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S2 E19: "Andor" Season 2, Episodes 10-12 Recap (SPOILERS) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there, it's time for most things Kenobi.
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  I prefer all things Kenobi, but I suppose that's not the Jedi
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  way. As long as it's not all things
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  Anakin. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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  episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and
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  all things Star Wars. I'm your host, Lauren.
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  And I'm your host, Leanne. And it's time to wrap up.
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  Andor, I don't know about you. It really is.
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  I'm exhausted from this recording schedule.
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  Biweekly has become a lot easier on our very, yeah, busy lives,
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  hasn't it I? Don't know how we used to do
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  this every week. Oh my Lord.
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  It's crazy. We were going at a pretty hard
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  clip, but Andor alone is exhausting.
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  Yeah. So.
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  Oh. My God, I'm physically tired.
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  I'm emotionally tired. I'm just spiritually tired.
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  It's it's. I'm done.
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  I'm Yeah. Well, so is Andor.
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  I mean, so is Cassian, period. I mean, oh man, we we've been
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  dying to record this episode since it aired.
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  Yeah, we've been delayed a few times and now we're finally
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  getting to. I'm so ready.
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  It's going to be cathartic. I've been like talking to
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  myself, walking around my house. I have so many feelings.
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  I just had to talk to myself about it.
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  I've talked to other people too, but it's it's not been enough.
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  It's not the same. It's not the same.
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  It's not, Yeah. Well, shall we?
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  Yeah, so spoiler alert, of course.
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  If spoiler, if you haven't watched what is it 1011 and 12
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  of Andor Season 2, then turn back now.
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  But let's launch into this bitch.
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  Yeah, God. And with that being said, we
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  have the the first episode, which in all seriousness,
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  probably my favorite episode of the season.
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  It was so. 10. So good it was I can.
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  Pretty much say it was my favorite episode of the season.
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  Yeah, I was on the edge of my seat, fully engaged the entire
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  time. The amount of emotion in every
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  piece of it. Yeah, Oh, my goodness.
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  It was very complex emotion. I was watching some interviews
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  with the actress who plays Clay, Elizabeth Delao, I think is her
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  name. And oh, my gosh, she's a new
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  actress. She's literally out of RADA, the
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  British school for drama, just like right before she got cast
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  in and or she just graduated drama school.
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  This is her first thing really ever.
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  Holy shit. Right.
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  She's amazing. Congrats to Hersh.
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  Kudos. Yeah, Tony Gilroy said they'd
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  cast someone else and then they, those people got, you know, jobs
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  somewhere else and they released them from their contract and
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  then found Elizabeth. And he was like, we weren't
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  really sure, you know, how she was going to be.
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  And he's like, after Season 1, it was like, she's very skilled.
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  So they wrote her a much bigger part in Season 2.
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  And thank God, 'cause it was. So fantastic.
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  She was she this this episode, I, I was moved from start to
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  finish in so many ways and like angry emotions and sad
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  desperate, you know, full of feeling emotions and just Oh my.
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  God, yeah. So hands off to her acting
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  abilities, which I had. No, you wouldn't.
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  You couldn't have told me at the beginning that she was fresh out
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  of acting school because she's really good.
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  And it was really obvious in this episode.
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  And I just have to say that I thought it was a very
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  appropriate send off for a really complex, pivotal
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  character like Lutheran. Especially the parting shot,
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  which I mean, we'll get to. But like, I thought it was a
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  very good way to say goodbye to him after all this.
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  And then even the lingering pieces that followed in the the
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  next two episodes, the mentioning of him, Lutheran is
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  one of those characters. It's like, is he good?
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  Is he bad? No, he's good.
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  But no, he's not that good. His intent is good.
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  Is it like, you know, and the way that what's his name?
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  Skarsgard. Stellen Skarsgard.
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  Stellen, excuse me, because there's like 15 of them.
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  Stellen's performance, he's he's a he's like a top notch actor
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  anyway, but his performance is just, it brought the nuances
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  that that character required and I just hats off.
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  Round of applause. Really.
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  Truly, I didn't want to see him go, but we knew it was coming.
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  You know the pain was coming. I think it's great that in his
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  final episode, they did all the flashbacks, so you get and they
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  Orient you to the character finally, this guy who's been
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  like a mystery the entire time. I think that was a really good
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  way of doing it. And Stellan was saying that he
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  and Tony had had conversations really early on, and originally
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  Tony had an idea that Stellan's family had been murdered while
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  Luthan's family, Luthan's family had been murdered.
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  And he was like on a revenge track.
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  And what they ended up doing is making him a soldier, which they
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  weren't 100% clear, but it seemed like he was in the Empire
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  and that Clea is the one who wanted revenge.
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  And Clea is the one who pushed Lutheran into being a
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  revolutionary because she was very clear she and.
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  Oh, it was very clear. They said this in the interview,
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  too. They're like, she always knew
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  that that's what she wanted, that she was ready to take
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  action. And Lutheran was the one who was
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  like, make sure you're sure and true sure.
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  She was very sure. I mean, also, kudos to the young
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  actress who played young Clay. Yeah.
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  Wow, she was great. My jaw literally dropped when I
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  realized what any of that was. Who was looking through.
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  Yeah. Like the the slats in the.
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  In the ship? In the ship, yeah.
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  And like, she was that she was like a runaway.
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  She was a not a captive. She was one of them that was
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  being attacked. And then when they they said
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  down the line, like, is this your daughter?
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  Yeah. And I mean, she basically became
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  that for him. Well, and he said, when it's
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  convenient, we will be. Right when it works when it
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  works. For us, when it fits us.
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  And I saw Elizabeth give an interview saying that Clea never
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  thought of him as her father, that she actually had a complex
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  a bunch of we're like, we're just jumping all around.
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  But like she said that basically when she kills Lutheran at the
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  end, that she doesn't using the part of herself that hates him
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  for what he did to her people. And she says she that's part of
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  why she's always so prickly is because she still carries that
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  pain that will always be between them.
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  But she also did grow to love him in a way.
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  And that's why you see the little soft moments between
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  them. I mean, it's, it's such a fun,
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  complex relationship. And now to go back and rewatch
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  it in that context, I think will be really interesting.
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  Totally. Well before any of this happens,
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  the opening sequence is actually present day.
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  It's not flashbacks of Lonnie reaching out to Luthan.
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  Yeah, with the big information. That so we, if I understand this
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  correctly, we have Lonnie to thank, yes, by way of Dedra,
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  yes. 'Cause apparently he got like
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  her passwords. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Wild. Yeah like such an interesting
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  way to reveal it. My only complaint is that they
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  left it to the last fucking second.
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  I feel like this really needed more of a run up considering how
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  complex Rogue One becomes. I don't believe that that all
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  gets like falls into place in a 24 hour period but whatever
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  that's fine. That's my only complaint with
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  this is the timeline basically. But.
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  Yeah, my God, I feel so bad for Lonnie.
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  He is like this unsung hero who's been sweating his ass off
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  trying to, like, pass information to the rebellion in
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  the belly of the beast, like right in the center of of all
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  the evil. And then that's.
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  It. That's it.
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  Lutheran kills him. Well, he had to have known.
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  The minute, the minute Lonnie was like, where are we going?
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  And Yavin, he says, Yavin, I was like, oh, he would not like he
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  wouldn't tell him that if he meant to take him there.
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  It's too risky. It's way too risky as.
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  Soon as he said that, I was like, oh, Lonnie.
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  He's dead. Yep, sweet summer child is back.
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  Exactly. Which is sad because he did
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  reveal he had a wife and a child and so of course they're left
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  behind with all of this. And the way it was, the way it
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  all played out, it the ISB didn't really catch on right
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  away that it was Lonnie. Lonnie wasn't just murdered.
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  You know, at first they kind of thought that's what happened.
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  And then they realized, oh, he's been in Dedra's files.
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  And it just becomes a very complex web very quickly in the
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  ISB. I love it.
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  It's really fun. I love the whole thing because
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  this is exactly how the fucking Empire operates and we've been
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  saying it since day one. You're only on top for a while
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  and then somehow that system will eat you.
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  It always does. You can't do everything
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  correctly in their eyes. You're always going to have a
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  misstep, and that misstep will always be used against you to
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  get rid of you. Because the target is always
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  moving, how are you ever supposed to hit it every single
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  time? Please may I talk about
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  something cinematography related really quick of.
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  Course, my favorite part. I didn't catch it the first time
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  I watched it because I was just so in the moment.
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  The second time I watched it I said what the fuck is that shot?
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  Holy shit. I did like pause it.
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  What? So after Lonnie says you know he
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  has the conversation with Lutheran, Lutheran leans in and
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  he says tell me about the weapon.
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  Then the next shot is Lutheran coming down the stairs.
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  Like walking away from that scene and it is the most extreme
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  Dutch angle I've ever seen. What is a Dutch angle?
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  So Dutch angle is what you know, most of the time it's like a
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  straight on shot. When it's Dutch angled, the the
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  vertical lines are not parallel to the size of the frame.
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  It's canted. So it'll, it'll like people
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  won't stand upright, they'll be, it'll look like they're like
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  tipped to the side a little bit. It's 'cause the camera is
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  tipped, obviously not the person.
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  If you watch this shot again, Lutheran is completely sideways.
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  His body is parallel with the bottom of the frame and he's
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  walking right to left across the screen even though he's going
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  downstairs. Oh wow.
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  It's nuts and it's. Awesome.
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  I don't know if I have to go back and look.
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  Yeah, because I I don't know that I would ever pick that out.
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  It's. So interesting.
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  So it's Dutch angle used to be Deutsch angle.
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  Like it's a German. It's German Expressionism.
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  And German expressionism happened after World War One,
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  and it was the first time warfare was urban, It was
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  mechanized, it was on a mass scale.
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  Before that, it was all fought on battlefields, you know, with
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  cannons and rifles and bayonets. Yeah, right.
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  True, Yeah. Now they had mustard gas and you
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  would breathe it in and die weeks later, you know, it was
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  just like. Horror.
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  So they started to use film to express that psychological
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  horror. Making canted angles was one way
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  to do. Sometimes they would even build
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  sets, like the Cabinet of Doctor Caligari is really famous.
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  All the sets are built crooked because that's crazy.
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  It's to make you feel crazy. It's to make you feel terrified
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  and unsettled. And like that's what a Dutch
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  angle is for. It implies disorientation,
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  unsteadiness, ominous foreshadowing, deeply disturbed
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  mental states. All of the above for this
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  moment. Lutheran finds out about the
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  Death Star and they cut to a shot like that immediately,
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  right? Like crazy.
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  He must have been so off center from what he normally is
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  feeling. And then by the time he gets to
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  the bottom of the stairs, he's upright again.
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  He's center in the frame. It's like it took that long for
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  him to realize what he had to do.
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  That's really cool. That's really cool.
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  I have to go back and rewatch. It's so awesome.
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  And this is like this, the subconscious dialogue of a
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  movie, right? It's like, right, this character
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  has just gotten the most frightening news he's probably
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  ever heard and realized he's probably gonna die and makes his
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  decision and knows exactly what he has to do after that.
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  It's so cool, yes. And then there's the scene of
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  him and Clay in the stairwell right after that.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the fart like establishing
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  shot is like jagged steps going up and it looks like they're in
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  a mouth. It looks like teeth.
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  Oh my God. Yeah.
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  And then the. I need to go back and rewatch
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  all. The stairwell.
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  Of these parts. Yeah, I mean, it's very, it
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  seems very deliberate in my opinion.
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  But the the the well looks like a throat and the the stairs look
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  like teeth. It's really cool.
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  It's like. OK, I need to see it again.
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  It's very. Cool.
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  I I loved the the imagery. It was really powerful in these
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  moments. And again, like if you're just
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  swept up and you're, I didn't see it the first time.
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  That's what I that's I didn't, I feel kind of like annoyed at
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  myself that I'm that I missed it.
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  But I'm such a feeler that I'm like, honed in on what the
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  people. Yeah, the motion and.
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  And there's a lot. There's a lot.
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  There's a lot going on with this, with Luthan talking to
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  Claya and telling her what she needs to do, which we find out
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  in the flashbacks has always been yeah, like their thing.
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  And like when I tell you to move, move.
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  Yeah. And she gets that little smile
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  on her face when he says it. Yeah, yeah.
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  That was. I liked the way they introduced
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  it without explaining it, and then they explained it later and
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  I was like, oh, that was a really nice way of it really was
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  putting those pieces together. I appreciated everything in this
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  episode, as painful and like intense as it was her
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  infiltration of that hospital. So smart and I and I actually
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  love how they thought it was multiple people but no, it's
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  just one clay. I know.
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  And I kept thinking, I kept thinking how in Season 1, Luthen
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  said. Build your exit on your way in.
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  And it was like, Clay knows how to do that so well.
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  She really did. I mean top to bottom and the
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  little tools she had left in like the craziest hiding spots
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  inside that safe house. You know, I wrote that it was
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  like a squirrel hiding nuts in a tree.
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  It was just. She really did like in the
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  foundation in in the fucking walls in the smart though.
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  Smart though. It was really smart.
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  Yeah, she said she actually bought, the actress bought a
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  kids radio set where you learn to, like, put a radio together
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  so that she had, like, learned some skills about actually
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  putting electronics together to do this part.
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  Yeah. I thought that was a cool.
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  It was good. It was good.
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  Yeah. It was a very pivotal moment
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  because, I mean, that's like her SOS going out.
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  Yeah. And they don't.
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  They don't. On the other side, they don't
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  know if it is Luthan or who it is.
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  Yeah, I mean, they thought it could have been a trap even.
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  Yeah, really. Man, well, how did you feel
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  during the the shot in the gallery when Dedra shows up
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  while Luthan is there? Well, I knew the second he took
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  out a knife that that was very purposeful and it wasn't going
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  in. It wasn't going in her because
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  he's too smart to try and kill an ISB agent.
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  I didn't know that she was going to present any of this the way
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  that she did. It was very tense and very
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  awkward. And when they finally dropped
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  the pretenses and said, I know exactly who you are and well,
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  I've known who you are. No, no, no.
