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- 0:00Welcome to Reformed Thinking, where we delve into crucial
- 0:02topics, helping you discern what matters in Christian faith and
- 0:05its interaction with the world. Today we're pulling back the
- 0:08cotton on some towerful currents shaping modern Christianity, and
- 0:12I'm genuinely looking forward to what we'll uncover together.
- 0:14Our deep dive today zeroes in on 2 distinct yet well
- 0:19interconnected subjects. We're looking at the emerging
- 0:21church movement and also the understanding of assurance of
- 0:24salvation, particularly as it relates to a widely practiced
- 0:29concept, the Sinner's Prayer. Our aim is to really distill the
- 0:33core insights from our provided sources, give you a clear grasp
- 0:37of these significant discussions.
- 0:39These things impact how we think about faith today.
- 0:42Absolutely. We'll begin by looking back,
- 0:44maybe charting a historical course.
- 0:46The central question we're considering is how the church
- 0:49has adapted to, you know, these huge societal shifts throughout
- 0:52the ages and what those adaptations mean for our current
- 0:55practices and, well, maybe our future trajectory.
- 0:58We have a compelling collection of material to help us unpack
- 1:00the insights of the emerging church and the biblical
- 1:04understanding of assurance. Yeah, and at its foundation, the
- 1:06Urging Church movement operates on this premise that society has
- 1:10moved through discernible stages since Christianity first came
- 1:12into being. And crucially, for each of these
- 1:15stages, the church has historically developed specific
- 1:18responses. Understanding this long standing
- 1:20pattern, this, you know, centuries long dance between
- 1:23faith and culture, it's essential for us to grasp
- 1:26current trends and proposals within Christianity.
- 1:28It helps us see the larger historical context behind modern
- 1:32innovations and critiques. So let's trace these historical
- 1:36societal stages and witness how the Church consistently reacted
- 1:40to the cultural currents of its day, thinking about how these
- 1:42periods shape the very expressions of faith throughout
- 1:45history, sometimes by necessity, sometimes, well, by strategy.
- 1:48We can indeed trace a fascinating progression.
- 1:51You really see how the Church consistently reacted to the
- 1:55prevailing cultural directions, almost like an Organism adapting
- 1:59to its environment. First, consider the Age of
- 2:02Empires. This stretches from the period
- 2:04immediately following Christ's earthly ministry up to around
- 2:074:20 AD. During this era, you had the
- 2:10Greek and Roman empires holding sway, and Christianity
- 2:13frequently faced severe persecution or outright bans,
- 2:16right? A very hostile environment.
- 2:18Exactly. So the search's response wasn't
- 2:19just adaptation. It was a determined, almost
- 2:22desperate act of going underground.
- 2:24Believers formed hidden communities.
- 2:26They met in secret, or sometimes they retreated to deserts to
- 2:29establish monastic community. To practice freely basically.
- 2:32Precisely this allowed them to practice their faith beyond the
- 2:36reach of laws designed to suppress it.
- 2:38And the insight here is that this early adaptation wasn't
- 2:41merely about physical survival. It forged A profound sense of
- 2:45identity and conviction within those hidden communities.
- 2:49It showed the true faith can flourish even when stripped of
- 2:51public institutions. It taught early Christians a
- 2:54reliance on God and each other that became really foundational.
- 2:58OK, so that's the Age of Empires.
- 3:00What came next? Next, we move into the Era of
- 3:01Chaos, roughly from 4:20 AD to about 800 AD, falling in the
- 3:06dramatic fall of the Western Roman Empire.
- 3:08This is a time of widespread disorder, instability, rampant
- 3:12looting and a severe fragmentation of communication.
- 3:15So travel and communication breakdown.
- 3:17Completely Roads deteriorated, making travel difficult,
- 3:20widespread interaction nearly impossible.
- 3:23This chaotic environment had a direct impact on the church.
- 3:26It led to the development of, well, superstition in some areas
- 3:29and a strong sense of sexualism. Different Christian sects,
- 3:32including the very origins what will become the Orthodox Church
- 3:34in the East and the Roman Catholic Church in the West,
- 3:37began to form. Not necessarily a plan split
- 3:40then. Not really, no.
- 3:42It was more a natural outcome of localized expressions of faith
- 3:45and limited interaction between believers in different regions.
- 3:49With central authority weakened and communication fractured,
- 3:52local traditions gained importance, leading to distinct
- 3:55theological and liturgical developments.
- 3:57And remember, Scripture at this time remain primarily in Latin,
- 4:01accessible mostly to monks, further isolating knowledge.
- 4:05Right. So knowledge becomes
- 4:06concentrated. That leads into the next phase.
- 4:09It does. Following that, we have the Dark
- 4:11Ages from about 800 AD to the 1400s.
- 4:15During this extensive period, common people largely lost the
- 4:18ability to read Latin scripture, which was the primary language
- 4:21of religious texts across Western Europe.
- 4:24Simultaneously, new Romance languages like French, Spanish,
- 4:27Portuguese were developing, becoming the everyday languages.
- 4:30So the Bible becomes even less accessible to the average
- 4:32person. Exactly.
- 4:34Access to scripture and its interpretation became largely
- 4:37controlled by the Kurji, particularly monks, who are
- 4:40among the few who could still read and write Latin.
- 4:43The Church's prominent response during this time was the rise
- 4:45and institutionalization of Roman Catholicism.
- 4:48This period centralized religious authority, making the
- 4:51Church the primary intermediary between God and man for most
- 4:55common people. The divine became accessible
- 4:58mainly through clerical channels.
- 4:59OK, a very centralized controlled period.
