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6,000 LETTERS, THOUSANDS IN DONATIONS, BILLBOARDS RENTED, LUIGI MANGIONE FANS WONT STOP · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the defense for the alleged
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Speaker 1: assassin Luigi Mangioni, actually gets up in court and talks
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Speaker 1: about how mangione is the victim, actually claiming with a
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Speaker 1: straight face that his quote beautiful, promising life has been
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Speaker 1: derailed by those pesky murderer charges. Wow. I wonder how
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Speaker 1: the murder victim's family is feeling about right now. He's
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Speaker 1: leaving behind a wife and two sons, and Luigi Mangioni's
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Speaker 1: defense team claims he's the victim. And I haven't even
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Speaker 1: got started on what they are trying to have thrown
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Speaker 1: out of evidence so a jury will never hear the truth.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: No one what a the address of your emergency?
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Speaker 1: That's not really an emergency.
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Speaker 3: I do.
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Speaker 2: I have a customer here that some other customers were.
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Speaker 4: Suspicious of that he looks like the CEO shooter New York.
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Speaker 1: Okay, straight out to Kila Brantley, joining US investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: at large dailymail dot com. Did they actually say in
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Speaker 1: court that their client, luigim Agiani is the victim because
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Speaker 1: his quote beautiful promising life has been derailed.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Nancy, As you mentioned, his team did paint him
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Speaker 5: as someone with a promising future. Now, one thing that
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Speaker 5: had been documented was that Luigi suffered from debilitating back pain.
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Speaker 5: This was something that he went through. He went through
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Speaker 5: back surgery. And one thing that they say here is
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Speaker 5: that the real enemy here is the medical system, and
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Speaker 5: that is one thing that you can definitely expect his
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Speaker 5: legal team.
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Speaker 1: I'll argue, Kila, can I believe you are my lion
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Speaker 1: eyes control room? Please show me him a running along
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Speaker 1: the beach in Hawaii. I've got videos of him lifting
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Speaker 1: up girls and tickling them. It's a video. They're all
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Speaker 1: giggling hysterically, including him. I've got photos of him lounging
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Speaker 1: by the beach. I'd love to see those photos of
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Speaker 1: him hiking and what looks to be a jungle rainfall. Oh,
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Speaker 1: he is feeling no pain there, Keili Brantley, I hope
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Speaker 1: you don't fall for that look like and seeker. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Judy Hoe, did you know that Luigimanngioni is apparently the
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Speaker 1: victim in this scenario. Doctor Judy Hoe is joining US
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Speaker 1: clinical forensic neuro psychologist, author of the New Rules of
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Speaker 1: Attachment and another bestseller, Stop Self Sabotage. You need to
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Speaker 1: write one, doctor Judy Hoe, about try to tell the
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Speaker 1: truth and then send it. You know, I'll pay for
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Speaker 1: it and we can send it to Luigi Mangioni. He
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Speaker 1: is not the victim here. But you know you can't
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Speaker 1: count out the defense attorney Agnafello. He got Sean Combs
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Speaker 1: off on the major accusations in that indictment. So no
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Speaker 1: matter how ridiculous I may think he sounds, he essentially
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Speaker 1: won that case. Yes, his defense team that claims Luigi
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Speaker 1: Mangioni is the victim. I want to read it, doctor
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Speaker 1: Judy Hope, beautiful promising life derailed by those irritating murder charges.
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Speaker 3: Judy, Wow, beautiful promising life, Nancy, what a narrative.
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Speaker 6: And as you said, even though he's not the victim.
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Speaker 3: I think this is why there has been a fan
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Speaker 3: base though, because there's these individuals who actually believe maybe
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Speaker 3: he is a victim, that he's some type of anti hero,
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Speaker 3: that he's misunderstood. And oftentimes we see this as individuals
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Speaker 3: who might act charismatically, they just seem to pull people in.
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Speaker 3: And it's weird because a lot of these people who
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Speaker 3: develop this sort of fanhood around Luigi. They're kind of thinking, well,
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Speaker 3: maybe I can be a special person in his life,
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Speaker 3: maybe he'll pay attention to me.
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Speaker 6: Maybe I can even develop a friendship with this person.
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Speaker 6: This person might learn to trust me. It's really interesting,
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Speaker 6: but some of it actually has to do with a
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Speaker 6: self centeredness of people who might actually talk to him,
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Speaker 6: that they're hoping to get something special out of it
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Speaker 6: for themselves.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Doreti Gudio. I know you're the clinical and
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Speaker 1: forensic neuropsychologist, but I don't even know what you just said.
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Speaker 1: How can the defense stand up and say this is
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Speaker 1: not about the murder victim. Can we show, please, Brian
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Speaker 1: Thompson walking along and he's gunned down in cold blood,
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Speaker 1: leaving behind two sons and a wife. That's the victim,
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Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, is Luigi Mangioni holding a three D
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Speaker 1: weapon that he made that it took dozens and dozens
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Speaker 1: of hours to make, so he can gun down a
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Speaker 1: guy walking to work in the back. You stated, I
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Speaker 1: don't know what that was, doctor Judijo. I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: you're wrong. I'm just saying I'm just a trial lawyer
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Speaker 1: didn't understand it. But I think I know some of
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Speaker 1: the people that consider Luigi Mangioni to be the victim.
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Speaker 1: And here they are filing in to court. Okay, oh
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Speaker 1: what Luigi fights fascists. Okay, look at this line. Now,
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Speaker 1: wait till you see the cat walk parade of sad
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Speaker 1: sack women filing in to They won't even show their
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Speaker 1: face to get a glimpse of Luigi Mangioni. Yes, keep
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Speaker 1: it going, Keep it going, because I've got hours of people. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was totally walking the cat walk right there, clamoring
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Speaker 1: to get in to just bask in the glow of
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Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni. Oh it keeps going. Yeah, on and on.
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Speaker 1: They had to turn women away, and it's not just women. Listen.
