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TONIGHT REVEAL: EPSTEIN HAND-DELIVERS VICTIMS LIKE PIZZAS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace at this hour, as the
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Speaker 1: country is seemingly torn in half over the release of
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Speaker 1: the so called Epstein files and the Epstein client list,
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Speaker 1: we have proof that Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking ring
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Speaker 1: spans much further than just the US. I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: proof that girls as young as twelve years old were
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Speaker 1: flown from various countries to Epstein's Island, where they were
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Speaker 1: handed over like a pizza delivery to Jeffrey Epstein and
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Speaker 1: his wealthy clients. It's like a dirt sandwich in my mouth.
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Speaker 1: Why has this not been uncovered? I mean, I see, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Clime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Joining us tonight is a very special guest,
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Speaker 1: Barry Levine. Barry is the author of an incredible book
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Speaker 1: called Listen to This, The Spider Inside the Tangled Web
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Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein and Elaine Maxwell. Wow. He is a
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Speaker 1: veteran investigative reporter and editor both in print and in TV. Barry,
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Speaker 1: you devoted a huge chunk of your life to writing
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Speaker 1: this book about Epstein and Maxwell, and it is amazing.
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Speaker 1: I've got so many questions for you, but I want
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Speaker 1: to start with something we don't normally hear about. Regarding Epstein,
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Speaker 1: I've done a lot of research on this, but I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you have outdone me. I want to talk about
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Speaker 1: the US Virgin Islands. Why do I want to talk
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Speaker 1: about that because we've been focusing a lot, as has
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Speaker 1: the public, on the Epstein files. Even though we were
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Speaker 1: promised they would be released, it hasn't happened. I smell
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Speaker 1: a rat now. I could go down that road. But
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Speaker 1: there's something I'd like you to educate everyone about, okay,
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Speaker 1: and that is the fact that Epstein wasn't just finding
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Speaker 1: teen girls in Florida that were usually underprivileged, single parent home,
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Speaker 1: no money, no hopes. He wasn't just preying on them.
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Speaker 1: At his height, he had about, give or take five
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Speaker 1: hundred and six hundred million dollars, yet he was trading
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Speaker 1: moving billions bizin brother billions of dollars. Now, everybody that
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Speaker 1: has a bank account knows you can't transfer more money
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Speaker 1: than you have. I want to know where the money
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Speaker 1: is coming from. And regarding the US Virgin Islands, this
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Speaker 1: sex child sex trafficking ring is a lot bigger than
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Speaker 1: a few girls down upon beach. We are talking about Europe.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about Eastern Europe. We are talking about children,
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Speaker 1: girls as young as twelve years old, being put on
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Speaker 1: planes and flown to the US Virgin Islands, delivered like
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Speaker 1: a pizza to Jeffrey Epstein, and then his French counterpart,
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Speaker 1: Jean le Brunelle, is dead behind bars. Wow, what a coincidink.
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Speaker 1: You have uncovered evidence that this is a world wide operation.
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Speaker 2: Explain that's absolutely correct, Nancy, And I'm hoping that if
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Speaker 2: we ever get into these Epstein files, three hundred gigabytes
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Speaker 2: of material that hundreds of thousands of pages, that we
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Speaker 2: will help uncover the enablers who assisted Jeffrey Epstein. Now names.
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Speaker 2: You have to remember that after Jeffrey Epstein received that
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Speaker 2: slap on the risk conviction down in Florida in two
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Speaker 2: thousand and eight. It's part of that non prosecution agreement
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Speaker 2: in which he only had to plead guilty to state
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Speaker 2: charges for solicitation of a minor and was given a
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Speaker 2: sweetheart deal of fourteen months behind bars, which most.
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Speaker 1: Of the time he was l I just want to
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Speaker 1: tell you something. You're actually making my stomach hurt. It's
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Speaker 1: actually hurting right now. If i'd have gotten a hold
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Speaker 1: of this guy, he would have been under the jail.
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Speaker 1: Under the jail, he actually had his limo pick him up,
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Speaker 1: his limo at the Palmies jail and drive him wherever
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Speaker 1: he wanted to go. That's not punishment. So who is
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Speaker 1: covering for this guy? Well, at this point he's dead,
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Speaker 1: so he's not getting covered. Somebody else is covering for
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Speaker 1: somebody else. But I'm sorry I interrupted. Please go ahead,
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Speaker 1: absolutely right, Nancy.
