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Men’s cost of living in Ukraine | HBR Talk 381 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three point eighty one
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  Speaker 1: Men's Cost of Living in Ukraine. I'm your host, Hannah
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  Speaker 1: Wallen here with the personification of perceptivity, Mike Stevenson, nonsense annihilator.
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Brooks is going to be late. Oh and yes,
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  Speaker 1: Mike says hello. And in the background we got the
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  Speaker 1: doge in charge, Brian Martinez, making sure that everything goes
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  Speaker 1: the way that it's supposed to go. And tonight the
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  Speaker 1: stream is going to be a bit dark. But this
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  Speaker 1: is something people really need to be aware of, and
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  Speaker 1: it's something I've been wanting to try to get across
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  Speaker 1: and I've been looking for ways to get it across, and.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't had a stream that's a bit light.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. We have had some fun like making
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  Speaker 1: fun of of the the I can't think of what
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  Speaker 1: they were called, those female in cells that we're all
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  Speaker 1: about female dating strategists, did some shows on them.
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  Speaker 2: But it's all dark.
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  Speaker 1: It's all dark, different ways of being dark. This is
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  Speaker 1: dark dark. This is like if you're going to get
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  Speaker 1: pissed off, so tonight you know, be prepared. This is
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be rage fuel and it's something
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  Speaker 1: that I think everybody should be mad about so you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've I've been mad about it for years, and uh
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  Speaker 1: not just in regard to Ukraine. I will admit, I
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  Speaker 1: will admit the title is a little bit quick baity
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  Speaker 1: because this practice is it's not the same in every country.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little more heavily veiled in other countries, maybe
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  Speaker 1: a little more tactfully done in other countries, but it
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  Speaker 1: is what it is in every country. It's done in
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  Speaker 1: every nation. I just put Ukraine in the title because
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  Speaker 1: that's the nation that the website that we're using to
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  Speaker 1: discuss this is looking at, and that's that's who's featured there,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's also like one one very recent example,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a very blatant example. But Lauren's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a little late, so we'll it will probably just start
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  Speaker 1: out with with me and Mike, and then we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into it a little more once Lauren is here to
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  Speaker 1: to look at it. I may have to explain a
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  Speaker 1: second time what the thing is that the website features,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll get into all that.
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  Speaker 2: He's picking up some wine. I'm already ready here with
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  Speaker 2: my bottle of gin and you need it. I spent
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  Speaker 2: the last time was composing the end of my response
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  Speaker 2: to Pass Morgan and Tucker Carlson. It's it's it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be epic.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't watched it, so I need to
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  Speaker 1: watch that. I don't need to respond to it.
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  Speaker 2: I will fill you in. I'm calling it simpy much
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  Speaker 2: of the Titans.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, it was like that. Huh okay, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: is everywhere. That is everywhere, unfortunately, and so you have
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  Speaker 1: the left wing simp and the right wing simp. That's great. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, before we get into all the material we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna look at today and and I'm I apologize and
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, this is that's going to be an enraging show.
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  Speaker 1: So here we go diving in. First, I got to
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  Speaker 1: explain to you what the thing is that we are
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking about. This website was drawn to
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  Speaker 1: my attention by one of my mutuals on x and
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  Speaker 1: like I said, every every country does something like this,
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  Speaker 1: but but almost exclusively, it's done to men. Women are
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  Speaker 1: mostly not even required to do any kind of service,
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  Speaker 1: and when they are, they're not required to do combat
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  Speaker 1: role service. It's usually some sort of civil service in
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  Speaker 1: in their country, or they're they're required to do something
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  Speaker 1: like what the National Guard does when there's disaster, you know,
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  Speaker 1: relief that needs to happen, but not usually anything like
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  Speaker 1: being a combat expert or any other any other role
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  Speaker 1: in the military where they actually would have to go
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  Speaker 1: to the combat zones, especially much less the front lines
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  Speaker 1: where men are sent when they are drafted, when they
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  Speaker 1: are conscripted. So I hate when they do that. They
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  Speaker 1: degender the term as if this happens to everybody, right, No, no,
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  Speaker 1: it happens to men. So forcibly detaining draft age men
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  Speaker 1: by representatives of territorial recruitment centers Ukraine's military enlistment officers
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  Speaker 1: and transporting them to assembly points, often in unmarked vans,
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  Speaker 1: and it's they did this like, oh, it's an emergency,
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  Speaker 1: we need men to fight this war. So I want
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  Speaker 1: to remind you before we go any further into this,
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  Speaker 1: exactly how we got to this point. And part of
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  Speaker 1: that was during the Obama era. Remember when we did
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  Speaker 1: the show discussing the man who tried to shoot Trump
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  Speaker 1: from outside of his golf course, and you know, they
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  Speaker 1: they caught him and and he never even got a
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  Speaker 1: shot fired off at the president. But then you find
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  Speaker 1: out that he was recruiting people for the war in
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine and sending people from from the United States and such,
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  Speaker 1: and that in the past he has worked with I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what to call them, not necessarily ICE's fighters
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  Speaker 1: in al Qaeda, but radicals from Afghanistan to try to
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  Speaker 1: get them to recruit people UH to UH to fight
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  Speaker 1: in Ukraine. And that rabbit hole led to us discussing, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Ruth, Ryan Ruth or Routh. I never could figure out.
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  Speaker 1: I think I looked his name up at one point
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  Speaker 1: or somebody discussing, and I think it was Ruth. But
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  Speaker 1: r O U t H. He had some hand in
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  Speaker 1: previous activities with the CIA where he was recruiting ISIS
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  Speaker 1: fighters or other like al Qaeda or other radicals from
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  Speaker 1: Afghanistan and other Islamic countries to go in and genocide
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  Speaker 1: the Russian Russian heritage Ukrainians in Crimea who did not
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  Speaker 1: want to stay attached to Ukraine. During the Obama administration,
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  Speaker 1: the first time that there was there was basically an
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  Speaker 1: election to Russia didn't try to forcibly take Crimea at
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  Speaker 1: that point, it was that they voted to secede from Ukraine,
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  Speaker 1: and so it was. It was quite a convoluted thing.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, in searching this out, that's I learned
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  Speaker 1: that the United States federal government had contracted Islamic radicals
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  Speaker 1: to perpetrate a genocide in another country. So we people
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  Speaker 1: like I didn't vote for Obama, but people that we
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  Speaker 1: elected into office were involved in this. People that were
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  Speaker 1: appointed by people we elected into office were involved in this.
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  Speaker 1: So fast forward to the war. Russia invades after all
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  Speaker 1: of this happens, and what's happening now is kind of
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  Speaker 1: a direct result of that, right, is these people wanted
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  Speaker 1: to leave Ukraine become part of Russia. Their historic heritage
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  Speaker 1: was Russian. They were murdered, and the territory that they
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  Speaker 1: wanted to uh seed over to to Russia, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Russia wanted that, and so that that's what started the
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine War. And now we have these these recruiters going
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  Speaker 1: around in these buses. It's very much like random. It's random,
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  Speaker 1: like the White Feather movement was random. They see an
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  Speaker 1: adult male or a male who looks reasonably adult, might
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily be remember their their their age for being
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  Speaker 1: eligible for conscription goes up into your sixties. If you're
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  Speaker 1: a Ukrainian so uh and and it's all the way
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  Speaker 1: down into just graduated from high school and they may
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  Speaker 1: so teenagers can look like they're eligible, and so they are.
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  Speaker 1: They are wanting to grab whoever they can get their
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  Speaker 1: hands on, as long as they're mail. So it was
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  Speaker 1: initially perceived as an emergency measure done under martial law,
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  Speaker 1: which basically means you don't have any rights. You can't
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  Speaker 1: protest against this, you can't sue to stop it, you
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  Speaker 1: can't do anything about it. If they take you and go,
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  Speaker 1: you have no recourse, and your family has no recourse.
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  Speaker 1: And even if their rules for conscription had previously exempted
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  Speaker 1: certain groups of people, you might not be exempt even
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  Speaker 1: if you're in one of those groups. And they've continued
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  Speaker 1: to do this, and they've they've been very controversial there,
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  Speaker 1: of course, because obviously the citizens don't like it, which
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  Speaker 1: I can't blame them. So this site exists to track
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  Speaker 1: the violations taking place and the violence taking place in
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  Speaker 1: this process. And like I said earlier in the show,
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  Speaker 1: like this is one way one method by which conscription
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  Speaker 1: is violent. First, one of my first ancestors in this
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  Speaker 1: country came here at the age of fourteen after being
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  Speaker 1: either clonked on the head or taken while drunk, kidnapped,
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  Speaker 1: put on a navy ship and impressed into the British
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  Speaker 1: Navy to come over and fight the rebels and here
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  Speaker 1: in the colonies, and you know, he kind of said
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  Speaker 1: fuck that, noped out of there as soon as he
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  Speaker 1: got close enough to shore to jump ship and swim away,
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  Speaker 1: and he fled inland beyond the colonies into Ohio, which
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  Speaker 1: I think at that time the UK had designated it
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  Speaker 1: to be part of Canada. So I always say Canada
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  Speaker 1: used to be part of Ohio because I still cling
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  Speaker 1: to the idea that it's all Ohio, even though I
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  Speaker 1: learned the hard way last last Tuesday that it's not.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, that was that was how he got here,
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  Speaker 1: and then he was an old man before he got
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  Speaker 1: to go home, and you know, he didn't get to
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  Speaker 1: marry the girl that he was betrothed to at that time,
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  Speaker 1: and he didn't get to have the family that he
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  Speaker 1: was originally intending to have. He married here and raised
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  Speaker 1: a family here, and eventually that led to me. So
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  Speaker 1: this is something that you know, I've I've heard that
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  Speaker 1: story all my life. My family has opinions about conscription.
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  Speaker 1: So uh, there's a there was. If that hadn't happened,
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  Speaker 1: I might have been full blooded Irish instead of just
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  Speaker 1: like I think seven percent. So yeah, it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: thing that's done everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: If you if you didn't have the Irish in you,
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  Speaker 2: then you'd be a completely different person.
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  Speaker 3: This is.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I have well, my my name was taken out
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  Speaker 1: of the Bible.
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  Speaker 2: I keep thinking him is a Celtic name because it
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  Speaker 2: looks Celtic, but it's not as.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's Arabic. It's that the technically correct pronunciation
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  Speaker 1: is more like Hannah with a heart.
