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- 0:07It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for ignition with AW
- 0:11Fanhubb, this is Kelson, and this is Alex and we're gonna get right
- 0:15into it. We have our first topic for tonight, which is does AEW
- 0:22have the best roster in wrestling? Period? And this is across men's roster,
- 0:27women's roster. Just does AW have the best roster? Maybe? And
- 0:37I feel like, you know, I consider the women's roster and the men's
- 0:40roster separate in terms of thinking about do they have the best roster? I
- 0:46felt like aw's had the best men's roster for a long time, and the
- 0:53women's roster, I feel has kind of been behind, especially in terms of
- 0:59like some other companies. Yeah, WWE stardom, but now we're adding we'll
- 1:07lost Briantocada on top of what I've already thought was probably the best men's roster
- 1:11in wrestling, and now they're bringing in Mercedes Monae to kind of pop things
- 1:15up. I don't know if the women's roster's up there for me, but
- 1:19like I said, I think the men's roster has already been the best men's
- 1:25roster and wrestling. Sutton, what are your thoughts on that. I have
- 1:30to agree with you on that men's roster is unbelievable. I can't I don't
- 1:34think I can ever remember a time in the years that I've been watching wrestling
- 1:38that a roster has been that packed with. I mean, you have fifteen
- 1:42guys that could be main inventing and holding a title right now, and you
- 1:47don't have to wait for anybody to come back off injury. The women's side,
- 1:51I think that's the biggest problem they've had from the beginning of aw They've
- 1:57had too many people hurt too much much. I mean, when uh,
- 2:01Chris got hurt, and then you know, and then and then uh no,
- 2:07shoot, I can't think of her name. Uh she's tagging up.
- 2:12Uh, well, Hater got hurt, and then Baker Julia Hart was hurt
- 2:16for a while there. Yeah, line Leila Hirst was hurt. I mean,
- 2:24everybody's been hurt, and now the only ones that are really missing is
- 2:29Baker and Hater. Julia's back in the ring. Uh, you've got who's
- 2:37teaming up with h Diana tomorrow night. Thundorsn Rosa. That was probably the
- 2:43one that hurt them the most at the time. It happened because she just
- 2:46became champ and didn't really get to do anything with it at all. So
- 2:51I think, if you get her and Hater and and she's back, but
- 2:54she really hasn't done a whole lot yet. But if you get her and
- 2:57you get Hater back in, and you get the roster back to where it
- 3:02can be. I don't see another roster for any women's rosters that beat AW
- 3:07either, because WWE has a few, but they don't have them like I
- 3:12mean, They've got Bailey and they've got Flair and on the main roster.
- 3:17Those are the main two right now where you're ripley. But AW has again
- 3:23five or six women at this point in time, they could hold the title
- 3:25and run with it. So you know that's I think it's the best overall
- 3:30roster anywhere. What do you think, MK, I don't know. I
- 3:38really I really feel like let me think. Sorry, it's tossed up for
- 3:49me, but UH really do feel that the man's roster are better. I
- 3:53think the women's better honestly right now, because not only the people you guys
- 3:58mentioned, but I really feel like there are a lot of upcoming people like
- 4:04Miama, who is very good Megan Vannon, who's going to be coming in
- 4:08out I win. You know, there's a lot of upcoming people from other
- 4:12companies that are coming up that we haven't seen on screen yet. So I
- 4:15think the women's roster is better. It's a toss up for me on on
- 4:19the men's roster though, hmm interesting, So so MK, you think that
- 4:29the women's roster is the best out of any company and the men's roster is
- 4:33maybe not. The men's roster is getting there, but you know, WWE
- 4:43has a lot of great talent, Seth Rowland, Drew McIntyre. The roster's
- 4:47pretty deeper than men's, but the women's is it's not you know, they
- 4:50have a few, but I think there are more talented women out there that
- 4:57are coming up for AW and thunder Ross has been around a while. But
- 5:00like I said, I remember watching Megan Bannon on Dark a few matches and
- 5:04she has a look and she has she has it, and I think she'll
- 5:09be coming up. Mariah May of course, there's a lot of things going
- 5:12on with her, so I think she is there as well. So they're
- 5:16coming up, and you know, when Britt Baker comes back, I don't
- 5:19like her but she's an attraction for a lot of fans. You know,
- 5:27if we get is it Camilla from from Uhil, She's very good. I
- 5:35like Lady Frost's look. So there's a lot of young people coming up that
- 5:39I think could be bigger given a year. So in a year, you
- 5:45know, we're being on fire for the one this division mm hmm. And
- 5:50Nett, I guess you're joining us now we're talking about who has the strongest
- 5:57division in all of wrestling, Like who's who has the strong is men's roster
- 6:00and women's roster, not just the AW but you know, comparing AW to
- 6:04other companies even so, yeah, what are your thoughts on that? Let's
- 6:12see who has the strongest roster? Mm hmm. I'd have to stick with
- 6:20Let's see, I'd stick with ae W. They have a lot of good
- 6:26people on both sides, and Ring of Honor kind of feeds into that.
- 6:32I think that in the men's division, people like Malachi Black and of course
- 6:43Brian Danielson Penny if he comes back. Uh, there's a few others.
- 6:49I'm kind of spacey, but and then in the women's division, of course,
- 6:55I like Chris Stantlander. I think she's really strong and and Ruby Soho
- 7:02is actually really good. She gets overlooked a bit. She's kind of lost
- 7:06in that storyline at the moment. And yeah, so I would have to
- 7:14say AAW. Yeah. You know, for me, it's basically what are
- 7:19you looking for? What you say, who has the best roster pro wrestling?
- 7:25It really depends on what you're looking for on a roster. Look as
- 7:29far as wrestlers go, I think it could be very much an argument that
- 7:32AW has the strongest men's in women's division. But then again, if you're
- 7:38going by story and promo work, maybe not. You see what I'm saying
- 7:43there. I mean you also can't discount things like CMLL and GCW, New
- 7:50Japan, Tokyo Joshi pro Stardom because look, even though AW has a great
- 7:58women's division, if you put them against last year's Stardom early last year's stardom
- 8:05division, Stardom had him beat by a mile. You know, they've unfortunately
- 8:11lost to quite a few wrestlers from their roster. And now Rossi Agala is
- 8:16going to be creating a new promotion and that could very well be the strongest
- 8:22based on people that are loyal to him. I mean, it's dynamic.
- 8:28It's always going to change. One thing that could possibly be said is that
- 8:33looking at the names, AW may have the strongest male roster and the strongest
- 8:39female roster, but okay, it remains to be seen. Well, we'll
- 8:46have to see. I mean, you've got a lot of people like Osbury,
- 8:48Mercedes, Monet, Okada. They haven't done anything really in AW yet
- 8:56except have a couple of really good matches. I mean, I think we
- 9:01can all agree that the best is yet to come, or possibly the worst.
- 9:05We'll have to see. It's a wait and see. M keep that
- 9:09title for a long time. What was that, buddy Adie can keep that
- 9:13title for a long time? Oh god, tomorrow, Okay, on tomorrow.
- 9:20That's twenty four hours. So so so now you know. Look,
- 9:24AW has this thing where a w does a lot of dream matches, And
- 9:30what we're gonna do is the dream matches to me, are are they dream
- 9:35matches for the fans or the dream matches for the wrestlers? Like when you
- 9:41look at Brian Danielson, for example, I have a feeling that those are
- 9:45dream matches for Brian Danielson, not necessarily the fans, at least not for
- 9:48me. I don't know how you guys feel about it, But what are
- 9:52our dream matches? And I'm gonna give you mine. We talked that,
- 9:58you know, if we talked about overlooked wrestlers, you know, like Ruby
- 10:01Soho. My overlooked wrestler is Riho, and Riho is part of my dream
- 10:07match. My dream match is Riho against Jim Cornett because I want to see
- 10:16Rio once and for all pick the living ship out of that effort. God
- 10:20damn it, where to God? You know? Just Rio, just do
- 10:26your business and special guest referee Bcky you know in that match? Oh God,
- 10:37And I wanted and I wanted to be like just all out, Just
- 10:45Rio, do whatever you want and just show that asshole whatever you need to
- 10:50do. Because does anybody doubt that Rio could kick Jim Cornett? She could
- 10:54kick my ass. She could probably kick everybody hear his ass. Sure she's
- 10:58small, but you can She'll exhaust everybody out thirty seconds and they kick everybody's
- 11:03ass. I don't doubt that one bit. She's she's been wrestling longer than
- 11:07most of the Rocks has been alive. If you think about it. Yeah,
- 11:11ever, she's also look if you take away her size, which is
- 11:18what everybody, nobody ever says she can't wrestle. They say she looks like
- 11:22she's too tiny, right. You know what that tells me is that if
- 11:26she was the size and say somebody like, you know, if she was
- 11:33rehobed, but she was the size of Chris Statlander, she would be the
- 11:35best wrestler in the world because she's already a pretty darn good, great,
- 11:43fantastic technical wrestler. That's the point. And Jim Cornett, who sits there
- 11:48with a tennis racket that he's never used, just like Jeff Jarrett has the
- 11:52guitar that he never plays. You know, shut the hell up and let
- 12:00her kick your ass just once. I want to see it. That's my
- 12:03dream match. What is your dream match? Wow, I'd be honest with
- 12:09you, there are so many that would be awesome to see. I I
- 12:15kind of I kind of agree with you a little bit on that, where
- 12:16you know, are we talking about the man that the people who are in
- 12:20the match or the people who are watching it, Because I'm I'm really sure
- 12:24that a lot of the wrestlers are going to have a different list of what
- 12:28we want to see. If I had to choose one match from right now
- 12:35I would love to see, Honestly, I would love to see like Orange
- 12:39Cassidy versus I. Honestly, I really haven't been able to come up with
- 12:46just one, but Orange is one of my favorite wrestlers on the roster,
- 12:52because I mean not just one. Three. You haven't said anything yet.
