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Speaker 3: Well, what a great question. Yes, the book emerged relatively
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Speaker 3: in my career. In a response to a question my
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Speaker 3: daughter asked me that I couldn't answer, and I realized
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Speaker 3: I had some more work to do.
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Speaker 2: So that's where it started ten years ago.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's coming out at a really good time because
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Speaker 1: today on CNN they were talking about how these bots
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Speaker 1: are supposed to be the next big thing to help
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Speaker 1: people with their emotions, and I'm going, have.
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Speaker 2: They talked to this guy yet?
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Speaker 1: They need to go to choose any emotions and really
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Speaker 1: dig in that. There's no AI technology that is going
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Speaker 1: to cover what you do in this book.
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Speaker 2: That's what I said.
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Speaker 3: So the book is one hundred and thirty thousand words,
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Speaker 3: and I think fewer than one hundred of them were
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Speaker 3: AI generated. These are purely human expressions of emotion as
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Speaker 3: captured in quotes and terms and phrases that people use
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Speaker 3: every day.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but how do you handle that as the author,
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Speaker 1: the creator, and the one that's relinquishing the book, because
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Speaker 1: I know how I get when I'm reading other people's emotions,
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Speaker 1: you get them a little emotional yourself. How did you
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Speaker 1: keep it together?
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Speaker 3: Well, the starting point was my daughter asked me a
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Speaker 3: question at dinner. We had established a game. She was
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Speaker 3: in eighth grade. I was a professional researcher. We'd established
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Speaker 3: a game called College Bowl, where every two weeks we
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Speaker 3: would have a father daughter dinner and she got to
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Speaker 3: pick the restaurant, and I would bring a list of
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Speaker 3: two hundred prepared questions about almost anything, geography, music, history,
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Speaker 3: you name it, and if she got the right answer,
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Speaker 3: I would slide a two dollar bill across the table
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Speaker 3: to her. So this was an opportunity for her to
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Speaker 3: do much better than the standard allowance, and it was
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Speaker 3: a great opportunity for me to see what was up
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Speaker 3: with my teenage daughter. Two years into that, she was
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Speaker 3: calling me, Dad, can we do College Bowl again? I mean,
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Speaker 3: so we had it moving along, and I said sure.
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Speaker 3: So we met and she shows up at dinner with
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Speaker 3: a long face, and I could tell something serious was
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Speaker 3: bothering her.
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Speaker 2: She said, Dad, what do you know about depression?
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Speaker 3: So she turned the tables on me, and I knew,
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Speaker 3: or I knew nothing about depression. I mean, I knew
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Speaker 3: it was a person was sad, and I don't know
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Speaker 3: that I knew or even thought about much beyond that
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Speaker 3: I'd never.
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Speaker 2: Been around it.
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Speaker 3: I know that may sound strange, but I said, sweeter,
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Speaker 3: I can't help. I don't know. I've got work to do,
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Speaker 3: so I went to Barnes and Noble, I went online.
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Speaker 3: I surrounded myself with books and articles and laptops, and
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Speaker 3: I dug in and obviously there's a ton of help
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Speaker 3: to be gained from the psychologists and therapists of the world.
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Speaker 3: But what I found in the books that I was
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Speaker 3: looking at was more often than not acronyms scientific. You know,
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Speaker 3: what it looks like. But what was interesting to her
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Speaker 3: was how it feels. Of course, so I started to
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Speaker 3: jot down with post it notes. I started to.
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Speaker 2: Jot down.
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Speaker 3: Quotes from people who had experienced depression that made sense,
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Speaker 3: you know, that I thought might help my daughter. And
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Speaker 3: one of those quotes, the first I came across that
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Speaker 3: I wrote down, was by a writer named Rollo May.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know that name.
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Speaker 3: He was one of the very first self help writers
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Speaker 3: in the nineteen fifties, before they even used the term
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Speaker 3: self help, and his quote he was a depression survivor himself.