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  Speaker 2: Ache or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I am mister three three says I'm the tallest
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  Speaker 1: leper kun.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I feel like invoking the Boy
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  Speaker 2: who Cried Wolf. When it comes to all these wars,
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  Speaker 2: Korea turned out to be a bullshit proxy war that
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  Speaker 2: we didn't need to get involved in. So did Vietnam,
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  Speaker 2: and so did everything Israel has ever done, and probably
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  Speaker 2: to some degree, Iraq. And when I say we, I
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  Speaker 2: mean all of the forces that got involved in all
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  Speaker 2: these words, because it does include the UK. Every time
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  Speaker 2: I know, it's like the US.
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  Speaker 1: Is always get sucked in it because the.
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  Speaker 2: And so did many other countries, Like there were dozens
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  Speaker 2: of countries that got sucked into the Iraq war and
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  Speaker 2: all this ship And I'm like, at some point there's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a war that actually does matter to us.
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  Speaker 2: And at that point we're going to be like, no,
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  Speaker 2: We've been burned so many times.
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  Speaker 1: I hope it's never a war that we have to fight.
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  Speaker 1: I hope.
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  Speaker 2: If it is, it isn't your actual neighbors or your
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  Speaker 2: own country being invaded. It probably has nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with you, because it hasn't been.
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  Speaker 1: And you know Afghanistan and Afghanistan war that evolved out
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  Speaker 1: of proxy wars in Afghanistan between the US and the USSR.
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  Speaker 1: That that is fact. That is how al Qaeda was created.
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  Speaker 1: Came out of the fighting that took place during that time,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a lot of it was the two
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  Speaker 1: nations fighting over who was going to control that area
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  Speaker 1: and have their military bases in that area, whether that
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  Speaker 1: area was going to be capitalist or communist, and neither
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  Speaker 1: nation felt obligated to allow the people of the area
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  Speaker 1: the country the fighting was taking place, and to make
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  Speaker 1: that decision for themselves. So that's that that's our history. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, is there.
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  Speaker 2: About Venezuela or is that a different thing?
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  Speaker 1: No, you can, you can talk about that too.
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  Speaker 2: What the's going on there other than fucking drug smugglers?
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  Speaker 2: I think, I mean that's the oil being told.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a mess that that was created by
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  Speaker 1: the CIA and years ago. Pretty much every conflict that
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  Speaker 1: we have had since World War One is a mess
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  Speaker 1: that was created or its creation was influenced by the
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  Speaker 1: United States getting involved in World War One and the
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  Speaker 1: outcome of World War One, leading to ultimately to World
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  Speaker 1: War Two. So if it doesn't trace directly back to
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  Speaker 1: World War One, it traces to World War Two, which
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened without World War One, and the fight
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  Speaker 1: the Cold War between the so called Cold War, because
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  Speaker 1: the more I learned about the Cold War, the more
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  Speaker 1: I realized that it was a hot war, but the
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  Speaker 1: heat was undercover and dispersed across several nations, where the
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  Speaker 1: citizens of the two nations that were having the hot
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  Speaker 1: war with each other did not have to deal with
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  Speaker 1: it and therefore kept voting for the same politicians that
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  Speaker 1: kept supporting the same three letter agencies that were perpetuating
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  Speaker 1: all of that violence. It was quite covert, but it
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  Speaker 1: was not as cold at all as like gen xers
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  Speaker 1: grew up getting taught in school at all.
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  Speaker 2: All. You virtually virtue signals you want to invent a
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  Speaker 2: time machine and go back to back in time and
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  Speaker 2: kill Hitler. I just want to say to anyone who
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  Speaker 2: does invent a time machine, your best option would be
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  Speaker 2: killing Woodrow Wilson. Yes, much better than killing Hitler. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Lenin might be a better shot in general, but there
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  Speaker 2: are so many better targets than Hilly. If you killed
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  Speaker 2: Woodrow Wilson, everyone would be like Hitler who because yep?
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  Speaker 2: Because World Row one would have been resolved when enough
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  Speaker 2: of the men were fucking killed, and there never would
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  Speaker 2: have been a World War two, and there probably never
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  Speaker 2: would have been all these other proxy was and there
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  Speaker 2: would be no Israel, so everyone would be happy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep. So what's basically going on with this
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  Speaker 1: website is that tracking and uh, they're they're just wanting
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  Speaker 1: people to see this is what's happening. This is what's
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  Speaker 1: being done to men in Ukraine in the name of
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  Speaker 1: protecting the country, and and it is it is violent.
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  Speaker 1: So this started in twenty twenty three when they started,
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  Speaker 1: like the war started heating up in Ukraine and they
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  Speaker 1: needed more men. They needed more bodies basically, and so,
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  Speaker 1: according to human rights activists and legal experts, the methods
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  Speaker 1: employed by certain TCC units, having numerous instances, raised legitimate
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  Speaker 1: questions regarding their compliance with current legislation, which means that
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  Speaker 1: because of the emergency they were violating existing law, they
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  Speaker 1: just decided that law didn't matter. Precedents have been recorded
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  Speaker 1: where detentions occurred without prior verification of data in the
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  Speaker 1: government's mobile app for conscripts. So maybe they didn't get drafted,
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  Speaker 1: but they went and got them anyway, Or maybe they
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  Speaker 1: didn't confirm their age or their status, like do they
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  Speaker 1: have a disability that's going to make them useless in
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  Speaker 1: battle and therefore exempt. But yeah, they they just grabbed,
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  Speaker 1: Like they see a dude and he looks like he's
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  Speaker 1: a full fledged adult, and he's not got one foot
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  Speaker 1: in the grave already, you know, not too blind to
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  Speaker 1: to fire a gun and hit the enemy, or at
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  Speaker 1: least not hit his allies. They grab him and throw
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  Speaker 1: him in a van. The defining incident that gained widespread
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  Speaker 1: residents occurs occurred in March twenty twenty four, according to
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  Speaker 1: media reports, a resident of I believe it's just pronounced
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  Speaker 1: leave was detained at a checkpoint in the I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: butcher like all of these words in the zach zach
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  Speaker 1: are Hayshia region or Pattier region. After being held for
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  Speaker 1: several hours at the Makachivo TCC, he was reportedly transported
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  Speaker 1: to a border area where he was subsequently arrested by
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  Speaker 1: border guards on charges of attempting to illegal cross illegally
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  Speaker 1: across the border or to escape the country. While bussification
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  Speaker 1: is not a legal term, it serves as a marker
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  Speaker 1: of the public's reaction to the dissonance between the official
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  Speaker 1: rhetoric about civilized mobilization and the reality on the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Open source data suggests these methods have been most prevalent.
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  Speaker 1: And again these are like I'm not sure if I'm
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  Speaker 1: pronouncing these right, but zachar Adia or Patia Odessa and
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  Speaker 1: Chernivisti Chernivsty regions. I'm better at pronouncing Polish than they
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  Speaker 1: am at Ukrainian. It's really bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, normally I'm good at these, but I'm completely lost
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to fucking Slavic names.
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  Speaker 1: I should be better because I actually do have ancestry
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  Speaker 1: from there. That's not why I'm doing this though, But
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, so what what's being explained here basically is
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  Speaker 1: that this is the public's pissed off about. It has
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  Speaker 1: been very controversial. They're using emergency legal powers, so we
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  Speaker 1: have David low Boy says I should put extraneous whys
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  Speaker 1: between all my syllables and all get close. That sounds
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  Speaker 1: about right, But and and and they're they're doing it
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  Speaker 1: in a manner that is not just abusive of power
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  Speaker 1: and of the people. They're doing it too, but maybe illegal,
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  Speaker 1: and is involving people who may not even have been
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  Speaker 1: on the conscription list. Before we go on, we did
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  Speaker 1: get a super cow from Meredith g who said gave
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  Speaker 1: us five dollars and said HBr talked three eighty one.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: The thing that enrages me about Ukrainian is that this
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: proxy war, where the Russian strategy is designed to maximize Ukrainian.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Ukrainian casualties leadership had every ability to see what the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Russian strategy was, but tried to blind everyone with BS
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: propaganda to keep everyone engaged in this war. And yeah,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and men died because they tried to do that these
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: men never had a chance, and they're outnumbered, they're being
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: attacked by a much larger country. The only thing that's
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: keeping them afloat is whatever determination they have to live
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and whatever assistance they're getting from the United States. And
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: if I think if the United States wasn't pushing for
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: them to continue fighting, there would have been a surrender
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: much earlier. There would have been an end to things
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: much earlier, a compromise some sort. And to be honest,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: after learning that Obama perpetrated that genocide to force the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: issue back during his administration, like, I have no sympathy
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: for anyone who suggests that they shouldn't have been allowed
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to just do what they were going to do succeed
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: if they wanted to join Russia. And I know people
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: are like, well, what if Texas wanted to join Mexico
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: And the reality is that Texas fought a battle to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: not be part of Mexico Texas, It'd be like it'd
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: be like maybe a couple hundred years later or less
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: after rejoining Russia, if Crimeo went, no, we want to
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: be part of Ukraine again after Russia had great economic
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: success and Ukraine didn't. So your equivalence is false. It's
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous actually to make that comparison. But I've
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: had that thrown at me. They could have California, though
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't object to that. No, they can have it,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: well at least that they can have the government from California.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, Sonia is a pretty huge economy. It's like there's
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: there's only three countries in the world that have a
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: larger economy than California. You don't want to lose it
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: just letting them roll in, change the government and then
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: take it back over again and take.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: It back uh. In the meantime, though, like, honestly, the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: best thing that could happen is more people see this website,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: see the violence that really is inherent in conscription and
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: start hamstringing their government's efforts at making war with each
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: other over things that the people really aren't into enough
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to step up and say, yes, I'm willing to risk
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: my life for that, and some of the things that
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: people are objecting to, some of the legal issues with this,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: clearly they're not following, Like if you have conscription going
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: off and going on. In the United States, we have
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: a lottery system. Every man over the age of eighteen
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: has to sign up or at the age of eighteen
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: actually has to sign up for the and there's a
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: lottery system. Then when there's a war from which they
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: choose who will be conscripted, they send you a notice
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and you are expected to comply with that notice by
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: showing up. They don't go around randomly collecting people off
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: of the street. Now, if you don't show up, then
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: then they might send people after you. There's always that
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: threat of violence. You will be arrested, you will be
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: forcibly taken into the military, or you will be forcibly
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: put into imprisonment for refusing to to comply with with
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: your conscription. And similarly, if you don't sign up for
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the draft, there are penalties. You're not eligible for things
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: that that you know, women and girls are eligible for,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: even if they you know, aren't eligible to sign up,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: which would to date, we are not. We're not just exempt.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: They won't even allow it, like you're it's against the law.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: If I were to try to sign up, it's against
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the law. We're so exempt that it's verboten. And uh so, yeah,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: they're not following any kind of legal procedure. There's not
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: a certainty that you know allows people their their rights
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: to be respected under Article thirty five of the Constitution
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: of Ukraine. Uh, they're they're guaranteed freedom of movement. So
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: if going someplace means they might be grabbed, stuffed in
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a van and taken to a conscription center even though
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: they were not legally conscripted prior to that, that that
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: means that men can't go anywhere do anything. And then
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: it is the act of this is insane. And I
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: want you to picture this, right, You're just going about
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: your daily life. You're doing your normal thing. You go
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to do your job, you go home, your family has dinner,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you watch TV, you play video games, you maybe hang
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: out and talk about stuff, you read books, whatever. But
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: you got to get groceries sometime, and you go out
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: with your wife to get groceries and some guys show
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: up in a van, beat you into submission, drag you
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: into the van while your wife is screaming for them
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: to stop, and drag you off and you never see
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: your family again. Like it's a nightmare. It's an absolute nightmare.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: And from her end, you know, similarly, same background, normal
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: family life, and all of a sudden, because she asked
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: her husband to go out with her, to maybe keep
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: her company, carry some things whatever. Maybe they always did
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the shopping together. Now he's gone forever and she just
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: watched him get dragged off into a van by people
