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  Speaker 1: Needs the report it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight.
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  Speaker 3: An important contrast you won't see anywhere else. It's a
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  Speaker 3: contrast between Labour's winning and campaign, especially on social media,
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  Speaker 3: a fantasy of lies and the reality we actually face,
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  Speaker 3: a reality that was made very clear to us this
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  Speaker 3: afternoon with the reports that Russia China's ally wants Indonesia
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  Speaker 3: to let it based long range bombers there just north
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  Speaker 3: of us.
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  Speaker 2: And what war do you think is preparing for?
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  Speaker 3: Well, plenty more on that coming up also tonight. The
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  Speaker 3: local politician who blew the whistle on how Chinese students
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  Speaker 3: here illegally elected another former Chinese student onto Adelaide's city council.
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  Speaker 2: What more does he know? And plenty more tonight as well.
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  Speaker 2: But first.
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  Speaker 3: Tonight, I'll show you the campaign that most of you,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure have never seen. That is a key reason
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  Speaker 3: that Labour is winning.
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  Speaker 2: This election campaign.
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  Speaker 3: It's the advertising war, and especially the advertising war on
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  Speaker 3: social media. And I think what I'll show you will
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  Speaker 3: scare you, and not just scary, because how you'll see
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  Speaker 3: how poor the coalition campaign is in comparison, but also
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  Speaker 3: how Labor is winning this election on lives that the
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  Speaker 3: Coalition isn't fighting, not well enough, and that is a
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  Speaker 3: warning not just for the Coalition but for the country.
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  Speaker 3: Let me starup by reminding you of three great free
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  Speaker 3: to wear ads from past campaigns that really set the
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  Speaker 3: standard back when free to wear ads mattered. First, of course,
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  Speaker 3: this Labour's classic It's Time ad in nineteen seventy two,
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  Speaker 3: featuring TV stars at the time Bobby Lim, Burt Newton
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  Speaker 3: and Jack Thompson backing off Whitlam, making it sound that
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  Speaker 3: a Labor win would be a new Dawn, which is
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  Speaker 3: very different to the more downbeat Liberal launch this year. Second,
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  Speaker 3: there is another Labour ad they've alwaye been able to
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  Speaker 3: do these ads well. It's the winging wendy ones made
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  Speaker 3: by John Singleton Bob Hawk attacking then Liberal leader John
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  Speaker 3: Howard's promise of tax cuts and exactly the way, by
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  Speaker 3: the way that Laborer is today attacking Peter Dutton making
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  Speaker 3: false claims that cut medicarelie that the Liberals, nearly forty
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  Speaker 3: years later, still haven't learned to counter. Where is your
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  Speaker 3: eight billion dollar tax cut money really coming from?
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  Speaker 4: Will you cut pensions? Will you destroy Medicare?
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  Speaker 3: Will your closed child mining centers? Please tell us, mister Howard,
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  Speaker 3: we want to know where is the money really coming from.
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  Speaker 3: A last another Labour ad, a classic that the Liberals
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  Speaker 3: should have learned from, A very sunny Kevin Rudd, optimistic,
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  Speaker 3: making fun of the Liberal scare campaign and remembering this,
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  Speaker 3: I wonder how come the Liberals haven't done any as effective.
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  Speaker 5: Mister Howard always resorts to negative scare campaigns, and we'll
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  Speaker 5: see plenty of them once again the selection. It's the
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  Speaker 5: sign of a government that's just lost touch. Australia needs
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  Speaker 5: fresh ideas. I have a positive plan for our country's future.
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  Speaker 3: Optimism, confidence, fast reaction, aggression. I think there are ayal
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  Speaker 3: elements missing from this Liberal campaign. Now the liberal slatest
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  Speaker 3: free to wear ad of two men at a bar
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  Speaker 3: complaining about the broken promises of Alban Easy. Look, it's okay,
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  Speaker 3: but it's actually pretty average, no real passion, nothing really
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  Speaker 3: memorable about it. And where are all the Liberal ads anyway?
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  Speaker 3: I mean I haven't seen that many, to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: and I haven't really seen a very consistent theme. Now,
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  Speaker 3: of course you'll be told the free to wear ads
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  Speaker 3: they're so yesterday and today. It's about social media and
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  Speaker 3: podcasts targeting very specific groups of voters. That need to
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  Speaker 3: be shifted either side, of course, the argument that there
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  Speaker 3: should be room for ads on mass that really sell
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  Speaker 3: an overarching vision of Australia's future, one that unites us all,
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  Speaker 3: a big theme, a theme by the way, that neither
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  Speaker 3: side is offered, you might notice, And that's maybe because
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  Speaker 3: the strings are now so divided. So many now weren't
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  Speaker 3: born here, so many are locked into identity politics, so
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  Speaker 3: many are tuned out. But okay, let's look at the
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  Speaker 3: social media like TikTok videos. They are aims especially at
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  Speaker 3: young voters between eighteen twenty four, but also older of course,
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  Speaker 3: voters who tend to know almost nothing about politics, who
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  Speaker 3: tend to get their information from social media and not
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  Speaker 3: TV newspapers, So these are very different ads. For instance,
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  Speaker 3: both sides have jumped on an AI generated mean character
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  Speaker 3: that was invented just two months ago called Tim Cheese,
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  Speaker 3: a mouse with glasses blamed for killing John Pork, a
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  Speaker 3: virtual influencer who's appear Let's really how some labor voters
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  Speaker 3: got this political message.
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  Speaker 6: Tim Cheese has been spotted in Australia working on Peter
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  Speaker 6: Dutton's risky and expensive nuclear scheme. In a letter confiscated
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  Speaker 6: from Mama Cheese. Tim Cheese states Peter Dutton's plan will
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  Speaker 6: cost taxpayers six hundred billion dollars.
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  Speaker 3: The Liberals also used tim cheese, although not with quite
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  Speaker 3: the same sas and punch races.
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  Speaker 7: Are up twenty percent. How many times will Labor lie
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  Speaker 7: about not ruining the economy?
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  Speaker 8: We've got to tiger at one point to be in
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  Speaker 8: a million Polish.
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  Speaker 7: That's a lot of lies ready to get started. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: you lied to us about cheaper power.
