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Why Men No Longer Approach Women Like They Used To · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: And they wrote an article called, Why Men No Longer
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  Speaker 1: Approach Women Like They Used To. So we're going to
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's get back to this. From what I remember,
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so I have switched back to my primary mic.
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  Speaker 3: All right, good, good. All right, that's great. All right, well,
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  Speaker 3: the reason why I chose this is I thought it
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  Speaker 3: would be interesting to look at what the normie relationship
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  Speaker 3: dating advice explanation for why men are not approaching anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because, you know, it's always fascinating to take a look
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  Speaker 3: at the other side of the pond. Yeah. I'm guessing
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  Speaker 3: that at some point in the next.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, is this in the UK? Is this like a...
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  Speaker 2: Is that what you mean by the other side of
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  Speaker 2: the pond?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no, sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I meant the other side of the pond. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're on one side, and then.
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  Speaker 2: You mean the normie side?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the normie side of the pond. Yeah, no, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't mean the pond as in.
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  Speaker 3: Atlantic, the Atlantic... I meant the pond isn't the separation
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  Speaker 3: between the way we approach things and the way the
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  Speaker 3: people who are going to go down with the ship
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  Speaker 3: approach them. But, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. So,
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  Speaker 3: we want to just get into it? Just start?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So, the article is entitled, Why Men No Longer Approach
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  Speaker 1: Women Like They Used To, written by Love Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: As I described earlier.
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  Speaker 3: Love Unfiltered... Is there an actual person behind this? I.
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  Speaker 2: don't know it's just called love unfiltered but.
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  Speaker 1: Love unfiltered is a i guess you could what would
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  Speaker 1: you call it like a page or um and it
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  Speaker 1: describes itself as honest relationship advice delivered with heart one-on-one
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  Speaker 1: relationship coaching i help people heal and build the love
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  Speaker 1: they deserve and you can email them at loveunfiltered.coach at gmail.com
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  Speaker 1: so some kind of relationship coach um Okay, so let's
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  Speaker 1: see what.
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  Speaker 3: Not paying us for advertising, so.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm just describing who they are so we
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  Speaker 1: know where this is coming from.
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  Speaker 2: So, all right. Why men no longer approach women like
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  Speaker 2: they used to. Love unfiltered.
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  Speaker 1: Something shifted and pretending it didn't isn't helping anyone. Something changed,
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  Speaker 1: not overnight, not dramatically... But if you've been paying attention
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  Speaker 1: in bars, at events, in the quiet observation of how
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  Speaker 1: men and women interact in public spaces, you've probably noticed
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  Speaker 1: it too. Men have stopped approaching. I'm gonna pause after
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  Speaker 1: every paragraph to give you a chance to get in
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  Speaker 1: if you wanna say something. Not all men, not everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: But enough that women are noticing. Enough that it's showing
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  Speaker 1: up in dating statistics. Enough that it deserves an honest
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  Speaker 1: conversation rather than the usual finger pointing in either direction.
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  Speaker 1: So we're already doing a kind of both sides thing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Because this isn't really about men being less confident or
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  Speaker 1: women being too intimidating.
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  Speaker 2: It's about something deeper. I wonder how deep we'll go. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Something that happened to the entire landscape of connection between
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  Speaker 1: men and women. Quietly, gradually, with consequences nobody fully predicted. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's the end of the first section.
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  Speaker 2: That's like the... What do you call this? The stinger?
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  Speaker 2: The sizzle? The sizzle part?
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  Speaker 3: The sizzle for the steak. Yeah, the sizzle for the steak. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. What do you think they're selling here?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where it's going to go. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We're both to blame.
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  Speaker 3: We're both to blame, Brian. Both men and women are
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  Speaker 3: to blame for this.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 3: No, not women. And by both men and women, I
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  Speaker 3: mean not women at all. Just men.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just men. Women are acting this way because of men.
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  Speaker 1: OIC gives us a dollar and says, why don't men
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  Speaker 1: approach the people that hate them?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. All right.
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  Speaker 1: What actually changed? So they're gonna, the truth bomb's coming, guys.
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  Speaker 1: What actually changed? You guys ready for this? They're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna teach you this in school. Three things happened simultaneously.
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  Speaker 1: Dating apps arrived and rewired how people meet. Social media
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  Speaker 1: created a performance layer over every interaction, and the cultural
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  Speaker 1: conversation around consent, rejection, and male behavior shifted in ways
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  Speaker 1: that left a ton of men genuinely unsure where the
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  Speaker 1: line was. None of those things are inherently bad. Apps
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  Speaker 1: expand access.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead. What were you going to say?
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  Speaker 3: None of these things are inherently bad. All right. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So the conversation around consent shifted. The conversation around consent shifted,
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  Speaker 3: but it still was about men not getting consent, apparently.
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  Speaker 3: Or being unable to get through the.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know what to describe it for, gymnastic set,
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  Speaker 3: like an Olympic-level gymnastic floor routine that women now require
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  Speaker 3: for consent, right? But, you know, the thing that wasn't
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  Speaker 3: talked about was women. appalling inability to recognize or respect
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  Speaker 3: men's consent Because in about the same time as men
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  Speaker 3: stopped and withdrew from women, well, I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: much they did, but I mean, there are some statistics
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  Speaker 3: that suggest. Here's the problem. The statistics don't go back
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  Speaker 3: very far, because for the most part, for the last
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  Speaker 3: however many years, it was just assumed that men would
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  Speaker 3: pursue women. And now they've started to look into why
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  Speaker 3: they aren't doing that anymore, because I think men actually
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  Speaker 3: have reduced how much they pursue women. So now researchers
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  Speaker 3: are waking up and being like, well, oh wait, there's
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  Speaker 3: something that we used to take for granted is now
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  Speaker 3: being withdrawn. Where did it go? Well, obviously men are
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  Speaker 3: to blame. But my point about the consent situation, I
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  Speaker 3: went off on the tangent there about the researchers suddenly
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  Speaker 3: taking an interest. Because something has shifted in the landscape
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  Speaker 3: and something that women and society in general took for
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  Speaker 3: granted is suddenly gone. And they're noticing the absence. And
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  Speaker 3: then they start paying attention, right? Because it's affecting women now.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, getting back to the consent thing. We never
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  Speaker 3: had a discussion. Remember in the beginning of Me Too,
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  Speaker 3: there were a couple men who came forward about powerful women?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Terry Crews. Or women.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then and they just sort of were disappeared because
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't, you know, what did they say? The conversation
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  Speaker 3: is about women.
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  Speaker 1: Well, at first, at first they were like, oh, look,
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  Speaker 1: they saw it as an opportunity to talk about toxic
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  Speaker 1: masculinity when Terry Crews was one of the people who
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  Speaker 1: came forward because he's like this, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: like muscular, big black guy. But then when it stopped,
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  Speaker 1: they just decided they're not going to talk about toxic
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  Speaker 1: masculinity anymore for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 2: They said, let's just make this completely about women.
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  Speaker 1: And suddenly, yeah, Terry Crews and all the other men
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  Speaker 1: who had something to say, they were just not important anymore.
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  Speaker 2: They served their purpose.
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  Speaker 3: They disappeared out of the conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we never ever had that conversation about women and
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  Speaker 3: men's consent. It's funny how that works.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's never part of it. And maybe if we
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  Speaker 3: had had that conversation... men wouldn't have withdrawn as much. Right?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that men are withdrawing because they're
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  Speaker 3: being sexually assaulted. It's possible. I mean, considering the flippin' numbers. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying that
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  Speaker 3: maybe if the conversation had been tempered with a bit
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  Speaker 3: of accountability on women's side, men wouldn't have felt so targeted.