- 12:58Yeah, I would love to see h Honestly, I would like to see
- 13:01somebody like Daniel Bryan versus Zach Saber Junior on ours. I know Zach's not
- 13:07part of our roster, but he is part of New Japan and they work
- 13:11with each other. That would be one of my dream matches to see Daniel.
- 13:15Who's Daniel Bryan. Oh yeah, yeah, Brian Danielson. Oh that
- 13:18guy? Okay, that guy. You know what I'm talking about, you
- 13:22know, But there there's just like it came to me when I was watching
- 13:24the match on Saturday when he wrestled Shibata, and they said, Tony said,
- 13:28you know, this is a dream match, and I got to thinking,
- 13:33good God, the number of people I would love to see, like
- 13:35MJF versus h will Ospray. You know, some there's just it's it's the
- 13:43point where there are so many guys and girls. I mean, I would
- 13:46love to see Chris versus Jamie Hayter, or versus our champion or any of
- 13:54those girls that she hasn't had a chance to go up against yet, because
- 13:56Chris Stadler is my favorite woman's wrestler. But it's is there. It is
- 14:00really hard to come up with. Say I would have to take a bout
- 14:03a month to sit down and look at the whole roster and go yeah,
- 14:07but they did not and come up with a good you know what I mean,
- 14:09It would be hard for me to do that. Let me let me
- 14:13ask you a question. Suddon. Talk about Brian Danielson, and he's had
- 14:18several dream matches. Now, of course, he did have one on a
- 14:22pay per view, which I'm but I'm talking. I want to talk specifically
- 14:24about on free TV. Would you say that the match between Danielson and Shabbata
- 14:33on free TV that took place on what was a collision, was that the
- 14:37best dream match so far for Danielson? No, No, which one did
- 14:43you pick? I would say it would have been uh, he wrestled he
- 14:46wrestled Osprey before that match was off the hook? That was that was?
- 14:52That was that we're doing that was that was our pay per view? I
- 14:56think that was it. Uh, it was on though, No, not
- 15:01with New Japan. Yeah, I'll talk about I mean, he wrestles,
- 15:07He's wrestled most of everybody that he needed to wrestle. I don't think he
- 15:11really has a whole lot that he has to do. But with it being
- 15:15in a W, the Osprey match with him would probably be if it was
- 15:18on free TV, that would be the ultimate one. Yeah, t Qustia,
- 15:22I mean there, Jay White, Uh, you name anybody that's in
- 15:28the the uh in the main event area of the a W roster is a
- 15:35dream match with with with Danielson because I think he's probably along with Ta Kestia
- 15:41and Osprey, they're probably the three top guys in a W when it comes
- 15:46to putting on superior matches. Kenny can put one on. But he hasn't
- 15:50wrestled for Salon because he's been hurt, and he was hurt forever and then
- 15:54he came back in and he's got the AIS and he's no way nobody knows
- 16:00if he's coming back or when, so you know, you kind of can't
- 16:03really count him in there. But I think that if he comes back and
- 16:07comes healthy, him and him and uh, him and Danielson would be a
- 16:10great match too to watch. So you know, there's just so many that
- 16:15you could you could ray down. You know, I'd love to see in
- 16:18the tag team division. I'd like to see uh the uh. I would
- 16:25like to see the f t R versus the acclaim. That would be an
- 16:30awesome match to have. Uh My, one of my favorite matches of the
- 16:34that they've had in a W was a dream match when it was the first
- 16:38ladder match between Nicholas and Matthew and uh the Lucher Rose. That was one
- 16:47of the greatest, you know, ladder matches of all time. And it
- 16:51was on free TV, So you know, they that's the nice thing about
- 16:55aw Tony's not afraid to put those kind of matches on free TV. He
- 17:00doesn't hoard them all for the pay per views. Because he could have held
- 17:03that ship, that match between Shabata and Danielson, he could have put it
- 17:08on a pay per view, but he gave it to us for free.
- 17:12Mm hmm. Yeah, so he gave us about ten potential matches. That's
- 17:26one, but you wouldn't you went above and beyond. That's great. Okay,
- 17:32I'm sorry, I'm just playing with you. MK. Well what do
- 17:38you what are your thoughts on what is your dream match or dream matches?
- 17:45M hm, there you go. Uh my big one I really want to
- 17:51see is it is is Ray Phoenix versus will Ostprey those those to create matches
- 18:00together. And also I want to see versus Osprey is nobody but me want
- 18:10to see ReHO and Jim Cornett, Well yeah, dream Cornett's not yet signed
- 18:17to a W, so once that, once he gets that, Jim Cornett
- 18:21is all elite forbidden door Come on, what can be more forbidden than Jim
- 18:26Cornett in a W Come on? That's true? Oh man, okay,
- 18:38Throughnett, what what do you have in terms of dream matches? Dream matches?
- 18:48I would love to see my good good commentator Nigel Russell, Ryan Dan,
- 19:00you'll send in a Texas deathmatch? Oh wow, I would love to
- 19:07see it. Well, that would never happen with Dijel he b. But
- 19:12they can have a clam digging contest. Yeah there you go, yeah something,
- 19:18give us something and and almost to the point of the they do an
- 19:22I quit match because they're they're dislike of one another. Is just epic.
- 19:34I'm trying to think who else would I like to see as far as I
- 19:40have. Honestly, I feel like I've seen a lot of dream matches,
- 19:45a lot of things as a fan that I've wanted to see. And I
- 19:48think that might come from Tony Kahan being a wrestling fan and he's kind of
- 20:00a part of my generation, so he and I seem to have very similar
- 20:04tastes in a lot of wrestlers. And yeah, let me start a question
- 20:14out to you and and everybody else can answer this too, but we aw
- 20:18just signed Mercedes Monette. Yeah, what's a dream match? Whether within the
- 20:22a w roster or forbidden door? What's a good dream match for Mercedes spot?
- 20:30Oh? I don't know with her, geez, that's a tough one.
- 20:37You know who I like to see her? Russell is Britt Baker.
- 20:40Okay, that makes sense? Yeah, well just you know how to uh
- 20:45just threw up a little in his mouth. But I don't say that I
- 20:49don't like to I'm no Britt Baker fan, but I I would like to
- 20:53see her Russell Britt Baker. If if I could see anything, I would
- 20:59I would like to see that one. That would be the one I'd like
- 21:02to see. Does anybody else want to answer that question? From? For
- 21:07me? From Mercedes? I didn't want her much in the other place.
- 21:12I didn't want your in w W e very. I mean, I knew
- 21:15who she was because everybody you know, you know that, you hear it,
- 21:18you see it from other places. But I don't really I have to
- 21:23see her in the ring and how she is now, you know what I
- 21:29mean, Because you come back from an anchoringery when you've missed almost a year
- 21:33not going to be an easy thing. Okay, let's just say. I
- 21:36mean, you know how big her name is. What's a good name for
- 21:40her to wrestle? That would be a dream match in a w or Forbidden
- 21:44Dorish Jami Hayter or Julia Julian from Stardom not Julia, yeah, Stardom.
- 21:53Okay, yeah, I want to hear go ahead against Rosa. I think
- 22:02thunder Rosa and her have the same style, same aggressive attitude. You got
- 22:07are three indeed? Right? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? For me,
- 22:17I want to see Mercedes versus Statlander because to me, Statlander is kind of
- 22:23someone that I've seen that's kind of like Charlotte Flair in w W E and
- 22:29I want to see and and in Mercedes. When she was in WW,
- 22:33she had tons of matches against Charlotte, So I want to see what Statlander
- 22:38looks like inner match with Mercedes. For that reason, just throw it in
- 22:45there. I want to see uh, Mercedes and Julia as well from stardom
- 22:52mm hmm, yeah, I guess. And then for my my dream mad
- 23:00that I'm I'm been thinking about. Like first, you know, there's obviously
- 23:04Will Osprey versus every single person in the roster, oh kind of versus everybody.
- 23:10But the thing that I really wanted to see, and I've been thinking
- 23:15about this for a while since the Young Bucks debuted their new personas is Young
- 23:22Bucks versus Christian Cage and Adam Copeland. And I'm thinking, yeah, doing
- 23:30that at like All Out or yeah, the big Wembley Stadium pay per view,
- 23:34I think mm hmm. And maybe for some extra flavor, make it
- 23:45a three way tag match like a TLC type of match and throwing FTR as
- 23:52well, But that might make it be making it too complicated. Yeah,
- 24:00see that's where that's where with the like having Matt and Jeff there, I
- 24:06wish they were as healthy and able to go a little more than they can
- 24:12because you have the innovators of the ladder match, the Hardy's Christian Edge or
- 24:19Christian and Cage. I mean you know what I mean that would be and
- 24:23you throw it in the Young Bucks and and the Luci Bros. Oh my
- 24:26god, what a four way match that could be if they were able to
- 24:30do it. Yeah, go to a four way match. It comes too
- 24:33convoluted, and just keep it a one on one team against another team.