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  Speaker 4: Well that's not chrick.
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  Speaker 7: You spent four hundred and fifty million dollars on the voice,
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  Speaker 7: Well that's not chrick.
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  Speaker 3: Now you'll let us with labor Stimcheese add one of
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  Speaker 3: Labour's great lives in this campaign. The coalition's seven pl
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  Speaker 3: nuclear reactors would cost six.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred billion.
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  Speaker 3: Dollars, which just happens to be about four times the
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  Speaker 3: likely real costs. And their other lie use every election
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  Speaker 3: that the Liberals plan secret cuts, so secret that not
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  Speaker 3: even the Liberals know about them. But even Homer Simpson
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  Speaker 3: he does. He says, those terrible Liberals, they will cut.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to.
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  Speaker 9: I have cut a lot of you Wendall's cut. Rudy
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  Speaker 9: is cut, Jennie, You're gone, Stephen. I like your hustle.
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  Speaker 9: That's why it was so hard to cut you.
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  Speaker 3: Now that the other lie, the big lie, absolutely central
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  Speaker 3: to Labour's campaign, is that one from forty years ago
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  Speaker 3: that the Liberals will cut Medicare. That's the lie that
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  Speaker 3: has Albanize always flashing his Medicare card again today. Plus
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  Speaker 3: it also features in the TikTok ads.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, the lever's got a terrible ass, heal I wanted
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  Speaker 10: you to make it be hoskits out. Oh even need
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  Speaker 10: to hope to hold them back please letting many cares
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  Speaker 10: the return.
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  Speaker 3: I'll bet you haven't seen any of those ads, but
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  Speaker 3: they're having effect out there. And then there's this other
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  Speaker 3: Labour lie on TikTok that the Liberals just borrow their
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  Speaker 3: policies from the wicked Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 11: The future we want is not an American style wager system,
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  Speaker 11: not American levels of student debt, and never ever American
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  Speaker 11: health care. We don't beg and borrow ideologies from anywhere
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  Speaker 11: else in the world.
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  Speaker 3: Well fact check, the Liberals are not copying Trump, which
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  Speaker 3: is exactly why some people on the right attacked Peter
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  Speaker 3: Dutton and look at Labor's hypocrisy. US President Joe Biden
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  Speaker 3: promised to council student debt, Albanies is now promising exactly
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  Speaker 3: the same year, twenty percent off student debt. Now, it's
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  Speaker 3: true that the Liberals do do their own TikTok videos.
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  Speaker 3: Some are good, using AI, inventively involving space creatures, using
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  Speaker 3: petrol with that tax exis promised the bout Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 3: That the cut, But there are others that they don't
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  Speaker 3: really punch home a strong political message, like this one
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  Speaker 3: mocking Albanese's very awkward greeting and his campaign launch of
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  Speaker 3: rival ten year plimost the environment minister.
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  Speaker 2: Funny, but so what and the later stats tell the tale.
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  Speaker 3: Albanize he beats Dutton in engagements on their tiktoks by
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  Speaker 3: six to one and beats Screens Leader and a Band
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  Speaker 3: nine to one as measured by Fabul eight. Now, some
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  Speaker 3: of Albanize's videos actually get as many as six hundred
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  Speaker 3: thousand views, which is not bad. Overall engagement for the
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  Speaker 3: political parties and engagements means you know, comments and likes
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  Speaker 3: on these videos is much closer. But Labor is still
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  Speaker 3: way ahead. Now, if you think it's crazy that an
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  Speaker 3: election can be decided by ads like the ones I
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  Speaker 3: just showed you, you are correct, But that's compulsory voting
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  Speaker 3: for you. You've got to appeal even to the clueless
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  Speaker 3: and board. And if you think it's disgraceful that Labour
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  Speaker 3: can win by telling such shameless lies, you are right
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  Speaker 3: again by complaints of for losers. And think also what
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  Speaker 3: it means for our future that these things are true,
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  Speaker 3: where the word cut is poison, even when this government
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  Speaker 3: is giving us a trillion dollar debt. But for the
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  Speaker 3: liberals there is now this further question, how does it
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  Speaker 3: feel to get to a winning position before an election
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  Speaker 3: campaign only to find out your way behind after just
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  Speaker 3: two weeks of labor campaigning? Something sure must change right now,
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  Speaker 3: But away from the spin and back to the reality
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  Speaker 3: the campaigns being determined to avoid for the most look,
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  Speaker 3: the Albenizi government has weakened our military exactly when China
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  Speaker 3: has threat is threatening us with naval ships firing their guns.
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  Speaker 3: But where have been the defense policies of either side?
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  Speaker 3: Now there are reports that Russia, China's ally, has asked
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  Speaker 3: Indonesia to let us station several long range aircraft there
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  Speaker 3: just the thirteen hundred kilometers away from Australias mainland.
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  Speaker 2: This was news to Albanezi.
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  Speaker 8: We are ascertaining having a look at those reports, as
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  Speaker 8: the Foreign Minister and Defense Minister have said, we are
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  Speaker 8: seeking further information. We obviously do not want to see
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  Speaker 8: Russian influence in our region.
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  Speaker 2: Very clearly, Peter Dutton was far more damning.
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  Speaker 12: We've seen Russia in action under President Putin in Ukraine.
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  Speaker 12: We've seen women and children have died in Ukraine as
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  Speaker 12: a result of decisions of Vladimir Putin. He's a murder's
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  Speaker 12: dictator and we don't welcome his presence in our neighborhood
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  Speaker 12: at all. It is deeply destabilizing and we would want
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  Speaker 12: to hear from the Prime Minister about what efforts have
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  Speaker 12: been undertaken. Obviously, surely they must have known about this
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  Speaker 12: before it's been made public, and if not, then that
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  Speaker 12: is a catastrophic failure of Penny Wong and Anthony Obernezi.
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  Speaker 12: And at a time when the Prime Minister says we
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  Speaker 12: live in the most precarious periods since the end of
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  Speaker 12: the Second World War, we've got a government taking eighty
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  Speaker 12: billion dollars out of defense and that is completely and
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  Speaker 12: utterly unacceptable.