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Speaker 7: So this is who police believe was responsible for the
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Speaker 7: United Healthcare ceo PP. His name's Glubigi. All I can
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Speaker 7: say is mia, does he need a Mario? I believe
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Speaker 7: it was a great philosopher and poet once said, Mama,
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Speaker 7: I'm in love with a criminal, and this type of
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Speaker 7: love isn't rational, it's physical. That was Britney Spears, and
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Speaker 7: I believe we're all feeling that right now. I believe
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Speaker 7: if you're going to do superhero like shit, you better
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Speaker 7: look like one. Okay, this man clearly did that. Did
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Speaker 7: he train at the Marvel Studios with all the other
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Speaker 7: crisis Okay, because Luigi, that's a spicy meat the ball.
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Speaker 7: I'm so sorry. I believe if we're going to claim
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Speaker 7: to be a Christian nation, that we need to act
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Speaker 7: like one. And part of acting like that is practicing forgiveness.
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Speaker 7: And after a lot of seconds of thinking, I have
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Speaker 7: decided I'm gonna forgive him. I'm ready to forgive him, right,
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Speaker 7: but not forget, because I mean, my god, how could
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Speaker 7: you forget an angel like this? I'm not gonna For
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Speaker 7: a while thought, oh my god, we're never gonna find him,
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Speaker 7: you know. And I was wrong, because somewhere on the
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Speaker 7: way the ups and downs, the highs and lows, the
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Speaker 7: masks and no masks, this man he found a way
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Speaker 7: into our hearts. He did.
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Speaker 1: I hardly even know where to start with that. That
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Speaker 1: is from mister William's spreck on TikTok. I'm in love
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Speaker 1: with a criminal and I forgive him After a few
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Speaker 1: seconds of consideration, Doctor gud Hoe It I can't say
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Speaker 1: it gets worse. But there's more. Listen, you can't take
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Speaker 1: my man, his blood on his head. When you're the
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Speaker 1: one with the good who's tacking lash for fun, you
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Speaker 1: can't take my man. And that's from Scarlett park TikTok.
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Speaker 1: So it's gone beyond calling him a spicy meatball. These
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Speaker 1: people actually consider Luigimi and Gioni their man, and they
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Speaker 1: are angry with the fans for prosecuting. What have I
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Speaker 1: gone down the rabbit hole? Am I in some crazy
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Speaker 1: bizarre alice in Wonderland? What is happening, doctor Judy Hoe.
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Speaker 3: I know it seems completely unbelievable, Nancy, but this does happen.
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Speaker 3: People start to idolize these potential uh. I mean, clearly
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Speaker 3: this is a defendant, right, But they're thinking, in their minds,
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Speaker 3: this person is innocent. Maybe I'm gonna be their special person,
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Speaker 3: and they're lusting after them the way that they would
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Speaker 3: lust after a celebrity, especially when they see photos and
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Speaker 3: videos that they can start cutting into their own social media.
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Speaker 3: They're developing a fictionalized relationship with him, a fantasy and
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Speaker 3: essentially completely erasing all of the facts that have been
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Speaker 3: evident in this case. And clearly the defendant's attorneys are
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Speaker 3: trying to paint that picture as well, leaning into it
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Speaker 3: as hard as possible, because they're hoping to influence the
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Speaker 3: public opinion even before a jury is selected, so that
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Speaker 3: they can hopefully get him the outcome that he wants,
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Speaker 3: which is apparently to escape a.
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Speaker 6: Death sentence, escape prison.
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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not sure exactly what they think is possible,
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Speaker 3: but that's what's so scary about all the positivity that
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Speaker 3: has developed around his persona in terms of all of
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Speaker 3: these illustrations, the website they set up about and it's
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Speaker 3: really concerning.
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Speaker 1: And you know, Cheryl mccollumy is joining me. Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Investigative Research Institute, founder, author of a brand new book,
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Speaker 1: Swans Don't Swim in a Sewer, Solving the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: of the Flint River Killer's Daughter on Amazon. Cheryl, Okay,
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Speaker 1: do you remember the night that you and I were
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Speaker 1: out until two o'clock in the morning staking out a
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Speaker 1: location where we thought Luigi Mangioni was going to be apprehended.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember that night? Because I sure do I do.
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Speaker 1: How has this gotten so bass ackwards, Cheryl Nancy?
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Speaker 2: It is mind boggling that anybody is trying to paint
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Speaker 2: this killer as the victim. I mean, the victim's life
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Speaker 2: was not just promising, it was in full swing. He
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Speaker 2: had a wife and children, and a career at the
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Speaker 2: highest level. He had friends and extended family. He had
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Speaker 2: everything going for him. Mangione had none of that, but
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Speaker 2: he took everything on those children. And I'm going to
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Speaker 2: tell you something, when you look at the people that
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Speaker 2: are contacting him, I hope and pray that those six
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Speaker 2: thousand letters that he's got, that one hundred and fifteen
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Speaker 2: a day, that there's some good intel in there too,
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Speaker 2: because he is writing people back, so he's communicating, and
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Speaker 2: I hope they're listing every.
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Speaker 1: Piece of it. Somehow this has gotten topsy turvy upside down.
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Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten into the legal implications of what
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Speaker 1: is happening in court. I'm just so concerned that one
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Speaker 1: of these nutjobs is going to end up on the
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Speaker 1: ultimate jury and acquit Luigi Mangioni under the misconception that
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Speaker 1: he is somehow the victim. Again in court, his lawyers
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Speaker 1: and I'm quoting, claim that his beautiful, promising life has
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Speaker 1: been derailed murder charges. It's all about me, me, me, me,
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Speaker 1: me me. This is a millionaire's son, multimillionaire who grew
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Speaker 1: up with silver spoon stuck in his mouth and has
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Speaker 1: been living in a Hawaii high rise on the beach
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Speaker 1: doing nothing, and yet he's the victim. Can you imagine,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, how hard Thompson had to work to get
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Speaker 1: to become the CEO at United Healthcare. It wasn't handed
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Speaker 1: to him on a silver platter on top of a
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Speaker 1: Christmas tree like it was MANGIONI. He had to work
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Speaker 1: and sacrifice long, long hours to get to where he
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Speaker 1: got to to be gunned down like a dog on
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Speaker 1: the sidewalk, Cheryl.