- 5:02Then things start to change again.
- 5:03Massively then came the Enlightenment.
- 5:05Spanning roughly the 1400s to the 1700s, this period was
- 5:09marked by an intellectual and cultural revolution, the
- 5:12rediscovery of ancient Roman and Greek philosophy, coupled with
- 5:15the dramatic emergence of modern science, rational inquiry, and
- 5:19humanism. A shift towards reason and
- 5:21science. Yes, and this shift in thinking
- 5:23challenged traditional authorities, including religious
- 5:26ones. In response, the church
- 5:28experienced the Reformation. This was a powerful, biblically
- 5:32driven movement that brought about a strong push for a return
- 5:35to scriptural principles and a more intellectual, individual
- 5:38approach to faith. Challenging the established
- 5:40structures. Vigorously, it challenged
- 5:43established religious structures and practices that have
- 5:45developed over centuries, particularly the centralized
- 5:48authority of Rome, arguing for sola scripture of Scripture
- 5:51alone as the ultimate authority and solafide salvation by faith
- 5:54alone. A pivotal moment, obviously.
- 5:57What follows the Enlightenment? After the Enlightenment, we
- 6:00entered modernity or the Industrial Age from the 1700s to
- 6:04the 1900's. The Industrial Revolution
- 6:06brought forth factories, mass production, the establishment of
- 6:09vast colonial empires. Society shifted dramatically
- 6:13towards industry, scientific inquiry, efficiency and a
- 6:16methodical focus on process. A world focused on facts,
- 6:20Process, science. How did the church respond?
- 6:24In this environment, where truth was often seen as verifiable
- 6:27through scientific method, the Church's response was a
- 6:30strategic return to preaching. The idea was well.
- 6:33As society became more oriented towards seeking factual truth
- 6:36and understanding repeatable processes, the Church would
- 6:39explain spiritual truth and divine revelation primarily
- 6:42through structured, logical sermons.
- 6:43So the sermon becomes the main delivery method for truth.
- 6:46Pretty much, it became the central means of conveying
- 6:49spiritual knowledge, attempting to align the communication of
- 6:53faith with the prevalent cultural logic of the age.
- 6:57OK. And that brings us closer to our
- 6:58own time. It does.
- 7:00Finally, we arrived at the era of relativism, or post Christian
- 7:04society, which began around the 1900s and continues today.
- 7:08In this societal condition, there was a significant
- 7:11gravitation towards valuing personal experience above all
- 7:14else, a widespread rejection of traditional external authority,
- 7:18whether governmental, scientific or religious, and a notable
- 7:22decline in a dominant Christian worldview.
- 7:24The focus shifts inward to personal experience.
- 7:27Right. And the church's most visible
- 7:29response to this cultural shift? Well, it was the charismatic
- 7:32movement and the rise of independent churches.
- 7:34This produced a more experiential form of
- 7:36Christianity, often characterized by a strong
- 7:39emphasis on spiritual gifts, emotional expressions of faith,
- 7:42direct personal encounters with God.
- 7:44Aligning with that cultural emphasis on experience.
- 7:47Exactly. This style of faith naturally
- 7:49aligned with society's emphasis on individual experience and
- 7:53often operated outside traditional denominations and
- 7:56their centralized authority. It reflected a desire for
- 7:59immediate personal spiritual encounter rather than adherence
- 8:02to establish structures or creeds.
- 8:05It's truly fascinating to see this consistent pattern of
- 8:08reaction. It really does feel like the
- 8:09church has historically been, you know, catching up to
- 8:13cultural shifts. But now, as we move into the
- 8:15complexities of the 21st century, what if that dynamic is
- 8:19fundamentally changing? What's different about this era
- 8:22that prompts some to argue the church can, and maybe should,
- 8:25move beyond merely reacting? That's precisely where the core
- 8:28assertion of the emerging church comes into play.
- 8:31Their claim, essentially, is that modern technology has
- 8:33gifted the church and paralleled ability to proactively shape and
- 8:37direct cultural shifts, rather than simply being a passenger
- 8:41and reacting to them after they've already occurred.
- 8:43Proactively shaped culture. This capability, they argue,
- 8:46stems from the explosion of increased communication and
- 8:49computer technology. It enables instantaneous global
- 8:53connection. For example, think about a
- 8:55pastor in the United States, now G chatting weekly with a friend
- 8:59who's a pastor in Durban, South Africa.
- 9:01Yeah, that connection is immediate now.
- 9:03Exactly. Such immediate global
- 9:05interaction was simply unheard of even two or three decades
- 9:08ago. Back then, a missionary might
- 9:11only return home on furlough every seven to 10 years for
- 9:14those kinds of conversations. This kind of technology, they
- 9:17contend, is foundationally different even from what existed
- 9:21just 10 years ago. It's creating, they say, a new
- 9:24emerging generation and culture based entirely on these
- 9:28technological advancements, fostering a globalized,
- 9:30digitally native worldview like. Kids using laptops in school now
- 9:34it's just normal. Right, digital collaboration is
- 9:37standard, a shift that simply wasn't present a generation ago.
- 9:40It completely changes how information is accessed and
- 9:43processed. So this understanding of
- 9:46technology's game changing capabilities leads to a
- 9:49fundamental question for the church.
- 9:51Will the church wait and be shaped by this change or will it
- 9:54proactively shape the change? Will it be passive or will it be
- 9:58active? And the emerging church says be
- 9:59active. That's the goal.
- 10:01The emerging church strives to be active, seeking to steer
- 10:04societal alteration, to be a proactive force for cultural
- 10:08transformation, rather than merely adapting to what's
- 10:11already happening. This proactive stance, this
- 10:14ambition to direct culture, that's the distinguishing mark
- 10:17of this movement compared to all previous eras.