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  You know, like I was like, OK, now we're getting to the meat of
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  this. But I think I think the second
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  that Lutheran saw she was at the door, he's like.
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  This is it, Yeah, this is. This is it and.
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  I and it was, I guess, Lana. Did was.
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  Warn him. I guess I kind of forgot about.
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  That right, right, but I mean like he went back and destroyed
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  everything and the very we don't know that though, because we
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  only see him pouring that metal acid looking thing onto the and
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  and and it doesn't quite get the whole thing before Deidre shows
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  up. And so in the background of all
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  this, I'm like, please tell me that was destroyed.
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  Please tell me like, please, because if he's like killing,
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  trying to kill himself, you would think he he dotted all of
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  his eyes before doing this. So I had to trust that.
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  But like, the whole thing was so fucking tense and Deidre really
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  thought she did something. She really thought she did
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  something. Oh man, that for her character
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  to to end up this way, because she started kind of with this
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  whole aggressive and tenacious approach and it worked well for
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  her and now it's getting her into serious trouble.
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  Yeah, yeah. She was so good though this
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  scene, she performed so well. Well, I have a lot to say about
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  her character when we get to like later the later the latter
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  2 episodes. Excuse me, and and and.
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  Lutheran didn't quite finish himself.
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  I know the whole fear of like maybe he won't die, which is a
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  terrible. Place to to be honestly, I knew
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  that Clay made the decision. She has to go in and finish it
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  because that's exactly what Lutheran would have expected her
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  to do. He would have wanted it to be
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  her, yeah. Totally.
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  She has like nerves of steel. Like I said last episode, if I
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  had half the nerve that this character had like, Oh my God, I
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  could do anything. But she she just decided made it
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  happen in a similar situation. That would be an extremely
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  difficult decision to make. But I, I have to believe that
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  Lutheran, she knew going in, Luther would accept no other
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  move from her. Don't try to save them.
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  Don't try to get him out of there.
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  This has to be the way it's done.
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  And honestly, when he does pass, he passes rather peacefully and
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  you know, in bed, you know, in a way he got the last laugh on him
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  because, you know, even though he was almost resuscitated back
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  with all of their technology, he still had Clea.
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  A terrible thing to be put on Clea.
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  But if anyone was going to do it, she could do it.
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  And she did. I mean, Oh my God, she she
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  covered her tracks and then some.
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  That hospital scene. Oh my God, that was better than
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  some full on action movies that I've seen.
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  Yes. Like in theaters?
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  This felt more like spy. What's the word spycraft, which
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  they kept saying Andor was gonna be a a, an espionage show and it
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  kind of fell away from that. I feel like for a while this
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  felt like it. This is her this sneaking in
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  those those outfits looked like one step up from Narcena 5.
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  Honest to God forms I thought that I thought but they had like
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  what are they? Are all the nurses and doctors
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  wearing socks? And Jelly sandals like the dude
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  like they had. Jelly shoes.
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  OK, that's what I thought and I'm just like what the fuck had
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  Jelly shoes? They must.
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  Not spill fluids ever on those floors if you have a Jelly shoe
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  with socks so. Impractical.
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  Oh my God. But honestly I kind of felt for
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  like the old alien that she was like pushing along.
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  Like that poor creature had no fucking idea what she was in the
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  middle of. I felt so bad for her.
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  She was. I was like, please don't let
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  anything happen to her. You know that that was they use
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  that same alien on Niyamos, Cassian walks by and it's
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  sitting on the watch there and they in the elevator scene where
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  she's sitting with the the alien in the elevator, the Niyamos mix
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  is playing in the back. Oh my God.
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  I don't know if. She's an icon.
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  The same character but it's the same alien it though so.
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  She's an icon, Whoever that bitch was, she's an icon.
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  She's over in like she's over there playing pinochle with the
• 22:03
  rest of the the old, the old folks, It's key.
• 22:06
  While the rest of the hospital's getting blown up by ISP, an
• 22:09
  empire. And she's just like, what was
• 22:11
  that? I just feel for her, whoever she
• 22:13
  is kicking, I know her feet. You know, Oh my God, I really
• 22:19
  want the best for her. Whoever she is, I want the best
• 22:22
  for her. This is precious God.
• 22:25
  I feel like the the whole sequence where we first start to
• 22:29
  see the flashbacks of Lutheran, At first, like you, I was like,
• 22:32
  who is this? Because you only see their legs
• 22:34
  come in and sit down. Yeah.
• 22:36
  Right. No.
• 22:36
  And I realized it was Luther. I was like, oh, this is going to
• 22:39
  be really fucking cool. Which is so funny because the
• 22:41
  last episode I said we haven't had any flashbacks and you know.
• 22:43
  It's so funny. It's so funny because I thought
• 22:46
  of you and I'm like, oh, here we go.
• 22:48
  We getting flashback? They were perfect though.
• 22:52
  If any, if anything, in season 2 deserved a flashback.
• 22:56
  This was it, Yeah. Really.
• 22:58
  Yeah. For.
• 22:58
  Sure, it filled in so much in such a short amount of time.
• 23:02
  It was just really like. Yeah, it was so good.
• 23:06
  So I thought it was interesting about Lutheran because he was
• 23:09
  speaking another language. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:13
  So they like giving us his back story but still keeping part of
• 23:16
  him a secret from us, which is? Which I'm totally fine with.
• 23:20
  Yeah, it's really cool. This, the whole thing though,
• 23:23
  really reminded me of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
• 23:27
  Like what you're hearing in the background and how like they're,
• 23:30
  you could hear them saying like, oh, there's more down in the
• 23:33
  basement and stuff like that. Because I watched it with
• 23:35
  subtitles you could hear over his radio.
• 23:38
  Because obviously Tony Gilroy is trying to make a lot of
• 23:40
  references to World War 2. That's what it made me think of.
• 23:43
  So I was like, is he empire? Is he separatist?
• 23:49
  Is he Republican? What is he?
• 23:51
  I couldn't quite tell, honestly. Maybe that's part of the
• 23:54
  mystery, too. Yeah.
• 23:57
  It would make sense if he was on the other side and then
• 24:02
  converted to being a rebel because obviously whatever they
• 24:05
  were doing, he wanted it to stop because that's what he kept
• 24:07
  saying. And so make a stop, make a stop,
• 24:10
  make a stop, make a stop. So I, I have to believe that he
• 24:13
  wasn't comfortable with whatever, you know?
• 24:17
  Yeah, it was too horrific to live with, basically.
• 24:22
  Yeah, and then the little girl he found ended up kind of
• 24:26
  propelling him forward out of that and into whatever their
• 24:29
  future was together. Yeah.
• 24:31
  I wonder if he thought like, thought of it as like a bit of
• 24:34
  salvation, you know, to or like, yeah, I don't know, by saving
• 24:37
  her, he could somehow atone. Well he asked to make it stop
• 24:41
  and she was his out for that so. Yeah.
• 24:44
  He could make it stop by helping her and getting the fuck out of
• 24:47
  there. Whatever there is, like his
• 24:50
  assignment, his yeah rank, whatever, whoever he worked for,
• 24:54
  whatever that was. Yeah, yeah, he he had a another
• 24:59
  name too. His name.
• 25:00
  They called him Sergeant Lear. So yeah, which Lear is his is
• 25:06
  rail backwards Lutheran rail? Oh my fucking God.
• 25:11
  Isn't that I didn't catch? That either how stupid.
• 25:16
  I mean, how stupid am I that Oh my God damn there's a lot going
• 25:21
  on in these episodes. I didn't even catch it.
• 25:23
  I liked it without all these tidbits.
• 25:25
  I mean, I didn't even know. Like again, I watched him with
• 25:28
  subtitles. Without that I didn't know.
• 25:30
  They even said his name. I heard them say Sergeant
• 25:32
  something, but I didn't hear what they said.
• 25:34
  So it it took me a little bit of I was studying to figure it out.
• 25:40
  I guess I was more focused on the fact he was a Sergeant
• 25:43
  because I was like OK, now I know where he gets his tact
• 25:46
  from. Like the his his skill with
• 25:49
  getting all of this done. He's not just some dude, right?
• 25:53
  So takes one to no one situation.
• 25:55
  So and then he says we're Lutheran and Claya now to her.
• 26:02
  Yeah. And I was like.
• 26:04
  Oh, I wonder if her name is backwards too.
• 26:07
  Yeah, well, maybe. That would be weird.
• 26:11
  I don't think I could pronounce that.
• 26:13
  Clay a yah lock cheese. I'll just pass.
• 26:21
  That's a very Star Wars name, honestly.
• 26:23
  Yeah, probably pronounceable. I wanted to ask you, too.
• 26:28
  OK, So that part of the flashback where they're sitting
• 26:30
  at the nice little cafe and they're.
• 26:33
  Yeah, every flashback you notice they're dressed slightly nicer
• 26:35
  and nicer, you know? They're getting money from
• 26:38
  somewhere. Yeah, well, he's selling his
• 26:40
  antiques and making some money. Was that Naboo?
• 26:46
  It sure looked like it. I mean it, it sure fucking
• 26:49
  looked like it. I mean I don't know but it my
• 26:53
  first thought was are they on fucking the booth blowing shit
• 26:56
  up like right? It looked like that bridge that
• 26:58
  her Padme's funeral. Procession.
• 27:01
  The funeral bridge. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:03
  Which is fucking wild if you think about it.
• 27:06
  Yeah, that's, I mean. Like you're in Palpatine's
• 27:09
  backyard, literal backyard blowing shit up.
• 27:13
  Maybe you shouldn't be doing it, but I think it's ballsy.
• 27:15
  And if they were, I couldn't quite couldn't quite tell, but
• 27:19
  it sure the whole thing struck me as Oh God, I've seen this
• 27:23
  before. I've seen this bridge.
• 27:24
  I've seen this area. Right.
• 27:25
  It felt familiar. All the locations they felt that
• 27:29
  were so beautiful like this. The mountain town.
• 27:32
  Oh, I think that's in Spain. It was so beautiful.
• 27:37
  What great locations? Yeah, I know.
• 27:40
  I was thinking like, man, this would have been fun to to film
• 27:44
  here. So I guess what the the episode,
• 27:50
  I guess it just ends after she well, we haven't even talked
• 27:54
  about Dedra getting arrested. She gets arrested in this
• 27:58
  episode. Yeah, I can't.
• 28:00
  So I didn't. I don't have any notes.
• 28:02
  So I'm leaning on you again to kind of walk us through the
• 28:04
  timeline. OK, how far do we get with her
• 28:08
  arrest and her she goes? Does she get questioned in this
• 28:12
  episode? No, it's the beginning of the
• 28:14
  next episode. Because I got shit to say about.
• 28:18
  That let's just jump there, please, because that.
• 28:20
  Shall we? Was fucking awesome.
• 28:24
  Why? Why have we not been using Ben
• 28:26
  Mendelsohn more please guys he. Costs money.
• 28:33
  Hi, he is so fucking good. Ed's chronic.
• 28:37
  I can't get over how good that scene was.
• 28:40
  The framing of him standing behind her.
• 28:43
  How fucking unnerving. And his head wasn't in the shot.
• 28:46
  You didn't need to see his head in the shot, you already knew.
• 28:50
  I mean Oh my God, how unnerving the whole thing.
• 28:54
  And then he would when he gets down and gets in her face.
• 28:57
  Yes. And whoever writes his like
• 29:01
  sassy 1 liners in return of whatever she's saying, he has a
• 29:06
  better line to deliver back. And he makes good points.
• 29:10
  Everything she tried to say, he countered with something and he
• 29:15
  was right. Like, we can't worry about this
• 29:18
  and you need to tell me this and we need to cover this right now
• 29:21
  and all this. It was, so I was turned on.
• 29:26
  I'll just say it. It's hard not to be.
• 29:28
  It was very, very good. And his, his Cape was on point,
• 29:33
  pressed, ready to go as usual. But he, he was in no fucking
• 29:36
  mood. He was in no fucking mood.
• 29:38
  Yeah. And she should have known the
• 29:40
  second he stepped in that room, it was over.
• 29:42
  Shit done. I mean, it was done.
• 29:44
  She could hear the cameras turned off, and she was
• 29:46
  immediately afraid. Yeah, And then he stood behind.
• 29:50
  Do you know that? That's a fucking power move to
• 29:53
  stand behind someone. And he, Ben Mendelsohn, is not
• 29:55
  that tall. He's not that tall.
• 29:57
  Nobody. Dwarfed her and she is really
• 29:59
  tall. Yeah.
• 30:00
  And so the fact that they were able to get like the scaling so
• 30:04
  that he was imposing and she was diminutive, which her entire
• 30:09
  life she's been trying to be imposing, yes, and in control
• 30:14
  and all this stuff. And oh, such faith in the
• 30:17
  Empire. Dedra, how's that feeling for
• 30:20
  you? And you fell right into the trap
• 30:22
  they set. Perfectly, Yeah.
• 30:24
  Walked right into it and I. I right into it I.
• 30:27
  Feel like sorry for her on a level because since she was
• 30:31
  taken as a child she has been brainwashed her entire life but
• 30:35
  granted she believes it. But you know how much can you
• 30:39
  blame a person when they've been fed this since they were an
• 30:42
  infant? She didn't stand a chance but
• 30:45
  the I love how the framing of that cut Krenik off.
• 30:49
  Like basically right above his mouth or his nose.
• 30:52
  It's so dehumanizing. He has no humanity.
• 30:56
  You know, there's nothing to appeal to there.
• 30:58
  And I heard that that move where he pokes her on the top of the
• 31:02
  head. Oh I fucking loved every sick.
• 31:04
  I'm jumping in my chair. I loved that so much.
• 31:07
  Please poke me in the head. Credit please, I'm begging you.
• 31:12
  I want aggressively poked in the head like that.
• 31:15
  I'm sorry. I totally cut you off.
• 31:17
  I'm so sorry, Chill, I need to call myself okay?
• 31:23
  You've only ever seen you. Get this excited when Vader
• 31:26
  dragged a lady down a street. Amen, bitch, we're on.
• 31:30
  We're on a level below this. What is wrong with me?
