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Red and Blue: Jarom Jordan reacts to Utah's Holy War win, Bear still BYU's guy (?), 24 team CFP official + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: My father taught me many things. You know what they say.
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  Speaker 1: He taught me, keep your friends close, but your enemies close.
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  Speaker 1: Time to check in on the team down south. They
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  Speaker 1: have done absolutely nothing wrong, but they're blue.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Red and Blue on the Sean O'Connell
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Hour two on a Tuesday begins with Red and Blue.
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  Speaker 1: We check in on things down in Provo.
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  Speaker 2: Often to the chagrin of our Utah fan base, but
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  Speaker 2: I think the tone might be a little bit different
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  Speaker 2: today on some of those listeners because we get to
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  Speaker 2: gloat a bit about a Holy War victory, breaking BYU's streak.
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  Speaker 2: Day this month. Jerem Jordan is our BYU insider. He's
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  Speaker 2: a day like today, he does it.
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  Speaker 1: What a guy. Hi, Jerem.
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  Speaker 3: You did it. It took seven years. Utah finally did it. Congratulations. No,
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  Speaker 3: it was, listen, that was, uh, another, another great game
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  Speaker 3: in the history of the rivalry. And it was one
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  Speaker 3: score and it was back and forth and it was
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  Speaker 3: turnovers and it was drama. I think that's what we
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  Speaker 3: all wanted. And yeah, walking out of that stadium with BYU, uh, Losing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, certainly disappointing, but excited about what BYU still
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  Speaker 3: has in front of them with the playoff. And Notre
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  Speaker 3: Dame does BYU a super big favor. So, yeah, excited
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  Speaker 3: to see the ranks tonight. But, hey, congrats to Utah.
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  Speaker 3: Won the game. And this rivalry is awesome. It's my
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  Speaker 3: favorite thing in Utah athletics ever, you know.
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  Speaker 2: It got the showcase spot that I think the conference
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  Speaker 2: and maybe these university presidents wanted it to have at
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  Speaker 2: some point. And it did, not only in the viewership window.
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  Speaker 2: It was a top ten matchup for the very first time.
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  Speaker 2: I try not to be a prisoner to what I
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  Speaker 2: see on social media and things. But there were a
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  Speaker 2: lot of those like the Josh Pate type personalities of
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  Speaker 2: the world that were finally giving the rivalry its due.
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  Speaker 1: And, of course, the game lived up to it. Is
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  Speaker 1: there any.
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  Speaker 2: After effect or long-term effect for this rivalry game because
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  Speaker 2: of the top 10 matchup, being in that 10 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: spot where the whole country had an opportunity to watch it,
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  Speaker 2: does the Holy War now get more exposure, more respect
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  Speaker 2: in 2027 and beyond because of what happened this year?
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  Speaker 3: I think it has everything to do with just how
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  Speaker 3: good the two teams are and were. Yeah, the top
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  Speaker 3: 10 things certainly helped. The showcase helped. Honestly, I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: that big of a fan of 10 AM kicks. Now
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  Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan. Honestly, I was like, wait, I
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  Speaker 3: walked out and got home. I was like, wait, I
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  Speaker 3: have time to do stuff. I'm used to this being
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  Speaker 3: like two or 3 AM.
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  Speaker 1: That was great.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm actually more of a fan of 10 AM,
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  Speaker 3: more 10 AMs, please. I certainly don't like the result,
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  Speaker 3: but just the general, like I went home and was
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  Speaker 3: able to watch a bunch of games. This was great.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think people are onto this, that, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: This is good ball, and Morgan Scali said it early
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  Speaker 3: last week. He goes, Utah's the only state in the
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  Speaker 3: country with two teams in the top ten. That's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to both programs for being that good. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know that BYU will stay in the top ten tonight, but...
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  Speaker 3: I certainly hope they're kind of sitting there at 11
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  Speaker 3: or 12, but yeah, this, this rivalry is awesome, man.
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  Speaker 3: And how you, how you get the attention of the
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  Speaker 3: country is you just, you need to be good. You
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  Speaker 3: need to play dramatic games. And then I think people,
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  Speaker 3: because they're in the same league and they're both powerful,
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  Speaker 3: I think this rivalry has elevated. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: I love the interaction of midfield with Morgan and Kalani.