- 10:19That's a powerful and maybe even unsettling proposition for many
- 10:22traditional churchgoers. If the church is aiming to shape
- 10:25culture, what are the ripple effects?
- 10:27This mindset, this active approach, it must prompt a
- 10:30searching look at, well, everything that goes on in the
- 10:32church. Does this mean traditional
- 10:34practices are now kind of up for grabs?
- 10:35Precisely once the church adopts this proactive, shaping stance,
- 10:40it compels A systematic questioning of traditional
- 10:43practices and elements. The aim becomes discerning what
- 10:46is truly biblical, established by God for all time and
- 10:49cultures, versus what is merely cultural.
- 10:53You know, a product of historical or societal influence
- 10:56that might now be hindering the Church's mission.
- 10:58OK, like what kind of things get questioned?
- 11:00Well, consider sacraments, for instance.
- 11:03Some in the emerging Church movement choose to focus
- 11:05intensely on Communion and Baptism.
- 11:07They see them as transcultural elements established by the Lord
- 11:10Himself, therefore foundational and unchanging.
- 11:14This often leads to a renewed interest in, say, the Orthodox
- 11:17Church, which some view as a glimpse of the Church before
- 11:20significant Western cultural shifts influence its practices.
- 11:23Trying to capture something earlier, maybe more pure.
- 11:25But others go the opposite way. Yes.
- 11:27Conversely, other groups within the movement may completely
- 11:30abandoned sacraments. They judge them to be cultural
- 11:32rituals rather than essential expressions of faith.
- 11:35In a modern context, their argument might be that the
- 11:38symbols have lost their meaning or become barriers.
- 11:40Interesting. What else?
- 11:42Then there's the sermon. Some within the movement argue
- 11:45that the traditional sermon format, where a preacher stands
- 11:47before a congregation to explain a biblical text, is itself a
- 11:51cultural product of modernity, not necessarily a timeless
- 11:55biblical mandate. They contend it implies A
- 11:59passive reception of information from an authority figure, which
- 12:03doesn't resonate with a generation that values
- 12:05interaction and authenticity. It can even be described by some
- 12:08proponents as an act of violence upon the listeners.
- 12:12Violence. That's really strong language.
- 12:14It is the idea being it can be perceived as top down,
- 12:18authoritarian, disengaging. This perspective leads some
- 12:21segments of the movement to abandoned sermons altogether,
- 12:24opting for more dialogical, conversational or experiential
- 12:27formats. They want to engage listeners
- 12:28more actively. OK, sacrament sermons.
- 12:30What about the basics like meeting on Sunday?
- 12:32Yep, the long standing practice of Sunday meetings and the
- 12:35necessity of church buildings are also placed under scrutiny.
- 12:39Some proponents suggest alternative meeting times or
- 12:42flexible meeting locations that they believe better aligned with
- 12:46community needs rather than being confined to a fixed
- 12:49structure on a specific day. There's an illustrative example
- 12:52of Mosaic Church. They didn't meet in the static
- 12:55building, but instead move gatherings to places like Skid
- 12:58Row to minister directly to mentally challenged individuals
- 13:02in their environment. Meeting people where they are
- 13:04literally. Exactly or near striking dock
- 13:07workers in Long Beach to address immediate community needs.
- 13:10In this view, church buildings are sometimes seen as the symbol
- 13:13of all. This is wrong in modern
- 13:15Christianity. Some authors hold strong
- 13:18objections to them, seeing them as relics that consume
- 13:20resources, create barriers to entry, and hinder genuine
- 13:23community engagement. Wow, even questioning church
- 13:26buildings, does it go further? It can perhaps most radically.
- 13:30Some even question or reject the necessity of elders.
- 13:34They argue that their establishment and Titus, for
- 13:36example, was a specific cultural response to unique pastoral
- 13:41needs and challenges. In Crete, the church there was
- 13:44new vulnerable to false teaching.
- 13:46So they argue, it's not universal.
- 13:49Right proponents suggest, therefore, that eldership may
- 13:52not be a universal biblical mandate for all churches in all
- 13:55cultures throughout history, but rather a context specific
- 13:59solution. For many, this challenges
- 14:01centuries of established church governance.
- 14:04It raises significant questions about authority, accountability,
- 14:07leadership. Structures, definitely.
- 14:09It forces a reevaluation of what's biblical versus what's
- 14:11traditional application. It does.
- 14:13It prompts a reevaluation of what church structures are truly
- 14:16transcultural, ordained by Christ for all time, and what
- 14:19are merely wise but adaptable cultural applications of
- 14:22biblical principles. And beyond these major elements,
- 14:25a common critique from the emerging church perspective is
- 14:28that traditional churches exhibit numerous cultural
- 14:30nuances, like what? Things like specific dress
- 14:33codes, maybe a preference for ties and worship, particular
- 14:36music styles like hymns which might feel alien to contemporary
- 14:40years. Also specialized language, often
- 14:43termed Christianese, which can be unintelligible to outsiders.
- 14:47Yeah, that insider language can be a real barrier.
- 14:50It can and even a preference for a Christian professionals,
- 14:53doctors, lawyers, car salesman, creating an insular network.
- 14:58The argument is that these characteristics cause
- 15:00traditional churches to become a subculture rather than
- 15:04infiltrating the culture at large.
- 15:05Creating an US versus them unintentionally.
- 15:08Something like that. You know, it reminds me of
- 15:09trying to explain cloud computing to my grandmother.
