: he did.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 9: He had twenty seven catches in the seven playoffs, I
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 9: mean three games, he had twenty seven catches.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: I mean he was chill.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 10: I just remember if Gizelle never said that, would.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: I just remember when you know, playing they would run.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 6: She killed him so many players to get him matched
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: up on the linebackers in the safeties in the middle
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: of the field, and he just they couldn't cover them.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 6: And as it sort of evolved, other teams were starting
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: to try to emulate the same sort of actions and
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 6: things like that. And here comes the nickel corners, right,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: and now the slot corner becomes more and more prevalent
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 6: because they couldn't put bigger bodies on Wes Welker.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: He was too good.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 6: So they then they started to move their corners inside
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: and start to line corners up against them, and he
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 6: dusted them too, So it just was like, not only
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: did he sort of have the production, but like he
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: kind of changed the game.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 9: And schematically and he was part of that whole evolution.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 9: I mean I just that that to me, all these
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 9: things added up, and it's just it's always been a
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 9: shame to me that one misconnection with Brady in the
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 9: Super Bowl.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 7: And in full disclosure, when we acquired him, I wasn't
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: a huge fan of the move I I you know,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 7: it's just like, yeah, I mean he's okay, you'll fit in.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: And I famously called him to fred a nice little player.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: Pocket change, pocket change. I think I think I actually
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: called him loose change.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 7: Now, okay, yeah, I'm mad enough to admit I was
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 7: one hundred percent wrong.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: He changed the game.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 7: Troy Brown to me was the the quintessential slot guy.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: He was better than Troy Brown.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I love Troy, everybody knows that, sure, but
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 7: he was a better player than Troy Brown.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah, A nice little player that's probably generous.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: Like the football always looks.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: That's actually him respondingly, the football always looks so bad.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 15: Again, Yeah it looked like a little player.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we had him on and they put I gotta
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 7: give you. I gotta give him credit. Andy and Fred
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 7: they were like immediately like, so, how would you respond
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: if someone described you as a nice little player?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: And Wes went a nice little player?
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: And then Castle was on. He called Castle a tall,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 7: skinny bench warmer.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: That was I think that was the end of.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: Having We didn't get that much, like they're not coming
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: on your show anymore.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: That's too much fun anyway.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 9: On the it's kind of nice to stick it in
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 9: Bill's face every once in a while.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't like, well, was that after the Broncos thing?
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 8: Was that?
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Or was that something?
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: How does he feel about feet?
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 9: Which, by the way, I don't know we talked about this,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 9: but like now they're saying, I mean Mike Smith this
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 9: year said that they kind of wrecks and Mike Smith
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 9: kind of put him up to that to that foot thing,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 9: like they we're kind of daring West to do it.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 9: It was yea, there was a hole behind. It wasn't
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 9: like West just let's get him. It was like, you
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 9: won't say it.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: Michael Smith, his name right, right, Mike Mike Smith.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 9: Okay, okay, So I thought that was that was funny
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 9: to another one though, for that whole resume thing.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 7: So if that Ravens wild card game wasn't the worst
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 7: postseason loss and Brady's you know, like not non super
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 7: Bowler edition.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: The one he was benched was the second worst.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 7: The next year when they get knocked out in the
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 7: division round at home by the Jets, was that and
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 7: he got.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: Benched for the first quarter?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 8: Right right?