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  Speaker 3: I love Kalani waving to Utah fans, Utah fans waving back.
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  Speaker 3: And frankly, I went to the game as a fan.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't actually get a media pass. And I had
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  Speaker 3: a good experience. Like, people were cool. So I think
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  Speaker 3: this has taken a turn for the better.
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  Speaker 2: I saw, I think, one fan being kind of a
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  Speaker 2: punk during the field rush to a BYU player, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there were more instances, but I felt like
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  Speaker 2: the temperature got turned down a little bit, and I
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  Speaker 2: know both coaches like that, and I know both universities
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  Speaker 2: like that to a certain extent. I mean, I'm fine
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  Speaker 2: with rivalry games being heated, but the friendship between these coaches,
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  Speaker 2: I think, makes it so that the fans kind of
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  Speaker 2: follow suit.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the vibe you were getting?
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  Speaker 3: It totally sets the tone for it. And I thought
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  Speaker 3: it was great. And there's always going to be people,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there are a few people that reminded me
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  Speaker 3: I was number one walking in, whatever, like it's all good.
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  Speaker 3: What happened again? Like that's, that's fair and fun. Like
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  Speaker 3: all good.
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  Speaker 1: It was good.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it was, it was great. I wish, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you had one, but that's what makes rivalries good. Rivalries
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  Speaker 3: aren't that fun. If, if there's no risk of losing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like it's, It's, you know, even in the
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  Speaker 3: nine-game losing streak, it was like there were some classic
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  Speaker 3: games there, and now, you know, now they're in the
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  Speaker 3: same league, and it's good. I hope this game gets
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  Speaker 3: to the last game of the regular season, though. Can
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  Speaker 3: you imagine the stakes of that game? on November 28th
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  Speaker 3: instead would have been even better. Okay. That's the only
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  Speaker 3: thing I kind of want there is give it to
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  Speaker 3: me on the last regular season game. Like, is that
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  Speaker 3: a plan for the big 12 title game? Do we
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  Speaker 3: would know like BYU is out or they're in, or,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Utah's locked up a top four seed for a, uh,
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  Speaker 3: in the playoff for a buyer's that like the stakes
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  Speaker 3: would be even higher in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Before this week, I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly.
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  Speaker 2: And now I'm like, don't give me the Holy war
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  Speaker 2: the last week of the season. Because I don't want
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  Speaker 2: both teams already having their college football playoff spot in
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  Speaker 2: the 24-team expanded format locked up and being like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, we don't need Devin Dampier or Bear Bachmeier
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  Speaker 2: to get hurt in this one, so we're playing the backups.
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  Speaker 3: Great. It's an NFL playoff game. It's a bowl game now.
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  Speaker 3: People are opting out. It is going to change everything
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  Speaker 3: with seeding. And you're right. Hey, if you're undefeated at
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  Speaker 3: that point, And you're going to be a top eight
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  Speaker 3: seed with a buy in the first round anyway. What's
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  Speaker 3: the point? So you're not wrong. I don't think college kids,
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  Speaker 3: especially in this state, would opt out. Like there's, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in years gone by, like Leonard Fournette at LSU, there
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  Speaker 3: was that whole idea, blah, blah, blah. There have been
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  Speaker 3: some things, you know, Notre Dame opting out of the
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  Speaker 3: Pop-Tarts Bowl and whatever, but. Yeah, I guess traditionally I
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  Speaker 3: like it in that spot, and I think it would
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  Speaker 3: add into some context. You know, there's no championship games.
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  Speaker 3: It's just seeding. You know what? You're probably right. The
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  Speaker 3: last regular season game actually wouldn't give it that much context.