• 31:36
  Don't answer that question. It's like my best friend Derek
• 31:42
  says the bad guys are more interesting and I have to agree.
• 31:45
  I have to agree. I mean, they definitely don't
• 31:48
  think they're bad guys and that's what like adds to the.
• 31:51
  Whole I know I love everything So what were you going to say?
• 31:54
  I'm so sorry. The poking.
• 31:55
  The head, he improved it. It was not in the script.
• 31:58
  That's Ben Mendez. That's even hotter.
• 32:01
  Oh shit, no. Shit, Leanne needs someone to
• 32:05
  throw a bucket of cold water on her right now.
• 32:09
  What did Deidre think? Imagine being Denise to be like
• 32:12
  what the fuck is he doing? Yeah, like her.
• 32:15
  Her reaction is genuine. She was just like, terrified.
• 32:19
  I actually, I wanted to know too, if when he grabs her by the
• 32:22
  head, if that was also improv because that, I mean, it's when
• 32:25
  chronic is in your personal space.
• 32:28
  It's very frightening. But also it's gonna be
• 32:31
  frightening. Awesome to watch.
• 32:33
  It isn't. It is if it's not real life.
• 32:35
  It was real life. It would be super.
• 32:36
  Obscurect. Yeah, totally.
• 32:38
  Very very very beside ourselves and panic attacking.
• 32:41
  But what I think is so funny about all this is how little he
• 32:46
  is on the grand totem pole. And we see it in Rogue One.
• 32:49
  He literally gets choked by Vader.
• 32:51
  Yes, I saw, I think Star Wars explained, did a whole picture
• 32:56
  of there's always a bigger fish. And it was Dedra all the way up
• 33:00
  to Emperor and everyone always, everyone on this list thinks
• 33:04
  they're the top fucking dog and there's always a mistake.
• 33:07
  Yeah, and. And The thing is, is the Empire
• 33:11
  gives you just enough leash, right?
• 33:13
  Yeah, just enough leash to hang yourself with.
• 33:16
  And that's what every single one of these fuckers have done.
• 33:19
  Yeah, with that goes to part of GAS too.
• 33:23
  Yeah. There is no one is safe.
• 33:26
  I know that whole exchange with particas and chronic is very
• 33:30
  interesting. God.
• 33:32
  Yeah, okay, We're not there yet. They're not there yet.
• 33:35
  No, it's so good. I love it.
• 33:40
  And then just one more thing when Dedra walks, like Chronic
• 33:44
  leaves her right, how her hair didn't just go poof after, like
• 33:49
  the nerves and her hair just cut, you know, like in a
• 33:52
  cartoon, like you lose all the hairpins and your hair just like
• 33:56
  puffs out. That's what I would have.
• 33:58
  So he goes out and he makes like a comment or two to whoever's
• 34:01
  out in the hallway and stuff. And then they just leave her
• 34:04
  like an afterthought. Fucking horrible.
• 34:07
  I love. It you can see him, he's being
• 34:08
  told that Lutheran is dead. Yeah.
• 34:11
  And he gets this look like a. Motherfucker, I know one more
• 34:16
  thing on the list. Yep.
• 34:18
  It's so good. Oh my God.
• 34:20
  I, I really feel like the whole time watching all of these three
• 34:26
  episodes, I kept thinking, this is what I've been waiting for.
• 34:31
  These dynamics, this kind of writing.
• 34:34
  I think it should have been been much more than three episodes.
• 34:38
  Well, it should have been in the last set of three.
• 34:41
  Whether it was somewhere in the middle, maybe the start it just.
• 34:44
  Introduces it in a little more and then we could have been it
• 34:48
  was the most enjoyable parts are the parts that are really
• 34:51
  reminiscent. I mean, to me some of the most
• 34:54
  enjoyable parts are reminiscent of Rogue 1A. 100%.
• 34:58
  It's rewarding to an audience that's already, you know, in
• 35:01
  love with that piece of work. So that's why I was like, really
• 35:06
  loving this. We're starting to see Chronic is
• 35:07
  now under pressure because his pilot, his Edu pilot has already
• 35:13
  defected to saw the rebellion doesn't know it yet, but they're
• 35:16
  about to learn about it, right? Because that's what Tivic is
• 35:19
  going to tell Cassian. And so Chronic is like
• 35:22
  desperately trying to scramble to close the the leak.
• 35:27
  And that's why he's suddenly at the ISB shithole headquarters,
• 35:32
  which has been really nice to all of us.
• 35:34
  Like, we think it's fancy. Chronic thinks it's a pile of
• 35:37
  garbage there. Well, shit.
• 35:39
  Half of them are dead or all of them have somehow found their
• 35:43
  way out, whether they're in prison or they're dead or
• 35:47
  they're they've been shifted somewhere else, like Oh my God.
• 35:52
  And. The the one guy I thought was
• 35:54
  gonna die is the only one who lived.
• 35:57
  The the guy was like balding who who told part of gas that
• 36:02
  they're waiting for you. He's the one I was like, after
• 36:04
  the last episode with Mon Mothma and he's on the radio and she
• 36:07
  gets away. I was like, well, that guy's
• 36:09
  gonna die and he's still there. He's the one that.
• 36:13
  He's the essentially, he's the Piet of of this.
• 36:17
  He, he really is. He is actually.
• 36:19
  That is, that is the the best. Yeah, analogy, truly.
• 36:24
  Oh my God. Does part of gas go in this
• 36:27
  episode or is it the third episode?
• 36:30
  It's good question. The third of these three.
• 36:33
  I think it's the third, yeah. OK.
• 36:36
  All right, I'll wait. Yeah, I think it is.
• 36:38
  Yeah, it's a great. All the scenes with him are a
• 36:42
  delight in them because he's such a good actor.
• 36:45
  Truly, truly. OK, So then Clay goes back to
• 36:49
  the safe house. She's back at the safe house.
• 36:51
  She's got her little little gadgets.
• 36:54
  She makes her radio and she starts radioing out and we
• 36:57
  assume it's like an SOS signal. And then we cut to Yavin.
• 37:02
  Right. And the card game, yeah.
• 37:05
  Like it looks like a like they described it as like a frat
• 37:11
  house where Melchi and K2 and Cassie and they're all living in
• 37:15
  this jungle villa. Here's.
• 37:19
  Here's the thing, what a brilliant way to just integrate
• 37:24
  K2 into like just every day he's slumped in that giant body of
• 37:31
  his. He's over that table up to his
• 37:36
  elbows and he's holding these cards and he's doing the Droid
• 37:39
  thing with the statistics and the, and the the probabilities
• 37:43
  and this that and the other thing and the eyeballs, the
• 37:46
  eyes. It's so comical to me.
• 37:50
  I remembered why he might be my favorite Droid because it's just
• 37:58
  brilliant how he went from this well and we see his power in
• 38:03
  this fucking episode. It's it's awesome.
• 38:06
  It's so. Great.
• 38:08
  Holy shit. So we OK, but I loved, I love
• 38:12
  the little the bro, the bro scene.
• 38:15
  K2's just trying to figure out human emotion, trying to figure
• 38:19
  out cards. There's some sassy back talk.
• 38:22
  I just, it was very cute. It was cute to see them kind of
• 38:25
  at ease for once. It's the first time in timeline
• 38:30
  basically that you see Cassie and laughing.
• 38:34
  It'll be the last time we see him laugh as well, right up
• 38:37
  until. When Kay slaps him in the face,
• 38:40
  then he he laughs. There, that's right, that.
• 38:43
  That's really just Diego laughing, but that's OK.
• 38:45
  I like that they left it in. Correct.
• 38:47
  Yeah. Wait, that wasn't that was an
• 38:48
  improv. Too right?
• 38:49
  It was, yes. OK, that's what I thought and
• 38:52
  they. Said that Diego laughing was
• 38:54
  actually him breaking character, but they liked it enough to
• 38:56
  leave it in. So yeah, I, I think, yeah, I
• 39:01
  know. I, I saw some somebody posted on
• 39:04
  Tumblr and I thought this was very funny that you know, that
• 39:07
  Vicks breaks up with Cassie and and he looks healthier and
• 39:10
  happier than he's ever looked before.
• 39:13
  I. Mean.
• 39:14
  I'm like, some relationships aren't good for you.
• 39:17
  Yeah, I was like, he, I don't know.
• 39:19
  Do you think they de aged him a little bit for these episodes?
• 39:23
  He looked very beautiful. I can never tell.
• 39:26
  Listen, I can never tell because they they got the hair and
• 39:30
  everything. This is the seamless transition
• 39:33
  to Rogue One. So it's got to look like he's
• 39:35
  younger. He was, how many years ago was
• 39:37
  that? Like almost 10.
• 39:39
  Yeah, it was close to it was 2016, so.
• 39:43
  Yeah, yeah, exactly. So like everyone ages, so I'm
• 39:46
  sure they had to like smooth it out a little bit.
• 39:48
  But I am the worst person to ask when it comes to like the trick
• 39:52
  of of de aging. It's kind of funny.
• 39:54
  I'm not good at. Because they have, I don't think
• 39:56
  they have been de aging him the whole show and then to do it in
• 39:59
  these last few episodes where he's actually older than he was
• 40:02
  in the earlier episodes, but de aging.
• 40:04
  So he looks like he's in Rogue. What I was like, this is getting
• 40:08
  a little out of hand. I didn't really notice it that
• 40:11
  much. I noticed that his hair was was
• 40:14
  different but at the same time I thought he looked super young
• 40:17
  when he was the fashion designer when he was posing as the
• 40:20
  fascist. So like, it really depends.
• 40:23
  He looked very, very beautiful. I was.
• 40:27
  I was here for it. We we know you're here for it.
• 40:31
  I mean, Diaboluna is not an unfortunate looking individual
• 40:36
  by any means. What a way to think that.
• 40:40
  Well, I'm trying to. What I'm trying to say is very
• 40:42
  handsome, so it'd be hard for them to fuck that up.
• 40:46
  Like, I mean, they're working and they didn't a really good
• 40:51
  palette to work with. Yeah, I don't know.
• 40:53
  He looks really good. I don't know.
• 40:54
  He looks, really. Look at your face.
• 40:56
  I know, I feel like I'm getting really.
• 40:58
  Sorry I. I feel very those are supposed.
• 41:02
  To be the depressing episodes. Damn.
• 41:05
  I'm here, I'm not. Do I have to come over there and
• 41:09
  aggressively poke you in the head?
• 41:11
  Now I need a cold bucket of water throwing on me.
• 41:14
  I'm I'm overheating. Jesus, oh God, thank you all for
• 41:19
  just bearing with us. What is Star Wars if not
• 41:27
  something beautiful to look at? So.
• 41:29
  Listen, I know there's chronic fans out there.
• 41:31
  In fact, my my friend Dan. Dan, he's a, he's a Ben
• 41:36
  Mendelsohn fan. So I don't want to, I don't want
• 41:38
  to hear it. I'm not.
• 41:39
  I'm not crazy. Diane, where are you?
• 41:40
  Diane, I know you out there. Yeah, Yep.
• 41:43
  Listen, we're all, we're all here for the chronic business.
• 41:47
  So. Yes, it's not enough chronic.
• 41:50
  Honestly, there was not enough chronic.
• 41:52
  There was not enough K2. There should have been at least
• 41:55
  three more episodes of both those characters.
• 41:58
  But. Honest to God the K2 moments we
• 42:00
  got were fantastic. I loved when he just it's so
• 42:05
  funny because of the way that Droid is shaped.
• 42:08
  It is, it is an unfortunate shape for a Droid.
• 42:12
  They're top heavy, they're lanky, they're hunched, you know
• 42:16
  what I mean? And they kind of they kind of
• 42:19
  stomp forward, you know, with like their arms don't move.
• 42:23
  So they look like Frankenstein and they're, you know.
• 42:26
  They're like deceptively agile. You think it's going to be
• 42:30
  lumbering, but it's really strong and terrifying.
• 42:34
  Very and that I I for a second I thought how I we know they're
• 42:39
  going to get out of that safe house When when Diego see what
• 42:43
  happened now when Cassian and his boy are are there trying to
• 42:50
  save Clay. See I'm all distracted now.
• 42:52
  I can't remember names, numbers, tell, whatever.
• 42:55
  Well, it takes his critics. Cape and Leanne can't remember
• 42:58
  anything. Cassian's hair and Cassian's
• 43:01
  hair. Cassian's hair and facial hair
• 43:04
  and facial structure and jackets.
• 43:07
  His jackets are the best jackets.
• 43:08
  Ever. These are all these are all the
• 43:10
  characters of Star Wars that are not recognized.
• 43:13
  Not enough hairs and jackets, The cloaks.
• 43:17
  Yeah. It's true.
• 43:19
  You know, we did an episode all about Obi Wan Kenobi's hair.
• 43:21
  We should do an episode about all the other great hair.
• 43:25
  No, what we should do is about all the capes in in Star Wars,
• 43:28
  because there are many good capes out there.
• 43:31
  It's. True.
• 43:32
  It's true. Can we?
• 43:32
  And we can do hair, thank you. Why not top to bottom hair down
• 43:37
  to the down to the cloak Jesus. We have derailed ourselves.
• 43:47
  Oh, my God, my face is so red. I'm so warm.
• 43:50
  All right, let's get back on track here.
• 43:53
  Where are we? Are we in the safe house?
• 43:56
  Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
• 43:57
  So on, Gavin. There we go.
• 43:59
  We're on Gavin. They got the message from Clay
• 44:02
  and then they're gonna go rescue.
• 44:05
  Her, well, Will got it, yes, and I think it was nice that Will
• 44:08
  kept the radio on. Yeah.
• 44:11
  Like he kept the signal open, Like these little pieces of
• 44:15
  Luthan are still working together, even though it's a
• 44:17
  much larger entity now. Yes, and it's against the rules
• 44:20
  for them to have outside radios and he's still kept it.
• 44:24
  Well, then there's the scene with Partigez, Chronic and Hert
• 44:28
  Hert HOERTE. However you say that guys.
• 44:32
  It's a difficult name. Hert.
