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Credlin | 23 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Kremlin Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to show. Here's what's coming up to
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Speaker 2: night on Kredlin. Reality bites for the Green Agenda and
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Speaker 2: New Southwal's labor forced to spend four hundred million plus
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Speaker 2: to extend the lifespan of the giant Ararring power station.
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Speaker 2: No signs of common sense though from other labor governments.
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Speaker 2: Alberanezi today pushing on with batteries in Victoria running.
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Speaker 3: Out of gas.
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Speaker 2: Well he's out of witness protection today. Immigration Minister Andrew Giles,
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Speaker 2: but he blames everyone when he fronted the cameras for
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Speaker 2: the latest installment in the detainee fiasco. Problem is the
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Speaker 2: Administrative Appeals Tribunal was merely following his ministerial direction. Plus
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Speaker 2: a bit later on, Tony Abbott will join me to
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Speaker 2: discuss the leadership vacuum we face as Australia becomes more
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Speaker 2: and more divided by global conflicts. Anthony Albanese is still
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Speaker 2: unable to make any distinction between the terrorist group HMAS
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Speaker 2: and the People's Government of Israel.
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Speaker 4: Not about to go into hypotheticals about things that have
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Speaker 4: not happened. Be very clear about what's happened here. There's
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Speaker 4: been an application, there's been no determination by the ICC
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Speaker 4: against any individual or anybody.
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Speaker 2: Week, Prime Minister, we'll come back to you with Tony Abbat,
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Speaker 2: but first it's now official as we knew it anyway.
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Speaker 2: But the politicians refuse to admit that we cannot keep
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Speaker 2: the lights on without keeping coal in our power grid.
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Speaker 2: Why else would you Southwal's taxpayers be contributing some two
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Speaker 2: hundred million a year to keep Vagina Raing Coalfi power
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Speaker 2: station open and going for at least another two years.
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Speaker 2: The fact that we need to keep Arring going past
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Speaker 2: the announced closure next year shows that claims about the
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Speaker 2: cheapness and reliability of wind and solar are, to put it, kindly, deeply,
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Speaker 2: deeply in plausible. Sure, the emission's obsessives and the renewable
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Speaker 2: junkies will say this is just to give more time
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Speaker 2: for renewable powered batteries and all the roll out to happen. Sure,
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Speaker 2: but can we ever have enough wind turbines and solar
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Speaker 2: panels or enough batteries to keep the lights on twenty
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Speaker 2: four to seven when wind only blows and the sun
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Speaker 2: only shines on average for thirty percent of the time,
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Speaker 2: and the biggest battery in the country, well that's in Adelaide.
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Speaker 2: It can't even keep that city going for more than
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Speaker 2: ten minutes on any practical measure.
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Speaker 3: It's a folly.
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Speaker 2: What's been announced is a belated admission of reality from
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales government and good on Premier Chris
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Speaker 2: Mins for mopping up the mess left by that liberal
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Speaker 2: and name only Matt Kean. Unlike Victorian Labor, New South
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Speaker 2: Wales are at least telling us how much they're going
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Speaker 2: to spend Victorian Labor. Well, they're also paying millions to
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Speaker 2: keep their coal fired power open and running, not telling
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Speaker 2: us how much that money is.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I am UK.
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Rishisuna called a snap election in what can
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Speaker 2: only be described as.
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Speaker 3: A train wreck of a press conference.
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Speaker 2: Now as Prime Minister, he gets to choose the date
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Speaker 2: and the time of the election announcement, same as here,
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Speaker 2: and campaign teams normally launch with a stage, set piece event,
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Speaker 2: a lot of hoopla. They're being pitched from the leader,
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Speaker 2: all the bells and whistles, and for reasons that no
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Speaker 2: one can really fathom, reasons that have made in the
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Speaker 2: laughing stock of the British press and perhaps amplify the
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Speaker 2: madness of going six months early sooner kicked off his
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Speaker 2: reelection being looking more like a drowned rat than a leader.
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Speaker 5: Only a conservative government led by me will not put
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Speaker 5: our hard earned economic stability at risk, can restore pride
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Speaker 5: and confidence in our country, and with a clear plan
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Speaker 5: and bold action, will deliver a secure future for you, your
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Speaker 5: family and our United Kingdom.
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Speaker 2: I mean, can't anyone in Downing Street raid a weather forecast?
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Speaker 2: Or was this a panic mover for fears he was
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Speaker 2: about to be rolled by his own party now completely
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Speaker 2: our classing him was the corresponding launch from Labor from
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Speaker 2: his opponent Kiirstama.
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Speaker 6: A change to change for the better, your future, your community,
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Speaker 6: your country. Now it will feel like a long campaign,
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Speaker 6: I'm sure of that, but no matter what else is
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Speaker 6: said and done, that opportunity for change is what this
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Speaker 6: election is about.
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Speaker 2: You got a lot that looked don't to where only
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Speaker 2: the national flag is behind the national leader and the
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Speaker 2: politicians and campaign Here in Australia, of course, British elections
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Speaker 2: are always relevant, first because UK politics is much like
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Speaker 2: our own, much more, i have to say, than perhaps
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Speaker 2: the American system, but also because Britain's a cultural cousin,
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Speaker 2: an important ally and a key global economy. The Morrison
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Speaker 2: Gavins trade deal with Britain the most comprehensive we've done
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Speaker 2: with any country other than New Zealand. Plus UCUS has
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Speaker 2: made the British relationship more important than it has been
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Speaker 2: for many.
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Speaker 3: Many years.
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Speaker 2: The British Labor government, well that's the overwhelming likely result
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Speaker 2: out of this election. If it eventuates, we'll give Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanesi is something of a solomate in Downing Street. The
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Speaker 2: Labor leader Starmer is running a very similar strategy to Albanizi.
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Speaker 3: In opposition.
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Speaker 2: He's promising he'll be safe, change is making soothing.
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Speaker 3: Noises to business.
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Speaker 2: He's trying to put Jeremy Corbyn's anti Semitic extremism behind
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Speaker 2: him and matching Tory pledges. Once but just like Australian labor,
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Speaker 2: British labor is run by the unions. It's instinctively pacifist,
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Speaker 2: it's climate obsessed, it's been weakened by an anti Jewish fringe,
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Speaker 2: and it's riven by identity politics. I'd like to be surprised,
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Speaker 2: but a Stama government, whatever it claims now, will almost
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Speaker 2: certainly expand Britain's already bloated bureaucracy, boost unproductive social spending,
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Speaker 2: failed to reform the National Health Service, talk about productivity
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Speaker 2: without actually lifting it, surrendered to transactivism and climate extremism,
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Speaker 2: and leave the military unprepared for our challenges ahead. Much
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Speaker 2: like here, British Prime Minister Issusner will be warning voters
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Speaker 2: about the risks of Labor.
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Speaker 5: To decide whether we want to build on the progress
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Speaker 5: we have made or risk going back to square one
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Speaker 5: with no plan and no certainty. Because I'm guided by
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Speaker 5: doing what is right for our country, not what is easy.
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Speaker 5: I can't say the same thing for the Labor Party,
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Speaker 5: and that's because they have no plan, there is no
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Speaker 5: bold action and as a result, the future can only
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Speaker 5: be uncertain with them. He has shown time and time
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Speaker 5: again that he will take the easy way out and
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Speaker 5: do anything to get power if he was happy to
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Speaker 5: abandon all the promises he made to become Labor leader
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Speaker 5: once he got the job.
