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Demons (1985) · Citizen Frame

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Music.
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According to an old legend, Nostradamus was buried here. Nostradamus?
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Sounds like a rock group to me. Yeah, top of the pubs in 1500.
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They had rock groups then? He did.
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So tell me Computer Frame. Well, he was kind of a fortune teller.
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A prophet from the 16th century.
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He predicted a whole mess of things that have come true.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Citizen Frame. And Halloween month and a half.
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We gave you that street treat, Amityville Horror. And now we're back again I'm
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just trying not to laugh here.
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With 1985's Demons I haven't seen this movie In fucking ages I just remember
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having a killer soundtrack I mean a killer soundtrack I'm talking Billy Idol, White Idol Accept,
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Fast as a Shark Motley Crue, Save Our Souls Rick Springfield,
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Walking on the Edge Go West,
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We Close Our Eyes The Adventure, Set in Art Saxon, Everybody
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And the list keeps going yep and it's
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very it's very much you know i mean obviously the
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director and writer is obviously a
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fan of this sort of rock music and it was obviously done
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to appeal to the sort of rock goth audience horror
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loving audience and that's totally fine by
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me because even in the cinema there's like acdc posters and
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stuff yeah i mean it's definitely it
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it's definitely made for the the 80s oh yeah at that
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audience the one thing the one thing about the 80s films
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they're 80s films were happy
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to be in the 80s so anything that was hot
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in the 80s was always embedded in that movie well this is it it's like you know
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i mean self-promotion of the 80s yeah but i mean but it's not only that i mean
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each decade of the 20th century had its own iconic look and style and different
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looks and styles and sort of vibe and aesthetic.
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See, since the year 2000, it's been just like 24 years of meh and sort of overly produced blandness.
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I mean, not all, obviously, but I'm talking about in popular culture in general
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with music, film, TV, you know, and it's just a bit, you know, worse, you know.
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Well, I mean, when the millennium hit, everything got kind of boring. Yeah, blonde.
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And 90s, you had grunge. You had drama cinema.
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You had the rebirth. Yeah, you had Tarantino. You had smart.
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Everything was different, but you know when it came out. You know what era it
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came out. You know why it came out at that particular time.
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80s, we all know. We did watch an 80s film.
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70s, we've talked about it night and day. Why you knew the 70s and so forth
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and so forth. the new from the 2000s on.
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Yeah and i now don't get me wrong guys there's great
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stuff out there but considering how much stuff's getting made but
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in the mainstream especially with music and film there is so much safe bland
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crap out there and with the music scene i blame people like simon cowell louis
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waltz and all those clowns who destroyed it with all those horrible reality
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programs were real, authentic talent.
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Didn't get a look in. Reality TV destroyed anything.
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No, in general. We talk, you know, Married at First Sight and all these dating
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shows and Survivor and Amazing Race, Big Brother. It's all shit.
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And DIY is all the big thing. It's what the fuck.
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It's cheaply made drivel and it's pure quantity over quality.
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Too many channels too much shit yeah i don't watch mainstream anymore so i can't
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i just can't deal with it anymore yeah i can't either so i don't bother yeah
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okay listen we're gonna jump back,
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rant over the demons 95 well we just that really went off the uh off the tracks
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there that was all planned yep oh before we start we have to mention,
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I won't mention the name, but it rhymes with a-hole.
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I know what's coming here. It's Trevor's wee birthday.
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Yes, it is indeed. What are you, 95? Well, I feel like it at times,
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especially doing this podcast, but now I'm 48, you know? Fucking old fuck.
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It's just, I'm fucking younger than you, but it's just another day to me.
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So, yeah, I mean, whatever.
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Yeah. As I was saying to someone today, due to my lifestyle,
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let's just say in my late teens and 20s, I feel so much better in my 40s than
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I did in my 20s mentally and physically.
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And you remember more. Exactly. Bring it on.
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I'm going to get a wee bit emotional here and a bit profound for the podcast.