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Speaker 3: His quote was, depression is the inability to construct a future.
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Speaker 3: And that really grabbed me. I mean that that gave
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Speaker 3: me what my daughter was experiencing. I mean, I you know,
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Speaker 3: it wasn't the person is sad. We knew that, but
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Speaker 3: the inability to construct the future, not to be able
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Speaker 3: to get out of bed because.
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Speaker 2: You just can't see.
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Speaker 3: It what was meaningful to me. And then a few
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Speaker 3: days later I came across another quote from JK.
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Speaker 2: Rowling.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you know who she is, the writer of
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Speaker 3: the Harry Potter series. She too, earlier in her life,
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Speaker 3: had suffered terribly from depression, and her quote about it was,
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Speaker 3: depression is that absence of being able to envision you
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Speaker 3: will ever be cheerful again. It's the most unpleasant thing
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Speaker 3: I've ever experienced. And I jotted that one down because
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Speaker 3: I thought, Yeah, that's going to help my daughter. And
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Speaker 3: then a couple of days later I jotted down another
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Speaker 3: from a writer I doubt you know who she is.
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Speaker 3: She's a very talented freelance writer who also has survived depression,
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Speaker 3: and she wrote, Depression lies. It tells you you've always
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Speaker 3: felt this way and you always will feel this way.
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Speaker 3: But you haven't and you won't. In essence, you can recover.
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Speaker 3: So I'm sitting at my desk my daughter is you know.
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Speaker 3: One morning in this process, my daughter's across hand in
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Speaker 3: class and I thought, what the heck, I'll go ahead
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Speaker 3: and text these three quotes to her.
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Speaker 2: So I did you know?
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Speaker 3: I tapped away and pressed send, and two minutes later
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Speaker 3: I get a text back from her. I'm sure she
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Speaker 3: shouldn't have been reading or texting class that's what she
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Speaker 3: was doing.
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Speaker 2: And her text back to me, I'm crying. And I
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Speaker 2: was alarmed. I went, my gosh, why are you crying?
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Speaker 3: All these people suffered depression and recovered from it, you
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Speaker 3: will be okay.
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Speaker 2: And her response was, that's why I'm crying. Thank you dad.
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Speaker 3: Oh well, what a great what a great father daughter moment.
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Speaker 4: And so we you know, we met again for dinner
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Speaker 4: a night or two later, and we decided to expand
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Speaker 4: from depression to anxiety, to OCD to codependence.
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Speaker 2: We were onto something the issue.
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Speaker 3: It's not what it looks like as a scientist would
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Speaker 3: look at it, it's what it feels like. And by
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Speaker 3: coming up with quotes about what an emotion feels like,
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Speaker 3: we were onto something that really very few, almost nobody's
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Speaker 3: ever done before. So the book went started there and
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Speaker 3: nine years later, two hundred and seventy two different emotional
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Speaker 3: states as expressed by people who've experienced them, and they
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Speaker 3: can be very good you know, enthusiasm. They can be excitement,
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Speaker 3: they can be empathy, they can be anything. But our
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Speaker 3: starting point was the issues she was facing. Un Fortunately,
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Speaker 3: she recovered within months from all that and went on
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Speaker 3: to become a nurse and living happy life.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: I mean you yourself, you call emotions gears of life.
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Speaker 1: I thought that was very clever for you to say that,
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Speaker 1: because it is gears.
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Speaker 3: They are gears of life. And so I'm going to
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Speaker 3: add to that thought that that gears of life like
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Speaker 3: a bicyclist with a fifteen or a twenty five speed,
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Speaker 3: you know, you shift and use different gears for different terrain.
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Speaker 3: You can use emotions that way, as long as you
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Speaker 3: realize that you have the latitude to choose them. More
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Speaker 3: often than not people think, oh gee, this, you know,
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Speaker 3: bad news just happens to me. No, you have the
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Speaker 3: opportunity in life to choose your emotions. So to expand
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Speaker 3: on that thought, era of gears of life, which is
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Speaker 3: a pretty good model. I mean, it's very accurate. Emotions
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Speaker 3: are also like an operating system. So what I mean
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Speaker 3: by that, You've got a computer at your desk. It's
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Speaker 3: got printers and peripherals that feeded information to a central process.