• 44:36
  I don't know, but that was an interesting scene.
• 44:38
  Ben Mendelsohn was so good in that scene.
• 44:42
  So good. Oh my gosh.
• 44:43
  And he said something about the ever lengthening ISB death
• 44:47
  March. Yes, that was a really good way
• 44:50
  to phrase that. Yeah, honest to God.
• 44:53
  And part, I guess, just gets this look on his face like I
• 44:55
  might be on that March myself. Yeah, he was.
• 45:00
  He was. Yeah.
• 45:01
  Oh. My God.
• 45:01
  He's he. I feel like he's been around
• 45:04
  longer and you could see the fear in his eyes when the the
• 45:09
  takedown of the safe house goes wrong and he knows it.
• 45:13
  Yes, yeah. And I feel like even in the very
• 45:15
  first episode with Chronic, you kind of see, we're in dangerous
• 45:19
  territory here. And as they they start to go
• 45:22
  deeper and deeper into these covert operations that are
• 45:26
  actually for the Death Star, that it's more and more likely
• 45:30
  that all this shit is going to fall apart and they're going to
• 45:33
  get eaten up by the machine. And I feel like party guys kind
• 45:35
  of had a sense that that was coming.
• 45:38
  Yeah, I mean, he should have because it seems like he's been
• 45:41
  around longer. He's in he, he talks to Admiral
• 45:45
  Ularen, he talks to Ularen. So he's on a level where.
• 45:50
  And. The Emperor.
• 45:51
  So like he's kind of up there and he should, he should know.
• 45:55
  And that's why he knew enough to just kind of end it himself,
• 46:00
  because what they were about to do to him.
• 46:02
  Yeah. At least what's his name gave
• 46:05
  him the the the space to do it. And I actually thought, that's
• 46:09
  in another episode, isn't it? I'm jumping ahead.
• 46:11
  It is, but yeah, it was. It's like he respected part of
• 46:14
  gas enough to give him that moment to.
• 46:17
  He turned his back, faced the stormtroopers, and I like how it
• 46:21
  happened in the stormtroopers raise their guns and he just
• 46:23
  raised his hand and said no, yeah, it's fine.
• 46:26
  Give it a like he knew everyone, knew it was unspoken, and just
• 46:30
  let it happen. Yeah, right.
• 46:32
  Yeah, and you know, it's kind of interesting how many deaths in
• 46:36
  this show are off screen, which I think is why Luthan and Cyril
• 46:41
  are like so impactful because they're kind of the only ones
• 46:44
  that you see. Even Brasso it you don't see it.
• 46:48
  No. So yeah, but they did hide.
• 46:52
  They did hide the blood because we always say like, they just
• 46:54
  can't take blood, OnStar. Wars.
• 46:57
  But Lutheran, I didn't actually know if he did, like where he
• 47:01
  cut himself or stabbed himself or whatever he did.
• 47:05
  Like, it's not really visible or noticeable, especially on the
• 47:09
  table. I was looking at his throat.
• 47:11
  That's what he probably should have done.
• 47:13
  That's what. I know I you and I are such
• 47:16
  space twins. Oh my God.
• 47:17
  Isn't that isn't that crazy? Like I had the same I was like
• 47:21
  he would have died faster if he cut his femoral artery in his
• 47:25
  leg. I just think that maybe it was
• 47:27
  too much for Star. Wars.
• 47:28
  Yes, I think so. I was you.
• 47:31
  I was having this exact thought process earlier today, yeah.
• 47:35
  There we go. I was like it, OK, They had to
• 47:37
  make it, you know, something where there wasn't gallons of
• 47:41
  blood all over. Yeah, exactly because.
• 47:46
  Lutheran is smart enough, I think, to have done that, but he
• 47:49
  is Star Wars, so. I understood that.
• 47:53
  I understood what was going on, but.
• 47:55
  Plus it created all this tension and an excuse for Clea to go
• 47:59
  after him and it. Gave us badass Clea, which I am
• 48:03
  always here for and I'm I'm actually glad she made it.
• 48:06
  I am so. We can talk about that.
• 48:07
  We'll talk about that. Sorry.
• 48:10
  OK, so Kathy and Melchi and Kay are now getting ready and
• 48:15
  they're going to go see who this emergency signals from.
• 48:18
  They don't know it's from Clay, but right.
• 48:20
  It's kind of interesting because it is a bit of a throwback to
• 48:24
  Rogue One. When they get on the ship, they
• 48:26
  don't have permission to take off.
• 48:27
  And you could hear in the background someone saying you're
• 48:31
  not authorized to take this ship and that they need to stand
• 48:34
  down. And it's Tony Gilroy is the
• 48:36
  voice over the radio. I didn't know that.
• 48:39
  And it's Tony Gilroy in Rogue One who says you're not
• 48:43
  authorized Rogue One, There is no Rogue One, so he's playing
• 48:46
  the same character. Oh that's nice.
• 48:50
  Oh shit, I didn't notice that. Awesome, I thought that was
• 48:53
  cute, but can I just have a little gripe for a second?
• 48:58
  I have a lot of gripes, we just haven't gotten to them yet.
• 49:00
  I know I actually do too. I have quite a lot.
• 49:02
  Something about this timeline is really frustrating and like how
• 49:06
  Draven is pissed that Cassian keeps breaking protocol
• 49:10
  basically and like going against the rules.
• 49:14
  I have two complaints about this.
• 49:15
  First of all, in Rogue One, it's implied that when Cassian
• 49:18
  decides to not shoot Galen and when he decides to like go with
• 49:21
  Gin, he's basically going AWOL with Gin.
• 49:26
  That's a big decision for him to make because he is someone who
• 49:29
  follows the rules, right? So they've they've had him just
• 49:34
  breaking all the rules in Andor and not taking anything about
• 49:38
  the rebellion seriously. And it's completely out of
• 49:42
  character for who he is in Rogue One, which is now literally like
• 49:46
  24 hours away from this stuff that's happening.
• 49:50
  So I find that to be really incongruous writing and it's
• 49:53
  really frustrating. Also, they keep saying we have
• 49:58
  these rules in place because we're barely established as the
• 50:01
  rebellion and blah blah blah. A New Hope is taking place in
• 50:04
  about like 3 days from now. That's a very good point.
• 50:10
  And like, that's a very good. Point.
• 50:12
  They were. They gave the impression that
• 50:14
  they were established. You know this is true.
• 50:17
  This is true. They had protocol enough in
• 50:20
  place to like have battle plans when they get attacked by the
• 50:25
  Death Star and to leave and go find a new battle or a a a new
• 50:31
  base on Hoth. You know, I know the rebellion
• 50:35
  is still young, but it should be way more established than what
• 50:38
  they're implying here. And I find that really
• 50:41
  irritating because it's like, that was Canon and and that's
• 50:47
  been established since 1970. Something like this?
• 50:50
  Is correct. Yeah, I don't know, I found that
• 50:52
  kind of annoying. The timeline really did kind of
• 50:55
  fuck it up for me. You know, I had a lot of moments
• 50:59
  where I just scratched my head and I thought, I thought we
• 51:02
  already did this or had this or it was established or something.
• 51:08
  You know, they're just little things that it didn't quite line
• 51:11
  up. So I'm with you on that.
• 51:14
  They're like important most of the time I can be like, yeah,
• 51:17
  it's fine. But like this shit's like tied
• 51:20
  into all the rest of the the original trilogy.
• 51:24
  So I I feel like their job should have been to not change
• 51:29
  the perspective of Rogue One, but to like honor what was
• 51:33
  there. Yeah, I you have a round table
• 51:36
  full of figureheads that includes Bale or Ghana.
• 51:39
  And you're, you're not quite the rebellion yet.
• 51:41
  I think you're a rebellion. Right, exactly.
• 51:44
  You have a table of people that you're answering to that's not
• 51:48
  just some faction setting up in the woods.
• 51:52
  Right. And you have a chain of command
• 51:54
  and like, yes, Melchi's group was good enough to go into
• 51:59
  Wabani and take Jin out, yes. So they're not just a bunch of
• 52:03
  like new recruits with their heads up their ass.
• 52:06
  Exactly. They would have.
• 52:08
  Been that was what we got in the first set of episodes.
• 52:11
  Yeah, exactly. So it would it would be cool to
• 52:13
  see like the the progression from in inside, like internal
• 52:18
  fighting in the the young, young rebellion to we're now
• 52:21
  established. We have maybe.
• 52:23
  I mean, I guess there is some progression if you look at it at
• 52:26
  it that way. But to keep saying that, you
• 52:28
  know, it's still so young. I mean, Leia is a week away at
• 52:32
  this. Three days.
• 52:33
  How many days? I don't know.
• 52:34
  I. Can't remember days away cuz
• 52:36
  she's at the end of rows. This.
• 52:37
  Is it? Yeah, Yeah.
• 52:39
  Yeah, I think that they kind of messed the timeline up for sure.
• 52:43
  It's not matching up. In.
• 52:45
  Important ways? Yeah, exactly.
• 52:48
  Exactly, that's why I mentioned it.
• 52:50
  It's not petty, I think it was like a mistake, but.
• 52:55
  I do too. Anyway, thank you for letting me
• 52:57
  gripe on that so. I'm with you on that one.
• 53:00
  I am. So that's when they go, they go
• 53:02
  to, they go back to Corusan and they go to the safe house.
• 53:06
  I feel like all the stuff that happens here and like the
• 53:09
  interactions with Kay just really fed my soul.
• 53:13
  It did. It really did.
• 53:15
  It was everything that I had hoped for.
• 53:17
  If you see the beginning of Cassian and Kays relationship
• 53:20
  and it was it was fantastic. You can see where I and I kept
• 53:24
  thinking of this when Kay is in row one and he tells them to go
• 53:28
  and he does the final like shut down and the sparks are flying
• 53:31
  and he dies. Essentially why there was trust
• 53:35
  there between him and Cassian like always.
• 53:39
  And that timeline works because they had a whole year to
• 53:43
  establish that he's obviously quite comfortable with Cassian
• 53:46
  and his friends. Well, I mean, comfortable enough
• 53:49
  to argue over cards, but like, also comfortable enough to see
• 53:53
  that there's something amiss, know that Cassian is in there,
• 53:57
  and then to make a plan and go in and and like, quote, UN
• 54:02
  quote, save the day. But yeah, he took action where a
• 54:06
  lot of like, human characters might not have given the
• 54:10
  situation. So they clearly must have like
• 54:13
  an established like enough of an understanding of each other.
• 54:15
  Yes, see, and like, wouldn't that have been nice to get a
• 54:18
  whole another episode block where we see that happening?
• 54:22
  Yeah, like, I would have liked that for sure.
• 54:24
  The the part where he says he was at Corset once he was in a
• 54:29
  parade. During the parade.
• 54:35
  That was possibly my favorite line, except when he says I
• 54:39
  don't like it here. Nothing has ever been more
• 54:48
  relatable than K saying I don't like it here.
• 54:51
  Totally. I was in a parade once like, and
• 54:55
  I was wondering, was he there to kill people?
• 54:57
  Like was he there to like manhandle and and keep order?
• 55:01
  So it wasn't a jolly parade? Was he there to like, establish
• 55:04
  order like? Probably.
• 55:06
  Or it was like one of those like Hitler parades where they like
• 55:09
  show off all their, you know, weapons.
• 55:12
  Yeah, 200 KX units marching down the street.
• 55:18
  Like God. But even when he was like, when
• 55:23
  he's like, I don't like it here. And then they show him sitting
• 55:26
  in the chair and he just like flops back in the chair.
• 55:29
  That was so, that was so relatable.
• 55:32
  And then when the power like flickers and goes out and he
• 55:35
  goes oh, no, Oh no. And and there was a part of me
• 55:39
  that's like, would he, would a Droid actually have that much
• 55:42
  personality to say that and understand?
• 55:44
  But he would. Yeah, he would.
• 55:46
  I just, we've been, I think we've been missing the like we
• 55:50
  needed a break from the tension. Yeah.
• 55:53
  And K is it 100? Percent, but it's not hokey
• 55:57
  comedic relief. No, it's actually part of his
• 56:01
  fucking makeup. Yes, yes, only Alan could have
• 56:05
  portrayed it only perfectly. Oh God, it's so good.
• 56:09
  It's so good. Thank God.
• 56:12
  I'm so glad they brought it back.
• 56:13
  Brought K back because we we needed it.
• 56:17
  We did and and he he really showed up.
• 56:19
  I mean, I'm glad Clay made it out and she got to go back and I
• 56:23
  really thought it was interesting that she's there
• 56:27
  Cassie and says to her, don't you want to see what you helped
• 56:31
  create? Now I totally get she's loyal to
• 56:35
  this side and not what has grown.
• 56:37
  And like, if you leave this, then you're you're leaving it
• 56:41
  for good and you're becoming something out.
• 56:43
  Like, you know, the separation between what she's always known
• 56:47
  and then what is brand new. I totally get that.
• 56:50
  I totally get. But then I do appreciate the
• 56:53
  fact that like in the final shots she does seem to smile and
• 56:58
  appreciate and like oh if in my head she was saying like if
• 57:02
  Lutheran only knew and I'm sure he did.
• 57:05
  But he stayed behind for a reason.
• 57:08
  Mon was his extension. I know she seems she seems so
• 57:11
  lost after. I get it though.
• 57:14
  For so long she was in one role. That's what she did.
• 57:18
  She was excellent at it. And she just lost the person who
• 57:22
  was always with her, helping her and being a part of what they
• 57:26
  were doing and what they believed in so strongly.
• 57:28
  And now she's kind of adrift and she's injured, which makes
• 57:32
  everything worse. And amongst a bunch of
• 57:34
  strangers, who can she trust? Who can she not trust?
• 57:38
  Like to her, I would be, I would feel a little bit like cornered
• 57:42
  and overwhelmed. I totally understood all of
• 57:45
  those emotions. She displayed them.
• 57:46
  She like portrayed that whole thing.
• 57:49
  Florida. State.
• 57:50
  So let's move on to the last episode then, Like this.