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But you know there's a way saying that it's never regret growing old because
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it is a privilege denied to many so bring it on i say wow wow let's uh take
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a step back wow touching that was yeah,
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not as good as can you turn off those two fucking idiots yeah but that was just
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a different level of emotion you know that was you know i was just that just
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hit us right in the feels that one that That great review we got.
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Would you stop listening to those two fucking idiots? You know?
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I mean, we couldn't pay for publicity like that.
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All right. Demons, 1985. Yes. I've seen this like 12 times, but this is it.
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This is it. Now, it's kind of fun though.
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We've talked yellow films before with Deep Red and Mario Bava and Dario Argento.
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Now, I don't think this is really giallo. I think it's more just horror, mainstream horror.
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I would say if it had any sort of association in terms of Italian horror movies, I would say Fulci.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I read up on this in a little bit. Now, Alberto Bava is known for doing kind of fun Italian ripoffs.
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Like he did a film called Blast Fighter, which is kind of like Rambo.
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Then he had Devouring Waters, which was like Jaws.
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Blade of the Dark was actually pretty good. But his father is a bigwig in the business, Mario Bava.
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And he's a successful cinematographer and director, very talented man,
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did both on a lot of his films. He did Bay of Blood.
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Bay of Blood. He did Hats for the Honeymoon. My favorite, Black Sunday.
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Yes, Black Sunday is a classic. I brought up Black Sunday.
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Yep, because the reason I bring up Black Sunday is because the mask featured
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in this film is the mask, Satan's mask used in Black Sunday.
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Well, it's kind of like it. And he was paying homage to his father who passed
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early on by using the mask kind of inspired from Black Sunday.
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And I thought that was a kind of really full circle, kind of cool.
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I would even say that even the film within the film, you know,
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at this movie theater, which, you know, the fine deal sort of curse at home,
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it's quite gothic, you know, the whole Nostradamus and Raven stuff.
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Yeah. That even, there's certain sort of Black Sunday vibes about that as well.
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Yeah, it's definitely a Namaste to his father. And I think that's pretty cool.
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And it's nice the fact that this is, Lombardo Bava still around,
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still directing, to you, but nothing like he, this was his big success, this one right here.
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And a sequel as well, which I haven't seen. I haven't seen it, but I heard, you know.
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But, you know, and of course we know Dario Ajanto mentored him.
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He's actually a co-writer on this, co-producer and so forth.
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And also Roberto Bava also trained under Dario Ajanto, like I just said,
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but as an assistant director for Tenebron and some other stuff he's done.
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So he's worked closely with everyone kind of in this field.
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Um, so he's definitely had some, you know, like, like what, what you just mentioned.
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Roger Corman has done for American filmmakers. You've got Mario Bava and Dario
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Gento doing the same thing for up-and-coming Italians.
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You know what I mean? The sort of more experienced hands bringing in the new
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blood and mentoring them and keeping them right.
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That's the way it should be. Not just in film or horror, but I think in life. Yeah, yeah.
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Exactly. In life. Wow. You're so profound. bound this is poetic this wow who
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knew demons would be the film that trevor finds himself.
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I'm going on some sort of philosophical journey here with this and we're only
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nine minutes into it oh my god well there's always that much to talk about so
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we might as well keep going.
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What i love about this film i love and there's not many of them i know i'm missing
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a bunch i'm I'm just not remembering them. But I love movies that are within the movie.
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Yes. And this is one of the first films to really do it. There's some fun ones
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like Matinee is a good one, John Goodman.
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Popcorn's a really underrated one no one's probably heard of.
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The End of Shocker kind of does this a little bit. Yeah.
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Scream 2 actually probably stole from this with the famous death scene of Jada
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Pinkett Smith when she was getting stabbed in the movie theater during the movie's
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playing, but no one thought it was real.
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Well, also possibly even the original Scream where Randy is watching Halloween,
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while Ghostface is behind him and he's going by, you know, it's all very sort of meta.