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Speaker 2: So the central processor reviews.
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Speaker 3: The stimulus and the data and decides on a course
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Speaker 3: of action.
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Speaker 2: That's really what your emotions are.
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Speaker 3: And so in the course of my nine years of research,
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Speaker 3: it became daily more and more clear that emotions are
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Speaker 3: your navigational system. Write that down in bold letters and
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Speaker 3: underline it. They're your navigational system. Your emotions have the
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Speaker 3: first duty to protect you touch a hot steel if
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Speaker 3: you're going to withdraw your hand in an instant, right,
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Speaker 3: But they also have aside from the primary duty to
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Speaker 3: protect you, they have they give you the latitude to
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Speaker 3: expand your horizons and explore things curiosity, wonder, zeal, enthusiasm.
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Speaker 2: So your emotions are your operating system.
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Speaker 3: They first have the duty to protect you, and secondly
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Speaker 3: they allowed you to expand and investigate new things. And
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Speaker 3: that's a pretty handy way of looking at it, and
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Speaker 3: I think it's quite accurate.
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Speaker 1: Please do not move.
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Speaker 2: There's more with Doug Johnston coming up next.
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Speaker 1: You really need to dive into this book, Choosing Emotions
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Speaker 1: from Doug Johnston. Well, you know, until I got my
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Speaker 1: hands on your book, I'll tell you what I thought
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Speaker 1: that the emotions had a different definition, and that definition
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Speaker 1: was was more of this right here. So how you
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Speaker 1: do it today?
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Speaker 4: M hm?
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Speaker 2: So you're doing better? You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, that's that's how everybody was answering.
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Speaker 1: But I'm I'm praying that everybody gets into this, including
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Speaker 1: the younger generation, so we can get away from uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, because I mean, because you're you're really going
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Speaker 1: to open up their hearts to share a conversation.
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Speaker 3: Well, I love your saying that, because the sort of
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Speaker 3: a long running ethic or viewpoint in American society has
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Speaker 3: been to a later a greater, lesser degree of emotions
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Speaker 3: or versus. He don't talk about it, keep it to yourself,
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Speaker 3: all right, But what the top scientists across twelve or
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Speaker 3: thirteen different academic fields all say is that emotions are
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Speaker 3: solved through words, all right, And that seems obvious, but
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Speaker 3: it's not so obvious. And what do I mean by
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Speaker 3: the top twelve or thirteen disciplines. I'm going to read
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Speaker 3: you what they are. Physics, philosophy of language, engineering, linguistics, psychiatry, literature, neuroscience, psychology, art,
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Speaker 3: and the list of anthropology.
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Speaker 2: List goes on.
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Speaker 3: All the top Nobel laureates all say the same thing.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to read to you a quote from Neil's
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Speaker 3: bor That may not be a name that pops into
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Speaker 3: your head, but he was a nuclear physicist, worked with Einstein.
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Speaker 2: Neils Boor won the Nobel Prize. All right, here's this quote.
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Speaker 3: What is it that we human beings ultimately depend upon?
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Speaker 3: We depend upon our words? We are suspended in language.
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Speaker 3: Another world leader, lud big Wittgenstein, a German who was
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Speaker 3: the founder of the Philosophy of Language School of Academia.
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Speaker 3: Here's his quote, the limits of my knowledge are the
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Speaker 3: limits apart me. The limits of my language are the
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Speaker 3: limits of my world. A third quote. I won't go
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Speaker 3: much further than this, but Charles Kettering. You may have
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Speaker 3: heard of the Sloan Kettering Clinic in New York, the
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Speaker 3: Big Cancer Clinic. He was actually not a scientist. He
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Speaker 3: was more of an engineer, and he held one hundred
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Speaker 3: and eighty six patents. When you work for General motors,
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Speaker 3: that's where his fortune came from. His quote, I love
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Speaker 3: it is a problem well stated, is a problem half solved.