- 15:12You quickly realize you're speaking a foreign language.
- 15:14Christianese can do the same thing.
- 15:16You can create an unintended insider club rather than an open
- 15:20invitation to the unchurched, hindering the ability to
- 15:22effectively engage and influence the wider society.
- 15:25That's a really comprehensive list of challenges to deeply
- 15:28held traditions. It definitely begs the question,
- 15:31amidst all this systematic questioning, this deconstruction
- 15:34of long held practices, is there anything the emerging church
- 15:38movement consistently holds as truly non negotiable?
- 15:41What's the one constant, if anything?
- 15:43That's an astute question, and it's a crucial distinction.
- 15:47Despite re evaluating nearly every other aspect of church
- 15:50practice, love is considered the one sacred cow that exists
- 15:53throughout every societal shift. That scene is the non
- 15:56negotiable. It is the constant element, the
- 15:59lens through which everything else is viewed and filtered.
- 16:01So love is the core, the anchor. Yes, love is viewed as the main
- 16:06tool given to the church to shape and change society.
- 16:08It's regarded as the truly transcultural element, the one
- 16:11attribute that remains across all historical and cultural
- 16:14shifts, directly reflecting God's own character.
- 16:17How does that play out practically?
- 16:19Well, flowing from the centrality of love, emerging
- 16:22churches often give significant weight to Mercy ministries and
- 16:26they aim to be thoroughly in the community to express that love
- 16:29and foster change in society. This means actively having the
- 16:34people in the community embedding themselves in the
- 16:36local context. Not just meeting at a building
- 16:39on a corner. It's not just about gathering at
- 16:41a fixed address, but truly demonstrating compassion and
- 16:44fostering social good right where people live and work.
- 16:47For instance, this could involve feeding the homeless, providing
- 16:50after school tutoring, or engaging in local civic issues.
- 16:54All is tangible expressions of divine love.
- 16:57The goal is to live out the gospel in practical ways that
- 16:59meet immediate needs and build genuine relationships within the
- 17:02surrounding culture. OK, this ambition to proactively
- 17:06shape culture through love, It leads to a particular mindset.
- 17:09Then how do emerging churches view their role in society?
- 17:13And what does this mean for you, the individual believer in your
- 17:16daily life? Emerging churches adopt what's
- 17:18often called a missional mindset.
- 17:21They view their members as missionaries to their own
- 17:23culture. The underlying conviction is
- 17:25that if traditional churches aren't effectively engaging
- 17:28their local communities, if they're inadvertently creating
- 17:31subcultures, then someone needs to.
- 17:34And that is the role they aim to fulfill.
- 17:36So it's a call to get involved. It is a call to active,
- 17:39intentional involvement in the world around them.
- 17:42They critique traditional churches, as we said, for
- 17:44becoming a subculture rather than infiltrated the culture,
- 17:48arguing that those distinct cultural expressions, dress,
- 17:51music, language, even preferring Christian businesses,
- 17:55effectively separate them from the surrounding community.
- 17:57And that separation hinders the mission.
- 18:00That's the view. It prevents the Church from
- 18:02actively engaging and influencing its local
- 18:04communities, turning it into an insulated group rather than an
- 18:07outward focused agent of change. A frequently referenced model
- 18:11for this missional living is the incarnation of Jesus.
- 18:15How does that apply? The idea is that just as Jesus
- 18:18learned a language that wasn't his, dressed in clothes that
- 18:20weren't his, and became part of a culture that wasn't his, so
- 18:24too should Christians immerse themselves in their local
- 18:26culture to present the gospel in terms people understand and
- 18:30relate to. It's about adapting oneself to
- 18:33the cultural context. Without compromising the message
- 18:36itself. Exactly.
- 18:37Not compromising the gospel, but communicating it effectively by
- 18:41understanding and relating to the cultural framework of those
- 18:44you seek to reach. It's about being in the world,
- 18:47but not of the world, in a way that prioritizes engagement over
- 18:51isolation. There's actually a helpful
- 18:53framework for thinking about different approaches churches
- 18:55take in relation to culture. It's a widely cited 4 category
- 18:59model helps categorize these postures.
- 19:02OK, what are the categories? First, you have the ignores
- 19:05church in hates culture category.
- 19:07This is often depicted as a crazy guy on the street using a
- 19:09bullhorn to yell at people about Jesus.
- 19:12This person isn't connected to any established church, holds a
- 19:14deeply negative view of the surrounding culture, and often
- 19:17expresses their faith in an abrasive, confrontational way.
- 19:21Pushes people away. Right.
- 19:22Not very inviting. Not at all.
- 19:24Second, there's ignores church and loves culture.
- 19:27This describes what we often see in para church organizations
- 19:30like the Campus Crusade style model.
- 19:32These groups are deeply involved in people's lives and engage
- 19:36extensively with culture, often operating outside a traditional
- 19:39church structure. Their focus is on specific
- 19:42ministries, campus evangelism, humanitarian aid, etcetera.
- 19:46Meeting people where they are often seeing the church as
- 19:48secondary. OK, so engaged with culture but
- 19:51may be disconnected from the local church.
- 19:53Often, yes. Third, we have Love's church and
- 19:57hates culture. This category strongly
- 19:59represents fundamentalism. Such churches often focus
- 20:02intensely on building their own internal subculture.
- 20:05Creating distinct social norms, purposely distancing themselves
- 20:09from broader societal trends, which they often view as
- 20:12inherently corrupt. The Church as a refuge from a
- 20:14bad world. That's the idea.