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Speaker 2: Nancy, you cannot compare these two people. That's why I
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Speaker 2: agree with you. This whole thing is upside down. Not
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Speaker 2: only did the victim work and sacrifice, so did his wife.
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Speaker 2: You know what it is. You know how long David
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Speaker 2: has gone during the day. It's not an eight hour day,
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Speaker 2: it's a sixteen seventeen hour game. He was playing at
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Speaker 2: the top of his game. There's no doubt about it.
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Speaker 2: Mangione was giving nothing to a family, he was giving
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Speaker 2: nothing to society. He was contributing z rows and again,
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Speaker 2: what he took cannot even be measured.
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Speaker 1: If I hear one more person talk about his back pain,
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Speaker 1: that's you, calib Brantley. I think my head's gonna blow
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Speaker 1: off because I have videos of him tickling these girls
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Speaker 1: and picking them up just before the shooting. I can't
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Speaker 1: show it because it has the girl's faces in it.
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Speaker 1: But he was feeling no pain. But it's all about me, Me, me, me, me,
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Speaker 1: why me? And he's certainly not the first. Let me
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Speaker 1: refresh your recollection, as we say in court with bride
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Speaker 1: killer Jamie Lee Koumarowski. Listen to her, right, just don't know.
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Speaker 3: Why that's hard to happen to me, because bad things
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Speaker 3: happen to good people, Haney, That's why.
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Speaker 2: It's just it's just.
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Speaker 6: Something that happened to you.
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Speaker 3: And we are going to deal with the best week past.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Dave mac joining me, Crimes Stories investigative reporter. You
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Speaker 1: know who the bride killer is, right, Jamie Lee Komarowski.
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Speaker 1: She's guilty. She got totally stinking drunk and plowed into
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Speaker 1: a beautiful bride leaving her wedding reception with the groom
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Speaker 1: and killed her. And there she is behind bars, going
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Speaker 1: why is this happening to me?
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Speaker 8: One look and listen to her father, Nancy, what does
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Speaker 8: he say, Well, bad things happen to good people.
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Speaker 1: No they don't.
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Speaker 8: You just killed somebody because of your own actions. See,
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Speaker 8: we've got a whole group of people now that never
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Speaker 8: want to admit they did anything wrong. Everything is on them.
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Speaker 8: How can you possibly think man Joni is sitting here
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Speaker 8: saying his life is derailed. Well, he destroyed another life
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Speaker 8: and another family. Kamarowski sitting in jail, Why is this
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Speaker 8: happening to me?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 3: Why not?
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Speaker 8: What did you expect? What happened? Sick of this? Nancy
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Speaker 8: is getting really tiresome.
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Speaker 1: And there is her victim, Samantha Miller in her wedding dress,
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Speaker 1: just before she's mowed down dead by Jamie Lee Komarowski.
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Speaker 1: And here's I guess this would have to be the
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Speaker 1: Miss Universe of Yme Jody Arius check her out. She
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Speaker 1: is more concerned about her makeup as she is approaching
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Speaker 1: trial in the brutal stabbing and shooting death of her
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Speaker 1: fiance Travis Alexander, who was stabbed at least twenty nine times.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan and I have argued about that. I
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Speaker 1: say it was more than that. Check it out, Jody Areas,
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Speaker 1: you should have at least done your makeup before you
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Speaker 1: speak to police about murdering your fiance when he broke
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Speaker 1: up and started seeing someone else. That earlier video from
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Speaker 1: forty eight hours just Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, do you
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Speaker 1: recall Travis Alexander's death? Hey, stay on that video because
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Speaker 1: is they're about to question her about what could have
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Speaker 1: happened to Travis Alexander. She starts singing and there you go,
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Speaker 1: does a headstand and bemoans the fact she doesn't have
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Speaker 1: on her lip gloss. Talk about me, me, me, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: what happened to Travis?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was brutally murdered, Nancy. She had him stripped down, nude,
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Speaker 4: taking a shower, taking dirtie pictures, if you will, And
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Speaker 4: while his back is turned, she takes a knife and
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Speaker 4: plunges it into his back over and over and over again.
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Speaker 4: When he turns around to defend himself to try to
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Speaker 4: parry her stabs at him, he gets stabbed in the
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Speaker 4: chest as well. And if it wasn't enough, after he
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Speaker 4: spits up blood onto his stink, onto his sink, he
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Speaker 4: crawls tries to crawl away from her down the hallway.
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Speaker 4: She straddles him and cuts his throat from ear to
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Speaker 4: ear and the kupdi gras she shoots him after he
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Speaker 4: is dead. That's the kind of human that you're looking
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Speaker 4: at right here. She's absolutely disgusting and it's.
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Speaker 1: All about me, me, me, Scott Morgan, you've seen it all.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to say, say you something you haven't
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Speaker 1: seen yet. Speaking of me, me, me, and criminal defendants
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Speaker 1: focusing only on themselves and not their victims. There is
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Speaker 1: the drunk, stinking drunk a d a assistant district's attorney
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Speaker 1: Devin Flanning. And listen to her as what the protocol is?
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Speaker 9: Protocol?
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Speaker 1: And you by aske youters turn off the body?
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Speaker 8: Can you have to turn it off?
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Speaker 6: And that's your protocol, lawyer.
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Speaker 5: So she knows well.
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Speaker 4: Lawyers, so that's not true.
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Speaker 1: So we gotta go no it is. That's that's a law.
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Speaker 1: I'm an ag, I'm an aging.
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Speaker 8: Good for you.
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Speaker 1: Let's go on. Those two were kicked out of I
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Speaker 1: think it was a bar for being drunk and belligerent.
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Speaker 1: Then you've got oh gosh, she's been called a screaming
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Speaker 1: bands she and do you hear going I'm an a da,
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Speaker 1: I'm an Ada. Every cent it starts with I. I
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Speaker 1: I listen to this woman, Joe Scott.
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Speaker 2: He ain't needs not judge me.
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Speaker 1: He he wants to call a salt.
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Speaker 5: We're gonna go through that row.