• 57:53
  Yeah, because my God. That whole sequence of them
• 57:57
  facing off with those ISB soldiers in the in the I don't
• 58:03
  even know it was the safe house but they went to the wrong unit
• 58:07
  and the people were in a really nice looking condo.
• 58:10
  I'm like why is Lutheran's condo so shitty looking?
• 58:14
  Everyone else there seems true in a nice life.
• 58:17
  What the hell is that place look like crap for?
• 58:20
  It look like an abandoned tenement and the next floor.
• 58:23
  Up did it really did. It was shit hiding in the walls.
• 58:28
  Yeah, Can you imagine hearing people banging on the walls like
• 58:31
  that? You would have heard everything
• 58:33
  Clay was doing. City life.
• 58:37
  I know. Seriously, I don't miss it.
• 58:39
  But again, they were concrete walls.
• 58:41
  Maybe they didn't hear anything. Yeah, or maybe they have some
• 58:44
  sort of, you know, space noise cancelling.
• 58:48
  Yeah. Wall.
• 58:51
  Oh my God. So they they rescue Clea, they
• 58:54
  bring her back, and then we see Cassian, more like Cassian in
• 59:00
  Rogue One when he has to meet with the Count.
• 59:02
  It was great. It was totally great.
• 59:04
  When he speaks for Lutheran, basically like you have.
• 59:07
  I know him, I know the good and the bad, and I still chose to
• 59:11
  follow him like that. That was good.
• 59:14
  It was such a good speech and I again, it points out like
• 59:19
  Cassian, like never speaks in this show.
• 59:23
  Well, yeah, but. It's weird though, like I was
• 59:27
  telling Rebecca, she and I were talking about this and I was
• 59:30
  like, I feel like we know Clay better and Mon Mothma better.
• 59:35
  I know Lutheran better. We watched 24 episodes about
• 59:38
  Cassie and Andor and I feel like I don't know anything more about
• 59:41
  him. Like we I feel like there's more
• 59:45
  character showing in Rogue One, like little and it's Diego's
• 59:49
  performance. It's not even like, you know,
• 59:51
  explanation through his dialogue, although there is that
• 59:55
  he is warm in a way that he's not always in Andor and he's
• 1:00:01
  actually got like a smirk or like a laugh or sense of humor
• 1:00:05
  and that's missing in Andor. We get a sense of his internal
• 1:00:09
  struggle, like when he was thinking about shooting Galen,
• 1:00:12
  you can see him realizing that he can't do it.
• 1:00:16
  I feel like we don't see that. We don't get a lot of Cassian's
• 1:00:20
  internal monologue in this show, and the whole fucking show is
• 1:00:23
  supposed to be about how he became who he is.
• 1:00:26
  How? How's this possible?
• 1:00:30
  How is it possible, Leanne? How can I love and hate
• 1:00:33
  something so much? How could it be like so good and
• 1:00:36
  so right and so far off the mark at the same time?
• 1:00:39
  I don't even know how it's possible.
• 1:00:41
  This scene where he's talking to the council.
• 1:00:45
  I had a problem with this scene though.
• 1:00:47
  I did too. Oh, you did.
• 1:00:49
  Oh, I did. Like, I really loved Diego's
• 1:00:52
  performance. I thought what he said was cool.
• 1:00:54
  I thought the interaction with Draven was very telling because
• 1:00:56
  like Draven, I think really likes Cassian, but he has to
• 1:00:59
  maintain chain of command. So he's trying to like correct
• 1:01:02
  buffer, you know. Yep, Yep, Yep.
• 1:01:05
  So when Cassian is like, are you serious to that senator and
• 1:01:08
  he's. Like gives him the yeah, he's
• 1:01:09
  like, call it no, no, no. What is your gripe though?
• 1:01:15
  I bet we have the same one. Bail.
• 1:01:20
  We're not the only ones with this complaint, yeah.
• 1:01:23
  Is that so? And it's not the performance of
• 1:01:27
  the individual, it's the character deviation that I
• 1:01:30
  didn't quite, I didn't. It didn't sit right with me.
• 1:01:35
  Yes, it didn't sit right with me.
• 1:01:37
  And I'm not sure why they did this.
• 1:01:40
  The argumentative tone. Bale always heard out everyone
• 1:01:44
  and always heard out two sides and considered everything, every
• 1:01:49
  angle. That's what made Bale Bale.
• 1:01:52
  Yeah, just watch the Kenobi series the way he is so.
• 1:01:56
  That's what I'm saying. And sweet with his own daughter
• 1:01:59
  like. You had the argumentative other
• 1:02:02
  people in the circle. Which are they're so fucking
• 1:02:05
  exhausting, those people, my God.
• 1:02:08
  Truly. I mean, now I understand if you
• 1:02:14
  get told news of a Death Star, it's going to take some time.
• 1:02:21
  I mean, didn't somebody say that they need time?
• 1:02:24
  Yeah, and evidence, you know, they need to verify I.
• 1:02:28
  Totally get that. I totally get that.
• 1:02:30
  Because again, you don't know sources, how it's manipulated.
• 1:02:36
  You know, the information itself, whether it came from
• 1:02:38
  Lutheran or not, you should. You must always verify before
• 1:02:41
  you go make a big changes. Totally.
• 1:02:44
  Yeah, my problem is just with how aggressive Bale's character
• 1:02:49
  was with this. I felt it was not in character.
• 1:02:53
  I felt the same. It felt like you haven't read
• 1:02:56
  the book Wild Space, have you? I haven't.
• 1:02:59
  Should I? Yes.
• 1:03:02
  OK, no, did it. Yes you should and maybe if you
• 1:03:07
  don't want to read it, listen to the audio book.
• 1:03:09
  But it is OK. It's it'll probably it's the
• 1:03:13
  kind of 1 where it's like you love and hate it.
• 1:03:16
  Like it's so I see ridiculous. I can't believe some of the shit
• 1:03:19
  that happens in it. That's why I was like enjoying
• 1:03:22
  it. Bale is like this though the
• 1:03:24
  whole time. Is that so?
• 1:03:26
  Yeah, and everyone has said in Wild Space, he feels super out
• 1:03:30
  of character. He's fighting with Obi Wan
• 1:03:32
  constantly. What?
• 1:03:34
  Yeah. And it's, it's, it's very
• 1:03:37
  exhausting and it's nothing like how he is in Clone Wars or in
• 1:03:42
  any of the other portrayals of Bale.
• 1:03:45
  So I I felt the same. I was like, why is he being such
• 1:03:48
  a stick in the mud and he's not in charge?
• 1:03:50
  Fucking mud. Mothma was here first man like.
• 1:03:53
  It's true. However, it doesn't really line
• 1:03:58
  up with how he acts in Rogue One, where he's so ready to go.
• 1:04:03
  What changes in three or four days?
• 1:04:05
  Yeah, I don't know. I could see maybe in a year,
• 1:04:08
  let's just take devil's advocate route and say like, he's going
• 1:04:11
  through something, couldn't imagine what I mean, what could
• 1:04:17
  be anything, but maybe in a year he warms up to whatever the
• 1:04:23
  fuck. I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:04:24
  I I I'm I'm really struggling to find even something salvageable
• 1:04:28
  here but. Yeah, he kind of was like
• 1:04:31
  pontificating. He's like walking around like he
• 1:04:34
  was giving a speech at the Senate.
• 1:04:36
  This is not the place to do this.
• 1:04:38
  You can take the senator out of the Senate, but you can't take
• 1:04:41
  the Senate out of the senator. It's true.
• 1:04:44
  It's true. Can we talk about Mon's hair?
• 1:04:49
  Poor girl, she got jungle hair now.
• 1:04:51
  We we knew it was coming. We knew that haircut, that style
• 1:04:55
  was coming. She needs a good blowout and
• 1:04:58
  some humidity restriction in some kind of spray anti humidity
• 1:05:02
  spray in her hair. How are all of these women?
• 1:05:06
  They're frizz free. How my hair would look like a
• 1:05:10
  cotton puff if I was living. In a man I don't know.
• 1:05:17
  Good jeans? I don't know, but.
• 1:05:21
  I don't know, they all got lucky.
• 1:05:23
  Maybe there's something in Star Wars where you can put it on
• 1:05:25
  your hair and it repels humidity.
• 1:05:27
  But. Listen, listen to us.
• 1:05:28
  We keep making excuses for this shit.
• 1:05:35
  I want to. Can I go back to Bale one more
• 1:05:37
  second? Because he does go back to
• 1:05:39
  Cassian's Hut. Yeah.
• 1:05:42
  I thought that was more in character.
• 1:05:46
  Yes, I I did too. That was more diplomatic.
• 1:05:49
  And warm, and may the Force be with you.
• 1:05:51
  And it was very Bale, right? Yeah.
• 1:05:55
  So there I I had an an internal struggle the entire episode and
• 1:06:00
  I'm just going to let it go because I have much larger
• 1:06:02
  problems with other parts of this episode than Bale.
• 1:06:06
  But it's nice to know there are other people that felt the same
• 1:06:09
  way, including yourself. Oh, yeah, right away.
• 1:06:11
  I was like, this feels weird. Well, I've always had like a
• 1:06:14
  head cannon that Mon Mothma and Draven really like Cassian a
• 1:06:20
  lot. And it was kind of nice to see
• 1:06:22
  that that they they do. Of course Mon Mothma was going
• 1:06:26
  to draw Cassian's word after what he did for her, so.
• 1:06:29
  Amen. Yeah, as she should.
• 1:06:31
  As should everyone, in fact. Yeah, I'm glad to see that it
• 1:06:34
  like there were advocates in the room, even though Bill and
• 1:06:37
  everybody else, all the other senators were being what's so
• 1:06:41
  annoying. I like how Cassian was like
• 1:06:44
  permission to go to the whatever room, you know, and he was like
• 1:06:48
  real sarcastic about it. But Mom's like, granted, before
• 1:06:51
  anyone else could speak, you know, I was like, there we go.
• 1:06:54
  There we go, girl. Yes, that's awesome.
• 1:06:56
  I loved that too. It's.
• 1:06:58
  Great. Yep, Yep, she has the final say
• 1:07:01
  in this boardroom. Bitch.
• 1:07:03
  Seriously, she's the one who makes it all the way to Return
• 1:07:05
  of the Jedi. So let's.
• 1:07:06
  Yeah, let's. Give her the space.
• 1:07:08
  Yeah, exactly. So that everything kind of like
• 1:07:13
  slows down now. Tony Gilroy described it as
• 1:07:15
  quote delivering the pizza, which I thought was really
• 1:07:17
  annoying. What the fuck?
• 1:07:22
  It's like you just give everybody what they wanted at
• 1:07:24
  the end and then move into Rogue One and.
• 1:07:27
  He didn't do that, though. I know that did not happen.
• 1:07:30
  I know it's not. It's not the pizza I ordered.
• 1:07:33
  My pizza was not delivered, Tony.
• 1:07:37
  It was undercooked, in fact, and incorrect.
• 1:07:41
  Yeah. And then it had additional
• 1:07:42
  toppings that I didn't ask. For yeah, no, none of us ordered
• 1:07:45
  this. Yeah, weird pizza analogies
• 1:07:50
  coming out of. Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  Thanks, Tony. I did like the scene with
• 1:07:56
  Cassian and Val where they finally acknowledged like their
• 1:08:00
  shared history. They toasted.
• 1:08:02
  Oh, they toasted everyone. Yeah, I thought that was very
• 1:08:04
  nice. Nice way to wrap that up.
• 1:08:06
  And why does it always take someone else to mention Marva?
• 1:08:09
  Why does Cassia never mention Marva?
• 1:08:11
  Or Clem? Why or BI?
• 1:08:14
  Think he's just one of those closed.
• 1:08:17
  Those closed books where? Yeah.
• 1:08:20
  You know, don't acknowledge the pain and it won't be there.
• 1:08:22
  You know, he's, he's like one of those.
• 1:08:24
  That's how I gathered it, anyway.
• 1:08:26
  I'm very glad that somebody fucking mentioned Marva because
• 1:08:29
  she gave a speech that inspired insurrection.
• 1:08:33
  Like absolutely she deserves a mention.
• 1:08:36
  Brasso, our boy hit somebody over the head with her brick and
• 1:08:39
  I will never forget it. That was one of the best scenes
• 1:08:43
  in all of. Amazing, amazing, amazing.
• 1:08:46
  I love you Brasso. Forever and always.
• 1:08:49
  Then there's that really cool moment where they show Clea in
• 1:08:53
  the hospital and she decides to get up and she's like pulling
• 1:08:57
  the needles out and ripping the bandages off.
• 1:09:00
  And then they start playing Nemec's manifesto.
• 1:09:03
  Yes, I thought that was a good call back.
• 1:09:05
  Yes. And what he was saying was very
• 1:09:07
  much, you know, applied to Clay and then they cut to party gas.
• 1:09:11
  And I'm like, is party gas listening to it?
• 1:09:14
  And he was. And I have to say, I called this
• 1:09:19
  a long time ago. I was so excited.
• 1:09:21
  You did you. Did I thought I mentioned this
• 1:09:24
  to you? I thought I had texted you when
• 1:09:26
  I had this thought, right? That when Tarkin says in Rogue
• 1:09:31
  one, we need a statement, not a manifesto.
• 1:09:33
  I was I was yes, I know this is like red cutting, but baby it's
• 1:09:37
  cuz mimics manifesto got out there and.
• 1:09:41
  I think. So we got proof.
• 1:09:43
  We proved now because part of Gas was actually listening to it
• 1:09:46
  right before he killed himself. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:09:50
  It's crazy. It's crazy how that like Nemic
• 1:09:53
  is still a part of this even though it was such an
• 1:09:56
  unfortunate loss in last season. And it makes me wonder like,
• 1:10:01
  Cassian was the one who had it. He must have been the one who
• 1:10:04
  got it out there somehow cuz Nemec was still writing it.
• 1:10:07
  He hadn't finished it when he died.
• 1:10:09
  So it was so cool. And then I loved when part of
• 1:10:12
  GAS asked the other officer, who do you think it is?
• 1:10:15
  Like who do you think, like is speaking who wrote this?