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Speaker 2: But the UK electorate I think it's unlikely to overlook
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Speaker 2: his own size revolving door prime ministership, the failure of
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Speaker 2: the Tories to control both people coming across the channel
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Speaker 2: out of control legal migration too and skyrocketing coster are
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Speaker 2: living fueled by over alliance on renewables. Just because Starma
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Speaker 2: says Sunek would be a worse alternative, a British labor
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Speaker 2: government is likely to be bad from Britain and bad
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Speaker 2: for the wider world. But that's what we're almost certainly
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Speaker 2: going to get after fourteen years and often disappointing and
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Speaker 2: mostly mediocre Conservative party that got Brexit done but then
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Speaker 2: didn't capitalize on it at all and properly cut ties
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Speaker 2: with the EU overseas. Just like here in Australia, strong
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Speaker 2: conservative governments move the whole political spectrum to the right,
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Speaker 2: but weak ones they allow everything to drift to the
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Speaker 2: left and they make the next labor government even worse.
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Speaker 2: Back here at home, the obn Easy government says it
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Speaker 2: wants to lower immigration, but it hasn't really said how,
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Speaker 2: and nothing it's tried to date has actually worked well.
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Speaker 2: If it has really tried, that's the question. I don't
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Speaker 2: know that it has. The problem is right now our
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Speaker 2: immigration systems being driven by the education providers who are
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Speaker 2: using overseas students as a cash cow, and the federal
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Speaker 2: government is not in control as they should be about
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Speaker 2: fifty percent of net overseas migration, so almost a million
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Speaker 2: people over the past two years at all time record
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Speaker 2: are foreign students, all of whom need a home, a job,
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Speaker 2: and a means to get around. Alarmed at immigration's impact
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Speaker 2: on cost of living, the government last year cut approval
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Speaker 2: rates on education visas from ninety percent to eighty percent.
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Speaker 2: That's going to make hardly a dent on foreign student numbers. Today,
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Speaker 2: it's reported that overseas student numbers for the first semester
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Speaker 2: of this year are actually higher than last year. There
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Speaker 2: are up by seventeen percent and with over one hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand Chinese students at our most elite universities, the group
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Speaker 2: of universities known as the Group of Eight.
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Speaker 3: At Sydney University it's in the Group of Eight.
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Speaker 2: Overseas students there, mostly Chinese, are almost half the total
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Speaker 2: enrollment in last year's budget. Last week's budget, big your
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Speaker 2: pardon that the government said it would negotiate caps on
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Speaker 2: student numbers, but that it would be more generous to
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Speaker 2: institutions that developed student housing. Even though all that extra
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Speaker 2: accommodation that'll be years away, and despite promising lower immigration,
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Speaker 2: the budget still forecasts an additional one point seven million
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Speaker 2: migrants over the next five years, and that's more than
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Speaker 2: the population of Adelaide and almost the population of Canberra
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Speaker 2: every single year. Labour's not cutting migration. It's all a
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Speaker 2: massive conjob because they're finally realized their bigg Australia push
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Speaker 2: is politically toxic on the liberal side. Peter Dutton made
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Speaker 2: big cuts to immigration the centerpiece of his budget reply.
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Speaker 3: He's also flagged.
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Speaker 2: Hard caps on overseas student numbers and the universities won't
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Speaker 2: like it. This is a fight we have to have
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Speaker 2: because migration must be brought back under control. The fact
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Speaker 2: that the left are so angry, Labor Party, the university's
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Speaker 2: even the ABC that says to be that Dutton is
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Speaker 2: on the right track, all right. Treaty macintoshed in Camber
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Speaker 2: Now with the headlines.
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Speaker 7: The Immigration Minister insists he tried to stop the release
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Speaker 7: of a man from immigration to tention who's now been
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Speaker 7: charged with murder.
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Speaker 8: We very strongly argued against his visa which was canceled
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Speaker 8: being revoked.
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Speaker 7: Emmanuel Saki had his visa reinstated by the Administrative Appeals
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Speaker 7: Tribunal just seven weeks later. He was charged with murder.
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Speaker 3: Why would they even let somebody out like that with
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Speaker 3: no restrictions.
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Speaker 7: The opposition argues the Immigration Minister contributed to the man's
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Speaker 7: release by directing the tribunal to consider how long someone
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Speaker 7: has lived in Australia and then failing to appeal to
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Speaker 7: the Federal Court.
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Speaker 9: Why didn't he intervene when the AAT made the decision?
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister wouldn't be drawn on whether Australia should
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Speaker 7: even consider the prospect of leaving the International Criminal Court.
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Speaker 4: They have not made a decision.
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Speaker 7: Peter Dutton has taken aim at the PM all week
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Speaker 7: for failing to back Joe Biden's condemnation of the ICC
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Speaker 7: for seeking arrest warrants for Israeli leaders alongside her mass.
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Speaker 9: The ICC should reverse their decision and the Prime Minister
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Speaker 9: should come out today to call for that.
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Speaker 4: Not about to go into hypatheticals about things that have
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Speaker 4: not happened.
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Speaker 7: And Australia's largest coal fired power plant has been thrown
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Speaker 7: a lifeline. Arah Ring in the New South Wales Hunter
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Speaker 7: Region will remain in operation for another two years. To
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Speaker 7: fill supply gaps between now and twenty twenty seven.
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Speaker 9: We have to keep the lights on and prices down.
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Speaker 8: I think the New South Wales government has done a
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Speaker 8: good job in negotiating.
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Speaker 9: That, and it is unjustifiable to use public funds to
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Speaker 9: prop up coal.
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Speaker 7: Two Labor premiers have vowed to oppose the coalition's proposal
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Speaker 7: to build nuclear power plants across the nation. The sites
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Speaker 7: are yet to be confirmed, but leaked tails this morning
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Speaker 7: listed Collie in Western Australia as a possibility.
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Speaker 10: No one in Collie wants to see a nuclear power station.
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Speaker 7: Angle See and Victoria also on the list. Nuclear energy
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Speaker 7: will never be part of the mix here under a
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Speaker 7: Victorian Labor government. Dan Teen denies his seat will host
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Speaker 7: a reactor as Peter Dutton defends his nuclear push.
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Speaker 9: I want cheaper electricity for Australians. I want consistent power.
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Speaker 10: If you're so proud of his policy, you would have
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Speaker 10: are released by now.
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Speaker 7: Trudy McIntosh, Sky News, Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Right, we're going to cross those headlines now, joining me
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Speaker 2: a media writer for The Australian, Sophie Ellsworth and the
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Speaker 2: Deputy Executive director of the Institute of Public Affairs Daniel
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Speaker 2: wild Well. Immigration Minister Andrew Giles. At least in front
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Speaker 2: of the cameras today. That was at least a start,
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Speaker 2: isn't it, But not taking responsibility for his continued in competence.
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Speaker 3: It was all everyone else's fault.
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Speaker 8: The AAT made a decision to overturn it, and they
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Speaker 8: did so notwithstanding the directions which put a very high
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Speaker 8: priority on community safety.
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Speaker 9: There's no sense in the Prime Minister and Andrew Giles
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Speaker 9: blaming the AAT. The AAT you can only abide by
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Speaker 9: the laws in front of them, and the government watered
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Speaker 9: down the character test and it's meant that this individual
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Speaker 9: has been released back out into the community.
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Speaker 2: Dan also involved in all of this mess. Today we
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Speaker 2: had reports of another released attainee and a crime spree
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Speaker 2: across Melbourne, including the assault of an emergency services worker.