- 20:17While they hold a strong fondness for their
- 20:18ecclesiastical community and traditions, seeing the Church as
- 20:21a pure refuge, their posture towards the outside culture is 1
- 20:25of withdrawal and condemnation all.
- 20:26Right, three categories down. What's the 4th?
- 20:29Finally, there's Love's Church and Love's culture.
- 20:32This is where the missional church, the emerging church
- 20:34ideal, aims to fit. It actively seeks to engage with
- 20:38and bring about changing culture, recognizing the good
- 20:41within it, while simultaneously valuing the church as an
- 20:44essential community and instrument of God's redemptive
- 20:46plan. Trying to find that balance.
- 20:48Yes, the desired balance. Aiming to be active and
- 20:51transformative within society without compromising biblical
- 20:55truth. Seeking to integrate faith and
- 20:57life within the cultural milieu. Now, there's often an additional
- 21:01category added to this discussion to describe another
- 21:04common posture. Loves church and loves culture
- 21:07and ignores gospel. OK, what's that?
- 21:09This category describes liberalism.
- 21:12It often expresses A genuine affection for the church as a
- 21:14community and a desire to engage with an improved culture, but
- 21:18moves away from the core historic gospel message.
- 21:21This might involve reinterpreting or de emphasizing
- 21:23foundational biblical doctrines, often prioritizing social
- 21:27justice or human experience over traditional biblical authority.
- 21:31Got it. That framework certainly
- 21:33provides A valuable lens for thinking about how different
- 21:35Christian groups relate to culture.
- 21:38Now, having explored the emerging church's critical
- 21:40stance towards many traditions, let's pivot.
- 21:43Let's talk about a widely discussed practice that has
- 21:46profoundly influenced many people's understanding of coming
- 21:50to faith and knowing they are saved.
- 21:53The Sinner's Prayer It's a practice that sits right at the
- 21:56heart of how conversion and assurance are often understood
- 21:59in many Christian circles. Absolutely.
- 22:02The Sinner's prayer is a specific, often formulaic prayer
- 22:05that has become widely used in segments of evangelical
- 22:08Christianity, particularly say, since the mid 20th century.
- 22:12Common phrases including these prayers are things like Lord, I
- 22:14invite you into my heart or make you king of my life, or I
- 22:17recognize that I'm a Sinner turning from my wicked way, and
- 22:20I will follow you forever and ever.
- 22:21A structured recitation, essentially.
- 22:23Yes, typically short, structured, intended to mark the
- 22:27moment of conversion. In certain evangelical circles,
- 22:31especially those influenced by large scale evangelistic
- 22:34crusades and movements like Calvary Chapel, the Sinner's
- 22:38Prayer was historically seen as pretty much synonymous with
- 22:41evangelism itself. Success measured by how many
- 22:44prayed the prayer. Often, yes.
- 22:47The success of evangelistic endeavors was frequently
- 22:50quantified by the number of people who responded by praying
- 22:53this prayer, and assurance of salvation was frequently tied
- 22:56directly to having said the prayer.
- 22:58People were often told that if they prayed the prayer and
- 23:01really meant it, they were saved and they should Never let
- 23:04anybody question your salvation. I've heard of people dating
- 23:07their bibles with the date they prayed it.
- 23:09Exactly. That practice sometimes involved
- 23:11dating the front cover of a Bible with a prayers date
- 23:14intended as a tangible reference point.
- 23:16If doubt arose later, the unfortunate solution for a lack
- 23:19of assurance was often just to have them pray the prayer again.
- 23:22The implication being their initial attempt lacks sincerity
- 23:25or wasn't meant enough. Which could create a cycle of
- 23:28doubt. It could, absolutely a cycle
- 23:30where individuals might repeatedly pray the prayer,
- 23:33never quite certain if they had truly meant it enough to be
- 23:35genuinely saved. However, there are significant
- 23:39biblical and theological critiques of this practice.
- 23:43A central argument against the sinner's prayer is that there is
- 23:46simply no precedent for the sinner's prayer in the Bible
- 23:48itself, nor are the specific phrases it typically uses found
- 23:52in Scripture as a prescribed method for conversion.
- 23:55Contrasting with prayers we do see in the Bible, right?
- 23:58It stands in stark contrast to the spontaneous, genuine prayers
- 24:01of repentance and faith found throughout the Bible, which are
- 24:04organic expressions of a changed heart.
- 24:07It is stressed that prayer is not the switch that activates
- 24:10salvation. People can be genuinely saved
- 24:12without ever reciting a formal sinner's prayer, and conversely,
- 24:15people can pray the prayer without being genuinely saved.
- 24:18Like Jesus's words in Matthew 7. Exactly the example of Matthew
- 24:217.2123 is often cited. Individuals perform mighty acts
- 24:26in the Lord's name, prophesying, casting out demons.
- 24:30Yet Jesus declares I never knew you.
- 24:33This powerfully underscores that external actions or verbal
- 24:35declarations, even seemingly spiritual ones, don't guarantee
- 24:39salvation. Regeneration, the spirit
- 24:42sovereign work of giving new life, is a divine act.
- 24:45It's not activated by a specific human prayer, no matter how
- 24:48sincere. God quickens a dead spirit.
- 24:51So the prayer itself isn't the cause of salvation.
- 24:53Correct, and the Sinner's prayer model can also implicitly
- 24:56introduce a works based idea of salvation.
- 24:58It suggests A progression where a person is not saved, not
- 25:01saved, not saved, and then they say this prayer and they're
- 25:03saved. It makes the prayer itself the
- 25:04linchpin of salvation rather than God's grace received
- 25:07through faith. Reducing it to a human action.