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  Speaker 3: But Defense been Sir Richard Miles has just put out
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  Speaker 3: a statement that the Russians did not put in a
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  Speaker 3: request to store their aircraft in Indonesian bases.
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  Speaker 2: There's something about that.
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  Speaker 3: I'll discuss later with an expert in.
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  Speaker 2: This area, but for now joining me is our regular.
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  Speaker 3: Tuesday commentator, National Senator canneb and the former Resources Minister
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  Speaker 3: Matt Thank you for your time. This report and it's
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  Speaker 3: by the prestigious US military website. James, so did several
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  Speaker 3: Indonesian officials unnamed, but the Defense Minister says Indonesia's Defenseminster, Denisa,
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  Speaker 3: do you think Peter Dutton then overreacted.
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  Speaker 1: Well, as you say, it's from a reputable source, and
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  Speaker 1: we don't know, of course what will happen with these reports.
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  Speaker 1: I still think there are questions for the government to
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  Speaker 1: answer about why they couldn't dismiss the issue immediately. There
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  Speaker 1: has been this statement just now, so there are those
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  Speaker 1: questions to answer. But Andrew, there's also the issue here
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  Speaker 1: about what is the government doing to respond to the
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  Speaker 1: potential of this. Clearly, this is an issue just a
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  Speaker 1: few months ago Indonesia officially joined the Bricks Formation that
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  Speaker 1: was the sort of counter to the US Formation form
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  Speaker 1: by Brazil, Russia and China just over a decade ago.
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  Speaker 1: Now Indonesia's formally a member of that group. So clearly
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  Speaker 1: there is an issue here that we should be mindful of.
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  Speaker 1: But despite those rising tensions, despite even the Prime Minister's
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  Speaker 1: own admissions of those rising tensions, this goverment has stripped
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  Speaker 1: funding away from defense. They've continued to pursue a mad
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  Speaker 1: net zero agenda that all of those bricks countries are
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  Speaker 1: not really even paying lip service to any more. And
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  Speaker 1: as a consequence, we've just lost our nickel industry to Indonesia.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been raising this issue for over a year.
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  Speaker 1: No one else seems to be listening, but the Albanesi
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  Speaker 1: government imposed a carbon tax on our nickel industry, And meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: China financed the construction of massive amounts of culified power
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  Speaker 1: stations in Indonesia, financing a lower cost form of nickel
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  Speaker 1: production which has undercut Australia nickel. And we've gone from
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  Speaker 1: being the world's biggest nickel exporter to now barely having
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  Speaker 1: an industry in this country. And three thousand Australians have
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  Speaker 1: lost their jobs as well. We need to if this
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  Speaker 1: is well, I think it is one of the most
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  Speaker 1: serious geopolitical moments that Australia has faced since the Second
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  Speaker 1: World War. Shouldn't we be reassessing our priorities on energy,
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  Speaker 1: on industry, on manufacturing, on defense, on all of these issues,
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  Speaker 1: rather than the Albanesi governments approach, which is to continue
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  Speaker 1: to pursue global agendas to try and change the temperature
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  Speaker 1: of the globe, to have open borders migration, instead of
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  Speaker 1: focusing on our own national sovereignty and independence.
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  Speaker 3: You raise a couple of issues that I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: flesh out later in the show, because you're absolutely correct
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  Speaker 3: there is more to this Indonesian story than the governor's
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  Speaker 3: leaning on something really disturbing going on there. Meanwhile, to
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  Speaker 3: the Greens, Matt Canavan, they planned a fundraising dance on
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  Speaker 3: Antack Day on Antac data West Perth Tattoo Parlor of
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  Speaker 3: all things. And let's not forget, of course, how the
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  Speaker 3: West Australian Green centator Jordan steel John defended the pro
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  Speaker 3: palace in and extreamers who defaced the Australian War Memorial here.
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  Speaker 13: He is then if we are to believe that the
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  Speaker 13: men and women of the gave their lives in wars
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  Speaker 13: and conflicts to defend such freedoms, then you have to
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  Speaker 13: engage with the reality that protesting but painting is a
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  Speaker 13: form of speech.
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  Speaker 3: The Greens have now canceled that fundraising event on Anzact
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  Speaker 3: Day after a huge outcry. Do you think that was
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  Speaker 3: just a mistake on their part or something worse?
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  Speaker 1: Well to me, Andrew shows they have terrible instincts. Thankfully
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  Speaker 1: they have responded to that outcry. But how did it
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  Speaker 1: even get past first base? Here? At got past first base?
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Because the Greens as a political movement the equivalent of
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  Speaker 1: a massive group of spoilt brats. It's like a sport
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  Speaker 1: child who wants to complain about all the sins apparently
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  Speaker 1: their parents committed, but it's happy to live half the
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  Speaker 1: wealth and generosity of those same parents. I mean the
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  Speaker 1: Greens that only can engage in their democratic right to
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  Speaker 1: support Palestine because of the sacrifices that former Australians have made,
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  Speaker 1: their ancestors have made to defend the freedom of this country.
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  Speaker 1: But they never pay any sufficient or significant tribute to
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  Speaker 1: those sacrifices. Instead, just simply to like to live an
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  Speaker 1: easy life and not have to think about the hard
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  Speaker 1: sacrifices made to generate that.
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  Speaker 3: Matt I mentioned the ads earlier at the top of
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  Speaker 3: the show, including ones where the Labor Party is attacking
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  Speaker 3: the Coalition for being too pro Trump. I wonder, though
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  Speaker 3: much as I deny that allegation, I do wonder why
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  Speaker 3: there isn't more robust criticism of Donald Trump. Maybe some
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  Speaker 3: people have got a hero worship of him, or they're
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  Speaker 3: too scared to criticize him and offend some of the
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  Speaker 3: right here. But this pandering to the Russian president by
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump has become obscene. A day ago he claimed
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  Speaker 3: the Russian miss some attack on Palm Sunday that killed
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  Speaker 3: thirty four Ukrainian civilians is just a mistake, and.
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  Speaker 2: Now he blames Ukrainian President.
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  Speaker 3: Vladimir Zelenski for Putin invading Ukraine and slaughtering his citizens.