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  Speaker 3: Especially since every man I've ever talked to has a
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  Speaker 3: story about a woman who can't keep her hands to herself. Unless,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, even actually, even incels. I know this is
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  Speaker 3: something that nobody wants to talk about, but a lot
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  Speaker 3: of incels have experienced sexual abuse by women. Sure. It's
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  Speaker 3: part of the reason why they're, shall we say, gun-shy. Alright, so,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe I'm being a bit too excessive when I
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  Speaker 3: say every man, but a good portion of them do.
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  Speaker 3: And then you look at the statistics, and these are
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  Speaker 3: the statistics nobody wants to talk about, they're the ones
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  Speaker 3: that you really have to go to the back of
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  Speaker 3: the library and dig through the dusty archives to find,
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  Speaker 3: and you find the statistics indicate that it is entirely
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  Speaker 3: within the realm of possibility that women are doing just
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  Speaker 3: as much sexual violence to men as the reverse. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to cite something here. Three years in a row,
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  Speaker 3: the CDC, that is the Center of Disease Control, this
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  Speaker 3: is the largest study on sexual experiences of sexual aggression,
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  Speaker 3: sexual coercion, that kind of thing. And it found, three
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  Speaker 3: years in a row, men reporting the same rate of
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  Speaker 3: forced sex as women, with a substantial proportion... of the
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  Speaker 3: aggressors being female. In that particular instrument, they only kept
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  Speaker 3: track for lifetime, it was about 80%. Other instruments find
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  Speaker 3: it as high as 95%. So, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: sexual aggression and sexual abuse being perpetrated by women. Guess
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  Speaker 3: what's never talked about in any of these conversations? Was
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  Speaker 3: never part of Me Too. And I actually did the
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  Speaker 3: statistical analysis of the probability of finding three years in
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  Speaker 3: a row equal rates of male victimization as female in
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  Speaker 3: terms of sexual assault. It's impossible. It's nearly impossible. It's
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  Speaker 3: like one in a million that this happened. And what's
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  Speaker 3: actually happening is some form of asymmetry in the actual statistics.
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  Speaker 3: There's no possibility. There's no possibility. There's no reality in
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  Speaker 3: which three years in a row the CDC found those
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  Speaker 3: numbers and women and men aren't doing substantially the same
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  Speaker 3: rate of sexual abuse towards each other. Yeah. Right? That's
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  Speaker 3: the reality. The reality is, like domestic violence, it is symmetry.
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  Speaker 3: It's symmetry. Of course, the difference is that women use
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  Speaker 3: threats of false accusations to get what they want, and
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  Speaker 3: men don't have credible threats like that. So why wasn't
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  Speaker 3: that part of the conversation with Me Too? And right
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  Speaker 3: off the bat, it's disingenuous to say, oh, we had
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  Speaker 3: these very important conversations that only ever go one way,
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  Speaker 3: that only ever have one side speaking, that only ever
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  Speaker 3: recognize the harms of one of the groups. Why is that?
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  Speaker 3: And why is it so necessary when it's so lopsided?
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  Speaker 3: Because when it's that lopsided, it isn't a conversation that
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  Speaker 3: needs to happen. It's abuse that's being labeled, ladled onto
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  Speaker 3: one side. When that one half of the conversation never
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  Speaker 3: gets to happen, then that is not a necessary conversation
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  Speaker 3: because it's not a conversation. It's a lecture. It's a hectoring.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: It's a lecture. It's some abuser who always gets their
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  Speaker 3: own word in, her own word in, and never allows
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  Speaker 3: you to speak your half. Okay, and here's even worse.
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  Speaker 3: Those stats are getting worse. The millennial shift, women who
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  Speaker 3: are younger are more sexually violent than other generations of women, amazingly,
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  Speaker 3: even other generations of men, and the current generation of men.
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  Speaker 3: Millennial women are the most sexually violent group of people
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  Speaker 3: on the planet in the West.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Are we going to have that conversation? I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: Is that ever going to be part of this very
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  Speaker 3: important conversation? And not only are they sexually violent, they
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  Speaker 3: also have the most callous, chauvinistic, selfish, and bullying attitudes
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  Speaker 3: towards their victims. They're all convinced that men enjoy it. Right?
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  Speaker 3: That men enjoy any sexual attention from any woman. Any woman.
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  Speaker 3: And if they don't enjoy sexual attention from any particular woman,
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  Speaker 3: it's because they are a sexist. They have unfair beauty standards.
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  Speaker 3: They are fatphobic, transphobic. Right there, ageist. If you don't
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  Speaker 3: like attention from the most disgusting, slovenly, spherical beast of
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  Speaker 3: a woman, guys, then the problem is you. Even if
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  Speaker 3: she does it at gunpoint, you just have unfair standards.
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  Speaker 3: But that's never part of the conversation. And this is
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  Speaker 3: the important conversation that needs to be had, but only
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  Speaker 3: half of it. Well, only like one-fourth of it, really.
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  Speaker 3: Because we don't even talk about women being sexually violent
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  Speaker 3: to other women.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like, this is one of the worst statistics on sexual
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  Speaker 3: violence is women's prisons. Like, they are engaging in sexual
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  Speaker 3: violence towards each other in women's prisons as inmate-on-inmate violence
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  Speaker 3: at like two to three times the rate of men.
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  Speaker 3: And none of that is coming up. None of that
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  Speaker 3: on this very important conversation that's also very selective and
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  Speaker 3: one side doesn't get to speak. So how do you
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  Speaker 3: call it a conversation? Me Too wasn't a conversation. It
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  Speaker 3: was a lecture. Well, it was a propaganda campaign. Once again,
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  Speaker 3: women asserting that men take responsibility for something that women
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  Speaker 3: also do. All right. So, I mean, like right off
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  Speaker 3: the bat, she's like, oh, it was a very important conversation. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe men are withdrawing because they see the asymmetry in
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  Speaker 3: these very important conversations.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: They have experiences. Many of them have experiences of sexual
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  Speaker 3: violence from women. And then they get lectured to by
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  Speaker 3: these pompous jackanapes who think they're the only ones who
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  Speaker 3: have a right to speak on the issue.
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  Speaker 1: Ugh.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: And then, you know, men are withdrawing. I wonder why. Like,
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  Speaker 3: what is the standard here for men showing up? They're
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  Speaker 3: not supposed to speak. You know, just seen and be heard.
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  Speaker 3: Just assemble in a line for a woman to pick them.
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  Speaker 3: You know, whatever one she wants. He just has no
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: opinion in the matter. What is showing up for men
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: look like? If they can't speak, if they're not part
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: of the conversation in the first place. I mean, that's
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: a thought experiment, guys. Maybe you guys know. What does
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: showing up look like here? for men?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: You can't be part of the conversation. And, you know,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: fuglies don't even get in the room, right? Oh, you insults,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: just stay outside.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't have to be fugly. It could just
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: be somebody who makes the ick list.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: The average person. Yeah, well, that's literally everybody, right?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just about.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like Wolf of Wall Street that makes like 50
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: millionaires a year sneezes. And his, I don't know, Holstein
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: perfume model girlfriend is like, oh my God, you have
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: a physical, you have anything physical? You have a physical being? Oh, disgusting, goodbye.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you've read the lick list, it literally is.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Do you have a corporeal being, men? Do you occasionally
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: stumble or lose your balance? That's an ick. Do you
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: put on socks? That's an ick. I mean, God, a
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: real man would never have cold feet. Do you ever
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: show an emotion at all for a single instant? That
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: isn't some form of completely, you know, you've got to
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: have adulation for her, but it also has to be
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: completely stoic. So she's got to receive it without it
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: being perceptible on your face or in your body language.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Why can't you do that? If you can't, it's an ick.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Like even men who are apparently winning this game are
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: recognizing that they're losing this game now. Because they can't
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: be a person. And how do you have a relationship
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: with a woman if you can't be a person? If
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: your side of the conversation is erased. You see how
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: this keeps going over? Your side of the ledger is erased.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: You don't add anything to the relationship as a person
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: except your money.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: And you can add your money, your rank, compared to
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: other men, and your absence as a corporeal being, guys.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: That's how you win this race. And like I said,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: the guys on top are realizing, wow, I have to
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: do all of this, and what I get is a
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: woman who will leave me if I ever get sick. Like,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: just a sniffle. God, what an ick, eh? Like a
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: guy taking out a napkin and wiping his nose. Disgusting. Like,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, just even getting sick. Being susceptible to viruses. Right?