- 24:38But then you could do a tournament even if you wanted to. Just don't
- 24:44put four way because that totally ruins the whole purpose of it. I wish
- 24:48Tony Con. In my opinion, that's the biggest weakness with AW is that
- 24:52twenty con puts on some good matches that would have been good matches if you
- 24:59would have kept them one on one or two on two instead of sticks on
- 25:03six. You know, they just become convoluted. True. Yeah, Okay,
- 25:15I guess we'll change topics. I know, m K. You had
- 25:22a topic you wanted to bring up from the legend al Snow. Yes,
- 25:29legendary Al Snow. Uh. Yeah, you know it's been talked about,
- 25:34not only but him by Ray had a comment about it too. Uh yeah,
- 25:40I posted this on ah on the on the Red on the subreddit and
- 25:48Stephan Att had a poll about it and said overwhelming people will disagree with me,
- 25:52but I feel that a W wrestlers are a few dangerous for their own
- 25:57goods sometimes. And uh, just like the Last Dynamite, I felt like,
- 26:06you know, I felt that Darby Allen did not need to do some
- 26:08of the movies. He's he's he's done, and he injured himself just to
- 26:12the fact that injure himself. You know, the scissor lift fiasco with Sammy
- 26:18Guevara and uh and Matt Hardy was another one that I felt, you know,
- 26:23why even have that matches? Why do we need to do things sometimes?
- 26:29Tony Kah needs to sit down these guys and say, hey, we
- 26:30need to play safe. Maybe it's me from an older age of being,
- 26:34you know, you want the rest of to be safe and do it right
- 26:41and not hurt each other. And why I'm mean to hear what you guys
- 26:45think, but I just want people to be safe and have a good long
- 26:49career instead of being a human wrecking ball. But uh, Alice, what
- 26:56do you think about that? Uh? Yeah, Lake, I'm an ECW
- 27:02kid. That was like my number one promotion back in the day, So
- 27:08yeah, I do like seeing the riskier moves. That's what makes me love
- 27:14Darby Allen is the fact that he's doing these crazy things. And I feel
- 27:22like wrestlers are a little bit more like they're safe in a way. They're
- 27:30not using drugs and stuff, but they are aching these horrible bumps that are
- 27:37are pretty crazy, and it does escalate over time, like you gotta climb
- 27:41a higher and higher ladder. Darby's jumping through a table, but then he's
- 27:48jumping through just chairs, and now he's jumping through glass into chairs. So
- 27:52it does make me worry for these guys. I don't know if I agree
- 27:56with Al snow saying someone's gonna die in the ring, but I do think
- 28:00it is dangerous, and on one hand, I like to see it because
- 28:07that's something that I've always enjoyed as a wrestling fan. But I don't know,
- 28:11I do want it to be done safely. I'm Sutton, what are
- 28:17your thoughts on that? Well, I don't know. I agree they do
- 28:22a lot more dangerous things than they used to, but growing up watching wrestling
- 28:26as long as I have. I come from the air. When they started
- 28:30out with they started having the scalfiting, scalfiting scoffolding scaffold match. Yeah,
- 28:34you know, you got those guys twenty feet in the air beating the living
- 28:40crap out of each other, and as somebody falls to the table. I
- 28:42watched. You know, we've all seen it a dozen times when Undertaker through
- 28:48Mick Foley off the top of the cage. I mean, there's always been
- 28:52a bit of danger in the sport because unbeknownst to everybody that thinks it's real,
- 29:00not real, it's real. I'm sorry Darby went through the glass for
- 29:04real. I mean, you know he knows what he's doing. I think
- 29:07that I think that, you know, there is some safety concern if you
- 29:11give you have to have a limit. You can't keep going to the top
- 29:15of the building, you can't go that far. You have to have a
- 29:18limit. Somewhere should have a limit. But with the general way they're doing
- 29:22things, I just think it's the evolution of wrestling. What do you think
- 29:26that. I think that nowadays, I think wrestling is a lot safer than
- 29:36it used to be, and I like that excitement with a little hint of
- 29:44you know, is it dangerous, what's going to happen? Like when Darby
- 29:48went through that glass. I was absolutely amazed that he did that. And
- 29:55I think that they take precautions to make sure that they're as safe as they
- 30:00can be. People don't always talk about the things that have actually happened in
- 30:07wrestling, where people have actually died, and they shy away from that.
- 30:17I don't know if it's because it's just a tragedy and you just don't want
- 30:21to talk about it, or if it adds to the well wrestling isn't real.
- 30:26None of you know that can't be possible. But I don't know.
- 30:33I feel like wrestling is as safe as it can be. And if you
- 30:38if you want to get into stuff that is really dangerous. If you want
- 30:45to see really dangerous wrestling, go see death matches. Those are dangerous and
- 30:52those make me question the sanity of a lot of people, including myself.
- 30:59So so, oh, we all know you're crazy. Yeah, see,
- 31:03you guys know. I think they're as safe as they can be. I
- 31:07don't I don't think anybody's taking unnecessary risks just for the sake of, say,
- 31:12of taking them. I don't think so I think it's pretty pretty safe,
- 31:19and it's you know, nothing horrible has happened in a w at least
- 31:27that I can think of where somebody has really really been hurt on live TV,
- 31:33for example, and you know I have to stop the show. So
- 31:41I'm I don't, I don't know. I like the risk. Yeah,
- 31:45I mean, Look, the way I look at it is this is like,
- 31:48compared to WWE or AW more susceptible to injuries than WWE wrestlers. Yes.
- 31:56The reason why is because AW TV shows, the two hour TV show
- 32:01Dynamite has far more wrestling than a three hour show on RAW. You know,
- 32:07you're looking at just the body of work. You know, have there
- 32:10been stupid injuries? Yes, you know throughout wrestling one that I could think
- 32:16of. Look, you don't put wrestlers in a situation that opens them up
- 32:21for injuries because it's out of their realm. The best example of that I
- 32:25can tell you is that top rope jump from Sid Vicious in w c W
- 32:30whare he It was a very simple move for most wrestlers in ae W that
- 32:37are able to do top rope stuff. Sid Vicious couldn't. He landed on
- 32:39his feet and his leg just broke, you know, you know, you
- 32:45know that was it and it was not and he should he had no business
- 32:47doing that, and everybody was said that at the time. You know that
- 32:52I saw, yeah, And then you know, then again, then you
- 32:55look at Dante Martin and the Ring of Honor when he broke his leg last
- 32:58year. That was just an a fortunate accident. It was well within his
- 33:01realm of his abilities and the abilities of the wrestlers he was fighting against.
- 33:05It was just an unfortunate accident. Then you look at the staying Great Muda
- 33:09and Buddy Matthews with Julia Hart on the apron. Julia Hart got bumped by
- 33:15Matthews. She completely missed the table table and planned it on her back and
- 33:19on her head on the floor. She should have never been put in that
- 33:22position. She's not, you know, that type of person. But to
- 33:27her credit, she heeled up, she came back, and then she took
- 33:30a V trigger in the same fashion from Kenny Obega, so got to give
- 33:36it to her. So you know, it's just like, what are you
- 33:37doing here? But you know, look, I've you know, the women
- 33:43in a w Russell Morton, women in a INWWE, the men in a
- 33:46w Russell Mord and the women in WWE, the women in Start of Russell
- 33:52a lot more than the wrestlers in AW and w CO mine probably, you
- 33:58know, So, I mean you just got to look at it that way.
- 34:00And you know, look, we all saw the match where Sammy Gaevara
- 34:05broke the nose of Jeff Hardy. Well, that was an accident. You
- 34:10know, nothing will convince me otherwise it was an accident. Now, some
- 34:15people will say that Semi Gafara is a botch machine and that he shouldn't be
- 34:19doing this stuff, but that's Semi Gavara's style wrestling. And if you get
- 34:22in the ring with Semi Gafara, you're taking that risk. You know,
- 34:25It's as simple as that. You know, look at the same move was
- 34:30done and start him on Mina Shirkawa, and Mina Shirkawa took the bump and
- 34:36got the need of to face it. Not every single one of her teeth
- 34:40in her lower jaw completely loose. It looked like, you know, and
- 34:44she was out for a long time. You know, so accidents to happen,
- 34:49But if you're in a ring with somebody who's known to do that,
- 34:52when you're asked to go into that match, just say no, you got
- 34:57to agree, you know, to rest that person, or you got to
- 35:00agree to a spot. Hardy agreed to that spot. Sammy got suspended not
- 35:06because of that particular spot. It was because of he did his g go
- 35:14to Sleep finisher after he was told to bring it home because of a concussion
- 35:20protocol, and he still did a finisher like that and that's why he got
- 35:23suspended. So you know, you got to be smart. That's all there
- 35:27is to it. That's it. And speaking of concussions, like nowadays,
- 35:34if you get a concussion in a match, and there's been some high profile
- 35:37ones with John Moxley and Jeff Hardy just now, but after they get the
- 35:42concussion, they don't wrestle again for a while, whereas they used to just
- 35:46they would just keep wrestling and wrestling, and then they'd have a concussion every
- 35:50single match, like a little one, and those are what really piles up
- 35:53on you. And they're way smarter about it these days, so that's a
- 35:58positive. Well, how many times has Dormy done that move that he got
- 36:02hurt on on Wednesday last week? He dies out the ring like that every
- 36:07time he wrestles and this one time he landed wrong. Accidents happened exactly.