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  Speaker 3: So what's the perfect spot then? Probably, yeah, first week
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  Speaker 3: of November. It's like late-ish. They could both be in
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  Speaker 3: the top ten. That's probably a good spot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: This might be the last great regular season of college football,
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  Speaker 2: and we're just going to have to get on board
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  Speaker 2: with a new... expanded playoff but that's not till next
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  Speaker 2: year this year it's 12 teams we're going to get
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  Speaker 2: a new set of rankings tonight and i've seen you
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  Speaker 2: and other byu uh media members and fans expressing optimism
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  Speaker 2: that even with the holy war loss if byu takes
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  Speaker 2: care of business the rest of the way that they
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  Speaker 2: will be a college football playoff team i know some
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  Speaker 2: of the predictive models reflect that as well tell me
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  Speaker 2: why you feel good about that as a possibility.
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  Speaker 3: Mainly because the win against Notre Dame is going to
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  Speaker 3: be awesome. I think at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: Notre Dame will be a top-five seed, and they'll have
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  Speaker 3: one loss, and it'll be against BYU. The juxtaposition of
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  Speaker 3: last year and this year for BYU gives me confidence.
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  Speaker 3: Last year, BYU lost to one team twice and got
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  Speaker 3: blown out both times. This year, what is it? It's
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  Speaker 3: beat Notre Dame. It's beat Arizona. TBD on how good
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  Speaker 3: Arizona is. They could be top 25 at the end.
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  Speaker 3: Big game for them, of course, against Utah this week.
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  Speaker 3: Then it's, you know, UCF losses is a bummer, but
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  Speaker 3: like Georgia has an Auburn loss. Texas has an Oklahoma loss.
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  Speaker 3: Like there are other teams like that with a loss
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  Speaker 3: like that. BYU is not alone. It's not the worst
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  Speaker 3: loss in the country. It's a bad one, but it's
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  Speaker 3: not as bad as you think. It's double OT on
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  Speaker 3: the road, you know, and then it's, and then the
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  Speaker 3: other loss is what at UCF. number two, number three,
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  Speaker 3: Utah by one score. Like that's not a bad loss.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, some call it quality, which is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it is what it is. So the predictive metrics say
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  Speaker 3: 10 and two BYU from ESPN's playoff predictor. If they
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  Speaker 3: don't make the big 12 title game, which they have
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  Speaker 3: to get a bunch of tiebreakers and Texas has to
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  Speaker 3: lose all this stuff, super uncontrollable, 98% chance. I just
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  Speaker 3: feel like BYU can, can sneak in there. Now where
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  Speaker 3: it could get weird is is if they're a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of bid stealers. If Miami does not win the ACC
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  Speaker 3: or Texas Tech wins the Big 12, now there's two
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  Speaker 3: spots that you don't have that you thought you'd have.
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  Speaker 3: That's where it could get weird at the end. But
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  Speaker 3: I'm feeling good about BYU's chances to make the playoff still,
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  Speaker 3: and they have to win the next three, of course.
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  Speaker 2: How hard is that, especially this weekend, against a Baylor
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  Speaker 2: team that appears to be re-energized?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bigger challenge against Baylor than you'd think.
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  Speaker 3: They've lost two games by one point. They let go
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  Speaker 3: of Dave Aranda two weeks ago. They found the offense,
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  Speaker 3: which is ironic because he was kind of the defensive guy.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't the D.C. They were out in Joe Klanderman
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  Speaker 3: from K-State, who was part of that K-State squad that got, like,
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  Speaker 3: punked in the middle eight two years ago in 24.
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  Speaker 3: That was a crazy game. He referenced that yesterday. DJ
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  Speaker 3: Lagwood is playing better. Gavin Freeman is one of the
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  Speaker 3: best slot receivers in the country. Their defense has done
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  Speaker 3: really well. They're second in sacks and tackles for loss,
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  Speaker 3: so the BYU offense line will be challenged. I thought
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  Speaker 3: BYU did a great job in their regard against Utah,
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  Speaker 3: which was crazy. Zero sacks, zero tackles. for loss. It
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  Speaker 3: was obviously the four picks with a big difference. Baylor's good.
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  Speaker 3: They're 6-3. They very well could be 8-1. BYU's got
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  Speaker 3: a challenge in front of them Saturday, but I think
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  Speaker 3: BYU will be up for it. They didn't respond in
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  Speaker 3: the same way after UCF like I thought they would
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  Speaker 3: from last year where they punked TCU by 31, who
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  Speaker 3: was still in the mix, kind of like Baylor right now.