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Speaker 2: It was sickening in terms of that slap on the
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Speaker 2: wrist in Florida. At the time, the FBI wanted to
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Speaker 2: put him away for seventy five years, and then he
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Speaker 2: got that sweetheart deal. And when he was out on
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Speaker 2: work release, he had a ankle bracelet and he was
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Speaker 2: having sex, as I reported in my book with Victims,
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Speaker 2: while he had the ankle monitor on his leg.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, Okay, hold on, I gotta just hold that image
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Speaker 1: in my mind. And I used to tellys, I know
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Speaker 1: it's disgusting. You may go home and vomit, but you
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Speaker 1: have to think about it. You have to think about this. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to make you think about it, Levine. Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein naked on his massage table with Gilaine Maxwell, not
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Speaker 1: just present, but actually girls with him. Let's think about that.
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Speaker 1: And when you say victims, little girls, and I believe
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Speaker 1: you can prove this. Little girls as young as twelve
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Speaker 1: being flown from Russia, Turkey, and beyond two the Virgin Islands,
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Speaker 1: delivered directly to Jeffrey Epstein. There are witnesses that see
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Speaker 1: the little girls getting off the plane and going to
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Speaker 1: his mansion, not just one, not just to a steady string.
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Speaker 1: There are thousands of victims, which leads me to who
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Speaker 1: and the hell are the other men that can are
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Speaker 1: wealthy enough to pay to fly to US Virgin Islands
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Speaker 1: and have with a twelve year old girl. By god,
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Speaker 1: I am not letting this go le Vain.
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Speaker 3: And you shouldn't.
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Speaker 2: And the American public and the victims, over a thousand
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Speaker 2: victims want answers.
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Speaker 3: And that's why we.
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Speaker 2: Need to open up these FBI files, because we need
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Speaker 2: to find the men who put these girls on plane.
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Speaker 2: They didn't get on planes themselves. There were men in
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Speaker 2: these remote locations in Russia, in Turkey, in tur Mecca, Stan,
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Speaker 2: Eastern European countries. Jeffrey Epstein was afraid of the Pombeach Police.
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Speaker 2: He was afraid of the NYPD after that slap on
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Speaker 2: the risk conviction, so he moved his sex trafficking too
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Speaker 2: his island in the Virgin Island, and there he used enablers.
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Speaker 2: And you mentioned one Jean Luke Brunell, who was a
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Speaker 2: French modeling agent who after Jeffrey Epstein's death, he himself
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Speaker 2: ended up behind bars in Paris on charges and mysteriously
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Speaker 2: also died behind bars in a similar fashion to Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 2: And we still don't have answers to how John Luke
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Speaker 2: Brunell actually died, but we do know that he was
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Speaker 2: one of the men who was one of the enabors
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Speaker 2: who put these young girls on planes. Once they arrived
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Speaker 2: at the airport in the Virgin Islands, they were then
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Speaker 2: ferried by boat to Jeffrey Epstein's house on Little Saint James,
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Speaker 2: and we know that it was horrific. He made the
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Speaker 2: girls call him the godfather. He had a gun strap
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Speaker 2: to one of his bedposts. One victim was so terrified
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Speaker 2: that she actually attempted to swim off the island, only
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Speaker 2: to turn back when she realized the water currents and
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Speaker 2: so forth. This was a the horrors that Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 2: brought these girls to and only now are we beginning to.
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Speaker 3: Learn some of the circumstances.
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Speaker 2: I have to applaud Senator Ron White in the Oregon
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Speaker 2: who is looking into the forty seven hundred wire transfers
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Speaker 2: totally one billion dollars of money that Jeffrey Epstein used
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Speaker 2: to pay out these enablers and others. The money was
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Speaker 2: put through Russian banks. We need to get down to
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Speaker 2: the bottom of all this. We need him to continue
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Speaker 2: his investigation, and we absolutely need to dig into those
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Speaker 2: FBI files to see if there are men out there
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Speaker 2: that the US could work with other governments on in
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Speaker 2: terms of bringing some of these enablers to justice.
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Speaker 1: You know, you said this was an island of horrors
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Speaker 1: in the one little girl tried to swim away. I mean,
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Speaker 1: of course, I'm projecting about my life, little girl. This's tiny,
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Speaker 1: tiny little thing, even now at seventeen, at age twelve, Okay,
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Speaker 1: when I was age twelve, I didn't even know what
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Speaker 1: a period was. When my front store neighbor told me,
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a joke. Twelve year old girls,
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Speaker 1: and now hold that thought in your mind. A twelve
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Speaker 1: year old little girl fourth fifth grade. Somebody puts her
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Speaker 1: on a plane with other little girls, a private plane.
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Speaker 1: She is flown to Epstein's Island, two miles from shore.