• 1:10:18
  And they don't write. He doesn't even, he just moves
• 1:10:21
  on. It doesn't answer the question.
• 1:10:23
  Yeah, ignore it and it'll go away.
• 1:10:25
  It was AI thought that was a really cool scene.
• 1:10:27
  And then we've talked about it a little bit already, how part of
• 1:10:30
  Gas decides to take his own life there instead of I wonder who
• 1:10:34
  they were going to bring him down to sea.
• 1:10:38
  Oh I am, I'm positive it was someone towards the top.
• 1:10:42
  He's too old for this shit. He literally said without saying
• 1:10:45
  I'm too old for this, let me just get this little gun out
• 1:10:50
  like I'm too old. Well, because they would have
• 1:10:52
  made an example of him, I'm sure.
• 1:10:55
  For sure, his name would have been tarnished forever and who
• 1:10:59
  knows what happens to these bodies.
• 1:11:01
  Yeah, yeah, there's just there's a lot of like cross cutting, I
• 1:11:05
  guess. Then they go back to Cassian and
• 1:11:08
  Val is leaving and she tells him to reach out to Bix and he says
• 1:11:12
  he doesn't. I hated it.
• 1:11:13
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:14
  Good for him. Yeah, I have.
• 1:11:17
  Well, yeah, we have lots to talk about here.
• 1:11:20
  While we're getting to it. Somebody posted that like
• 1:11:23
  Cassian. I've seen this a lot actually.
• 1:11:26
  Cassian and Bix had true love and I.
• 1:11:30
  That's all. I as a divorcee, I have a
• 1:11:34
  different take on on that. Yes.
• 1:11:39
  I had a partner to leave me in a very similar way to how Bix left
• 1:11:43
  Cassian, and you can. Same.
• 1:11:45
  You can come to peace with it, but you don't want to see them
• 1:11:48
  again. Nope.
• 1:11:50
  No, They made their choice. That's it.
• 1:11:53
  Yeah, got to go. Whatever their motivation is, it
• 1:11:57
  doesn't mean that you're ever going to really be comfortable
• 1:11:59
  seeing them again. No, it's true.
• 1:12:02
  So I was kind of glad that he was like, she's, she says she
• 1:12:05
  does. Like she's safe where she is.
• 1:12:07
  She wouldn't be safe with me. Like what?
• 1:12:09
  Well, I'm glad he made it about her safety and not about
• 1:12:11
  emotion, because that's gone. So we had to turn it into
• 1:12:14
  something because Belle is her friend, you know?
• 1:12:18
  And I'm sure they talk and well, it's obvious they talk.
• 1:12:21
  But yeah, no, no thanks. I'm I'm glad Cassian was strong
• 1:12:26
  on that front. Yeah, I know.
• 1:12:28
  I was kind of like hoping they wouldn't mention Bix in this
• 1:12:31
  episode. And then they put it here and
• 1:12:33
  then they put it, put it later as well.
• 1:12:35
  Get to. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:12:37
  And I was like, God damn it, Yeah.
• 1:12:40
  I was hoping that was it. I was hoping that would be it.
• 1:12:43
  I was too. I We almost made it to the end
• 1:12:46
  of the episode. Yeah, I wondered too.
• 1:12:49
  Why did they suddenly put another dream of Cassie and
• 1:12:53
  sister in there? I have to say it.
• 1:12:57
  I think it's Claya. I don't care what anyone says.
• 1:12:59
  I put the things together the way I did and I'm like, I do
• 1:13:04
  wonder if she's his sister and Luther knew all along and didn't
• 1:13:09
  say anything and it's just the way it is.
• 1:13:13
  And whether or not actresses or actors or writers, producers say
• 1:13:18
  otherwise, I want to go forward thinking that Cassian was with
• 1:13:23
  his sister all along and saved her.
• 1:13:26
  Oh, wouldn't that be so poetic? Yeah.
• 1:13:28
  Yeah, and it's just like Lutheran to not tell them.
• 1:13:32
  Yes, it is. And that actually would add so
• 1:13:35
  much meaning when Clay opens the door and she says, of course it
• 1:13:38
  would be you. Exactly, yes.
• 1:13:41
  So there's a little too much SIM symbology for me to ignore it.
• 1:13:46
  Ignore the possibility. The thing that is she speaks
• 1:13:49
  Basic when he finds her, and obviously they didn't speak
• 1:13:53
  basic on Kanari, but that doesn't mean that she couldn't
• 1:13:56
  have been found by somebody else.
• 1:13:58
  Right, it's true you. Know like after Cassian leaves
• 1:14:03
  Kanari, there's no telling but I mean, Marva said that basically
• 1:14:07
  Republic ships are are landing here, we have to go.
• 1:14:11
  So it's very possible that his sister was taken and taken.
• 1:14:14
  They were all speaking basic, but I mean the fact that they
• 1:14:17
  threw in the flashback scene like kind of confirmed it for me
• 1:14:22
  because there was no reason for it otherwise.
• 1:14:25
  Yeah, it was, and the only other person who gets flashbacks is
• 1:14:29
  Cassian. It's Cassian and Clea Playa's
• 1:14:32
  childhood. Cassie's childhood.
• 1:14:34
  Seems like and I I, I read the argument that that's a different
• 1:14:38
  child actor for young playovers. Who cares?
• 1:14:43
  She grew up a little bit. Obviously she's not going to be
• 1:14:45
  the little kid. Yeah, there were different.
• 1:14:47
  There were. Different child actors for
• 1:14:49
  Cassie and there was at least two that I could remember so.
• 1:14:52
  Yeah, come on. That's not an indication
• 1:14:54
  otherwise. I would like to just think that
• 1:14:57
  Luther knew Lutheran had his ways and that's that.
• 1:15:01
  Yeah, I think it's a very interesting take and it feels
• 1:15:05
  very poetic, I think. Well, I think it's also left up
• 1:15:09
  to us as the viewers. They didn't come to a solid
• 1:15:12
  conclusion. Yeah.
• 1:15:13
  And so maybe it is just up to us to decide for ourselves.
• 1:15:17
  And I'm deciding that they were brother and sister.
• 1:15:19
  It fits enough. Yeah, it's great.
• 1:15:22
  And the scenes that they had together were very, very
• 1:15:25
  interesting, like when she in the when she was making him the
• 1:15:29
  ID to get into Man man Mothma's speech, like their inner
• 1:15:34
  exchange there was really, really cool.
• 1:15:36
  Well, how often have we seen siblings torn apart across a
• 1:15:39
  Galaxy and come together? It's not new.
• 1:15:42
  That that's true, especially in Oh man.
• 1:15:46
  In. Star Wars, that it's like, it's
• 1:15:49
  what George Lucas says, that it's like poetry.
• 1:15:52
  It's supposed to reflect over and over in the generations, and
• 1:15:55
  that's why it's kind of rewarding for the audience.
• 1:15:57
  Yeah, I think that that would be great.
• 1:15:59
  I wonder if they'll ever confirm it, but probably not because
• 1:16:01
  they left it open on purpose I think.
• 1:16:03
  And I'm fine with that. That means I get to have my my
• 1:16:07
  cake and eat it too in this regard.
• 1:16:09
  God, sometimes we just don't want the answers.
• 1:16:12
  Like just leave it a mystery guys.
• 1:16:13
  Yes. Well, I thought that was
• 1:16:17
  interesting to throw it in their last second because they haven't
• 1:16:19
  really. It was like one of the only
• 1:16:22
  internal experiences we see with Cassian.
• 1:16:25
  Again, like what I was saying earlier, we don't really get his
• 1:16:28
  internal monologue, but we're seeing that he still does think
• 1:16:30
  about his sister. Yes, and not Bix.
• 1:16:36
  I mean not not that he's seeking thinking of a sister in the same
• 1:16:40
  manner that he would Bix, but if he's having dreams, it's of his
• 1:16:44
  family. Yeah, I think it was cool too
• 1:16:46
  when they cut to him, like he has the conversation with Bale
• 1:16:50
  and then he gears up right and he like.
• 1:16:52
  That's it. And we're seeing, yeah.
• 1:16:55
  Gets the belts on, gets the holster, the jacket, and it's
• 1:16:58
  just like. Everything we know.
• 1:17:00
  It's Batman. He's getting ready to go on
• 1:17:02
  patrol. This is it.
• 1:17:04
  This is, this is it it though? Like, yeah, after this,
• 1:17:08
  everything changes and we know it.
• 1:17:10
  And I thought it was a I love scenes where the main
• 1:17:14
  character's walking and it's kind of slow MO and there's
• 1:17:19
  things happening and we're experiencing it, you know, as
• 1:17:22
  it's happening. Like the characters.
• 1:17:23
  I just love shit like that. I'm a sucker for it every time
• 1:17:26
  it's. So great, Oh my God.
• 1:17:28
  But he watered his plants before he left.
• 1:17:33
  I got the sentiment from it. In my opinion, all of these
• 1:17:37
  relationships have been sprouting, loosed and watered
• 1:17:42
  them. And now the rebellion has grown
• 1:17:45
  and, and now Cassian's off to I mean, it's just like what you,
• 1:17:50
  what you give attention to and take care of grows.
• 1:17:53
  Yeah, and there's there's this quote from Audrey Hepburn.
• 1:17:57
  Like there's an an idea that plants indicate hope.
• 1:18:02
  And she said to plant a garden is to believe in tomorrow.
• 1:18:06
  Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's, that's exactly it,
• 1:18:10
  yes. You like water, intend this
• 1:18:12
  plant or a seed that you don't even see and then in the future
• 1:18:16
  it grows into something from your care and your attention.
• 1:18:21
  Yes. So I think that like that whole
• 1:18:23
  sentiment of hope and like it's it's there.
• 1:18:27
  We didn't need the extra. Right.
• 1:18:30
  But I mean, there's, there's so much pain.
• 1:18:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to.
• 1:18:34
  I need to be reminded of it. Yeah, well, and then while
• 1:18:38
  Cassie's doing his walk, he walks by all these people,
• 1:18:41
  right? And like Mel, she is on a
• 1:18:42
  morning run. Did you notice all the guys that
• 1:18:44
  he's leading are the ones that go with Jen and Cassie and to
• 1:18:47
  scare? If Oh yeah, I did.
• 1:18:49
  I did though. It's like, it's all these great
• 1:18:52
  little shots. Like what about the shot of
• 1:18:55
  Perrin? Oh, I didn't need to see him,
• 1:18:59
  but he's a piece of shit. How funny was it?
• 1:19:02
  Like he's wasted in a car with his daughter's mother-in-law?
• 1:19:06
  Like what the fuck? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:08
  I mean, some people move on in different ways and some people
• 1:19:12
  drink themselves into a car with their daughter's mother-in-law.
• 1:19:18
  I thought it was very interesting they cut to like
• 1:19:21
  they cut to Parrin, they cut to then they cut to Dedra in
• 1:19:26
  fucking Narkeena prison. Yes, yes.
• 1:19:30
  And I have things to say about this, if I may.
• 1:19:33
  Please, by all means. For those who understand this
• 1:19:36
  reference, she is the Cersei Lannister of Star Wars of Andor
• 1:19:44
  and I don't think it was a fitting end for her.
• 1:19:47
  It wasn't good enough for me. I don't want her to sit in jail.
• 1:19:53
  I don't want her to sit in Narcena or any version of that.
• 1:19:58
  Perhaps that is the torment she deserves, but I want, I want an
• 1:20:03
  epic send off for an epic character.
• 1:20:06
  It's not enough that she's been reduced to this shell of AI.
• 1:20:12
  Don't even know. It just wasn't enough for me.
• 1:20:15
  Was her performance good? Yes.
• 1:20:18
  Her breaking down in that cell, Fantastic.
• 1:20:22
  Not good enough for me she needed.
• 1:20:24
  She was so good and so terrible and so everything that's right
• 1:20:29
  with the Empire and wrong with the world.
• 1:20:31
  She needed a more epic send off. But perhaps, perhaps.
• 1:20:35
  And when you're just that good at being bad, this is what this
• 1:20:40
  is it. There is no proper send off.
• 1:20:42
  I'm not sure. Well, maybe death would have
• 1:20:44
  been too easy for her. I understand that's what they
• 1:20:47
  went for, but someone like that never fucking learns.
• 1:20:52
  No and like it. If she were to be released at
• 1:20:55
  some point, she would not be remorseful and or or like
• 1:21:00
  rehabilitated. There's no going back for
• 1:21:03
  someone like that. And you know she's going to
• 1:21:04
  schmooze her way or try to within that area to get more
• 1:21:09
  privileges or get, you know, her, her sentence eased or
• 1:21:13
  something. Maybe not, maybe not.
• 1:21:15
  I don't know. It's left up to us to wonder
• 1:21:17
  what happens to her. But maybe I maybe the proper
• 1:21:21
  send off is her living long enough to see the end of the
• 1:21:24
  Empire and the Death Star blown up.
• 1:21:25
  Because I'm sure whatever happens, she sees it.
• 1:21:29
  Yeah, I wonder if they would find out what happens.
• 1:21:32
  Well, maybe that's how they built the second Death Star.
• 1:21:35
  Actually. It's like once they blow up the
• 1:21:38
  Death Star, then what? What are they making at Narcina?
• 1:21:40
  It's like, Oh yeah, they made another Death Star.
• 1:21:43
  So she's still kind of working for the same people she always
• 1:21:46
  has. She's just been reduced to a
• 1:21:48
  prisoner. And I don't think it's fair.
• 1:21:50
  I don't think it's fitting enough.
• 1:21:51
  Yeah, Denise could have. She was so good.
• 1:21:54
  She could have portrayed all sorts of amazing scenes.
• 1:21:57
  They only gave her like 1/2 minute if that, of scene where I
• 1:22:03
  would have preferred her to like go nuts and be in a straitjacket
• 1:22:06
  and like shaking and stuff. That would have been cool.
• 1:22:09
  Where she just completely loses her mind, you know, I don't
• 1:22:13
  know. It might happen, it's just not
• 1:22:15
  going to happen. It might happen, yeah.
• 1:22:17
  It's just implied. Perhaps that's it.