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  Speaker 3: But I expect BYU to win and play well because BYU...
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  Speaker 3: is done with being super injured. They're getting LJ Martin
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  Speaker 3: back a little more. Preston Rex is getting healthier. They
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  Speaker 3: should get Evan Johnson, perhaps Andrew Gentry back in the
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  Speaker 3: next couple weeks, Roger Saliapaga. So I think BYU was
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  Speaker 3: as injured as they will be. They're going to get healthier,
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  Speaker 3: we hope, and I think they'll perform even better.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen crash outs. I've seen people saying he's still
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  Speaker 2: our guy. It's just a bad day. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the right evaluation, by the way, but Bear Bachmeier did
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  Speaker 2: not have his best day this Holy War.
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  Speaker 1: He was great in last year's.
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  Speaker 2: This one, obviously, the four picks end up hurting BYU
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  Speaker 2: pretty significantly. Some of those were great plays by the
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  Speaker 2: University of Utah. There were probably two or three more
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  Speaker 2: that they could have had, which is crazy to think about,
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  Speaker 2: but how do you process Bear's performance in this game,
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  Speaker 2: and what does it mean, if anything, long-term?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there will be too many long-term effects.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was, I think he had a bad
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  Speaker 3: day slash Utah made some plays. Like you said, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not big on like, no, the other team didn't know anything.
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  Speaker 3: We control ourselves. No, no, no. Utah made some good plays.
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  Speaker 3: Bear tried to force a few in there and Utah
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  Speaker 3: made a good play. And like you said, there were
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  Speaker 3: several other, like two or three other turnover worthy plays.
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  Speaker 3: Bear also made some other great plays, but yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: was his worst game as a Cougar by far. He
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  Speaker 3: had never had three picks in the game, let alone four. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when you get on the plus side of
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  Speaker 3: the field several times and you get takeaways, and BYU
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  Speaker 3: had like six drives to make it a two-score game,
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  Speaker 3: and they did not. The door was open. You know,
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  Speaker 3: BYU had stolen momentum. They had multiple opportunities. The defense
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  Speaker 3: gave them takeaways and got stops. And, unfortunately, the BYU
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  Speaker 3: offense did not. keep the pedal down. They did not
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  Speaker 3: get another score, you know, in the second half and
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  Speaker 3: Utah shut up BYU. That was, that was a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think there's going to have long-term ramifications
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  Speaker 3: from this. I think he bounces back. Well, he took
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  Speaker 3: it hard. You know, his teammates were saying he took
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  Speaker 3: it personally and he took it hard. That's because he
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  Speaker 3: cares a lot and he knows he's capable of more.
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  Speaker 3: So I know I saw some show on Twitter. It
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  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, bench bear. That is the dumbest take
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  Speaker 3: I've heard by far. But Bear is a winner, and
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  Speaker 3: he's awesome. And, you know, this is going to be
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  Speaker 3: a great year for BYU again. This dude's going to
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  Speaker 3: be– he might be– if he stays at BYU, he'll
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  Speaker 3: be the winningest quarterback in program history. And that's saying
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  Speaker 3: a lot to how good these quarterbacks have been all
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  Speaker 3: the time.
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  Speaker 1: Is he, what, 19-4 as a starter now or something?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. It's 19 and four, which is crazy. And like,
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  Speaker 3: what's Dan Pina 19 to 22. Like these two dudes
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  Speaker 3: are awesome. Like we're going to look back in five,
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  Speaker 3: 10 years ago, dude, remember how good BYU and Utah
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  Speaker 3: were in 26 and 25 and 27. Like that was
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  Speaker 3: an epic time for these two programs.
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  Speaker 2: Jerem Jordan is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 2: Red and blue brought to you by Murdoch Ford, Santa Quinn.
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  Speaker 2: We check in on things today.
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  Speaker 1: At BYU.