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  Speaker 14: Have looked he's always looking to purchase missiles. You know
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  Speaker 14: he's against Listen, when you start a war, you're going
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  Speaker 14: to know that you can win the war. You don't
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  Speaker 14: start a war against somebody that's twenty times you says
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  Speaker 14: and then hope that people give you some missiles.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't a time, the Coalition says straight out. Trump's position
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  Speaker 3: here is not just wrong, it's.
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  Speaker 2: A moral.
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  Speaker 1: Andrew, I don't know how wise that would be given
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  Speaker 1: the first questions you asked me about Russia's influence in
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  Speaker 1: our region. America is our most important ally, fundamentally, it's
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  Speaker 1: their choice to choose who their president is. I think
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  Speaker 1: one of the estrange things about foreign policy discussions all
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  Speaker 1: around the Western world is that everybody seems to think
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  Speaker 1: they have the right to dictate what America does with
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  Speaker 1: its funds, with its military resorts, because etcetera. That's a
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  Speaker 1: matter for the American people. I think if we are
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  Speaker 1: true friends with America, it would do us some service
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  Speaker 1: to actually think a bit deeply about why what Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump is saying with Jdie Vance says what many senior
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  Speaker 1: people many send your politicians. I've spoken to the US
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  Speaker 1: Why that's so supported in the US. It's probably because
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  Speaker 1: they haven't had a real wage rise since the nineteen seventies.
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  Speaker 1: I've got thirty seven trillion dollars in debt. It's got
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with September eleventh. I think I mean
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  Speaker 1: Andrew elected president. What he's saying so.
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  Speaker 3: Many German for Adolf Hitler. I don't want to say
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  Speaker 3: Trump has hit Leer like a world.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but that's your comparison, and Andrews with the US. Seriously,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a that's an absurd s tape, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm just it's wrong. It's wrong, Andrew. It's absolutely wrong
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  Speaker 1: to say this is Donald Trump. I've heard, I've had
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  Speaker 1: discussions with senior senators, senior congressmen who say exactly the
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  Speaker 1: same thing, and this is a we don't seem to
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  Speaker 1: understand that you can have for the wist.
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  Speaker 3: More people doesn't make it right, thing, Matt, More people
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  Speaker 3: saying the wrong thing is more people saying.
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  Speaker 1: That that's a matter for the American people. We should look
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  Speaker 1: at for ourselves and our own countries. A little bit
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  Speaker 1: more of.
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  Speaker 3: Russia, mate, He says, Zelenski is the blame for Russia
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  Speaker 3: invading his own country.
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  Speaker 2: That is a disgrace.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just the embarrasses well that that is seen
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  Speaker 3: as now something you can't even deny, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: just extraordinary.
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  Speaker 2: I think the coalition's got to wake up to us
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  Speaker 2: on this.
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  Speaker 1: As a as a good conservative eder, I'm focused on
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  Speaker 1: our country, our region. I think one of the conservative
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  Speaker 1: positions by yourself where I can answer where this is
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  Speaker 1: not conservative position is because they're getting themselves involved in
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  Speaker 1: all the conservatives the world that they don't understand. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to try to repeat the same mistakes.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's a very great mistake to say that Ukraine
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: is a blame for being invaded, and it's a shame
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: that may not say.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: That straight out.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Well, you didn't deny it, mate, and I thought that
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: was a bit bad to be honest. Matt Canavan will
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: have more about this, you and I maybe later and
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: when I get perhaps when it's all cooled down a bit.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. After the break the whistle blower
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: exposed of fraud where Chinese overseas students got a former
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Chinese student elect us to the Council of Australian capital City.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: And there's more in this scandal to come.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Now, going back to those political ads, I showed you
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: there's something that's sure change in our political culture where
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: when we're facing a trillion dollar debt trillion dollars next
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: year under this government, just the word cut has become
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: a dirty word. Labor doesn't want you to even say
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: the word cut. Joining me from Washington and Australian Steve Hamilton,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Assistant Professor of Economics to the George Washington University and
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: visiting fellow at Australian National University. And Steve Hamilton was
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: also a treasury official who had to find cuts back
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: under the Gillard labor government when labor still believed the
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: cuts were necessary to balance the books. Stephen Hamilton, thank
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: you so much for joining me again. When did politicians
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: stop worrying about death and deficits?
• 21:25
  Speaker 15: Yeah, it's a good question, you know, if you remember,
• 21:29
  Speaker 15: it took a very long time after the global financial
• 21:32
  Speaker 15: crisis in sort of two thousand and eight in order
• 21:35
  Speaker 15: to get back to surplus.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Right, we didn't get back to we didn't get back
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: to budget balance until right before the pandemic.
• 21:41
  Speaker 15: Right that last budget was basically balanced, and then obviously
• 21:45
  Speaker 15: the pandemic happened.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: And you know, we spent a lot of money and
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: had very large deficits.
• 21:52
  Speaker 15: And then the only reason frankly that we had a
• 21:55
  Speaker 15: surplus after that was because of the rivers of gold
• 21:58
  Speaker 15: that had been flowing through to the treasury. I think
• 22:00
  Speaker 15: absent those, I don't think we'd be in surplus at all,
• 22:04
  Speaker 15: So you know, that's kind of extraordinary. You know, it
• 22:07
  Speaker 15: took a decade to repair the budget and get back
• 22:09
  Speaker 15: to normal, and then now it's going to take at
• 22:12
  Speaker 15: least another decade to get back there.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the river's a goal being that boom because of
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: record prices for coal and iron ore and gas and
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, and like there's money pouring
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: in like nobody's business. Now it's all gone, of course,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: and we've got ten years of deficits ahead of us.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: But why is that not? Number one?
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: You know, how could the government have run through all
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: that money so that we've now got a trillion dollar
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: debt facing us next year?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: What has changed in our political culture?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question.
• 22:51
  Speaker 15: I mean, I do think that there is a degree
• 22:53
  Speaker 15: of complacency out there.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: And I don't know if it's young people.
• 22:57
  Speaker 15: I mean, you know, if people even young younger than us,
• 23:00
  Speaker 15: you know who, maybe they've never experienced, you know.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: The consequences right of high debt.