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, Rex pulling the Jedi my trick apparently.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 6: I just sawways like his ninety nine yard touchdown. It
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: was like a highlight, that so big he's holding it
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: like ingrained in my brain forever.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: That's the one where it looks like a rugby. It
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: takes up like it starts at his stomach, it goes.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: All the way to tell it, And that's why he
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: was so so lovable.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 9: I mean, Paul talked about him getting or someone else
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 9: spoke about him getting lit up in one of the
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 9: games and then talking to him after.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, you just saw that guy take so many hits.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he got lit up.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just time.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 9: I'm glad we're having a little Wes Welker love fest
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 9: because I just it's such a shame that he was such.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 7: Going to be quite a while before he gets in, though,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 7: great Guy uh More Hall of Fame emails coming in
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 7: Sean Vancouver.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: Sean writes in Adam VINTERI should be in the Patriots
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. The eligibility requirement of four years since
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: retirement is there are so players we'll get into the
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: hall Patriots Hall of Fame before Canton.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: That's correct.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: Now Adam is going to be going to the Professional
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: Hall Football Hall of Fame. The Patriots have more players
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: deserving of that honor than all the other NFL teams.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: Many fans will vote for Gronk over Adam because they
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: don't want to see that happen again. They want Gronk
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: honored in New England before Canton.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: Well, this is.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: He'll like I said, we'll get in next year.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: You know what, Just vote for Adam.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 7: I don't think can I just can I go on
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 7: the record just maybe people don't agree with this. I
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 7: don't find it embarrassing in any way if a guy
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 7: gets in the Pro Football Hall of Fame before he
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 7: gets in the Patriots Hall of Fame. I don't think
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 7: that there's anything like there's a lot of guys that
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 7: are lined up. We only put one in a year,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 7: our committee, we can only nominate three and the fans
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 7: can only choose one. The NFL, the Pro Football Hall
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 7: of Fame class is whatever seven like, so there's more
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 7: opportunities to get in. The thing that happened to Vin
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 7: Terry about the timing, which I didn't even realize until
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 7: the meeting yesterday, is when Adam was four years out,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 7: the first year that he should have been eligible was
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 7: the year that we put Brady in.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 7: Singularly, we didn't even have a vote. We didn't have
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 7: a nomination committee that year. Adam would have gone in
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 7: that year because Brady wasn't eligible yet.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: We waived the period for Brady for obvious reasons. I
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: know that makes it him probably mad, because he's a
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: little salty on Brady.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: Today right now.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: But he would have gone in that year, right.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 7: That was his first year of eligibility for the Patriots
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 7: Hall of Fame, his fourth year out yep.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: Then last year was actually his fifty year out.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 7: He didn't get in the Pro Football Hall of Fame
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 7: on the first try, right, And that's where we should
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 7: have been able to, you know, Unfortunately, the vote didn't
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 7: go the way we all think it should have.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: Now, we have this situation.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 7: But I don't think it's an embarrassment if Gronk goes
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 7: in over Edelman.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, oh god, no, Adam.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: No, I'm asking. I'm not.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: I'm not.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: I'm not asking because I'm I think Adam is more
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: worthy than Gronk. I'm just asking for a favor. Let's
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: get Vinitary done and we'll take care of Gronk next
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: Year's all.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: It's a reasonable assome I'm saying.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 9: Should we shouldn't plead for Welker, you know, I mean
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 9: we could do that too, right, we could counter Fred.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: Because I just don't. I don't believe that.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: I don't believe he should be a case for that.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: You know, come on, do we ever.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: Put any film up in these in these meetings.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Or we No, No, we don't know.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: We watched the games?
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 6: No, it's ever done that.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: Now it's a good way to kill committee.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: But like he gets on the committee.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: But Clickers coming out makes a good point. I like
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: high Tower.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: For some people, maybe they don't understand all the things
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: that you were talking about that, you know, the behind
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: the scenes. I'm not saying he does on the field
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: that doesn't always get recognized. And if you maybe that
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: would be something that Stacy would allow, is Hey, can
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: I just point out, I mean the things that go
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: unnoticed that we're integral to winning.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 10: And I think that's like a younger person's perspective too,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 10: because see, Dante high Tower is probably my favorite defensive
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 10: Patriot ever, and I think that's just part of like
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 10: our generation.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: So who's the youngest person on this committee?
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: You probably Mike, I don't.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: Know Phil, Bill, Phil, Phil Perry.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: And and there's a reason for that that makes total sense,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 6: Like you guys have seen a lot more football than
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 6: somebody like me or whatever. But yeah, I just find
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: it interesting because there are the way that they structure it,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 6: especially defensively, like they there are a lot of guys,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 6: and this is what was a problem for Seymour, and
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 6: I think it's now a problem for Wilfork that we're
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: not production. Like you can't just look at a box
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 6: score and say this was their value because that wasn't
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 6: the type of role that they played. And I think
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 6: High Tower fits the same, but they don't build him
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 6: like high Tower anymore.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 8: We got in.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 6: They don't build guys like that anymore. It's disappointed out
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 6: a clicker There's nobody that like takes on blocks. There's
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 6: nobody that that brings the power like he does, like
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 6: they the linebackers in today's game are all like two
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 6: hundred and twenty five pounds, like they're running around that.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 6: He was a throwback kind of guy. I miss players
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 6: like on.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: James Pettick grew the most interesting Patriots fan in the world.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: Right, So question for Mike, if Brady had to go
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: to committee, how long would you have made him wait?