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Speaker 3: I can't understand how this blokes in his job.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Bronwin Bishop loses her position after spending five
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars inside entailments, but outside the pub test, this
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Speaker 2: guy's putting lives at risk. You know there's allegations here.
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Speaker 2: We know they've got to be tested in court that
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Speaker 2: some of these people released have murdered others again every
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Speaker 2: day that he is there. It's now a problem for
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Speaker 2: the Prime minister. It's about the Prime minister's judgment.
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Speaker 3: In my view, you're right, Peter.
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Speaker 1: The buck stops with the Prime minister. This goes to
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Speaker 1: the point that nobody is in control of our migration system,
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Speaker 1: whether it's the detainees, whether it's the mass migration program,
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Speaker 1: whether it's the student intake. Nobody from the government is
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Speaker 1: taking control. They're fobbing it off to a tribunal. The
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister is refusing to take responsibility. It goes to
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Speaker 1: the point that Anthony Alberzi is a ceremonial leader, not
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Speaker 1: a national leader. He likes the position of the office,
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Speaker 1: but he doesn't take responsibility for decisions. It's inevitable that
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Speaker 1: Andrew Giles is going to be heading to the back
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Speaker 1: bench in the not too distant future.
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Speaker 2: Well, I hope, so maybe it doesn't come back from
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Speaker 2: the back bench. But I mean again, I think it
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Speaker 2: just goes to a confidence people having the prime minister.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you can't take the tough decision to
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Speaker 2: sack a mate, you're not up to the job of
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Speaker 2: prime minister.
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Speaker 3: Well that's it.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, and the Australians have seen this over
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Speaker 1: the last two years. The voice to Parliament was the
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Speaker 1: start of the concerns that Australians would have, where Anthony
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Speaker 1: Albernizi refused to stand up to the activists. He kept
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Speaker 1: going along with the voice because the activists were pushing it.
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Speaker 1: We're seeing with the energy system where they're being pushed
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Speaker 1: by the Green left. He's simply not in control of
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Speaker 1: what these ministers are doing. He's never been one for details.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't understand the details, he doesn't care for them. Now,
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Speaker 1: that's fine if you're getting the big decisions right like
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Speaker 1: Bob Hawk did. But he's not getting the big decisions
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Speaker 1: right and now there's an absolute mess.
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Speaker 2: So Joles was asked a pretty blunt question today that
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Speaker 2: at the press conference, have a listen.
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Speaker 7: Given the bashing of perk grandmother Nannette Simmons and now
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Speaker 7: this alleged murder, why should you.
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Speaker 4: Keep your job?
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Speaker 8: Well, I'm determined to keep working hard in response to
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Speaker 8: firstly the matters that relate to the High Court decision
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Speaker 8: last year, to ensure that we continue to put in
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Speaker 8: place all of those.
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Speaker 11: Mechanisms, strong laws.
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Speaker 8: And very significant resourcing a quarter of a bigion dollars
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Speaker 8: to ensure that our trusted law enforcement officials can do
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Speaker 8: their job to keep the community safe. That is my
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Speaker 8: focus and it will continue to be my focus.
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Speaker 2: Now two things there, I'll observe one that looks like
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Speaker 2: a hostage video doesn't have it, absolutely looks like he's
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Speaker 2: under pressure. Secondly, they chose to to Bendigo today for
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Speaker 2: that press conference. They want to avoid the Melbourne Gallery.
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Speaker 2: They want to avoid the camera press gallery hoping, you know,
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Speaker 2: a couple of country journos might let him get off
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Speaker 2: the hook. To their credit, they didn't. But community safety
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Speaker 2: is not his focus.
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Speaker 12: Peter I would say that Minister Giles is not a
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Speaker 12: good media performer, and this is why we haven't seen
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Speaker 12: a lot of him out in front of press packs
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Speaker 12: because he would probably get eaten alive by the media.
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Speaker 3: And Nannette Simmons.
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Speaker 12: The you know, the face of her. Everyone knows what
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Speaker 12: she looked like after this horrifying attack and how he's
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Speaker 12: kept his job.
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Speaker 2: Who would know for one hundred million dollars to be
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Speaker 2: mugged with the reality that we've got to keep a
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Speaker 2: rah in going, I mean blind and Freddi could have
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Speaker 2: told them that years ago. But this is where we
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Speaker 2: are all credit to Chris Min's put the number on
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Speaker 2: the table. He's mopping up the mess left by I
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Speaker 2: call him the liberal in name only, Matt Kean. We're
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Speaker 2: spending plenty of money in Victoria to keep cole going
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 3: We're running out of gas. We don't know how much
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Speaker 3: we're spending on coal in Victoria, do No, we don't.
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Speaker 1: There's only two political leaders that understand the problem of
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Speaker 1: the energy system and I'm wanting to fix it, Chris
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Speaker 1: Mins and Peter Dutton. And Chris Mins has taken a
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Speaker 1: decision that's in the national interest. He's had to stare
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Speaker 1: down the left of his party. He hasn't quite said
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Speaker 1: that net zero doesn't work, but he's showing it with
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Speaker 1: his actions. What's interesting politically, Peter is you've got a
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Speaker 1: labor leader in Peter Madilaskus who wants nuclear. You've got
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Speaker 1: a labor leader and Chris Mins who's saying we're going
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Speaker 1: to keep cole going. Col is going to keep going
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Speaker 1: in Victoria. The coal is should now have a real
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Speaker 1: opportunity with the permission structure that's been given to them.
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Speaker 1: In the medium term, we know it's going to be
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Speaker 1: cole and gas that's going to keep the energy system
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Speaker 1: going until we get to a nuclear powered situation. Peter
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Speaker 1: Dutton has shown real leadership in having the debate. But
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Speaker 1: what this shows, Peter is that Chris Mins has shown
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Speaker 1: up his federal colleagues in Anthony Albernezi and Chris Bowen,
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Speaker 1: who are doubling down on a failed strategy. Good on
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Speaker 1: Chris Means for confronting reality and saying we've got to
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Speaker 1: keep cold going be Peter.
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Speaker 2: Peter Costello today Gezy didn't miss I mean, look at
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Speaker 2: his record as Treasurer, eleven years in the job, consecutive
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Speaker 2: surplus budgets paid off, completely pays off Australia's national debt.
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Speaker 2: He says that the inflation risk in the budget is real.
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Speaker 2: It's there. He says, it's inflationary on every measure. That's
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Speaker 2: also what the economists are saying. Meaning if there is
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Speaker 2: an increase in our rates, if the RBA says, hang on,
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Speaker 2: we've got to go back to increasing rates.
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Speaker 3: This is getting out of control.
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Speaker 2: We can rightly blame Jim Chalmers for every hike in
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Speaker 2: our mortgage, can't we.
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Speaker 12: Well, Peter, I think we're up to thirteen hikes now
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Speaker 12: since we've started on that upward spiral of rate hikes,
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Speaker 12: and this is a disaster if we have more rate hikes. Already,
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Speaker 12: people are doing it so tough, and I think mister
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Speaker 12: Costello made some very good points. But Jim Chalmers is
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Speaker 12: saying that in flo should get down to under three percent.
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Speaker 12: Now that all sounds great by the end of the year.
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Speaker 12: That all sounds great, But let's see if it can happen.
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Speaker 12: And if there are more rate rises, Heaven help those
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Speaker 12: mortgage holders out in the suburbs who are already battling
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Speaker 12: and peter just with things like fuel prices.
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Speaker 3: They are so exorbitant. This is really.
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Speaker 12: Going to hurt and it may hurt them at the polls.