• 1:22:20
  That's the thing about the Empire.
• 1:22:21
  They're always left with nothing in the end, and that includes a
• 1:22:24
  soul. Yeah, it's true.
• 1:22:28
  Well, they also they showed saw on Jetta and he's looking out
• 1:22:33
  the window seeing a Star Destroyer over Jetta City.
• 1:22:37
  So the thing that's really cool is they're playing the past to
• 1:22:40
  present suite from season 1 over all of this.
• 1:22:44
  So like past and present like. Well, that's that's appropriate.
• 1:22:47
  Yeah, and they cut to chronic watching the Death Star finish
• 1:22:51
  right as Cassian is about to get on his ship.
• 1:22:53
  So it's like they they end it there and then.
• 1:22:57
  Well, we've seen that shot of Chronic before where he's
• 1:23:00
  standing there longingly looking out at his what he.
• 1:23:03
  Deems in it. Yeah, his perfect other half.
• 1:23:09
  When Cassian gets to the ship and flies away.
• 1:23:12
  And that was almost the ending until the last scene, which you
• 1:23:17
  and I have kind of talked about a little bit.
• 1:23:19
  Yeah, because we couldn't help it.
• 1:23:21
  Usually Lauren and I don't talk about stuff prior to this.
• 1:23:24
  This is our raw reaction. Except for this part, because I
• 1:23:27
  just. I just had to know what she
• 1:23:29
  thought because I hated the final shot.
• 1:23:34
  I don't give a fuck about any of this.
• 1:23:38
  The show's name is Andor. You end with a shot of Cassie
• 1:23:42
  and Andor. I don't want to see Bix.
• 1:23:44
  I don't want to see his child. If it's his child, we don't
• 1:23:49
  really know. We can assume, but we don't
• 1:23:51
  know. Yeah.
• 1:23:54
  I mean be for real. It's his.
• 1:23:57
  I get that's why she left. It's probably his.
• 1:24:00
  I'm just trying to. Yeah.
• 1:24:02
  I can't stand it. I can't either.
• 1:24:05
  What? Are you OK?
• 1:24:06
  No, me, I hate it. I hated it.
• 1:24:09
  I think I. Thought it was horrible.
• 1:24:12
  I agree it should have been a last shot of fucking Cassie and
• 1:24:15
  like that's that's it. It's supposed to be about him.
• 1:24:18
  I think that throwing a baby at the end is become like this
• 1:24:21
  cheap gimmick that people do all the time now and I don't.
• 1:24:26
  I don't need hope through a baby.
• 1:24:30
  Like Cassian's actions with Gin are enough hope in and of
• 1:24:34
  themselves. That's it.
• 1:24:36
  Yeah. This.
• 1:24:37
  It really bothered me. I felt like it was.
• 1:24:39
  It was a predictable chief gimmick.
• 1:24:42
  I felt like it was cruel also in a sense because Cassian gets
• 1:24:48
  left and isn't told the truth. Why?
• 1:24:50
  Do you really think it wouldn't be deeply hurtful for a person
• 1:24:53
  to find out? Like, say he finds out that she
• 1:24:55
  was pregnant and his whole life he's had no agency, right?
• 1:25:00
  He's taken. His parents are taken from him.
• 1:25:02
  He's taken by new people and thrown into a new environment.
• 1:25:06
  No choices ever. This woman makes a choice for
• 1:25:09
  him. I hate it.
• 1:25:11
  It's a continuation of a man with no agency.
• 1:25:14
  It's an insult to the character. I I fucking hate everything
• 1:25:20
  about this because she didn't even give him a chance to want
• 1:25:25
  to be a father. Oh, how nice of you Bix, to take
• 1:25:30
  the choice completely out of his hands by never telling him he
• 1:25:34
  had a kid with her. That's not nice.
• 1:25:38
  Don't do that. Oh, it's so noble though she she
• 1:25:43
  went and found a safe place where she could raise Cassian's
• 1:25:46
  baby. Oh, how wistfully we look up to
• 1:25:49
  the sky and wonder if if the pilot dad will ever come back.
• 1:25:53
  No, and the kid suffers for it because she doesn't fucking know
• 1:25:59
  that he dies with the Death Star.
• 1:26:01
  She doesn't know. She'll find out because he has.
• 1:26:05
  I don't. Think she'll find out?
• 1:26:06
  He, Val will tell her he has all these people to mourn him, and
• 1:26:11
  Jin has no one to mourn her. When Kassian says you're not the
• 1:26:15
  only one who's lost everything. He hasn't lost everything.
• 1:26:18
  He has Val. He's got Melchi at that point.
• 1:26:21
  He has K, he's got Mon Mothma, he has Draven, he has people,
• 1:26:26
  he's got friends. Jin is.
• 1:26:29
  Alone. Yeah, and all the people her
• 1:26:33
  found family from Rogue One, they all die with her.
• 1:26:36
  Yeah, yeah. So where was Jin?
• 1:26:40
  Oh, that's right. We never even spoke her name in
• 1:26:42
  this episode. Another issue I had, We're going
• 1:26:44
  to have a parting shot of Bix so and so.
• 1:26:47
  Who the fuck? And we're not going to mention
• 1:26:49
  Jin Urso. We got Galen's name.
• 1:26:52
  Yeah, barely. I was so irritated that they
• 1:26:56
  didn't even say her name. It's just like how they won't
• 1:26:59
  say Ahsoka's name in the Kenobi show and they won't say Obi
• 1:27:03
  Wan's girlfriend. What's her name?
• 1:27:04
  Satine. They won't say Satine in the
• 1:27:06
  Mandalorian. What are we doing?
• 1:27:08
  Yeah. Star Wars, what are we doing not
• 1:27:11
  acknowledging the women that are the power behind these
• 1:27:13
  situations? I know.
• 1:27:16
  Fucking over it. I know it feels like it.
• 1:27:20
  I know that Tony Gilroy has not been shy about kind of shitting
• 1:27:24
  on Rogue One because it was in bad shape apparently, when he
• 1:27:28
  was brought on to like, fix the story before they finished
• 1:27:32
  editing it. OK, so it, it sometimes has felt
• 1:27:37
  like Andor is his slap in the face to Rogue One, and that's
• 1:27:43
  unnecessary because Rogue One is really, really good.
• 1:27:47
  And to not mention Jin, OK, you and I are partial to her.
• 1:27:53
  We love her. She's one of our favorite Star
• 1:27:55
  Wars characters. Take our emotion out of it.
• 1:27:58
  Jin is living under an alias at this point, so they would have
• 1:28:03
  to know where she is in regards to her aliases.
• 1:28:06
  She would have to know her connection to Sagarera and why
• 1:28:10
  that would be useful for the information that Cassian is
• 1:28:14
  about to get from Tivic. It would be useful to know that
• 1:28:17
  Galen or so had a daughter. But where is she?
• 1:28:19
  She's not. Exactly there I thought when
• 1:28:22
  they showed saw on like the calm in the in like Mon was like
• 1:28:27
  arguing with him that we were getting to mentioning Jin and
• 1:28:31
  how Galen is tied into this and how Jin is like the the the
• 1:28:35
  piece on the board that needs to be moved in order for all of
• 1:28:38
  this nothing. Yeah.
• 1:28:41
  Fucking fell flat on its face. And like we've said before,
• 1:28:44
  we're hours away from them needing her and they have no
• 1:28:47
  idea. Like she's not been mentioned.
• 1:28:49
  She's not on their radar at all. You really think you're going to
• 1:28:52
  track this person down? No, This would have taken a lot
• 1:28:55
  of Intel. This would have taken a lot more
• 1:28:57
  than just one person. This is Mon would have known
• 1:29:02
  knowing Saw and talking to Saw and knowing the connection that
• 1:29:05
  he had with her. Yeah.
• 1:29:07
  In in their past shit Lutheran would have known.
• 1:29:11
  Yes, that's what I was thinking too.
• 1:29:12
  Like Lutheran knew, saw a long time.
• 1:29:15
  He would have known. Jin existed.
• 1:29:18
  Oh yeah, and he would have known.
• 1:29:20
  Lutheran was smart enough to know or at least figure out that
• 1:29:23
  her father was involved with the empire.
• 1:29:25
  Let's not say building a Death Star, but you know, cuz that all
• 1:29:29
  came out kind of in the last minute.
• 1:29:32
  But yeah, Lutheran is not stupid, and he's got friends
• 1:29:37
  everywhere, you know? Right and saw thought of Jen as
• 1:29:40
  his daughter in his. Own 1000%.
• 1:29:43
  In his weird way. Yes, we don't get that emotional
• 1:29:47
  scene in Rogue One without some fucking lead into it.
• 1:29:50
  Yeah, the fact that they don't mention it at all feels like
• 1:29:55
  maybe a purposeful insults kind of.
• 1:29:58
  Yeah, of course. Why wouldn't you?
• 1:30:00
  She's the central. She is the reason Rogue One
• 1:30:03
  exists and happens. She's the main character, like
• 1:30:05
  we said, not Cassian. Yes, correct.
• 1:30:08
  And it's just like, it's just weak writing in my opinion, that
• 1:30:11
  you're not trying to tie your strands together.
• 1:30:13
  Why the fuck wouldn't you? And also to like the truth is
• 1:30:17
  the whole thing with Alani, like bringing all the Intel at once,
• 1:30:22
  I thought was very convenient. This in in Rogue one, the book,
• 1:30:28
  they imply that Cassian has been working on this project for a
• 1:30:31
  long time, getting little pieces of disparate information and
• 1:30:36
  finally puts it all together when he talks to Tivic.
• 1:30:39
  And then he's like, oh, my Intel is starting to make sense now.
• 1:30:43
  He already knows about Jin. He has a plan for extracting her
• 1:30:47
  already from Wabani. Like where the fuck was all this
• 1:30:51
  in the show? Did they even mention Wilbani?
• 1:30:54
  I don't think they did. I didn't hear it.
• 1:30:56
  They did once in season 1 when Tim with two M's says are we
• 1:31:02
  going on the Wilbani run or something like the planet was.
• 1:31:05
  Tim with two M's. There's someone I haven't heard
• 1:31:08
  of in a while. Tim with two M's.
• 1:31:11
  Yes. Yeah, yeah, fucking A.
• 1:31:15
  Yeah, I have. I have serious issues with the
• 1:31:17
  fact that they didn't mention Gin and now Cassian has a baby.
• 1:31:21
  What the fuck, guys? Like, can we just not try to be
• 1:31:26
  so out there? Like to to completely not stick
• 1:31:31
  the landing? Like, yeah, where you were
• 1:31:33
  there, But guys, you were right there and then, yeah.
• 1:31:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. I find it so I was so excited.
• 1:31:42
  And as soon as I saw that shot, as soon as I saw BI was like,
• 1:31:46
  fucking hell, she's gonna have a baby.
• 1:31:49
  And there she was walking with a baby out in the field.
• 1:31:51
  And I was like, God damn it, Do we always have to have this
• 1:31:55
  perfect Madonna and child, right?
• 1:31:59
  Women don't always have to have this kind of portrayal.
• 1:32:04
  Yeah, it's true. It's true.
• 1:32:07
  Also, did she actually choose the rebellion if she moved to a
• 1:32:11
  peaceful? I know it was the the remainder
• 1:32:14
  of the people back on whatever planet that was.
• 1:32:17
  And how like how if she wasn't safe there before, why is she
• 1:32:21
  safe there now? I don't, I don't know more
• 1:32:26
  questions than I was that I wanted at that point.
• 1:32:29
  The other thing is, so the only thing I appreciated about that
• 1:32:33
  scene was that B2 was was fine, that he's OK living his best
• 1:32:36
  life. Yeah, he had a.
• 1:32:38
  Friend, we did have closure on B and I.
• 1:32:42
  It could have been cute just to end with him and just be like,
• 1:32:45
  oh good, B's OK. Seriously, can I?
• 1:32:48
  I have a little list of things that have no closure.
• 1:32:52
  Can I just OK, run through it? Let's.
• 1:32:54
  Do it. I love it.
• 1:32:55
  Let's go. There's no gin.
• 1:32:57
  There's no more reference to Clamor Marva except right at the
• 1:33:00
  last second. There's no reference to whether
• 1:33:03
  or not Nimic's manifesto is the thing on Cassian's jacket in
• 1:33:08
  Rogue One. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:33:09
  That's right. Yep.
• 1:33:10
  There's no mention of Cassian learning that he and Melchi
• 1:33:13
  helped build the Death Star. That's.
• 1:33:15
  True that. We don't know what happens to
• 1:33:18
  Keno LOI, we don't know what happens with the Maya pay
• 1:33:23
  rebels. They never came back to that and
• 1:33:25
  connected it to Yavin or anything.
• 1:33:28
  It was a waste of time, it turns out.
• 1:33:30
  It was absolute waste of time. Why did they bother with SAW?
• 1:33:34
  Because they ended up not following any of the plot line
• 1:33:37
  with Will or any of that. Like why did they, you know,
• 1:33:40
  revolutionize Will only to have him go back to work for Lutheran
• 1:33:43
  and not do anything else with SAW?
• 1:33:45
  I thought it was very strange that he made it out of Saw's,
• 1:33:48
  you know, inner circle. Yeah, right.
• 1:33:51
  And just apparently walked away no problem after huffing, you
• 1:33:55
  know, fumes with him. There's no real explanation of
• 1:34:01
  Cassian's line. When he says I've been in this
• 1:34:03
  fight since I was six years old, they didn't really actually
• 1:34:06
  address that. Also, he says you're not the
• 1:34:10
  only one who lost everything, but he didn't lose everything.
• 1:34:13
  And there's no resolution about his sister.
• 1:34:18
  So there's just like a huge fucking list of loose ends that
• 1:34:22
  didn't need to be loose ends. We just spent time dealing with
• 1:34:25
  other shit over here and not actually addressing the like
• 1:34:28
  human part of Cassian where he's a human being with interesting
• 1:34:32
  back story. But instead we have this huge
• 1:34:34
  scope of like the Gorman front and the desks are sort of and
• 1:34:38
  like, I feel like they they kind of lost track of the parts that
• 1:34:43
  are important are the humanity parts.