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: she didn't know after being informed that he's being conscripted,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and now she doesn't know if she's ever going to
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: see him again.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk about feminism even though it's only been
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: happening for one hundred years. We talk about romantic chivalry
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: even though it's only been happening for a thousand years.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Guess how long that shit's been going on all across
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the world. I mean, it's for as long as history
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: has been recorded and before.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's as long as the tribes have attacked each
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: other exactly before the mechanism involved any kind of wheeled vehicle,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Before the wheel was invented, men have been forced to
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: defend their tribe, their nation, their whatever system of government
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: they had, whether it was one guy that told everyone
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: what to do, or committee. And that's like basically just
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: the difference between the parliamentary system and the monarchy system.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: One guy tells everybody what to do, or a committee can.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's a good reason for that, Maybe the civilizations
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: that survived survived because they did that to men. Okay, maybe,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: but can we at least acknowledge that, Can we at
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: least acknowledge that the the I don't want to say oppression,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: but the obligations that have been put upon men completely
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: dwarf the debligations that have ever been put on women.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: It would be nice if, even in our modern age,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: we can acknowledge that these things have been happening for
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of years and nothing even remotely similar
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: has ever happened to women. If we could acknowledge that
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: so so that we don't act as though men have
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: always oppressed women and only in that direction forever. If
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: we could get over that fucking horseshit, that would be awesome.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be I mean, the entire history of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: men in masculinity has been a history of trying to
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: make things safer for their wives and children. And after
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: they accomplished that to a degree that women pretty much
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: had nothing to fear as long as they put men's
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: advice on how to comport themselves, women decided that they
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: were oppressed by that and enslaved and started protesting. It
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: really seems kind of dumb when you think about it.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, as a result of this, besides the men
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: who have been harmed or worse they've been, there have
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: been men killed as a result of this. There's some studies,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: including those in the Kiev International Institute of Sociology, indicate
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: that approximately forty three percent of men aged eighteen to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: sixty have begun limiting their social activity and avoiding public
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: places due to fear of wrongful detention, leading to a
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: lot of social social tension and atomization. So they're staying home,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: they're not going out, they're not doing things, they're not
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: spending time with each other. They're essentially living in solitary confinement.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: If they're if they have families living with them, they're fortunate.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Men who are single probably have already been taken. But yeah,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: now imagine you're one of the guys in the in
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the percentage of the population that has domestic violence. You're
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: in the you're either in the percentage that is one
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: way violence and seventy percent of which are female perpetrated,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: or you're in the percentage that is two way violence,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: which is still associated with more frequent violence from women,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: meaning women are initiating more and women are perpetrating uniquely
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: part of the time, and you can't go anywhere because
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: if you leave your house, you might get grabbed by
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: a gang of military hoodlums and shoved into a van
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: taken off to fight on the front lines of a
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: war you don't believe in. It's like I told you, guys,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: this was going to be an enraging show. So we're
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: not going to get into all of this, but the violations,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: this is what I was looking for. So there's been
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: documented cases of beatings during detention. There's been documented cases
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of traffic hazards that caused accidents that other people got
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: hurt in. They denied people right to lawyers after they've
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: been detained. They've failed to notify their families where they
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: were going and what their condition was, and they were
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: coerced to sign documents without proper explanation of legal consequences
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: or any kind of legal representation.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: So they're they're essentially getting pressed into service through violence, intimidation,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and isolation. And now we're going to we're going to
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: There are more statistics on this page, by the way,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and if you want to see this page, the link
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: to this page is in the low bar and all.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: You can look down here in the blue did it
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: just yet? Did it just switched over to Russian? I
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: don't want it in Russian? So you look at this
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: blue here, the blue text. This is when you stop
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: that A man have to switch this over to Chrome
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: home because I don't want to change my settings.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: In Brave, you're a Russian agent. You're being controlled by
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: the Russian holster or something.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I can't read Russian. But the page we were just on,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: it seems like every time I hover over a link,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: so I'll stop doing that. The page we were just
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: on is the one that says what is bussification? And
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: so that gives you an idea of what what we're
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: looking at when we look at this and as we
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: scroll down here, this is the part that that really
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: got me and made me decide that this needs, this
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: needs to be talked about. Right these men, what has
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: happened to them is beyond unconscionable. Like even even if
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: you leave room for conscription to have a point and
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: a purpose that that you say, well, governments have to
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: be able to conscript men to fight in wars. And
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: because reasons and your your reasons are things that you
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: believe in right, there is no point in beating somebody
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to death. They're not going to be able to do
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: anything for you after they're dead. Dead men generally do
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: not march, pick up guns, carry them, shoot the enemy
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: pilot any type of war vehicle, whether it's flying or
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: on the ground. They don't get on the computer and
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: direct drones. They don't do any of the support positions
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: that are in the military. There are no dead cooks
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: in the military. They're all alive. Once they're dead, they
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: stop working.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: And it's not like torture. I I've appointed my self
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Devil's advocate for torture, but as much as I'm against it,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: there is a reason for torture so that you can
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: get information out of people. But beating someone to death
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: is not going to get information. It's like torturing babies.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: This subject we keep coming back to, like, there's no
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: reason to torture babies ever, because they can't even fucking talk.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: And beating a man to death, especially about the part
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: of his body that talks, is there's no reason for
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: that other than blind revenge or just sadism.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: And definitely works as a means of enforcing compliance. If
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the order that you're trying to get them to comply
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: with is to stop, all right, stop molesting children. Well,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: if they're dead, they can't do that, right. But a
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: man who is doing normal adult citizen things, going to work,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: going home from work, and spending time with his family,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: going to local businesses and spending his money there, going
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: to his his religious institution and worshiping in his own
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: particular idiom, you know, like whatever. You can't force compliance
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: with conscription from him if you kill him in the process, right,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: you can't do that. So this is a pointless death there.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: The government doesn't benefit, the people don't benefit. The organization
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't benefit because they're not getting their numbers of people
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: sent to the front up by doing this, they're just
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: causing death. This man held at Sarny TCC died in
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the I believe this is n Maybe it's rivnya region.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: According to his mother, his name has vital in it.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Jeez viteally, I'm I'm gonna say this is suck. Kirk
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: was taken on Thursday, August twenty first, I hope I
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: did not butcher his name uh and and held in
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the building for three days. On August twenty third, his
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: relatives learned that he was in the morgue. That's all
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: they learned. They did not find out other information. And
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: there's there's twenty seven of these. Wow. Another another unpronounceable name. Yeah,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: a resident of the village of Dute horror call leon
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: no call yon yeah again. Detained by the TCC on
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: June seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Never made it to the front.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: On June twenty he received a traumatic brain injury from
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: TCC employees and was in a coma for seven weeks,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: after which he died on au this ninth, twenty twenty five.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: And this is this goes on. There's another one, another page.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Every time I click on this. Another man forcibly pulled
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: into a minibus near the entrance, died the next day.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Relatives found broken head bruises on the ribs, under the eye,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: and on the cheek during identification. Abducted and mobilized the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: fourteenth of June. That's the fourteenth of June twenty twenty five.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Died six seven five, so the sixth of July in
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: hospital from injuries after received at the training center. In
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the video, at the training center, he could not walk
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and the military joked calling him a lizard and said
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: that he fell on metal rods Jesus, thirty nine year
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: old man. Like in a lot of countries, you don't
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: get drafted after a certain age when the when wartime happens.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: They expand that the fact that happened in the US
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: when my dad was a senior in high school, for instance,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: he was not eligible for military service because his eyesight
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: was too bad. But during the worst part of the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Vietnam War, they would have takeaken him. His eyesight wouldn't
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: have kept him out. So yeah, this is another one
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: died at the TCC. His mother reported his abduction on
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: November fifth. This man had made had three hits in
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: the head with an unknown object. Police forced him to
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: write a refusal. I'm assuming because when you click on
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: these it doesn't tell the whole story. But write a
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: refusal for medical care. More likely than not. During this
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: man's detention, TCC officers beat him and forcibly pushed him
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: into a car. He survived the Russian occupation, but is
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: now he's got a sick heart, which basically means he's
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: got a heart condition that he didn't have before. But
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: this is the first survivor we're seven men, and this
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: is the first survivor we see, right. These are not
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: all of the men that have been detained. These are
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: some of the worst examples of what has happened. This
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: one delivered to the TCC. During the examination. Traces of
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: handcuffs and physical impact were found. Look at his face.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can get this picture to
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: be any bigger wow, but.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: This is what conscription is. This is conscription is violent.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Men are subjected to violence. Men are threatened with violence
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: to force them to comply with military conscription. And even
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: if you live in a country that thinks it's more
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: civilized than that and sends a little notice in the mail,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: come to this place to be conscripted, you know as
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: a man that if you don't obey the words on
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: that little piece of paper, that you are at risk
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: that law enforcement or the military is going to show
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: up at your door and take you and if you fight,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: if you try to not go with them, this type
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: of thing is what's going to happen. This is what
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: men face when men sign sign for a draft card,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: when men sign for any type of selective service style
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: shopping list that the government uses to decide which men
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: they're going to use as cannon fodder in war. They
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: are signing up knowing that if they don't comply when
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: they're called, somebody might do something similar to this to
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: them if they choose to disagree with the government as
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to whether or not that this war is appropriate for
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: drafting citizens and fight back. This is what they face,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: even in countries that are so civilized that they have
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: some alternative type of service if you're anti war, like
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: we have conscientious objection here in the US, and they'll
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: find some other type of service that you are obligated
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: to do. But you also have to go through a
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: process to prove to the government that you really hold
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: those convictions and you're not just afraid to go to war,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: which a conscientious objector is, generally speaking, somebody who for
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: religious reasons or other limited sets of moral reasons, objects
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: to being asked to kill people and will not do
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: so even if a gun is put in his hands
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and he is sent to war. And so they created
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: that alternative system because in terms of the military, the
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: military is going to consider these men useless because they
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: won't kill people for the military. And so during the
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Vietnam War, they had conscientious objectors doing all kinds of
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: different things. One of them was working in mental institutions
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: like Yipsilany in Michigan, and there were other people that
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: also went. They basically put them in with groups of
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: volunteers that were already going. My parents volunteered at Yipsilany
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: when they were in college, and so there were conscientious
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: objectors on their bus when they went up there.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: And probably part of me is thinking, is it okay
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: to be showing this on YouTube? Should be blurring this out?
