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Ep. 69 : 2024 Bowman Draft Release · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to a very nice episode sixty
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  Speaker 1: nine of Cards and Categories. I'm Mike cool Ard from Rasball,
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  Speaker 1: joined as always by my good friend Jeremy Burr, also
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  Speaker 1: from ras Ball. It's a Tuesday. It feels a little
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  Speaker 1: weird that we're recording today. But how are you feeling?
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  Speaker 2: I am feeling so good. You can defer my pay
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  Speaker 2: uh for the next five years and pay increments of
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  Speaker 2: five dollars each once we get there. Me and Blake
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  Speaker 2: Snell are gonna be on the same payment plan and
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go play for the Dodgers. So I'm just
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  Speaker 2: fantastic excited.
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  Speaker 1: To be here. Yeah, okay, that's I didn't that's how
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna announce the signing. You're not gonna use your
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  Speaker 1: Instagram like big, I'm not. I'm not gonna use my
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  Speaker 1: first Instagram post. It's very I just fought it the
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  Speaker 1: other day. My wife's been sending me on Instagram reels
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  Speaker 1: for about a year and I.
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  Speaker 2: Did not know it. I had a lot of catch
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  Speaker 2: it up to do, and apparently I've been really ignoring her.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I will let you figure out how you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: memend that portion of your relationship while I get into
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a preview of what we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be talking about here. We have a great episode lined
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  Speaker 1: up to talk about the release of twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 1: Bowman Draft. It's been a couple of weeks since we've talked.
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  Speaker 1: We took a couple of weeks off for just travels
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  Speaker 1: and Thanksgiving and felt a little bit It felt nice
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  Speaker 1: to get a little bit of a break, But we
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  Speaker 1: certainly did miss a lot of news since we've last talked.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, we're recording on a Tuesday and stuff
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  Speaker 1: or a normal Wednesday. It is December third, So let's
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  Speaker 1: get into a little bit of like what we've missed
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  Speaker 1: since we last talked. We've missed out on the qualifying
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  Speaker 1: offer deadline happening in terms of teams that sent out
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  Speaker 1: the qualifying offer, whether or not that player wanted to
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  Speaker 1: come back. Nick Martinez was the only one that up
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  Speaker 1: to that. So there's another handful of players that obviously
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  Speaker 1: have that qualifying of offer attached to them now that
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  Speaker 1: they've signed or are going to be out in the
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  Speaker 1: market signing. We had the non tender deadline, we had
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  Speaker 1: the forty man roster deadline, to be able to be
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  Speaker 1: added so that you could avoid the Rule five draft.
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  Speaker 1: We had all the major awards announcements in terms of honestly,
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  Speaker 1: it was pretty boring between MVP and Cy Young and
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  Speaker 1: maybe the only wrinkle SAI was a Rookie of the
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  Speaker 1: Year with Paul Skeens pulling it out over Jackson Merrill
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  Speaker 1: and Louise Heal taking it home for the Yankees. But
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  Speaker 1: we've also had the Rays announcing that they're playing all
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  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five at Steinburnner Field, and we've had
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  Speaker 1: the latest bit of news coming through from Paul Manfred
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  Speaker 1: on the Golden Hitter rule that has just been lighting
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  Speaker 1: social media fire on fire. We've also, I think kind
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  Speaker 1: of missed everybody's on Blue Sky.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Twitter's pretty dead for us, so I think we've both
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  Speaker 1: converted over to blue Sky. Fully, you can find us
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  Speaker 1: there at cards categories, dot blue Sky, dot social or
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is. I'm just gonna use the normal front
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  Speaker 1: part of that handle, so at cards categories there for
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, at m cool seven for my handle, and
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  Speaker 1: at jbrew one to seven. Correct, you got it for
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  Speaker 1: your handle on Blue Sky, So go over there and
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  Speaker 1: find us. I just rattled off what two, four, six
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  Speaker 1: topics of like huge multi minute you know, outbursts. We
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  Speaker 1: could go over, but any of those kind of news
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  Speaker 1: items really pop out to you and something you've been
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  Speaker 1: itching to say for a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean any of these in a normal week
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  Speaker 2: we've spent time diving into. I'll just call out a few,
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  Speaker 2: like the qualifying offers. I don't think there's any big
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  Speaker 2: shocks there. There was a Nick bound to accept what
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  Speaker 2: was Pabeta or Martinez. We weren't sure, but Nick did
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  Speaker 2: accept Martinez, that is, and I don't think there's be
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  Speaker 2: any big shocks there. Honestly, I don't think there's big
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  Speaker 2: shocks in the major awards or anything like that. The
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  Speaker 2: area I think all was actually the most interesting was
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  Speaker 2: actually on the non tender side. And you know, non
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  Speaker 2: tenders is just such a unique thing because you're you're
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  Speaker 2: non tendering and to get away from the potential ARB salary,
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  Speaker 2: and so you have a vast array of players in
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  Speaker 2: a vast array of scenarios, and so I just I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to call out a few guys and get your
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  Speaker 2: reaction to, like, which of these guys from a fantasy
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  Speaker 2: perspective intrigues you the most kind of going into twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five, whether it's where they land the role whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm gonna I'm gonna list five guys for
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  Speaker 2: you here, Okay, Jordan Romero or Jordan Romero, Romano, Kyle
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Finnigan. Oh, I'm losing. I lost my list here,
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  Speaker 2: Austin Hayes, the the immaculate, Connor Joe. Yes, yes, because
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  Speaker 2: just because Connor Joe, you always have to talk about
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  Speaker 2: Connor Joe and then Ramon Leiano. So giving you a
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  Speaker 2: few pictures, few hitters there that are just in very
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  Speaker 2: different scenarios. Let's maybelet's start with the pitchers first. I'm
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  Speaker 2: curious with those two Romano and finn again, what should
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  Speaker 2: we look for? Are they interesting? Are they worth even
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  Speaker 2: touching for twenty five?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Romano is, honestly because just because of
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  Speaker 1: the injuries he dealt with that it felt like on
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  Speaker 1: this podcast every couple of weeks we were giving updates
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  Speaker 1: on his back than his elbow, then his back than
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  Speaker 1: his elbow that I'm just not quite sure what Romano's
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  Speaker 1: state of health is right now. Also showing their cards
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  Speaker 1: Toronto doesn't. I mean, I guess Chad Green is there,
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  Speaker 1: so Chad Green will take over, but not exactly like
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  Speaker 1: a stallwart closer behind Romano. So I think I have
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  Speaker 1: to go with Finnegan there that like, it's still better
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  Speaker 1: stuff overall. And even though he has the mark on
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  Speaker 1: his record of being like the first person to walk
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  Speaker 1: in a game winning run on a on a pitch
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  Speaker 1: clock violation, if you remember that in Colorado, Finnigins would
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  Speaker 1: have been one of the worst people with the pitchclock violations.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just been better stuff over twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: he's posted more. I think that there are a few
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  Speaker 1: more fluid situations from a closer perspective where you could
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  Speaker 1: see Finnegans signing and walking into something all the way
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  Speaker 1: up from like the Yankees on the high end all
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  Speaker 1: the way down to some lower end team like the
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  Speaker 1: Marlins or something. So there's some despair. Luke Weaver like that.
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  Speaker 1: Don't despairg lukeav I wish he is a ground ball
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  Speaker 1: man and if you need to strike out, Kyle Finnigan's
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  Speaker 1: gonna I think be a better source on the batting side, though,
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  Speaker 1: the one that immediately popped out, assuming you know all
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  Speaker 1: else Equel. You know, nobody's signing in Colorado and somebody
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  Speaker 1: else's signing in Seattle or something. It's got to be
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  Speaker 1: Ramon Loreano for me. His his second half with the
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  Speaker 1: Braves was really sneaky. You know, two or twenty six
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  Speaker 1: played appearances with the Braves. He put up a two
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  Speaker 1: ninety six three twenty seven, five or five slash line
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  Speaker 1: that was a one twenty nine WRC plus five steals
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  Speaker 1: with the homer. So the power wasn't quite there, but
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  Speaker 1: like the batting average and the speed was starting to
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  Speaker 1: come back from Loriano as he found like a groove
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  Speaker 1: in that Atlanta outfield. I was a little surprised he
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  Speaker 1: got non tendered given the state of the Braves outfield.
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  Speaker 1: So that's got to be my pick. He just kind
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  Speaker 1: of showed more down the stretch than he had in
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland or has the past couple of years in Oakland.
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  Speaker 1: You're also looking Lorehan is only thirty years old, should
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  Speaker 1: be a solid outfielder. He's going to get a good chance,
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  Speaker 1: I think to start and play a lot somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right there. I do have a
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  Speaker 2: soft spot for Austin Hayes. I think he's he's a
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  Speaker 2: talent that's just never gotten the development he deserves. But
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  Speaker 2: I think Loriano, like I've always loved the multifacets to
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  Speaker 2: his game. He can run, he can hit for power,
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  Speaker 2: he can feel, he can do a little bit of everything,
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  Speaker 2: and that in the fantasy game just as a nice
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  Speaker 2: little floor. It's never gonna be a high average guy.
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  Speaker 2: But there's like worse things you can do towards the
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  Speaker 2: back end of a draft to become a guy like Lariato,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, just enjoy a ten, ten, fifteen to
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  Speaker 2: fifteen type season with a two forty average, Like, there's
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  Speaker 2: worse things in life than Rumo Lariato.
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  Speaker 1: You pretty much just nailed his Steamer line without probably,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I'm your.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not looking at it very much. I am Steamer,
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean Steamer also has that and only three hundred
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  Speaker 1: and eighty four plate appearances is twelve and nine, So
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  Speaker 1: like you might be looking at somebody who's like a
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  Speaker 1: sneaky shot at twenty twenty depending on where.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah means he in a good year with full playing time,
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  Speaker 2: he absolutely could threaten twenty twenty. It's not out of
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  Speaker 2: the question.
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  Speaker 1: At all.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like one of those you get a little
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  Speaker 2: luck and it'll go far for a guy like him.
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  Speaker 2: So and the problem is you just never can play
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  Speaker 2: a full season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I mean he was healthy last year.
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  Speaker 1: It's just getting that opportunity now at this point for
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  Speaker 1: his career is finding the right spot for Rome Loriano.
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  Speaker 1: But you skipped right over the Manfred golden hitter rule
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  Speaker 1: that I teach you up for. But I do want
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  Speaker 1: to get your thoughts because everybody else is getting their
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  Speaker 1: thoughts in This is our platform, so let me, I
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  Speaker 1: guess I'll explain it a little bit. And you can
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  Speaker 1: also find the details of this in our show notes,
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  Speaker 1: along with anything else that we're gonna be talking about.
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  Speaker 1: If you want the link to the related news story
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  Speaker 1: or when we get to chalking the baseball cards, go
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  Speaker 1: to rasball dot com check out the related post for
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  Speaker 1: this podcast look at those cards that we've been talking about.
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  Speaker 1: But Rob Manfred, I think it was it literally just today,
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  Speaker 1: Like it feels like a fever dream, But I think
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  Speaker 1: it was Or was it yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: It was, yes, it was yesterday. It was late yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good good Monday fodder for the just Blue sky sphere.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna do, the blue sky
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  Speaker 1: of all the skating of everybody out there to be
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  Speaker 1: able to get in their thoughts on Manfred was pitching
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  Speaker 1: a rule where you could have one time per game
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  Speaker 1: the ability to pinch hit anybody into that at bat
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  Speaker 1: and into that moment. So, for example, let's say that,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, you're in the bottom of the eighth,
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  Speaker 1: you got the seven to old hitter up for the Dodgers,
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  Speaker 1: bases are loaded. It's it's a pretty big spot. Even
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  Speaker 1: though Otani might be your leadoff hitter, you can bring
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  Speaker 1: him in, put him into that pinch hit spot. I
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: guess what happens if he's the next person up, But
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  Speaker 1: like we'll get into I guess maybe you can pinch
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  Speaker 1: run and stuff. But like, essentially you can pick anybody
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  Speaker 1: in your lineup or on your bench to come in
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  Speaker 1: take a pinch hit. He calls it the golden rule.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about this setup and whether or
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  Speaker 1: not you think that Manfred has lost his marbles over this.
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  Speaker 2: I go back to when we started talking about the
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  Speaker 2: DH the Nation League, and I I had this like
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  Speaker 2: I felt like a vera broke out in hives like
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  Speaker 2: this is like a hundred times worse, Like how dumb
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  Speaker 2: is this possible? Rule not let alone the like literal
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  Speaker 2: mechanics of it. Yeah, of like Otani is up, he singles,
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  Speaker 2: let's try it again, Let's bring it back. Like it's
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  Speaker 2: just there's so much that could go wrong and with
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  Speaker 2: this and also just the and I'm sure this has
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  Speaker 2: been all over the Twitter sphere, the Blue sky sphere, everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the antithesis of baseball is the seven hole
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  Speaker 2: hitter being up in that spot and becoming the hero
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  Speaker 2: and making that play. It's that the best hitters in
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  Speaker 2: the world fail seventy percent of the time, and you're
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  Speaker 2: you're relying on let's go to the Dodgers Tommy Edmond
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  Speaker 2: and he is just making a name for himself on
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  Speaker 2: the big stage. And it's a chance for that to occur.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, you just go back in history and
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: look at some of the biggest moments that we've had
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  Speaker 2: in ballgames, and it's the names. You know, Bucky dev
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  Speaker 2: like that would have never happened, right, kirk Kinson, that
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  Speaker 2: would have happened. But like you can go back, it's
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  Speaker 2: like these these names and these players that that there
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  Speaker 2: was kind of these one time gyms just wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: part of the conversation. And that's just so disappointing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I like to say this because of a baseball purist.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a baseball purist thing. This is
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  Speaker 2: just like you are changing so much about the game
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  Speaker 2: that like every stats called into question, like it's I
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  Speaker 2: actually do worry about injuries as far as you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're putting a little bit more stress on a player
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  Speaker 2: in the situation. Now you've just messed with all the
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  Speaker 2: pitching matchups, Like it just you've just completely changed the
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  Speaker 2: strategy dynamic of how you create and play in a team.