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Speaker 1: She's thrown to the mainland, and then she's ferried to
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Speaker 1: the island. I've learned from research. Why am I saying
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Speaker 1: all this because there's a chain a private plane and
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Speaker 1: let's just pretend Russia or one of the stands. Somebody
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Speaker 1: has a log of the pop private plane. That plane
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Speaker 1: brings little girls to the mainland USVII. Then they get
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Speaker 1: off the plane. Somebody sees them getting off the plane,
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Speaker 1: and there are witnesses, you know, there are witnesses about
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Speaker 1: the little girls filing off the plane. Then they get
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Speaker 1: onto a ferry. Why do I care? Because that gives
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Speaker 1: me other witnesses. The captain, the crew that fairy the
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Speaker 1: little girls and hand them over to Epstein. Somebody meets
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Speaker 1: them at the ferry and brings them in. Now twelve
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Speaker 1: years old, what seventy pounds, sixty pounds maybe? Virginia's You're
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Speaker 1: Freight describes being taken into the massage room where she
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Speaker 1: is put on top of Epstein and heed her and
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Speaker 1: then they give her two hundred dollars and send her
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Speaker 1: on our way. These girls twelve years old, many if
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Speaker 1: not all of them Virgin not knowing what was happening
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Speaker 1: to them until they are and we are going to
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Speaker 1: stand by and do nothing. I'm not. I don't care
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Speaker 1: what kind of hell rains down on me. This is
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Speaker 1: so wrong and there are thousands of little girl victims,
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Speaker 1: little girls. I don't understand it. And another thing, Levine
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Speaker 1: all this business. At one point Bondie said, I've got
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Speaker 1: a client list right here on my desk. Now she's
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Speaker 1: saying there is no client list. Okay, you know what.
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Speaker 1: There may not be a client list per se, but
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Speaker 1: the clients will be discernible through investigation. Who was on
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Speaker 1: those flights, who came to the home. There are thousands
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Speaker 1: of hours of video, who's in the who was he
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Speaker 1: making the transfers to and from the money transfers. That's
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Speaker 1: your client list. You just have to look for it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's so much material in those FBI files.
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Speaker 2: There's US marshal reports of flight logs specifically to the
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Speaker 2: Virgin Islands. There's so much that investigators can dig into.
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Speaker 2: And I don't understand why it's taken us this long
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Speaker 2: to get to this point of saying, Hey, what the
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Speaker 2: hell happened there? And why aren't we bringing people to justice?
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Speaker 2: And I can't stand the fact that they're making this
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Speaker 2: into politics. Just release the files, let investigators go through them,
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Speaker 2: and bring together an international consortium of law enforcement to
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Speaker 2: apprehend these guys because they're out there.
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Speaker 1: I had to guess the other night, Barry that represented
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Speaker 1: nine and it's growing of the little victims. And they
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Speaker 1: describe corporate clients, rich guys that want to have sex
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Speaker 1: with a twelve year old virgin, an American twelve year
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Speaker 1: old virgin. Why do I care if it's an American because
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Speaker 1: it's on our soil and we have jurisdiction. I can't
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Speaker 1: control what's happening in Russia and Turkey and the stands,
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Speaker 1: but we can't control what's happening in the US. There
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Speaker 1: are men, and I have prosecuted many of them, and
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Speaker 1: it's outside the realm of a lot of people's understanding,
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Speaker 1: and I'm glad that it is. Why should they have
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Speaker 1: to know this? There are millions of men that would
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Speaker 1: pay thousands of dollars to a twelve year old. Do
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Speaker 1: I like it? No? Is it real, Yes, who are
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Speaker 1: these people and why have they not been brought to justice.
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Speaker 1: So this lawyer that I interviewed knows who many of
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Speaker 1: the clients aka John's aka child rapists are, but he's
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Speaker 1: bound to attorney client privilege and he can't reveal what
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Speaker 1: his victims have said. It's real. This is not some
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Speaker 1: wacky conspiracy theory. This is real. Explain to me how
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Speaker 1: you know it's real.
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Speaker 2: It is real, and you know I've been through thousands
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Speaker 2: of documents. I've been through some confidential court files. There
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Speaker 2: are men, in fact, Alan Durschwitz who helped I should say,
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein get that sweetheart deal as his lead attorney
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Speaker 2: back in two thousand and eight. He's come out and
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Speaker 2: said he's aware of the list of men. But the
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Speaker 2: fact of the matter is none of these individuals are
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Speaker 2: willing to put these names out.
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Speaker 3: And it's going to.
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Speaker 2: Take, as I said, some type of international law enforcement
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Speaker 2: group to pull this together to begin going after the men,
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Speaker 2: not only the men who are in the United States,
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Speaker 2: but the international fixtures, but also individuals who are in
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Speaker 2: his circle who.
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Speaker 3: He invited to that island.
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Speaker 2: We need to get a list or a real wist,
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Speaker 2: not just some of the redactive flight walls. We need
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Speaker 2: to get the real lists that's in those documents. And
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that every individual who is brought to
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Speaker 2: that island took part in any criminality. A huge majority
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Speaker 2: of them probably did not. But there are people that
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Speaker 2: need to be investigated and.