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: But then I'm like, well, no, it's just uh, brutalism
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: against men. It's just it's just men with gods, women
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: love that. We should be all right, we should be fine.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: M yep. So when working in in an environment like
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: that isn't for everybody. Not everybody is emotionally equipped to
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: handle it. Not everybody's intellectually equipped to handle it, and
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: not everybody psychologically equipped to handle it. In problems, you know, yeah,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: people people that have mental health problems, they need a
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: particular type that's going to understand their medical needs and
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: there and still be able to understand their other human
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: needs and treat them like human beings without becoming afraid
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: or disgusted or weirded out or any of the myriad
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: of things that can happen. And when you run into
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: somebody whose symptoms include behavioral symptoms that make them do
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: things that you couldn't imagine thinking of doing, or that
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: you can't communicate with them, or other barriers to provide
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: and good care occur. So even even conscientious objectors get
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: some sort of treatment where they're like, they try to
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: punish them into complying with with conscription instead, you know,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: like it's going into that kind of Caregiving is something
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: that you do because you want to help people and
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: you're tough enough in various ways to do that, not
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: something that you do because the government makes you do it.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like when they make people work in
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: church environments because they're on food stamps. In a way,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: it's sort of trying to take people that are non
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: religious and harassed them into getting off of food stamps.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: So it's not necessarily bad, but it is still a
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: limitation on you. You still forced into some sort of compliance.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: But in this man's case, they didn't even have that option.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: This guy, one minute, he's walking down the street, and
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: the next minute he's being beaten for, you know, not
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: complying with conscription, whether he was conscripted or not, shoved
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: into a van and taken some place to be forced
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: into service. This is another one died two days died
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: a few days later after head injury. Detained by the TCC.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Died in a hospital a few days later after head surgery,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: which means he had an injury so bad that he
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: had his surgery for it. The sky being beaten in
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: a military unit. Died in hospital. I was two years
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: older than I am. I can't imagine at my age
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: trying to get in shape for military service. Another one
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: passed the medical commission. Died in a psychiatric hospital. Detained
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: by the TCC, beaten and found on the roadside. This
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: one blew my mind when I read it, and I
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: did go through and re read these before it just
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: why would they leave him on the roadside. And I
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: could see under you know, sort of understand if they
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: were if he was injured in the process of being
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: taken into custody, but you would think they would retain custody,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: or if they were going to abandon custody, they would
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: take him to a hospital. They literally just dumped him
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: out on the side of the road when they saw
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: that he wasn't going to be useful to them. As
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: of September two, he was in intensive care and nothing
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: else is reporting reported on him. Right. Another forty nine
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: years old brought unconscious from TCC to the hospital where
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: he died. This one died from a head injury after
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: he was taken by the TCC to h They have
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: various territorial centers in various cities, so he was taken
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: to a particular territorial center for the selection and social support.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I guess social support means getting beaten in the head.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't just skip guy today. Okay, we don't even
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: have a picture here. Detained by the TCC died the
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: next day. His sister reported the abduction in death detained
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: by the TCC, and then disappeared. Family did not find
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: him again. The military lost this man in the process
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: of pressing him into service. They just misplaced him. Nobody
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: knows where he is. That was in twenty twenty three,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: so it's been a while.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: They know where the women are. By the way, yep,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I just I can't help remembering several articles by I
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: don't know it was UN women or the likes of
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: UN women who keep giving us these articles about how
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Ukrainian women are the true victims of what they do
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: the Hillary Clinton, But the Ukrainian women are, you know,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: refugees in various other countries, like living it up in
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: the hotels or fucking whatever, and we're only hearing about
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: all these stories he run on a patch of life streams. Well, well,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: the general public is being told about how war is
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: hell for women. I mean, while this shit this ship's
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: going on, and yeah, it's it's not even about men
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: being conscripted. It's it's about the fucking Ukrainian government going
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: around beating the ship out of men for no reason
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: and leaving them for dead for no reason. Like never
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: mind war as hell, this isn't even war. This is
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: this is just the government using war as an excuse
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: to torture and beat men to death. Like wars not
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: the problem. I'm going to go ahead and say, myssngery
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: is the problem. It kind of looks like it, doesn't it.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these men are straight up murdered. There is no
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: there's no excusing this none, Like I don't even care
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: that they use the word emergency There is no such
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: thing as an emergency that merits rounding men up and
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: beating them to death in the hopes that some of
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: them will still be useful enough after you have beaten
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: them to actually use them in your war. Because you're
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: you're essentially creating more war casualties before you even send
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: the men out, and the men you're sending out are
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: also going to become war casualties. This is insane. This
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: is when people.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: Ran around wearing.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Like baby blue and piss yellow in support of Ukraine.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: This is what they were supporting. Man who can't even
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: be pictured. We don't even have a picture of him,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: was taken by the military and then found hanged on
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: the TCC. Premises like he didn't go to war, he
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: didn't do anything that the military could say, gosh, we
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: really benefited from grabbing this guy on the street and
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: dragging him to the TCC. No, he died by what
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: might have been a suicide or what might have been
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: an execution, So either they drove him to suicide or
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: they just directly killed him themselves. This one was transferred
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: to military units. Found dead on twenty two, ten twenty
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: four so October twenty second, last year. This is a
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: picture of him in his coffin. This is if I yeah,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: this is the one that this just threw me, like
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: there were the coffin pictures like it's I don't I
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: don't even know how to describe how that just hits.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Like this is somebody's son, and probably somebody's brother, probably
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: could be somebody's dad, somebody's friend, and this is, uh,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: this is where he is now. He gets grabbed off
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: the street when he's out with a family member or
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: out doing something for his family, and the next time
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: they see him in this coffin.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: At least it looks peaceful. It's a dark thing to say,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I know, but yeah, think of all the images we're
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: not being shown. Even we even get shown the pictures
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: of the men after their heads have been stitched up
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: and stuff. But like this man, like this man. But
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: at least it is at least we didn't have to
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: see what it looked like before he was stitched up.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: And at least we didn't have to look at all
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: the men who did not have images that could be shown,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: and we can think are lucky stars we didn't have
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: to look at those images. You weren't wrong kind of
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: this is fucking darker. It's is much darker than we
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: usually get.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I've had to go through and desensitize myself to this
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: so that I could talk to you guys about it
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: without crying all these men. Like I said at the beginning,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: the first thing that went through my mind was that image.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: You just go about your business, You go out to
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: do something normal that you would do any other day,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, a van full of men
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: grab you off the street and shove you into the van,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: and you never see your family again. You're go off
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: to be beaten to death or forced into a war
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: where you might be killed, and it just blows my mind.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I can't. I've always been angry about conscription. I've always
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: felt that it was slavery. I've always felt that it
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: was wrong, and I've always felt that people should be
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: much more outraged by it than they are. But seeing
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: it like this just kills me inside. These are human
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: beings that are being treated this way. This is human
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: beings are being stolen off the street and beaten to
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: death for refusing to go face death so that a
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: government can retain territory that the people living in it
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: didn't want the government to retain.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: And presumably this is this only this can only possibly
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: work as a deterrent, so that I mean, so that
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: they can show other men who might wish to abstain
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: from prescription, So that they can show these photos to
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: these men and say this is what we're going to
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: do to you if you don't join the army the fight.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Is that what they're doing or are they just not
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: bothering to because then it wouldn't act as a deterrent.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I get the feeling that they're just they're just going
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: from man to man, not even showing them these photos
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: as incentive. They're just going join the army. Oh you're
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: not going to join the army. Bosh, We're gonna fuck
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: your face up and kill you like it. That's probably
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: what's going on. It's probably that level of madness.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Well, there there is a fact that people in Ukraine
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: know this is happening. It is a known factor for
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: men that if they go places and do things, this
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: can happen to them. And like like we said earlier,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: it's it's caused forty three percent of them to limit
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: their movement, limit their movement around. So they're they're clearly
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: reacting to it. They're reacting by trying to hide from it.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: I you imagine being afraid to go outside because of
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: this when you are supposed to be your family's breadwinner.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: And then if you do manage to hide long enough,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: they come and get you from your house. This man
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: was convicted as a draft evader and was killed for
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: it on August seventeenth of last year. So they executed
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: him for evading the draft. There's another man thirty two
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: years old died from epilepsy, meaning he shouldn't have been
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: there in the first place because he had a condition
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: that usually the military doesn't want you if you have
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: that condition, and they took him. And when people die
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: from epilepsy, it's usually something happens to them during a seizure.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: This one got me to I'm like, the minute I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: saw his picture in his smile, I knew this is
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: not somebody that should have been picked up, even if
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: they weren't doing this and they were just taking them
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: in for processing and such. This guy was twenty six
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: years old, childhood disabled, and I believe I know what
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: type of disability died in TCC.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: We already heard that stuff about how they were even
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: taking down ciner or just retired men. He doesn't look there,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: he downs, But I mean, it could it could be
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: anything what you're thinking it is.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking that he has some degree of intellectual disability
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: because you can be here. He's not in a wheelchair,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: he's standing, and he's got there's a particular a childlike
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: smile and that you don't usually see in an adult.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: But uh, and it has that little open mouth and
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: that you know, upturned. There's some adults that smile like that,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: but not as many. And it's just this is one
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: that really hit too, because it wasn't too long ago.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: I had one of one of the people in my
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: care was talking to his mom, and Uh, I learned that, yeah,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: she had to deal with selective service and and uh,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: being so intellectually disabled that you need someone else to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: take care of you during your entire life doesn't mean
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: that you don't have to sign up for selective service
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: in the United States. Being in a wheelchair doesn't mean
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: that you don't have to sign up for selective service
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: in the United States. Missing a limb doesn't mean that
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: you don't have to sign up for selective service in
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: the United States. You still have to sign up, they
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: will determine if they draft you whether they can use
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: you or not. And I'm wording that that way on purpose,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: because it's in that instance being incapable, being deemed incapable
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: of consenting to sign a contract on your own, or
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: get married or have sex with another person consensually. Being
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: too intellectually disabled to do those things does not stop
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: you from having to sign up for selective service, but
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: being a perfectly able bodied, able minded, mentally healthy female does.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: And so governments get away with doing shit like this,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: specifically because they are not doing it to women. Another
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: forty seven year old disappeared from military unit, found dead
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: with signs of violence, kidney failure due to injuries received
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: in the TC see numerous bruises on his body, frost
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: bitten limbs, and bilateral pneumonia, which means they beat the
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: hell out of him and then shoved him out in
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: the cold or kept him in a cold room. Frost
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: bitten only happens when you're exposed to extreme cold, or
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: you're exposed to severe cold for a long time, and