- 36:14So you know, look, we've got a w Dynamite coming to live Wednesday
- 36:20night from Toronto, Canada in a venue and an evening where Rampage is also
- 36:29live. Right after Dynamites, we have three hours of wrestling. Our good
- 36:32friend here, Alex is going to be in attendance tomorrow night in Toronto.
- 36:37Uh so if you're watching on TV tomorrow, he'll be the naked guy doing
- 36:42jumping Jackson the second row. Yeah. Oh man. Anyway, I'm sure
- 36:52wet shirt naked otherwise, yea naked otherwise, but an FDRs or Charlie Brown.
- 37:00So we've got this this card. I mean, there's some really good
- 37:07matches on this card, even on Dynamite and Rampage have they both have good
- 37:14matches or interesting matches. There's a couple of clunkers. I would say,
- 37:20Uh, it's one that I'm really worried about. But uh, let's get
- 37:24a preview of the next Tomorrow night's Dynamite going. And I'm gonna talk about
- 37:34I don't know, I don't really have a lot to say about this,
- 37:37but I do want to get everybody's opinion about Chris Jericho and hook Uh Sutton,
- 37:44I'm gonna go right to you because I literally have nothing to say about
- 37:46this match, and that should be a testament what I'm how much I'm looking
- 37:50forward to this match. Do you see any we're giving value with this match
- 37:53at all? Not? Really? I mean, I get what Chris is
- 37:57saying. I listen to the to the you know, he said he wants
- 38:00he likes to know. He can't learn everything he wants to about somebody by
- 38:04wrestling with them. He has to wrestle against them, and I get that,
- 38:08but in general, like most people think it's unnecessary, there's no reason
- 38:14for this match. It's not leading to anything. If they're going to be
- 38:17a tag team, they're going to be a tag team. What does it
- 38:21matter if he can beat him or not. Well, let me ask you
- 38:23this. I want to break in because Chris Jericho has gone on record saying
- 38:28that he's he likes getting the younger guys over, and he has done a
- 38:31really good job about getting younger guys over. But at some point, if
- 38:37you're constantly getting younger guys over and you're not winning yourself, because let's face
- 38:42it, Chris Jericho hasn't been winning a whole hell of a lot lately.
- 38:45Are you really getting younger talent over when everybody else has beaten you anyway too?
- 38:50You know, well, I mean it is it is Chris Jericho.
- 38:53He's arguably one of the greatest of all time. He's done this for nearly
- 39:00forty years. He's wrestled everywhere. He's had a great career, So you
- 39:05know, it's it. It would be. I think he puts he gives
- 39:08them something. I don't know if it's as much as he thinks he does.
- 39:14But you know, there's gonna come a time where you have to move
- 39:17away from that, you really do, because it's not doing anything, it's
- 39:22not doing enough for them. Hook's over. I don't know how much moreover
- 39:24you can make Hook, you know what I mean. He is theot.
- 39:30He's probably one of the most over guys on the on the roster right now.
- 39:35So you know, there's there's this is basically for Jericho to get a
- 39:39match with Hook. It's MK. What are your thoughts on the Jared ko
- 39:50versus Hook match. I think it's a good matchup for him. You know,
- 39:54he needs to go against veterans who have been there, done that,
- 39:59and learn how to style his matches better and get him moved different move set
- 40:06and get him out of the minds mindset he's in right now. I like
- 40:13Hook. I don't get the popularity for him. I think he's a nepotism
- 40:16higher that has gotten over himself over And that's fine. But if you want
- 40:22to, as Rick Clair says, to be the man, you have to
- 40:27beat the man, and you have to be able to go with veterans and
- 40:31they know how to put on a match and like it or not. Chris
- 40:34Jerrich who could put on a good match. I don't know where it's going.
- 40:37I assume somewhere, I don't. I don't know, but for sure
- 40:44with one guy, I if I had to have a match with some buddy
- 40:47and knew he would take me places, and I would trust him enough to
- 40:52put on a good match and make me look good. Mhm and Nett,
- 41:00what do you think about this match? I love Chris Jericho, but even
- 41:07I am getting a little bit tired of seeing Chris Jericho, and I don't
- 41:13think it's really a necessary match. I think Cook is doing fine on his
- 41:20own. He's handling business. It's almost like Chris Jericho keeps attaching himself to
- 41:29whoever is the most popular person at the moment, and that's getting a little
- 41:35bit stale. So I'm not that excited about it. No, I'm not
- 41:40really looking forward to it. Oh nope, Yeah, I'm curious, like
- 41:49I'm going to be there and it's lying her Chris jerichos so we're not getting
- 41:53a Judas sing along and they're in Canada, so like that choice seems a
- 41:58little weird to me, first of all. And I guess I'm also not
- 42:02fully sold on Hook. There's something he just feels young and inexperience to me,
- 42:10and obviously he is young and inexperienced, but just the way he moves
- 42:14in the ring for me, maybe I'm being too hyper critical, but he
- 42:17always seems kind of a little bit hesitant. So I'm still waiting for Hook
- 42:25to really fully sell himself to me. And it is just kind of a
- 42:30weird feud. And I imagine they're setting up maybe a Chris Jericho heal turn
- 42:37or some feud with someone else. I don't know. Yeah, it is
- 42:39a little strange. And Kelson, I guess you have no thoughts on this
- 42:47match still, you just thought of any No, I mean I really really
- 42:52don't. This is just this is a jobber match to me. I mean
- 42:58honestly, I mean it's just like tak it. I just hope it's a
- 43:00good match. But as far as who wins, who cares? Yeah,
- 43:07I think for sure Hook's gonna be winning. But yeah, it's not.
- 43:12It's not like beating Chris Jericho means what it did a year ago or two
- 43:15years ago. Yeah, you're right, he has been losing a lot,
- 43:22so it's just another one of those matches. Yeah, and I'm still mad
- 43:29that he beat Kyle Fletcher like the way. Yeah, he puts over Takeushta,
- 43:34but then he's still beating all the other guys. It does kind of
- 43:37annoy me. That's a good point. So what match do you want to
- 43:40talk about, Alex? I think, yeah, I'm really excited for this
- 43:45woman's match, Tony Storm, Riam versus Deanna Parrazzo thunder Rosa. It's exciting
- 43:52that I get to see all the dumb wrestle in person. Yeah, it
- 43:58was really shocked. I thought they were gonn to get a Canadian woman to
- 44:01wrestle with Gianna Parozzo. I thought maybe we'd see her return of the Bunny.
- 44:05But I I guess I'm pleasantly surprised that it's going to be thunder Rosa
- 44:09with her. But yeah, and Ryan May Tony Storm. Have we had
- 44:15them as a tag team? But I think we did once? Right?
- 44:20Did we just have them as a tag team on your collision this past week?
- 44:25I was okay, they took they took out Minion number one a minion
- 44:31number two. Yeah, I remember one was l M k oh yeah yeah
- 44:39and Kathleen yeah. The other one was the other one mm hmmmm yeah,
- 44:47yeah. I think this is an exciting match. Stutton, what are your
- 44:52thoughts on this? It could be it'll be an opportunity to see how they
- 44:55work together as a team. I I guess it's just are they are they
- 45:01using this to continue the Leanna Pirazzo versus the Champ or are they going to
- 45:09do something else with it? I mean there's other than that. It should
- 45:14be a pretty good match. I just don't know. I mean, I
- 45:19don't know. It just it doesn't seem like it's it's it's going anywhere for
- 45:22me. What do you think? MK, I'm I'm having a battle with
- 45:30this. I think n versus mute Button's gonna get old quickly. I really
- 45:36think that this is a good chance for thunder Rosa to show up and show
- 45:40out a little bit. I really, you know, kept me if I'm
- 45:45wrong, but it was when thunder Ross went out, it was Tony Storm
- 45:49who got the belt, right, So this is a chance really to show
- 45:53her that they can still hang and that she gonna work together. I don't
- 45:57know how many matches she's had on her way thunder Russell has had sn't she's
- 46:01been out, but uh, this is a chance for her to get her
- 46:05popularity back a little bit. And I loved her. I love I like
- 46:07the match that she's put on with Britt Baker. Most of them were good.
- 46:14The cage match wasn't as good as the lights out match, but that's
- 46:20a good thing. It's a good thing seeing Tony and Tony and Mariah May
- 46:23together. But uh, all together, this is phil was great excellent wrestlers
- 46:29who are definitely gonna put on a good match. So there's you know,
- 46:31this will be one of the better women's matches we've had in a while.
- 46:35I think, mm hmm. Yeah. And one thing I like about it
- 46:42is you don't know who's gonna win. It's not predictable. Net. Do
- 46:47you have any thoughts on this match. I liked thunder Rosa. I'm excited
- 46:54to see her wrestle in general. I think she has a plan where she's
- 47:05going to, I don't know, do something because she's still after that belt.