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Well, now, at this point we a long wait.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: Kyl and Pembroke says, I hate that only one player
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: goes into the Hall every year. We should increase the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: number of finalists to ten and have the deciding factor
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: being a percentage of the vote, while the fans get
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: to vote on three people, so those who are deserving
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: get in, not just one, and the number who get
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: in are varied year to year.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not a terrible idea.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 6: Ed eighty plus percent, you're in.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 7: I don't hate it, and we're going to give you
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 7: a ten finalist. You can only vote for three, and
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 7: then it needs.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: To be a threshold. I don't hate that idea.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: I think even if you keep it at one.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 10: I think the mistake was obviously, like you're already waving
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 10: the four year eligibility for Brady. It was kind of
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 10: shortsighted to maybe say, like, that's the only one that's
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 10: going to go in just because of all the new
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 10: Dynasty Wave players coming in, and it created this backlog.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 7: No, so I take a little blame slash responsibility because
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 7: it was kind of my it was. I mean, I'm
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 7: not going to say that was my idea to have
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 7: the whole, like the whole Brad in it, because it's.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: Not like it was brain Wave the four year.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 7: Matt no Socks and I we had a long conversation
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 7: about this and we all agree like it's kind of.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: Silly that we're going to have Brady go through the
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: same process.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: As everybody else, and I agree with that.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 7: What I wanted to do, however, put to in that
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 7: year Bingo, I wanted to have the regular committee meet
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 7: and get together have three nominees. And it wasn't because
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 7: I was thinking of Adam. I was just thinking Brady's different.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: You're already changing the rule for Brady.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 7: Well, let's just have the regular roy That year, talking
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 7: to some people part of it was sort of not
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 7: knowing when we might get Brady here for the summer,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 7: Like it wasn't a foregone conclusion that it was going
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 7: to be Brady Night in June.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: The way it was.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 7: That's kind of the way that Fred, Matt and I
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 7: when we originally I'm not speaking out of turn here, right,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 7: like that's we kind of spearheaded this, right, I don't remember,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 7: I'm going to take credit for it. If Fred doesn't remember,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 7: I'm going to take credit. But we we always envisioned
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 7: it kind of going down the way it did. I
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 7: didn't know it was going to be June twelfth and
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 7: all that stuff.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 10: I think it was discussed on this show my first
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 10: year here, like you have to do it big, like
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 10: Larry Bird.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: I remember those conversations on the show.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 10: Something that was even like Paul planned legitimately up upstairs we.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: Talked about it, and I definitely spearheaded that we use
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: Larry Bird as an example that it has to be
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: at least and that wasn't has to go to any
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: meetings again at least that big, if not bigger, and
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: I think we knocked it out of the park.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: I think it was bigger and better.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: That was one of the It was absolutely better.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 6: That was one career. That was definitely the best event
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 6: I've ever gotten to work probably ever will Yeah, it was,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 6: I mean better than the super Bowl maybe because of
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 6: the way the game went right, better than the super Bowl,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 6: Like it was it was for me too, I mean
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 6: perfect night it was.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: It was freaking awesome.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 6: I mean all the little moment, yeah, I mean.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: Everything.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 9: When do you get a chance to like really celebrate
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 9: that whole run, you know like that you just you don't.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 9: It's all kind of happens within little spurts of championships
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 9: or super Bowl losses or you know those things.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: But to get there and just like, hey, that was awesome,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Like what.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: Even I know, that was pretty good, but like all
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: the players were great, yea, all the Mike Turrico was great.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: Everything was just perfect.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 9: Like Evan said, yeah, the Randy Moss moment when the
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 9: crowd just exploded him and now that was.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 6: What I meant Like that that season and O seven,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 9: It wasn't his last season, but it ended and it
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 9: was stunk, and you know, it was not completely unlike
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 9: this year. I know they weren't undefeated, but it felt
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 9: like you're having a magical run and then all of
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 9: a sudden the rug just gets.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: Pulled out from under you.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 9: But to have a chance to acknowledge Randy Moss for
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 9: what he did here, and you know, I don't know
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 9: if he's ever probably not going to make it into
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 9: the Patriots Hall of Fame, but he certainly is.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: A famous player that played here and you know was
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: a joy to watch.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: Did he get in the Patriots Hall of Fame?