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Showing any concern for anything, like a puppy or a kid,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: that's an ick. That list is terrifying. And it's not
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: terrifying for the obvious troll. It's terrifying for the overall,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: like the things that keep getting repeated. Have you read it, Brian?
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: What, the ick list?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen glimpses of it, but no, I
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: haven't read it. I don't see it as a document
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: that's worthy of research, especially because it's constantly changing anyways.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It has a lot of consistent features.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Right? Like height, income. All of these are the only
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: positive things that a man can be. Everything else is disqualifying.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Of course, it's the ick list, but you can always
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: make something positive. You can always state something in a
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: way that it's qualifying, even though it seems disqualifying, right? Like,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: just don't be this. Don't be, like, if you compare
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: it to the men, so they actually did a male
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: ick list, right? And the male ick list has things
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: like don't be mean to wait staff or cashiers.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Clean your ass. Yes. There's a lot on that.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: That's a big ask.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know. That is, like, I'm looking at the
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: male ick list. Like, 20% of it is, please, ladies, hygiene.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, did something happen in the last 10 years
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: to women? Has it become particularly slovenly? I don't know. Anyway,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: so that's, like, the male ick list is don't be
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: an asshole to the waiter. Keep your ass clean. Right.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: And that's about it. It doesn't even have as much
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: look like looks based stuff as I was expecting. And
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: then personality stuff like don't kill your kids. Don't make
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: excuses for killing your kids. Like stuff like that. It's
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: actually very reasonable. And then the female list is don't
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: don't have a personhood. Don't be don't be a person
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: like just just don't. Have nothing that reminds me of
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the fact that I'm in a relationship with an actual
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: human being. You are an instrument that I use to
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: compete with other women. You're not a person. And every
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: time you remind me that you're a person, I am disgusted. Yeah.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: If you just go one by one with the Ick List,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: that's fine. But when you actually look at the general
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: trends of it, it's very enlightening. Because, you know, women
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: could have said, don't be mean to wait staff as
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: an ick for men. Right? Even not liking animals as
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: an ick. I mean, some guys don't like animals and
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: they have every right to, but at least that's sort of,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: at least within the realm of normal. But don't sneeze,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: don't wear socks, don't fall, don't get in a car accident,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: don't have your relatives die and mourn that.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's insane. Okay. Shall we read a bit more?
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Yes. Hold on a second. Let me just go there.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I just got another super or rumble rant from Nova
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: fan who gives us a dollar and says funny how
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the article refused to even suggest the topic of consent
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: might have been excessive and only in one direction against men.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Almost like we saw that sentiment for a very long time.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: All right, thank you for that. All right, back to
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the article. Apps expanded access. The conversation about consent matters enormously.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Accountability is necessary. But the cumulative effect on spontaneous in-person
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: connection has been real. Men who grew up watching their
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: fathers approach women confidently in public spaces are now navigating
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: a completely different set of unspoken rules. rules that vary
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: by context, by person, by platform, and by cultural moment
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: in ways that feel genuinely impossible to decode. The result
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: for many men is a calculation that looks something like this.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: The potential reward of approaching is uncertain. The potential cost
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: of approaching incorrectly, misreading the situation, being perceived as harassment,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: facing public embarrassment, feels disproportionately high.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: So they don't.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: And that's the First reason, explain. I don't know if
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you want to say anything to that or if you've
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: basically said what you wanted to say.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Well, so men have done a cost-benefit analysis and decided
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: that approaching women isn't, but also men have been told
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: not to approach women.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, they have.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, where is, I'm curious because we now have one,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: men are doing a cost-benefit analysis. We still don't have
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: anything that women have done because women have told men
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: to stop approaching them, that they don't want to be approached.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: That they just want to vibe with their tunes or
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: just do their jogging or whatever it is that they're doing.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: They don't want to be approached. I mean, that was
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: pretty loud and clear, wasn't it? Remember Elevator Gate?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Rebecca Watson, was it?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Yep, Rebecca Watson. Word to the wise, guys. Don't do that.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and what happened? She was approached. In a convention,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: which is well known as the spawning site for nerds,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: in a nerd convention, she was approached by a nerd
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: who said, would you like to go to, you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Wiggle Eyebrows Coffee in my room? And when she declined,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: he went on his way, and she said, guys, don't
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: do that. And what was that? A plight? Overture in
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: an elevator? Like, that's it? That was what that was.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: What are men to make from that? Right? Women have
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: asked them to stop approaching. So they did. The end.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Yep. So the next.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: But now we have this, like, cottage industry of... I'm
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: guessing this is a woman. Female relationship dating advice gurus
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: who are going to read the tea leaves, the relational
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: web tea leaves, to explain to their female clients why
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: men stopped approaching when women told them to stop approaching. Okay.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, this could be worse. I mean, this
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: one is pretty.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Well, that's just one section.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Next thing.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Next section, that's only one. They said there's multiple reasons.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: That was the first thing, was dating apps. Next is
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: what women are actually experiencing. Women are noticing the absence.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Not all women want to be approached. Not all women
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: are looking for that kind of spontaneous connection in public spaces.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: And that's completely valid.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: But a significant number of women, particularly those who are
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: open to meeting someone organically rather than through an app,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: are reporting a strange new loneliness.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: What? How would men know?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. I don't know. Oh, okay. So, okay. Okay.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: But a significant number of women, particularly those who are
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: open to meeting someone organically rather than through an app,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: are reporting.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: A strange new loneliness.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: The loneliness of being in a room full of people
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and feeling invisible.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Sounds like being a man.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Of wondering why nobody ever seems to just walk over
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and say something.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Sounds like being a man.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Or finding themselves on dating apps not because they prefer them,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: but because they feel like.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: The only remaining option. Hmm.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: That experience is real, too. And it exists alongside the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: very valid reasons men have become more cautious. Both things
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: are true simultaneously. So that's the end of that section.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Do you want to say.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Anything to that?
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure how this woman is doing this. Okay,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: so we've had this campaign telling men to not approach,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: and women were very clear on that. And I looked at,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I remember, I lived through this. The volume of messages
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: towards men were, do not approach. Approaching induces some existential
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: horror in women. When you are approaching, it's like you
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: are opening up the portal to hell and forcing a
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: woman to look inside. So don't do it, guys. Just don't.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Don't visit the elder gods upon a woman's fragile mind
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: by going up and saying, hey. Just don't do it.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Just the very act is traumatic. And men were like, okay.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: We won't do it. And also... There were very few
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: female voices standing up and saying, the sisterhood is nuts, guys.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: This is bullshit. Women are not destroyed by you approaching.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: And maybe we, us women, we should be a lot
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: less rude towards men who do approach. No, I don't
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: recall that at all. Do you recall anyone saying that
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: outside of like Honey Badger Radio, Brian? No. Anyone pointing
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: out that maybe women should chill? All right, anybody, like
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: anyone pointing out that the Me Too is being put
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: on by a bunch of people with some very shady interests? Like, again,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I remember, I think it was Ruth Ginsburg?