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Speaker 3: If you can put your problem into words, you're halfway there.
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Speaker 3: And my favorite of all of them is a UCLA
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Speaker 3: clinical psychiatrist named Dan Siegel. He's written several best sellers,
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Speaker 3: and to me, he wrote five of them. The most
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Speaker 3: powerful words ever written, name it entertainment. If you can
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Speaker 3: describe your problem in words, you're halfway to solving it.
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Speaker 1: In your journey of researching over the past nine years,
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Speaker 1: did any of it? Point fingers towards Julia Cameron and
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Speaker 1: the artist way, because I love the way you're talking
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Speaker 1: about using words, because in my heart I'm going, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, I feel like I'm talking with Julia right now.
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Speaker 2: I wish I knew more about her. Please share what
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Speaker 2: you know of her.
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Speaker 1: Well, she's the only one that's ever been able to
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Speaker 1: talk to me as a creative person. And that's what
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Speaker 1: it's all about, you know. You know, I've always believed
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Speaker 1: that creativity is an addiction. And you can be in
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Speaker 1: your kitchen, you can be at work, you can be anywhere.
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Speaker 1: Creativity is not just putting words on a page or
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Speaker 1: being an artist on a canvas. That creativity is in
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Speaker 1: everything that we do. But the problem is, though, is
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Speaker 1: that we come with judgment and what wet blankets and
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Speaker 1: things like that, and so so in nineteen ninety four
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Speaker 1: July of nineteen ninety four, while in California, I came
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Speaker 1: across her studies and it's like it changed everything. I'm
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Speaker 1: a daily writer, so that so that you know, I
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Speaker 1: every day's nineteen ninety four, I write. And that's what
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Speaker 1: I love about your book is I feel like that
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Speaker 1: it is such a blessing for someone to step forward
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Speaker 1: with their words. I believe in words, and oh my god,
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Speaker 1: so do you all right? I have a wonderful story
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Speaker 1: to tell you.
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Speaker 3: So I have nine years I published the book The
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Speaker 3: Last Word that I researched out of two hundred and
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Speaker 3: seventy two different emotions and using eight thousand different quotes
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Speaker 3: of world leaders. The last quote the last word was trauma.
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Speaker 3: And to me, that was really powerful. But I want
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Speaker 3: to read a quote to you from two more if
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Speaker 3: you don't mind.
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Speaker 2: Eryl.
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Speaker 3: One is from One is from Lisa Feldman Barrett. She
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Speaker 3: is a PhD at Northeastern University in Boston. She is
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Speaker 3: among the top one percent most often cited scientists.
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Speaker 2: In the world. And I'm going to respond to what
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Speaker 2: you said a moment ago. Here's her quote.
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Speaker 3: The more finely grained your vocabulary, the more precisely, your
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Speaker 3: brain can construct emotion.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a really powerful thought.
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Speaker 3: And then lastly Brene Brown, who is a clinical psychologist
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Speaker 3: from the University of Houston. She has six New York
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Speaker 3: Times bestsellers, so she knows sort of what she's doing.
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Speaker 3: Here's her quote. Language is our portal to meaning making.
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Speaker 3: Having access to the right words can open up entire universes. Well,
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Speaker 3: that's you're the creator. If you have the words, you
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Speaker 3: can create. And for whatever reason, we have as a
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Speaker 3: society bent a little bit slow in understanding that articulating
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Speaker 3: issues is the key and having the vocabulary is the key.
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Speaker 1: You still have my attention with something, and that's what
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Speaker 1: I love about you is the fact that you really
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Speaker 1: do know how to plant seeds and grow fruit. And
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Speaker 1: the thing that has my attention is the fact that
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Speaker 1: you talked about the very first person that did the
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Speaker 1: help wanting or help for you to help rebuild your life.