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: Whossa didn't do a long enough? I agree, Yeah, that's
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: just again my opinion.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 6: I think if there's a time period where twenty years
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 6: from now we kind of don't have run out.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: In that year, that's all.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 6: But Britain didn't school that night, I like was just
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 6: a it was almost like cathartic Brendon I said, I
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 6: said it wrong, all of the loose ends because obviously
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 6: build like say, get fired now gets leaves, And it
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 6: was you know, Brady also left kind of during COVID
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 6: in the middle of you know, a weird time frame
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 6: and it's like closure. Yeah, it was like it was
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 6: a storybook ending.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 9: Honestly, well and you didn't realize, but it was kind
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 9: of closure with with Brady to something sense.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 8: You know he was.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 6: Him now he doesn't have a dog in the fight.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: Dude's back for the statue. That's it.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 6: In the preseason game.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: Uh, Zach spelled z Ac from Western Pennsylvania. You get
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: a lot of emails about the umpiring and balls of strikes,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: says I've never liked watching baseball, but I'm loving the debate.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: It's far more entertaining than any game I've tried to
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: watch for those of us who don't watch. Is a
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: strike meant to be a pitch that could be swung
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: at and hit by that batter.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: Or just a pitch that's over the plate?
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't it be possible to find either one and program
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: that into the technology? Side note, seems to be an
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: increase in Zach's on the show, and it inspired me
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: to write, nice. That's kind of my philosophical like, whatever
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: you want to strike, what does the program that in?
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 6: What is a strike I.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: You should be able to hit? Or is it just
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: over the plate?
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 11: Like?
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 6: Good point?
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: Uh Jack in uh Jack Pantos fan.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 17: Uh.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: The agregious call that lost a picture of perfect game
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: was the flagrantly incorrect call of a of safe at
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: first base. That would have been the twenty seventh out
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: of Armando garyl. Gala perfect game against the Yankees.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: We talked the Yankees.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: Galarraga retired the next batter.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: That game is now enshrined at Cooper Cooperstown is the
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: only twenty eight out perfect game in Major League history.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: With tears in his eyes, the umpire apologized to Galarraga
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: at home plate before the game.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: The next day.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: Conspiracy theorists speculates that the ump received a phone call
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: between innings late in the game when the perfect game
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: appeared possible, and called safe at first base because the
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: lowly Detroit Tigers cannot be allowed to pitch a perfect
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: game against the mighty Yankees.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great conspiracy theory. The team that you
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 7: think was involved in the conspiracy wasn't playing in the game.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 7: It was Detroit against Cleveland.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: So much for that then.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 7: But yeah, Alex brought that up earlier in the show,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 7: and yeah, Jim Joyce, I believe is the umpire's name,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 7: and that yet did Alex is right? That really bothered
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 7: him that he missed that call. I mean, it was
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 7: an egregiously bad call. I don't really know how we missed.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: It spiin Fresno.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: Fred seems largely correct that a single players strike zone
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: could be set objectively from one at bat to the next,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: but the strike zone would also have to change within
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: and at bet as the player just a stance.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: No has nothing to do with his stance.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: I agree with Fred on that.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: It seems reasonable that the technology could eventually achieve that
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: precise morphing a good direction unless one values tradition over
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: accuracy like Paul does. But I picked the knit here.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: Paul's love of tradition is no less artificial than an
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: accurate artificial intelligence. Wanting human eyes on the game just
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: because their human eyes is a highly artificial approach to
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: something that is supposedly rules based. Both are artificial, but
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: one has the benefit of being right.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: Okay, I don't know what.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 6: I don't really know.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 7: There's nothing wrong with that that email, that argument, I
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 7: just I would just take it. I would just take
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 7: a slight exception to the fact that you think so
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 7: therefore you are right. Your side is what you believe,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 7: and that is the only side to you. That's what
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 7: I would take exception to. And the whole thing about
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 7: the strike zone with every batter right.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 7: So, like Fred's point is, just get rid of the
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 7: umpire altogether and you don't have to worry about the
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 7: umpire changing from batter to batter right.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: Yep?