- 47:09Because if you remember, at the end of the announcement of her she
- 47:16said something about, yeah, the belt I never lost. So I'm wondering
- 47:22if she's going to turn on Palazzo or you know it, if she's up
- 47:29to something more than just this match. So I'd like to see what comes
- 47:34of it. Yeah, fantasy booking this match for me has been actually kind
- 47:38of fun because the way I look at it is, first of all,
- 47:43you have a Rio May and Tony storm together and if you ask me,
- 47:46and nobody did, but I'm gonna get my opinion anyway. Ria May right
- 47:50now is a far better wrestler than Tony Storm right and it's not even close.
- 47:55Okay, Tony Stormer is just not doing it for me. Her character
- 48:00is great, her wrestling has been really bad. Anyway. Then you have
- 48:06Dianna Parozzo, who beat Tony Storm at the pay per view, but the
- 48:10referee didn't see it, so she didn't get to win and eventually took the
- 48:15loss. Thunderosas Net said, is not did not lose that belt Tony Storm
- 48:22way back when, so she has every bit of claim to being the real
- 48:30women's champion. Gotta hated that belt anyway. So I think that Tony Storm
- 48:37and Maria May will lose, and I think there'll bey be a little bit
- 48:40of a dissension in between them because Maria May doesn't see her maybe begin that's
- 48:47not see yourself as a protege anymore, and then you'll have maybe after the
- 48:53match, Thunderstorm and Parozzo will win. Maybe Parozzo gets on the mike and
- 49:00challenges, you know, Storm to a title shot, and Rosa steps in
- 49:06and says, hey, wait a minute, I deserve that shot. I
- 49:08think the next match we're going to see is going to be between Rosa and
- 49:14Parazzo for the right to challenge for the for the championship. And that's my
- 49:22that's my thoughts here. So let's moving on U to the Oh God,
- 49:30So we've got look, we talked earlier in the show about AW possibly having
- 49:36the best men's rosters, So what do you do with the really really superior
- 49:39men's roster. You take him down a notch and continue the AAW Continental Championship,
- 49:47wrecking the the reputation of great wrestlers score. You have Eddie Kingston defending
- 49:58his continental championship, but I believe this is only the continental belt up for
- 50:02grabs Toda on Wednesday night. The R Japan Belt is okay against the rain
- 50:09MAKERSA Chika o kata. I love say Kazuchika, even though I know that's
- 50:15not how you pronounce it. It sounds sounds slutty anyway, it does.
- 50:24You know who's that girl over there dancing in the rain with no clothes on?
- 50:29Oh, that's Kazuchika, you know. I just I just that's what
- 50:34I think about it. You know, the Rainmaker. That's not what he
- 50:37was going for anyway anyway, So I will put it this way. Two
- 50:46things I will say about this match. One, I probably won't watch it
- 50:52because I very very rarely watch any caston matches. But I do think that
- 50:57Kazuchika is going to win the match, because if he doesn't, what's the
- 51:04point of happened to Aw's wrestling anymore? I mean, Eddie Kingston really winning
- 51:09matches against all these absolutely far superior wrestlers is getting a little bit old.
- 51:15It's getting to the point where, I mean, if Akanda doesn't beat Kingston,
- 51:22who's going to beat Kingston? They're gonna wheeler you to come out and
- 51:24beat him one day or something. You know. I'm just saying, it's
- 51:29like he's gone through between the Continental Classic, which had a bunch of great
- 51:32wrestlers that he prevailed over his subsequent defenses, that he's deamrolled these people,
- 51:42you know, these far I'm sorry, nobody will ever be able to tell
- 51:45me that everybody he's beaten hasn't been a superior wrestler to me, because I
- 51:50personally think that I've said it before and I'll say it again, Eddie Kingston
- 51:52is the worst wrestler on the AW roster. Well, I mean, and
- 51:55I mean in ring wrestling. There's no doubt about it to me. Okay,
- 52:00so what are we talking about? If Alcada does not win this match,
- 52:07it just renders a w pathetic to me. I'm sorry, that's the
- 52:13way I feel. You know, love me or hate me, I don't
- 52:15care. But Ifalkada doesn't win this match, Aw's dirt And I really mean
- 52:22that sucking go ahead. Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with
- 52:27you, but for different reasons. I think it's time Eddie's Eddie loses the
- 52:30titles. I think he's losing this one tomorrow. He's losing the ROH title
- 52:35to the at the next pay per view for them the first right, who's
- 52:40you wrestling Risco? Yeah, Brisko Mark, He's going to wrestle him.
- 52:45So I definitely see the downfall of Eddie. I still disagree with everybody that
- 52:52said, oh no, they were never supposed to be Risk wrestled together.
- 52:54They made this triple Crown in the beginning to be a triple Crown match.
- 52:59That's what wanted it to do. But I think they've come to the conclusion
- 53:02that they can't keep it together because next year they're including whoever happens to be
- 53:07the a W champion in that match in that tournament. So you're kind of
- 53:14got to separate him sometime, and I think this is the best way to
- 53:15do it. I think you brought up you brought up him losing the the
- 53:21r o H Championship, you brought him up losing the Confidental Championship. Here's
- 53:24my question. He's held that do Japan Wrestling Championship for a long time now.
- 53:30I mean, Japan wants their back. I'm sure they do, but
- 53:35that'll probably won't come until uh either forbidden door or he'll have to travel for
- 53:42that to happen. I would love to see them bring somebody over and take
- 53:45it from him. I mean, but I just I disagree with the the
- 53:50worst person in the on the roster. But I just think that, you
- 53:53know, let me stop you. I'm interested. Now, who's the worst
- 53:59wrestler ton Eddie Kingston. Britt Baker, She's the worst wrestler in wrestling period.
- 54:04She she's not good in the ring. She could not win a match
- 54:09against anybody by herself. She never want to see that. Well, yeah,
- 54:15but the only thing that I discount you on that though, is that
- 54:16Britt Baker does know, you know, separate wrestling moves. She knew,
- 54:22She's She's kind of like had that someone earlier when they had had compared uh
- 54:30that lander to Flair. I was thinking, oh my god, what is
- 54:35wrong with you? Because I don't I don't think Charlotte Flair is a good
- 54:37wrestler. She has four moves too. You have a bunch of these wrestlers
- 54:40that have come along in the last few years that have those four move sets
- 54:45that people have made bigger than they truly are. Look at Jay Cargio.
- 54:51She's gone. She's probably never going to wrestle again. Maybe she should,
- 54:55you know what I mean. She's said that herself, she doesn't want to
- 54:58wrestle again. But going back to this, I just I just think that
- 55:01I think it. He's held the R O H title longer though. I
- 55:05think that's the one he's had the longest, because I think he was the
- 55:08good news is that britt Baker probably won't be challenging Eddie Kingston for the Continental
- 55:15Championship because you know the whole you know so, but you know, you
- 55:21brought up your breaker. I'm not going to disagree with you there, But
- 55:23did they bring up somebody that Eddie Kingston may actually wrestle? But I think
- 55:30you lose this too. I have no idea who's on the R on the
- 55:34the Strong Championship. I have no idea who's in that they would challenge him
- 55:37for that, So you know, I can't who's that Jack Berry? Yay,
- 55:45you never know, that could happen, but I see him losing it.
- 55:47I think is going to beat him. You got to give the title
- 55:52to the new guy. What do you think, mk? I I really,
- 55:58you know, I'm just watched for alctdor to to just beat the crap
- 56:01out of Eddie Kingston. Is what I want to see that this just show
- 56:06him up completely. Uh, you know, I don't understand this hard on
- 56:10that Tony has had for for Eddie. I mean, as as Kelson has
- 56:19said, he's beaten a lot of good quality people that he has no utter
- 56:23business of even beating. I mean, Danielson is considered one of the best.
- 56:30Uh you know, they're pushing this guy as one of the highlight guys.
- 56:36I just I don't see the need for him to be when you have
- 56:38so many, so much young talent that can be pushed out there. And
- 56:42that's why it's against him winning this Continental Classic thing in the first place,
- 56:45is because he's a schlub compared to a lot of these other guys. You
- 56:50know, will Osprey is leaps and bounds bigger than better than him. But
- 56:54yet they chose, they chose a guy who does not look the part,
- 57:00not rest with the part, but they made him one of their crowning one
- 57:04of their crowning people. Uh well, let me ask you a question,
- 57:08though, would you say that the appeal of Eddie kinks that isn't his wrestling,
- 57:13but it's his underdog status. I mean, he is the he is
- 57:15very very good at doing underdog promos and putting himself out there as the underdog.
- 57:22Do you think that's the appeal? You know, because I agree with
- 57:24you. I mean, frankly, he should have lasted thirty seconds and any
- 57:28of the matches that he's won, yea, even appeal his promos only.
- 57:35I don't care about the underdog underdog thing. He's just you know, you're
- 57:40you're drunk uncle who these parties is much and likes to run his mouth and
- 57:46people connect with that. His his average person, you know, kind of
- 57:50like Dusty Rhodes would. But I'm not going to compare the talent skills of
- 57:52the two together. But that's who he kind of reminds me of, is,
- 57:59you know, just the average guy who thinks who he was no more
- 58:04average, but people like him because his promos and his heart and his promos
- 58:08just just to break in again here, I grew up in when Dusty Rhodes
- 58:13was in his prime, you know, back in the Georgia Championship Wrestling stuff.