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Speaker 1: And the thing is is that you said it was
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Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, And of course my mother came into
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Speaker 1: mind immediately, because nineteen fifties, those that studied human emotion
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Speaker 1: back then they were facing the silent generation, and then
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Speaker 1: the generation after World War Two. Now you throw in
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Speaker 1: the Korean War. I mean, I can understand what the
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Speaker 1: heck was going on back there, So I mean it's
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Speaker 1: like you really took me into an area where I'm going.
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Speaker 1: I never even thought about what was going on back
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Speaker 1: there and why we would need a help wanted, you know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're basically trying to get our souls to
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Speaker 1: get working again here, and you just open people's eyes
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Speaker 1: so much with what you're doing.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you if I can shift a tiny bit.
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Speaker 3: There are three things that I learned about emotion in
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Speaker 3: the course of this long effort to write the book
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Speaker 3: that the average person misunderstands. So nobody's average, right, I mean,
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Speaker 3: everybody is unique and specially in their own way, but
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Speaker 3: collectively we you know, you can say that they're average things.
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Speaker 3: The average person in America thinks that they're only about
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Speaker 3: two dozen emotions. The reality is that they're in the
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Speaker 3: low hundreds. And these aren't complex emotions. These are everyday
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Speaker 3: emotions like blushing or flirtation, or bullying or narcissism, or
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Speaker 3: wonder or joy or zeal or lust, I mean, empathy, forgiveness.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if you just sit down, you think my gosh,
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Speaker 3: there really are a whole lot more emotions, all right.
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Speaker 3: The average person also misunderstands that emotions. The average person
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Speaker 3: thinks that that emotions are rare and occasional and sporadic.
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Speaker 3: Last Tuesday, my boss was annoying. You know, last night,
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Speaker 3: I was happy because I had a steak dinner. This morning,
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Speaker 3: my teenager was really curious about a new book. Right, So,
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Speaker 3: the average person thinks emotions are rare, that we are
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Speaker 3: normally rational. All right, Well, I want to help correct that.
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Speaker 3: All the leading scientists of the world, they're virtual unanimity
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Speaker 3: among the scientific community that emotions are foundational to reason.
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Speaker 2: So if you ever have heard.
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Speaker 3: Somebody dismiss somebody else and say, oh, well, Bill is
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Speaker 3: so emotional, I mean, you know, emotions get a bad name.
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Speaker 3: But the top Nobel Honda Prize winning neuroscientists in the
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Speaker 3: world all agree emotions are foundational reason. You cannot reason
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Speaker 3: unless you have emotions to assign value to your thoughts.
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Speaker 3: That's a powerful that's a powerful thing that the average person,
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Speaker 3: you know, sort of belittles emotions.
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Speaker 2: You know, my girlfriend she got emotional. My boyfriend he
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Speaker 2: got in a rage.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are negative aspects that can develop out of emotions.
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Speaker 3: But if you realize that emotions are foundational, it's just
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Speaker 3: your life, it really does.
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Speaker 2: You regard them as friends.
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Speaker 3: And if you can make friends with your emotions, you're
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Speaker 3: going to be a lot happier person. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I'm emotional, But you know how I deal
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Speaker 1: with it. I just tell people what personality would you
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Speaker 1: like to talk to today? So I just give him
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Speaker 1: that and they go, oh, which one are you today?
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Speaker 1: How do you describe this personality? Okay, let's go there.
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Speaker 2: Oh how great. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: The whole idea of being able to choose, you know,
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Speaker 3: it is at its core you can reacting.
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Speaker 2: Yes, we react. You touch a hot stile.