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  Speaker 2: So, um, as the, the big 12 picture kind of
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  Speaker 2: takes shape a little bit more, you've seen this Arizona team,
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  Speaker 2: and this is a scary one for Utah coming off
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  Speaker 2: of a massive win, like the one against BYU, you know,
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  Speaker 2: big sigh of relief, I think for the fan base,
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  Speaker 2: at least team can't process it that way. Uh, and
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  Speaker 2: Arizona's good. And they've got one of the best passing
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  Speaker 2: offenses in the country. What do you, when you say
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  Speaker 2: Utah versus Arizona, what do you think happens? How do
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  Speaker 2: you think it happens?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the question will be, can Utah avoid the emotional letdown?
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  Speaker 3: Because certainly BYU experienced that after Notre Dame and whatnot,
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  Speaker 3: and Utah did a nice job after the Houston game
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  Speaker 3: of going to Cincinnati and winning. But I also wonder
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  Speaker 3: if that was the Cincinnati let down after winning the
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  Speaker 3: source of people against Texas tech. But yeah, Arizona is good.
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  Speaker 3: Texas tech stifled them a pretty good for the most part.
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  Speaker 3: So feed obviously is awesome. You know, they just have
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  Speaker 3: an okay run game this year, but Isaiah Mizzell has
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  Speaker 3: really become a dude. 19, a catch 753, uh, on
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  Speaker 3: the season on the outside. Arizona, their defense last year,
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  Speaker 3: that second there was legit. They had three or four
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  Speaker 3: dudes drafted. They lost those guys. They've not quite been
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  Speaker 3: the same. And they had a halftime lead against BYU.
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  Speaker 3: And then BYU shut them out in the second half,
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  Speaker 3: like Utah did against BYU. And so. On the road,
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  Speaker 3: coming off the emotional win. And if Utah's a danger,
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  Speaker 3: there could be like, hey, we're good. We can afford
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  Speaker 3: a loss. But if you win out, you're top four
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  Speaker 3: seed and get a bye. Now you're actually competing for
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  Speaker 3: the national championship, and then you're on a neutral field.
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  Speaker 3: So stakes are high. It'll be interesting. Certainly for BYU's sake,
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  Speaker 3: in terms of tiebreakers, it's actually better if Arizona wins. uh, loses, uh,
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  Speaker 3: rather than be in the mix, but also do you want, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, certain, certain tiebreakers to go your way in
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  Speaker 3: other ways. So yeah, I'm not, I don't know. I'll
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  Speaker 3: probably become tiebreaker guy here soon, but right now, right
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  Speaker 3: now I don't want to, there's three weeks left. There's
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  Speaker 3: so much to play for. Um, and if you always
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  Speaker 3: take care of business, maybe there'll be in the mix
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  Speaker 3: for the big 12 title game. That would be fun
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  Speaker 3: to rematch Utah, but also if you always wins, they're in,
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  Speaker 3: of course, but if they lose, then are they out?
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  Speaker 3: Are they punished for that? They were last year. So
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  Speaker 3: there's kind of risk there in getting that game, certainly.
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  Speaker 3: And it's the last one, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is the last one. What do you make
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  Speaker 1: of that?
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: The death of conference championship games in an expanded 2014 format.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Of course, we went back and we looked at how
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: many years would Utah have made it in the last
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: 20 if this was the model. And it looks like
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: it's about 13 at least, maybe a couple more, probably not,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: but maybe a couple more. I haven't done that exercise
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: with BYU, but it feels like starting next year, the
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: expectation for both fan bases is that you're a playoff
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: team every year.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Go 9-3 and you're in, right? And I'll probably give
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: BYU one off year out of that where you stumble
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: and you go 8-4 or whatever. But yeah, I think
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: both these programs feel pretty good given the current trajectory,
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: given the investment and the coaching and where they're at
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: so far. it's, it's totally going to be different. I
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: guess in the NFL, if we had had, you know, Hey,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: they play for a division championship or a conference championship
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: prior to the playoffs. It'd be like, who cares? Just
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: getting the playoff. It's, it's already professional without set up.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: And now it's going that way. And so the death
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: of the conference championship games at first, it's like, I
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: really liked that Saturday. It's a big Saturday. It's fun.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: But now that the playoffs 12 and going to 24, yeah,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: it makes sense. And just from a scheduling standpoint, it's
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: going to get weird, you know, The next couple of years,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: it still goes into like the January 22nd and I
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: think 24 or 28, maybe even like, it's just a
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: little too late. We're moving up week zero or sorry,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: week one to where week zero is. They're going to
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: take a, a bi-week to have army Navy and hand
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: out the highs and then the playoff begins. And so
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: there's still going to be a lot of ball. I'm
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: okay with it. I'm, I'm kind of just flowing with
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: it and I think it's going to be fun. No
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: one asked for a 2014 playoff really, but, Here we are,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: and we'll just go with it. I was surprised that
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: we got to this point, though, Sean, without the guarantees
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: of bids. That was the conversation during the summer. It
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: ended up just being four at-large, four auto for the
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: power four, one for the group of six, and then
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: 19 at-large. I think that's how it should be, and
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: I'm happy. And Notre Dame doesn't need some weird exemption
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: for a 2014 playoff.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Is there a spot at BYU for Jason Beck?