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Speaker 1: No, he wants to go through assault. No, we're not
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Speaker 1: doing that. Then no, he he claims I assaulted him. No,
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Speaker 1: we're not doing that. We're not doing that. And then,
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Speaker 1: of course maybe this one beats Jody Arius. No, no, no,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go with Luigi Mangioni. And he's
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Speaker 1: a beautiful life. Dearield, I'm sure you recall Shana Hubers
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Speaker 1: that gave her ex boyfriend the quote nos jop he
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Speaker 1: always want with a handgun. Listen, Starry Vain.
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Speaker 6: One of our last conversations we had that was good
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Speaker 6: was sitting once my best friend of the dentist to
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Speaker 6: do with the marrs and want to get a noob,
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Speaker 6: just that.
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Speaker 10: Kind of person.
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Speaker 11: And I'm right here.
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Speaker 1: I gave him his nose job.
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Speaker 11: He wanted.
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Speaker 3: I want to marry me if they know that I
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Speaker 3: kill my boyfriend and helped.
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Speaker 11: Not funny, but I'm not you.
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Speaker 1: Know, Joe Scott Morgan Professor Forensics and death investigator. Your
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Speaker 1: forte is dead bodies and causes of death and modes
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Speaker 1: of death. Let me go to special guests joining us now,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us out of the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angie Arnold, what is that? I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you saw this for yourself, but me and
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Speaker 1: Gioni's defensive team is actually arguing his life was derailed
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Speaker 1: by the murder charges.
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Speaker 12: You know, Nancy, My thought is that's all they've got.
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Speaker 12: Who cares if his life was derailed. He is accused
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Speaker 12: of murdering someone. Maybe his life should be derailed. But
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Speaker 12: the way I feel about this is, Nancy, that's all
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Speaker 12: they've got to say. That is the only thing they've got.
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Speaker 1: I've seen photos of Luegia Minchioni practicing yoga, tickling multiple
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Speaker 1: girls in a hallway all at once. Every shot I
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Speaker 1: see of him, he's out in nature. He's not at work.
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Speaker 1: We keep hearing he quit his job. He was laid off. Gee,
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Speaker 1: I wonder why maybe the job interfered with the tickling
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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace throughout this week, Luigia Mangioni
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Speaker 1: and his defensive team have been fighting it out in
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Speaker 1: court to get a lot of evidence suppressed. Forget about
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Speaker 1: all the sad sack women lined up to get in.
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Speaker 1: Forget about the martyrdom of Luigi Mangioni. Let's talk about
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Speaker 1: the facts and the law.
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Speaker 13: Listen taking orders as she tells the operator, I have
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Speaker 13: a customer here that some other customers were suspicious of that.
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Speaker 13: He looks like the CEO shooter in New York, and
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Speaker 13: they're generally upset and come to me, and I'm like,
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Speaker 13: I can't approach him. The manager continues working and can
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Speaker 13: be heard talking about bagels, at one point shouting one
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Speaker 13: of them is no better. The nine one one operator,
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Speaker 13: Emily States, testifies about the call and is heard to
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Speaker 13: ask for a description, with the manager replying, the only
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Speaker 13: thing you can see is the eyebrows.
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Speaker 1: Joining us is Skuy Lazarro. She's a veteran criminal defense attorney.
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Speaker 1: She's practiced in both She's practiced in both state and
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Speaker 1: federal court. She is with Ray Quinny and nebecker Sky.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. If the defense is
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Speaker 1: arguing that Luigimngioni was illegally arrested, the nine to one
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Speaker 1: one call occurred before the arrest, So what could be
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Speaker 1: the possible grounds for suppressing that call by the McDonald's manager.
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Speaker 14: I think they're going to have a really hard time
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Speaker 14: keeping the nine to one one call out. I can
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Speaker 14: understand it from a defense perspective. You have to try,
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Speaker 14: but when it comes to nine to one one calls,
22:23
Speaker 14: as long as you can lay the foundation for it,
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Speaker 14: it's probably coming in.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you one thing I know Sky lazarro
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Speaker 1: that they hate about this nine to one one call.
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Speaker 1: We had the same thing happen in the Idaho Slaghings
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Speaker 1: for Beautiful Idaho University Students, where Dylan Mortenson described Brian
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Speaker 1: Coberger's freaky, bushy eyebrows. Listen, just remember seeing.
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Speaker 9: This figure that was like not fat obviously, but more
22:55
Speaker 9: of like the skinnyer tongue build.
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Speaker 5: And some mask on.
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Speaker 9: I don't know what the exactly was, but when I
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Speaker 9: thought about it, it was just like covering here and here.
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Speaker 9: I don't know if he's covering his mouth his nose
23:05
Speaker 9: or below his mouth and nose. I just remember knowing
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Speaker 9: that he was white, but I didn't know how he
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Speaker 9: was white.
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Speaker 7: I just knew he was and this knowing.
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Speaker 9: There's like I knew he had looked at me because
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Speaker 9: of a Bushye, that's all I remember.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is Tom Smith, former NYPD detective thirty years now,
23:25
Speaker 1: star of the gold Shields podcast, and he covered the
23:30
Speaker 1: very same streets where Brian Thompson was gunned down in
23:33
Speaker 1: cold blood. You know, I have had a killer identified.
23:40
Speaker 1: He was a chef, by the way, identified by a
23:42
Speaker 1: particular limp that he had. I've had a bank robber
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Speaker 1: identified because he walked sleugh footed, in other words, like
23:53
Speaker 1: a duck. They are all sorts of ways to identify someone.
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Speaker 1: It can be by voice, it could be any number
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Speaker 1: of things. In this case, the McDonald's manager said, bushy eyebrows,
24:09
Speaker 1: and there's no doubt that's Luigi Mangioni. They hate it.
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Speaker 10: They hate that identification, Tom, Yeah, they do, because you know,
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Speaker 10: it shows how important Nancy and we did this when
24:21
Speaker 10: we first started talking about this case, how important the
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Speaker 10: videos and all the photos were to get out to
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Speaker 10: the public, even if his face was covered, even if
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Speaker 10: he was in a cab or.
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Speaker 11: Whatever it was, because those eyebrows jumped off the page
24:37
Speaker 11: to everyone who looked at it. That was the number
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Speaker 11: one thing that everyone looked at as a looking point
24:43
Speaker 11: and identification point when it came to him, and it
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Speaker 11: just showed that the quicker they got those photos out,
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Speaker 11: the better it was.