- 25:09Yes, this reduction of conversion to a human act, a
- 25:13formula to be recited, can be traced historically to figures
- 25:16like Charles Finney and the practice of counting decisions
- 25:20in revivals where a physical act or verbal response was equated
- 25:24with conversion. Furthermore, the concept of the
- 25:27sinner's prayer is believed by many to originate from reducing
- 25:30Romans 10.9 to 10 into a simplified formula.
- 25:33Confess with your mouth. Believe in your heart.
- 25:35Right, the passage states, if you confess with your mouth that
- 25:39Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him
- 25:41from the dead, you will be saved.
- 25:44The interpretation often suggests that if belief happens
- 25:46in the heart, the sinner's prayer then becomes the
- 25:49prescribed next step to fulfill the confess with your mouth
- 25:51aspect, completing a recipe for salvation.
- 25:55That's a misreading. Many argue it is this is a
- 25:57primary concern. Teaching that assurance comes
- 26:00from an external action is considered very dangerous and
- 26:03entirely unbiblical. God's scripture tells us looks
- 26:07at the heart, not just outward appearance.
- 26:09Remember first Samuel 16.7. The parable of the soils in Mark
- 26:124 powerfully illustrates this. You can't truly know a person's
- 26:16heart by their initial response to the gospel.
- 26:19External responses can look identical even without true
- 26:22internal change. Like a child responding at camp
- 26:24just to fit in. Exactly.
- 26:26Or we've heard anecdotes about parents who rely entirely on
- 26:28their child having said the prayer at 12 as assurance of
- 26:31salvation, even when that child, now an adult, shows no ongoing
- 26:35evidence of a changed life or genuine love for Christ.
- 26:38This reliance on a past external action for present assurance can
- 26:41be profoundly deceptive, particularly concerning genuine
- 26:44motives and the reality of a transformed heart.
- 26:47So genuine prayer is different from this formula.
- 26:49Yes, while genuine repentance and faith will certainly express
- 26:53itself in prayer eventually, there's a huge difference
- 26:56between encouraging somebody to pray authentically from their
- 26:59heart and leading them in a Repeat After Me prayer
- 27:03specifically structured so that they can become a Christian.
- 27:07Think of the tax collector's prayer in Luke 18.13.
- 27:10Lord, be merciful to me, a Sinner.
- 27:12Very simple, very direct. And it came from his own deep
- 27:15expression of conviction and a humble asking for forgiveness.
- 27:19It wasn't a prescribed, formulaic recitation.
- 27:21This spontaneous outpouring, born of a contrite heart, is the
- 27:24kind of prayer that Scripture highlights is truly biblical.
- 27:27Finally, the sinner's prayer is closely connected to the whole
- 27:31altar call concept that gained prominence in modern evangelism.
- 27:34Like it being crusades, right? Experiences with ministries like
- 27:37Harvest Crusades are often mentioned where large numbers of
- 27:40people would come forward, say the prayer and be told they were
- 27:43saved. Yet subsequent follow up often
- 27:46revealed 0 baptisms or sustained church attendance.
- 27:50People, it was observed, would come forward for a variety of
- 27:53reasons. Genuine conviction sometimes,
- 27:55but also simple misunderstanding social pressure.
- 27:58Or wanting to be on the baseball field like the story you
- 28:00mentioned. Exactly.
- 28:01Those kinds of stories highlight the potential pitfalls.
- 28:05The danger lies in manipulating public emotions and making a
- 28:08public spectacle the primary basis of assurance.
- 28:11Now, it's crucial to know simply inviting people to talk and
- 28:14receive counsel after a gospel message and encouraging genuine
- 28:18prayer? That's not seen as problematic
- 28:20in itself, as long as it avoids manipulative tactics and doesn't
- 28:24present a formulaic prayer as the absolute key to unlock
- 28:27salvation. OK, that's a really important
- 28:29distinction. If external actions like the
- 28:32sinner's prayer do not provide true assurance of salvation, how
- 28:36then can a believer gain genuine confidence in their salvation?
- 28:39This is a question that weighs heavily on many hearts, and we
- 28:42need to turn to Scripture for its clarity here.
- 28:45Absolutely. Biblical assurance of salvation,
- 28:47unlike reliance on a formula, is fundamentally subjective.
- 28:51What we mean by that is it comes from an internal evaluation of
- 28:541's faith, a quiet growing confidence based on scriptural
- 28:58principles rather than an external check mark.
- 29:01It is not something that can be given by an external person or
- 29:03through a specific external action.
- 29:05So what is it not based on? Let's clarify that first.
- 29:08Good idea. It is definitively not the
- 29:12result of an external action, like raising a hand in response
- 29:15to a preacher, walking an aisle during an altar call, or saying
- 29:19a specific sinner's prayer. Teaching that it comes from such
- 29:23actions is considered very dangerous and entirely
- 29:27unbiblical precisely because it can lead to false hope.
- 29:30Also, a pastor, priest, or any other person cannot give someone
- 29:34assurance of their salvation. It's not a means of grace or a
- 29:38sacrament that can be dispensed by a church or individual.
- 29:41It's not something someone else bestows on you.
- 29:43Correct. And the sinner's prayer model is
- 29:45rejected precisely because prayer is not the switch that
- 29:49activates salvation. God's act of regeneration
- 29:52proceeds and enables genuine prayer, not the other way
- 29:55around. Furthermore, Assurance isn't
- 29:58described as some kind of supernatural gift equivalent to
- 30:00regeneration that someone just randomly receives later in their
- 30:04Christian. Walk like a sudden ZAP of
- 30:06feeling sure right? Well, feelings can certainly
- 30:08accompany assurance. They are not its foundation or
- 30:10source. Assurance is more grounded than
- 30:12just a fleeting feeling. OK, so if it's not those things,
- 30:16where does biblical assurance come from?