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  Speaker 2: It's like if every team had tear and score as
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  Speaker 2: a pinch runner all the time. It's like having Aaron
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  Speaker 2: Judge on the bench for every important bat. Like I,
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  Speaker 2: this is ridiculous. I just can't say it enough. It
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  Speaker 2: it can't happen, It will not happen. This to me
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  Speaker 2: reeks of like Manfred being smart enough to be like
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  Speaker 2: baseball's not in the news right now because Sodo hasn't signed.
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  Speaker 2: Let me come up with something so idiotic that they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna talk about it for the next week and then
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  Speaker 2: SODA's gonna sign and we'll be back in the news again.
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  Speaker 2: Like it almost reeks of that more than the stands
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  Speaker 2: that they'd ever actually consider something like this. Ever, we
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  Speaker 2: get paid an extra one hundred grand for every bat
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  Speaker 2: Like all right, I'm done, I'm done. You poke, you
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  Speaker 2: poked the bear on this one.
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  Speaker 1: Yes I did, and I mean on top of it too,
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  Speaker 1: Like we do have the winter meetings coming up. I
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  Speaker 1: do wonder if it is like a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: like a corporate initiative that everybody has a good talking
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  Speaker 1: point so you can ice break when you get out
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  Speaker 1: there to the meetings and when you're in these awkward
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  Speaker 1: networking you know, drinking situations with every buddy and their
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  Speaker 1: performance polos that you know, we can talk about the
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  Speaker 1: Golden rule and how stupid it is, because it does
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  Speaker 1: feel something like something just a foot too far that like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't see how it speeds up the game. If anything,
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  Speaker 1: it slows down the game, which I could get behind
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  Speaker 1: for a lot of the other initiatives that come through.
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  Speaker 1: But then, like you said, you have to then consider
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  Speaker 1: all of the stats readjustments. Maybe eighty percent of the
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  Speaker 1: time this player would get walked, like why would you
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  Speaker 1: not just intentionally walk them immediately? And then yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: just there is something you nailed it about the everyman
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  Speaker 1: in baseball. Every person, I guess I should say it
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  Speaker 1: could doesn't have to necessarily be a man, but that
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  Speaker 1: everyday person who looks like David Eckstein and gets up
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  Speaker 1: there and just like has a huge moment in sports.
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  Speaker 1: That there's something about baseball that allows that that basketball doesn't,
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  Speaker 1: Football doesn't just because those sports, I mean baseball obviously,
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  Speaker 1: it requires a level of athleticism and a level of
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  Speaker 1: just like large persons that, like you, most baseball players
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  Speaker 1: are not normal sized people because they you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: what athletes are nowadays. But of any of those sports,
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  Speaker 1: baseball is probably the closest, and so some of its
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: greatest moments come from that that. Sure we do love
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  Speaker 1: the fifty to fifty home run from Otani and things
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  Speaker 1: like that, but the greatest moments that I can think
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  Speaker 1: of are like the David Freeze triple and like you
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  Speaker 1: allude to, Bucky Dent, Aaron Boone, just like all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of just players who the situation met them and then
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  Speaker 1: they had to rise to it. That that's the entire
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  Speaker 1: point in baseball, and it would really, I think, alter
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  Speaker 1: the soul of the sport if we went away from that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely agree. I think that's what is so
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  Speaker 2: difficult to hear, like would this actually be something that
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  Speaker 2: people get into? And what I can't understand is like,
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  Speaker 2: what's the what's the push behind it? I get all
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  Speaker 2: the other things that accelerated the game and parody and
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  Speaker 2: reducing injuries and things like this. The only thing that's
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  Speaker 2: been played for this is it's more exciting. You get
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  Speaker 2: to see the best players more often, but like it
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  Speaker 2: it to your point, it just takes away something almost better. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Like I paid to go see Otani. I've watched their
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  Speaker 2: Tani bat five times, but I get to see somebody
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  Speaker 2: else come out of nowhere and make that clutch hit
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  Speaker 2: that you didn't expect, we didn't expect. It's the world's
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  Speaker 2: best closer versus the guy that just got called up
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  Speaker 2: from Triple A and he wins Like there's something about
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  Speaker 2: that that we we just can't can't give away.
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  Speaker 1: So well, I'm glad we're on the same page. That
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  Speaker 1: would have been a really bad moment in podcast history
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  Speaker 1: if we were not on the same page here that
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  Speaker 1: it might have actually caused a pretty big fracture. So
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  Speaker 1: if you are out there in your pro Golden Rule
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  Speaker 1: and you're listening to this podcast, I would be interested
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  Speaker 1: in here, like what maybe we're listening we're missing because
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  Speaker 1: I'm yet to maybe see a pro Golden Rule take.
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  Speaker 1: But there's got to be some controllon out there somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: and so hit us up on those Blue Sky socials.
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  Speaker 1: Email us at cardscategories at gmail dot com. We will
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  Speaker 1: we will take that into consideration. But while we wait
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  Speaker 1: for those responses back, let's get into some of the
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  Speaker 1: news and notes. And it's a pretty lengthy list that
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: we've got. Not even all this stuff kind of happened
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  Speaker 1: over the two weeks that we were out that we've
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  Speaker 1: got a few things that were but most of these
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  Speaker 1: things have happened recently, so let's get to them. The
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  Speaker 1: big one that we have right off the top is
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: you almost alluded to this, you know a little bit
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: of your Your intro was Blake Snell's signing a five
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: year deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers. That's one hundred
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and eighty two million dollars guaranteed, but it comes with
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: sixty five million dollars in deferrals and a fifty two
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: million dollars signing bonus, limited no trade protection, and all
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: sorts of other provisions. This will cover blake Snell's thirty
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: two through thirty six seasons. And this is quite the
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: windfall for the Dodgers, who had lots of pitching. Like
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: it wasn't that they were short on pitching, maybe short
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: on healthy pitching. But Blake Snell's coming off a really
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: brilliant stretch from the beginning of July on after he
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: returned from the hip injury that kind of almost seemed
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: like he just wasn't in shape because he signed late
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: last year and didn't get like a full spring training
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: at all, you know, signed in March. But since he's
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: came back on July ninth against Toronto in San Francisco.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: From that point on, he threw eighty and a third innings,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: went five to zero with a one twenty three ERA
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fourteen k's. That's good for a twelve
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: seventy seven K nine. And the walk rate was good
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: too for Blake Snell, which is usually not the case.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: It was a three point for walk per nine and
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: he had a thrown in there too, So it was
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: a really brilliant stretch, very obvious that Blake Snell was
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: going to opt out of that contract with the Giants
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: to hit the open market, because I'm not sure we've
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: ever seen a better version of Blake Snell than the
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: one that we got over those last fourteen starts over
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: eighteen and third innings. With that in mind, where are
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you putting him in your pitching rinks going into next
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: year for fantasy drafts?
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think Blake Snell is probably one
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: of the most divisive pitchers there is for ranking and
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: pitching because you saw the tail of two different pitchers
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: last year, and that's historically been his career, Like he
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: has just been this up and down guy, absolutely dominant times.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: So then it can just be a little bit so wild.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: You don't know what's gonna happen. And he is gonna
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: be on the Dodgers, so you feel good about the
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: win potential, the run support, generally decent defense, so I
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: think you have to be tossing him up definitely, definitely
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: top ten, and it's just a question of how far
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: up that list that you want to go. I'd probably
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: say the latter half of the top ten is where
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: I would be putting Blake Snell at this point. But
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I also would not be shocked for him to be
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: the number one pitcher. Like I just I think there
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: is a little bit more volatility with Blake Snell, just
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: based on his profile, a little bit more flyball pitcher,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: a little bit more walk prone, like he is susceptible
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: to those blow ups, and he if like something's off
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: with Blake Snell, it's way off. He can't gut through
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: it with that with that profile. But at the end
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: of the day, he's still a top ten pitcher for me.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: And for two things I think you did miss here.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: One Tommy Edmond actually signed with the Dodgers, the most
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: recent transaction with the Dodgers for the five year deal.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I mean that's an extension, so not quite as big
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: as a talking point for as But yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: But what I think is interesting, you know you kind
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: of you know, you mentioned all the deferrals there, and
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I think this is just such an interesting dynamics the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Dodgers like have I don't sure they think they found
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: a loop or they've just literally punted the next like
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: ten years or what they're doing. But I was looking
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: out at roster resource and just looking out as far
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: as it goes. Twenty thirty one is how far it
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: goes out right near right now? What is their their
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: salary payments currently one for twenty thirty one, just just
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: take a guess that is.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I did see the reports that ESPN and some other
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: outlets had added up the deferred money that the Dodgers
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: are up to right now with this roster is over
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a billion in total, but for twenty thirty one, so
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: you'll have Otani Freeman Snow, that's I'm guessing they've already
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: got like seventy five million on the books in twenty
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: thirty one.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: In twenty thirty one, the Dodgers would qualify as today's
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: number sixteen team in payroll with one hundred and forty
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: eight million dollars. They're paying Otani seventy million, Yeah at
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: that point, and so that's like Otani ya, I'm amoto
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: bets dis in there to Edmunds deal in twenty thirty
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: That's why, Yes, that's why I went to thirty one,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: because if we go up any further, like in twenty
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: twenty nine, it's two hundred million, like they I mean,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: it's like is it a house of cards like that
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: you almost think it is, but yeah, they keep finding
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: this money and so like, yeah, it's one of those
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Bobby Benia's uh, you know, best best dream here. But
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I just I just it's such an interesting dynamic of
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: like the Dodgers have found all this money and it's
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: just paying for itself because they're being competitive. People are
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: going to the games, they're getting better TV deals, all
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: this thing and just keeps building on itself. And I
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: don't see them stopping. Like if on signed Wanosto, I'd
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: be a little surprised because they've shelled out this money
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: for Edmund and in the Snell, but I wouldn't be shocked,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: and I would just expect it to be another massive
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: deal kind of like Otani's where they just you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: spread it over fifteen years and you know they're like, well, sorry,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: we'll be paying Otani in twenty thirty seven, or sorry
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Soto in twenty thirty seven, and well beyond, oh well
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I'll retire before then.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew Friedman, I mean I have seen some like
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: fretting over whether or not it's like sustainable for the Dodgers,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: but I do think that there's some sort of back
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: end finance stuff happening with Googa nine partners and the
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: private equity kind of realm where they're tucking away some
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of this money and like haven't invested and already have
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: it hedged that Like, I'm not sure that there's gonna
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: be much of a worry here. It's not quite like
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the the Fred Wilpond kind of like Mets years, where
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: things like really exploded and he wasn't like financially solvent
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: enough to be able to handle it all. The way
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that the Dodgers and the Guggenheim Partners run that thing.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I think that all these things are accounted for that
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: between like valuation of the team going up that they
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: can borrow against them being able to tuck away money
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and invest it in different areas and have that yield dividends.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I think that the Dodgers are going to be fine.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: That it seems like it's a pretty slick run organization
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: in operation that like at this point, I think we're
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: going to be talking in a few years, like when
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: even you know, in twenty thirty one, the Dodgers have
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that one hundred and fifty million dollar payroll, like what
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: will the rest of m will be look like? Because
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers are clearly pushing themselves to a level where
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: no one else wants to keep pace with them. I
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: think the Mets are starting to get there. The Yankees
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: could be there, but like the wherewithal to actually do
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: it is only happening in La.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: It is and you know, you know, they got every
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: player insured and all these different things, like they are
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: very very well run, and it is kind of like
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: they found that cheat code of like we are banking
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: on inflation in hay roll and salaries, and that seventy
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: million for Otani in twenty thirty one, we're not worried
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: about it because that's fifty million now where it's forty
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: million now, right, which is just that bonkers that dollar.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: But that they have leaned into that strategy and there's
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: no looking back at this point.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. All Right, Well, we've got another signing
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: in California that's happened, another left hander, and that is
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: our boy, yuse Kakuchi signing with the Los Angeles Angels.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And he's coming off of really like a Jeckyll and
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: High type of year. Between in Toronto, he put up
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: a four seventy five ERA overall one one hundred and
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: fifteen and two thirds innings, but they did come with
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: a three sixty six fifth, so he certainly was not
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: getting helped by his defense in Toronto. Got traded at
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the deadline to the Houston Astros and was on fire
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: for them down to stretch. In ten starts with the Astros,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: went five to one with a two seventy ERA over
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: sixty innings pitched. And I mean, I think this is
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: a pretty straightforward question about Kokuchi going to the Angels.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Which Kakuchi do you think shows up there in Los Angeles?