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: No, no, that's wrong.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: That's the Supreme Court. It's another Ruth. She was the
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: chairperson or the CEO of the National... organization against domestic
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: violence or something. And during the Amber Heard, Johnny Depp trial,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: which was one of the consequences of Me Too, they
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: basically destroyed a man who was, in fact, the victim
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: of domestic violence. During that trial, she said, you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: this was a bad trial for us feminist NGOs because
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: it just didn't make us money. A lot of shady
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: interest came into Me Too. And the reason why is
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: because these big lawsuits and civil suits and all of
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: this attention gave them a gigantic tsunami of cash. And
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: that's really what was encouraging. They would find some young
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: actress or an older actress who would just go after
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: some dude, and they would publicize it and make a
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: pile of cash on it. I follow the money, guys.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: So there was a lot of shady interest in me, too.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: A lot of hands in the cookie jar, so to speak.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: And nobody was talking about that. Nobody was pointing that out.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I remember that, because I was. I actually went into
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: the financials of these feminist NGOs, and I found something
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: very interesting. Like, you'd have a feminist who would be
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: on the board of, like, dozens of these things, potentially.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: And in each one, they would be making $ 40, 000 for
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: a half hour's work. Like a month. $ 40, 000 a year.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: That's quite a gig. And over and over and over,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: I would see this. So there was a huge financial
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: incentive for the entire B2 push. We were the only
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: ones pointing that out. And I'm pretty sure that me
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: and Hannah and Karen were the only ones... saying, hey,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: this is, they're not very nice to start charging men
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: in public with this kind of crap when they don't
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: have any way of, any recourse with these public witch
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: trials of men. And they have no recourse. Well, they do.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: They have civil suits, and a few of them launched them.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Good on them. We were the ones who were pointing
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: this out. And what's freaking amusing to me is that
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: nobody else was, no other women were, as far as
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I can tell, not even conservative women, were really going
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: up against this, except us, the men's rights lunatics. And
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: so what we have is a situation where men were
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: receiving loud and clear, don't approach us. Approaching us is
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: a horrible thing for women to do, or men to
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: do to women, with no counter voice, no counter signaling. Okay,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: that's what I remember. And so men, well, it makes
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: sense to abide by the loudest, shrillest voice in the room, right?
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: You don't want your dick cut off. So they stopped approaching.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: And now this woman is, like, looking at that situation,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: and she's saying, well... Us women, we put in so
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: much social censure and political censure and financial censure and
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: legal censure to men approaching us, and we explicitly told
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: them not to approach us with very literal countersignaling, and
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: we actually silenced all the women who countersignaled. We de-boosted
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: them in the algorithm. We attacked them publicly. And now
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: that men have gotten the message that we gave them...
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: But you know, some of us feel really bad that
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: we're not getting approached. And these two things are equal.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: These two things are of equal importance. Did you see
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: what she did there, Brian? But women feel bad now.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: So let's call it even, guys. So women's, not even
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: a consequence, right? Well, actually, it is a consequence, but
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: what I meant by consequence is like an external consequence,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: like a woman going to jail or being socially ostracized.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: That hasn't happened, right? Except for Amber Heard, and there
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: still is like a freaking army of harpies that seem
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: to be convinced that she's innocent. But anyway.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: She's not actually talking about consequences. She's just talking about
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: the inevitable end result of what women have requested from men.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: You see that? And she's saying, but these two things
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: are equal. Women have suffered too, guys. So you should...
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Now we're going to focus on how women have suffered
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: from demanding something from men and then some of them realizing, actually, no,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: we didn't want that. Why didn't you speak up while
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: it was happening? Huh? Fucking cowards. All right, keep going, Brian.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: What dating apps did to spontaneous connection. When you can
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: theoretically meet someone from your couch, the motivation to approach
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: a stranger in a coffee shop decreases. Why risk rejection
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: in person when you can swipe from a position of
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: relative safety? Apps didn't just change where people meet. They
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: changed the psychology of meetings. They made in-person approaches feel
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: higher stakes by comparison, more exposed, more vulnerable, more likely
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: to result in the specific kind of rejection that has witnesses.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: And for men who are already uncertain about how their
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: approach will be received in the existence... Wait. And for
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: men who are already uncertain about how their approach will
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: be received... There should have been a comma there. The
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: existence of an alternative, however impersonal, is often... enough to
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: tip the calculation towards staying put. So what we're getting
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: here is men should be approaching. That's, that's what we're getting.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And they're not, but they still should be.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right, go ahead.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Are you complete? Are you complete? Cause I'm, I'm about
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: to engage the train.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: No, let's okay. What's actually been lost. Something genuine existed
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: in the spontaneous approach. Not always, but every approach was
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: welcome or appropriate. But the ones that were, the ones
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: that happened because two people were in the same place
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and something sparked, those created a kind of connection that
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: algorithms genuinely cannot replicate. The shared context, the real-life reading
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: of energy, the mutual vulnerability of two people who had
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: nothing but the moment and chose to make something off
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: it anyway. That's harder to find now. And both men
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and women are poorer for its absence, even if the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: reasons for that absence are complicated and valid. Okay.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, so guys, women asked or women demanded that men
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: not approach them. Men stopped not approaching them. And then.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: women were like, wait, men aren't approaching us. This makes
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: us feel invisible. So there were valid reasons. It's not
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: that women should stop asking men to, or sorry, demanding
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: men not approach them. Stop constructing like the man catapult
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: for every guy who approaches him. Just imagine that. Like
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: every woman's like, yes, I got a catapult. Just walk. Oh,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: you're approaching me? Just get up in the catapult. All right.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Get up in the catapult. And every woman has one
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: now because they said we want man catapults for men
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: who approach us. Then we could pull a lever and
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: he's yeeted three miles and turned into a bloody slurry, right?
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: And then the men are like, I don't want to
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: get into the catapult. And the women are like, well, what?
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: But that makes us feel bad. That makes us feel bad.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Why aren't you approaching? Why aren't you getting into our
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: man catapults? Why aren't you doing that? Well, why don't
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: you consider not having them? Like, if you want men
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: to avoid your man catapults, don't have them in the
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: first place. Because the last, what, five, ten years has
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: been constructing the better man catapult. Like, catapult that fucker
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: who had the audacity to come and say hi. Yeah,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: catapult him into losing his job, going to jail. being
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: smeared across social media, right? But no, women should be
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: able to keep their men catapults, but men should continue
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: to approach. So the cost of approaching for a man
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: should be maximal and completely contingent upon the very delicate
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: feels of the woman he approaches, and he should still
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: continue to approach. That's her solution. Because it's complicated, guys.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: It's nuanced. Women need to be able to destroy you
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: completely if you step out of line. But you should
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: still put yourself, put your head in the noose. And no,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: we're not going to question the validity of having a
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: man catapult. No, that stays. We get to keep that.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: You just have to buck up and get more courageous, guys.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: And what do you get at the end of the day? Uh,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: maybe a date. And you get to continue to walk
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: this tightrope and walk on eggshells for the rest of
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: your life. There you go. No, I'm just, this woman is, okay.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: If women want to be able to apply maximal pressure,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: like maximal punishment to men who approach them, they cannot
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: also have the same rate of men approaching them. In fact,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I would argue that the only men who are going
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: to approach them now are ones who don't care if
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: they go to jail because they're criminally minded or they're sociopaths.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Or they're so narcissistic they don't care. Because the other
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: thing is that women have said that being approached by
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: a man is a horrible imposition that destroys their very
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: delicate female girl cells inside their bodies, right? They're being
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: crushed by the horrible attentions of men. So guys who
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: are like, well, I don't want to crush women's delicate
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: girl parts... I don't want to destroy women's spirit by
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: my mere presence and saying hi. I'm not going to
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: do that. They're also those guys. They don't even care
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: about the man catapult. They just don't want to hurt women.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: And women have made it very clear that being approached
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: hurts them. No, you've got to pull back the rhetoric.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: You've got to pull back the maximal punishment, ladies. You
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: can't just say, well, it's complicated. It was justified. I mean,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: we had to have the conversation that excluded male victims
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: of sexual assault and harassment. We just had to have
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: that conversation that only implicates men, even though statistically and
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: ethically we should probably include male victims in the conversation.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: But we just had to have that, which just led
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: to us having to have our man catapults in the
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: maximal capacity. punishment of being able to maximally apply punishment
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: to men who approach us and we had to also
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: tell men to not approach us and then men need
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: to metabolize us all of this and approach us anyway
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: that's what this woman this is the woman's solution yeah
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: you have nothing to add to that.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: No no i think you basically said plenty the only
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: thing i was going to add is that i do
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: think this is written by a woman based on um
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: one part of the last bit I read, which is,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: let me see if I can find it. What's actually
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: been lost? Yeah, the shared, what's actually been lost? The
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: shared context, the real-time reading of energy, the mutual vulnerability
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: of two people who had nothing but the moment and
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: chose to make something of it anyway.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like a man wrote it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: And also, I think what's also going on here that
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I think is funny is, One of the reasons why
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: everything is in such bad shape is because we were
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: operating under the gynocentric romantic model of courtship, which is,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's compatible with modernity. It is a
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: product of it, but it doesn't, it doesn't, it becomes
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: basically just something about vibes and not about like what
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the actual purpose of a relationship is, which is to
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: lead to marriage, which is to lead to family. But
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: none of that is taken into consideration because then it
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: becomes a conversation about duties and expectations and honesty and
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: commitment and honor and these other things that you're supposed
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: to be doing. Instead, the article is just like, men
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: aren't approaching anymore. And that should happen because of my romance.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: But romance is a very small time in history, at
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: least in the way that these people discuss it. So
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: that's why I think this is written by a woman.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: And I think that they don't want things... They don't
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: want to, like, get to a point where women have
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: to be a part of the solution anymore.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Or at all. Like, they weren't anyway.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Because they were all just sort of sitting around going,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: why aren't the men approaching me? And that whole idea
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: of the man approaching is like a recent invention. So,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: you know, like the man getting down on one knee
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and everything. That's not something that's been the case through history.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: So I think this person... is trying to hold on
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to a short-lived idea that was never sustainable, and that's
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: why they're frustrated. So those are my thoughts on that. Okay,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: we're going to get to the comments after this is over,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: but let's see what else they're going to say. What
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: would actually help? So now we're going to get into solutions, okay?