- 30:18Biblical assurance, rather, is identified as stemming from
- 30:21three main interconnected areas. These are all operating as
- 30:26internal realities cultivated by God's Spirit in the believer's
- 30:29life. The 1st is a pattern of
- 30:32obedience in your life. A pattern, not perfection.
- 30:35Exactly. True believers will demonstrate
- 30:37A continued and sustained faith in the promises of God as their
- 30:41relationship with Christ is cultivated and matures.
- 30:43Through constant feeding on God's Word fellowship with His
- 30:47people, they will progressively begin to establish patterns of
- 30:50obedience. This isn't about instant
- 30:52perfection and salvation, but rather a discernible direction
- 30:55of life where the Spirit is clearly at work.
- 30:58It's a growing desire to conform to Christ's will, manifesting in
- 31:02concrete choices and actions. Over time, as you walk with the
- 31:05Lord, this pattern becomes a quiet yet compelling evidence.
- 31:08OK, a pattern of obedience. What's the second source?
- 31:11The second source is progressive sanctification.
- 31:14This refers to the ongoing lifelong process by which a
- 31:17believer grows and applies Scriptures to their life.
- 31:20Increasingly growing in Christlikeness, The Holy Spirit
- 31:24residing within the believer produces in them fruit, which is
- 31:27in keeping with repentance. Tangible changes over time.
- 31:31Yes, tangible changes in attitudes and actions that,
- 31:33while sometimes small and potentially slowed by sin and
- 31:36struggle, ersist throughout a erson's life.
- 31:38Imortantly, certification never stalls out completely.
- 31:41There's always growth, even as slow.
- 31:43For example, a person might rogressively recognize and turn
- 31:46away from sinful behaviors they once embraced.
- 31:49Maybe drug abuse, sexual immorality, explosive anger.
- 31:52This ongoing turning is visible evidence of salvation.
- 31:55This growing love for Christ and for other people, as the apostle
- 31:58John tells us, directly demonstrates the love of the
- 32:00Father at work in you. Makes sense.
- 32:02Obedience patterns? Progressive sanctification?
- 32:04What's the third? The third indicator, and perhaps
- 32:07the most direct, is the presence of the Holy Spirit.
- 32:10The Holy Spirit takes residency within the body of every
- 32:13believer at the moment of salvation and is actively
- 32:16involved in their sanctification.
- 32:19Through his indwelling presence, the Holy Spirit performs several
- 32:22roles related to assurance. He comforts reminding believers
- 32:26of God's fatherly love. He convicts of sin, drawing them
- 32:29to repentance in a closer walk with God.
- 32:32And critically, he gives resolute confidence that we're
- 32:34children of God, bearing witness with our spirits.
- 32:37That internal testimony. Exactly.
- 32:40The Apostle Paul speaks of the love of God poured out in our
- 32:42hearts to the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
- 32:45These are subjective internal indicators, a quiet conviction,
- 32:49a growing transformation, and a spirit given inner witness that
- 32:53collectively demonstrate that assurance is not a checklist
- 32:56that a living reality. So how should we encourage
- 32:58someone seeking assurance then, if not the sinner's prayer?
- 33:02Instead of relying on external actions or formulas, someone who
- 33:05sincerely desires to believe the gospel should be encouraged to
- 33:09focus on these biblical realities first.
- 33:11They should be encouraged to understand repentance and faith.
- 33:14Biblically, this means grasping that believing the gospel
- 33:18involves turning from your sin a change of mind that leads to
- 33:21loving God, hating sin, and walking away from sin that is
- 33:25entangling you. And it also involves putting
- 33:28your faith in the finished work of Christ, believing that He
- 33:31died and rose from the grave for your salvation, trusting his
- 33:34atoning work completely, not your own efforts.
- 33:37Get the foundation right. Absolutely.
- 33:39Second, they should be encouraged to engage directly
- 33:41with Scripture. Encourage them to read the
- 33:43Bible, particularly books like First John, which provides clear
- 33:47guidance on evaluating one's faith by examining the practical
- 33:50outworkings of salvation in a believer's life.
- 33:53It helps you see the evidences of new life.
- 33:55Look for the fruit, essentially. Yes.
- 33:58Third, they should be encouraged to pray.
- 34:00Genuinely encourage them to simply stop and pray to express
- 34:05their honest thoughts and desires to God from their heart.
- 34:08Now, while a pastor or friend may certainly pray for the
- 34:11person, perhaps thanking God for their willingness to trust the
- 34:14gospel, they should not be LED in a Repeat After Me prayer
- 34:18specifically designed to become a Christian.
- 34:20Because that risks becoming that unhelpful formula again.
- 34:23Precisely. It can become an enemy of
- 34:25biblical evangelism by substituting a formula for true
- 34:28heart change. A spontaneous, sincere prayer,
- 34:31like that of the tax gatherer in Luke 183080, is the truer
- 34:34example of repentant prayer in Scripture.
- 34:36It displays genuine repentance and faith far better than a
- 34:39crafted formula. This biblical framework provides
- 34:42a far more secure and frankly, lasting foundation for assurance
- 34:46than any external or formulaic act.
- 34:49It shifts the basis from human performance to God's sovereign
- 34:52work. Now, to ground our understanding
- 34:54of how to share this good news, how to proclaim the gospel
- 34:57faithfully, let's look at a clear biblical example.
- 35:00We turn to Acts 13, where we find Paul's first recorded
- 35:03gospel proclamation. How did this apostle, who would,
- 35:06you know, revolutionize Gentile evangelism, present the message?