• 23:08
  Speaker 15: Right, we've been able to fund basically whatever we've needed
• 23:11
  Speaker 15: to fund.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Right, the government has grown and grown and grown and
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: grown and grown.
• 23:14
  Speaker 15: Over the past fifteen years. We're offering biople more and more, right,
• 23:18
  Speaker 15: increasing everything. The ndis higher health spending, increasing the dole,
• 23:23
  Speaker 15: increasing family payments. Right, we're doing that all the time,
• 23:27
  Speaker 15: and we haven't really you know, had.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: To raise people's taxes to pay for it, right.
• 23:31
  Speaker 15: And so I think people have just sort of use
• 23:33
  Speaker 15: of this kind of gravy train of money coming from
• 23:36
  Speaker 15: governments without thinking that eventually something has to has to give.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the thing is, you say, you know something
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: has to give.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Nothing has given as far as most people who are concerned.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's starting to give in Victoria, That's that's
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: absolutely true. I mean even the labor government there is
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: now having to cut positions, et cetera in the public service.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: But what what will give one day?
• 24:02
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean I think have a look at what's
• 24:05
  Speaker 15: going to happen to taxes over the next ten years.
• 24:08
  Speaker 15: So we have a big structural depthicit right now, really
• 24:11
  Speaker 15: really big, and if you look at the budget that
• 24:14
  Speaker 15: depthit just automatically goes away.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: Over the next ten years like magic. But it isn't magic.
• 24:21
  Speaker 15: It's that everything on one of us is going to
• 24:23
  Speaker 15: be paying more and more and more and more of
• 24:25
  Speaker 15: our income in taxes over that time through bracket Greek
• 24:28
  Speaker 15: and you have to imagine that in a boiling the
• 24:30
  Speaker 15: frog kind of way.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Eventually people have to have to feel that, right.
• 24:35
  Speaker 15: They have to feel it in their living standards not improving, right,
• 24:38
  Speaker 15: they have to feel it in their lives not getting
• 24:42
  Speaker 15: better over time. They have to feel it in a
• 24:44
  Speaker 15: sort of stagnant economy which is slowly being strangled.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Labor's got a great thing going here that
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: against what you described. I mean, yes, living standards have fallen,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: but what it's saying is we're not the problem. Where
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: the solution because we just give you back more of
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: your money. You know, here's an energy bill relief, here's
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: a little hand out here. He's a little hand out
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: there to meet those costs. And it's like it's money
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: from heaven. So they both are the architects of the problem.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: But posing is the solution to it? Can you just
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: draw a contrast between this spend happy government we have
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: now and the Gillard government, which you know was supposed
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: to be a bad one with Treasurer Wayne Swan, where
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: the Liberal said he was terrible. What's the difference because
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: you worked in treasury under Wayne Swan.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they get a bit of a bad rap, I think.
• 25:38
  Speaker 15: I mean, look, we can all quibble about sorts of
• 25:41
  Speaker 15: policies they introduced and other things, but you know, I
• 25:45
  Speaker 15: could tell you for sure that after the global financial crisis,
• 25:50
  Speaker 15: the deficit that those guys generated was like an albatross
• 25:55
  Speaker 15: around their neck.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 25:57
  Speaker 15: They were the guys who pushed the budget into deficit
• 26:00
  Speaker 15: after the Howard Costello team had paid off all the
• 26:03
  Speaker 15: labor debt and.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Got the budget back to surplus.
• 26:05
  Speaker 15: So they were sort of politically terrified of being you know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 15: plastered as you know that the guys who'd racked up
• 26:13
  Speaker 15: all this debt, so they committed themselves to get back
• 26:16
  Speaker 15: to surplus as quickly as possible. And to be honest,
• 26:19
  Speaker 15: I mean, we used to work at Treasury. They really
• 26:22
  Speaker 15: really wanted to get back to surplus. Look, I will
• 26:25
  Speaker 15: say it didn't happen. And the main reason that didn't
• 26:27
  Speaker 15: happen is not because they were profligated.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: It's not because they were lazy.
• 26:31
  Speaker 15: It's because the Treasury budget forecasts were inaccurate and the
• 26:35
  Speaker 15: revenue never came and so the surplus never came. But
• 26:38
  Speaker 15: I think on the political side, they cared a lot.
• 26:42
  Speaker 15: It mattered a lot to them, and they gave things
• 26:44
  Speaker 15: up to get there. And I think that culture, you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 15: I just don't think politicians do they fear this. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 15: don't think they fear Hey, we're the government running a
• 26:53
  Speaker 15: big debt and so as a result, what's the cost? Right,
• 26:58
  Speaker 15: I'll give you one number this year the deficit. If
• 27:02
  Speaker 15: the government had just sat on its hands done nothing,
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: the deficit would be five billion. Instead it's forty seven billion.
• 27:12
  Speaker 15: All the decisions of the government has taken has turned
• 27:15
  Speaker 15: a five billion dollar deficit to a forty seven billion
• 27:17
  Speaker 15: dollar deficit. You know, they were dis close to getting
• 27:20
  Speaker 15: a surplus. It wouldn't be hard to turn a five
• 27:22
  Speaker 15: billion dollar deficit into a surplus, and they blew it away, right,
• 27:26
  Speaker 15: So obviously that's showing us that they couldn't care less.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Well, Stephen Hamilton, you are an eyewitness to a cultural shift.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: We're ten years ago labor considered any deficit of any
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: size terrible. Where now it can live with a one
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: trillion dollar debt and think, you know, we don't need
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: to change. It is just extraordinary what's happened, Stephen Hamilton,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, indeed for your time.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: It is Andrew.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: In a second old talked to a whistleblower. The whistle
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: blow behind my story last night because there's a lot
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: more to come out. As I told you last night,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: a court has found that Chinese international students actually managed
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: to elect another former Chinese student to Adelaide City Council.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: This Gudgeling g not only a foreigners allowed to vote
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: in council elections in Adelaide, in Melbourne and Tasmania as well,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: but in this case, a court has found it more
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: likely than not those international students made the winning difference,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: and amazingly that result would actually still be legal, except
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: the court also found that this jingle and his team
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: used this honest ways to get those students votes that
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: have been secretly photographed collecting voting papers, for instance, from
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: buildings with lots of Chinese students out of the check
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: that vote for Lee, or to get them filled in.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: So this guy has now been tossed off the council
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: and new elections called. But it's one other thing I
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: should repeat before I get to the whistleblower.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: This jingle has connections.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: This labor linked was vice president of the South Australian
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Chapter of the Australian China Business Council, was a former
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: director of South Australian Governments China Engagement Strategy, and worked
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: for Ostrade and had a prime seat at a dinner
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: throne by the Chinese Consulate.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: He's the guy in the red tie. Now. All this
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: was called.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Out by former Adelaide councilor Alex Hyde, who was just
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: beaten by a jingle's scam and fought the South Australian
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Electoral Commission to get that result overturned.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Alex Hard joins me, Now, Alex.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Congratulations on your win, although it costs you a lot
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: of money and a lot of time. An extraordinary case.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: What is the most troubling thing about it in your opinion?