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: What would actually help? Not going back. The conversation about
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: consent isn't going away.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Apps aren't disappearing.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: The cultural shift isn't reversible. Go ahead. Do you want
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: to say something to that or do you want me
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: to finish this section?
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: The conversation about consent isn't going away, right? And it
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: isn't also going to include men.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: No, because, no, it's not supposed to. This is why
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I know a woman wrote this.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: This is the arrogance. Mm-hmm. This is the absolute level
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: of arrogance. Meanwhile, younger women are getting more sexually violent
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: and excusing their behavior more and more, being more chauvinistic
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: about the victims that they're leaving in their wake. The
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: conversation about consent isn't going away. Bitch, it never started.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: The conversation about consent also includes men's consent. Until men's
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: consent is part of the conversation, the conversation hasn't started
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: because conversations have two sides. This is the idiocy of feminism.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Because they constantly talk about equality, they never measure the
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: side of men. They talk about having a conversation, they
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: never look at men's side of the conversation. For example, here.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Men's side of the conversation when it comes to consent.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Their consent. And women's failure to get men's consent. Yeah.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: And I know this is a really hard conversation to
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: have because it feels like such an incredible dry spell
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: for men. So it seems almost like ridiculous to talk
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: about sexual assault by women. But the fact is that
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: this lack of both sides of the conversation is leading
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: to attitudes like this. She thinks she's had a conversation
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: because she's the only one who gets to, despite her
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: being the only one who gets to speak. And because
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: this conversation is so one-sided, it gets worse and worse
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: and worse for men. Men's part of the dating relationship,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: the dating landscape, gets more and more untenuous because women's
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: behavior is never put on spotlight. And she can say
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: something so arrogant, so conceited, so blind and chauvinistic as
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: the conversation about consent isn't going away. It's not even
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: started because men weren't invited. So it isn't a conversation.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, your lecture on how women get to decide
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: every particular of the relationship between men and women, including
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: whether or not sex happens without his ability to veto...
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: They get to decide everything. That's not going away. Because
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: the conversation would have included men's side and it didn't
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: and because it didn't the thing the terms just keep
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: getting freaking worse for men yeah okay let's keep.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Um so okay not going back men being honest about
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the uncertainty they feel and finding the courage to approach
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: any way thoughtfully, respectfully, with genuine attention to whether the
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: other person seems open.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: So, again, just don't stop trying, I guess.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Women being honest about whether they're open to being approached,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: not performing unavailability because it feels safer when what they
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: actually want is connection. And both sides having an honest
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: conversation about what's been lost, without blame, without defensiveness, with
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: the shared recognition that the current situation isn't working particularly
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: well for anyone.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Let's stop blaming women. I mean, let's not blame anybody anymore.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: But men have to change.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but men have to step up. Okay.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Men still have to be brave, and women just have
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: to signal that they're interested in being approached.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: This is so... Well, literally, it's what I said.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: It's milk toast.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Women want to be able to... Women want to be...
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Don't question that women should have the right to inflict
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: maximal penalty on a man who approaches them. But, you know, men,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: still approach like you did before. Just realize you have
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: a cannon to face the man catapult. Ready to go.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: It's just... It's so arrogant. It's so conceit. It's so
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: lacking any understanding that there is another side to this.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: And she probably thinks that she's being kind because she's
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: comparing herself to what feminists would say. Yep. She thinks
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: that she's doing my both sides-ing when it really is
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: only landing on men. Men still have to accommodate this
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: disgusting state of affairs. that women have constructed by ignoring
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: their own behavior towards men, ignoring their own complicity, culpability
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: in sexual violence, pinning it all on men and demanding
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: that men accommodate the outcome that that creates. Pinning it
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: all on men, demanding the powers to destroy men for approaching,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: and then demanding men accommodate. Endlessly accommodate, accommodate, accommodate. And
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: let me tell you something, that accommodating women is just
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: leading to more accommodation, guys. And again, this is all
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: premised on this idea that the Me Too conversation was
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: something that needed to happen. It was necessary. It was
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: never necessary. Certainly not in the way that it was presented.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: If there wasn't a conversation of equal volume about the
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: perpetration of sexual assault and sexual harassment, if there wasn't
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: a conversation about men as victims, not just perpetrators, by women,
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: victims of women, if there wasn't that conversation, it wasn't
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: a valid conversation to be had in the first place.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: So her entire podium for continuing to insist that men
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: accommodate women is built on lies. And brain rot.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: She is the queen of hypocrisy. And she insists you
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: kiss her ring.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Ugh.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Shall we finish?
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: So the bottom line. Men stopped approaching for reasons that
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: are understandable. But understandable doesn't mean the outcome is good.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Something real has been lost in the space between men's
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: caution and women's invisibility. And recovering it starts with the
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: same thing as it always does. Honesty, courage, and the
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: willingness to be a little vulnerable in a world that
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: has made vulnerability feel more dangerous than it needs to be.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Have you noticed this shift? Men's? Men's, yeah. Yeah, it's men's.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: They're basically saying that men are taking the risk, yeah.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but you should still do so. Meanwhile, women
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: get the conversation that women should be able to ratchet
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: up the risk that men take indefinitely, like infinitely, without
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: anybody saying, hey, no, wait, what? Maybe if you want
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: men to approach, you should start dissembling the man catapults,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: all of the maximal punishment that you have granted yourself
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: to slam on a man who approaches. Maybe you should
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: dismantle some of that if you want men to continue
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: to approach you. Right? No, you notice that? That's not
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: even part of the conversation. Just like male victims was
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: never part of the conversation initially, so it wasn't a conversation.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: It was just another demand by women. We want the
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: ability to punish you men for approaching us Because you
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: engage in sex, we also engage in sexual assault, but
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: we just want that, right? We just want it. And
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: then men accommodated them, or society accommodated them, and now
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: men have to accommodate more. And it always lands on that.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Even this woman, who thinks she's probably being so fair-minded,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: always lands on men must accommodate more. Women never have
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: to examine their demands or their asks, ever. The only
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: thing that women have to do is signal availability, guys.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Signal what they want. So women's big ask here is
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: to write down their Santa list. Oh, Santa, this is
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: what I want. That's their demand. That's both sides. Men
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: have to screw their courage to the sticking place, whatever
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: that means, and face an increasingly maximal punishment for approaching.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: But women just have to... Write down that they want something.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Signal that they want something. Do you see the asymmetry
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: in effort here?