- 35:09That's a great place to look. Paul's approach in Acts 13
- 35:12serves as a really robust and comprehensive model for gospel
- 35:15proclamation. And notably, there's no sinner's
- 35:18prayer formula anywhere. Insight.
- 35:20This was Paul's very first recorded gospel proclamation.
- 35:23It was delivered specifically to Jews gathered in a synagogue on
- 35:26the Sabbath, a highly receptive audience steeped in Old
- 35:29Testament knowledge. He knew his audience.
- 35:31Definitely. And it followed previous gospel
- 35:33presentations by Peter, who preached to individuals, Jewish
- 35:36crowds, even Gentile crowds, and Stephen who presented to crowds
- 35:40of Jews and Pharisees. So there's a rich context of
- 35:43various evangelistic approaches in the early church already.
- 35:47Paul's message, which we find in Acts 13 verses 15 to 41, was
- 35:51remarkably rich in both historical and theological
- 35:54content. It builds logically and
- 35:56persuasively. How did he structure it?
- 35:57What were the key parts? Well, he began with a
- 36:00comprehensive historical overview.
- 36:02He meticulously traced God's faithful work from the
- 36:05patriarchs through Abraham, Moses, Samuel, and David.
- 36:09He illustrated God's consistent interaction with Israel,
- 36:12particularly in choosing their fathers and powerfully leading
- 36:15them out of Egypt. Establishing common ground from
- 36:17their own history. Exactly.
- 36:19It showed how God's plan was unfolding to their own heritage.
- 36:23He then presented Jesus as the fulfillment of prophecy.
- 36:26He specifically identified him as the promised Savior from
- 36:29David's offspring, directly linking him to Old Testament
- 36:32expectations and promises that his Jewish audience would have
- 36:34known intimately. Making that crucial connection.
- 36:37Yes. Then Paul included John the
- 36:39Baptist testimony. He highlighted John's divinely
- 36:42appointed role in proclaiming a baptism of repentance and
- 36:45consistently pointing to Jesus as the one who was to come whose
- 36:48sandals he wasn't worthy to untie.
- 36:50This provided a recognized, credible witness for Jesus.
- 36:53OK, history, prophecy, John's witness.
- 36:56What next? Crucially, Paul detailed the
- 36:58crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus.
- 37:01He explained that Jerusalem's rulers, in condemning Jesus,
- 37:04ironically fulfilled specific prophecies demonstrating God's
- 37:07sovereign plan, even working through human sin.
- 37:09But then he stressed that God powerfully raised Jesus from the
- 37:13dead. This resurrection was absolutely
- 37:15central to the good news, authenticating Jesus's identity
- 37:18and his work. He then cited those who had been
- 37:21with Jesus from Galilee to Jerusalem as witnesses to his
- 37:23resurrection, providing verifiable eyewitness testimony.
- 37:26The core facts of the Gospel. Absolutely.
- 37:29Paul then clearly proclaimed forgiveness of sins through
- 37:32Jesus. He further stated that everyone
- 37:35who believes is freed from what the Law of Moses could not free
- 37:38them from, specifically justification from all things.
- 37:42This underscored the completeness of Christ's work in
- 37:44providing A righteousness that the Old Testament law could not
- 37:47provide, a radical, liberating truth for his audience.
- 37:50Forgiveness and justification through Christ alone.
- 37:53Precisely. And he concluded with a solemn
- 37:55warning. He urged them to beware lest
- 37:57what was spoken by the prophets come upon them.
- 38:00A serious call to respond to this truth with earnestness,
- 38:03recognizing it's eternal consequences.
- 38:05Not a light appeal then. No, not a formula closing, but a
- 38:09potent, weighty appeal. This whole sermon was a
- 38:13convicting message deeply rooted in Old Testament history and
- 38:16prophecy. It presented A holistic picture
- 38:18of God's redemptive plan and logically called for belief in
- 38:21the reception of the gospel as God's ongoing saving work.
- 38:25It highlights a vital call for you, the listener, to cherish
- 38:28truth, to guard against cold or close hearts.
- 38:32It urges you to believe and then, out of genuine love for
- 38:35Christ, to be good and faithful evangelists in your own spheres
- 38:40of influence. A.
- 38:41Powerful models indeed. So, just to recap, we've
- 38:43surveyed the emerging church movement, understanding its
- 38:45context and historical societal shifts, and its desire to
- 38:49proactively shape culture driven by modern technology and
- 38:52centered on the principle of love.
- 38:54We also critically examine the Sinner's prayer as a practice
- 38:57lacking biblical precedent that can unfortunately lead to false
- 39:00assurance. Contrasting it with the true,
- 39:02subjective, and progressive nature of biblical assurance
- 39:04founded a pattern of obedience, progressive sanctification, and
- 39:08the indwelling spirit. And finally, we looked at that
- 39:10robust model of biblical evangelism exemplified in Acts
- 39:1313. It's been a rich discussion, and
- 39:16in a world of swift changes and shifting spiritual ideas, maybe
- 39:19here's something for you to consider.
- 39:20How might a clear understanding of God's sovereign hand in
- 39:24salvation and the church's true mission impact your
- 39:27participation in your local community?
- 39:29How might you show Christ's compassion while holding true to
- 39:32his unchanging word? What steps might you take to
- 39:35discern cultural trends from biblical commands in your
- 39:38Christian walk, applying some of the insights we've discussed
- 39:40today? Thank you for joining us for
- 39:42this deep dive. We look forward to your company
- 39:44next time on Reformed Thinking.