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting question. I would think, uh, not like
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: mid year, anything. And I feel like they're pretty short. Well,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I only bring it up cause some people have brought
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: that up and I was like, no, um, perhaps, I
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: don't know. Aaron's the QB coach. And so that spot
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: is kind of occupied already, but, uh, I don't know
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: at some point, perhaps, um, that's a, that's a good question. I,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't rule it out at some point immediately after
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: the season, I would probably be surprised to be honest.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: But Hey, that's the best buyout of any coordinator in America.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: So it does stink. Obviously it's not awesome to get fired,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: but that shout out to Jason Beck's agent. Cause he,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: he did a great deal.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: We we've we're watching this whole soap opera unfold in
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Ann Arbor. And I think there's a certain amount of
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: schadenfreude from Utah fan base that Seeing this, I take
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: no pleasure in watching people lose their jobs and having
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: uprooted their families and all that kind of stuff.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: You know, Coach Beck's a good coach.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Did they uproot their families? Have you seen that whole thing?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. I saw the whole thing, yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I saw Taylor LeJuan crashing out over the fact that
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham's wife might still be here in Salt Lake
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: City instead of, living in an apartment in ann arbor
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: somewhere by herself while her husband is working 100 hours
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: a week but whatever how dare.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Her hang out with the grandkids.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: It's just like yeah how many 60 year old women
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: are are going to be like yeah i'll just go
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: shopping in ann arbor and they do they do live
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: on michigan avenue.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: In salt lake city so there you go there you.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Go But you know, when you, when you're watching this
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: thing unfold, I I'm, I'm not going to pretend I
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: knew this was coming. I'm genuinely shocked that it has
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: been such a poor fit. That has been such a
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: poor season for, I mean, back who obviously got fired
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: before Whittingham and the entire staff for the player personnel
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: that went with them. I'm blown away by this going
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: the way that it has. How do you think about it?
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised too. I thought it was, I thought it
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: was going to work. I thought they'd be eight and
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: four and nine and three, like a good, but not
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: great season to start. And then you kind of build
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: from there, get your, get your kind of claws into things.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: But the fact that the offense has been so putrid
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: has been shocking. Is it Devin Damper's fault? Like if
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Devin Damper goes to Michigan, is it different? Can they
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: run the ball with, you know, if I don't know.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I wonder like the fact that Devin chose to be
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: true to Utah and true to Morgan Scali was, I
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: was genuinely surprised. Like I thought, Oh, why wouldn't you
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: go to mission? You just keep going up, up. You're like,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: that's a vertical thing. You know? I don't know. I
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: think it's almost incredible, and in a bad way, obviously.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I'm interested, like, are Utah fans, like, what's the legacy
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: of Kyle now? Because obviously it got weird. He leaves,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: he gets 12 mil, the whole thing. Because he's the
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: greatest coach ever at Utah, and they should have a
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: statue there. But given the way he went out, probably not. Like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: how is that with Utah fans right now, this whole thing?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I think there's a small contingent that's loving seeing him
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: have to, you know, eat some humble pie because of
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the way that he exited. But I think, you know,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: it's one of these things that the time, time will
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: heal the wounds where five years from now, we'll have
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: that conversation again. Like, is this ever going to be
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: called Kyle Whittingham field at rice echo stadium? Are we
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: going to like, and honestly, in my opinion, there's a
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: way that he could handle whenever he's done at Michigan,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: you know, and, maybe like mend some fences. I don't
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: see him as ever having any interest in doing that.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Cause not because he, he doesn't want his legacy to
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: be remembered positively, but I just don't think he's that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: type of guy. Who's going to be like, yeah, let
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: me come back and like do a bunch of Utah
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: media or take a position in the athletic department or