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Speaker 1: In the end of this, you know, I'm very curious
24:54
Speaker 1: about this, the fact that he is identified at McDonald's
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Speaker 1: by his eye browse, among other things. Let's see the
25:02
Speaker 1: pictures of the McDonald's. There you go, there he is
25:05
Speaker 1: at McDonald's. But skyl Azaara, don't you think that the
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Speaker 1: defense should be more concerned about the fact that he
25:13
Speaker 1: can be identified at the time of the killing. He
25:17
Speaker 1: showed his face repeatedly. I agree with you.
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Speaker 14: He probably should have been a little bit more careful
25:22
Speaker 14: at that time and that should be the stuff they're
25:24
Speaker 14: seeking to exclude, and maybe they will, I think as
25:27
Speaker 14: it goes to the nine to one one call. The
25:29
Speaker 14: defenses probably only argument is that these are witnesses who
25:34
Speaker 14: identified him, not from the shooting. They weren't there that night,
25:38
Speaker 14: so they can't say I saw him do the shooting.
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Speaker 14: They just want to exclude it because he's at the McDonald's.
25:44
Speaker 14: The problem is they get to the McDonald's and it
25:47
Speaker 14: turns out to be him.
25:48
Speaker 1: Speaking of getting to the McDonald's. The defense is arguing
25:53
Speaker 1: that while he wasn't really under arrest, he was kind
25:57
Speaker 1: of under arrest because so many police started showing up
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Speaker 1: and massing at the McDonald's. They were concerned, if this
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Speaker 1: is Luigi Mangioni, the healthcare assassin, he's probably armed, and
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Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, he was. He was armed.
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Speaker 1: There was a weapon in his backpack sitting right there
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Speaker 1: with him, so they were right. Now, what the defense
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Speaker 1: is arguing is that having multipolice multiple police officers show
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Speaker 1: up is tantamount equal to arresting him. Why do we
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Speaker 1: care because police engaged in a conversation with him to
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Speaker 1: identify him, and he spilled a lot of information in
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Speaker 1: that conversation. The state says it was before his arrest.
26:39
Speaker 1: Why does it matter, because a statement taken while you
26:44
Speaker 1: are in custody without miranda will be suppressed. So they
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Speaker 1: want the judge to believe that because several police officers
26:53
Speaker 1: showed up at McDonald's, that me and Gioni was effectively
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Speaker 1: under arrest in any statement he made pre miranda should
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Speaker 1: be suppressed. That's not going to happen when I walk
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Speaker 1: into Let's just pretend Chipotle and all the Atlanta PD
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Speaker 1: are in there getting a salad. I don't feel like
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Speaker 1: I'm under arrest. Think about it. Listen.
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Speaker 13: Mangoni stares at monitors showing his arrest at McDonald's. Manjoni
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Speaker 13: sits to eat breakfast. At nine oh three. Eleven minutes later,
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Speaker 13: the nine one one call is made. Nine twenty eight
27:27
Speaker 13: two police officers show up and begin talking to Mangoni.
27:31
Speaker 13: The restaurant slowly begins to fill with police until nine
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Speaker 13: forty two, when at least eight officers are visible on
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Speaker 13: the recording. The defense claims packing the place with police
27:40
Speaker 13: amounts to unlawful attention prior to Mangoni's arrest. Agnifilo argues
27:44
Speaker 13: police surrounding Mangoni and the McDonald's this tantamount to illegally
27:48
Speaker 13: detaining the alleged killer. Agniffilo also takes exception with the
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Speaker 13: way officers treated Mangoni's backpack during the arrest, claiming it
27:55
Speaker 13: was warrantlessly searched on the scene.
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Speaker 1: In other words, they looked in his back Cheryl McCollum
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Speaker 1: joining me. She is not only a crime scene investigator
28:04
Speaker 1: and founder of the Cold Case Research Institute, but she
28:08
Speaker 1: is also the star of a hit podcast which I
28:11
Speaker 1: actually put on a loop sometimes. Cheryl McCollum, Zone seven,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, has it ever dawned on you when you
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Speaker 1: go into McDonald's for a cup of coffee, that you're
28:21
Speaker 1: arresting somebody, that you're a mere presence equals an arrest,
28:26
Speaker 1: Because that's what they're arguing and what they're trying to do, Cheryl,
28:30
Speaker 1: is get out from under what Manngioni said to police
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Speaker 1: pre miranda and them finding evidence in his backpack.
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Speaker 2: I think the body cam is going to be so
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Speaker 2: critical here because it's going to show all of his actions.
28:47
Speaker 2: It's going to, you know, show the world that he
28:50
Speaker 2: stood up and thought he was under arrest. Only a
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Speaker 2: guilty person would think that, Nancy. What the defense is
28:56
Speaker 2: doing is there basically, look, you use newer to make
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Speaker 2: something grow, right, So they are planting and cultivating and
29:04
Speaker 2: trying to grow this story that he's the victim, that
29:07
Speaker 2: he didn't do anything, that he was under arrest, and
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Speaker 2: now we can't use anything, and it's just be a.
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Speaker 1: While this legal warfare is taking place in a courtroom.
29:18
Speaker 1: Manzione's attorneys continue to insist that he's the victim.
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Speaker 15: He's a young man and he is being treated like
29:27
Speaker 15: a human ping pong ball between two warring jurisdictions here,
29:31
Speaker 15: and they are literally treating him like he is like
29:38
Speaker 15: some sort of political fodder, like some sort of spectacle.
29:41
Speaker 15: He was on display for everyone to see in the
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Speaker 15: biggest staged purp walk I've ever seen in my career.
29:47
Speaker 15: There was no reason for the NYPD and everybody to
29:50
Speaker 15: have these big assault rifles that frankly, I had no
29:52
Speaker 15: idea it was in their arsenal. And to have all
29:55
Speaker 15: of these these the press there, the media there, it
29:59
Speaker 15: was like perfectly core aoreograph. And what was the New
30:01
Speaker 15: York City mayor doing at this press conference?
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Speaker 3: He is a walking talking contradiction.