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Yeah. You know, and jokes, that type of thing. Yeah.
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Okay. Yeah, exactly. So.
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It's got a lot going for it. It also reminds me of a Clive Barker story from
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his Books of Blood that's never actually been filmed called Son of Celluloid,
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a bit of a haunted cinema where it's within Clive Barker's story.
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It's not just a haunted cinema. The character, due to this living cancer, essentially,
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that this criminal has, you know, taken refuge in the cinema,
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has, it basically, it makes the, The cinema's in an old sort of church-type
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building, and it makes the people from the films actually come alive,
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but they're possessed by the demonic forces,
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this demonic force that comes from the living cancer.
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But I definitely got vibes of that from this, Demons.
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Okay. Great.
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I got nothing to add.
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I never read the book, so I couldn't speak for it. But yeah,
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the idea is kind of there.
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And so this one, we got George, Cheryl, Ken, Hannah, Kathy, Carmen,
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Ingrid, Rosemary, Blind Guy, Frank, and Tony.
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Here's the weird thing about this film.
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Yes, George and Cheryl are probably going to be the leads, I guess.
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But there's really no lead in this. It's kind of like just a bunch of supporting actors having fun.
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And I kind of like that. Yeah. I was okay with that.
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It doesn't take itself too serious, and it is more of an ensemble cast where
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everybody, well, everything's going crazy, and, you know, the demonic-possessed
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zombie-type creatures, you know, people are getting bitten.
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There's a lot of Romero in here as well. Oh, God, yeah.
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I would say Evil Dead, but without the same flair as Sam Raimi,
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but there's a lot to enjoy here.
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Well, you can, I mean, you got the Evil Dead, but you can also say Evil Dead
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2 took from this a little bit. Again, they all borrow from each other in some form or another.
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This is very well respected in the horror community.
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Yes. That's for sure. I love the opening with the 80s pop version of Goblin.
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And then I just think it's funny how there's a long opening scene,
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right? And you think Cheryl's being stalked.
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Obviously, she's not the man behind the mask giving her the little ticket.
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And so I got love. Well, technically, he is stalking her because he's setting her up.
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You know, her and her friend who's playing a teenager. No, he's not because,
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no, that's where I'm about to get to here.
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Before you really interrupt me, Mr. Profound. Right.
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So, she's on the train and then she sees images of the man behind the mask,
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like a reflection on the train. Why the fuck's that even happening?
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Oh, it's just to be sort of, I don't know, atmospheric type thing.
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Yeah, see, that's something Linz would fucking do.
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And that's what, that's what, oh no, your boy Edgar's. so
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that's what bothers me I don't mind you want to be
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Archie Farchie and do something different but don't put something in there
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for the fucking sake of putting something in there going what the fuck and you
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have no explanation for it but it is sort of it's man behind a mask and tall
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sort of creepy but sexy ginger girl who it's very much suggested they're behind
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us knowing that the film is cursed and they're getting people to get them possessed,
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she has nothing to do with this Cheryl no I'm not talking about Cheryl No,
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but they're looking victims.
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I'm talking man behind the mask. Oh, you're talking Ingrid. Yeah.
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You're talking about the usher, the girl. Yes, yes, yes. The usher.
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Yeah, her and man behind the mask. But what does that have to do with what I'm talking about?
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Oh, no, I'm just saying. I sort of, I got from what you were saying.
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That has nothing to do with what I, you know, you should have piggybacked on
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what I said. Not going off to a fucking whole new topic.
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What I'm saying is they're peppering. You know why you don't want to argue with
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me on this one? Because you know I'm right.
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You fucking got a hard on for Eggers. because you've got a fucking hard-on for Lynch.
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They pepper in the shit, and you're like, oh, my God, it's masterpiece material.
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Well, this is stupid. See that scene? This is stupid. This was amateurish, him doing this.
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No, I totally got it. I totally got what he was doing. Okay, okay.
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So, all right, maybe it was a bit, but you know what? So what?