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Is there anyone? Yeah. Just signal what you want. But, dude,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: you have to face down the firing squad. That's... And
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: she thinks that's symmetrical. And who knows? Maybe there's a
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Me 3 on the horizon. And they're going to ratchet
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: up the.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: The cost and the risk of men approaching women yet again.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: And then there'll be another article in five years after
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: that and be like, Well, I know that women have
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: the ability to vaporize men on contact if they approach
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: them and they're not appreciative of it. But men, you
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: have to understand how lonely that makes women feel that
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: you're no longer approaching them because you feel like you
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: don't want to be vaporized. Can't you just get more courage?
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: And women, just signal that you're not going to vaporize
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: a man. I mean, I don't mean we're going to
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: take away your ability to vaporize a man. Just signal
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: that you might not do it if he approaches you.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Just signal that. I mean, you still can. You still
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: can vaporize him at any point. We're not changing that.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: We're not taking that away from you, ladies. But you
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: signal that you might not. And men, just get your
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: fucking courage up. Go storm the beaches of women. Go
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: storm the machine gun nests. And that's equal, guys, because
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: she's doing the effort of signaling that she might not
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: vaporize you should you approach. And the reason why I
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: keep pointing this out is because I know there's this
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: conversation about courtly love, but what I'm seeing in the
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: statistics is that What's happened is women are using their
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: relationships with men and judging men based on their relative
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: rank as tokens in their competitions with women. So they've
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: basically instrumentalized men down to a game piece in their
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: games with each other. And the ask keeps getting worse
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: for men, or the demand keeps getting worse. The women's
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: demand on men just keeps getting worse year after year.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: So for example, in the 90s, if he earned in
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: the 80th percentile, or sorry, the 60th percentile, that was
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: good enough. In like 2000, or in 1880, if he
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: earned in the 10th percentile, it was good enough. In 1990,
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: if he earned in the 60th, it was good enough, right?
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: But then it just increases year after year after year, because...
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: This is, it's a demand that destroys itself. Because it's
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: constant competition over making your girlfriends jealous. So if you manage,
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: if you're a four and you manage to get an eight,
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: then all of your girlfriends have to get a nine.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: So imagine that happening over and over and over again,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: year after year after year. This juvenile competition. Teenage girl
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: competition with each other over the rank of the man
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: they get. And it is destroying relationship formation. Specifically, that
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: is destroying relationship formation. But of course, we can't hold
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: women accountable just like we can't Just like this woman
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: thinks somehow equating all of the risks men take to
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: approach women to women just signaling availability is asking the
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: same of men and women. It's asking the same amount
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: of effort from men and women. No, it's not. You
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: are asking substantially more from men. And men should, like, honestly, guys,
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: I don't think, I mean, like, does this convince you, Brian?
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: Does this article convince you to put more effort in?
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know you're married.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I'm already married, so dodge that bullet.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: But, no, I think that this is really short-sighted and naive,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: and it's incomplete. And I think, and I see that
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: people are rightfully calling it out in the comments, at
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: least a decent number of people. So yeah, the comment
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: section looks, yeah, there's some decent comments. Uh, I, I
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: did get a super chow and a super chat. I
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: want to read out and then we can look at
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: some comments if that's okay. Uh, dark Kiki Mora gave
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: us 50 and said just an update on the word
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: on the whole self identifying as misogynist thing. I was
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: permanently banned from the misogyny dating subreddit for being too
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: hardcore for them. They accused me of advocating violence and
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: being a coward and an abuser. I don't really agree
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: with that, but after that fell through and a bunch
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: of other drunken personals I created, the whole calling myself
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: a misogynist and talking about female faces being beaten stuff
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: did just seem kind of dumb looking at the thumbnails
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: of Badger Chan as a mash nurse or comforting Clancy's husband.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: It's just that a 2D waifu is really kind of
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: low bar.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, it's... No offense, Dark Kikimora. Actually, I shouldn't
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: say no offense, but seriously, this is some edgy teenage bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not constructive.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: But thank you for your super chat, nonetheless. Albatross gave
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: us $ 2 super chat and says, Whoever wrote this article
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: is a moron. I think like a child. It's very naive.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Xeranks gives us $ 5 and says... I think they talk
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: about women's want of connection needs to start with them
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: being questioned on whether they have sought out to understand men.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I think they need to start with ABC's Nora Vincent interview,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: reading her book and then talking to their fathers and
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: or brothers.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I think that women should become very curious about men
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: and their experiences and their being, like instead of just
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: simply looking at them as broken girls.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: Is that you saying, Brian?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: I added that bit at the end. The super chow
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: ended about that.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. That's actually a really good point. I'm
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: working on something. I haven't talked about it much, but
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: I'm working on a book that I'm probably going to
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: call something like Everything You Know About Men Is Wrong.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: And I'm hoping that it'll appeal to women's curiosity, at least,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: to know what men are as far as I can,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: from the research that I've done. It's not just me
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: just assuming stuff. Although, I mean, I think I'm probably
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: pretty gracious when it comes to my view of men. But, yeah,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, just looking at the anthropology, how it's been distorted,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: the statistics, the psychology of men in masculinity's field. Sorry,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: that is my nemesis. Feminism and all of that, like,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: just how feminism has distorted the way that men are viewed.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: And it's been very destructive. And it'd be nice to
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: engage women's curiosity, right, about about what the other half
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: the other half the like the same the stationed other
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: half of their own species is actually like uh but
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: anyway i just perked up at that we do have
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: a super chow.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Uh another one i read the super.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Chow yeah we do i read there's another one.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: The the wait i don't see it hold on hold
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: on is it not showing up yeah is there no
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: i don't see it in discord xeranks is there Xerox.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: I read that one.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I read it. Yes. That's the one we just
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: talked about. Oh, I read it. And I also replied
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  Speaker 2: to it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, OK. Never mind then. I thought that I thought
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: you said that was a.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I said I read the Super Chow and then I
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: responded to the Super Chow in the same breath by
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: adding that.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Women should understand men.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: We just got a Rumble grant now from OIC for
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: a dollar. I would like to read that future book, too.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Talk about your book.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, cool. I'll have to write it.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: So let's look at some comments.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: I am in the process.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: TJ Bryce.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Actually, before we look in the comments, before we look
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: in the comments, I just want to tell you guys again,
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• 1:04:08
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• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: You were listening. Math Freak was listening to me. Thank you. Yeah.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: So again, like, I mean, personally, this stuff is really hard.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Because there's no money. That's the wrong way to put it.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: There's no support for it in academia. There's no support
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: for it in corporations. There's just no support for it
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: in mainstream. And yet it's so critically important. Because we're
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: looking at something like... I'm looking at the statistical numbers
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: on marriage. In 2033, there will be no income... percentile
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: that men can get the marriage rate that their grandfathers
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: and great-grandfathers enjoyed at the tenth percentile. So if you
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: imagine men on a spectrum of income, the tenth percentile
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: is basically the lowest income of men. And the lowest
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: income of men throughout history married at about 77% to 84%.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: You don't see numbers like that now until men are
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: in the 85th percentile. And by 2033, based on my projections,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: there will be no income level that men can attain
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: to get the same marriage rate that his grandfather got
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: at the 10th percentile. At the lowest income rates. Just
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: think about that. This is a problem. And it's funny
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: because I'm looking now at a Princeton study that identified