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Speaker 2: He supposedly is against this wealthy CEO is yet he
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Speaker 2: comes for money.
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Speaker 1: This is the guy living in a high rise in
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Speaker 1: Honolulu waking up to the beach every morning. Did you
30:18
Speaker 1: wake up to a beach this morning? Dec I Sert
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Speaker 1: did not. The Luigi Mangioni defense is fighting tooth and
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Speaker 1: nail to keep out what happened in that McDonald's, and
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Speaker 1: as Cheryl McCombs pointing out, that bodycam is going to
30:31
Speaker 1: be so significant because It doesn't matter what the state says.
30:34
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what the defense says or how much
30:37
Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni claims he's the victim. What matters is what
30:40
Speaker 1: really happened inside that McDonald's. They're not going to get
30:43
Speaker 1: the nine one one call suppressed, that's not happening. But
30:47
Speaker 1: what happened in the McDonald's Is the state going to
30:50
Speaker 1: lose valuable evidence on illegal technicality? Why is it they
30:57
Speaker 1: want that backpack suppressed? Straight out to Investigator at large
31:04
Speaker 1: for dailymail dot com kill Lebrandley. What was in the backpack? Nancy?
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Speaker 5: There was a three D printed gun. It's a handgun
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Speaker 5: which is believed to could possibly be the murder weapon.
31:16
Speaker 5: There was a notebook with handwritten notes in it, and
31:19
Speaker 5: he also had a knife on him, which was discovered
31:22
Speaker 5: about twenty minutes later, so he was armed and at
31:25
Speaker 5: that point he was considered very dangerous.
31:27
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, what did you say was written in
31:31
Speaker 1: Mangione's spiral notebook.
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Speaker 5: That was in his backpack that he wanted any use
31:36
Speaker 5: the word whack the healthcare CEO whack meaning kill herd destroy.
31:42
Speaker 1: No wonder they want it suppressed to Dave mac Crime
31:46
Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter. Tell me about the three D gun
31:51
Speaker 1: sometimes called a ghost gun.
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Speaker 8: But Nancy, you know we've been we have not been
31:56
Speaker 8: given the very specifics of what type of gun. We
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Speaker 8: know it's a pistol, but we don't know the exact
32:03
Speaker 8: name of it. Three D printed firearms take a massive
32:06
Speaker 8: amount of time and filament far more than any other.
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Speaker 8: Deliberator is the most common, and it's the easiest one
32:13
Speaker 8: to print. It takes the shortest amount of time. Deliberator
32:17
Speaker 8: takes thirty hours of constant printing with non stop printing.
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Speaker 8: Nancy thirty hours to print the easiest of all the pistols.
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Speaker 1: Tom Smith, here's the thing with a ghost gun is
32:29
Speaker 1: made on a three D printer. Tom, It's unserialized. That's
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Speaker 1: why they're so popular amongst criminals. You think Grandpa as
32:41
Speaker 1: is long gun, is shotgun under the bed? You think
32:43
Speaker 1: it's a three D printed gun. No, it's got a
32:46
Speaker 1: serial number. Why is it so serious that a ghost
32:51
Speaker 1: gun is un serialized.
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Speaker 11: Well, because you can't trace it. No matter what you
32:58
Speaker 11: do with that weapon, it cannot be traced back to you.
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Speaker 11: And that is why so many criminals and Luigi Maggioni
33:05
Speaker 11: of course went to the lengths that he did to
33:08
Speaker 11: make that gun, because that is the predetermined and premeditation
33:12
Speaker 11: of it. Already, he's already thinking ahead of that gun
33:16
Speaker 11: not being traced to him, and that is part of
33:19
Speaker 11: this as well.
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Speaker 1: Tom Smith, you're exactly correct. To Justin Scott Morgan. Let
33:24
Speaker 1: me introduce him formally. He is a professor of forensics
33:28
Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure program.
33:32
Speaker 1: He's the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
33:35
Speaker 1: He is a death investigator that has handled thousands of
33:38
Speaker 1: death sayings, and he's a star of hit podcast Body.
33:42
Speaker 1: Back to Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, what is a
33:48
Speaker 1: suppressor or commonly known as a silencer.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, stay away from the term silencer, because no weapon
33:57
Speaker 4: is silenced, it is suppressed. That means that the crack
34:01
Speaker 4: of the sound you're talking about a perhaps supersonic round,
34:06
Speaker 4: it's traveling, you know, past the speed of sound. So
34:08
Speaker 4: what you want to do is reduce that sound that's
34:11
Speaker 4: put forth from the muzzle. If you take a close look,
34:15
Speaker 4: I'm glad that you have that image. You take a
34:17
Speaker 4: close look at that weapon. There the end of that
34:20
Speaker 4: muzzle is actually threaded. What that means is is that
34:25
Speaker 4: it's adaptable. It's adaptable to contain a suppressor. The suppressor
34:29
Speaker 4: is displayed here. It's that long black cylindrical object there.
34:33
Speaker 4: It can be screwed on on the end. Well, you
34:36
Speaker 4: want to knock down the sound, so it's not going
34:39
Speaker 4: to draw attention to you when you fired this thing.
34:42
Speaker 4: Because let's just say that it is a non suppressed weapon.
34:45
Speaker 4: This thing's going to echo through the canyons down there
34:48
Speaker 4: in Manhattan, through all of those buildings. You'll still hear
34:51
Speaker 4: a sound, but it'll be a slight crack. It's not
34:54
Speaker 4: like it's portrayed in movies, okay, but it will reduce
34:57
Speaker 4: the sound, it doesn't completely eliminate it. And the purpose
35:00
Speaker 4: of this is so that you're not going to draw
35:02
Speaker 4: attention to any one. It does reduce, say, some of
35:07
Speaker 4: the capabilities of the weapon as far as the effectiveness
35:11
Speaker 4: of it at a greater range. But this is this
35:14
Speaker 4: is not a close range. As a matter of fact,
35:17
Speaker 4: if we were to look at the body here, it
35:19
Speaker 4: would be classified as indeterminate because you're not going to
35:22
Speaker 4: have any kind of sut deposition gun unperned gunpowder. It
35:27
Speaker 4: will have fallen away by that time, but this is
35:30
Speaker 4: not too distant of a shot. You'll still have that
35:32
Speaker 4: same muzzle velocity striking into Brian Thompson's body. It's effectively lethal.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now, the star of Zone seven podcast, Cheryl
35:44
Speaker 1: McCollum is with us. Cheryl who has un serialized guns
35:51
Speaker 1: and silencers.