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Is it more of that Toronto one that we saw
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season or is it the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: one that we saw with the Astros that looked like
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: a front end starter.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: This this, this one is tough. Like there are two
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: clear dynamics pulling in opposite directions with this. One. One
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: is the Angels and their ability to do anything logical
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: with development and pitching. The other is Kakuchi made a
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: significant change in his approach with Houston and he you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: he dropped the cutter, he moved the slider, and it
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: worked for him. It absolutely worked for him, and with
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: that drastic of a change. It wasn't just a slight change.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: It was a stick change. You know that he figured
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: they he figured that out, The Astros figured that out.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: The Angels aren't completely buried in the sand, and they
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: know that happened too. So I'm gonna I'm gonna say
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: is gonna hold. I'm gonna call it eighty percent of
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the value that he had in Houston. There's gonna be
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be some regression there because I just can't
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: fully get past the angels pitching development. And I think
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: players are gonna adjust the kind of Kokuchi's arsenal adjustment.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: But if you find pitches at work, you stick with them.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: And we've seen this before with guys like Charlie Morton
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and other guys like that that made a pitch mixed change,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: and then when they went to do the team, they
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: just stuck with it and they were phenomenal. And actually
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Morton better comp than I realized was with Houston. He
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: did that and then he left and kept it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: So that's a that's a really good point. I didn't
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: thought about that in terms of like that type of
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: switch seeing it historically that like, yeah, I was going
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: to take the easy route too and say that it's
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: probably somewhere in between of like Houston and Toronto. What
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Kakuchi put up last year, which essentially was his twenty
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: twenty three with like a mid Threezra. I think the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: one thing that I'm going to be interested to see
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: what Kukukuji can do with the Angels is that whip.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Like if there's anything where he's always kind of held
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you back from a fantasy perspective, it's been in the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: whip in like something that I've tried to overlook it
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: with my love for him over the years, but it's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: also really tough because it does grind on you pretty quickly,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: given how many innings he's pitched, and you know, he's
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: walking in with a career one thirty four whip over
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: an eight hundred and nine and two thirds innings. So
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you're looking at somebody who's put down a lot of
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: work of just high whip, and you're trying to hope
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: that some of the things that he learned in Houston
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: stick in terms of being the zone more often, maybe
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: getting trusting his defense a little bit more, because he
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: probably fell out of that habit in Toronto that just
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: had a tough defense behind him. You know, when you
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: have flat Grayo Junior at third base behind you.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll see what you see.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right. Next move that we have is a trade.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: This someone had been kind of rumored for a while,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: so it feels like it happened a long time ago,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: but was only executed just over a week ago, I guess.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: And so that is Jonathan India and Brady's singer were
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: swapped between Cincinnati and Kansas City. Pretty much straight up.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: There was Joey Weimer was also in this trade too,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: who Honestly, I don't know if I could have told
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you he was in the Cincinnati system. I missed that move.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: But India will move over to Kansas City, singer over
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to Cincinnati, and honestly, I'm having trouble finding any kind
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: of like great things for either player here because India's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: moving to a park that is a significant downgrade from Cincinnati.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: We've talked on here about how Kansas City actually plays
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: a little more hitter friendly than it's known for. But
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the problem is, like those home runs that India provided
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: are gonna absolutely dry up. He's not necessarily like a
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: barrel rate or exit velocity monster that he got all
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: of his home runs mostly on the generosity of Great
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: American Ballpark, and so going to Kaufman, where it is
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: a tougher home run park, is going to make it
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: difficult for him, but might see it a boost in
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: his average. He's a career two fifty three hitter. On
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the other side, you have Singer moving from a decent
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: park for pitching, even though it is a hitter's park,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: but just because it like contained the home runs. And
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Singer does have issues I think allowing harder contact and
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: has throughout his career and is now going to Great
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: American Ballpark in Cincinnati. So am I being too negative
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: here with these players? Are or are there good traits
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: that you see in either of them that could kind
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of shine through with their new teams.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I want to disagree with you, I really do, because
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: it makes the podcast better. But this is this is
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: one of those when it makes so much sense for
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: the real world teams what they're doing. You know, India
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: has been on his way out of Cincinnati for like
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: a year and a half, and you know Singer like
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: he's kind of fond with resurgence and he's kind of
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: found his way, and the Reds need pitching and the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Royals need hitting. It just makes so much sense. But
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: from a fantasy perspective, there couldn't be probably a worse
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: move for both players. Like it just doesn't make any sense,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: and it's gonna you know, you you don't really want
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: to touch a brief singer in Cincinnati, great American ballpark.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: It's just it's scary. I was already a little leery
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: of him in Kansas City. But you just hope that,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: you know, you could run and Barrett whereas you know India, like, yeah,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: he can set the table and maybe get some more bats,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: but like the pop is gonna drop, and we already
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I think we're fading India to a degree, So both
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: of these guys get a downgrade. I'm probably not touching
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Singer at all in drafts. India is probably looking at
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: kind of a you know, corner middle infield type scenario,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: maybe utility. Like you're just not investing in probably in
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: any of these guys for twenty twenty five.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: No, I'm impressed that you were able to keep going
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: after you dropped the line of podcast history. The pop
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: is going to drop.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I've been preparing for this for a long time.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Sure roster resource currently has Jonathan India slated as the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: DH in the leadoff slot for the Royals. Do you
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: like What do you think about that?
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I Actually, I'm not surprised because he is decent from
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: an on base perspective, and he can kind of work
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: counts and things like that, So I think that is
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: kind of what they're expecting for him. To try to
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: get him a little bit more on base presence and
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I can get a little bit more out of Wit
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: is probably the strategy there. So I think they do
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: view him at the top of the order bat. I
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: don't know if I one hundred percent do, but hey,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: they are, they're looking for hitting, so I would be
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: shocked to see them give them Alisa a run at
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the top of the order.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean I think that's something to keep
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: our eye on, especially as we get into draft season.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be interested in India in terms of
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: like a really back end second base or am I option,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: just because Yeah, if he's going to hit in front
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: of Bobby Witt Junior and Past Squatch and Salvi Perez,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: that's a pretty nice lineup behind him that you're looking
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: at probably some sneaky runs, especially given those OBP skills
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: that we've seen from Jonathan India in the past. Okay, well,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: we've got a couple of more signings that these just
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: went down the past couple of days, so they are
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: very fresh and hot off the press. The first one
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: we have is the New York Mets signing Frankie Montas
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: to a two year deal for seventeen mil a year.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And so Frankie Mantas is coming off of what was
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: a pretty difficult year honestly overall four eighty four era,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: but it was a five oh one when he was
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: with Cincinnati for his first nineteen starts, and then when
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: he was traded to Milwaukee, he was able to shave
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: half a run off of that down to four fifty five.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: But the nice thing is that you saw the strikeouts
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: really bump up when he moved over to Milwaukee. It
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: was only seven and a half k per nine when
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: he was in Cincinnati. Milwaukee made a little bit of
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: a tweak to that arsenal and he was able to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: increase the k rate to eleven k per nine, So
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: that kind of put him back in territory of what
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: we had been seeing from Frankie Montas back in like
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one with the Oakland A's when he finished
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: sixth in the sy Young That feels like a fever
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: dream back then. But this maybe you need to talk
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: me down on this a little bit, because I'm really
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: loving this move for Frankie Montas in the New York
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Mets for our fantasy game, mostly because like, this is
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the classic type of picture that like, especially if you're
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: in twelve teamers, fifteen teamers. Maybe not quite drafting now,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: but especially like when you get deep into draft season.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: This is the type of player where he's not gonna
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: pop out after that four point eight ra last year.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: But if you can stream his home starts in New
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: York in front of that team, great chance that wins,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: great home ballpark. We saw some improvement in Frankie Montes's stuff.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I love what the Mets have shown in terms of
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't expect them to be able to get anything
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: out of Luis Sevarino, but got a solid season of him,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: got a solid season of Sean Manya that I think
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: there is a little bit of magic dust going on
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: there in New York on the Mets side in terms
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: of being able to convert borderline pitchers into something a
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: little more usable for our fantasy game. So I'm certainly
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: not talking to anything like a huge must target, But
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: if you're looking at somebody to round out your ninth
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: pitching spot and at the draft table, you can certainly
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: do far worse than Frankie Montes. What do you think?
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about I was gonna start talking you
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: off off the ledge there until you said twelve and
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: fifteen teamers and then I'm like, okay, yeah, no, that's
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: kind of where where I'm at with Frankie Montes. And
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: actually he made all the points I was gonna make
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: on him, which is like the Mets all of a
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: sudden feel like they know how to create pictures and
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: get something out of guys, Like I didn't feel like
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: i'd say that ever, And with Manaia and sever Reno
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: this last year, it seems like they took some of
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: these guys that were like cast off, like had a
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: ton of skills and just these is a second breath
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: and a second chance, and that's what it feels like
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: with Montas, like he has the potential there, but he's
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: kind of you can see the skills have just like
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: slightly degraded since his Oakland days and the he's lost
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: maybe a mile on the off a mile per hour
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: off of the fastball, you know, his walks have creeped
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: up just a little and and most that's all been
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: kind of aligned with injury for the most part. And
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: so that formula of what we seen with Severarino is
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: like almost identical. And so he is really one of
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: those ones that I would I've been paying attention like
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the offseason news things like that, and I also look
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: at it as you know, I think people were shocked,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: like he got a big contract, Like I think it's
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: the price.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Of pitching these days. Yeah, I think it is.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Like you're happy to get a guy on a two
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: year deal because you're not so over your your heels
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: that you're you're gonna regret it, but you're only paying
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: seventeen million, Like it's just we're coming out a year
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: after we talked about Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson going
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: to the Cardinals for twelve million dollars a year and
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: be like, well, it's just the price of you know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: fifty year old pictures that you're hoping to get something
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: out of, like Montas has upside, So I think he's interesting.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I think you're probably pegging him and right about the
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: right spot kind of when you're taking the dart throws
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: at the end of the draft. I think Mantas is
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: one of the really interesting dark throws, just like we
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: talked about Mania last year, just like we talked about Severino,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: and he actually might get a little bump up because
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: of that result.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also like that, like you might be
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: able to get some decent volume out of Montas too.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: That like that shoulder injury, I think that probably played
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: a part in his performance earlier in the year, and
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: so as he just kind of works his way back
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: more and more, you could see you know, one hundred
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: and fifty hundred and sixty innings out of Montess, which
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: would be really brilliant if you can get something around
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: like a league average ra and you know nine nine
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and a half K nine something like that with the Mets,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: that like it could be as a really sneaky value.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: So certainly, I think I'll probably end up having some shares,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: but certainly in that situation where like you know, you're
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: filling out the back end of your your rotation and
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: don't be dipping too much deeper than that until you
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: kind of see some flashes from Mantas in the spring. Okay,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: we had another pitcher signed yesterday who honestly, it was
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: just about the same. Deal is two years, twenty nine
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: million for Matthew Boyd signing with the Chicago Cubs, and
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: he's coming off of a pretty solid thirty nine and
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: two thirds innings eight starts with the Cleveland Guardians last year.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: He put up a two seventy two ERA with a
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: ten point four K nine and started for them in
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the playoffs too, So he was really like a hot
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: pickup down the stretch too, as people were just desperate
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: for pitching and Matt Boyd popped out there. He's also
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: now the third Southpaw in the Cubs rotation, which I
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: was looking. I think that maybe, like Jed Hoyer is
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: getting a little bit too in his head building his
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: team here in Chicago, that it's a little bit of
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: like that. I also I recently watched the Netflix documentary
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: on the four Red Sox and the Comeback, and so
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Jed Hoyer was in that. Especially like when people build
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: pitching staffs in Boston for friend Way Park, you usually
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: tend to go more right handed so that you can
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: avoid the green monster. I think Jeduary is doing the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: same thing here in Chicago because if you look at
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: this at the stat Cast park Factors of the past
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: three years for right handed bats, it ranks twenty eighth
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: in park factor with a ninety six. Left handers it
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: is fifteenth overall at a ninety nine. So there is
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: something about the way that I mean it's deeper in
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: left field and Wrigley, as well as just the way
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: that the wind works and everything like that that I
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: think this is part of why Imanaga kind of came
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: out and surprised this last year. This is why Justin
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Steele like it works, is that he's making half of
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: his starts at home. And so I'm feeling like Matt
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Boyd's actually in that hopper of like the you know,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the bingo balls of like the pitchers. When it gets
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: to the spot where I've got that one one or
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: two spots in my rotation, Frankie Montass is there too.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I might be baking to Matt Boyd picks because another
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: great home streamer I think to start the season. Nice
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: thing about these types of picks too, is you know,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: if he gets injured or if this stuff doesn't look good,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: you just kind of move on to the next hot pitcher.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: So are you gonna reel me back in here? Or
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: what do you think about Matthew Boyd landing in Chicago
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: and becoming a home start streamer for our fantasy game? Yeah?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I mean Boyd even more in montass has had such
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: an up and down career, like he's shown these flashes.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: He's shown these flashes of the brilliance and you're like, yes,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: he's breaking out because you know, you go back to
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: like twenty nineteen and he had one hundred and eighty
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: five innings, eleven and a half, k for nine, two
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and a half walk for nine. His ERA was actually
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: four and a half, but his XCRA and his x
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: FIP were like three eight, And you're like, man, this
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: guy's riding on the precipice. He had some unluck, you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: has some poor luck things like that. He's always had
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: trouble shaking the long ball, and that that's what's gonna
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: be interesting for him. You know, spend the majority of
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: time in Detroit, and he it seems like when he
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: went to Cleveland he kind of benefited there and Chicago's
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: not great for the log ball, so I think that
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: is a merit to him. But you know, you can
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: it's not hard to look at him and go like,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: there's intrigue, there's something worthwhile here. So I think I
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: like your combination, you know, combination there. I saw him
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: very similar to Mantas at this point, and I'm curious
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: which one if you're in drafts today, which one would
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: you be picking them off the board? First?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Definitely Mantas, so like, even though they're kind of in
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: like the same tier, Montess is definitely towards the upper
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: part of that tier, mostly because of what I was
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: talking about with that volume, Like Montas has the chance
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: to actually give you a full season as opposed to
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: your wish casting that on Matthew Boyd at this point.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I mean he's had a full season the last five
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: years combined.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It will but it will pop instant. So like
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I think, if like you're looking for, it'll obviously depend
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: on league size. I think the shallower it is, maybe
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I will start shading towards Boyd because like he's got
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: the bigger strikeout potential. But if you're in a twelve
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: team or fifteen teamer where you need some volume because
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: you just don't know where it's gonna come from. I
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: would lean Montest at this point. What about you?