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Speaker 1: Put him up. We need to go. Yeah, I got
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Speaker 1: it bound to pate with you. If an American wanted
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Speaker 1: to mate with Epstein for any legitimate reason, why not
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Speaker 1: just mate, you know, at Tiles Bagels in New York.
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Speaker 1: All right? Why do you have to to his secret
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Speaker 1: island off the US Virgin Islands, which I would like
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Speaker 1: to point out is under US sovereignty. Correct, we have
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Speaker 1: jurisdiction there, but we're doing nothing about it. First, we
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Speaker 1: got to deal with what's happening right here on our
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Speaker 1: home soil. Then we can deal with them. But you
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Speaker 1: have Doug and Doug and Doug, and you have proof
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Speaker 1: that this happened. What is your strongest evidence, Barry.
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Speaker 2: The evidence, as I said, Nancy, is in confidential files.
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Speaker 2: It is with women who have going through FBI interviews,
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Speaker 2: is for women who have done depositions. The problem with
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Speaker 2: a lot of this is that Jeffrey Epstein initially did
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Speaker 2: a lot of deals to make a lot of this
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Speaker 2: stuff go away with these women. He paid millions of
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Speaker 2: dollars and there were settlements. A lot of that material
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Speaker 2: is under court seal, and someone has to be able
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Speaker 2: to bring forward those documents, review.
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Speaker 3: And come up with a legal way of.
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Speaker 2: Going after those men, because unless we can get the enablers,
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Speaker 2: unless we can get the men who took part in
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Speaker 2: the sext traffick game, we're never going to get any
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Speaker 2: justice for his victims.
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Speaker 3: And that's something that we have married.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can see the screen or not,
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Speaker 1: but I want you to look at Epstein. Have you
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Speaker 1: ever wanted to attack someone? Because when I look at
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Speaker 1: that smug smile, I literally want to just scratch his
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Speaker 1: lips off his face. Knowing what I know, I know
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Speaker 1: this happened, and I know Gilaine Maxwell helped him, and
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Speaker 1: I know that there are rich guys that will pay
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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to him and Elaine Maxwell to have
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Speaker 1: sex with a twelve year old girl. I know this happened,
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Speaker 1: and it's not just me spinning it out right here.
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Speaker 1: There have been Oh I believe my last talent was
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Speaker 1: around two hundred million dollars settlement with various banks like
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Speaker 1: Deutsche Bank, for one. But there are many banks with
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Speaker 1: whom Epstein did business, and that money is dirty money
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Speaker 1: from sex trafficking. These victims sued and they got millions
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Speaker 1: of dollars from the banks. You think, let me see,
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Speaker 1: Barry Levine, Barry Levine, you know how banks are. They
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Speaker 1: will squeeze a penny out of you. If you write
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Speaker 1: a check, they'll get a penny, all right. They'll think
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Speaker 1: of any way. You go to an atm oh get
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Speaker 1: ready to shell out twenty five dollars for withdrawing money.
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Speaker 1: They will think of any way to get one penny
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Speaker 1: from you. Yet they have settled over two hundred million
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Speaker 1: dollars with Epstein victims. Why why did these banks settle?
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Speaker 2: Because for years this went on and they looked the
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Speaker 2: other way. And it was only recently after his death
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Speaker 2: that the victims and the victims lawyers began piecing this
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Speaker 2: together and realized that the root of all this is
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Speaker 2: the money. The famous saying from all the President's men,
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Speaker 2: the warrigate story follow the money. And I and as
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Speaker 2: I said, Senator Whyden, is one individual saint who is
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Speaker 2: actually going after some of these men and going down
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Speaker 2: that money trail. And why we're going down the money
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Speaker 2: trail now, I don't understand. This should have happened back
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Speaker 2: at the time of Jeffrey Epstein's arrest, at the time
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Speaker 2: of his death. Why we're now, all these years later
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Speaker 2: finally getting to this. I just don't understand. Because it
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Speaker 2: was it was all there, It was all there, And
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Speaker 2: now I'm afraid with the passage of time that a
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Speaker 2: lot of these men are going to get away.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. But my question, if you
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Speaker 1: could boil it down to a nutshell, why did these
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Speaker 1: big banks fork out over two hundred million dollars settlement
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Speaker 1: to the girl victims? What did the banks do wrong?
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Speaker 3: Banks?
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Speaker 2: There were individuals with the bank, with the banks who
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Speaker 2: took Jeffrey Epstein's money and.
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Speaker 3: Allegedly looked the other way.
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Speaker 2: And in terms of all these funny transactions, the wire transfers,
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Speaker 2: the billions of dollars that went through these banks. Not
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Speaker 2: only he had one hundred and fifty six bank accounts,
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, according to his estate so executives of his
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Speaker 2: estate one hundred and fifty so money was flying all
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Speaker 2: over the place.