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Speaker 3: Talk to me about labors, weasel words on migration.
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Speaker 2: I mean they get it. They get the big Australia.
20:29
Speaker 2: Now it's politically toxic. So they're out there saying that
20:31
Speaker 2: they're going to cut the numbers and they're going in
20:33
Speaker 2: the right direction, only they're not right. They revise them
20:36
Speaker 2: up in the budget forecasts for this financial year. And
20:40
Speaker 2: we find out today that rather than cutting down on
20:42
Speaker 2: student visas, we've gone up by seventeen percent in the
20:46
Speaker 2: first semester this year. Some one hundred thousand Chinese students.
20:50
Speaker 2: Any of other nationalities too, but one hundred thousand Chinese
20:54
Speaker 2: in our universities at the time.
20:55
Speaker 3: We've got a lot of concerns about China.
20:57
Speaker 1: Dan, Well, it goes to the point we're just talking about,
21:00
Speaker 1: which is Labour doesn't run it. So in migration policy,
21:02
Speaker 1: it's migration policy is set by the universities who loved
21:05
Speaker 1: the international students because it lines the pockets of the
21:08
Speaker 1: vice chancellors yep and the apparachics, and big business loves
21:12
Speaker 1: it because it suppresses wages that they don't have to
21:14
Speaker 1: train Australian workers. So Labour's not controlling its migration policy.
21:18
Speaker 1: Nobody from universities or big business has explained to me
21:21
Speaker 1: if migration, if mass migration is so good, why are
21:24
Speaker 1: Australians getting poorer? Why is per capita growth going backwards
21:28
Speaker 1: four quarters in a row of negative per capita growth.
21:31
Speaker 1: The last time that happened was in the early nineteen eighties,
21:34
Speaker 1: in the middle of a global recession. If you cut
21:37
Speaker 1: the international student numbers, of course the universities are going
21:40
Speaker 1: to be upset. But even the government's own Migration review,
21:43
Speaker 1: released in December last year, said the benefits of international
21:46
Speaker 1: education go to universities, not to the community.
21:50
Speaker 2: Now we've got a bit of travails in media land,
21:54
Speaker 2: in commercial media land, haven't we. We had that focus
21:58
Speaker 2: a little while back on Channel seven, caught up in
22:00
Speaker 2: a whole lot of stuff around the Bruce Lehmon trial.
22:03
Speaker 2: But now there's trouble at Channel nine. What's going on there?
22:06
Speaker 12: Well, Peter, this is a disaster for Channel nine, following
22:09
Speaker 12: on from the stories this week the exit of their
22:12
Speaker 12: news boss Darren Wick. There's now been allegations about his
22:15
Speaker 12: conduct while he was in his role. Now he's the
22:19
Speaker 12: most senior news executive, or was until he departed in March.
22:24
Speaker 12: I will have more details about this in The Australian tomorrow.
22:27
Speaker 12: But yesterday nine held an emergency meeting with their Director
22:31
Speaker 12: of TV Michael Healy, their director of Communications Victoria Bucken.
22:36
Speaker 12: And from that meeting, arising from all these complaints or
22:41
Speaker 12: allegations relating to him, should I say there's been concern
22:46
Speaker 12: within nine that they are not taking this seriously. Now
22:49
Speaker 12: they have come out Mike Sneezeby, the CEO, has come
22:52
Speaker 12: out and said if there's any inappropriate conduct reported, But Peter,
22:56
Speaker 12: people in there are saying why didn't we know about
22:59
Speaker 12: this earlier? Is only through our reporting that this has
23:03
Speaker 12: come to lie?
23:04
Speaker 2: Is it just weak though, or is it a toxic
23:06
Speaker 2: culture of say the blokes at nine? Is its renowned
23:11
Speaker 2: as being a bloky sort of network?
23:13
Speaker 3: Is it beyond him? Is it deeper than him?
23:17
Speaker 12: Well, there's claims that it could be through the network
23:20
Speaker 12: in terms of the conduct Hattening, in terms of the
23:23
Speaker 12: treatment of women, there's a lot of people speaking, but
23:26
Speaker 12: Peter rightly so they're too scared to come out and
23:28
Speaker 12: speak publicly and be identified, you know, for fear that
23:32
Speaker 12: their careers could be impacted. But there's much more to
23:35
Speaker 12: come on this and we'll have more details in the
23:36
Speaker 12: Australian tomorrow.
23:38
Speaker 2: Well, these are the journalists either they put their foot
23:40
Speaker 2: in the door and they get everyone's face and expose
23:42
Speaker 2: all the stories. And now they're on the other side
23:44
Speaker 2: of the argument that thank you both all. Right after
23:46
Speaker 2: the break, we're going to go live to London. The
23:49
Speaker 2: UK gearing up for general election. It looks like it's
23:51
Speaker 2: going to be a wipeout.
23:52
Speaker 3: For the Tories. Are there are lessons here for Australia plants?
23:55
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott a bit later on, we'll get his judgment
23:59
Speaker 2: the Anthony Albanese's lack of political courage and his unwillingness
24:04
Speaker 2: to defend Israel.
24:09
Speaker 3: Welcome back still come.
24:10
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott will weigh in on the leadership vacuum we're
24:13
Speaker 2: facing here in Australia. But first big news out of
24:16
Speaker 2: the UK overnight besieged PM Richie Sunak calling a snap
24:21
Speaker 2: and early election for the fourth of July. Now I've
24:24
Speaker 2: been around campaigns, this one from the Conservatives.
24:27
Speaker 3: I have to tell you.
24:28
Speaker 2: Off to a horrid stat Look at this. I can't
24:31
Speaker 2: even get the bloke an umbrella.
24:33
Speaker 5: This is proof that the plan and priorities I set
24:36
Speaker 5: out are working. I recognize that it has not always
24:40
Speaker 5: been easy. Some of you will only just be starting
24:43
Speaker 5: to feel the benefits, and for some it might still
24:46
Speaker 5: be hard when you look at your bank balance.
24:49
Speaker 2: Now it's worth thirty That fake music in here in
24:51
Speaker 2: the background was the song things can Only Get Better,
24:56
Speaker 2: which of course was the big anthem of Tony Billier's campaign.
25:00
Speaker 3: So, rather than being.
25:01
Speaker 2: Surrounded by Conservative supporters, Sooner had the fate hum of
25:06
Speaker 2: a labor adopted tune for his part, Kiss Darma. He
25:09
Speaker 2: wants to make clear that Labor Hardy has left behind
25:12
Speaker 2: the Jeremy Corbyn years and is now a party that
25:15
Speaker 2: mainstream voters can support.
25:18
Speaker 6: Over the course of the last four years, we've changed
25:22
Speaker 6: the Labor Party, returned it once more to the service
25:27
Speaker 6: of working people. All we ask now, humbly, is to
25:34
Speaker 6: do exactly the same for our country and return Britain
25:38
Speaker 6: to the service of working people.
25:42
Speaker 2: Joining me in Our Life from London for their take
25:44
Speaker 2: on a bit of a messy start to the campaign's
25:47
Speaker 2: Fight online editor Tom Slater and former Victorian MP now
25:51
Speaker 2: based in the UK, Tim Smith, Well, welcome, gentlemen to
25:54
Speaker 2: I'm going to start with you just just the optics
25:57
Speaker 2: of this shock announcement from Sunak. I mean, they've got
26:00
Speaker 2: six months to run on their term. It's always a
26:03
Speaker 2: bit wobbly when a government goes early.