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: the problem in 2011. 2011. They saw it. Of course,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: they blame men for it. Can you believe that, Brian?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: They basically said, oh, yes, this is hypergamy. Well, obviously,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: men are to blame because they are self-selecting themselves out
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: of relationships based on their relative rank to other men.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Can you freaking believe the nonsense? Do you even understand
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: what I just said, Brian?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: They honestly said that, yeah, oh yes, this is hypergamy.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: But men are to blame for hypergamy because they refuse
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: to marry women. They think they're below. What? What is this?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: What is this? This is the mainstream, guys. This is
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: the absolute state of delusion. I'm not even talking about
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: female delusion. This is researcher delusion. And I guarantee if
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: we were seeing this destruction in bees.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: We would be hearing about it. We are hearing about it.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Like the rate of relationship destruction in the human race.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: If we were seeing it in bees, we'd be hearing
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: about it. Coral reef bleaching, we hear about it. Coral
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: reefs not being able to reproduce themselves, we hear about that. Humans?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: I guess it's not that important. It's just not that important.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: That's what I mean by there's no resources in it. Nothing. Nothing.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Nobody invests in this. They all just blame it on men.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: And in our society, blaming something on men is sort
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: of like saying, it's not my problem, I don't have
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: to think about it. Well, it's everybody's problem. I'm pretty
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: sure that family formation is everybody's problem. Not just the
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: men it affects, but the women who think they're happy,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: but increasingly are medicated and miserable, but also the future.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: And people who don't want to live in, like, a
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: post-apocalyptic wasteland when they're 70. I don't. Right? This is really,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: really critically important. And I can see how important it is.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: And the institutions just don't care. I don't even understand
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: this level of indifference. It's insane. Yeah.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: It's like being eaten by piranhas and you're like, yeah,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: I still have my left leg. Oh, they took the
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: left leg too. Well, I still have my butt. Oh,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: they took the butt too. Oh, well, I guess we're
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: just going to have to be eaten by piranhas. Can't
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: do anything about it. It's like you could acknowledge it
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: and get out of the freaking lake. No. And I'm like,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: I'm just going mad with this. And the thing is
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: that I know this is a problem. I think everybody
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: who's listening to this knows it's a problem. And me
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: and Brian and Hannah, we're doing the work to try
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: to bring attention to this problem, but we can't do
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: it without you.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: You.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: And in fact, even $ 5, when I see someone put
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: $ 5 at feedthebadger.com slash support, I know that's somebody who
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: is caring about this issue. And the thing that terrifies
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: me most is the indifference that I'm seeing. Just the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: sheer level of inertial indifference. That's terrifying. So to know
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: that there are people out there that actually care about
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: this enough to invest $ 5, $ 10. Like I said, if
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: you all put in $ 25, we'd be done now. It'd
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: be over. The fundraiser, I'd be like, yippee, we're done.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: We got another month to bring attention to the things
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: that nobody wants to talk about. even though they're probably
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: killing us all collectively. So anyway, please consider doing that
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: because it's really heartening for me to know that somebody
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: is out there who cares about this other than me.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: And cares about it enough to invest to the degree that,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: you know, the rest of us have invested. I've invested.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: I've been spending like 14 hour days doing statistical analysis
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: on the marriage habits of Americans. I would I'm probably
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: going to try to do it on other cultures. I'm
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: not trying to single Americans out. It's just that you
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: guys really love your surveys. So lots and lots of data.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: And it's it is it is harrowing. So just know
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: that every time you go to feedthebadger.com slash support and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: just put anything in, it is another person I know
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: is cued in and cares about this. And I don't
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: feel so alone in caring about this and pulling my
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: resources into it. So once again, if you want to
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: continue to fight this fight and help us fight this fight,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: and I know that you guys have felt the problem.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: Like men have felt the problem. They know something is
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: wrong with the dating landscape. And they know it's in women.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: Nobody can talk about it because nobody can blame women.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: I can blame women. I will blame women because they
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: are to blame. But you have felt it. And now
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: I have the statistical proof that it is true. And
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: it is. I mean, like I said, Princeton saw it
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: in 2011. They published something on it. And then they
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: blame men and forgot about it. It's there. Anyway. If
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: you want to make sure that this continues to get
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: out there, feedthebadger.com slash support. Do it because you are
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: the thin red line. You are the front line. You
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: are the only ones who can be appealed to. All right.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: So once again, feedthebadger.com slash support. Feedthebadger.com or just feedthebadger.com.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: The form is on the front page. Very much appreciated.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Like I said, it's hard. pouring your life and soul
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: into this and feeling like nobody cares. And every time
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: you guys put something in the hat, I know you care.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: And I know you're listening, you're paying attention, which is important,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: but we can't continue without that. And I know I
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: can't continue. And that would mean that I have to
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: walk into this future knowing that there's this huge problem
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: that nobody is talking about. Right? And I see other
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: people on this side of the aisle, like the niche creators,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: and what they seem to be reaching for is a
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: lever to use on men to fix women. I'm like,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: that's not going to work.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: Anyway, the first step is to recognize the problem and
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: be able to blame women, honestly. So again, feedthebadger.com slash
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: support to support the show. Let's do some Well, I got.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: A couple more. Let's do some of these comments.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a couple of super comments, and then
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: I got some comments. So DarkKikimora gives us $ 5 and says,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: just one last not note, I guess. The Edgelord stuff
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: was kind of dumb and all, but it did get
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: me the most responses to any personal or dating app
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: thing I've ever used anywhere. So that can make whatever
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: statement about women you want it to, I guess. Uh,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Dylan then gives us $ 5 and says, there's a reason
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Trump kicked these people out of the press room of
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: the White House.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: All right. Thank you for that. Now comments. So the,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: one of the top comments, I'm just looking at the
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: top two comments.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: One of them is this, uh, gentleman named TJ Bryce
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: and he writes women leave us alone.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Men. Okay. Women. No, not like that.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: And then someone responded to him and said, typically, the
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: men who make statements like yours would flirt with a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: woman and call her pretty, and when she rejects his advances,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: the man would say, oh, you're fat and ugly. Not
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: saying you are doing it, but I have seen it happen.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: And then TJ Bryce responded to that person and said, blah, ha, ha,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I have never been in love, never had a girlfriend,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: and it's because of what my male peers did to
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: me and still, for the most part, continue to do
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: to me. They destroyed my growth socially and it has
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: haunted me for most of my adult life. I still
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: wake up with nightmares screaming. The older I get, the
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: harder it is for me to make friends. I have
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: the social skills of a wild animal.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: It is what it is. In recent years, I have
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: begun calling for the establishment of.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Adult social skills classes to be taught by those adept
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: at the social realm, not pick up artists.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: I don't want to read a book.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: I want to be taught how then be given the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: opportunity to practice what I've learned. Um, And then somebody
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: else responded to that comment about fat and ugly and said,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: you drink water. Every person I know who has killed
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: another person also drank water. Not accusing you of anything,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: but look sus, bro. Sort of like attacking their comment.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: What the heck is this? I'm confused.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: Somebody basically just said what you said. Women, leave us alone. Men, okay.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, people have to go in and say, well,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I don't like that, so I'm going to say something else.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But what about the guy who's like, Oh, I was, uh,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: I was poorly socialized.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: That's the same person that said women leave me alone.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: I think he was trying to basically say, I don't
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: approach women, but he basically made it like an opportunity
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: to trauma dump. Like here's my whole life, how much
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: of much of a mess it is. So you don't
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: approach women then?