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Speaker 3: If you react, if somebody's angry, you're going to withdraw, right,
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Speaker 3: But you can choose them. And the moment you realize
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Speaker 3: that you can choose your emotions, you shift sort of
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Speaker 3: subtly to yourself. You shift from being a victim to
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Speaker 3: being a victor. You know, you know, you say, I
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Speaker 3: don't need to turn on the TV every night and
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Speaker 3: be fearful. I can call I can make a decision
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Speaker 3: to call friends like minded ends and do something fun. Yep,
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Speaker 3: you made that choice. Rather than just be sort of
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Speaker 3: paralyzed by a fear. It's a very empowering concept. You
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Speaker 3: can choose your emotions and that's why I name the
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Speaker 3: book Choosing Emotions. Wow.
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Speaker 1: So okay, you got to tell me that you're going
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Speaker 1: to be putting this on YouTube where you're going to
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Speaker 1: be doing your own podcast, because first of all, your
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Speaker 1: voice is fantastic. I don't know where you even got
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Speaker 1: that voice. When you say that you're a researcher, you
19:24
Speaker 1: should be doing something with.
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Speaker 2: Communications, and what a compliment.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, And I mean it's just and everything that
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Speaker 1: you put in this book deserves to be somewhere where
19:33
Speaker 1: people can tap into it when they're driving in the
19:35
Speaker 1: car and they feel like junk, or they're at work
19:37
Speaker 1: and their boss just jumped on their back. I need
19:40
Speaker 1: a hit of something. Well, yeah, they need a hit
19:42
Speaker 1: of your book? Is what they need?
19:44
Speaker 2: Well, the book is thank you.
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Speaker 3: The book is set up in alphabetical orders, so it
19:49
Speaker 3: goes from like abundance and awareness on through to wonder
19:53
Speaker 3: and zeal right, so you can read it in any
19:57
Speaker 3: five minutes you want. But the basic background it is
20:01
Speaker 3: if you have an issue in your life, and it
20:02
Speaker 3: may be a challenge like anxiety or depression, or OCD
20:07
Speaker 3: or codependence. Or it may be that you're a content
20:10
Speaker 3: creator like you, and you're looking to share something good
20:15
Speaker 3: like wonder or zeal or excitement. You know, there are
20:18
Speaker 3: plenty of very happy emotions in the world, and you
20:21
Speaker 3: want to create content. You can spend five minutes with
20:26
Speaker 3: this book, or you can spend an hour with it.
20:29
Speaker 3: But why not why not have the quotes and observations
20:34
Speaker 3: of eighteen hundred of the world's most successful people in
20:39
Speaker 3: your camp? I mean, why not take advantage of that
20:43
Speaker 3: if you like? For me, with my daughter, I knew
20:46
Speaker 3: nothing about depression, but what gave me insight was seeing
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Speaker 3: what smart people who recovered from it have said, and
20:55
Speaker 3: obviously it helped her.
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Speaker 2: So why not why not have the expert in your camp?
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Speaker 3: Why not? You know, their experience might be a tiny
21:03
Speaker 3: bit different from yours.
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Speaker 2: But why not why not see what Einstein said?
21:07
Speaker 3: Or why not see what a great artist said, or
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Speaker 3: a great sculptor, or a great psychologist or a great.
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Speaker 2: Physician.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the observations come from all nations, all walks
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Speaker 3: of life.
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Speaker 2: All cultures, all genders. There's no religious bias.
21:26
Speaker 3: I think we have forty different religions covered as contributors,
21:30
Speaker 3: So why not take advantage of wise people who've been
21:34
Speaker 3: before you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when I'm blessed with the opportunity to talk to
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Speaker 1: these big rock stars and movie stars and stuff. One
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Speaker 1: of my favorite questions to bring up, and it's not
21:42
Speaker 1: because I'm being a butt. I'll sit there and say,
21:44
Speaker 1: how you hanging with post production blues? And they know
21:48
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about, because all creative people go
21:52
Speaker 1: through post production blues.
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Speaker 2: You are talking on their inner dialogue.
21:57
Speaker 3: You are reaching them on a wavelength using post production
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Speaker 3: blues as a term. You're reaching them on a wavelength
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Speaker 3: of something that's so familiar to them they don't even
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Speaker 3: question it.