26:05
Speaker 3: They've gone early, but ches at the waste.
26:07
Speaker 2: They didn't sort of set it up as well as
26:09
Speaker 2: they should have. I mean they've just finished spending untold
26:14
Speaker 2: millions and dollars on this new comms center.
26:17
Speaker 3: At Downing Street.
26:19
Speaker 2: Why on earth didn't they use it when they knew
26:21
Speaker 2: it was going to be so wet.
26:24
Speaker 11: It's incredible.
26:25
Speaker 13: I mean that launch couldn't have gone any worse for
26:27
Speaker 13: the Tories if kids Starmer had scripted it himself. The
26:30
Speaker 13: fact that it was held out in the torrential rain,
26:32
Speaker 13: the fact that there wasn't even anyone offering an umbrella,
26:35
Speaker 13: and also the fact that, as you suggest, they have
26:37
Speaker 13: spent an awful lot of money on this very swish,
26:39
Speaker 13: kind of US style briefing room inside Number ten Downing Street,
26:43
Speaker 13: and yet they decided to leave it alone for that
26:45
Speaker 13: particular And I think this kind of sums up a
26:47
Speaker 13: lot of what has happened between Starmer and Soonap in
26:50
Speaker 13: recent years is the fact that.
26:52
Speaker 11: They've made it very easy for Starmer.
26:53
Speaker 13: In this case, all he had to do was stand
26:55
Speaker 13: in the dry and look relatively presentable, and he already
26:58
Speaker 13: felt like he was at a better start at the campaign.
27:00
Speaker 13: But another example of the Tories giving Labor an open goal,
27:03
Speaker 13: I think at the beginning of this campaign.
27:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the one thing the Toys control is the
27:09
Speaker 2: timing of the election. They are the incumbents. I said
27:12
Speaker 2: at the top of the show, it's exactly like is
27:14
Speaker 2: in Australia. But they've just basically thrown away that trump card.
27:18
Speaker 2: They've made themselves a mockery. They didn't need to go early.
27:22
Speaker 2: I'm told by contexts over there that there was a
27:24
Speaker 2: worry about the nineteen twenty two committee, that they that
27:27
Speaker 2: they had the numbers to roll Sunek. How real do
27:30
Speaker 2: you think that rumor is?
27:33
Speaker 13: I think it could easily be the case. The party
27:36
Speaker 13: is very sort of restive. It's either restive or resigned.
27:39
Speaker 13: There's a kind of the two camps that you notice.
27:41
Speaker 13: I think the other thing they were concerned about is
27:43
Speaker 13: that there have been a number now of high profile
27:45
Speaker 13: defections direct Tory to Labor, not lessari it was high
27:49
Speaker 13: profile individuals, but certainly big news stories. And it seems
27:52
Speaker 13: like going from the reporting this morning, that there was
27:54
Speaker 13: a concern that essentially there would be appeared to be
27:58
Speaker 13: clinging on kind of Gordon Round style to the number
28:02
Speaker 13: ten Downing Street. And also a kind of sense that
28:05
Speaker 13: whilst for many months there was a hope that just
28:07
Speaker 13: the political weather might change, that the economy might actually
28:11
Speaker 13: start to be better in a way that's actually felt
28:13
Speaker 13: boldinary citizens, but they came to the conclusion that things
28:17
Speaker 13: could quite easily get worse, and I like you questioning
28:21
Speaker 13: the wisdom of going this earlier.
28:22
Speaker 11: I think a lot of his cabinet do as well.
28:24
Speaker 13: But at the same time it's a tricky situation where
28:28
Speaker 13: it wasn't clear what their strategy was to really turn
28:30
Speaker 13: it around. This has only ever really been about stemming
28:32
Speaker 13: the losses.
28:35
Speaker 3: The Poles have.
28:36
Speaker 2: Got Labor in some of the Poles at least with
28:38
Speaker 2: a twenty point lan Now that's messy, but I was
28:41
Speaker 2: looking around at as some stats today, Labor will need
28:44
Speaker 2: a twelve point seven percent suite to get a majority.
28:47
Speaker 2: Now they put that in perspective, that is bigger than
28:49
Speaker 2: Blair got in ninety seven, and Starmer is no Blair, right,
28:57
Speaker 2: it is not Blair. So can he get there with
29:00
Speaker 2: a majority. Let's assume he gets it, But can he
29:03
Speaker 2: get there with a majority or will we get there
29:05
Speaker 2: and be in minority?
29:07
Speaker 13: I think that's very much an open question because you're
29:09
Speaker 13: absolutely right. Not only do the average kind of twenty
29:12
Speaker 13: point leads mask the significant hurdle they need to overcome
29:17
Speaker 13: to actually get into majority territory, it's also a lead
29:19
Speaker 13: that is clearly very soft. No one is enthusiastic for
29:23
Speaker 13: Kirstarmer outside of Westminster. Effectively, he's someone who the country
29:27
Speaker 13: when you look at polls and surveys, they don't really
29:29
Speaker 13: know what he stands for. And there's a sense that
29:32
Speaker 13: the Tories have had their day and that they need
29:34
Speaker 13: to be turfed out. But no one is enthusiastic for
29:37
Speaker 13: the Labour offer. And also, I think, most crucially because
29:39
Speaker 13: of the fact that the last election was very much
29:41
Speaker 13: decided by many former Labor voters going over to Conservatives,
29:44
Speaker 13: those voters are not really going back in the other direction.
29:47
Speaker 13: Voters are moving out of the Conservative column, but they're
29:49
Speaker 13: going primarily to don't know, some to Reform and a
29:53
Speaker 13: slither essentially to Labor. So I think the chances being
29:56
Speaker 13: more like a minority government or a hung Parliament are
29:59
Speaker 13: much more likely than we've But that being said, it
30:01
Speaker 13: does feel like everything's to play for at this point.
30:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's a long campaign, six weeks. Anything could happen.
30:08
Speaker 2: Hey Is Starmer said in his pitch that the party of.
30:11
Speaker 3: Jeremy Corbyn is long gone.
30:12
Speaker 2: He's purged the anti semitism of Corbyn. But those election
30:18
Speaker 2: council results know onely amount of weeks ago, Labor lost
30:22
Speaker 2: votes to a lot of pro Palestinian candidates. George Galloway's
30:27
Speaker 2: influence obviously is there. We've got all those pro Palestinian
30:31
Speaker 2: rallies that we're seeing here in Australia on the streets
30:33
Speaker 2: of London.
30:33
Speaker 3: How's this all going to play out?
30:36
Speaker 13: I think this is something which is could going to
30:39
Speaker 13: potentially bite kets Arm in particular constituencies. Is it going
30:42
Speaker 13: to affect him in the overall electoral map. Probably not
30:44
Speaker 13: to the same extent. But I think he's a reminder
30:47
Speaker 13: that whilst he might have got rid of Jeremy Corbyn,
30:49
Speaker 13: who's going to be standing an independent in this election,
30:53
Speaker 13: and whilst he might have cleared out a few kind
30:54
Speaker 13: of Labour counselors, there is that there was a broader
30:56
Speaker 13: problem with a kind of Israelophobia to anti Semitism within
31:00
Speaker 13: sections of.
31:00
Speaker 11: His coalition which they have been ignoring.
31:03
Speaker 13: And it's been quite shocking actually in recent days seeing
31:06
Speaker 13: Labor Party figures backing the ICC's ridiculous arrest warrants against
31:10
Speaker 13: the Israeli government, and you're quite it's quite clear that
31:13
Speaker 13: they're trying to sort of triangulate on the issue of
31:16
Speaker 13: Israel and whilst trying to make clear that they have
31:18
Speaker 13: no room for anti Semitism. But as we all know
31:20
Speaker 13: those two things are intimately bound up these days.