- 58:16And I had the same thoughts about Dusty Rhodes as I did about Eddie
- 58:21Kingston. I listened to Doc couldn't stand to watch him in the ring fair.
- 58:30How do you think? Oh did you ask me? Yes? I
- 58:37did. I'm sorry, I'm sorry I was coughing. Well, I'm I'm
- 58:45an Eddie Kingston fan and I just heard I know, I heard Kelson say
- 58:51something that made me think it's it goes back farther because I was a big
- 58:55Dusty fan. So I don't I agree that Eddie has wrestled some people that
- 59:07are better than him at the art of wrestling. I don't know exactly why
- 59:15he seems to beat everyone that he comes in contact with. I mean,
- 59:23you know, he's he's not that good to to just be beating everybody,
- 59:30and even even the best people lose sometimes. So I don't know where they're
- 59:39going with Eddie. I'm I keep waiting for some kind of big story or
- 59:47some kind of ending to this. What exactly is the endgame? What are
- 59:54what are they doing? And I think he will lose that title to Okada.
- 1:00:00I think that Okata is somebody that can go and represent that title internationally
- 1:00:12in more places, and I think that's probably something that they're looking to do
- 1:00:17with that title, to bring more eyes on a w from all over the
- 1:00:22place. And yeah, I just I wonder what what's next for Eddie,
- 1:00:30because you know, I like Eddie and I'd like to see him more.
- 1:00:32So I'm wondering what they're gonna do with him. I don't know, we'll
- 1:00:38see, we will will be watching doing something else. I think I really
- 1:00:51do expect Ocatta to win this match, so I'll probably be at the very
- 1:00:54least listening to it and then rejoicing when the wrestler actually wins. But Alex,
- 1:01:02we haven't heard your opinion on this. Yeah, I think I think
- 1:01:06the fact that it's for only the AW Continental Championship, that's pretty clear giveaway
- 1:01:13that Ocott is probably winning this match, and I think that's the right decision.
- 1:01:16I'm not gonna hate on Eddie like a lot of you guys do Eddie.
- 1:01:22You are not allowed to hate on aw. Okay, the machine gun
- 1:01:28chops they're kind of goofy, but the rest of his chops I think look
- 1:01:32good, and he really hits people hard. I think Eddie as an underdog
- 1:01:38wrestler, like he had matches in Ring of Honor versus Claudio, matches against
- 1:01:45uh like see him punk and stuff early on, Like he's had a lot
- 1:01:52of matches that I really enjoyed his recent match with Danielson, Like seeing Eddie
- 1:01:57overcome challenges I think is entertaining. And I really feel like we missed out
- 1:02:04on the Eddie versus n JF for the World title feud just like promos alone,
- 1:02:08I thought that would have been a really great feud. Uh yeah,
- 1:02:14like because I think it's about the chase for the title. I think having
- 1:02:19Eddie is the champion. Yeah, that's that's not his bread and butter.
- 1:02:24So yeah, he's he's gonna lose. Okada's like one of the greatest wrestlers
- 1:02:30of all time, really, and he's in his prime. It's gonna take
- 1:02:35some time to get him used to the American English speaking audience, but he's
- 1:02:38his English has been pretty good. Uh oh, yeah, he has done
- 1:02:43well, hasn't he. Yeah? Yeah, I think he's really getting like
- 1:02:47his personality over in the few instances that we've seen, and and it is
- 1:02:55weird that they're splitting up the title like it's but at the same time,
- 1:03:00I'm happy because I do think the ROH title deserves a lot better than it's
- 1:03:07gotten these last few months. And if Eddie loses the Mark Briscoe as well,
- 1:03:12that'll be good for the title itself, because I think that is an
- 1:03:15important title. We've seen a lot of good ROH World Heavyweight champions, and
- 1:03:22people use that as a stepping zone in the past. I know it's not
- 1:03:25really the same as it is now, but I think it's important to treat
- 1:03:30that title with respect. Yeah, I agree. You know, I thought
- 1:03:37of something and I'm probably gonna get boot out of this, but I will
- 1:03:40say this. You know, if somebody were to if somebody asked me to
- 1:03:44describe Eddie Kingston, I would say, you know, likes somebody who watched
- 1:03:50WCW and all those old things are new to WAW. What is Eddie Kingson
- 1:03:55like? And I would say, if Tony Siavanni was a wrestler, he
- 1:04:00be Eddie Kingston. No, no, no, I really think that.
- 1:04:06I really think that Tony Shavani could beat Eddie Kingston. I think anybody could
- 1:04:11beat Eddie Kingston would die. I would love to get into a fight,
- 1:04:20a real fight with Eddie Kingston because i'd freaking destroy him, plan and challenge,
- 1:04:30just sweep the leg and he's done. That's it. Haven't you seen
- 1:04:35Eddie doing all his working out with Caesar Bonone. I was watching that and
- 1:04:42I hope that he does actually get in shape and be able to move,
- 1:04:47you know, so that maybe he could do you know, I don't know,
- 1:04:53a backflip, not I mean, you know, a headlock or something,
- 1:04:57because he doesn't have that in his repertoire yet. Maybe he's gonna lose
- 1:05:00his titles and he's gonna go off on that that sad depressed wrestler away thing
- 1:05:10for a while and he's gonna come back new Eddie and ready to fight everyone.
- 1:05:16He should go to a wrestling school in Nepal. Yeah, him and
- 1:05:20Caesar Banone. Yeah, because Caesar. But he does really great work.
- 1:05:26And I when I heard about that, I was like, this is really
- 1:05:29good for Eddie because Eddie really does need it, because let's face it,
- 1:05:32Eddie is not a spring chicken. He's only you know, if he keeps
- 1:05:35going down this path that he's going as far with this physique because he's getting
- 1:05:40bigger, bigger, at bigger at least he was, I mean, and
- 1:05:44he's slower and slower and slower and sloppier and sloppier and sloppier. His career
- 1:05:48has got three years pops of mediocre wrestling in it, you know. So
- 1:05:56all right, Alex, what do you want to talk about next? Because
- 1:05:58I know that there's a all Canadian match and I know that you're probably drooling
- 1:06:02over. Yeah, for sure. Uh. I think I'm looking forward to
- 1:06:10the Eddie Kingston Ocado match more for some reason, just because maybe that's gonna
- 1:06:15be more my style of wrestling. But yeah, the Canadian boys, they're
- 1:06:19both from. They're not really from Toronto, I would say. I think
- 1:06:23they're from like Orangeville, which is sort of close to Toronto, but they've
- 1:06:28always said that they're from Toronto. Yeah, this match is gonna be wild,
- 1:06:33I think because this is they're kind of building this as like the last
- 1:06:38match between these guys, and I feel like it's gonna set up maybe them
- 1:06:45tagging together. Maybe we get to see what I picked as a dream match,
- 1:06:49young Bucks versus these guys that at Wembley. Oh wow. Let me
- 1:06:55let me ask you a question though, Alex, because we saw Copeland bring
- 1:07:00out Spike, you know, the little bat with the nails in it from
- 1:07:06the box. Uh? Is this a no holds barred, anything goes match?
- 1:07:13Because what's the point of bringing spike out when he can't use it without
- 1:07:15getting I think an I quit match just means that it's kind of a no
- 1:07:23DQ match by default. So yeah, I think there's gonna be tables,
- 1:07:28ladders, chairs, spiked bats, maybe someway. I mean, they use
- 1:07:31thumbtacks every single hardcore match these days, so we'll probably see that. Or
- 1:07:36glass Yeah yeah, I guess glasses on the table. Now, maybe some
- 1:07:44fire. I was just thinking fire. Maybe snakes, yeah, I mean
- 1:07:51he mentioned might get a Mick Foley appearance. O god, that would just
- 1:08:00talk about a plot. Yeah wow yeah, and I'm hoping. I'm hoping
- 1:08:06it spills out into some area close to me and I can get some video
- 1:08:13of them right next to me. Maybe get some blood on me, that
- 1:08:15would be cool. I want to get some blood on me. I don't
- 1:08:21know if they actually do, but when you're on camera, you gotta like
- 1:08:29slowly lick it off, you know, like that a lot. Yeah,
- 1:08:40as long as it's not Nigel's but yeah, oh god, he went there.
- 1:08:45That was for anybody listening. His name is spelled A L e X.
- 1:08:50That's Alex. I just I just learned that he had You can you
- 1:08:57can email him at a w at How about gmail dot com? Tell him
- 1:09:01what kind of an asshole he is for saying that. Well, I think
- 1:09:08that that's the thing about be saying stuff about Eddie Kingson is I know somebody's
- 1:09:11gonna say something worse than I did. Thank you, Alex for I did
- 1:09:16it without even train. All right, let's quickly change topics. Well,
- 1:09:25this match, I think it's gonna be a great match. The capability of
- 1:09:31these two could put on I'm not really I've never really seen Christian is the
- 1:09:35main guy. He's just it's never been that way for me. I don't
- 1:09:41like what he's doing now. It's just I can't stand the character anymore.