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Speaker 1: But there's got to be more barry. It's not just
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Speaker 1: as somebody to look the other way. When Epstein was
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Speaker 1: doing questionable bank maneuvers. They didn't pay the settlement to
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Speaker 1: just anybody. They pay the settlement to sex trafficking girl victims.
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Speaker 1: Why what's the nexus the banks paid the little girls?
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Speaker 2: Why because they didn't want bank officials being prosecuted. That's
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Speaker 2: the way I look at it, because if the Feds
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Speaker 2: really took a hard look, it's very possible that they
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Speaker 2: could have brought up some individuals on charges. And the
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Speaker 2: fact is the banks were willing to Are you trying.
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Speaker 1: To say in a very very very roundabout way that
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Speaker 1: some of the banking officials knew about the child sex trafficking,
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Speaker 1: that they should have known, or that this money they
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Speaker 1: were making possible for Epstein was funded by international child
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Speaker 1: sex trafficking. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 2: That is true, Nancy, And in fact, there are some
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Speaker 2: individuals who have been accused of wrongdoing. But at the
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Speaker 2: end of the day, there's been settlements because of the
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Speaker 2: banks in terms of culpability, and no one has ever
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Speaker 2: been charged related to the banks. Now, there have been
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Speaker 2: individuals who have lost their jobs related to these banks.
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Speaker 3: Oh boo hooo, and prosecuted.
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Speaker 1: They made money. The banks made money off these girls
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Speaker 1: and this sex trafficking ring. And can't emphasize it enough.
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Speaker 1: I typically do not believe in conspiracies because I don't
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Speaker 1: think people are able to keep their yap shut long
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Speaker 1: enough to protect a conspiracy. What do I mean by
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Speaker 1: that example? Oj was framed? No, he wasn't. Because somebody
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Speaker 1: on the LAPD would make a three million dollar advance
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Speaker 1: for telling the conspiracy in a big, fat, juicy book
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Speaker 1: that will be a major motion picture. They'll give up
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Speaker 1: their badges, they don't care, they'll lose their retirement for
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Speaker 1: three mili. That never happened. Why because there was no conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe in conspiracies. This I believe in. This
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Speaker 1: was a multi jurisdictional child sex trafficking ring to the
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Speaker 1: tune of billions of dollars, as proven by Epstein's banking accounts.
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Speaker 1: I am talking about Russia, Turkey, the stands, France where
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Speaker 1: Jean lou Brunnell was sending little girls to Epstein. And
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Speaker 1: you're right, Levine, Florida was onto him. New York was
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Speaker 1: onto him. Hence US Virgin Islands, where nobody would know
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Speaker 1: and nobody would say a damn thing.
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Speaker 2: It's the whole thing is tragic. After Jeffrey Epstein's death,
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Speaker 2: there was one woman in the US Virgin Islands who
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Speaker 2: was the Attorney General at the time, Denise George, who
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Speaker 2: took this thing on. While the government wanted to look
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Speaker 2: the other way, she did the heavy lifting. She began
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Speaker 2: sending out subpoenas she wanted to investigate his company in
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Speaker 2: the Virgin Islands.
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Speaker 1: Called so don't tell me she's dead.
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Speaker 3: He is not dead.
25:56
Speaker 2: But she was fired from her job because she was
26:01
Speaker 2: upsetting higher ups in the government because they wanted to
26:06
Speaker 2: make all this go away. And she went after the estate.
26:11
Speaker 2: She named the Southern Trust as nothing more than a
26:17
Speaker 2: criminal enterprise, affront for his sex trafficking, and on her
26:22
Speaker 2: own without the help of the Southern District in New
26:26
Speaker 2: York or other prosecutors. From her little island office, she
26:32
Speaker 2: was subpoenaing billionaire friends of Jeffrey Epstein, trying to get
26:37
Speaker 2: to the bottom.
26:38
Speaker 3: Of all this.
26:40
Speaker 2: And when she was making so much noise that the
26:43
Speaker 2: government above her said, you know what, this is what
26:48
Speaker 2: we don't want to take.
26:49
Speaker 3: This investigation on on our own. You've done enough.
26:52
Speaker 2: After that, they basically said, we're going to wash your
26:55
Speaker 2: hands of this. And while when she wanted to do that,
26:59
Speaker 2: this strong willed woman in ey Storge was fired from
27:04
Speaker 2: her job, which to me is absolutely horrible because if
27:09
Speaker 2: there's any good people in this story, she is at
27:13
Speaker 2: the top of that list because she tried. And now
27:18
Speaker 2: with the work that she did, it's now in the
27:21
Speaker 2: hands of the wallmakers and law enforcement in the US
27:26
Speaker 2: to pick up the pieces of her investigation and go
27:29
Speaker 2: after these men.