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Speaker 2: It's what they're thinking. It's exactly what they're thinking.
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Speaker 3: You're already in the inter sanctum with them as a
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Speaker 3: friend because you're utterly on their wavelength. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But see, that's what I love about your book is
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Speaker 1: that you are too, and I just I cannot wait
22:23
Speaker 1: to watch how people are going to levitate towards you.
22:26
Speaker 1: And it's just amazing what you have set free here.
22:30
Speaker 1: And then I'm sorry that it took nine years. But
22:32
Speaker 1: then again, there's that other side of me going, I
22:34
Speaker 1: think we could have gotten twelve years.
22:37
Speaker 2: Can I share one other story? So I finished the book.
22:42
Speaker 3: It is published in December January, a couple of months back,
22:45
Speaker 3: and a friend of mine called me and he said, hey,
22:47
Speaker 3: I'm thumbing through your book.
22:49
Speaker 2: He said, it's all human, right, I said, yeah.
22:51
Speaker 3: I think only seven or eight out of four thousand
22:54
Speaker 3: or eight thousand quotes was AI driven, so it's almost
22:57
Speaker 3: purely a human.
22:59
Speaker 2: He said, well, why don't you do something?
23:01
Speaker 3: Why don't you submit it to Claude AI and I, honestly,
23:05
Speaker 3: you're going to think I'm dumb.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know. I was so absorbed with getting the
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Speaker 2: book done. I had.
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Speaker 3: I knew, of course, of AI, but I didn't know Claude.
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Speaker 3: So I had the book an electronic form. I knew
23:17
Speaker 3: I could submit it electronically. And imagine me sitting in
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Speaker 3: front of my laptop. Do I press Sin to have
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Speaker 3: Claudie or review this manuscript or not? I mean, I
23:26
Speaker 3: really paused. I wasn't sure whether whether to do it
23:29
Speaker 3: or not. I thought, you know what, I'm happy with
23:31
Speaker 3: the book. I had SINN And three minutes later the
23:35
Speaker 3: response comes back from CLAUDIAI, and it says this is
23:38
Speaker 3: the single most comprehensive reference book on emotions in the
23:44
Speaker 3: English language. I could not have been more shocked. I
23:48
Speaker 3: had no idea that I had done that. I wasn't
23:51
Speaker 3: trying to do that. But emotions and ascribing words and
23:56
Speaker 3: phrases popular otherwise to emotions is something that hasn't really
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Speaker 3: been done before. So I'm breaking new ground in the
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Speaker 3: strange one.
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Speaker 1: How do you handle Claude now? Not using that in
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Speaker 1: the digital database? Because I see, I sit here and
24:10
Speaker 1: I try, I try to digest and dissect Alexa all
24:15
Speaker 1: the time, and I have reached points where she has
24:18
Speaker 1: or it has, has walked away from me saying I
24:20
Speaker 1: don't have information what you're talking about. And but that's
24:23
Speaker 1: what I love about it is that we're living it,
24:25
Speaker 1: and yet we're taking it to AI and the AI
24:28
Speaker 1: unit is going give me more, Please give me more.
24:32
Speaker 2: See AI. Guys.
24:33
Speaker 3: You know, I've approached a couple of other AI platforms
24:37
Speaker 3: aside called obviously Chat, GPT.
24:39
Speaker 2: Jim and I, and there's some other really really good
24:41
Speaker 2: ones out there.
24:43
Speaker 3: I've learned the the the amazing strengths and occasionally some
24:48
Speaker 3: weaknesses in what they do. Even last night, to sort
24:53
Speaker 3: of fill out your question, I was on with one
24:56
Speaker 3: of the I engines and I said, you know, this
24:59
Speaker 3: is a dictionary. I need to make sure that when
25:02
Speaker 3: you review what I'm sending you, it has to be
25:05
Speaker 3: word for word. You can't use your predictive technologies or
25:09
Speaker 3: your smoothing techniques to sort of guess what I'm going
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Speaker 3: to say.