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: whatever else. I think that he was okay with, you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: living with the consequences of a few burned bridges. That's
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I have no special insight to that, but it just
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: strikes me as, you know, 20 plus years of interacting
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: with him. I just think he's, he's wired so differently
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: than a lot of regular people that he's probably looking
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: at it and being like, well.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Dang, that's too bad.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I'll take my $ 45 million that I earned this year
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: from a couple of buyouts and I'll go build a
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: house on Maui.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And, uh, you know, he's, he's kind of earned
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: a certain amount of that. So yeah, it's going to
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: be interesting to see how this goes, but my, Man,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: it's not going great. I would say it's super likely
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: they're going to move on from him after one year,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: which is crazy. It's absolutely crazy.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Does the inevitable carousel spin that– I mean, it's already
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: started in college football. Does it touch Utah or BYU
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: this year? I mean, Colton Swan is showing his worth,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and I think K-Pop is as well.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Is it one of those things where
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Kalani gets more phone calls?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the question, right? USC seems to have had
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: a resurgence. That's kind of been the big rumor. It's like, hey,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: if SC gets rid of Lincoln Riley, then You know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: they might want Kalani, and what does that look like?
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: And obviously there was drama in the offseason and so
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: on and so forth. So, yeah, I wonder. I think
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Kalani's getting calls every year, you know, because of BYU's success.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: And just checking in, because Kalani's agent is a national guy.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: He's not like a local guy. So the agent has
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: no vested interest in BYU per se. He wants, you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: the best for Kalani and the most bonus kind of
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: cut he can get. So we'll see how that goes.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I do wonder if Jay Hill will be– I have
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: an opportunity somewhere as well. Would he want to kind
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: of stick around, see if he can be the next guy,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: maybe if, and when that happens, you know, what is
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: the Baylor opening look like? Do they keep Klanderman? Do
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: they try and bring over Lincoln Riley? If he's let
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: go by USC, like inevitably it will like, there will
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: be like a wind rush by Utah and BYU in
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: some manner. It's just whether someone gets plucked.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Is Gary Anderson. He's like, he's like the wizard of
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Oz down there at BYU.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: We don't talk about him.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Is he in any of these conversations? Does he want
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to be like a named and faced coach ever again?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Or is he just loving that anonymity?
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I think if he had wanted that, he would have
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: been the DC at BYU after Jay. But my sense is,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: and the conversation I've had, is that he is super
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: happy being an analyst behind the scenes. He can be
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: a little more low-key. He doesn't have to go out
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: and recruit in the same way, kind of be home
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: a little more. Yet, he can still influence the day-to-day
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: coaching of the guys and the influence on Kelly Topanga, who,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: to me, has been awesome. I think he's done a
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: great job. He's filled in really well. So, yeah, I
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: don't think Gary wants that. I think he's pretty comfortable
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: kind of where he's at right now. And, frankly, I
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: was super surprised. He didn't go to Michigan in the offseason.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: When he stayed, I thought that was one of the
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: gets of the offseason for BYU.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: We'll see how it all works out. What's the final
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: score for BYU-Baylor?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Give me BYU actually getting a three-score win here. It's
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: been a minute. Give me 38-17, Brigham. All right.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess we'll keep our fingers crossed for that
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: question mark.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: All right. Utah two tonight for sure. Right. And then
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping the only drops to like 11 or 12.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: That's then they're in range. Still, if they go to
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: like 14, now I'd be concerned. Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: We'll have to see how it plays out tonight with
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the college football playoff rankings being announced.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Jeremy, the man always appreciate your time, my friend.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Congratulations. I look forward to the, the, the game next
• 26:00
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