• 29:47
  Speaker 16: Well, it is extraordinary, Andrew. And I suppose in Australia
• 29:50
  Speaker 16: today we've got Chinese warships to the south of US,
• 29:53
  Speaker 16: We're going to have Russian warplans to the north of US,
• 29:56
  Speaker 16: and in our own borders we have foreign actors illegally
• 29:59
  Speaker 16: influencing the outcome of elections in this country. But I suppose,
• 30:03
  Speaker 16: in addition to mister Lee's very strong connections to the
• 30:05
  Speaker 16: Labor Party in South Australia, which throw up a whole
• 30:08
  Speaker 16: range of other questions that should be answered. The most
• 30:12
  Speaker 16: troubling aspect is that if it wasn't for myself, as
• 30:16
  Speaker 16: a private citizen, engaging solicitors and barristers and a long
• 30:21
  Speaker 16: running litigation at my own personal cost, an inherent risk
• 30:25
  Speaker 16: in that a dodgy election would have been allowed to stand.
• 30:29
  Speaker 16: And this whole saga has gone on for three years,
• 30:34
  Speaker 16: long years. We've had to bump up to the Supreme
• 30:37
  Speaker 16: Court to get previously secret recordings that were taken by
• 30:41
  Speaker 16: other whistleblowers released to be admitted as evidence. We've had
• 30:45
  Speaker 16: to engage handwriting experts to pour over seemingly dodgy ballot
• 30:51
  Speaker 16: papers and produce the dodgiest out of them. We've actually
• 30:55
  Speaker 16: had to have the trial. Well, at the conclusion of
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: the trial, we had the case reopen because Freedom of
• 31:02
  Speaker 16: Information released many hundreds of documents that should have been
• 31:05
  Speaker 16: disclosed as part of the court disputter returns process that
• 31:09
  Speaker 16: were not disclosed. So there's been a lot of twists
• 31:11
  Speaker 16: and turns here and had that process not been undertaken
• 31:15
  Speaker 16: by myself and my legal team. But all the while,
• 31:18
  Speaker 16: mind you, with the electoral Commissioner challenging us at every
• 31:20
  Speaker 16: step of the way, we would have had an election
• 31:23
  Speaker 16: that stood here in Adelaide's capital city, and we would
• 31:29
  Speaker 16: have been none the wiser. And that's probably the scariest
• 31:32
  Speaker 16: part about this.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Oh look, I totally agree with you. How come the
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Electoral Commission fort you when you said, correctly the jingly
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: was elected unfairly and how much did its resistance to
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: doing this cost you?
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 31:52
  Speaker 16: Well, at my team's legals will be discussed as part
• 31:57
  Speaker 16: of the costs process. But like I said, many experts
• 32:01
  Speaker 16: were engaged. We had a CAC and two junior barristers
• 32:04
  Speaker 16: and a solicitor on the job, and that's actually what
• 32:06
  Speaker 16: it took to get this result.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Over the line.
• 32:11
  Speaker 16: The citic in me wants to say that the Electoral
• 32:14
  Speaker 16: Commission was more interested in perhaps protecting their reputation than
• 32:19
  Speaker 16: protecting the integrity of the election. That's perhaps because illegal
• 32:23
  Speaker 16: practices were found by the commissioner prior, but they were
• 32:26
  Speaker 16: only found as a result of an original complaint that
• 32:28
  Speaker 16: I made when we got hold of those photos of
• 32:32
  Speaker 16: people handling ballots brazenly, quite brazenly in the streets. But
• 32:36
  Speaker 16: I think probably more than anything, it's the disbelief that
• 32:42
  Speaker 16: this could even be contemplated, let alone be pulled off
• 32:44
  Speaker 16: inside Australia, and as Australia, we placed a lot of
• 32:48
  Speaker 16: trust in our institutions and in our democratic processes, and
• 32:54
  Speaker 16: the fact that this was pulled off I just didn't think.
• 32:56
  Speaker 16: I don't think they thought it was actually possible.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Alix had one Chinese witness told the court the jingly
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: approach of the Chinese cuncture in Adelaide to help him
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: get elected.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Evidence was given that it refused. Is that the end
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: of the story.
• 33:15
  Speaker 16: Well, the precise evidence given was that they refused because
• 33:19
  Speaker 16: there were quote too many eyes watching, and that response
• 33:25
  Speaker 16: doesn't perhaps give me faith.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: I would rather have heard that, no, we wouldn't.
• 33:30
  Speaker 16: Possibly interfere in this election, because that would be incredibly
• 33:32
  Speaker 16: improper to influence a foreign election using foreign nationals. Look,
• 33:39
  Speaker 16: there are so many questions left unanswered at the end
• 33:42
  Speaker 16: of this, and I just hope that our electoral commissions,
• 33:46
  Speaker 16: that our integrity agencies are watching what happened here very
• 33:50
  Speaker 16: very closely, because our democratic process is only as strong
• 33:54
  Speaker 16: as the weakest link in the chain. That weakest link
• 33:57
  Speaker 16: was found in this case, and it was exploited.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: And of course we need the rules in three states
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: change so that anyone the only people that can vote
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: to be represented an Australian city council or even a
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: suburban council is an Australian citizen, not foreign citizens. Alex Hard,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: thank you so much for drawing this to the country's attention.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: After the break.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Why didn't the promiser know that Russia did want to
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: park its long range bombers in Indonesia? And hasn't he
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: seen how dangerously close Indonesia is getting to Russia?