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm right there with you. I feel
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: like Montess is the has the higher floor, similar ceiling.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: But if we're talking like a daily fantasy here, BOYD
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: might be fun to roll out a few times to
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: see what happens.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially like if you find a good game where
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: like it's blown in and regular exactly, he's gonna put
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: up like a fifteen K game.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: All right. Next transaction we have is a role this
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Chapman signing with the Boston Red Sox and it looks
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: like he's going to come in and be the closer
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: because Kenley Jansen is no longer there. It's going to
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: be just a one year contract. And I guess the
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: question here's how long do you think that this is
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: gonna work out? Do you think Chapman can hold the
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: closer's job in Boston the entire year. He's coming off
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: of a year with the Pirates where he wracked up
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: fourteen saves, had a fourteen point three K nine a
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: three seventy nine ear ra over sixty one and two
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: thirds innings, But he hasn't had a walk rate below
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: five and a half since. I mean you could even
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: throw out COVID twenty twenty, so you're looking at twenty nineteen.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Walks have been a problem and it's just a matter
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: of time before we were just talking about this. In finway,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: if you're a left handed pitcher, it's going to come
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: back to bite you. So all those kind of factors
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: put together, where are you considering a role as Chapman
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: as like a saves option and like in the kind
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: of grand scheme. Obviously we've got a lot of draft
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: season play out, But where do you think you've kind
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: of slot rold As Chapmans as a preferred closer in
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: your rankings?
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I definitely consider him, Like I think
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: right now out of the gate he is the expected closer.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Do I think he finishes the year as the closer? No,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any chance in the world. I
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: think it's a ten percent chance every month that you
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: take off one hundred percent chance at the begind of
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: the year after we get through kind of April time frame,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: ninety eight seventy, like it's by the All Star breaker's
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: fifty to fifty. And part of that is Chapman like
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: he is just he Ricky Vaughan styled throws it up there.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: You don't know where the thing's going. He doesn't either,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: and that's what makes him scary.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: But well things, but the other things.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: But also you know, I see Liam Hendricks here, who
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I think is just a much better pitcher, and as
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: he recover gets back from his his uh injury recovery
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: and he gets some innings and stuff like that, I
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: think he becomes the preferred option for Boston in the
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: latter half of next year. And so I think, you know,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Chapman's there too to put out some fires, because he
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: is that guy that when you're in a tough spot, yeah,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: he's gonna he's gonna either go blow everybody away or
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: completely blow up. And sometimes that's just what you need.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: And so I think that's exciting. From a closer ranking perspective,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I'd probably put him right around the like late teens route,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: maybe the twenty spot in the closer rankings, right towards
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: the back of the guys that I know are closers
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: like is I think where I put that. I think
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: there's just too much variability, too much risk, too much
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: damage that can happen with with Chapman here and I
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: And this is one of those I'm completely find being wrong.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Like if if if Chapman goes and blows every way,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I'll look at it and go good for him. I'm
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: still happy I was not on that on that that train.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel you. And it's the dichonomy of
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: like guy that you want here for the most in
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Liam Hendricks and the least in the worldest Chapman here.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: That like, the one thing that does give me pause
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: is with Hendricks last year it wasn't going so great.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: It was a second time of John surgery. Yep, he
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: is thirty five. The velocity wasn't coming back quite the
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: same way that you would think, And so that gives
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: me a little bit of pause. But it does feel
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: like a situation where if you've got Chapman, you've got
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to prepare yourself to take Hendrix and probably Slayton too,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: just to like really make sure that you're short up
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: at that Boston closer's job going into the season, that
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: you can plant your flag and say it's yours, but
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough, like you have to. I think
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get pretty far, like into the draft,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: where you've got to be pretty desperate for saves for
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: me to be barking up the Roldest Chapman tree because
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: of a lot of what you've talked about, Like obviously
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: it goes a little bit against what I've been with
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Craig Kimberl, like over the years in terms of like
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: riding that train, but like the train's been off the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: rails for four years for Oldest Chapman. It's a blow
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: up like every other night, it feels like, And so
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to like string together and like become
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: like clusters of good stretches the way Kimberl does that.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Like you just kind of never know when the Chapman
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: blow ups come in. And so I guess if you're
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: prepared to deal with all that, certainly can you can
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: go that route because I think the Red Sox are
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: going to be pretty good, but it's going to be volatile,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: very very volatile, very very volatile. Okay, we've got another
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: signing that has come through, and this happened yesterday and
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: it is near and dear to my heart as it
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: is one of my boys from my weekly wave of
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: wire columns that I'm not maybe made an appearance in
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: like half of my columns this past year because he
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: just never stopped hitting all season and just kept posting
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: insane barrel rates. I am, of course talking about my
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: boy catcher Kyle Higashioka, who signs a two year deal
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: with the Rangers. So it looks like it's a total
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: of thirteen and a half million dollars gonna be presumably
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: kind of splitting time there with Jonah him who had
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: a tough year, but Higashyoka is coming off In case
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: maybe you didn't notice, like if I'm reporting this news
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: out to you, in eighty four games, he put up
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: seventeen homers, forty five rbi slash two twenty two sixty three,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: four seventy six that came with Oh man, it came
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: back down to earth. His barrel rate last year was
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: running in like the upper teens. It came back down
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: to ten point seven. But he's got a career eleven
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: point three barrel rate. I think that if you're looking
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: for a late catcher in a two catcher league, you
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: can certainly do way worse than Kyle Kashioka. This feels
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: like it could be again. Our boy Mitch Garver kind
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: of fits this mold too, was on Texas and did this.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: So what do you think about gosh Yoka as like
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: a C two with this roll down with the Rangers.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I think it's a valid play.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: It's not a play I would generally make because with
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: my C two's I hate taking the massive batting average
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: hit in the five by five game, and I, uh
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: the Steamer projections on here is A two eighteen, and
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like they're spot on. Uhgawa. But you know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: if maybe you've played the game and you've really gone
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: after the Freddie Freemans and Louis Ryes of the world,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: and at that point you've already made the mistakes, you
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: might as well go with Kyle Heshagawa as well. But
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I think there's potential. I think that he's gonna I
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: just don't know that he's gonna be an everyday catcher.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like they bought him kind of as an
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: insurance plan that he's gonna play in like seventy five
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: or eighty percent of the games, and he's gonna be
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: one of the first guys off the bench, pinch hitter
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: type thing. So I think there's twenty homer power in
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: that bat. I just think it's coming with like fifty
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: runs and a two fifteen betting average. And so for
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: US C two, maybe not the.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Worst thing in the world, but that's C two.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But like I, I think that there's a lot
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: of other guys I'd rather take a gamble on that
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: I have see upside, And I think the upside with
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Yashigawa is twenty five homers instead of twenty homers and
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: still all the other words. And so maybe I'm a
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: little too down on him, but he's probably a guy
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna steer away from. He's better defense, he's a
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: good defensive catcher. He brings a lot of other things
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: to the game along with the sneaky power.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think this is about as close
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: as we get to a disagreement here, because I mean
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I think the he's got a little bit more upside too.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at the roster resource for the Rangers.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Our boy Josh Smith is still slated as the designated
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: hitter on this team after winning that very prestigious selfur
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Slugger Award. So we all know what Josh Smith has
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: in the bat, but makes it also a pretty easy platoon.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Josh Smith is left handed. I think there's a path
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: to a little more playing time than we would expect
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: for Higashiokab just because that DH spot. I think they're
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: gonna get him some run there given the power in
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: that bat.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: We will see, we'll see, well, we'll come back to
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: this one. We'll see who's right.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll see, like how many times in a
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: row I can write about him over the summer, as
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: he's just like cranking Homer's. Okay, Well, let's move on
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: to some Korean baseball news. So the KBO, we've got
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: a couple bits of news that have come out. One
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: just broke this afternoon, and that is I think it's
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: heighs Young Kim. That's what I'm gonna say, just to
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: distinguish it from has Young Kim, the current like infielder
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: who is a free agent played for the Sango Padres,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: but high sound Kim is one of the upper tier
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: players of the KBO. Right now, he is going to
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: be posted. Honestly, it sounds like tomorrow, which will start
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: his thirty day window for teams to bid, and it's
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: gonna be coming in under you know, some of the
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: esoteric rules that we just we talked last time about
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: rookie Sasaki as he's being you know, put into the
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: international pool. But Kim will be like posted posted the
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: way that like you traditionally see in terms of like
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Sugano coming over this offseason, Yamamoto coming over last season
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: and last year HAIs On Kim was able to slash well. Actually,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I've got his career tolls here, which was three h
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: four three sixty four four oh three in his eight
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: KBO seasons. Although I think it is it's almost easy
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: to comp him to Haskun Kim just because they're both infielders,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: he should come over as a second baseman. Hasung Kim
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: came over with a lot more power in the bat
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: than Heisun Kim did, so I would almost put him
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: a little bit closer to Jungjo Lee. I think where
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: you've got a good bat, good bat to or like
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: a good bat in terms of like a Luisa Rye
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: his way back to ball skills, good glove, good fielding,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: just kind of the intangibles, but without the power. And
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: so it was tough because Lee injured that shoulder so
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: early this year that we couldn't see what he could
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: do in major League baseball. So I'm gonna let you
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: take the random guess on what do you think he
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Sung Kim can do coming over from KBO? Do you
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: think he actually like breaks camp and is in a
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: lineup out the gate? And are you looking at him
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: in any of your fantasy leagues?