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Speaker 2: Criminals, And maybe there's another thing. Even though this is
35:57
Speaker 2: a three D printed weapon, it's still gonna lead marking
36:01
Speaker 2: on casons and they're gonna be able to be, you know,
36:05
Speaker 2: determined that this weapon fired the bullets that murdered Brian Thompson.
36:11
Speaker 2: So forensically, it's not going to get you out of trouble.
36:15
Speaker 2: They may not can trace it to a manufacturer, to
36:18
Speaker 2: a bar that they can absolutely determine that that bullet
36:23
Speaker 2: was fired by that weapon.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, you're so right, and Tom Smith, this is
36:30
Speaker 1: like a fish in water for you. Every day you
36:33
Speaker 1: were getting off the streets of Manhattan guns to match
36:37
Speaker 1: with bullets, bullets that were literally dug out of victims' bodies.
36:44
Speaker 1: And Cheryl said it right. A bullet hurls down the
36:50
Speaker 1: barrel of a gun, that gun may look like all
36:54
Speaker 1: the other guns in the gun store showcase. But it's
36:57
Speaker 1: not because inside the barrel, the metal has cooled in
37:02
Speaker 1: a certain way and it leaves ridges and imperfections on
37:07
Speaker 1: the inside of the barrel, and as that bullet shoots
37:11
Speaker 1: down the barrel, it is forever marked by those imperfections.
37:19
Speaker 1: So when you take the murder weapon to the crime
37:21
Speaker 1: lab and you shoot a bullet through the murder weapon,
37:25
Speaker 1: and you take the known bullet dug out of the
37:28
Speaker 1: victim and you put it under a microscope next to
37:31
Speaker 1: the one you just shot, it's like a fingerprint. No
37:36
Speaker 1: other gun, be it a three D printed gun, a
37:39
Speaker 1: grandma's Bessie's out from under her her mattress, you can
37:45
Speaker 1: track and identify like a fingerprint, that bullet came from
37:50
Speaker 1: that gun. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 11: And that's the best way to say it. It's it's
37:56
Speaker 11: the gun's fingerprint and the ballistic check of that in
37:59
Speaker 11: the twist and all of that is what you match up.
38:03
Speaker 11: And it is a fingerprint that is unmatchable, you know,
38:06
Speaker 11: to anyone else. It is strictly to that weapon that
38:10
Speaker 11: you will match up the weapon. Take the round taken
38:14
Speaker 11: out of the victim and match it up and that
38:16
Speaker 11: is damaging when it comes to court.
38:19
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Tom Smith, that is why they are
38:22
Speaker 1: fighting to the death in court to keep that jury
38:27
Speaker 1: from every knowing of a ballistics match that his three
38:32
Speaker 1: day pretty gun is the murder weapon. Listen to Alvin Bragg,
38:37
Speaker 1: the Manhattan District Attorney, For.
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Speaker 16: Nearly an hour we alledged to the definitet waited in
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Speaker 16: the area near the Hilton Hotel waiting for mister Thompson
38:47
Speaker 16: to appear. From six thirty eight am to six forty
38:50
Speaker 16: four am. The defendant stood across from the entrance of
38:53
Speaker 16: the hotel on West fifty fourth Street. When he saw
38:56
Speaker 16: mister Thompson, he crossed the street and approached him from behind.
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Speaker 16: We alleged he then took out a nine millimeter three
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Speaker 16: D printed ghost gun equipped with a three D printed
39:08
Speaker 16: suppressor and shot him once in the back and once
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Speaker 16: in the leg.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace What about his beach bum life?
39:24
Speaker 1: Just before the assassination.
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Speaker 3: Right around the time he disappeared, he traps off to
39:29
Speaker 3: Asia and he went on a backpacking trip.
39:31
Speaker 1: The beach Bumb photos and the two thousand dollars month
39:34
Speaker 1: eye rise and the Frola King and Honolulu. Oh my goodness,
39:39
Speaker 1: he might as well bucked up with the writz calib
39:43
Speaker 1: Brantley Daily Mail. The defense for Luigi Maggioni is also
39:47
Speaker 1: trying to suppress statements he allegedly made to his guards.
39:51
Speaker 1: He had special guards behind bars, so nothing would happen
39:56
Speaker 1: to him like it did to Epstein. So let's first
40:00
Speaker 1: talk about Thomas Rivers, the former British infantryman who was
40:05
Speaker 1: minding Mangioni. What did Manngioni allegedly say to Rivers Nancy.
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Speaker 5: Luigi was held for ten days in Pennsylvania, and he
40:16
Speaker 5: had spoken about being very disappointed that he was being
40:19
Speaker 5: compared to the unibomber. He also said that mainstream media
40:24
Speaker 5: was more focused on crime, and that when you looked
40:27
Speaker 5: at social media, they were really more focused about the
40:30
Speaker 5: healthcare industry, which, according to this officer, is what Luigi said.
40:35
Speaker 5: This was really about.
40:36
Speaker 1: Wow, sounds like a confession to me, Sky lazarro Oopsie.
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Speaker 14: Nancy, I agree and disagree.
40:42
Speaker 1: Here's the problem.
40:43
Speaker 14: They put these guys in a situation like that in
40:46
Speaker 14: solitary where they can't talk to anybody else. And the
40:49
Speaker 14: other thing is that we know these officers didn't document
40:53
Speaker 14: any of this. They're supposed to be taking notes seven
40:55
Speaker 14: times an hour about what he's doing and his well being,
40:59
Speaker 14: and he don't write down anything like he just made
41:02
Speaker 14: an admission.
41:05
Speaker 1: Sky Lazarro, did you say it's a problem he's being
41:08
Speaker 1: held in solitary. You know who else is in solitary,
41:12
Speaker 1: Brian Thompson, except his is a casket. So you're telling
41:17
Speaker 1: me again, I can't believe you're buying into this, Sky Lazarro,
41:21
Speaker 1: that he's the one that's being tormented. You know what else?