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: if pneumonia happens as a result, it means that you
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: were in an environment where you were breathing extreme cold
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: cold or you were in cold water. What the hell
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: they did to this man? Kidney failure due to injuries
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: usually means getting beaten from behind as a student on
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: his way to a village near the border. The authorities
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: hit his death for two weeks. This one died in
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: the hospital from injuries received at the TCC. This one
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: was pulled out of a car and brutally beaten by
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: the TCC. We're going to look at his face because
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: it's particularly bad too. Fracture of the medial and lower
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: walls of the right orbit. That's the eye socket, fracture,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: the nosebones. This is This is not a young man.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: This man has more gray hair than I do. Probably
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: older than me.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: A couple of entries ago, those a forty seven year
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: old guy like.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: This guy's probably older fifties, yeah, orse, early sixties.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: This guy is.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Primarily qualified as intentional light bodily injury. This is this
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: brutally beaten man, light bodily injury. He's got blood in
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: his eyes. That's that's blood in his conjunctiva.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: And it's lasted longer than the rest of his bruises.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: He presumably his face was raw purple, like shortly afterwards,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: and this is this is him like months later, ill
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: with blood in his eye.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: These are old bruises.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably blind in at least one eye close to it.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: It's a distinct possibility with injuries like that. I mean again,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: this is for nothing, because once they do stuff like
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: this to him and he's not gonna be able to serve.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: They're not doing this to get him to serve at
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: this point, They're doing it to punish him for refusing.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: And this is what we were paying for. By the way,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: I have to oh this.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I lost so.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Many friends over the feminism thing, and then I lost
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: a bunch of more friends over the COVID thing, and
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: then the view that we had left when the fucking
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Ukraine things started, Like some of them were like, no,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: we we have to send a tax money to the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: effort in Ukraine. This time, we're not getting it wrong.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: This time, We're not just following a bunch of lies
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: that are gonna cripple people and kill them and exact
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: unhold indescribable fucking pain on people. And I hope some
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: of those people are watching this right now because I
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: don't want to see this. But I want you to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: see this, like the few of you who somehow still
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: thought that our government was telling the truth when they
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: told you, no, we have to send these billions to
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Ukraine because they're doing good things. This is what they
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: were doing, ladies and gentlemen, this is what they were
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: spending that money on. They were giving it to I
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: don't want to say Nazis, with some of them were
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: giving it to these fucking roving bands of thugs who
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: were going around beating the shit and killing pletely innocent
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: men for not signing up for death. Are any of
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: you watching? Are any of you listening? Can any of
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: you respond to me? Can any of you carry on
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: with this narrative that know, we had to do this
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: because otherwise Russia would have done what they did in
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: the end anyway, Yeah, yeah, no.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Richard Bierre gave us five dollars and said, I wonder why,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: or wonder how many of these conscripts happen to be
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: ethnically Russian and are scene as untrustworthy or a potential
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: enemy of Ukraine, and therefore they die. Then it is
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: one less enemy to fight. Eventually, the recruiters can be
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: sent to the front lines, where their brutality will actually
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: be useful, and that's a distinct possibility. There's a significant
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: percentage of the Ukrainian population that is ethnically Russian, so yeah,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: it's very, very possible. And in fact, the the voters
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: in Crimea that voted to secede from Ukraine and join
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Russia during the Obama administration, who were then murdered by
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: by thugs hired by Obama's c I A, uh, they
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: they were ethnically Russian, so and then you you they
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: weren't necessarily killed because of their ethnicity, but in a
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: way they were right. They were killed because they wanted
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: to return to Russia. Obviously the USSR wasn't going to
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: come back, but their choice, right, And then that that happened.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: So this is a video of how this kidnapping happens.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: And I don't I don't know if I can get this.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Here we go smaller, here, I guess those are my
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: two choices. You don't see the whole video, or you
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: see it small We'll go back to because you can
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: see this up close. They literally have a hold of
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: this man and are pulling on him and forcefully engaging
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: with him, detaining him. And I don't know if this
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: is a neighbor or a partner, because I can't understand
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: the language being used. But this site has so many
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: of these videos. It's just video after video after video
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: of men being grabbed off the street forced into cars. Uh.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: And some of them you can see the women trying
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: to fight stop the abduction. There's one that's just arguing
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: I wish American women would stand up that at least
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: that much for their men. Yeah, by the way, but
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: you know, and this is over and over again, people
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: being literally like this is just they're downtown, they're out shopping,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: they're out at night. One guy was being taken from
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: his house and you can see it from a distance.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: This guy's being taken off the street. This guy's they're
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: chasing a man down. Oh my god, no one's not
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: gonna play for me. As some of these are bigger
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: than they seem. If I can get a better sized
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: view of it, and they're just grabbing him and shoving
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: him into a van as he fights to not go.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: And the men that we saw pictures of that were
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: beaten were taken like this.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: One has to wonder if you know the men who
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: are rounding these other men up if the same thing
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: didn't happen to them, you know, and they were just
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: you know, deprogrammed and desensitized to what happened to them,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: or they're.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Doing this so they don't have to go to the
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: front lines themselves, right exactly.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: It happens generationally. Remember Cony twenty twelve. I guess everyone
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: was so up in arms that these children, i mean
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: can scripted into these pointless wars by being abducted. Yeah, well, yeah,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: that is how war works. That's how it happens generationally,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: these so called child soldiers and so called it's just
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: in some countries. It happens when they're children. In some countries.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: It it happens to happen whenever the fucking Western military
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: industrial complex is ready and willing to do it to
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: your people. And even if they're forty seven, even if
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: they're in their sixties, and even if holy shit, it
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: just occurred to me, how young are they doing this
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: to Ukrainian boys.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: They're grabbing people based on appearance, If they appear to
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: be old enough to be conscripted, they're taking them. I
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: went to school with boys whose appearance range from looking
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: two or three years younger than they really were to
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: up to ten years older than they really were. One
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: of my classmates we started out together in the seventh
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: grade or in the eighth grade. Both of us at
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the school year were five foot six,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: and at the end of the school year I was
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: five foot seven and he was six feet tall. He
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: was six foot four when he graduated high school, and
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: he looked like a young man, like military age young
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: man by the time he was fourteen, so they would
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: have grabbed him. And it looks like from what we read,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: they were not verifying age very well, so he could
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: have as an eighth grader, been sent to war, grabbed
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: off the street and sent to her. Imagine sending your
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: kid to the store, like go get go, get a
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: little for bread and a gallon of milk, and you
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: just never see him again, and they don't tell you
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: what happened. He's just gone, and you know that this
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: might have happened to him, but nobody will tell you.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: It's horrible and this is this is the the real
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: nature of conscription is forcing men against their will, not
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: caring whether you get men who are maybe over the
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: age or under the age of conscription. As long as
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: they look the right age. They're grabbing people on the
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: street based on looks, and if they're not verifying that
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: they are of age, as we saw in the text
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: earlier in the show, they are not going through a
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: vetting process of verification process when they do this, then
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: it is very possible that they could have sent kids
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: that young that they just looked like adults to them.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: My childhood friend, when he graduated from high school, he
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: did join the Marines, but that was as an adult
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: and it was his choice. He wasn't grabbed off the
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: street and shoved into a van and sent into war
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: without any representation by an attorney or any other vetting
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: of him or anything. He went through a process they
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: had to confirm that he was fit to serve and everything.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: But still not something you know, I would recommend necessarily
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: to young men, but some will. If you get into
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: arguments with people online about men's issues and feminist issues
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: and you have feminists telling you that conscription is nothing,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: you remember this website bussification dot org. Show them this
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: is what conscription is, and you can show them this
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: episode and my explanation. The reason I'm showing this this
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: is something that people would call an extreme version, right,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: But what's the difference really between being kidnapped and sent
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: to a center like that where you're roffed up and
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: maybe beaten to death, or being kidnapped and sent to
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: a military prison where you're roffed up and maybe beaten
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: to death. You're still roffed up, kidnapped, roffed up, and
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: beaten to death. The result is the same. And of course,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: what's the difference between being grabbed off the street like
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: that and sent to war and being forced to comply
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: with a draft notice. You're still being taken against your will,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: and the threat is that they will come and get
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: you if you don't comply. Conscription is violent. And when
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: women argue that it's no big deal, and you know,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: men are suited for it and women aren't, and therefore
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: it's it's not inequality, it's it's biology and blah blah blah,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: what they're essentially arguing is that it's okay to do
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: this to you against your will because you have greater
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: upper body strength than women do. David Levoy has it
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: quite right. The difference is the false moral theories of statism.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: We're we're doing it for the good of the the society, right,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: we're doing it for your country. And yeah, war is violent,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: conscription is violent. Having to sign up for the draft
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: is the first stage of conscription, just the same as
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: writing your shopping list is the first stage of going
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: to the store. These guys didn't write a list. They
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: they just went in and started grabbing people men and
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: probably some boys, contrary to people uh citing what the
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: law is, because they ignored the law. And this this
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: goes on and on, like these videos, there are so
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: many of them. It just it just keeps going and going,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: and like when it gets to the bottom, when the
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: the little scroll bar gets to the bottom, it jumps
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: back up because there are more videos and they're they're
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: they're just everywhere. Some of them are from the same day.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: There's another he's trying to stop them. They have beaten
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: this guy already. He's on the ground. You can see
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: right there he is on the ground. I mean, this
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: is trying to drag a guy. They've literally picked him
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: up off the ground.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: It's just, you.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Know, it is it is a heartbreaking situation like and
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: this is this is just from what the man in
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: there how to deal with Oh, my reason for showing
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: this no go ahead.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: This is what's going to happen to us in the
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: UK and in the rest of northwest Europe. We're not
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: We're not going to get conscripted into a battle against
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: the countries that are actually invading us. And there's fucking
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: hundreds of them. Well there's only two hundred countries, but
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: there's fucking dozens of countries that are invading us. And
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: we're not going to get conscripted two perhaps stand at
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: the borders of our country and and and divert the
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: fucking boats. We're not. We're not going to get conscripted
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: to send away the people who are actually stabbing us
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: and raping us. We're gonna we're gonna get what these
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: Ukrainian men got. We're going to be We're just going
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: to have thugs roaming across the country beating the ship
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: out of us because Russia. Yeah, it's it's this revelation
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: has only just occurred to me, Like we we thought
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: the worst thing that could happen was was these various
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: foreigners roaming across the country and raping our women. Heaven's Tabetsy,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: But yeah, this is going to come to us, This
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: this fucking threat narrative against Russia is going to result
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: in us just getting the ship beaten out of us
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: in the street by our own government and the thugs
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: and goons that have been employed to beat the ship
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: out of us while our women are getting rap I
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: I half laugh there because it's all I can do.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Good Lord, That's that's what's going to happen. Sorry to
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: carry on with what you are? We going to say?