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's such an interesting colmp to
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Hassan Kim from name to they were teammates, they were
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: middle and field teammates for a few years in the KBO,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: and I think you look at them besides the power,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: their profiles were very similar at the time of coming over,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: and so I think you can look kind of what
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: hass On Kim's done and and apply that to Huck
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Huk Young Sum Kim. Good luck to the announcers on
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: this one if those two been up in the same game.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: But I think you know, probably a you know, mid
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: two fifty to sixty average. I think the speed's gonna
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: translate relatively decent, so maybe a fifteen to twenty steel
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: guy with the five to ten homers. Like, I think
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: it's kind of what you saw with with with Hasson
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Kim without the same power and Haston Kim to me
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: is a twenty twenty potential bat when he's you know,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: fully healthy and going. He's got a lot of a
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: lot of potential there. So I like him. I think
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: he probably does sign somewhere and break camp, but I
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna be like with a huge market
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: team or something like that. I think he's gonna find
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: a middle deal somewhere like Seattle would not shock me,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: you know, so you know, even a San Francisco would
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: wouldn't wouldn't shock I see a lot of those West
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Coast teams being you know, at play here, So I'd
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: be intrigued with him, but I would temper expectations to
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: you know, much more of a late late draft middle
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: infield type with some speed play.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think of maybe like a good
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: comp What about Xavier Edwards, Like, do you think he's
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: in that build or do you think Xavior Edwards is
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: like a tear up of like what you would expect
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: from Kim.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: No.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I think that's a fair, fair, fair comparison there with
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: both of them. Like, I think that there is kind
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: of Edwards might have a little bit more explosiveness from
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: from my perspective, and maybe a little bit more of variability,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: whereas Kim, I think is, you know, he's been extremely
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: consistent in his career, so I think you get what
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: you get. But I think it is that average of
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Xavier Edwards, and so I think that's about right, that
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: guy that you're looking at at the back of your
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: draft and be like, eh, I'll take a swing at
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: this and it works out great if I'll cut them
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: move on.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if you're a little bit light in batting
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: average and stolen bases, I think there are certainly worst
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: routes you can go. And I mean I think, especially
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: at this point, like if you're doing drafting right now
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: in early December, your prices on High Sun Kim are
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: going to be pretty low. I mean, they're gonna start
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: bumping up now that he's gonna be posted tomorrow. But like,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: until he finds a landing spot, you can get him
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: relatively free. So I think if you're looking in really
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: deep like drafting holds and stuff like that right now,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's a decent name to pop because stolen bases,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I think where he's going in drafts right now, so
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: late is difficult to find. Okay, I've got one more,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: really really deep piece of news just because I haven't
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: seen this break anywhere else except for when I was
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: going through MLB trade rumors to update like our rundown
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: and get the news. And it sounds like there are
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: teams that are out there that are interested in former
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Major League player now in the KBO Socrates Brito, who is,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: believe it or not, now thirty five years old or
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: thirty two years old and has been posting really solid
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: numbers while he's been in Korea. He's posted two straight
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: years of twenty plus homers. This past year he hit
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: three ten, three point fifty nine five sixteen with twenty
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: six homers and thirteen stolen bases. This was a guy
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: when he was coming through the Arizona system was a
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: really hot name, especially back in like twenty eighteen. Is
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: especially when I'm thinking about when he came through the
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: miners as a twenty five year old in Triple A
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: and posted a seventeen homer fifteen stolen baseline. Had a
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: lot of like hype in terms of just like all
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: round bat in speed power combo I guess I'm gonna
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: get straight to the point and ask any interest here
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: in like terms of like really deep dynasty, really deep
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: draft and hold where you might be able to see, Hey,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: like I you know, so any skills that you've seen
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Brito put up in the KBO that has shown development
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: since his time when he was over here in the
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Majors and the miners, that might give you hope that
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: he could find something kind of akin to what Eric
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: James did when he came back from KBO. Maybe not
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: that level of power, but you're looking at maybe of
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: a more of a power speed combo here at Brito.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny you say that you saw you saw me.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: We're on a video call where we do this and
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: you saw me visual physically react to your comment there.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: It's because I've got Baseball Reference paid for. Eric Tams
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: pulled up right now. Oh no, because that's that was
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: what was in my head, and I was like, like,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: I feel like when Eric Tams was like in that conversation,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: very similar age. He was like thirty and but the
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: numbers he was putting up in the KBO were like
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: a video game. We're talking like bay Ruth three fifty
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: averagege forty homers, like it was just insane. And then
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: he comes over and he has decent but like he
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: got like sixty to seventy percent of the power and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: he's got like, you know, sixty seven percent averageing like that.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Like so like let's just take that and pry it
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: to Brito. A guy in a similar situation versus like
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: a young guy likes somebody like a Kim or somebody
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: that's coming over that as growth and they're still learning first.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Another guy that's kind of was known quantity in the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: in the state side, Well, if you apply those to Brito,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: he's like a ten homer, ten steal, two fifty guy.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: And maybe I'm probably conflating this a little bit, but
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: I'm just not that that excited about Brito here. I
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: don't think there's enough growth. It's not like he all
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: of a sudden did anything that other guys when they
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: go over to the KBO haven't done. Maybe he showed a
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: little bit more athleticism things like that in three years
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: is nice, But I look at him as like he
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: comes over as maybe a third outfield or on a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: lower tier team, or worth outfielder on an upper tier
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: team and I'm not really interested in all draft tables,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: am I am I too harsh on him. I just
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: I just I can't believe it. I just I just
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: I can't I can't buy it.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that there's probably there are leagues.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I think there's probably relevant to where it's really deep
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: dynasty stuff, especially where you're in like some of those
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: dynasty leagues where you're kind of scraping for every person
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: who kind of comes up and gets a starting job.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Like this is also like a fantastic profile where like
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: if Soccrate's breedo also lands in Colorado, then like then
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: then he's like on a ble and like all sorts
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: of leagues, you know, but it's taking that flyer. But
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I do think that there's a chance where on a
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: second division team he's gonna carve out some playing time
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: because partly because it's gonna require a couple million dollars
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: to bring him over that like the team is gonna
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: have to invest in him a little bit. And I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: do see in his numbers with the KBO. I mean,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not exactly like an expert on how like KBO
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: numbers translate into MLB projections, but it does look like
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: he's making more contact and like has cut the k rate.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: So if he's kind of put something together over there
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: in Korea and has better bat toball skills, then you
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: might be able to see Brito get to some of
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: that potential he had. And yeah, it could be a
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: very sneaky kind of fifteen to fifteen ish season that
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't sound terribly sexy, but in super deep leagues like
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: that can be an absolute salve considering he is absolutely free.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe an l AL only type league that would
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: be a little bit more interesting. So that's fair, I'll
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: give you that in the deeper leagues, but I'm I'm
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: not holding my breath here.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I just also wanted to plan in our flag is
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: like the one podcast talking about soccrates Brito in the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: first week of December and looking forward to reviving that
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: player tag on ras ball after we get this posted
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: up and up.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Well time has been used in five years.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gooda have been a while. Okay, well that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: covers us for the real baseball news out there, but
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: we do have a handful of baseball card news that
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: has come out since we last talked, and updates the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: calendar releases as well that we've covered this over the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: past couple pods that this is a really big time
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: for baseball card releases around the holidays and partly like
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: making sure that they get all the revenue out the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: door that they can over at Tops and Fanatics. But
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: the first piece of news we have is that the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: MVP buyback program is back into live. So they've been
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: running this now for two straight years, which is well,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: I guess this will be the third year that Tops
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: has run this, And it's kind of funny that going
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: back to the original reason for this was that they
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: butchered the release of twenty twenty two Tops chrumb so
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: badly that they put this in place that people could
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: exchange cards of the MVP winners to be able to
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: get credit at their local hobby hobby shops and exchange
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: it for anything. So, I mean, I know with our
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: hobby shops, like when I've had these buyback cards that
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: I walk in and it's pretty much cash because the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: way that they work in their relationship with Tops as
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: a you know, exclusive distributor. Then they turn around and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Tops gives them just straight credit or cash for the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: cards that they've exchanged. The one wrinkle here this year
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: is that we have the first back to back MVP
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: in terms of Otani obviously jumped leagues from AL to NL,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: but with that they've got an entire set of what
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: they've been doing with these other previously bought back MVP
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: cards is stamping them and re releasing them in the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: next year of TOPS. And so the twenty twenty three
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: stamped Otani cards have been out there and pulled their
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: numbered and they've got like the stamp that says they
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three MVP. So for the twenty twenty
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: four buy back, these twenty twenty three stamped cards, which
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: were numbered pretty limited, really hard to get your hands
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: on because it was Otani as well, have special buybacks
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: related to them because each of them had like different numberings,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: and so it is a fun little wrinkle. The negative alone,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: which was of fifty of the twenty twenty three MVP
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: buy back, will give you one thousand dollars in buybacks
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: at your local car chops. Just the base refractor is
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: four hundred dollars as of one ninety nine. And so
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: if you have any of those, certainly something significant that
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: you're you're sitting on the rest of the prices for
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: this year are kind of wonky, I would say, compared
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: to what they've been, Like it's only forty bucks for
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: a negative, only twenty bucks for the base image variation,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: which you can totally get more on the market for that.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the they'll only give you two hundred
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: bucks for a frozen or a red refractor.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Or one of one, which is the super factors is
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: two hundred bucks's.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Which is they're not going to get any of those
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: back because you can get more on the market straight
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: up for the card value of those. Same with the
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: logo fractors too, I think the logo factors are set
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: up to only be one hundred bucks. I haven't checked
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: in on the price of a Judge or Otani logo
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: fractor on eBay lately, but I'm guessing it's probably more
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: than that. But like they're they're hot cards, so it's
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: not It does feel like this program's probably running out
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit of steam just based on that pricing
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: compared to where it's been. But what do you think?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this? And kind of like
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: the historic moment of having the stamped cards be returnable too.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I personally, I really liked the MVP
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: buyback program. I think it didn't work as well this
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: year as they would have hoped because the gosh darn
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: MVP races were so obvious for so long. Because what
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: I think is really interesting is when the MVP races
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: aren't clear at the time of release of tops Chrome,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: and you can see these guys who like are in
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: the discussion in the top three or four potential, and
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: if they have a good last few months, like their
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: card value is just trying to kind of creep up,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: and you know, and you're just kind of holding them.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: And that's what it was. That first and second year
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: of this is just like, hey, you know, you backed it.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Especially that first year we the other gold Schmid and
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't think you didn't see it coming,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: but he was not a slam dunk to get that,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: and you just really backed into his cards. They were
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: they were incredibly cheap, and then you know, they had
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: announced this this program, and so when they announced, it's like, hey,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: you were buying these gold Smiths for a buck or
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: fifty cents things like that, and then that was what's exciting.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: And I think the second years you had some of
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: that where that it wasn't always certain what was going
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: to happen. You know, it's a Kenya guy was okay.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: But you know, I hope that it around because I
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: like I like that that effect of it. I also
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: love the fact that they did something different with the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: double stamps, because I don't think that the collect the
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: common collector, would have expected that. I think they were
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: treated like, you know, a unique card and something like that.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: And now it's put in a really dicey situation to
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: be like, do I take that money? Do I take
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: that for eight hundred thousand dollars for this card that
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: I probably paid a pretty penny for because it was
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: so unique, But how do you pass up the guaranteed sale?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: And so I think it's an interesting dynamic, something they've
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: another wrinkle they put into it. So I hope they
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: keep it around. I hope that it comes back. I
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: just hope the MVP races are a little bit closer
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: so it gives us a little more intrigue as the
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: season goes on to talk.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: About Yeah, I agree, that would be fun to be
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: able to have like three or four candidates in each league,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: and that way you're kind of like watching the ebbs
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and flows of these base cards, because you're gonna get
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: twenty bucks for a basic car card when you can
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: just kind of pull it pretty easily out of a
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: blaster pack. That you know, if you get both of
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: the MVPs and your blaster pack, you've already paid for
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: your blaster. So I do hope that that happens for
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: next year. So the other news that we have is
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: just kind of general tops, Chrome update releases or like polls.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: In our last pod, which was number sixty eight, we
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: cover the overview of that checklist and everything involved, especially
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: the big cards that everybody's looking for, the MLB debut
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: patch cards, and those are related to when a rookie
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: makes his debut, he wears that patch on the sleeve,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: goes into the card, signs the card. It's a one
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: of one, really fantastic kind of program because it's the
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: only thing that really links to like a direct piece
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: of history that goes into new cards sets the way
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: these debut patches do. And so I'll link to there's
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: been a bunch pulled and they're on Reddit. Actually this
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: is kind of a couple weeks old already, and so
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: especially if you follow TOPS on socials, you'll see more
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: of them get pulled. Of the significant ones, I know
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: the La de la Cruz has been pulled, but we're
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: still looking for the Paul Skeens one. Which it's kind
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: of funny how quickly this bit of news fizzled out.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: But if you weren't aware in the time between we