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Speaker 2: This is a dictionary. The very essence of the dictionary
25:16
Speaker 2: is is precision. Yes. And the response was, oh my gosh.
25:20
Speaker 3: You know literally this is a response from the AI
25:22
Speaker 3: engines and they're saying you have to give us explicit
25:26
Speaker 3: instructions that it needs to be a word for word
25:28
Speaker 3: interpretation and not a generalized interpretation.
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Speaker 1: Worries that worries me only because one of the quotes
25:35
Speaker 1: from Mark Twain that has stuck with me is the
25:37
Speaker 1: fact that he says, if as an author, you've got
25:40
Speaker 1: to use your own writing accent. And sometimes I think
25:43
Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen with AI technology, is that
25:46
Speaker 1: if we keep shooting it in there, or we shoot
25:48
Speaker 1: them for answers, it's like all of a sudden, our
25:50
Speaker 1: personal writing accent is going to fade. And that and
25:53
Speaker 1: that's what I love about you being so strong with
25:55
Speaker 1: this with AI is that no, you you believe in
25:58
Speaker 1: your accent and your style. Like you said, you called
26:02
Speaker 1: it a dictionary.
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Speaker 2: It's a dictionary.
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Speaker 3: And actually it's been nicknamed as an emotionary because which
26:11
Speaker 3: is a wonderful word. A good friend of mine came
26:13
Speaker 3: up with that, and I said, the minute he said it,
26:16
Speaker 3: I said, that said.
26:16
Speaker 2: It is an emotionary because.
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Speaker 3: It mirrors the inner voice in your head about what
26:22
Speaker 3: it's like to actually experience the emotion, not what it
26:26
Speaker 3: looks like from across the room.
26:28
Speaker 2: For example, you may as a scientist.
26:31
Speaker 3: Let's say you're a scientist and you're looking across the
26:33
Speaker 3: room and a guy is sitting there quietly with his
26:35
Speaker 3: hands fold and not saying anything. And you would say, scientifically, well,
26:39
Speaker 3: that man is calm. I mean, he's quietly not you know,
26:42
Speaker 3: he's got his handsfold. He's not creating a problem for anybody.
26:45
Speaker 3: But in that person's world, even though they're sitting there
26:49
Speaker 3: quietly with their hands folded, they may be boiling man.
26:53
Speaker 2: And that's what's unique about emotions.
26:55
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily what it looks like, it's what it
26:58
Speaker 3: feels like, and what we captured in the book was
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Speaker 3: what it feels.
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Speaker 2: Like in a way that you can go, Yeah, that's.
27:05
Speaker 3: Exactly what That's exactly the way I feel, and then
27:08
Speaker 3: you can talk about it.
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Speaker 1: Wow, where can people go to find out more about you?
27:12
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes with you? Is nowhere near enough time for
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Speaker 1: them to find out where they are inside your pages?
27:19
Speaker 1: Because they're in there. I know they're in.
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Speaker 2: There, Oh Arrow, What a great compliment.
27:24
Speaker 3: So the book is available on Amazon, of course, Ingram Spark,
27:28
Speaker 3: of course, it's available in hardback in paperbook on Kindle,
27:34
Speaker 3: and it's doing really well in its first few months
27:37
Speaker 3: on Amazon.
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Speaker 2: That's amazing.
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Speaker 1: Please come back to this show anytime in the future.
27:41
Speaker 1: I love where your heart is. I love where everything
27:43
Speaker 1: that you're presenting here is just in the right place
27:45
Speaker 1: at the right time. You have been sent and you
27:47
Speaker 1: answered that call.
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Speaker 2: Oh Erro, what a compliment. I've been thrilled to be
27:52
Speaker 2: on your show. Thank you. I'd love to come back anytime.
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Speaker 2: You'll have me excellent.
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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
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Speaker 2: Okay, you too, Thanks so much.