31:23
Speaker 11: So I don't think it's something.
31:24
Speaker 13: That could cost him in the broad picture electorally, but
31:27
Speaker 13: certainly in a few seats and certainly will be an
31:29
Speaker 13: ongoing challenge for him in terms of holding his coalition together.
31:34
Speaker 2: I think it'll also be a distraction for him. I
31:36
Speaker 2: mean these sorts of things. If there's an outspoken comment
31:38
Speaker 2: coming into the media frame on any given day, I'm
31:41
Speaker 2: going to just do Rail's campaigns.
31:44
Speaker 3: He's then on the defensive.
31:45
Speaker 2: He's not talking to sort of you know, Middle Britain anymore.
31:49
Speaker 2: He's out on the fringes, and that's what he wants
31:51
Speaker 2: to try and avoid. Talk to me about Nigel Frag's
31:54
Speaker 2: Reform Party.
31:55
Speaker 11: I know.
31:55
Speaker 3: Also there's the specter of.
31:57
Speaker 2: Boris Johnson and his Tory influence, and I guess that
32:00
Speaker 2: the ramifications of where the wall goes to assume the
32:03
Speaker 2: red wall he delivered at his last election falls again.
32:08
Speaker 2: You know, is it going to go to labor? Is
32:10
Speaker 2: it going to go somewhere else? But let's start with Farage.
32:15
Speaker 13: Yes, absolutely, I think he could be incredibly decisive if
32:18
Speaker 13: he decides to jump back into frontline politics. So he's
32:21
Speaker 13: nominally the kind of chairm and the kind of honorary
32:24
Speaker 13: figurehead of the Reform Party, but he's not really involved
32:26
Speaker 13: in the front line. Their leader, Richard Tice, is a
32:28
Speaker 13: lot lower profile. That being said, they did pretty well
32:31
Speaker 13: in the local elections recently. They pushed the Tories into
32:35
Speaker 13: third place in a lot of local council elections as
32:38
Speaker 13: well as coming a very close third excuse me, in
32:41
Speaker 13: the Blackpool south by election.
32:43
Speaker 11: But I think that the X.
32:44
Speaker 13: Factor, the missing ingredient here is Faraje himself, because try
32:47
Speaker 13: as they might the Reform Party, since Farag's kind of
32:50
Speaker 13: stepped back to go more into media, to go more
32:52
Speaker 13: into those kinds of ventures, they have struggled to find
32:55
Speaker 13: that kind of communicator, that kind of person who has
32:58
Speaker 13: that element of the common touch that he certainly does have,
33:00
Speaker 13: and I think with it they could be incredibly decisive.
33:03
Speaker 11: Without it, they're still going to do a lot of
33:04
Speaker 11: damage to the Tories, though.
33:08
Speaker 2: We have a saying in Australia, you know you're gone
33:11
Speaker 2: when you can sense that the voter's got the baseball
33:14
Speaker 2: bat on the front porch waiting for you, just can't
33:17
Speaker 2: wait to get rid of you. And in Australia at least,
33:20
Speaker 2: they do not like being sent to the polls early.
33:23
Speaker 3: You have five year terms.
33:24
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit different over there. We
33:26
Speaker 2: have three year terms and when you have to go
33:27
Speaker 2: back early, it's pretty bloody early. What's the mood of
33:31
Speaker 2: the population now that there has been an early election called?
33:34
Speaker 3: Are they thankful that.
33:36
Speaker 2: Now they can get rid of a bad government or
33:38
Speaker 2: are they cranky that being sent to the polls or
33:40
Speaker 2: they said there's no enthusiasm really out there for labor.
33:44
Speaker 3: What's the mood like?
33:46
Speaker 13: I think it's very damp, and not just literally in
33:49
Speaker 13: terms of soon. That's press conference last night. It's been
33:51
Speaker 13: quite rainy here recently.
33:52
Speaker 11: It's just the.
33:52
Speaker 13: Fact that there's a sense that, quite understanding, not much
33:55
Speaker 13: is really up for grabs. People are really frustrated with
33:57
Speaker 13: the Conservatives, particularly those who took a chance on them
33:59
Speaker 13: into a nineteen who had never voted for them before.
34:02
Speaker 13: But Noe's enthusiastic for Starma and also no one really
34:05
Speaker 13: thinks there's much difference between these two parties at this point.
34:08
Speaker 11: It does feel like.
34:09
Speaker 13: We've gone back to the kind of factory reset setting
34:12
Speaker 13: of British politics as it was up until Brexit, which
34:15
Speaker 13: is that you have two parties who are more or
34:17
Speaker 13: less dancing on the head of a pin, not really
34:19
Speaker 13: any big debates in society, or at least ones that
34:21
Speaker 13: are not taking particularly strong positions on and I think
34:23
Speaker 13: we saw that reflected in the local and recent by
34:26
Speaker 13: elections where you had whilst there was supposedly historic swings
34:29
Speaker 13: towards labor, that was in the context of quite historic
34:31
Speaker 13: low turnout as well. So I think the public is
34:34
Speaker 13: generally demoralized. I think they're up for giving the Conservatives.
34:37
Speaker 11: And a kicking, but not much beyond that. It feels like.
34:41
Speaker 3: We're going to watch it all very closely.
34:43
Speaker 2: Here from Australia and on the Credline Show, Tom Slady,
34:46
Speaker 2: thanks for your time. We had trouble there as you
34:48
Speaker 2: can see connecting Tim Smith, but we will talk to
34:50
Speaker 2: him during the campaign. After the break, Attorney Abbott joins
34:53
Speaker 2: me for his take on a lack of leadership we're
34:56
Speaker 2: seeing from the Prime Minister and his government. Plus election
35:00
Speaker 2: battleground over immigration numbers isn't just about the economy, it's
35:04
Speaker 2: also the national identity we want to have as Australians.
35:13
Speaker 2: Welcome back Stortter, Cam Nicole Flint. James Ashby will talk
35:17
Speaker 2: well about the disarray of the Republican movement. Another big
35:19
Speaker 2: resignation today good news for people like me who like.
35:23
Speaker 3: The way the things are now.
35:25
Speaker 2: But first, it's clear that the world's becoming a more
35:27
Speaker 2: worrying place. China or they've been on the march for years,
35:30
Speaker 2: but they're growing more bellicosts. In our region, Ukraine, they
35:34
Speaker 2: have been fighting for freedom, our freedom too, for over
35:37
Speaker 2: the past couple of years. And then on October seven,
35:40
Speaker 2: what happened has divided the globe. Not just domestically, of course,
35:44
Speaker 2: It's divided the globe in a way I thought I'd
35:47
Speaker 2: never seen in my lifetime. Granted, the Australian government can't
35:51
Speaker 2: control international conflicts, I get that, but it can show
35:54
Speaker 2: decisiveness domestically. Sadly at the moment, as I said in
35:58
Speaker 2: my column today over the issue of the Internet n
36:00
Speaker 2: actual criminal court. This is in The Australian and I
36:02
Speaker 2: wrote that Anthony Albinezi has confirmed he's out of his
36:05
Speaker 2: depth as Prime Minister. He lacks the judgment, character and
36:09
Speaker 2: intellectual heft to grapple with the complex challenges of these times.