27:30
Speaker 1: You know, we keep having people testifying about this. I
27:33
Speaker 1: would love to hear her testify under oath about what
27:36
Speaker 1: she learned and what she investigated and who she subpoened
27:39
Speaker 1: and then got fired, thrown out on the street because
27:43
Speaker 1: she was exposing Epstein and his wealthy clients. I mean,
27:49
Speaker 1: forty seven hundred wire transfers to the tune of billion
27:54
Speaker 1: with the me is in brother of dollars that he
27:56
Speaker 1: didn't have follow the money. And you know what, at
28:02
Speaker 1: this moment, off the top of my head, I don't
28:04
Speaker 1: know if Widen is a Republican or a Democrat, and
28:06
Speaker 1: I don't care what he is. I just hope Denise,
28:09
Speaker 1: George and Widen don't end up dead like so many
28:12
Speaker 1: other people connected to this case. I saw one estimates
28:17
Speaker 1: up in the twenties people connected to this case now dead.
28:24
Speaker 1: That's quite the spate of suicides. But before I get
28:27
Speaker 1: to Jean Luke Burnell or Jenny Giuffrey, many of Epstein's
28:34
Speaker 1: then child victims. Now they suddenly all commit suicide as
28:38
Speaker 1: this thing is heating up. Okay, I want to talk
28:42
Speaker 1: about this is like dirt in my mouth, Gilaine Maxwell,
28:49
Speaker 1: you know what everybody always talks about. Oh, she's so glamorous,
28:52
Speaker 1: she's so sophisticated, she's so educated, boring the silver spoon
28:56
Speaker 1: in her mouth. Do not care. She looks like the
29:00
Speaker 1: devil to me, because not just one, not just too many,
29:04
Speaker 1: many of these little girl victims say she was the spider.
29:09
Speaker 1: She lured them into the web. She didn't just hand
29:12
Speaker 1: them over to Epstein, a little twelve year old girl
29:15
Speaker 1: to get She took part in the market. Is that
29:20
Speaker 1: so hard for people to believe? It's real? They all
29:25
Speaker 1: said it. Not just one girl, not just two, but
29:28
Speaker 1: many little girls said she them. She's evil.
29:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the the only way she justified this she.
29:39
Speaker 3: Told friends, and I quoted them in my book.
29:42
Speaker 2: She said to me, these girls are nothing but trash.
29:47
Speaker 1: He basically, okay, stop stop, stop, put him up, put
29:52
Speaker 1: him up. I have that written in my notes, and
29:57
Speaker 1: I didn't say it because it's very hurtful. You know.
30:03
Speaker 1: I think about the girls twelve, and I remember coming home,
30:09
Speaker 1: I'll latch key kid on a red dirt road in
30:13
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. Mom and dad both at work.
30:20
Speaker 1: These girls came home, nobody was there until they befriended
30:27
Speaker 1: Gilaine Maxwell, and she said, and you quote, these girls
30:34
Speaker 1: are nothing but trash.
30:40
Speaker 2: And we have to we have to see that down
30:43
Speaker 2: because there are people who want to see her sentence lessened.
30:48
Speaker 2: There are people around her who want to see her
30:51
Speaker 2: pardoned by the president. We have to continue to remind
30:56
Speaker 2: the public what heard you was of these women. For
31:02
Speaker 2: these girls at the.
31:03
Speaker 1: Times, girls some of them hadn't even had a period.
31:08
Speaker 4: For Pete's sake, but we have to keep on pounding
31:12
Speaker 4: this point because she was She brought these girls to Epstein, not.
31:20
Speaker 2: Only so he content, but she also took part in
31:23
Speaker 2: the sexual abuse. And we have to keep her behind bars.
31:29
Speaker 2: She's an animal, and she deserved the sentence for brave
31:35
Speaker 2: women testified against her at her trial. One of them
31:41
Speaker 2: died of an accidental drug overdose. Because these women still
31:46
Speaker 2: suffering to this day. They still can't many of them
31:51
Speaker 2: still can't move beyond their childhood's being taken by these
31:57
Speaker 2: two the predatory Bonnie and Clyde as I called him
32:00
Speaker 2: in my book, But even calling them a Bonnie and Clyde,
32:05
Speaker 2: it is not nice enough in terms of what they did.
32:08
Speaker 2: They were both sexual predators. They were both animals. And
32:14
Speaker 2: she needs not that receives a being a minimum security
32:18
Speaker 2: camp where she is now in Texas. She should be
32:22
Speaker 2: in an absolute maximum security facility. It's horrible in terms
32:27
Speaker 2: of how she is manipulating individuals in the government right
32:34
Speaker 2: now to get what she wants.
32:37
Speaker 3: And that's wrong.