- 1:09:45I'm tired of listening to the the uh disrespecting everybody's family. That just doesn't
- 1:09:50go over with me. Uh. Somebody say, I think it was ned
- 1:09:54said that mother Wayne will be involved, and I'm I'm I'm really hoping that
- 1:09:59they turn on him tomorrow, that they do what they had planned to do
- 1:10:03before and and and he loses the title. And it, and it has
- 1:10:08to do with his proteges as much as it does with with Copeland. Yeah,
- 1:10:15with Copeland, I really hope that happens. I think I think it
- 1:10:21might. I think it might. I agree with you there because I mean,
- 1:10:29they talked about it. They talked about it being with Jungle Boy coming
- 1:10:32back. But when they went with the other thing of him doing now,
- 1:10:39I thought, well, maybe they could use Daniel Garcia there, because that
- 1:10:42would be a great replacement for that. Bring him into the fold as another
- 1:10:46young guy and then have him turn. But they can do it without that.
- 1:10:50They don't have to have an extra element to have them turn and her
- 1:10:55start something of a matriarchy instead of the patriarchy and taking a different route.
- 1:11:00That's what I'm hoping will happen. What do you think, MK, I
- 1:11:04have to totally disagree with you, but on a lot of points. As
- 1:11:09a matter of fact, I really feel you know, Christian's best work has
- 1:11:14came outside of WWE. His teen eight Days, he was phenomenal. He
- 1:11:19is that guy and everybody who rests him says that they make him better.
- 1:11:24I love the patriarchy, love what they're doing. I think it's too soon
- 1:11:27to have it turning insto him quite yet, but this match has to be
- 1:11:31have Edge winning. I don't think Edge necessarily needs a title, but he
- 1:11:38has to end the feud and this will help him take on some new people
- 1:11:43and get some more talent over. But I think I want to see Christian
- 1:11:48fall some more and just be in disarray and then they finally start leaving him.
- 1:11:54I want the dissolving of the patriarchy needs to be a slow burn rather
- 1:12:00than something real quick. So that was my opinion of it. NET.
- 1:12:05What do you think? M hmmm, I think it will. I think
- 1:12:12they're gonna rip the band aid off if they do it, I think it
- 1:12:15will be fast. And and you know, you know that if if either
- 1:12:21Nick or Mother Wayne turn on him, the other person is likely going to
- 1:12:29turn on him. So if Mother Wayne leaves him, Nick is likely going
- 1:12:34to leave him too. So and I don't know what they're doing with Lucasaurus
- 1:12:43kill switch. He's just kind of in the mix. But I think that
- 1:12:47if if they do turn on Christian, it's going to be fast. And
- 1:12:53I'm I'm wondering what is next for him? What is he going to do
- 1:12:58next? I'm also wondering what Copeland is going to do next, because it's
- 1:13:03supposed to be an I Quit match. Is somebody really going to quit?
- 1:13:10It seems like they both are having pretty good runs, and I can't see
- 1:13:15either one of them just completely and totally walking away. It's not that kind
- 1:13:19of equipment. It's just that the only way you win is by making them
- 1:13:26say I quit. But it doesn't mean anything other than they quit the match.
- 1:13:29Yeah, gonna quit quit because they were getting on one another everyone else
- 1:13:38just to determine the winner to match. I will say this, Yeah,
- 1:13:43the last time I saw Copeland in an I quit match was as Edge.
- 1:13:47Probably the last w W match I ever watch watched it was an I quit
- 1:13:51match. I can't remember who he wrestled. Was at a pay per view.
- 1:13:56I want to say it was Bobby Lashley, but I don't think it
- 1:13:58was. I don't remember. But anyway, Copeland did quit because Beth Phoenix
- 1:14:01got into the ring and she was about to get slaughtered and they were holding
- 1:14:08Copeland back and he said I quit to save his wife. But I don't
- 1:14:11think Beth Phoenix is going to show up tomorrow night, although it would be
- 1:14:14interesting. But look, here's the thing with this is that I really,
- 1:14:17I don't mean this in any disrespectful way at all. I really don't care
- 1:14:23who wins this match. It's more about the story and the match itself for
- 1:14:27me. But ultimately, I think the end goal, the light at the
- 1:14:30end of the tunnel, the means to the end, is for Copeland and
- 1:14:33Cage to get together form a tag team again. And let's face it,
- 1:14:38they can't. They can't put this slow burn it too much because you know,
- 1:14:44you know, you don't want them coming out to the ring and walkers,
- 1:14:45you know, I mean, you just seriously, and you want to
- 1:14:51take advantage of them. Why they're both very still, very good wrestlers.
- 1:14:55And I don't know whoever said who said this, but you know I was
- 1:15:00watching WWE when Edge and Christian were a team, and Edge is nowhere,
- 1:15:05I mean, Christian is nowhere near the wrestler as he was back in those
- 1:15:13days, meaning that he has improved in every aspect of his wrestling so much,
- 1:15:18you know, so you know, for ww fans coming to watch this
- 1:15:24match, you know, at even at this point of time in his career,
- 1:15:30which you know is in the twilight of his career, Let's be honest,
- 1:15:31he's he's he's not going to be around that much longer, you know.
- 1:15:35But you know, as far as wrestling goes, I don't I've doctors,
- 1:15:40you know, predicting a demise or anything like that. But he's he's
- 1:15:45better now than he ever was before in my opinion. So don't discount Christian
- 1:15:51Cage because of his age and whatnot. He is a good professional wrestler and
- 1:16:00and and what I mean I emphasize good. I don't mean just he's good.
- 1:16:03I mean he's good. So that's that I want to move on.
- 1:16:10Here's one of the things about this match that I'm interested in, because this
- 1:16:14is kind of a pretty I don't know, it's kind of a full you
- 1:16:18know, we got four matches announced. Bercedes Money on Dynamite is also going
- 1:16:23to speak. There'll probably be a couple Jobber matches thrown in because Tony Khan
- 1:16:27does love his Jobbers and uh but anyway, so I think there may be
- 1:16:35a because Rampage is on right after Dynamite, don't be surprised if it overruns
- 1:16:41into Rampage because there's only two matches announced for Rampage. You know, that's
- 1:16:45an hour two matches, but one of the matches is and I don't know
- 1:16:50about you guys, but I don't really want to talk about Orange Cassidy Trumperetta
- 1:16:55against the don Kallis family, Homs and Fletcher. If you guys to talk
- 1:17:00about it, that's fine, But I want to go right to the women's
- 1:17:02match because this one intrigues me because this could be either the biggest disaster of
- 1:17:10the night or it could be the match of the night. We all remember
- 1:17:13two years Bash when the women had a street fight a few years ago and
- 1:17:17everybody was talking about that that match, and this match is kind of weird
- 1:17:21because you got Chris Statlander and Willow Nightingale against Julia Hart and sky Blue.
- 1:17:27Now, Chris Statlander and Willow Nightingale are bigger, stronger wrestlers than sky Blue
- 1:17:32and Julia Hart. Julia Hart and sky Blue are far more quicker and more
- 1:17:40athletic than Statlander and Nightingale is a team. Statlander is very athletic, but
- 1:17:45Dightingale, let's face that she peters out after five minutes. If you watch
- 1:17:48her last match that she had on TV, she basically stood in the middle
- 1:17:55of the ring and just spun around while while Rijo did all the work running
- 1:18:00back and forth all over the ring, and just go back and watch it.
- 1:18:04Willow Ningale probably move fifty feet that entire match because she gets winded too
- 1:18:10fast. So having a street fight, I don't know. The street fight
- 1:18:14is could actually be a street fight because it's gonna be sub freezing in Toronto,
- 1:18:19which kind of means they're gonna be freezing ther kulos off out there.
- 1:18:25That's Italian for nos and uh, you know, Alex, you could.
- 1:18:30I mean, it's gonna be cold there tomorrow night. Right, I am
- 1:18:34checking the weather because I I think it's gonna be it'll it'll be freezing probably
- 1:18:42in the Yeah, just a little bit. I looked at the weather this
- 1:18:45morning and it was like at eight o'clock at show time. It's at eight
- 1:18:48o'clock dynamite time. Remember this is a rampage match live, so to be
- 1:18:54after ten o'clock, I mean at eight o'clock I think it was schu supposed
- 1:18:58to be twenty nine or thirty degrees fahrenheit in Toronto. But anyway, but
- 1:19:04anyway, so here's the thing. I mean, this is a street fight.
- 1:19:13Of course, that means there's gonna be a lot of weapons and other
- 1:19:16kind of things going on. There may be blood, which I honestly don't
- 1:19:20believe I've ever seen any of these women bleed before. It's just gonna be
- 1:19:26interesting to see how they pull this off again. This could be a complete
- 1:19:30and utter disaster, and I'm holding my breath hoping that that doesn't happen.
- 1:19:34This could be the match at a night And of course you could also say
- 1:19:39somebody could get injured, which why would you do this match? You know
- 1:19:45with people that this is not I don't know how you guys feel about it,
- 1:19:48but this doesn't seem like it's at the wheelhouse. Street fight doesn't seem
- 1:19:51like it's at the wheelhouse of Willow stat Julia and Guy. I don't know.