36:14
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this, former Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Tony,
36:19
Speaker 2: this isn't a lament. I have to say we all want,
36:22
Speaker 2: even if we don't vote for them, we want our
36:24
Speaker 2: prime ministers to succeed. We want them to do what's
36:28
Speaker 2: in the national interest. I'll get to the specifics of
36:31
Speaker 2: that court action in a moment, but set the scene
36:34
Speaker 2: for us, because I know you do a lot overseas.
36:37
Speaker 3: The world is a troubling place at the moment, isn't it.
36:42
Speaker 10: Look there are dictators on the march. There's the militarist
36:46
Speaker 10: dictatorship in Russia. There's the Islamist dictatorship in Iran, there's
36:51
Speaker 10: the communist dictatorship in Beijing. They are on the march.
36:57
Speaker 10: They are threatening to bend the Pax Americana, which has
37:03
Speaker 10: basically given the world the best times in human history.
37:09
Speaker 10: Weakness is provocative, and that's why it's very important that
37:13
Speaker 10: countries like ours recover our military, our industrial and above
37:18
Speaker 10: all else, our cultural strength as quickly as possible.
37:23
Speaker 2: Then why on earth can our prime minister basically allow
37:27
Speaker 2: any sense of moral equivalence. This is on the issue
37:31
Speaker 2: of international criminal court. When you've gotten you know, warrants
37:35
Speaker 2: being laid against terror group like Hamas at the same
37:40
Speaker 2: time as the democratically elected Prime Minister of Israel, and
37:46
Speaker 2: unlike almost every other leader in the Western world, our
37:49
Speaker 2: blow sits on the fence and refuses to call that out.
37:53
Speaker 3: It's not good enough, Tony.
37:57
Speaker 10: Look, you're right, Peter, in incredibly disappointing that our leaders,
38:04
Speaker 10: our current labor leaders, either don't see or won't say
38:11
Speaker 10: that there can be no moral equivalence whatsoever between liberal
38:15
Speaker 10: democratic Israel and the apocalyptic death cult Hamas. No moral
38:21
Speaker 10: equivalents whatsoever. And I fear that rather than acting in
38:26
Speaker 10: accordance with principle or Australia's national interest, some of them
38:31
Speaker 10: at least are more concerned by the sectarian politics which
38:36
Speaker 10: is becoming evident in their own electorates.
38:41
Speaker 2: Are you implying there that part of the Prime minister's
38:46
Speaker 2: rationale is motivations not standing up for the international rule
38:51
Speaker 2: of law is that he's basically preferencing Muslim votes in
38:55
Speaker 2: Western sydic So we're.
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Speaker 10: Saying it's hard to see any other explanation for it.
39:04
Speaker 10: And certainly there have been some senior cabinet ministers with
39:09
Speaker 10: heavily Islamic seats who have been particularly hesitant when it
39:16
Speaker 10: comes to calling out the rampant anti Semitism which we've
39:21
Speaker 10: seen on our streets and in some of our mosques
39:26
Speaker 10: and Muslim prayer rooms. Now, look, Australia's an immigrant country.
39:32
Speaker 10: That's a wonderful thing. Without our migrants, we wouldn't be
39:39
Speaker 10: the country we are. But I think there is an
39:42
Speaker 10: issue with Islam. I think that Islam demands pluralism when
39:48
Speaker 10: it's a minority, but it doesn't practice pluralism where it's
39:53
Speaker 10: a majority. And I'd really like to see more Islamic
39:57
Speaker 10: leaders in this country showing to others the respect that
40:02
Speaker 10: they demand for themselves. It's frankly appalling that we've had
40:07
Speaker 10: so many Islamic preachers in Sydney, maybe in Melbourne as well,
40:13
Speaker 10: who have been hate preaching. And that's simply on Australian
40:19
Speaker 10: and it should have no place in a society such
40:22
Speaker 10: as ours.
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Speaker 2: Well, this leads me into a whole conversation about immigration
40:27
Speaker 2: because it will be front and centered the next campaign.
40:30
Speaker 2: Labor's got a big Australia put on one side. They
40:33
Speaker 2: are giving lip service to reducing migration, but we're not
40:35
Speaker 2: seeing that actually happen in practice. Peter Dutton's made it
40:39
Speaker 2: really clear in his Budget addressing reply that cutting migration
40:43
Speaker 2: will be the first order issue for him. Now it's
40:46
Speaker 2: not just about the fallout from too many people too quickly,
40:51
Speaker 2: housing crisis, traffic congestion, all of that. But the point
40:55
Speaker 2: you're going to there is if migrants don't cut here,
41:00
Speaker 2: we don't spend the time and the care that they
41:03
Speaker 2: then integrate into Australian life. If they come and basically
41:07
Speaker 2: use Australia as Hotel Australia, they don't join Team Australia,
41:12
Speaker 2: then we will culturally lose who we are. And I
41:15
Speaker 2: don't know that that's enough of a focus for the government.
41:18
Speaker 2: It should be a focus, but I don't think it is.
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Speaker 10: I think that's a good metaphor. We've got to join
41:29
Speaker 10: Team Australia as migrants, not just live in Hotel Australia.
41:35
Speaker 10: And the point I think everyone needs to understand is
41:38
Speaker 10: that migrating to Australia is a privilege, not a right.
41:44
Speaker 10: And there's a sense in which you're abusing the privilege
41:48
Speaker 10: if you bring the world's troubles with you. And as
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Speaker 10: I said, I think people of all faiths and all
41:57
Speaker 10: cultures need to show they're fellow Australians, regardless of faith
42:02
Speaker 10: or culture respect and that's not what we've been seeing
42:07
Speaker 10: in some of our mosques, and certainly it's not what
42:11
Speaker 10: we've been seeing in the pro Hamas protests, the pro
42:15
Speaker 10: Hamas encampments on our university campuses. And what we need
42:20
Speaker 10: is the leadership to call this out and where necessary,
42:26
Speaker 10: to act against it. And I just think it's to
42:29
Speaker 10: the everlasting shame of university authorities that these pro Hamas
42:34
Speaker 10: incampments were not cleared by the police. I think it's
42:38
Speaker 10: disappointing that the police did not use the same vigor
42:43
Speaker 10: against these pro Hamas anti Jewish protests that they used
42:48
Speaker 10: against the Freedom protests during the pandemic, which as we know,
42:53
Speaker 10: were dispersed extremely vigorously with tear gas and rubber bullets
42:58
Speaker 10: in some cases. And look, we've got to apply the
43:04
Speaker 10: law equally against everyone. There can't be some groups that
43:10
Speaker 10: get kid glove treatment and other groups that get much
43:15
Speaker 10: sterner treatment. The law has got to be the same
43:18
Speaker 10: for all.
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott, thank you great to have your observations on
43:25
Speaker 2: what I think is pretty challenging times ahead. Right after
43:28
Speaker 2: the break Nicole Flint James Ashby on another big resignation
43:32
Speaker 2: for the Australian Republican movement. Plus I want to return
43:34
Speaker 2: to that issue. The World Health Organization's Pandemic treaty. It
43:38
Speaker 2: all kicks off on Monday. It'll have huge ramifications for Australia.
43:46
Speaker 3: Welcome back. Let's ring in my panel.
43:47
Speaker 2: Former Liberal MP, but now candidate Nicole Flint and a
43:50
Speaker 2: candidate too in Queensland. Point Hanson's chief of staff James Ashby, Well,
43:54
Speaker 2: welcome to you both. A lot of Jewish leaders out
43:58
Speaker 2: over the last couple of days calling on the Prime
44:00
Speaker 2: Minister to be on the right side of history. He
44:03
Speaker 2: has not come out to defend Benjamin ETTNYA WHO or
44:06
Speaker 2: his defense chief. He's sat on the fence. And if
44:09
Speaker 2: you sit on the fence, your barbed wire on your backside.