32:44
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray find everyone because it's getting
32:52
Speaker 1: lost in the sauce that the reason Gilene Maxwell is
32:56
Speaker 1: convicted right now and sentenced to twenty years is because
33:00
Speaker 1: four then little girls testified against her. Scrawny bony rear
33:08
Speaker 1: end about them and I know you don't want to
33:13
Speaker 1: think about it, but you have to judge the facts,
33:18
Speaker 1: even if they taste bad. Going down, she was convicted
33:22
Speaker 1: from little girls herself. What does she do hold them
33:28
Speaker 1: down while he ran them digitally them? I don't know
33:34
Speaker 1: what she did, but hold that in your mind when
33:39
Speaker 1: you look at her picture. Hold that in your mind
33:45
Speaker 1: when you try to figure out if Elaine Max WILLI
33:48
Speaker 1: ever tell the truth? There's only one way she may
33:51
Speaker 1: tell part of the truth, and that's to save her
33:53
Speaker 1: own skin. What can she offer us? Why do I
33:58
Speaker 1: even want her? That's doing a deal with the devil
34:01
Speaker 1: of aid.
34:02
Speaker 2: It is and the government has already accused her of perjury.
34:06
Speaker 3: So anything she says, anything that comes.
34:09
Speaker 2: Out of her mouth, has to be collaborated by fact,
34:14
Speaker 2: has to be coroborated by documents, has to be cooberated
34:17
Speaker 2: by other victims. We can't take anything that she said
34:22
Speaker 2: that's truthful because she has lied from the very very beginning.
34:29
Speaker 2: And it is appalling that that officials even went out
34:38
Speaker 2: of their way to go down to Florida to interview her. Okay,
34:44
Speaker 2: she was being treated like she was a special v
34:48
Speaker 2: I p to me that was so wrong. But listen,
34:54
Speaker 2: if she if she.
34:59
Speaker 1: Of child abuse. He's got there were ten thousand tapes.
35:04
Speaker 1: Every place he had was blanketed in video cams. In fact,
35:09
Speaker 1: do you point this out? Levan And a lot of
35:11
Speaker 1: people didn't know this that he actually had local police
35:15
Speaker 1: Billie come to his place in Florida to set up
35:19
Speaker 1: the video cams to catch people stealing from him. In
35:25
Speaker 1: other words, video John's rich. John's having twelve year old
35:32
Speaker 1: little girls, That's why. And they went along with it
35:35
Speaker 1: and set up the video cams in his place.
35:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's disturbing in terms of how a police department
35:45
Speaker 2: in Palm Beach. Jeffrey Epstein gave money in terms of
35:49
Speaker 2: charities to the police. He called on them and said, Hey,
35:53
Speaker 2: I've got employees stealing from me. Would you come over
35:57
Speaker 2: here and help me set up secret surveillance cameras and
36:00
Speaker 2: my home. They went over there and they did that,
36:04
Speaker 2: and he ended up using those cameras to record not
36:08
Speaker 2: only his own criminality but also that of other individuals.
36:12
Speaker 2: And we still don't know where all these tapes are.
36:16
Speaker 2: He had homes in Palm Beach, he had his townhouse
36:20
Speaker 2: in New York, he had his ranch, the Zoro Ranch
36:23
Speaker 2: in New Mexico. He had of course the island in
36:26
Speaker 2: the Virgin Islands, and then he had the apartment in Paris.
36:30
Speaker 2: He had each and every one of his homes wired
36:35
Speaker 2: for secret surveillance. So there's thousands and thousands and thousands
36:41
Speaker 2: of capes and the government is sitting on some material.
36:47
Speaker 2: But I also believe that there's other tapes that are
36:50
Speaker 2: out there. I tell a story of my book about
36:53
Speaker 2: how incense one detective from Palm Beach was as after
37:00
Speaker 2: Epstein received that slap on the wrist, because they had
37:04
Speaker 2: compiled forty victims initially in their investigation, and this detective
37:12
Speaker 2: allegedly turned over evidence to an individual who now is
37:17
Speaker 2: in Russia and apparently has some of that material. So
37:24
Speaker 2: who has that material? Do the Russians have that material?
37:28
Speaker 2: The authorities over there have that material? Is it blackmail material?
37:32
Speaker 3: We don't know.
37:34
Speaker 2: There is so much that still has to be done
37:37
Speaker 2: related to this case.
37:39
Speaker 1: Barry, why are we why have we been lied to?
37:43
Speaker 1: Why are we not getting the files?
37:45
Speaker 2: You know, we were promised that this was going to
37:48
Speaker 2: be the most transparent presidency in history. I'm going to
37:53
Speaker 2: get the JFK files and Martin Luther King files. President
37:58
Speaker 2: Trump was asked during the campaign would he release the
38:03
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein files. He said he would. He put him
38:06
Speaker 2: in the hands of Pam Bondi, who promised that she
38:12
Speaker 2: was going to release the files. And then over fourth
38:16
Speaker 2: of July week and we were stonewalled. We received a
38:20
Speaker 2: two page memo that basically said, Jeffrey Epstein died behind bars,
38:26
Speaker 2: there was nothing nefarious about his death, there was no
38:30
Speaker 2: client lists, there's no blackmail, and everybody basically go home.