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: No, I, You're right. This is all across Europe. Uh
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: men are under under risk of this because this the
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: the mass migration is happening, the illegal mass migration is
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: happening all across Europe everywhere that the government is helping
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: another country invade your nation quietly and slowly, under under
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: cover of being labeled something that they're not when they
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: come in. That's it won't be conscription per se. It
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: won't won't be the military coming to you and saying
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: we need you to fight and you're going to do it.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: It'll be the violence coming to you. And the only
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: way to deal with it is going to be to
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: roll over or fight back. This man, mister three oh three,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: he said he's begging for help. That was that the
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: voice that you just heard in this video. Let me
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: see if I can go back to that's a man
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: begging for help because he's being kidnapped by the military
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: to be forced into war. Though, the reason that I'm
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: showing you this is because I want you to be mad.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: I want you to be enraged. I want you to
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: consider this. Think about this when you are in debate
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: on social media, when you are listening to people talk
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: about it on television, when you're voting for politicians, when
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: you're hearing the news of how the Supreme Court is
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: handling the National Coalition for Meend's lawsuit to degender the
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: in the hopes that if women are getting drafted, that
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: the draft will simply become politically inexpedient for the government
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: and they'll eliminate it. When you're looking at who you
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: think is okay to put in a position of responsibility
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: for your country, that you're going to afford authority to
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: in order to meet those responsibilities, knowing that they could
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: initiate a war and that they could make decisions that
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: lead to conscription in your country, think about that man.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: Think about the man with the stitches, Think about the
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: man in the coffin, Think about the man who disappeared
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: about the fact that there were boys abducted in this
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: manner who probably weren't old enough to go into the
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: military and got conscripted anyway, men who were so old
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: that they had far more salt than pepper in their hair,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: men who were beaten for resisting conscription, and let that
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: fuel your responses, not to the degree that you become
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: incoherent or incapable of arguing from rage rather than from logic,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: but to the degree that you have a fire lit
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: under your butt, which by the way, is kind of
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: a Missanderic reference in and of itself if you know
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: what it's from. But get inspired to not back down,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: to recognize that it is messandric to argue that having
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: to sign up and agree that you could be conscripted
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: is okay. It's not. Having to sign up and agree
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: that you can be conscripted is not okay. Having to
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: sign up when women don't have to sign up is
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: not okay. Being told that you're a coward who wouldn't
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: defend your country because you won't sign a piece of
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: paper that says your government can send you anywhere in
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: the world to fight any war in the world for
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: any reason. They decide against your will is unreasonable. Being
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: told that you're a coward who doesn't care about your
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: friends and neighbors because you disagree that your government should
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: impose conscription when you don't agree with what they're doing
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: like that, that's bullshit. Nobody with good intentions tells you
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: that don't let people guilt trip, don't let people mott
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: bailey you into agreeing to this. This needs to be
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: something that goes through the population like wildfire. Every person
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: you know should be pissed off about this. Find the
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: link in the low bar and show people this site.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: This is what conscription looks like when a nation decides
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: that it's desperate for cannon fodder. This is what conscription
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: looks like. This is how my first ancestor on my
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: dad's side of the family was brought to America. This
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: is what he was lucky to survive to get here
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: during a time period when if he had gotten any
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: kind of infection in anyone as one of the cuts
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: and bruises, he would have died from sepsis. So this
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: is this is what people need to see.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: And bear in mind. Russia just wanted the crime, the
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: CRIMEA and the Donbass region. They just wanted those areas
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: of southeast Ukraine that were already populated by ethnic Russians,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: Like they would have been happy getting that without any casualties. Yeah,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: these men experienced this not because of Russia, but because
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: of the billions that were pumped into their country by US,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: by the UK in the US and and and the
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: tax taxes that were that were stolen from US to
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: fund this barbarism. Like I'm not talking surrender, but if
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: if there was some kind of compromise reached three years ago,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: four years ago, whatever it was, this whole thing could
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: have been spared. Like to some degree, this was Russia's fault,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: and I don't want to talk percentages, but to the
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: to an unspeakably large degree, this this was the fault
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: of our own governments. They funded this, they they they
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: made this happen.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: There's another thing that well, and.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: They didn't achieve anything. By the way, Russia is still
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: going to take over Crimea and the Dunbass and all that.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: All it achieved was the fucking horror that we witnessed
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: in this show. That's all it did.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm not even showing you the war. I'm just
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: showing you what the Russian government did to get men
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: to go to war who didn't want to. There's another
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: thing to consider here, though, Russia didn't do this during
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: the first Trump administration. Right, they waited until there was
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: a weakling in office. They waited until there was a
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: senile old man who had you know, two brain cells
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: left in his head and they were waving goodbye to
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: each other before they invaded.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: And he happened to have close ties to the Ukraine
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: mm hmm by.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Way, who's the corruption had had a major effect, and
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: he was vice president during the administration. He was part
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: of the administration that genocided Russian nationals in Crimea. So
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: you know, none of this, this all comes full circle.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: None of this is independent of the rest of it.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: You know, if if the Ukrainian government had not been
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: able to force this on men, then they would not
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: have affected so many of them that they'd have been.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: It would have been over. The result would have been
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: little or no difference, aside from the fact that a
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: lot of men are dead trying to defend against it.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Told you at the beginning that this would be rage bait.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: But you've got to understand when we're talking about conscription
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: and calling. When I call conscription violence, this is this
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about. Force is always the ultimate
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: threat that is used to enforce it.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: And this is all going to get memory hold the
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: way Yep, the fucking the mass media is not going
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: to show anyone this. God No, it's all going to
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: fall into the memory hold like that. There's similar losses
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: in every fucking proxy war that that that we were
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: snuck into with all these fucking lies, And the same
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: thing will happen in the next war and the war
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: after that, and every war. It's going to keep it's
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: going to keep happening because these wars are driven by
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: missionry and they are only allowed to happen because of
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: missonry because they're not even was They're just exercises in
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: throwing men into the meat grinder just to appease the
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: stadism of it's not even it's not even to do
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: with territories. Like I said, the territories were already going
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: to change. They were already bound to change. Yeah, people
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: can can steal money from taxpayers, so they could beat
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: the shit out of men and kill them. They'll do
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: it because that's what they get off on. That's all
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: they get off on well.
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  Speaker 5: And also it's the avoidance of the truth of the situation, right,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: you know, if you convince people that there is some
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: kind of altruistic reason that we're doing these things, then
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: that's all they'll believe. And if they never see the
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: actual horrors of what war actually looks like, you know,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: then of course it's just it's it's pick a side.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: I'm on team good. I'm on team more good.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 5: Right, because I'm more morally good than these guys.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: And they're always the good guys to somebody and the
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: bad guys to somebody. And it's never that black and
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: white in real.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: Life, ever, ever, ever.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 5: And what happens in the wake of all that is
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: the the files of bodies that lay in waste, right,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: which are typically the men because you don't see them
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: dragging these women into these vans. No, that's not going
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: to happen. It's the men that essentially get.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: Our our are are.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: The the casualties of war.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Yep, stay up. Every single one of those men is
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: another man's son. Mm hmm. You know, from from my perspective,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: every every single one of those men is some mother's
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: son too. Yeah, you know, I like I if somebody
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: did that to my son, I don't think I want
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: to live anymore.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 4: Or or there would be hell fire.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah down. I don't know if I could live with
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: being unable to stop it yet.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: No, I would absolutely, I would tear down the walls.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: There would be bodies.