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Who is China's great ally?
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Back to that report today that caught the prom minse
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: are unaware Russia asking Indonesia to let it base long
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: range Air Force aircraft at Indonesia's Manuir Air Force Base
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: to our north. Now, that report initially seemed to be
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: confirmed this afternoon by Defense Minister Richard Miles after hurry
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: calls the Indonesia, when he said Indonesia had not yet
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: formally responded to Russia.
• 35:05
  Speaker 17: At this point, Indonesia has not responded to this request.
• 35:09
  Speaker 17: We will keep engaging with Indonesia in a way which
• 35:12
  Speaker 17: befits a very close friend and a very close friendship.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Yet an hour or so ago, Marl said that he
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: now talked to Indonesia's defense minister and being reassured the
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: story was false, which is odd. You see, this was
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: reported by James the US online military site, usually authoritative,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: and it started unnamed Indonesian officials and noted that Russia
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: had asked for this access before as well, and this
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: time Indonesia's military was for it. You're got to ask
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: why Russia would even want a base in our region,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: unless it's to be ready to help China if China
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: started a war here by invading Taiwan. And what's more,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Indonesia is undeniably getting closer to Russia, something AVENIZI should
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: have known and been worried about. An Asia's new president,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Prabao Subianto, former general, met Russian President Vladimir Putin last
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: year soon after he was elected and promised more military cooperation.
• 36:10
  Speaker 18: I would like to invite Russian delegation to our defense
• 36:17
  Speaker 18: conference and Defense exhibition in November twenty twenty four, and
• 36:23
  Speaker 18: also to invite Russian participation in our naval trade, which
• 36:30
  Speaker 18: we would like to carry out in the early twenty
• 36:35
  Speaker 18: twenty five.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Last November, Russia even sent warships to Indonesia to train
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: with Indonesia's navy, and in February, the head of Russia
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Security Council, Sergei Shoigu, visited Indonesia's defenseman, where this request
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: the house Russian military aircraft in Indonesia was reportedly made,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: along with other promises of more military Tiesgebaria.
• 36:58
  Speaker 19: Della, would you commit mandi la foi? And are President
• 37:03
  Speaker 19: Indonesia the Unpresident Pucia.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: In June, Indonesia's president will visit Russia again to sign
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: a trade deal and maybe also a military one. Join
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: me is Michael Schubridge, a former senior defense official now
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: founder and director of Strategic Analysis Australia. Michael, great to
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: see you again. So we've got you know, Richard Mars
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: telling us no, the story is completely false. Just after
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: before saying no, Indonesia hadn't formally responded, and yet we
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: also have clearly Indonesia getting closer to Russia. What's the
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: truth here do you think?
• 37:44
  Speaker 20: Well, Andrew, it looks to me like Richard Miles and
• 37:47
  Speaker 20: the government were asleep about what was going on between
• 37:51
  Speaker 20: Indonesia and Russia, and now he's woken up quickly, made
• 37:55
  Speaker 20: a hurried phone call and he's telling us it's all right,
• 37:59
  Speaker 20: we can all go back to sleep too now. But
• 38:02
  Speaker 20: I think there is closer military cooperation happening between Indonesia
• 38:06
  Speaker 20: and Russia. And you've set out why President Praboo met
• 38:09
  Speaker 20: with Vladimir Putin. Praboo has said he wants closer defense cooperation.
• 38:13
  Speaker 20: They've done joint naval drills for the first time late
• 38:16
  Speaker 20: last year, and then the head of the Russian Security
• 38:20
  Speaker 20: Council met with Proboo in February when this deal would
• 38:24
  Speaker 20: have been put on the table. This has got all
• 38:27
  Speaker 20: the smell of the Solomon's China security deal about it.
• 38:30
  Speaker 20: You know, where we sought assurances after being surprised and
• 38:34
  Speaker 20: the Solomon said there's no truth to Chinese basing. It
• 38:38
  Speaker 20: turns out no, there was no truth to Chinese basing,
• 38:41
  Speaker 20: just deepening security cooperation. So we could well see Russian
• 38:46
  Speaker 20: bombers turn up on visits to Indonesia and do the
• 38:49
  Speaker 20: kind of long range patrols they've been doing around Japan
• 38:52
  Speaker 20: and South Korea.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Why would they want that access to Indonesia.
• 38:59
  Speaker 20: Well, Putin wants to reclaim Russia's place as a great power,
• 39:04
  Speaker 20: and that means showing it can exert global influence and
• 39:09
  Speaker 20: they're also a strategic partner of China, as you mentioned,
• 39:13
  Speaker 20: so cooperating with their partner China in our part of
• 39:17
  Speaker 20: the world and sending the occasional nuclear armed bomber our
• 39:21
  Speaker 20: way to do patrols and send a message that sounds
• 39:25
  Speaker 20: entirely consistent with what Putin wants to do.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds entirely consistent with a growing threat to Australia.
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  Speaker 20: Well, yes, and that's why it's bizarre to have Richard
• 39:38
  Speaker 20: Miles not reading the tea leaves, not seeing Praboo is
• 39:42
  Speaker 20: doing what he said he would do. He's deepening defense
• 39:46
  Speaker 20: cooperation with Russia, so we'll see more of this. And
• 39:51
  Speaker 20: mister Miles telling us all to go back to sleep
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  Speaker 20: is the last thing a responsible defense min should do.
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  Speaker 20: He should be asking the Indonesia why two months after
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  Speaker 20: the meeting with Showgu and President Praboo he's last with
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  Speaker 20: the news.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, and one more reason to be very skeptical about
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump's apparent big plan to peel Russia off China.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: It ain't going to happen, and you should wake up
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: to what Putin's really up to. Michael Schubridge, thank you
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: so much, indeed for.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Your time Wow, it's the world going very crazy, very dangerous,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: very fast. After the break.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Now, whenever I criticized Donald Trump and get angry viewers
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: write it to me. They're angry again with me for
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: my comments about Donald Trump earlier this show. Already, I'm
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: getting it so well coming up with my response and
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: an old warning of how Trump has gone wrong. Back
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: to that report today that court the promise are unaware
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Russia asking Indonesia to let it base long range Air
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Force aircraft at Indonesia Manoir Air Force Base to our north. Now,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: that report initially seemed to be confirmed this afternoon by
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Defense Minister Richard Miles after Harry calls through Indonesia, when
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: he said Indonesia had not yet formally responded to Russia.