• 1:34:45
  And I, yeah, I really have to say, my personal feeling is that
• 1:34:49
  Tony Gilroy was obsessed with the character of Bix.
• 1:34:53
  He was infatuated with Bix. And so Bix became this central
• 1:34:59
  point, this pivot point, because Tony loved Bix.
• 1:35:05
  Oh my hot take. Yeah, that's because.
• 1:35:10
  If you I can see it, I can. See it if you take her out and
• 1:35:15
  just put her like how Will was used and how Brasso was used, it
• 1:35:22
  actually gives you all this wiggle room to create more of
• 1:35:26
  Cassian. And they don't.
• 1:35:30
  They spent all this time developing Bix and not really
• 1:35:35
  developing Cassian. The show is called Andor.
• 1:35:38
  I was here to see stuff about Andor like OK again, not the
• 1:35:47
  actresses fault, I don't. Know this has nothing to do with
• 1:35:50
  any of the actors or actresses. No, yeah, she's bless her, she's
• 1:35:54
  lovely. I just feel like I feel
• 1:35:57
  disappointed I guess cuz I didn't get what I wanted a
• 1:36:00
  little bit. Right.
• 1:36:01
  But we're aware. We're aware that, yeah.
• 1:36:04
  Like. That is the that's an emotion,
• 1:36:06
  and we're experiencing it, but also some of that shit's pretty
• 1:36:09
  important. If we're tying it into Rogue
• 1:36:11
  One, that's where my line is drawn.
• 1:36:14
  Yeah, exactly like I can accept not getting what I want.
• 1:36:18
  It happens all the time. Yeah.
• 1:36:20
  But like, you had an end point, like you know where you're
• 1:36:24
  going. Why the fuck did you fuck so
• 1:36:26
  much of this up? We ran out of all of our
• 1:36:33
  perfect, as Luther said, yes. Oh my God, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:38
  And like I I feel like this is one of the best production value
• 1:36:41
  shows I've ever seen. Hands down, they did such a good
• 1:36:46
  job at what they did show. I mean, say what you will about
• 1:36:51
  whether or not you want this or that to happen, it was filmed
• 1:36:54
  beautifully. It's it's beautiful.
• 1:36:56
  The acting is excellent, the music is exceptional, the
• 1:36:59
  costumes, it's one of the best things I've ever seen.
• 1:37:03
  My issue is with how they develop Cassian.
• 1:37:06
  Everything else I loved. I loved on Mothma's arcs and Val
• 1:37:13
  and Luther and Clay. Everybody was totally, it was so
• 1:37:16
  beautifully done. I think there are issues with
• 1:37:18
  the timeline and I think Cassian was like barely developed and
• 1:37:23
  where he was developed is actually in contradiction with
• 1:37:26
  how he is in Rogue One. That's where my big issue is.
• 1:37:30
  It's a pretty big issue. Considering it's a big issue
• 1:37:32
  because that's the tie in to Rogue One, yeah, Since we didn't
• 1:37:37
  get Jin, we have to go off of what we have with Cassian.
• 1:37:41
  Yeah, and the timeline. Yeah.
• 1:37:43
  And he's, he's not quite the way he is in Rogue One.
• 1:37:47
  He's pretty different actually, which is a bummer.
• 1:37:52
  Guess I love him in Rogue One. Rogue One remains my favorite,
• 1:37:56
  still remains my favorite non Skywalker related Star Wars
• 1:38:02
  media. I guess you could say non
• 1:38:04
  trilogy related media. I will never ever forget how I
• 1:38:10
  felt in the theater seeing that movie and I will defend it until
• 1:38:15
  the day I die. I don't know that I can add and
• 1:38:17
  or to that because of that. I think that's why we feel so
• 1:38:20
  strongly, because Rogue One is just that good.
• 1:38:25
  Yeah. And I, I think that part of why
• 1:38:27
  it works, it's because they don't actually fall into the
• 1:38:32
  cliches. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:38:34
  Yeah, and I, I think Bixon Cassian falling in love is a bit
• 1:38:38
  of a cliche and it's a little bit boring.
• 1:38:41
  Like we've been there, done that.
• 1:38:43
  And I think why the the tension with him and Gin is so powerful
• 1:38:49
  is because it's unresolved. Yeah, I still ship them.
• 1:38:53
  I still ship. Them I I do too and I don't give
• 1:38:57
  a fuck. I'm honestly, I really think I'm
• 1:38:59
  going to have to compartmentalize Andor away from
• 1:39:01
  Rogue One. I've already started.
• 1:39:04
  I have to. There's stuff in there that that
• 1:39:07
  like, like Lutheran has changed a lot for me.
• 1:39:11
  And his character is the piece from Andor that I will defend
• 1:39:14
  till the day I die because of just how poignant his character
• 1:39:17
  was. Yeah.
• 1:39:19
  He is like the finest thing that came out of this series, in my
• 1:39:23
  opinion, that still works with what we know in Rogue One and
• 1:39:27
  doesn't destroy anything. It strengthens a lot.
• 1:39:30
  It adds back story without taking away from what we know in
• 1:39:33
  Rogue One and on and on and on beyond Rogue One.
• 1:39:37
  And there's a lot that I'm going to have to compartmentalize.
• 1:39:40
  Yeah. And that's that's pretty.
• 1:39:42
  That's pretty typical with Star Wars at this point.
• 1:39:45
  I'm honestly getting fucking tired of it.
• 1:39:50
  I'm, I hate to say this, but I'm with you.
• 1:39:52
  I'm with you. Yeah, I'm getting tired.
• 1:39:54
  Like I feel like we're being. Stretched and asked to
• 1:39:58
  accommodate a lot. Yeah, and like, if we're going
• 1:40:02
  to fuck around with legacy stuff.
• 1:40:05
  Yeah, why let's let's just not do that.
• 1:40:08
  Yeah, maybe we should stop fucking with legacy.
• 1:40:10
  I don't know. I don't want to be that shit
• 1:40:13
  talker, but I'm also at the point where I've had to watch a
• 1:40:17
  lot of things that are really meaningful to me, things that
• 1:40:20
  have gotten me through the hardest periods of my life and
• 1:40:23
  then they get ruined. And I've actually like maybe
• 1:40:29
  like 10 years ago, I almost got a Star Wars tattoo and it was
• 1:40:32
  like whenever around like Disney bought Star Wars and then I
• 1:40:35
  didn't for some reason. Because of that.
• 1:40:38
  Well, I just wasn't sure and then it was a good thing I
• 1:40:41
  didn't because all this stuff that I considered is now has a
• 1:40:45
  different meaning. Well that's kind of how I feel
• 1:40:47
  about the undermining of Vader's sacrifice with the the whole
• 1:40:52
  like pre not prequel the sequel trilogy.
• 1:40:55
  Yes, yeah. That's obviously a major point.
• 1:41:00
  Yeah. And like, that was all very,
• 1:41:03
  very ruined, like D points. Z Point.
• 1:41:06
  Yeah, Return of the Jedi was undermined.
• 1:41:09
  Yeah. In full by that shit.
• 1:41:12
  So you know, I've had to do this before and I'll do it again with
• 1:41:16
  this show, but I that doesn't mean I like doing it.
• 1:41:18
  It doesn't mean it's fun because you see it, and you you can't
• 1:41:21
  just ignore it because you've seen it.
• 1:41:23
  Right, exactly like the whole idea of Luke being whatever he
• 1:41:28
  is. In.
• 1:41:29
  The Last Jedi and then like Obi one being undermined by bringing
• 1:41:34
  Darth Maul back. Even though it was great plot,
• 1:41:36
  it was entertaining, It really like it took meaning away from
• 1:41:40
  what that character did. Yes.
• 1:41:42
  They just keep doing that and I'm really, I'm tired.
• 1:41:47
  I'm, I'm tired of it. I know that you and I had jokes
• 1:41:51
  like if they said that Jen was Cassian's sister that we would
• 1:41:54
  leave the fandom. No, I'm, I'm with, I'm.
• 1:41:57
  I would leave the fandom tomorrow and I would never look
• 1:42:00
  back and I'd be OK with it. Bye.
• 1:42:02
  Yeah, and I just, it's like, if they keep changing shit, I'm
• 1:42:05
  gonna get really tired. And I, I love Star Wars, but
• 1:42:08
  it's starting to be like, I love Star Wars, but, you know, I hate
• 1:42:11
  having to, like, qualify it. Well, all right.
• 1:42:16
  How do we wrap this up then? What would you give the series
• 1:42:20
  as a whole? Shall we rate it?
• 1:42:23
  My God. There's too many ways to rate it
• 1:42:26
  because like filming wise, costume wise, acting wise, 10
• 1:42:30
  out of 10, yeah, timeline wise, 5 out of 10.
• 1:42:33
  Where the fuck is gin? 0 out of 10.
• 1:42:36
  Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.
• 1:42:38
  So I guess we can't, I guess. It's hard because I felt season
• 1:42:43
  1 was perfect and had a really like had amazing potential and I
• 1:42:48
  was really happy with the way season 2 started.
• 1:42:51
  And like, every arc we went through, I became more and more
• 1:42:54
  deflated. And yeah, as Bix became more and
• 1:42:58
  more of a like a cliche and yeah, Cassian didn't do
• 1:43:03
  anything, and then the timelines don't really match up.
• 1:43:06
  And so I don't know, I have really mixed feelings.
• 1:43:09
  I think it's one of the most perfect things I've seen and one
• 1:43:12
  of the most frustrating and heartbreaking things I've seen
• 1:43:14
  because I care that much about Cassian in particular and Rogue
• 1:43:19
  One, And I get it. If you're not obsessed with
• 1:43:21
  Rogue One and you don't have like an obsession with Cassie
• 1:43:24
  and Andor, this is probably super great and entertaining.
• 1:43:27
  Yeah. And I can, you know, I
• 1:43:29
  understand that. Well.
• 1:43:31
  I kind of came away feeling like I wish I'd never watched it
• 1:43:34
  because I I'm sad the way it changed things about Rogue One
• 1:43:38
  for me. You were fearful of that.
• 1:43:41
  Yeah, if I had known, I wouldn't have watched it, I think.
• 1:43:46
  Oh, I mean, that's I feel about, I feel that way about a lot of
• 1:43:49
  stuff in Star Wars. But I am happy and thankful that
• 1:43:54
  we got characters like Lutheran, you know, and Clay.
• 1:43:58
  I love the back story of Mon that was that was flawless.
• 1:44:03
  Yeah. Genevieve really shines in every
• 1:44:07
  scene. She's no matter what it.
• 1:44:08
  Is my God, she's such a good. So there's a lot of really good
• 1:44:12
  golden Nuggets, yeah, but as far as like, the tale of Cassian,
• 1:44:17
  Andor didn't stick the landing. I'm not going to let it ruin
• 1:44:24
  Rogue One, because I just won't. I won't allow it.
• 1:44:27
  I know I'm going to have to like reprogram my brain so that Rogue
• 1:44:30
  One looks exactly the same to me as it always did because I even
• 1:44:34
  wrote like a fick and my own fick meaning got changed because
• 1:44:38
  of this stupid. Show.
• 1:44:41
  Well, I mean, you can still hold on to that.
• 1:44:42
  That's yours. Nobody.
• 1:44:44
  I've been rereading it and it feels different.
• 1:44:47
  It made me so angry. Oh, Oh yeah.
• 1:44:52
  Which I just have to point out. How must Gareth Edwards feel?
• 1:44:56
  I thought of that. I hope.
• 1:44:58
  I don't know. I'm listen, I'm with Gareth till
• 1:45:01
  the end. I'm a ride or die with him.
• 1:45:05
  I I don't know. I mean like he's the reason
• 1:45:09
  Diego Luna is Cassie and Andy. He chose him personally, like
• 1:45:13
  without auditioning. Yep.
• 1:45:16
  It must feel like such a slap in the face.
• 1:45:22
  It must be so hard to see all this love and all these
• 1:45:26
  accolades going to Andor, which it deserves because it is
• 1:45:29
  incredible, the production value.
• 1:45:31
  But it's like, but it's changing.
• 1:45:33
  Rogue One and Rogue One did not need to be changed.
• 1:45:37
  It was perfect just as it is. That must be such a hard pill to
• 1:45:41
  swallow as the creator and director of that movie.
• 1:45:45
  Yeah, but he still has the best piece of post original trilogy
• 1:45:51
  truth Star Wars out there. So he he still, he still wears
• 1:45:56
  the crown because. Remember when Rogue One, it was
• 1:45:59
  like it came out after the the prequels and it went back to
• 1:46:04
  tactile stuff like it was real creatures and real sets.
• 1:46:09
  It wasn't green screening and it felt like A New Hope again.
• 1:46:13
  It was like. Oh my God, where has this been?
• 1:46:15
  Truly, truly. It was special.
• 1:46:18
  It really was and I got to see it with you in theater when they
• 1:46:21
  re released it. I know it was so much fun.
• 1:46:24
  God, I cried just as much then as I did.
• 1:46:26
  What is wrong? Don't answer that question.
• 1:46:28
  I keep saying what's wrong with me, but don't answer but Rogue
• 1:46:32
  One. I mean, I know that it's
• 1:46:33
  emotional, but like, I cried for joy when Vader's in that hallway
• 1:46:37
  scene. I have problems.
• 1:46:40
  I'm not a violent person, I just really like the bad guy when
• 1:46:43
  he's at his prime. Oh, I love you so.
• 1:46:47
  Much my final thought on this, I miss Jen, what's your final
• 1:46:55
  thought? My final thought is just kind of
• 1:46:58
  like that sums it up. Fair.
• 1:47:10
  All right, well, that's it. We're exhausted.
• 1:47:17
  Oh my God, we're gonna go back to our every other week schedule
• 1:47:21
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• 1:47:25
  it was like 2 hour long episodes every time.
• 1:47:28
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• 1:47:31
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• 1:47:37
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• 1:47:40
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• 1:47:43
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• 1:47:47
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• 1:47:51
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• 1:47:54
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• 1:47:56
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