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: Is that accurately? Yeah, maybe I'd like it better if
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: that's what they did.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: Joe and Michigan says, the more rules you make, the
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: more difficult it is to manage the rules. Major League
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: Baseball's rule book is one hundred and sixty five pages,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: NFL seventy nine, NBA sixty seven, FIFA one hundred and
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: forty three. Wow, how does soccer have that many rules?
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. You can't touch the ball with your hands, that's.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: That's more rules. I've had goals scored in the history
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: of the World Cup.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 6: Oh my goodness. So speaking about the World may because
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: it's the oldest game. Italy to qualify for the World
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 6: Cup for the third straight time, I mean, that's like,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 6: what's going on there?
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: Scozy to not call some of your boys, I mean,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: did you see? Did you see what we wound?
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 14: All?
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: Right? Then?
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 6: With a bunch of kids from New Jersey Italian Americans
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 6: playing for a team.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 7: Great Weissert doesn't doesn't scream to uh.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: Matt, and Wichita says, I side with Paul, Yeah, to
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: side with Paul a bit. There is a level of
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: There is a level of depth that is now lost
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: in baseball. I played catcher in high school, and how
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: the ump called balls and strikes absolutely affected how we
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: were going to pitch that day.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: In high school, the yumps might be off.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: By six inches instead of point five, but to me,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: it was just part of the game that the batter
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: and the catcher slash pitcher had to adapt to right.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: You had to because they weren't accurate.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: I get it, And.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: Matt also says, the one thing I love I'm trying
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: the one thing I love about the baseball review is
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: that it's fast.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: I wish we could.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: I wish we could get more of the Baseball level
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: of speed into football. When it is fast like how
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: baseball is, it doesn't take away from the fan experience
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: that much. In some of the games, the crowd gets
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: into the reviews. I think the fans enjoy heckling OMPs
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: when they're wrong. It all feeds into the experience. Football
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: reviews are so slow compared to what baseball is doing.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: If it's clear and obvious. Why can't a football review
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: just be nearly instant, because.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 6: It's not like football, Like you, if you're challenging, like
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 6: in or out of bounds, you have to use the
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 6: human eye to tell whether this is a computer that's
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 6: literally just zapping down to the umpire and saying in
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 6: the case.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: Of balls and strikes.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: But I will say to counter that, there's some baseball
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: ones that are so long.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 6: Right, the ones take forever, right because they have to
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 6: go frame by frame and they have, you know, look
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 6: at it just like they do in football. This is
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 6: an artificial computer that's just saying.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, have been quick.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 7: The balls and strikes overturned enough, they have been quick.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 6: But the game the other day with C. B. Buckner
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 6: took four hours because of the stupid reviews. I was like,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 6: this is unbelievab.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 7: And I don't know if this is accurate, but I
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 7: saw something after that game, and this was an egregiously bad,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 7: you know, poorly officiated game. He missed twelve balls and
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 7: strikes in the game. That's considered like unbelievably bad. Twelve
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 7: out of what two hundred and fifty pitches he missed twelve,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 7: well all time, that were no no, no, right, no, he.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: Missed twelve balls and strikes and.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: The oh they went back and looked, yeah, okay.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: Cool again. I don't. I didn't study it. Maybe you're
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: right like I don't.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 6: It's nerd stuff they do with computers.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, according to the computer, every pitch evaluated, he missed twelve.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: Miss twelve.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 7: They agreed, like that's that's that's really, that's like exceptionally best.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: Twelve too many, that's.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: Ex but that is like the extreme bad.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they've been doing that for years that they have
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 6: the computer like goes and U grades the umpires and
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 6: then they hold the umpires accountable, supposedly for being wrong.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: They should rock little subtle Eric in Rochester, New York,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: after slogging my way through the Major League Baseball Challenge
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: discussion without jumping in front of busy traffic, I'm sorry.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: Paul mentioned something that made me think, what is everyone's
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: favorite sports arguments to have? I'm friends with a few lawyers,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: so arguing is always what we're doing, but some of
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: our best always revolved around whether Brady was a system
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: quarterback or not. What are everyone's favorite or most enjoyable
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: sports arguments to partake it?