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: recorded that podcast, in this one, there was a whole
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: bounty going on where the pirates are offering, among other things,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: behind home plate seats for thirty years if you hand
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: over the Paul Skins card to them, along with lots
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: of other things, then Paul Skeenes and Livy Dunn andded
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: on Livy Dunn so that you could watch a game
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: in her suite with her, and so things really took off.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: I can tell that people actually like checked in on
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: the pod because we did a great overview of TOPS
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Chrome update that release in episode sixty eight. Go check
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: it out. But we're kind of running out of runway
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: of like cards that are wanted out of this product
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: because we've also had both of the super fractors of
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: the Skins bass and the Auto be pulled, So those
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: have been out there and are going to sold for
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: nine figures, especially on the auto, if not more, and
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: you're just kind of running out of more and more
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Skin cards every day. I think I've seen a couple
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: of the reds Now both Auto and bass, but still
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: not that pro debut patch. So it is a little
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: bit of like the Wanka Golden Ticket. But it'll be
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: interesting to see where that Paul Ski card surface is
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: because we are kind of at this point. We are
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: three weeks out from that release date, and you know,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: usually all these things churn pretty quickly, especially given what
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: we've got and the releases coming up. So TOPS is
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: gonna need this to be found so they can keep
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: writing their momentum. Unless you're sitting on it over there,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: brew you sitting on that Paul Skins card? And what
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: would you do if you did have it? Would you
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: take that bound from the pirates or are you going
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: to take this card tuck it away in your PC
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: or are you going to move it on to an
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: auction house?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Well, you know me and I cannot talk that thing
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: at the PC. I'm not I'm not. I'm a collector,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: but I'm not. I'm not that, I'm not. No, I
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: couldn't do it. Yeah, to me, it's one of those
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: really interesting dynamics because this is one of the biggest
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: cards out there, and you're right, you could take this
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: an auction house and you could get I don't know
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: what number you're going to get. I think they throw
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: it like one hundred k or something like that. It's
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: like the number, but what the Pirates are is offering
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: is actually extremely valuable. And I don't know the details,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Like they make it really clear what all the detail are.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: But like you can play a softball game with your
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: team with like a bunch of buddies at P and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: C Park, you have to do the Libby done? And
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: then was it thirty years of behind home plate? Did
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: they say it was two seats it was? I don't
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: think it was. And so like, let just do the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: math on that, Like I'm not an expert here, but
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: let's just say every seat behind P and C. I'm
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: gonna go conservatives two hundred bucks a seat. It's four
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: hundred a game. I'm doing well here, eighty one games season.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: That's thirty two thousand times thirty seasons. That's just short
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: shy of a million dollars worth of tickets. I don't
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: think the Paul Skins card on an auction house is
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: selling for a million dollars. And maybe I'm wrong, but
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: I watched the Netflix series about Golden and I'm now
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: an expert, so I don't think it goes for a
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: million dollars.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: And the beauty of those tickets is you you can
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: sell them, you can do over things like that, but
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: you can enjoy and you can have, like you know,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: for somebody like us were in Illinois, We're ten twelve
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: hours from from Pittsburgh, but you have free tickets to
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: go watch your favorite team play the Pirates if.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: They make it to the series or something like that,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: You've got tickets. Like I think, it's just such a
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: unique thing that for thirty years you could enjoy this
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: unique experience with baseball. And so I'm taking I'm taking
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: the Pirates offer all day, and I'm selling some of
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: the tickets and making a few bucks, and then I'm
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: I'm road tripping out to Pittsburgh a few weeks at
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: a time, and I'm just enjoying that I'm making I'm
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: negotiating it, by the way, and I'm making sure I
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: could meet Paul Skins every time. And Livy Dunn's gonna
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: have me in her suite once a season like it.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: It's things like that. Yet yeah, yeah, I mean clearly
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: we already are, but so I don't want you. Clearly
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: I've played this one through in my head. Are you
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: taking the deal if you pull the skins card?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I am. I think I am
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: taking it to an auction house, just because it's like
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: a it's a little bit of like this is kind
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: of thing the classic if you win the lottery, if
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: you win you know, the big bucks or megabucks. I
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: don't even know what it's called. Like, I don't not
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: much like a lottery gambler person, but whether or not
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: you take that annuity or whether you take the lump sum,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm more of like a lump sum person whenever
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: it comes to that sort of situation, just because like
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: I'd rather have that guaranteed amount and be able to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: know what I'm doing with it as opposed to the
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: thirty years of tickets as cool, but i'd be pretty
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: burnt out maybe after a couple of years, and especially
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: you know, if you were a Pirates fan, it might
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: be something all different. But I'm also like looking at
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: the extraneous costs as somebody who just had like a
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: twenty game package to the White Sox of like buying food,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: buying parking, buying beer, Like it's it turns into like
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: a whole like cost sink. And so I would rather
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: just kind of, I think, move it to the auction
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: house or just sell it outright to Paul Schemes, like,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: because it does seem like Paul Skis is a pretty
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: big card collector and that's why he wants the card, Like,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: that's why there's the bounty, and so if he's just
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: gonna pay me straight cash, I'll take that.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: I think. I think you actually make a really interesting point.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: There's kind of what I said about negotiating with the pirates,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Like I think maybe the best way to handle this
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: is that negotiation. Say hey, I'd love to take you
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: up on that. The value of this over thirty years
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: is basically a million bucks. Give me five hundred k
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: given the next five years, and I'll experience all those things.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: I'll have the tickets for five years. It'll be great,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: you know, cool thing or ten years whatever it is.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: And then you kind of get a little both and
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: you know, you get the value without having to deal
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: with the auction and all that, but then you also
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: get this amazing life experience that nobody else can take
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: away from you. There's probably some happy medium there. But
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: because the Pirates Committee, the I home plate seats is
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: a pretty big that's a that's a pretty big revenue
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: stream right there. What season ticket holder lost those in this,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there was one as part of it,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: but yeah, obviously you're in negotiation. You're going to attack
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: on your your annual game with Livy as well, so
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: I know that they got that coming from you annual series.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Sorry series, Wow, that might be really pushings we at
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: dinner every time.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's a whole it's a whole deal.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Uh Okay, Well, like I said, we've got a big
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: list of releases coming up on the calendar, So we're
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: about to talk about Bowman Draft after we take a break,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: which is coming out on December fourth, So right when
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: this podcast release, you'll be able to I mean, I
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: don't know if you can actually a ford to opening
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Booman Draft if you're listening to this podcast, but it's
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: out there for you to rip while you listen to
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: this podcast. The other releases we've got coming up because
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: of the Hollisday season. We've just got Tons coming out
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: twelve six. We've got Allen and Ginter X twelve eleven.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: We've got TOPS Definitive twelve thirteen, Panini Prism finally coming
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: out six months late, twelve nineteen. TOPS Triple Threads is
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: coming out twelve twenty seven, Bowman's Best. Those these are
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: all twenty twenty four sets. By the way, then it
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: does look like being pushed into twenty twenty five. We
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: have TBD of TOPS Chrome Sapphire and TOPS Luminaries, So
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: that is a pretty big slate of you know, you
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: got the gamut of Panini cards coming up. You've got
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: the high end stuff with Triple Threads and Luminaries, a
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: little bit more of the lower end stuff with Bowman's Best.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Anything here really jumping off the page to you, brew
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: in that in that calendar of scheduled releases.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like how you try to sneak lower end
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: into this conversation, because there's not much even Bowman's Best
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: these days. It's like a All or a Hobby Books product.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: But I think what jumps to me is probably Triple Threads.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: I think I've always been a big fan of Triple Threads.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Just such a unique product that you know, you look
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: at things like Definitive or Best and even luminaries, like
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: you can kind of look through all the rest of
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: the TOPS products and there's you can be like, well,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like this Triple Threads. There's nothing else
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: like Triple Threads. Especially the patch cards where they spell
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: something they talk about it. I think that's a fantastic product,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: and it is of the things we're talking about slightly
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: more accessible here. But you know, if you have to
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: go for what's really the the criminal or crim of
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: these that if I would just had to pick one,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: ignore price, I'd want to ripped, it's probably a TOPS
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: chrome sapphire. There's something about opening a box of sapphire.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Those cards are just so unbelievable that you know, they
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: sparkle like a sapphire. That's probably why they called it that,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: and I would just love I think I've opened a
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: box of sapphire like once in my life. Probably not
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: gonna hapen to getick in this year, but it is
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: definitely a product that is fun to enjoy, and you know,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: especially on the secondary market.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely so, and you'll still have lots of
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: La de La Cruz and Paul Skeien's and the Jackson's
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: and everybody in these products. So they're gonna be pretty
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: big releases. It's gonna be really big for just kind
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: of like the breaking community out there too. So I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: think it'll be fun kind of watching some of these
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: get pulled because especially between definitive triple threads luminaries, there's
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: gonna be some pretty crazy cards buried in those. So
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to see those surface as we get into
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: the darkest months of the year here during the winter. So,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: like I said, we're gonna take a quick break, but
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: we will be back to discuss the release of twenty
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: twenty four Bowmen Draft. So stick around, all right, Welcome
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: back everybody as we dive into the release of twenty
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: twenty four Bowman Draft, which will be hitting a hobby
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: shelves out there on December fourth. So this is a
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: hobby only product. You're not gonna be able to find
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: this on retail shelves like Targets and Walmart's. The way
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: that the major releases we've talked about are, this is
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: a product that comes out annually. So Bowman Draft, as
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: you might be able to surmise from its name, is
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: loaded with all of the most recent drafted players. So
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: last year this was obviously an extremely hot set with
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Paul Skeens being inserted into it along with Wyatt Langford
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: and some of those other big picks. So this year
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of those major first round picks.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: They do hold some of them out so that they
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: have first cards. In Bowman twenty twenty five. We'll get
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: into that a little bit, but just a glance an
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: overview of Bowman Draft. What we're looking at here is
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: a two hundred card set of all prospects. So some
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: of these will be Bowman First, which are highly coveted.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: They're essentially rookie cards are the first cards of those players.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: The other ones will just be regular prospect cards because
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: they've had Bowman First and other Bowman sets between Base Bowman,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Bowman Chrome previous Bowman drafts. And you have two options
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: of being able to purchase Bowman Draft out there. One
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: is going to be a hobby box, which you're gonna get,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: is that right at thirty two cards per pack? Oh?
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Thirty two? That is right, Yeah, So thirty two cards
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: per pack and twelve packs in there, which will give
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: you three autographs and a hobby In a jumbo you've
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: got one hundred and twenty card packs, five packs per box,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: and that will come with five autographs. Now Here comes
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: the downside because you can go back. Actually, we talked
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: about the release of twenty twenty three back in episode
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: twenty two, so it's kind of fun getting to retread
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: some of these releases year over year. But the pricing
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: on Bowman Draft has gotten absolutely insane over the past
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: couple of years. Even in twenty episode twenty two, we
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: were already lamenting that, and you actually had the chance
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: to hit Paul Sken's autos Paul skin First. Don't have
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: that type of shot here with Bowman Draft twenty twenty four.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: But you're gonna be paying like you will be as
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: one of those hobby boxes I was talking about with
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: the shot at three autographs gonna run you a cool
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: five hundred and thirty dollars on tops dot com when
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: it releases tomorrow, and the jumbo box is going to
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: run you seven hundred and fifty bucks for five autos
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: and a jumbo box, which are just when's the last
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: time you think you've seen pricing like this brew It's
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: kind of gotten to a point where I'm not who's
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: buying this stuff that isn't a breaker?
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean that's what it's become. It's become
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: a breaker's product that there really is almost no other
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: way to buy this, like the bank roll you have
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: to have, Like in even in the hobby shops that
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: I go to, they don't have a ton of this
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: stuff on the shelf because of what they have to
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: invest to have it in the shop, Like and so
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: they're buying a single case or things like that because
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: you know, for the same cost you can buy seven
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: cases of Allan and Ginter or something else like that.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: The people are gonna be actually coming in and have
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: accessible to them. So yeah, seven fifty. I mean at
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: this point you're talking, you know, let's let's just throw
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: tax in the mix. You're talking like one hundred and
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: seventy five dollars for a auto, like and I get
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: that some of the autos will be expensive, but when
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: when you're looking at like that after cell market, I
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: mean it's it's outside those top guys, like one hundred
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: and seventy five is like the max, and the vast
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: majority of these guys are going to be under fifty
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: dollars in a few years. Like it's it's there's another
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: question about that. Yeah, and so even the guys that
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: sniff the Major's, let alone the guys that don't. And
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: so I think that's what's it is such a tough draw,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: is that you know the value out of these cars,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: like you just aren't getting the return. I mean, they
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: do trim back the checklist, so it's not kind of
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: like your everyday middle reliever kind of like you have
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: with the Tops Chrome from the major league level, but
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: it is becoming very inaccessible, and it is also even
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: from the breaker community. I think it's getting tough because
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: they have to differentiate the team so significantly by the
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: players that are available, and you end up with a
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: team that you can get for probably twenty thirty bucks
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: in a break because there's like nobody to pull. And
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: then you might have a team that costs two to
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: three hundred in a break, maybe even more because you're
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: going after the number one draft pick, right, And so
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's, it's it's a it's a challenging product
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: at this point, and I would like to see them
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: try to tear this back. I just don't know how
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: they can. And I also don't know why it's hit
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: the point that it has, like yeah, from a production standpoint,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: or like it's not hard to access the autographs and
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: things like that. Like what minor leaguer that just signed
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: a contract isn't excited to sign their baseball cards? Right?