38:36
Speaker 2: It reminded me of the scene and Wizard of Oz
38:38
Speaker 2: where Dorothy they killed the witch and she takes the
38:42
Speaker 2: broom and the wizards basically says thank you, but you
38:48
Speaker 2: can all go home. Now, you can all leave. I'm
38:51
Speaker 2: gonna I'm not gonna help you. Why are we being
38:57
Speaker 2: stonewalled on the files? This we don't know. Are there
39:03
Speaker 2: names of individuals that they're trying to protect what's in
39:07
Speaker 2: the files that's so sensitive and so secret that they
39:10
Speaker 2: can't share that material with the American public and with
39:15
Speaker 2: his victims, And of course there should be redactions of
39:18
Speaker 2: victims and information about the victims, and there's information about
39:24
Speaker 2: some third parties that maybe weren't involved with us. You
39:28
Speaker 2: have to remember that Jeffrey Epstein lived in two worlds.
39:32
Speaker 2: He lived in his criminality and then he also lived
39:35
Speaker 2: in this world of celebrities, scientists, barbered.
39:41
Speaker 3: School officials.
39:42
Speaker 2: Would he would hold symposiums and seminars and fly important
39:48
Speaker 2: people down to his island to talk about scientific things
39:53
Speaker 2: that he found fascinating. So he was blurring the.
39:58
Speaker 1: Whatever, and then they got twelve year old. Okay, so there.
40:03
Speaker 1: I got to tell you something, Barry. I love our
40:09
Speaker 1: country and I love deeply our justice system. It was
40:16
Speaker 1: my savior after my fiance was murdered, and I am
40:22
Speaker 1: loyal to our country regardless of who's in the White House.
40:27
Speaker 1: But I have to tell you I feel sick over
40:31
Speaker 1: this because our government, our own government that we elected,
40:38
Speaker 1: is hiding this evidence. And I think it precedes this administration.
40:45
Speaker 1: It was hidden before this. It goes all the way
40:47
Speaker 1: back that I know of, to a cover up in
40:50
Speaker 1: Palm Beach long before. In this White House administration, our
40:55
Speaker 1: government is covering up for the wealthy and privilege, and
41:01
Speaker 1: the little girls are being treated like trash, just like
41:07
Speaker 1: Elaine Maxwell called them.
41:10
Speaker 2: Yeah.
41:11
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed and sickened, but not disabled. What can we do,
41:19
Speaker 1: if anything, to get justice, Barry?
41:23
Speaker 2: Well, right now, we have to hope that these lawmakers
41:28
Speaker 2: who are bringing in individuals, and apparently they've been promised
41:35
Speaker 2: that the Justice Department is going to begin turning over
41:38
Speaker 2: the files. It's a small step, but at least someone
41:45
Speaker 2: is going to get their hands on some of this material.
41:48
Speaker 2: And they're promising that eventually the American public will see
41:53
Speaker 2: this and see the transcripts of the depositions that they're
41:58
Speaker 2: that they're taking small step, but it's something. But what's
42:04
Speaker 2: infuriating is that with one executive order or a signature,
42:10
Speaker 2: we could have the public could have all of these
42:14
Speaker 2: documents for the proper investigators to go through and determine
42:20
Speaker 2: are there individuals that need to be brought to justice.
42:23
Speaker 2: And until that happens, none of us can ever rest.
42:28
Speaker 2: We have to keep up pressure on the government, our
42:32
Speaker 2: government to do the right thing.
42:35
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to do the right thing until they're threatened financially,
42:39
Speaker 1: until they think they're going to lose their job, they're
42:42
Speaker 1: going to get sued. That's the only time, unless they're
42:47
Speaker 1: threatened with exposure, then they might come clean when it
42:50
Speaker 1: comes right down to the wire. I've learned so much
42:55
Speaker 1: from your essay in the New York Times and from
42:59
Speaker 1: your book The Spider Inside The Tangled web of Jeffrey
43:04
Speaker 1: Epstein and Gilain Maxwell Barry.
43:08
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Nancy.
43:10
Speaker 1: We remember an American hero Officer, Brian Hawkins, Lake CITYPD, Georgia,
43:17
Speaker 1: killed in the line of duty after serving twenty two
43:21
Speaker 1: years in LA, leaving behind his grieving wife, Renee. American
43:28
Speaker 1: hero Officer Brian Hawkins. Nancy Gray signing off, I'll see
43:34
Speaker 1: you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,