41:24
Speaker 1: He told Rivers that Rivers should really read Doors a
41:29
Speaker 1: Perception by Aldus Huxley, which is all about psychedelic drug
41:34
Speaker 1: trips and mystical interpretations. Needless to say, Rivers did not
41:40
Speaker 1: read the book. But there is another guard that he
41:45
Speaker 1: talked to. This is the one I'm really interested in listening.
41:49
Speaker 13: Officer Matt Henry wasn't chatty with the alleged killer. That
41:52
Speaker 13: doesn't stop Man Jonny from telling Henry he was caught
41:54
Speaker 13: with a three D printed firearm, the weapon used to
41:57
Speaker 13: murder CEO Brian Thompson. Attorney Mark Niphelo challenges Henry, saying,
42:02
Speaker 13: so he just blurted out to you that he had
42:04
Speaker 13: a three D printed pistol. Henry drily replies, yes too.
42:08
Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold joining us. She's a renowned psychiatrist out
42:12
Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold dot com, foreim
42:17
Speaker 1: Professor Psychiatry. It goes on and on. Former medical director
42:21
Speaker 1: at the psychiatric Obgy Inklin at Grady, which never has
42:25
Speaker 1: a lack of business. I found a lot of witnesses
42:29
Speaker 1: and victims at Grady Hospital, Doctor angel Arnold. Why is
42:34
Speaker 1: this so hard? I've met a jury's not going to
42:36
Speaker 1: have a hard time believing this that Luigi Mangioni, who
42:39
Speaker 1: has had a lifetime of entitlement, would blab to his
42:44
Speaker 1: guards why they're his new friends. They would never betray him,
42:49
Speaker 1: right yep?
42:50
Speaker 8: Oh sure.
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Speaker 17: And you know, Nancy, he probably suffers from some sort
42:55
Speaker 17: of personality disorder in which he thinks about him so
43:00
Speaker 17: an awful lot. So he really doesn't He may not
43:02
Speaker 17: see that he's done anything wrong, and he probably hasn't
43:07
Speaker 17: suffered any consequences for any of his actions in the past,
43:11
Speaker 17: and so that would make him more likely to almost
43:14
Speaker 17: be bragging about what he's done and to let other
43:17
Speaker 17: people know what he's done. This is typical for his
43:21
Speaker 17: behavior in all likelihood throughout his existence.
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Speaker 1: Tom Smith joining me, Former NYPD detective thirty years now,
43:30
Speaker 1: star co host of gold Shields podcast, Tom, What is
43:35
Speaker 1: wrong with rich people? Do they think they can just
43:40
Speaker 1: get away with everything? Anything and everything they can confess
43:45
Speaker 1: they can stay. Yeah, they caught me with the three
43:47
Speaker 1: D printed gun, which is the murder weapon. What is
43:53
Speaker 1: wrong with them? Have you noticed the same sense of
43:55
Speaker 1: entitlement sometimes does them end? Because they think they can
44:01
Speaker 1: buy off everybody that everybody wants to be their friend,
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Speaker 1: but these two guards do not want to be his friend.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, they've lived their whole life like this, Nancy. You
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Speaker 11: know they've gotten what they want, did they'd neither pay
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Speaker 11: for it or the power that they have has influenced
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Speaker 11: someone's decision into what they're getting or what they're doing,
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Speaker 11: and they just think that holds true for every aspect
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Speaker 11: of their life, including killing someone. I mean, that's how
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Speaker 11: deranged they are when it comes to the entitlement that
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Speaker 11: they believe they are are owed when it comes to
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Speaker 11: murder or you know, killing a bride. We did that show.
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Speaker 11: You know, it's just constant and it just keeps coming
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Speaker 11: up and it's absolutely disgusting.
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Speaker 1: Tom, I want you to look at a picture, if
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Speaker 1: I can get the controller to put it up for me,
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Speaker 1: dig through those files. I want to see the picture
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Speaker 1: allegedly Mangiani, who's presumed innocent, holding up the three day
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Speaker 1: with the silencer on it, pointing directly at Brian Thompson's back.
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Speaker 1: According to police, he waited an hour for just the
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Speaker 1: right moment. There's his backpack which was recovered at the McDonald's.
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Speaker 1: There's his outfit which he had with him. There's the
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Speaker 1: three D weapon, and let's look at Brian Thompson walking
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Speaker 1: along early morning going to a work conference. He shot
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Speaker 1: in the back right there. And I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: play that when he actually gets shot, because someday, somehow
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Speaker 1: his boys might look this up online and I don't
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Speaker 1: want this to be stuck in their memory. Calla Brantley.
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Speaker 1: Were any of me Gie Only's family members in court
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Speaker 1: and were any of the victims' family members in court
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Speaker 1: this week?
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Speaker 5: Not that we know of Nancy, but a lot of
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Speaker 5: Luigi's supporters And one thing, have you heard of pretty privilege?
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Speaker 5: Because it absolutely feels like Luigi is benefiting from that
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Speaker 5: by having hordes of fans because he is a handsome man.
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Speaker 5: That he is benefiting from pretty privilege. And I'm sure
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Speaker 5: his defense team is happy that they have a relatively
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Speaker 5: attractive man as a client.
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Speaker 1: Kiala, I don't find him attractive. Every time I look
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Speaker 1: at him, I see a tail swishing in the back
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Speaker 1: and two horns right here. That's what I see. What
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Speaker 1: is happening in court this week is critical. If this
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Speaker 1: evidence is suppressed, there may be no justice in this case.
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Speaker 1: A man shut down on the sidewalk on video and
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Speaker 1: no justice. We wait as justice of folds. But now
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Speaker 1: we remember an American Hero Reserve Deputy Sheriff John Stall,
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Speaker 1: Jefferson County Sheriff's, Indiana, killed in a line of duty
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Speaker 1: after fifteen years of service, leaving behind a devastated wife
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Speaker 1: turned wided American Hero Reserve Deputy Shriff John Stall. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Gray signing off goodbye friend,