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  Speaker 5: Underneath me if they did something like that to my husband,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: or my son, or my brother even or my nephew.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: And this is this is why, like I said, people
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: need to see what it really means to use force,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: to impose compliance on men, to send them to war
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: when they don't believe in that war and they don't
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: want to fight in it. And again, I know there's
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: going to be people in the comments here you're mischaracterizing
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: the Ukrainian war blah blah blah. No, there's a lot
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: of people that have been brainwashed into thinking that this
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: was some black and white heroism, you know, little country
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: against a big country. The Kamala Harris version of the
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Russia Ukrainian conflict, and it is definitely significantly more complicated,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: just just the fact that at one point there was
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: a vote and a portion of Ukraine literally voted to
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: secede and join Russia without being under military threat. That
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: tells you right there, it's not as our government here
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: in the United States and our military here, or our
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: military our media here in the United States has been
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: telling you. The line that you've been getting is bullshit.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: Our nation, the United States, is guilty of a genocide.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: We may not have sent our soldiers to do it,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: but having the CIA pay thugs from some other country
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: to go in and do it isn't any better. It's
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: still a genocide. And it's still our tax dollars that
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: funded that. It's still our politicians that an initiated that.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: That was the Obama administration. HM. And I don't even
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: remember how many people I read died in that.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: But right now that but right now they're pissed off
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: about a boat full of Venezuelan poison traffickers getting killed
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: so that they don't poison a million Americans. That's far
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: more important than the trifling ship we've been talking about
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: in this show.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: Good Lord, you know, I don't want us to be
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: bombing anybody. I don't want us to send men and
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: boys to shoot anybody. I want any of that. The
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: best way to fight the drug war is to compete
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: with it in a way that the cartels can't win.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: If people really want to have that stuff, then fine,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: manufacture it and sell it in the United States, undercut
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: them and make it so difficult for them to compete
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: that they cease to try, and then then tax the
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: shit out of it and designate every red scent of
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: those taxes to go into a program to treat addicts
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: so that they will be able to overcome their addiction.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, well, making things illegal has never stopped anyone
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: from getting those things if they want them.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so, and that would paying for their
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: treatment upfront, and when they're ready to go get it,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: they've paid for it in taxes.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and you know, I don't know
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 5: how because anytime you put something like that into the
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: government's hands, they will find a way to.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just usurp it. Like so, you know, I.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: Love Weaed, I love Weat. Say what you want to
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: say about me. I don't care. I fucking love weed.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: I will never ever buy weed from a dispensary that
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: is regulated by the government, because they are what they
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: are doing is is you know, modifying the product. And
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: it's oh no, it is what's happening. And I just
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 5: don't trust the government in anything. I don't trust the
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 5: government with my food.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: You know, So the FDA hasn't been done a very
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: good job of being honest about your food.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: No, no, I mean.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: That you don't. Just the fact though, that most of
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: the expense associated with drugs, illegal drugs in the United
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: States is created by the illegality, right correct.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: In particular, like the fact that there there's fentanyl in
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: so many drugs is because they're illegal. It's because people
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: have to resort to illegal drugs, and so many of
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: those illegal drugs have been laced with fentanyl for reasons
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: I can't quite fathom. I guess it's because they get
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: them from cartels and somewhere along the lines, those cartels
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: has just been padding them out. We're not even padding
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: them out because fentanyls are very tiny drug. It doesn't
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: pad them out at all. It just I don't know,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: there's there's some nefariousness going on. But if people could
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: have their drugs tested for whatever else is in them,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: which they don't do when they're getting it illegally, because
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: these people are desperate for drugs.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: Well, and also where could you go to get the
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: testing done? Well, you can get an illegal substance, you
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: get illegal.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: Like off the internet and stuff. There's nothing illegal about
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: test kits. I mean, I'm sure they track you, but
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: they you.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Know, well they can you test the drugs with a
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: test kit. Yes, Okay, I was gonna say, because I
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: think most people probably don't know that.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: No, and they don't and they don't care and they
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: can't afford it.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if it was, if it was legal, then
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: it'd be a different story, you know, there'd.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: Be just like if it was legal, right, just like.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: The legalization of prostitution. It's with prostitutions illegal, somebody that's
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: forced into it may be afraid to seek help to
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: get out of it, as opposed to somebody who's in
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: it voluntarily. They don't need to seek help to get
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: out of it. But when it's legalized, if someone's forced
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: into it, they don't have to fear that they're going
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: to get arrested for seeking help to get out of it.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: And the same thing is true. I don't know if
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: people realize there are numerous people in the drug trade
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: in the United States who did not enter that trade voluntarily.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: They were made into drug mules and drug carriers, young
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: drug dealers in their early teen years by older kids
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: or young adults in gangs in their neighborhoods. They essentially
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: got drafted by their neighborhood gangs. And it's if you
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: don't participate, if you decide that you're not going to
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: be a part of that, they don't just say, oh, okay, well,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: well we'll leave you alone since join you later. Dude,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: you go have fun being functional and shit, no, they
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: they shoot you, or they do it drive by shooting
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: on your house and they accidentally kill your five year
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: old little family. You will family, your grandma, your grandpa,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: your dog like, or they follow you around and threaten
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: you over and over again until you join. They're not
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: there's no innocence in that. But if you have a
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: system where selling the substance is not illegal, buying the
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: substance is not illegal, possessing the substance is not illegal,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: it's a lot harder for somebody to do that to
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: you because you can go to the cops and say,
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be part of this, but this
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: person is trying to force me because that's still illegal,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: and you won't get busted for carrying it. You won't
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: get busted for having been forced into it once or
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: using it once or anything like that, because that part's
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: not illegal.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: What we need is for drugs to be sold privately
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: so the government is not involved in that particular aspect.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe we can let the government arrest private vendors for
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: selling shitty drugs or indeed laced drugs. That's how we
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: get over it. Like the fact that drugs are illegal
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: just means everyone's taking drugs laced with fentanyl.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: So they're going to arrest somebody. They should arrest the
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: people selling and red food coloring. That shit's nasty.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: That's a minor example of what we're talking about. But yeah,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: but we can't let the government be in charge of
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: all the drugs because, like Lauren said, they'll fill it
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: with all kinds of weird shit as well that they
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: don't have to put in the ingredients list, and that
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: will probably include fentanyl as well. We should we we
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: should let private companies distribute these things, and if the
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: government wants to get involved, they can. They can prosecute
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: people for putting fentanyl in their drugs.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: Well, they wouldn't even have to worry, like if this stuff,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: if it all became legal and you didn't have to
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: have a license. You didn't have to do any of that.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: The poppy that all forms of opiates, including fentanyl, comes from,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: can be grown in the US. Marijuana is called weed
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: because it literally arted out as a weed. It is
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: a weed. Yeah, obviously it's been cultivated. It's been genetically
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: altered the same way as genetically modified, the same way
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: as a vegetables have.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: Isn't this the difference between an opiate and an opioid.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: Opiates are made from poppies, but opioids are synthesized in
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: a lapartary.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: Versions of yeah, poppy. And the interesting thing is if
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: you have an allergy to the poppy, it's possible to
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: have an allergy to the natural derivatives of it, like
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: codeine and morphine. I'm assuming the others that are natural
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: derivative derivatives opium, opium, heroin, But the synthetics kind of
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: remember the one vicodin, for instance, might not have the
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: same effect because they don't have the plant or the
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: thing you're allergic to from the plant.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: I can't even eat poppy seeds without I get itchy
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: from poppy seeds, and that's not even the same poppy.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: But I also the medicines, like if they've I've had
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: surgeries and they've prescribed coding for me, and we learned
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: that that's not a good thing, and just say, like,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into anaphylactic shock from it.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: You couldn't assassinate me with coding, but you could give
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: me a really bad night and I would have to
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: go to the hospital and get medication for hives. It
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: would suck.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: There's a compromise to everything, Like there are some depressants
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: that the general public can be trusted with, such as alcohol.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: We've trusted the general public with alcohol for millennia, and yes,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: they fucked themselves up. Sometimes we're still going to trust
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: them not to do that. There are some stimulants that
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: we will allow the like caffeine.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: I can't think of many others. But maybe we could
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: extend it to speed, I mean, because that's what There
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: are all kinds of speed that are prescribed, like fucking
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: rittle in and ozembic, Like, there's all manner of drugs
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: that are just speed. They're given a different fucking name.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: And maybe there are some psychedelics that we can allow
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: the public to prescribe to themselves. Can we start with weed?
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: People like, yeah, I think honestly, it's all.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: It's possible, psychedelic, and I think God blessed so many
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: American states for at least going that far. I'm willing
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: to read that compromise. We don't have to make acid legal,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: but can we make weird legal? Maybe even mushrooms?
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: I mean that will because it was legal, I think
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of people would just not bother with the
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: other stuff.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: Noah, Teenagers in the Netherlands, right, they don't. They don't
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: tend to smoke weed because because it's considered something that
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: old people do, so they were, well, I'm allowed to
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: do it, and it's something old people do, are not
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: particularly interested. Like, there are two kinds of people who
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: take illegal drugs, people who take them because they're drugs
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: and people who take them because they're illegal. Correctly, teenagers
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: take drugs because they're illegal, because they're not allowed to
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: do it, because they have this rebellious streak. If they
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: weren't illegal, such as in the Netherlands, they wouldn't take
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: them as much. It's like swear words, when when when
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: when you make them taboo, people want to say them
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: mm hmm.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but in any case, like all of this, you know,
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: just think of the contrast between these two subjects. Right here,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: we have a government that just cares so much about
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: human life that they won't even let you use drugs
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: that are relatively harmless in comparison to some of the
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: stuff that is legal. I've seen more people ruined, like
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: personally witnessed more people ruin their lives with alcohol than
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: with I've never met a person that has ruined their
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: life just on the basis of having smoked weed or
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: used weed in any of the various ways they have.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: But I have personally known people that have ruined their
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: lives with alcohol. And alcohol is legal, we.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: Have to consider that capital hear. By the way, yeah,
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: there are a fun more people drinking alcohol.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: And smoking than using weed. But at the same time,
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: you know, at the same time, I think a part
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: of it is the difference in the way that the
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: two are treated like people. I don't see very many
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: people talking about like binge binging, the way that parties
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: or I don't know, if you've ever seen how it's
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: done in the US. I know Europeans don't have quite
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: the same attitude toward alcohol that we have here. You know,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: it's not verbot and it's not impolite to use it.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: It's not there's not a time of day that's inappropriate
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: for having some. There are circumstances everywhere that it's inappropriate
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: for having some because you have to be somber and
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: sober and all that. But but like, I've actually been
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: castigated by other Americans for having a non alcoholic beer
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: because it's too early in the day to have a
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: drink that does not have alcohol in it but is
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: named after a drink that has alcohol in it, because
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: some weird morality shit.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 5: Right, Well, but you're right, and the way that we
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: treat alcohol, I mean, think about it. I don't know
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 5: how many bars you've been to, but there's not many
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 5: that don't also have.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 4: Parking lots yep.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 5: And then so the whole drink and drive thing is like, well,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 5: how did you get to the bar?