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure what what the driver is. This
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: is clearly not a cost of goods sold issue. It's
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: not about the gross margin here. So we talked about
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: annuities and gross margins in this podcast today, So I
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: apologize to the viewers. We've we've really got out of
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: our lane.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: But yeah, might be able to get like an accounting
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: finance degree off of us after a couple of pods.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: But it's like a too, I mean yeah, And I
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: think you make a good point in terms of this
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: product too. It's Bowman Draft, So like what you're looking
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: at for autographs are recent draftees. You're not able to
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: get a shot in any of the recent January two signings,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: you know, in terms of like Leo Dallas Debrees came
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: out in Bowman Chrome as well as a bunch of
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: the other big signings, and you know they've traditionally been
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: coming through that Bowman Chrome product or they get picked
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: up the next year in Bowman just regular Bowman paper.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: That's where like Elie de la Cruz came through with
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: his first and things like that. And so I think
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: that hurts it even more, like in terms of like
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: the grand scheme of what you're looking for from Bowman first,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: if you can't get some of the big names that
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: don't come through the draft in this product, it also
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: limits it on top of like everything else that you're
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: looking at in terms of pricing and limited availability and
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: just the entire checklist itself. So it is also like,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know that we get down on like
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: lots of these releases in terms of like the pricing
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: and kind of what's going on with fanatics and tops,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: but this one does feel a lot more scammy than
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: I think some of the other releases that we've gotten
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: into those conversations on have been, because usually, like when
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: they've been increasing the prices, it's coming with like hotter
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: releases and hotter stars. So like especially, I think a
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: lot of the increases we've seen on flagship products throughout
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four are because you know, Elied de la
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: cruizes and there, Paul Skeens is in there, all three
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: of the Jackson's are in there. Why Langford is in there.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: You've got these really nice, budding young stars that are
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: making it worth to rip those products. And even twenty
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: twenty three Bowman draft, like the prices were up in
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: this stratosphere where they are here for twenty four, but
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: it made sense because you had the Langford cards, you
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: had the Skins cards, And it does feel like Tops
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: is trying to pull it like one over on the
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: collectors out there that might not be quite as knowledgeable
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: from like a baseball perspective, because certainly, when you line
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: up like what the depth of the twenty twenty three
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: draft was and compare it to twenty twenty four, it
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: is apples and oranges. You're not looking at the same
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: kind of high end talent that happened in twenty twenty
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: four with that draft coming through, Like sure, you have
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: the names, like you have the Travis Benzana, you have
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: Jack Caglione, you have Haygen Smith, you have Chase Burns,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: like you have these names, but their outcomes, I think
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: in terms of their long term career and just proxi
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: image of the majors across the board as well, is
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: not quite the same level as what we saw in
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. So I think it is going to
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: be It could really be a big year for Bowman
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: and Tops in terms of like a reckoning within the
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: hobby of like finding that price point when if you're
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: ripping this product and you're collecting this product and you
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: can't get any sort of turnaround on it because the
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: names aren't as big, and the long term yield isn't there,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Like what does that do for Bowman Draft kind of
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: in the long run for all collectors? And so I
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: think it is a bit of an existential product for
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Tops overall. And maybe that's just us like looking at
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: it from the outside end, but you got to wonder
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: if they're kind of of thinking the same thing as
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: they're trying to capitalize on the back end of this
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: bubble as much as they can.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And what's I think interesting is you can go
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: get a box of Bowman Draft from twenty twenty three,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: get a hobby box. So we're talking about five fifty
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: six hundred bucks. Once you get tax and stuff in there,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: shipping all that, you can go get a hobby of
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: twenty three for like eight fifty, like with the skiings chase.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Don't forget Tom Brady was in that thing. That's right,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: there's that whole thing like and so that's what's so
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: interesting is like, even with what that would be considered,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: I think that the one of the hottest ones of
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: recent memory, it only appreciated a few hundred bucks to
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: chase the Paul Skins and things like that because they
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: just can't hold that like value. You can't when you
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: pull Paul Skeene's first Bowman like it barely based for
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: the box like and there's nobody in this checklist that's
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: going to do that that's gonna care. So I think
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: it is this we are hitting a point with this
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: product that is going to make things very very challenging.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, with all those things in mind, I mean,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: I guess where you're all ready going to see where
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: this conversation is going to go, is that it's gonna
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: make sense to chase singles of the players that you
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: want just based on the price between the actual wax
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: itself or I mean the prices through breakers are going
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: to be just as significant I think this year without
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: necessarily those higher end outcomes. So if you're going to
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: be chasing on the secondary market, what types of names
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: are you looking for in this product? Where you know,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: I rattled off some of the big guys, but are
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: there any kind of like second like tier or next
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: layer sort of prospects and people from the twenty twenty
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: four draft that are in this product that you're looking
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: at and you're saying, hey, you know what if I
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: find that at a car show in the dollar box,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: I'll tuck it away and just kind of like we
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: talk a lot on this podcast out letting rookie cards
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: and Bowman first cards marinate for a little bit, so
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: like any kind of players that you're going through here,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: and like you might be actively, like you know, watching
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: a little bit on eBay or like I said, usually
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: where I find these cards is out in the wild
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: at card shows. Find some of the parallels in the
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: first of the paper and the chrome in dollar boxes,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: and you can one way to easily do that is
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: flip it over and see, oh, this dude was a
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: first rounder, this dude was a second rounder. Just to
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: be able to line up a little bit, but anybody
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: kind of like bouncing, kind of like jumping out and
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: catching your eye from the checklist of saying, hey, you
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: know what, that's somebody where where he got drafted. What
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: the draft type is even like getting into the fantasy
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: realm a little bit too, Like where he's at on prospectless,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit lower than I would expect. I
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: think that this guy could pop into the next level.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you kind of messed earlier. You got
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: the big names, you got the Bazanas, you got the
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: Higgensmith's keg le Owns, Like those guys are gonna be
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: the voice talking about I think the kind of sneaky
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: area here is gonna be your high school hitters. And
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking it specifically like your Christian Moor's, your Bryce
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: Ray years, like those kind of guys that you know,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: in another draft would have gotten a lot more, you know,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Helium Older. We're talking top ten ish uh draft, just
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: I gotta check here for near was eleventh, uh and
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: more with eighth and those are the names you're not hearing.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: And even when the draft happened, it was like, oh,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of potential there and so for whatever reason,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: those guys haven't been there and they are further away.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: It's gonna take some development. But you're talking, you know,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: middle end field guys with pop, guys that got a
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: lot of potential, And I think those would be the
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: ones that I would be looking a little bit closer
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: at because everybody's looking at Bazana, everybody's been looking at
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: you know, kurtz Hagen's Caglion, Like that's those guys that
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: coming out of the four year universities that could be
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: up in a year two, especially because it feels like
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: teams have are the rule changes at Major League Baseball
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: give will give our buddy Manfred credit here has pushed
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: teams to bring these guys up sooner when they are ready,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: and the return windows quicker for those kind of guys.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: So that's where I'd be looking, uh, Like I said,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: kind of those those high school guys that have really
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: a good pedigree, and you know that's you know, maybe
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: not the autos. The autos are going to be expensive regardless,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: but you're especially, Yeah, you're looking at your chromes, you're
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: looking at your chrome variations and things like that. Those
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: are the kind of guys that you're like going through
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: the dollar box and you know, in a year two
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: and you're just gonna be picking up Bryce Nan You're
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: first for fifty cents a dollar and he's he's going
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: to be just working his way through this since a
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: system with the Tigers there and at some point he's
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: gonna be a big name. And we're all talking about
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: And that's the kind of thing that you can get
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: some value for Bowing Bowman Draft.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: I'm just not chasing it on release day. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: I totally understand. And fun and funny enough. The guys
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: that I'm kind of like eyeing are the two that
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: were picked right between the two guys that you were
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: talking about in more in Rainier, and I think Connor
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: Griffin and Stever King. Connor Griffin does have a lot
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: more helium than I think Steph King does, just especially
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: given Griffin's background of being a hot high school prospect
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: that came into the draft as a two way player
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: but is destined more so to bat with the Pittsburgh Pirates.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: But the more and more that I've been reading about
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Connor Griffin since the draft happened, I'm really starting to dig,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: like just what his overall profile is, and I think
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: that he's got some of the most like upper level
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: ceilings of anybody in this draft. It seems like in
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: terms of what the outcomes could be, and especially when
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: you look at players who have been two way players
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: and are transitioning into one role or the other, I
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: think that there's growth there. So I like what Connor
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: Griffin can do. Again, I think he'll be a little
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: hot out the gate price wise, but I think somebody
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: who you know going into next year, as you know,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: the prospect list gets get updated and he's not at
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: the top of them yet. He could get kind of
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: lost in the shuffle and it's going to take him
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit longer to get to the majors given
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: that he is a high schooler. And then the other one, Yeah,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: sever King came out of Wake Forest. I think that
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: he's just there's something about sever King where I've been
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: in this mode a little bit from the fantasy perspective too.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: The more and more I look at it, like, I
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: really like sever King is kind of like this really
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: athletic player who I mean, I don't think he's going
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: to ever reach like a Mookie Bets, like ceiling, but
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: like that sort of mold in terms of he's got
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of different routes to the major's shortstop, second base,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: center field, outfield, good decent back to ball skills, and
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: like just a well rounded athleticism that I like in
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: King that I could see him making a quick rise
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: to the majors through that Washington National system and is
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit more under the radar compared to some
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: of the really upper end players that we've talked about.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: So I think those are two guys where you can
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: probably find the singles a little bit easier. You know,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: again within a month, yeah, after like things kind of
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: kick off and go a little crazy. But if you
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: find them in really kind of value boxes, I'm going
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: to pick them up and tuck them away for their
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: MLB debuts.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: So basically what we've said is if you're in the
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: first ten to fifteen picks in your middle endfielder were interested.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, we've really made some groundbreaking analysis.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: Because the only gu guy that we didn't talk about
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: that was in the first fifteen picks that was in
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: the middle dfield. Well, there's two guys. One was not
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: in this product, which is Jaj Weatherholt, and the other
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: is Trevis Bizan, a number one draft pick. So really
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: really strong advice here.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: Guys, Yes, no problem, you know where to find it
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: cards and categories. So that is a good point too.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: So there are going to be some of the bigger
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: names missing and you hit one of them. JJ Weatherholt's
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: not going to be in this product, Charlie Condon's not
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: going to be in this product, and so it's actually
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: usually the tradition is the second pick overall doesn't get
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: a first Bowman until Bowman Paper the next year. This
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: is what happened with Dylan Cruz, Like he wasn't in
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Bowman Draft, but he was in twenty
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: twenty four Bowmen. They mixed it up a little bit
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: this year that they put Chase Burns in this product,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: so he was the number two overall pick to the
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: Reds is in Bowman Draft. Condon and weather Holt should
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: both be in twenty five Bowman Paper when that comes out,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: because that's just kind of the way that this ebbs
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: and flows, and Bowman obviously wants to get those first
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: cards out for these hot first rounders as quick as
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: they can so their next release will be Bowman Paper
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: in April or or March time.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that they that is making a
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: pretty strong Bowman Paper product in the spring there with
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: Condon and weather Hold. There's a few other for the
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: names there like it as well that are interesting as
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: far as you know some of the guys like uh, Morolanda, oh,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: honeycut Chanic, you guys like that. But I think they
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: did a good job. I'm guessing that they skip number
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: two being a picture and they're like, well, we'll take
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: the first hitter and first picture and then we'll make
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: because they tend to want a big hitter to be
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: that number one guy in that spring spring series. That's
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: what I'm guessing. That's where Condon's going. So I'm probably
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: more interested in what's coming in the spring. Yeah, But
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: maybe that's my little little bias.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: From my fans, little weather weather, little weather old bias.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think, honestly, I think hayesus Made is
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: probably going to come through in Bowman Paper as well too,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: who's been a hot infield prospect for the Milwaukee Brewers. Uh.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: They usually do something like that with La Cruz coming
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. Yeah, I think that was right,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: and so like, I think you're gonna see a pretty
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: nice Bowman paper product with Condon Weatherhold and then some
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: of you know, the hot DSL products or prospects. Okay,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: but with all that, let's get into some of the
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: more details of Bowman Draft in terms of what we're
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: looking at in designs and inserts in variations. So I
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: will say that this is also with the price point too,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: like maybe there's gonna be like more gimmicky things that
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: kind of come out in the news over the next
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: couple days or release, but surprisingly there's not too much
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: going on. Like you know, they've been burying historic Bowman
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: first in recent releases, between like the Cofaxes and the
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Pete Roses and Clementes, I don't think there's any of
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: those here in Bowman Draft, as well as like no
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: other kind of strange chases like you alluded to with
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: the Tom Brady last year. So that also kind of
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: makes the entire product a little harder to chew because
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: the only thing that I can really find that's like
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: a randomly inserted chase here in Bowman Draft is actually
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: maybe my favorite thing of this entire set is and
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: this is something that you'll definitely have to check out
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: the website to be able to see the pictures of.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: But they're putting in specially inserted packs where traditionally these
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: have been pearl packs in Bowman products where they have
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: pearl variation cards and other really like high end variations,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: but they've changed them to variety packs where the parallels
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: are sunflower seeds, peanuts, popcorn, bubblegum. And I love them.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: They look so goofy, but in like a very heartening, warm,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: fuzzy baseball way, just given that they're all baseball foods.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: And what do you think about these am I? Are
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: they too gimmicky for you? Or they kind of hit
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: that sweet spot of fun and baseball.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: They're like this this like somehow good gimmick, which is
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: really weird, Like and this is this is Midwest ballplayer
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: me through and through. Like there's nothing more Midwest than
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: those four things popcorn, sunflower seeds, bubble gum and nuts
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: for a ballplayer. And I mean it's it's you look
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: at the cards. They didn't overdo it, like I look
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: at like the Halloween parallels and some of that stuff
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: that the Tops has done recently, it's just like, all right, guys,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: like I don't need this card with all these bats
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: on it or all these umbrellas and things like that,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: Like these look like legitimate Bowman draft first cards and
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: there's just the border. You can kind of tell there's
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: something unique about them as far as you know, the
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: the favorite candies of times past type thing. I think
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: the bigger question for me is in a draft of
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: those four variety packs, are you taking popcorn? Are you
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: taking sunflower? Are you taking bubble gum? Or are you
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: taking peanuts? What is your ballpark favorite?
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: What a you?
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: What's your go to here?
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Let me look at these cards again, because they I mean,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: I think in terms of the design, the sunflower seeds
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: pop the most because it kind of almost looks like
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: tiger stripes and it just like it doesn't quite interfere
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: with the rest of the card the way that some
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: of the other designs do. And just like sunflower seeds
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: and baseball are are so much more synonymous to me
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: than kind of bubblegum, popcorn peanuts are that like there
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: is I don't know if there's any pictures of these
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: players too, with like you can tell like one of
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: them's got like a big wad of sunflower seeds, like
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: in in their mouth or it is like spinning out
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: some flower seeds, because that would take it to the
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: next level. But I have to go with some flower seeds.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: What about you?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you look at the cards, I
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: think the some flower seeds do stick out as probably
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: the the best design because you can you can tell
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: what it is, but it doesn't feel overly gimmicky. It
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: almost feels kind of like feeling dreams esque, like there's
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: something about it that that really pops. I do have
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: to say I have a soft spot for the peanuts.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: That that was always a go to in my playing days,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: that that the sunflower seeds with the peanuts thing for me.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: I have to admit I was also one of those
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: players that would eat the entire peanut because.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: You're an all peanut guy.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't know I'm an all I'm an all peanut guy,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: so don't take me to a ball game. I get
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: my money's worth out of those bags. It's also only
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: quite disgusting. So how did you even like chew it?