- 1:20:00I'm all over the place in my thoughts. This is just, you
- 1:20:03know, wrap it up for me here, buddy, because I have no
- 1:20:06idea something. I mean something, What are we doing here? I kind
- 1:20:14of agree with you. I don't understand why a street fight, but it
- 1:20:15just seems that, like when they get to that third match in a or
- 1:20:20after they've had a couple of matches between the team, they have to do
- 1:20:24something. It has to be some kind of street fight or or you know
- 1:20:29something like that. Yeah, I don't see them going outside, and I
- 1:20:32kind of agree. I don't see this there's there's really I get what they're
- 1:20:38doing it for to get the match in, for them to have another match
- 1:20:42to keep their storylines going. But it would have been better to have I
- 1:20:49don't know, any other kind of fight tables match, something like that,
- 1:20:54something that you didn't have to leave them and they don't have to necessarily go
- 1:20:57outside for it to be called a street fight, you know. So I
- 1:21:01I really don't think there is a real reason to have this match other than
- 1:21:04it it keeps the battle between the four of them going, So you know,
- 1:21:11it's one of those things. Well, let me ask you this.
- 1:21:13I mean, of these four women, I know that Julia Hart has gone
- 1:21:16through tables before. She's been on a no holds barred bat, no holes
- 1:21:21larred match. Yes, I just fell over my tongue. Excuse me why
- 1:21:27I picked myself off or wipe myself off? Does he if the other women
- 1:21:30in your your dollars been in a like a brawl before? Was that when
- 1:21:36she came back from her first injury was involved in that match with it wasn't
- 1:21:42her match, but she was involved in the one where she came out of
- 1:21:45the toy thing, so I mean, but I don't think they have been
- 1:21:49I mean Willow Willow has Willow probably somewhere and Ruby soho versus. Yeah,
- 1:22:00I remember to kill Dana j with like, Yeah, she was barely in
- 1:22:03that match, and that's one of the things with this kind of a match
- 1:22:10though, with Willow having not so strong of cardio, they can do that
- 1:22:15where she can be attacked, put down, she can stay out of it
- 1:22:18for a bit, bring it back to the ring, she can do her
- 1:22:21pounce, and you know, they can keep it where because I believe stat
- 1:22:27Lander. For me, she's the best woman overall woman's roster member that we
- 1:22:31have. She's the strongest of all of them. She can do almost anything.
- 1:22:35I think she'll succeed in this kind of a match regardless. It's always
- 1:22:40got to be a first time for you know, there's the first time for
- 1:22:42everything. I think that when Baker and uh they had that lights out match,
- 1:22:49I think that was probably one of the first times she was in a
- 1:22:51match like that, and they they get I mean, that's one of the
- 1:22:56most talked about matches ever, So you know, I just I don't know,
- 1:22:59I just don't I just see this as like getting to the point where
- 1:23:02it's starting to be oversaturation for these four. If you're gonna put Willow up
- 1:23:08against Julia for the title, let her do it, move it on him
- 1:23:12somewhere else, because this will be like the fifteenth time or fifteenth week in
- 1:23:15a row, we've seen one of these four groups, these four people wrestling
- 1:23:19one or the other. So it's kind of getting, you know, a
- 1:23:23little redundant. So yeah, it could be like you said, it could
- 1:23:26be a great match, and then it could fall apart because if you lose
- 1:23:30Julia to an injury or we you know, or or or uh Willow gets
- 1:23:35hurt or stat gets hurt or Scott gets hurt, you're taking out a good
- 1:23:40competitor for absolutely no reason. Exactly what are your thoughts, MK, This
- 1:23:50is a toss up for me, you know, like you said, I
- 1:23:54really think that this gives a Willow a chance to wrest at some period,
- 1:24:00be out for a little bit, come about, pounce somebody off the stage
- 1:24:02or or whatever. But three out of the three out of the four are
- 1:24:10kind of inexpect and experienced wrestlers and there's I don't know how to say this
- 1:24:16better, but there's too much green involved in this match, and that's what
- 1:24:20worries me a little bit. With a match, you know with thunder Rosa.
- 1:24:26You know, thunder Rosa helped Britt Baker make that match, And the
- 1:24:30longer you've been in the business, the more you know you could put together
- 1:24:36a good a good match. But I'm I'm just not of I hope a
- 1:24:43bos Will. I think it will go well, but I really feel like,
- 1:24:48uh, this is the time to put this to bed. I don't
- 1:24:51really want to see Willow with a TBS title. I don't think she's ready
- 1:24:55with her cardio, her as a performer, but I just don't want to
- 1:24:59see her right now until she gets in better shape and can put on better
- 1:25:02matches. I don't want to see her at the Champion Net. What do
- 1:25:05you think? I also am tired of seeing them all wrestle each other,
- 1:25:13so I would like to see something new and something fresh. Maybe this is
- 1:25:19the turning point. I'm really not sure, because honestly, I've kind of
- 1:25:26checked out with them and stopped paying his close attention because I'm tired of seeing
- 1:25:30them and Statlander is my favorite wrestler, So I just kind of hate this.
- 1:25:39It almost seems like they're all stuck in a loop and there are a
- 1:25:42lot of women on the roster that everybody could be wrestling everyone. So I
- 1:25:48don't know why, you know, we're using the same people every show.
- 1:25:55There needs to be some change, and hopefully this is the start of it.
- 1:26:00That's that's my opinion. I don't know. Yes, yeah, I
- 1:26:10think I'm probably the most excited out of anyone for this match. I'm I
- 1:26:15think, yeah, personally because I'm gonna be there, and I have a
- 1:26:17friend going with me who I don't think he's watched much, if any aw,
- 1:26:23so this is gonna probably be his first time seeing a woman's match like
- 1:26:29this because we've seen them do this and they pull out all the stops and
- 1:26:34then there's you know, online backlash about women bleeding and all that crap.
- 1:26:43So I feel like, yeah, they go out there in these matches and
- 1:26:45they really feel like they have something to prove and they're gonna go all out,
- 1:26:49and I'm excited to see it. And I like all four of these
- 1:26:54women wrestlers. I'm not particularly tired of seeing them. I think this was
- 1:27:00probably like the end, and we'll see what's gonna happen with Stokely and maybe
- 1:27:04it'll set up whatever Julia Heart's matches at Dynasty. So yeah, I'm excited.
- 1:27:12I think partially just because I'm gonna be there and I get to show
- 1:27:16my friend some crazy, bloody women's wrestling match. But yeah, I'm excited.
- 1:27:23So Alex, let me ask you something and everybody I want to get
- 1:27:26just your quick take on this. But of the four women here, I
- 1:27:30mean, it's a screen fight, you gotta have blood, whether it's bleeding
- 1:27:33or blood capsule. Who do you think would be the one that you would
- 1:27:38expect to bleed? I feel like Julia Heart bleeding would just create a good
- 1:27:46image with her, you know, black attire and looking crazed and just really
- 1:27:55like suit her gimmick. So yeah, I'm picking Julia for the like iconic
- 1:27:59bloodied person in this match. Yeah, suck, what about you? What
- 1:28:03do you think would be I gotta think the same thing. Being of the
- 1:28:06House of Black, it kind of fits that personality. Maybe Skott because she's
- 1:28:15she started to read sometimes she's somewhere in between. She's kind of like dark
- 1:28:18but not quite dark, so she could too. I don't know. I
- 1:28:23don't I don't think Willow will but maybe stat but I think probably Julia.
- 1:28:30Kay, I'm really you know, I would like to see Willow bloody a
- 1:28:40little bit just for her maybe too. Maybe that'll help her a little bit
- 1:28:44darker and reach down deep and do something she normally doesn't do. And maybe
- 1:28:48that's a good way for her to turn heel nett Oh, I agree with
- 1:28:57you. I think that's a good way for Willow to reach into her to
- 1:29:03her dark side. I think with Julia it's expected and I think everyone wants
- 1:29:13to see it because she is with the House of Black. She does have
- 1:29:16that dark persona. But yeah, I would pick Willow. I'd like to
- 1:29:23see Willow really come out of that nice girl shell and start to be mean.
- 1:29:30So yeah, now Willow is a really good choice. But you know,
- 1:29:34when you look at the visual of Julia with the you know, light
- 1:29:40almost white hair, you know, and her can you imagine her just go
- 1:29:45full carry, you know, just to be drenched in blood and just just
- 1:29:49you know, have nails and shit, just fly it all over the place
- 1:29:53and paling everybody in the audience. You know, Sorry, Alex, but
- 1:29:57uh, you know, just like you. Just just I it would just
- 1:30:00seem like almost supernatural with Julia. But I do agree with Willow too because
- 1:30:04that could be very interesting. So look, you know, Alex, you
- 1:30:09know, I hope you have a really, really really good time tomorrow night
- 1:30:14there with your friend. And watch out for flying nails. You know that
- 1:30:18Julia Summons. You know, so because you know Julia with those spikes,
- 1:30:23you know, she she figures how to make them fly through the air.
- 1:30:27I mean, she's gonna be world champion. I mean there's just no doubt
- 1:30:29about it. I mean, you just pit everybody to the ground with nails.
- 1:30:32You should have got to cover them. So anyway, that's the show
- 1:30:35for tonight. Thank you for listening to Ignition. Thank you to everybody,
- 1:30:40uh Sutton and net and MK for coming and sharing your thoughts with us.
- 1:30:45And again, Alex, I hope you have a great time tomorrow night at
- 1:30:48aw Dynamite in and Rampage in Toronto for the whole team. This is Kelson,
- 1:30:57This is Alex. Good night everybody. By night Night