44:12
Speaker 2: And that's not good for a country, nor is it
44:13
Speaker 2: good for an individual. Peter Dutton, though very very strong
44:17
Speaker 2: in his condemnation, he thinks Australia should actually boycott this
44:20
Speaker 2: International Criminal Court today. He said the court's actions were
44:24
Speaker 2: obviously an anti Semitic act. But ed Hugh Sick he's
44:28
Speaker 2: a front bench and for Labor. He went after Peter Dutton,
44:31
Speaker 2: have a listen.
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Speaker 14: Well, the Coalition talks big about law and order, but
44:35
Speaker 14: then wants to pick what law and order it'll follow.
44:38
Speaker 14: It's staggering that you can have a mainstream political party
44:42
Speaker 14: determine on the basis of something that is uncomfortable to
44:45
Speaker 14: them that they would then just turn their back on
44:48
Speaker 14: a court of law. The Prime Minister has said the
44:51
Speaker 14: courts should be allowed to go about their business without
44:54
Speaker 14: political interference.
44:57
Speaker 2: Well, James Ashpanna, if you heard but former Prime Minister Toney,
45:00
Speaker 2: it was pretty strong. He think says a lot of
45:03
Speaker 2: electorate Arab vote motivations here for Labor, that they're not
45:07
Speaker 2: doing what's in the national interest.
45:11
Speaker 15: Yeah, I thought Tony spoke well and I just see
45:15
Speaker 15: this as a gutless prime minister. That's what we've got
45:17
Speaker 15: in Anthony Albanezi, of course, is courting the Muslim vote
45:20
Speaker 15: in this country. It's one of the largest growing religions
45:23
Speaker 15: that we have in Australia. Between twenty sixteen and twenty
45:27
Speaker 15: one census they grew over thirty percent. We now have
45:30
Speaker 15: over eight hundred thousand and yet the Jewish population make
45:34
Speaker 15: up just under one hundred thousand, so you can see
45:36
Speaker 15: precisely why they are courting those Muslim votes. Now we've
45:40
Speaker 15: got another census in twenty twenty six, I predict the
45:44
Speaker 15: Muslim vote will be over a million in this country.
45:47
Speaker 15: So that is what Labour's doing. They're courting the Muslim vote,
45:51
Speaker 15: and sadly, once that population reaches a certain number, like
45:55
Speaker 15: we've seen in England, then the Muslim start demanding changes
45:59
Speaker 15: to our legislation here, like the introduction of Sharia law.
46:02
Speaker 15: How far is Anthony Albanezi prepared to court the Muslim
46:07
Speaker 15: vote into the future. It's bad news, Peter terrible.
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Speaker 2: I yes, And if you look at the percentage of
46:14
Speaker 2: the Muslim vote in the UK and the distortion of
46:16
Speaker 2: some of their laws over there points you've just made there,
46:18
Speaker 2: and compare it with a very very small numbers of
46:21
Speaker 2: Muslim voters in the US and no distortion there, you
46:24
Speaker 2: can see that this is about power and electoral success.
46:29
Speaker 2: I would to go to some other issues though, I
46:30
Speaker 2: just want to mention though Nigel Ferraj has put out
46:33
Speaker 2: a statement just imminently a couple of minutes ago. He
46:36
Speaker 2: has confirmed he will stay involved in the reform campaign,
46:40
Speaker 2: but he will not run at.
46:42
Speaker 3: The election that has just been called.
46:43
Speaker 2: He's also making it clear too he's going to get
46:45
Speaker 2: out there in campaign for the Republicans as well. Hey, Nik,
46:48
Speaker 2: I want to mention senator payment. We all know senator
46:51
Speaker 2: payment from WA Labor Senator. She's been turning up at
46:54
Speaker 2: rallies in Victoria at Melbourne University. Now, I didn't think
46:57
Speaker 2: a senator would have any entitlement to come to Victoria.
47:01
Speaker 2: I hope she's not using taxpayer funds to hit the
47:04
Speaker 2: protest trail.
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Speaker 16: I hope she's not using taxpayer funds either, Peter. And
47:11
Speaker 16: if I was a West Australian voter, I'd be asking
47:14
Speaker 16: for a refund, I think, because I don't know. I'm
47:17
Speaker 16: pretty sure there's not many West Australians there in Victoria
47:20
Speaker 16: that she's representing while she's on this trip. So I
47:24
Speaker 16: hope everyone has a very close look at her travel
47:27
Speaker 16: report when it's lodge and if she's used entitlements then
47:31
Speaker 16: I think they need to be refunded.
47:35
Speaker 3: James.
47:36
Speaker 2: On Monday, the World Health Assembly kicks off high the agenda.
47:40
Speaker 2: We talked about this last night with Center Aantic. This
47:42
Speaker 2: new Global Pandemic Treaty give us your assessment of what's
47:47
Speaker 2: on the table.
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Speaker 15: Well, the simple truth is we're going to be handing
47:52
Speaker 15: over any of those decision making powers on Australia's health
47:56
Speaker 15: during a pandemic to a foreign body, the UN. And
48:00
Speaker 15: the issue that I see with this is we've got
48:02
Speaker 15: numerous pandemics across the world. Anything from influenza is deemed
48:06
Speaker 15: a pandemic. It just depends on how severe it is
48:09
Speaker 15: in certain countries and how far it spreads. And I
48:12
Speaker 15: know very well that doctors here have a different view,
48:16
Speaker 15: especially during COVID, on how that should have been managed
48:18
Speaker 15: to the way in which the UN and the World
48:21
Speaker 15: Health Organization forced basically the Chinese model on the rest
48:25
Speaker 15: of the globe.
48:26
Speaker 11: So this is bad news.
48:27
Speaker 15: Anthony Alberezi, the Labor Party and all members of government
48:31
Speaker 15: should all say no, we're not signing up to this.
48:35
Speaker 15: Don't send your bureaucrats over there. Stop sending and passing
48:38
Speaker 15: the buck here. This has to be a decision for Australia.
48:41
Speaker 15: The answer is clear, no, No Australian wants it.
48:46
Speaker 2: Hey, Nicole, we've got another We had the co chair yesterday,
48:49
Speaker 2: naviperis resign and now we've got another co chair go
48:52
Speaker 2: under the bus. This time the bloke that she resigned over,
48:54
Speaker 2: Craig Foster. They're both gone, so there's no one running
48:58
Speaker 2: the Australiant Republic movement. Great opportunity to shut it down,
49:02
Speaker 2: I reckon.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, perfect timing, Peter and Well and not just that,
49:10
Speaker 16: Anthony Alberanezi could also abolish the position of the Assistant
49:14
Speaker 16: Minister for the Republic because last time I checked, he
49:17
Speaker 16: had done no work in his portfolio.
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Speaker 2: I like things just the way they are. I'd be
49:24
Speaker 2: very happy with that outcome. Nicole James, have a terrific weekend.
49:28
Speaker 3: Thank you. See you both next week. All right, that's
49:30
Speaker 3: it's for me. You have a good weekend too.
49:32
Speaker 2: It's cold down here in Melbourne, but I'll warm up
49:34
Speaker 2: and over the weekend and see you on Monday at six.
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Speaker 3: He's Andrew