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's a dumb argument, like how many systems
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 6: did you play it?
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: You have dumb friends, like dumb lawyer friends. I'm glad
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: if I ever need a lawyer, I'm not calling your friends.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 6: Like the team and O seven was running a much
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 6: different offense of the team and eleven to the team
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 6: in fourteen through eighteen, like those are all different iterations
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 6: of the same anyways, the one that I love the
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 6: most is like the eras of athletes, like if you
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 6: were to put like Bill Russell and Bob Kozy in
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 6: the NBA today, like would they hold up? Would they
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 6: be good, you know, or would they be like out
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 6: of the league, you know, like not even competitive?
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: And I think I love that argument too. But the
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: thing that sometimes gets lost in that you have to
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: be fair and say Bill Russell born today gets the
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: same nutrition and the same training, the same everything, and
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 4: then I just.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: I just drop him in.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 6: No, I think Bill Russell would still be good no
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 6: matter what, because because especially the way the game is
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: played now, like.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 5: Well he's old and he's dead, well as the older
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: he dead.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 6: And somebody else somebody always makes that joke when you
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 6: bring up this, Oh my god, the way the game
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 6: is played now, Like you know, I look at like
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 6: Nimi Kita on the Celtics, Like Bill Russell's just like
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 6: much better version of that, right because all that guy's
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 6: doing is running the floor, blocking shots and catching lobs.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 6: Bill Russell would be amazing at that, Like he had
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 6: tracker speed, you know level speed he jumped out of
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 6: the gym. Bob Coosey, on the other hand, I think
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 6: the coups would be would have a tough time.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: The tallest cos he's not very big.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: You don't think just around with your right hand constant.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 9: But I was like the old hockey guys, like no
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 9: one training in the off season. Everybody's like smoking butts between.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: Shifts, like you know, it's there the one.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know that no athletes too much context.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: There's you know, there is an element of that.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 5: So what do you think, like the humans just weren't
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: as good back then?
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 6: Yes, okay, Like like people so people use this argument,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 6: right and they're like, oh, like if you put you know,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 6: a player in football from the nineteen set, like in
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 6: the nineteen seventies, offensive linemen were like two hundred and
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 6: sixty five pounds, like now a guy on average is
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 6: three twenty. Right, So like if you put I love
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 6: John Hannon, is that well evolution but ect But like
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 6: if you put guys from that chicken from that era,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 6: I guess like maybe if they beefed up or whatever
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 6: and got into these programs and became three hundred and
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 6: twenty pounds, sure, I suppose, but like that That's the
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 6: thing to me, is like it's.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 7: Like what you guys were talking about what hat knocks
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 7: when we started the show, and you guys were telling
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 7: that that anecdote about the offensive line coach for Cleveland's
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 7: and we walked two World Wars on push up jumping Jackson. Well,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 7: you know, exercise is sort of evolved, you know, like
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 7: you watch what these guys do some of the some
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 7: of the the isometric exercises, and oh just everything is
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 7: so much clean squads.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: One of the ones I like to have is the
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: most valuable player one, like, what is the most valuable the.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 6: Best of the most valuable.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 9: I like the beating teams and eras against each other,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 9: you know, like a three verse oh four, those like those.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan Varsus Lebron, I'm just kidding, that's.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 9: Not I don't like, I don't like the loo's to
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 9: the wide receiver one we need the most.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: I don't like that one.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: That's that's Mike's least Mike's least.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: Bait is why get Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase?
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: Thank you?
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 6: I think we should trade all of our draft.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: For who says?
• 1:58:08
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• 1:58:11
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  Speaker 21: everything else here that we do at the Patriots. Thanks
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  Speaker 21: a lot