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: No, I don't. Well then just say that. Um, you know,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: He just wanted to put his life story in there.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: It just turned into a fucking, it's worse than a confession. Um,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: CC prime responded to the original comment. Women leave us alone.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: Men.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: And said, I understand your point. It might often be true,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: but to copy and paste my reply above what?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just, just, okay.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Let's go to something else. I'll just go to something else.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Um, all right.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: So the other rated into internet swap, Yeah, it is.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: It is kind of internet slop.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Uh, I hastry, I, it hastry, I think, um, quote
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: quoted part of the article. So you can quote in,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: in media, but you can quote parts of the article
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: and then respond to a quote. So the quote from
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: the article said women being honest about whether they're open
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: to being approached, not performing unavailability because it feels safer
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: when what they actually want is connection. And then this
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: person said, why don't women approach women? Seems like an
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: easier solution if the issue is unwanted attention and safety.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Men don't typically feel unsafe around women, even if they
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: are strangers, and women really only want attention from people
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: they desire. And Love Unfiltered responded to that, but I
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: don't know if you want to say anything to that
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: specifically before I do move on.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah. Why don't women approach? Because they won't. And
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: also it's because I don't think women want relationships now.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Being approached by men is how their ego is fed.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: That's what I think.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's true. I'm going to do a shout-out.
• 1:16:59
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• 1:17:19
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• 1:17:22
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• 1:17:26
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• 1:17:29
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• 1:17:35
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• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: it's really good to know that at least somebody cares
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  Speaker 3: about this enough to make sure it can continue. Yeah.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Because sometimes it gets pretty dark. Anyway, feedthebadger.com slash support.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: So, Love Unfiltered responded to the thing about women approaching
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: and said, That's a fair challenge. The same social and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: safety dynamics that make men hesitant don't apply the same
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: way in reverse. And there's a real conversation to be
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: had about why women don't approach more often, given that asymmetry.
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  Speaker 1: Worth writing about. And someone responded to that and said,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: you should write about this asymmetry and be sure to
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  Speaker 1: speak to women from different ethnicities. This radically affects why
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: some women feel even more hesitancy than others. For example,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I am a woman of African descent living in the USA.
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  Speaker 1: I do not only, I don't not only because of safety,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: but also racism, colorism. Okay, so now we're, I'm also
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: a victim of a bunch of other things.
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  Speaker 2: Not just men not approaching me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, dude, men should avoid, if there's a woman that's
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: going to start talking about isms, I would avoid them
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: full stop. Because they're going to find something wrong with
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: you anyway. And then Dragon Ranger Burai replied and said, Yeah,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that even if the rate of
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: men approaching women continues to decline a lot everywhere significantly...
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  Speaker 1: What I mean by that is it won't make a difference.
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  Speaker 1: It won't have an effect because it won't cause women
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: to start approaching men.
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  Speaker 2: That will just never happen.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: And someone else, Nameki Sayen said, because most women still
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: want the right of first refusal. I think for most
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: of them, it's just a game to stroke their egos.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: A one SW developer said to the original comment, actually,
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  Speaker 1: this article is a bit uninformed about the problems. But
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: your suggestion is one of the best. Most of the
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: problems with dating are coming from the women. A woman
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: approaching a man is rejecting at least half of those problems.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Now that's a good comment and true. EB3313 said, 100% agree.
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  Speaker 1: I've been saying this for a long time. This is
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: in regards to women approaching. These are all in regards
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: to the women approaching comment. And Rudy says, because the
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: commitment to destroying gender roles is until it becomes inconvenient
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: for me. So, yes, they want to destroy gender roles
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: except the men's gender role, of course. CC Prime says,
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  Speaker 1: I can't speak for all women, but in my case,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I'm never looking to hook up with a stranger. I
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: get approached frequently and I try to be polite to
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: all but the most crude of men. I know they
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: are attracted to how I look and want to connect sexually.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Would you stop with the, you're just trying to signal
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: your hotness. I am very sexual, but I've always been
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: against one night stands and already have my sexual life
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: organized without any need for random encounters. So I try
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: to be polite, but I've never approached a man hoping
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: to score with time. I hope this does not offend
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  Speaker 1: you or women like me. I appreciate your bravery in
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: asking the question. Ugh, just grosses me out. Women, Gelasto Gelasto?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Gelatso says women want to be in their feminine energy.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 1: This fucking language. Pursuing is a masculine trait. Women are
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: in a weird place in which they have to be
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  Speaker 1: more masculine to occupy the workspace which has been traditionally
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: masculine but tend to be more comfortable in their natural
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: femme energy speaking broadly. It creates a push-pull dynamic.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: Not true. I don't think. I did. Okay. And then Felicity.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: I'm curious. I'm curious how women in their femme energy
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: managed to navigate the wild throughout the evolution of the hominin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm pretty sure that there was a lot
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: of work and a lot of saber tooth to run from.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Can't be too feminine. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, is feminine just a synonym for being a
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: lazy bum at this point?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: Passive, I guess, is one way to look at it. Yep, passive. Okay.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Next is, I did and ended up, so this is
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: like attack, again, a comment on the why don't women approach.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: I did and I ended up with a hot gay male.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: What? What?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: I even asked, didn't want to put stress on him.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Two years later, my gay friend figures it out almost.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: I find a picture of him dressed in drag. In
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: the Mexican-American community, there is so much discrimination in the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: male community.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: That's irrelevant.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Like, you approached a gay man. You wanted to basically
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: turn him out. You probably should be asking yourself why. Like,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: if he was offended by that, I wouldn't be surprised. But,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: of course, gay men.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Get targeted by women all the time because they're like, well,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: I could fix him. And it's funny because they would
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: get really upset if a man said to a lesbian,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: you're only a lesbian because you haven't had a good
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: enough dick.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: But they would find that offensive too. Okay, go ahead.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: I want to point something out. You notice how much
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: nonsense is in the way of women actually approaching men?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, they are expecting men to run the gamut
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: or the gauntlet to reproach women. And they don't want
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: to approach men because they might be rejected. The guy
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: might be gay. Oh, and they want to be in
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: their feminine energy. So men have to bring up the courage.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: They have to deal with an increasing level of hostility
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: and maximal punishment for approaching. And women should have every
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: right to keep all of that. And they have to
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: deal with a conversation that is completely distorted and one-sided
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: and doesn't even include them as victims of sexual assault
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: and harassment. Not only do they have to deal with that,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: but if women had to deal with it, they would
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: just no-sale it. And that's okay. They're going to be
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: in their feminine energy. Why is being in your feminine energy...
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: mean rules for thee, but not for me. Have you
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: noticed that? Like, men are expected to deal with stuff
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: at a much higher... Okay, fine. If that's the way
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: you want to roll, then why can't we say that
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: men are just better? Right? If you want to say
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: that it's equal for a man to fucking, I don't know,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: fight a goddamn lion and bring you its pelt in
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: order to be able to say hi, and you just
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: going up and lifting your, like, just twirling your hand
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: or your hair, you're tanning your hair, and making eyes
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: at the man is the same fucking effort, then I
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: think we should go back to just recognizing that men
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: are the superior gender. Right? You can be in your
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: feminine energy... But let's all just recognize what that means.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: You're weak. You're cowardly. And you want to have things
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: done for you. And that makes you inferior. Okay? I mean,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: I suspect that this term feminine energy, the way they're
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: using it, they're just using it to excuse their being bums.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: But I don't know.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: No, I think that's right. I think there's a lot
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: of truth to that.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: And I think we should go back to being able
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: to call women bums.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be so much easier. It would be
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: so much easier.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: You're not in your feminine era. You're just a slob
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: and a bum. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: feminine needs to have... If I were to say what
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: femininity is... It's recognizing when somebody has a need and
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: doing something about it. If it's different than men, men
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: will protect, they'll provide. Women will recognize when someone is
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: hungry or sick. It's different. It's like you recognize an
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: internal state and you do something about it. That's feminine.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: Taking care of something. Not this shit. Not sitting on
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: your ass pretending like you're the sultan's head frickin' harem girl.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't have to lift a finger. I'm in my
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: feminine era. Good lord. Okay. A big thank you to...
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