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  Speaker 17: At this point, Indonesia has not responded to this request.
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  Speaker 17: We will keep engaging with Indonesia in a way which
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  Speaker 17: befits a very close friend and a very close friendship.
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  Speaker 3: Yet an hour or so ago, mar said they he
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: now talked to Indonesia's Defense minister and being reassured the
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  Speaker 3: story was false, which is odd. You see, this was
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: reported by James the US online military site, usually authoritative,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: and it started unnamed Indonesian officials and noted that Russia
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: had asked for this access before as well, and this
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: time Indonesia's military was for it. You're got to ask
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: why Russia would even want a base in our region,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: unless it's to be ready to help China if China
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: started a war here, you know, invading Taiwan. And what's more,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Indonesia is undeniably getting closer to Russia, something Avenizi should
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: have known and been worried about. Indonesia's new president, Prabao Subianto,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: former general, met Russian President of Vladimir Putin last year
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: soon after he was elected and promised more military cooperation.
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  Speaker 18: I would like to invite Russian delegation.
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  Speaker 14: To our.
• 42:26
  Speaker 18: Defense conference and Defense exhibition in November twenty twenty four,
• 42:32
  Speaker 18: and also to invite Russian participation in our naval trade,
• 42:39
  Speaker 18: which we would like to carry out in the early
• 42:44
  Speaker 18: twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: Last November, Russia even sent warships to Indonesia to train
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: with Indonesia's navy, and in February, the head of Russia's
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Security Council, Sergey Shoigu, visited Indonesia's defenseman.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: So where this request the house.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Russian military aircraft in Indonesia was reportedly made, along with
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: other promises of more military Tiesgela.
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  Speaker 19: Would you concrete the form it? Mandi La Foi and
• 43:13
  Speaker 19: President Indonesia the Unpresident Hucia.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: In June, Indonesia's president will visit Russia again to sign
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: a trade deal and maybe also a military one. Join
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: me is Michael Schubridge, a former senior defense official now
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: founder and director of Strategic Analysis Australia. Michael, great to
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: see you again. So we've got you know, Richard Mars
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: telling us no, the story is completely false. Just after
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: before saying no, Indonesia hadn't formally responded, and yet we
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: also have clearly Indonesia getting closer to Russia.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: What's the truth there? Do you think?
• 43:54
  Speaker 20: Well, Andrew, it looks to me like Richard Miles and
• 43:57
  Speaker 20: the government were asleep about what is going on between
• 44:01
  Speaker 20: Indonesia and Russia, and now he's woken up quickly, made
• 44:05
  Speaker 20: a hurried phone call and he's telling us it's all right,
• 44:08
  Speaker 20: we can all go back to sleep too now. But
• 44:11
  Speaker 20: I think there is closer military cooperation happening between Indonesia
• 44:16
  Speaker 20: and Russia. And you've set out why President Praboo met
• 44:19
  Speaker 20: with Vladimir Putin. Proboo has said he wants closer defense cooperation.
• 44:23
  Speaker 20: They've done joint naval drills for the first time late
• 44:26
  Speaker 20: last year, and then the head of the Russian Security
• 44:30
  Speaker 20: Council met with Proboo in February when this deal would
• 44:34
  Speaker 20: have been put on the table. This has got all
• 44:36
  Speaker 20: the smell of the Solomon's China security deal about it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: You know, where we.
• 44:41
  Speaker 20: Sought assurances after being surprised and the Solomon said there's
• 44:45
  Speaker 20: no truth to Chinese basing. It turns out no, there
• 44:49
  Speaker 20: was no truth to Chinese basing, just deepening security cooperation.
• 44:54
  Speaker 20: So we could well see Russian bombers turn up on
• 44:57
  Speaker 20: visits to Indonesia and do the kind of long range
• 45:00
  Speaker 20: patrols they've been doing around Japan and South Korea.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Why would they want that access to Indonesia.
• 45:09
  Speaker 20: Well, Putin wants to reclaim Russia's places a great power,
• 45:14
  Speaker 20: and that means showing it can exert global influence. And
• 45:19
  Speaker 20: they're also a strategic partner of China, as you mentioned,
• 45:23
  Speaker 20: so cooperating with their partner China in our part of
• 45:27
  Speaker 20: the world and sending the occasional nuclear armed bomber our
• 45:31
  Speaker 20: way to do patrols and send a message that sounds
• 45:35
  Speaker 20: entirely consistent with what Putin wants to do.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: It sounds entirely consistent with a growing threat to Australia.
• 45:45
  Speaker 20: Well, yes, and that's why it's bizarre to have Richard
• 45:48
  Speaker 20: Miles not reading the tea leaves, not seeing Praboo is
• 45:52
  Speaker 20: doing what he said he would do. He's deepening defense
• 45:55
  Speaker 20: cooperation with Russia. So we'll see more of this. Mister
• 46:01
  Speaker 20: Miles telling us all to go back to sleep is
• 46:03
  Speaker 20: the last thing a responsible defense min should do. He
• 46:08
  Speaker 20: should be asking the Indonesians why two months after the
• 46:12
  Speaker 20: meeting with showgu and President Praboo, he's last with the news.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, and one more reason to be very skeptical about
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump's apparent big plan to peel Russia off China.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: It ain't going to happen, and you should wake up
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: to what Putin's really up to. Michael Schubridge, thank you
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: so much indeed for your time.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Wow, it's the.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: World going very crazy, very dangerous, very fast.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: After the break.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Now, whenever I criticized Donald Trump and get angry, viewers
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: write it to me. They're angry again with me for
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: my comments about Donald.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Trump earlier this show.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Already, I'm getting it so well, coming up with my
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: response and an a warning of how Trump has gone wrong.