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: Without? Like? How did you? I just can't get it,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: Like I I.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: Just throw in the back of your your your pants
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: pocket in the game, you got you know, five six
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: me you take one in time, you toss them and
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: you chew them up. It's I mean, it's it's less
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: complex than the sunflower seeds, so there's less concentration on
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: the on what you're eating when you're playing the game.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: So I mean, it's it all just makes a lot
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: of sense. Those sunflower seeds. There's a lot of technique
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: in trying to get that seed out of that thing.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: You can easily miss a fly ball.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: I'm just telling you, Wow, Yeah, I didn't know sunflower
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: seeds were so difficult, but yes, now I know you're
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: a whole peanut guy.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: I'm noting that you've got a lot of nuggets tonight here.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: This is what we can't take weeks off from our
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: podcast here because we learned way too much late at
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: night exactly.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: And then let's get into some of the inserts that
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: we have here in Bowman drafts. So I would say
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: this is the other another portion that's just like another
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: knock on the product overall, because I think there are
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: some pretty solid inserts and Bowman usually the inserts have
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: been pretty solid over the past couple of years, and
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: they're bringing back spotlights again. I don't know if they're
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: ever going to get rid of spotlights at this point.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: They're very popular. Yeah, and if you're not familiar with
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: what these cards are, they are literally what they sound like.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Where it's just a car, it's a card of the
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: player on a black, blank background with a spotlight on them.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: So they really pop. They're they're great, they're super collectible.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: They've been in all Bowman products now for a couple
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: of years going on. The plasma powers look pretty good.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: They're pretty kind of classic refractory, lots of electricity and
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: movement and squirrels going on. And Draft Night is another
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: classic in terms of Bowman's you know, it's just pictures
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: of the players on the Draft Night getting picked. But
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: on the other end, like we commented actually a little
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: bit on this in terms of Tops Update and Tops
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Update Chrome having a few lazy designed inserts, and it's
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: carried over here to Bowman Draft. As I'm looking at
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: the inaction inserts, which is a picture of like the player,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: like it looks like it's in one of those clamshell
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: packs as an action figure. It doesn't work for me.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: It's just like the sizing of it all is a
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: little weird and like it'd just be more fun to
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: actually have action figures of the players and have a
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: picture of an action figure. The in tune is just
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: like an insert where there's a couple of speakers going
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: on and there's like it just feels overdone, like the
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: speaker and music stuff. You got to really take it
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: to a special level for me at this point, final
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: draft is I swear we've seen like different versions of
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: this sort of like lazy semi hip hop graffiti design
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: from Tops and Bowman Now all year in twenty twenty
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: four that like they just all feel black to me
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: in terms of it does feel like some of these
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: newer inserts just aren't cutting it in terms of the design.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's just me becoming an
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: old curmudgeon or if there's like an element of AI
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: like art kind of being interwoven here that we're starting
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: to see, but it does feel like a lot of
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: these inserts are starting to be half baked. What is
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: your opinion on them?
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it feels like there's a big divide within
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: even the product of like clean lines, very classic cards
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: like the spotlights and even just the design of of
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: Bowman this this year is is very much a classic
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: design and then they kind of stretch out a few
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: things like can like the stained glass and stuff like
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a stretch but like it
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: still can kind of work. And then they just throw
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: these in there that like it feels like they took
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: a different product and combined it. It's like they took
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: the designers from Big leaguecause they didn't do it this year,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: and then said, well, let's let's let's you try you
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: out on Bowman draft and that's where we ended up
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: with thin in tune. And like they, like I said,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: in action cards are odd, like I just I don't
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: know what to think about them. They're just like god
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: so and even the final draft ones like it to
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: your point, like is it ai? Like I it feels
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: like that they've really they couldn't land on a theme
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: for the product, and they just took like everybody's like
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: whatever they submitted at the end of the day for
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: they hit the deadlines, like Okay, you get a card
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: design and whatever you subment, we're putting in there, even
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: if it works or not. So that that's disappointing because
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: these are the cards like historically that don't hold value
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: because collectors collectors like things that are rare, that are
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: big names and that have visual appeal, and these just
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: they feel like a gimmick and they're not gonna maintain
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: that value over time because there's nothing special about it,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: nothing you know, really foundational that harkens back to like
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: the core of baseball. Like even though some lower seats
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: stuff like I could see that being like, yeah, that's
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: that is, you know so much baseball, and they it
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: was almost art right to day, just something there. So
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: I'm out on these. I was actually gonna ask you
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: to pick your least favorite, and I just don't like
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: them all, so.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: Not even gonna go yeah yeah, And I think that's
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: a great point on like they're just not being a
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: great theme that like that is something that I think
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: maybe that's a little bit of what we've been feeling
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: and expressing here, is that like over these past free releases,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: the inserts just don't feel linked together, that there doesn't
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: seem to be a rhyme or reason behind them, and
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: it would be certainly a lot more intriguing I think
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: if the inserts, you know, had an actual like even
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: if it's just like air water Fire sort of like
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: parallel themes so that you can kind of collect a
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: bunch of them and then like be able to put
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: them together as a collection. Where these don't kind of
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: motivate me to do.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: That, even like your flagship, like you have like your
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: thirty fifth anniversary cards every year and you're kind of
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: HARKing back to old classics and then the thirty fifth
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: anniversary goes through every year, and so like you can
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: go after your favorite players thirty fifth anniversary rookie cards
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: and things like. There is theming in different ways across
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: those products. And again they're doing it kind of spotlight
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: where they're carrying that over, but it's like all these
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: other things are just like throw it at the wall
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: and see what hits. And even like I I was
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: complimenting the etching glass variation, like that's not THEIRS, that's Prism. Yes,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: that's been the any Prism. They just stole that design
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: and so like it does feel like they're just kind
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: of tossing things of the wall. So that's unfortunate when
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: we're talking about a product that's going to cost you
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifty thousand. No sorry, it's on a
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: hundred fifty dollars. Sorry, it just feels like it's a
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars for the jumbo.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. Well, we still got a million
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: parallels for you to collect, even if it's you know,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: only seven hundred and fifty dollars a box ten one
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: hundred and seven to fifty thousand, and I just counted up.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: So we've got eight paper parallels, and that's not including
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: inch of the individual printing plates. We've got twenty three
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: chrome parallels of each of the two hundred cards in
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: the base checklist. Again, those twenty three chrome parallels do
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: not include each of the individual printing plates. I'm gonna
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: take it, take it hard on you. I was maybe
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: gonna take it easy and give you just the paper ones.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: But if you want to take a sip sip of water,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot over to you the readoff of the
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: the chrome parallels, all twenty three that includes the printing plates.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: Floor is yours.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: All right, Let's let's run chrome variations of Bowman Draft.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: We have your refractors. That's the only thing that we're
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: gonna is gonna be common here with out of the products.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: We got your sky blue refractors, you got your lunar
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: glow refractors, Purple refractor, sparkles refractor, future lunar refractor, blue refractor,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: your aqua wave refractor, your aqua lunar crater, your green refractor,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: your green grass refractors, so the green grass is coming back.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: Your steel metal refractor, which I feel like that might
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: be a newer one, unless I'm not remembering correctly, yellow refractor,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: yellow lunar crater, gold refractors. Of fifty orange refractors out
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: of twenty five, you're blacks out of ten. Your rose
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: gold which are fantastic refractors out of ten, your rose
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: gold lavas, your red lavas, your red refractors, and then
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: you got your printing plates and your superfractors. So definitely
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: a strong list, and most of those do actually look
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: phenomenal because I do feel like they did a good
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: job of sticking to your true refractors, your wave refractors,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: and then your lunar like lunar craters, your things like
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: that that have actually popped into other products and been popular.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: At least they carried that through. So that was a lot,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of variations on the chrome.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Good luck with that rainbow.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're getting to be a professional. To you. You
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: rattled through that list super fast to that that was
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: that's tough. I'm going to take the paper one all eight.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: Let's see, let's see if I can trip up over this.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: But we've got the standard sky blue in four ninety
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: nine for Bowman. Here the blue refractor, not sky blue,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: just regular blue, green of ninety nine, gold of fifty,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: orange of twenty five, red of five, black, one of
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: one's and then your four printing plates. So that is
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: your eight paper parallels, and I guess I should have
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: explained to distinguish it. The paper parallels, it's your kind
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: of standard baseball card stock, and the chrome parallels is
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: which you're looking at. You know, all of your standard chromes,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: your tops, chrome, your Bowman chromes. Those color variations will
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: be more significant on the chrome side, obviously more valuable.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: On the paper side a little bit less valuable, a
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: little bit tougher grade too, because I don't know if
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: I've ever gotten a Bowman paper color parallel that doesn't
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: have a nicked corner on it that's like a white corner,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: because they're just kind of tough to maintain with all
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: the cutting, so that in total gives you, again if
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: we're not counting each individual printing plate, thirty one total parallels.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: If you're going for any of these rainbows, I wish
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: you luck out there, because this is gonna be a
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: tough product to do that. And on top of it,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: that didn't include any of the sunflower seed or other
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: kind of crazy parallels. Plus I have a feeling there's
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: there's some other things probably buried in this product that
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: we'll probably have to revisit this in a couple of
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: weeks because we are discussing it pre release state, when
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: usually we're discussing it on release date and kind of
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: have all of the info and facts in front of us.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun It's a fun product. Like
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: I said, I know we lament about the price and accessibility,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: but it is it is. It is a pillar of
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: tops Bowman. It is a very important product of this release.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: So it'll be fun to see kind of how this
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: one holds up over time. Draft will be fun. It's
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: it's a good release, It's got some good products, got
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: some good players in it. Probably gonna stairway steer clear
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: for a while. I think we both suggested to do
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: the same, maybe playing breaks if you have to, But
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: I'd still wait even a few weeks before doing that.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: And then these are the things to go after card shows.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: I'd say if it was me, you're aiming like three
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: months out, like that March card show, before the season
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: gets going. That's when that's when to buy this kind
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: of stuff. It's gonna be plentiful. It's gonna all be
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: repped at that point, and you'll be able to get
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: some pretty cool, cool cards before the season kicks off.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I mean this is also something to
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: keep in mind. Maybe if you are gonna start like
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: a PC of one of these players, because you know
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: they are recent draftee. You know, I can think about
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: when I started this with wone che Bo or wone
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: bo Chow. Sorry that from the Cardinals. I rawed that
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: off too quick. He's my PC. I should probably know
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: his his his actual name. But that is kind of
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: like a calculus to navigate over the next couple of weeks. Yes, yes,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: as brew Co shows me a Chow card right now,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: but if you are starting one of the new PCs,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: certainly start kind of like hunting some of these cards
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: down and watching them on eBay, or or just kind
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: of like saving them and making sure kind of you
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: know where buyers have them, because they will disappear and
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: get tucked away pretty quick, especially if you have something
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: that is one of those shorter printed parallels that if
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: it is a strategy that you're going for, certainly you
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: know those are the types of cards where you have
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: to be very deliberate with them, and maybe you want
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: to bring those home. But otherwise, like we've been saying,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: probably wait a couple months, then admire these cards when
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: they're at shows to see some of these players and
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: their new photoshop threads on these Bowman cards as they've
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: recently been drafted. So I think with that we're going
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: to put a bow on Bowman Draft twenty twenty four.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: We're gonna wrap up this episode. It has been a
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: good marathon, but we've had a couple of weeks of
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: stuff to catch up on. Brew Let everybody know where
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: they can catch you on socials and reach out to you.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: Yep, find me Twitter, slash X and Blue Sky Jybrewer
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  Speaker 2: one seven. You can find us ramping up here probably
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  Speaker 2: in January over at ras Ball. So back to you Cooler.
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  Speaker 2: Where can for folks find you on the same places?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, yeah, you don't need to find me on Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: You can just come straight to Blue Sky find me
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  Speaker 1: there at m cool seven. You can find the podcast
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  Speaker 1: there now too at cards Categories, and you can email
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  Speaker 1: the pod at Ards Categories at gmail dot com. We've
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  Speaker 1: got some merch down in our show notes. If you
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  Speaker 1: want a hat or a shirt or a mug or sweatshirt.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think actually at this point you're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: delivery and time for the holidays, so maybe like a
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  Speaker 1: Valentine's Day present if you're looking for a Valentine's Day present.
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  Speaker 2: Elsewhere.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, we do have swag, come check it out.
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  Speaker 1: You can find yeah, my workover at rasball as well too,
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  Speaker 1: so you can find the post related to this podcast
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  Speaker 1: there where you can see pictures of some of the
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  Speaker 1: cards that we have discussed, as well as all the
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  Speaker 1: links to anything we've discussed. You can also find that
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  Speaker 1: in the show notes to wherever you're listening to us
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  Speaker 1: for this podcast and whatever platform you're listening to us
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  Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, we appreciate you putting in a
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  Speaker 1: rating review. It just kind of helps us disseiminate the
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  Speaker 1: pod and make sure that it gets on like other
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  Speaker 1: suggested lists and things like that, And we appreciate you
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  Speaker 1: sticking around if you've made it this far with us,
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  Speaker 1: We've had a great time talking Bowman Draft. We will
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  Speaker 1: actually be back, same time, same place next week, so
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  Speaker 1: we will see you then.