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: How are you going to get exactly?
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: Exactly?
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: You know, But so we have a lot of dysfunction
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: around that. And then as a result, because it is verboten,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: you know, those people who do a drug because it's illegal.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: Like I grew up in an area where it wasn't
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: abnormal for people underage to drink, But then you know,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: when you hit twenty one, even if you've been a
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: drinker up until then, it's like, oh, drink legally now.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: And there's a there's an actual tradition of twenty one
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: year olds going out and getting completely slammed, just completely
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: blasted on alcohol. And there's in some of the counties
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: around the county that I grew up in, there's a
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: tradition brides and grooms when they're getting married, they have
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: their wedding at the church and then they go bar
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: hopping for an hour while their guests have or dirus
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: and an open bar at the reception. And then they
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: show up at the wedding or at the reception and
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: have a big entrance and stuff like that, and they're
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: already drunk before they start drinking at the bar. And
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: there's always a bar at the reception. It's there's always
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: alcohol at wedding receptions, and it's there's always people that
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: they don't just enjoy a few drinks. They get so
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  Speaker 1: drunk that they can't stand up by themselves and they
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: can't and it's it's it is a binge thing. And
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  Speaker 1: then the next day they feel like shit because they
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: don't drink like that all the time. Whereas like most
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  Speaker 1: of the people that I've known that smoke pot will
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  Speaker 1: share a joint with other people, they have an amount
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: that excuse me, you know, they'll get stoned, but they don't.
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  Speaker 1: They don't seem to put themselves into any like comatose
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  Speaker 1: kind of state with it. They just get extremely relaxed
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  Speaker 1: or extremely silly. Except one gal I know that gets
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: extremely angry for some reason on it and don't doesn't
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  Speaker 1: smoke it because of that. Uh And and then the
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  Speaker 1: next day they don't feel like somebody beat them over
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: the head with a with a twenty pound sledgehammer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and and their livers not damaged, and their kidneys aren't damaged,
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  Speaker 1: and you know they're not They haven't done anything yet. Legal,
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  Speaker 1: They probably didn't leave the house.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe embarrassing.
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  Speaker 1: But I legal. Yeah. Angry girl took all took grabbed
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  Speaker 1: all the all the supplies, the drugs and the snacks
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  Speaker 1: and put them into another room and locked everybody else
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  Speaker 1: out and said these are mine. Nobody's touching it. So
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  Speaker 1: nobody got they all had had a little bit. No,
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  Speaker 1: they all got the munchies and then nobody got to eat, right.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, but yeah, contrast that, right, the government's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is too big and scary. You might get silly
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  Speaker 1: one night with you know, they care about you so
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  Speaker 1: much they have to stop you from from uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe damaging a few brain cells and not having the
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  Speaker 1: best possible life you could have. Yeah, but then they
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  Speaker 1: will do this if you're a man. If you're a man,
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  Speaker 1: they will send a team of people to beat you
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  Speaker 1: into submission, to force you to comply with a system
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  Speaker 1: that will send you to the frontline of a war
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  Speaker 1: where people from another country are going to shoot at you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be much better off if they just gave
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: them LSD and tried to convince them to join the war.
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  Speaker 1: We're convince them that they were at war and let them,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: you know, have some sort of online combat with each other,
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: and the winning side agrees that or the losing side
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: agrees that. They'll that the winning side won. If you don't,
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: please attack us in real life, because we don't want
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: to go through that for real.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not actually promoting what was essentially the mk Ultra scheme,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: by the way, I was joking.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that that is true.
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  Speaker 2: What Ultra was.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: That and a few other things. MK, Ultra was pretty horrible.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: It's funny to talk about it in the past tense
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: like it ever.
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  Speaker 5: Ended, right, it's still going on, yes.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, so that's essentially that's that's what I want.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: I wanted you guys listening to have some AMMO consider
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  Speaker 1: what's being done here and what what conscription really is
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  Speaker 1: in every nation using force to impose compliance on men
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  Speaker 1: who don't support a war enough, who aren't motivated to
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  Speaker 1: fight in it, who maybe don't support the cause behind it,
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: uh to sacrifice their lives.
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  Speaker 2: And to reiterate, in many of these cases, they had
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with compliance. It was just revenge against
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: people who wouldn't do it.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, punishment and how that punishment is done ranges
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: from country to country, but there's always something, and it
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: always starts with we will use violence to force your compliance.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: So conscription. And I somebody in the chat earlier said
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: war is violent. Well, yes, war is violent, and therefore
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: conscription is violent.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: The only limitter that can effectively stop your government from
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: waging war wrongfully against other countries is your government not
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: being able to force you to comply with conscription. If
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: they can't convince enough of the public that the war
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: is worth fighting, especially when it's in a foreign country,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: then they shouldn't be sending the public to fight the war, agreed.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: And in terms of Ukraine, when the population that the
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: soldiers are going to defend has already said no, actually,
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: we want to join the country that's attacking. We don't
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: want to be part of the country that's defending us.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: Then perhaps, and especially with the public having to be
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: forced into that war, the government should not have that power.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: And certainly another government across the ocean should not be
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: lending its power to that government to force that compliances
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: as our nation did. So yeah and all, I'm glad
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: that it's over, but I do want you to be
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: perpetually vigilant against this, and I want people to when
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: you get into arguments with people, I want you to
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: show them this. I want you to talk about this.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: I want you to point out this is what men
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: are faced with when we talk about selective services, can
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: conscription and you say, oh, there isn't a draft right now,
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: there isn't a draft. It doesn't matter because this can
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: always happen anytime the government decides that it should. They
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: rewrite the rules the minute they need more men for war.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: They decide that rules previously that would have exempted you
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: are no longer in existence. They decide that, well, it
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you can march or not, as long
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: as you can hold gun, or it doesn't matter if
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: you can shoot straight or not, as long as you're
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: there to be possibly one of the casualties, so that
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: somebody who can shoot a gun isn't. I want to
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: see people convinced enough as to how bad it is
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: to force men to comply and for women to be
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: exempted and yet still be able to vote to send
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: men to war, that the people make it so embarrassing
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: for politicians to continue supporting this type of system that
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: the politicians will choose to eliminate it. You guys, got
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: anything else to add on top of that?
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 4: Good luck in godspeed?
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 5: I mean this part, yeah, it's it's just convincing government
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 5: is just it's it's it's beyond an uphill battle.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: It just feels like.
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  Speaker 5: Something that will never happen because you know, as we know,
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 5: all wars are bankers wars and who controls the state.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 5: You know, it's It's not the elected officials that we
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 5: complain and bitch about every day. It's the banks, you know,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 5: And how do you fight against the banks? How do
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 5: you go toe to toe with these people who control
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 5: literally every aspect of society.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: It's you stand in a populist ravel rouser. They can't buy, correct,
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: which is why they tried to kill him. Yes, yes, yes.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've left a part of my soul
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: behind tonight. But it's okay. I will rebuild it. And
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: and yeah, I hate men less. That's all I can say.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: I think. I think a lot of these problems stem
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: from how much everyone hates men. And if they didn't
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: hate men quite so much, a lot of these problems
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have a bed in the first place. And that
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: includes bankers, it includes the military industrial complex, and it
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: includes all the farty things we talk about all the time,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: like fucking immigration and dare I say feminism. It all
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: stems from just how easy it is to hate men.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: And I'm just sitting here imagining a dare I say,
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: utopia in which people just I didn't indulge in the
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: hatred of men quite so much. You may say I'm
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: There are many of us.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: Us.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: So with that, I will say my two co hosts,
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: this was a lot to ask you guys going through
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: this with me and and uh, of course Brian in
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: the background not really getting to talk about it, but uh,
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: but running the show, and uh to all the listeners.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: And by the way, some of y'all in the chat
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: need to stop lobstering because that's some bullshit. And uh, lobstering,
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: what does that mean? Remember that interview with Jordan Peterson
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: where what do you mean lobstering is doing what she
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: did when she took something that wasn't the logical conclusion
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: of what he said and and said, do you mean
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: do you mean that this? So you're saying this, No
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: he didn't say that. Yeah, essentially, Uh, but to a
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: to a an utterly ridiculous degree, like bringing up something
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: that wasn't discussed. Oh so this, this false equivalence should
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: should never have gone the way that it went in history.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: I've seen several of those, and every single one of
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: them is bullshit.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: In the special chat, have we got a huge audience in.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: This No, No, it's not in a special chat, it's
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: in it's in the restraint chat that has all of
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: our different like YouTube and twitch and everything else that
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: we're so uh yeah, it's it's regulars. The special chat
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: is actually not that active. I only see two comments
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: in it.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: I'm glad I don't pay attention to any of these chats.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: He would only distract me.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 6: Yes, but but yeah, it's kind of like the people
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 6: that that argue communism with with me. And uh when
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 6: I suggest that able bodied people should not be relying
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 6: on government assistance to pay their bills, they're like, so
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 6: disabled people should just starve.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: Noel, I didn't say that. I said nothing of the sort.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: So you know, you can't win that way. You just
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: make yourself look stupid. M hm. But yeah, in any case,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: thanks everybody for listening. And uh, by the way, I
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: still be angry about this.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 3: Show.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: This to people get people talking about whether or not
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: conscription is even valid, whether whether especially gendered conscription. And
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: remember this is men's historical position in society as the
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: shield between the rest of their communities, their their states,
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: their nations, and any threat that comes in or any
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: perceived threat or anything that's in the government's way, right
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: and uh, and women have never faced that, and as
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: a result, male voting patterns and female voting patterns over
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: the history of the franchise have been dramatically different. Be angry,
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: why women shouldn't vote?
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: Be angry until you get justice. This is what anger
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: is for. But if you ever do get justice, allow
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: yourself to become less angry. Yeah, not until you get justice,
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: and that might take a long time. Ladies and gentlemen,
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: good luck and god speed.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: Speaking of taking a long time, we're going to call
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: it and to this one and we will see you
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: next Thursday. We'll also see you on Tuesday. Next Thursday,
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: we are going to go back to discussing the subject
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: we were discussing last week, which was the humanitarian Initiative
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: veil infection, and it's USAID's coup, coup against the federal
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: government that was elected by men, which is.
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily all that different.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: Now in some ways. Now night all y'all, Good night,
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: star Stand