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He's just, you know, he's playing around. But in my head, it is sort of, it's basically,
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it's sort of setting up sort of
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man behind the mask as the big bad
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which he sort of turns out to be yeah yeah we'll
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discuss some later on because he doesn't he doesn't target her he just gives
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her their thing and then she goes back to him asking for another one for her
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friend Kathy who looks about 40 yeah well they're college students yeah right
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mature students yeah well Cheryl certainly looks the part,
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She's cute. Yeah. I liked her. I like when you go to this theater, the Metropole.
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Yeah, it's very European. Very European. It's kind of cool. And you walk in
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there and there's these two beautiful prints, and I want them,
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of Terminator and Creepshow.
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There's also some brilliant posters in the cinema, if you look closely,
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Nosferatu. Oh, but those are more like hanging.
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There's actually two framed beautiful prints. When they walk in,
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you see the bike featured in the movie and the mask, right? on the bike there.
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On the left and right side, there's two beautiful Prince of Creepshow and Terminator.
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And there's a pretty cool bike there too, which comes into play later on.
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We're talking about Samurai Bike Guy.
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Yeah, Rambo Bike Samurai Guy. Yeah.
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I do like the way it works when it quickly introduces the characters.
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You've got Ken and George.
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You've got Tony, who's the badass. I think he's a pimp.
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They're hookers. Yeah, with Rosemary. I think one or two more called Rosemary.
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And they wanted the first one to get it. And you got the blind guy.
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You got Frank, who's kind of a dick.
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You got all these different characters. And they all have, they literally have
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over-the-top personalities to let you know who to differentiate who each one really is.
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And I do enjoy that they did that.
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And they do it when the movie's playing, because they're talking to it.
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One guy goes, shut up. And you know who's the aggressive one.
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Yeah, apparently the inclusion of the blind guy was a joke because the joke
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is basically, why would a blind person go to a... But he's taking his daughter.
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Yeah, who's also having a bit of, as you would say, yum-yum time with some other random older guy.
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But here, let us not forget the badass punks who...
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Well, yeah, we haven't been introduced to them yet. But the guys who start Coke, literally Coca-Cola.
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Yeah, and then they spill it all over the car. And then Mr. Bottas is like,
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you fucking pick all of that up.
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So the movie, you know, it's funny. I looked it up. There's no title for the
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movie. They never tell you. Right.
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Are you sure? I looked it up. Positive. Couldn't find it. Hey,
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if anyone listens to this podcast, if you can send us a shout on Facebook or
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Instagram, let us know what the title of the film is.
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I looked it up. I couldn't find it. Yeah, the film. All I thought, all they tell you.
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That it is, they did take from the evil dead.
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And it's about two couples sneak their way to an ancient burial ground that
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is the ledge to hold the bones of Nostradamus and their encounter,
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their own demon infestation.
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And once that happens, it happens in the theater. And it also brings to mind H.P.
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Lovecraft and M.R. James. Their stories were very much, you know,
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antiquarian sort of, you know, buildings, you know, or characters,
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you know, going to these remote buildings and finding graves or cursed sort of books.
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So, yeah, there's, I mean, Bava here, our son of Bava, certainly knows his stuff.
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Yeah, I mean, despite some of the execution being a little,
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I don't mind that because the guy is at least, you know, he did his homework
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and studying his father's work, Dario Gento's, Sam Ramey's, maybe a little Lovecraft
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in there, maybe even Barker.
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So the guy's well-versed and well-read in this field, in this genre.
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So you can appreciate that.
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And I also will appreciate the gore is quite effective.
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It's quite creepy. creepy it's kind of creepy but their
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eyes when the yeah it almost looks like he's when he
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when he's ripping skin it almost looks like
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his paper almost but it's done to the point where it's crude and
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it kind of works yeah and also and it's fun but also i would say whenever they
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change especially the first few changes of you know the hookers and stuff whenever
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their eyes go yellow and you know they're talking demonically and stuff that's
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pretty creepy yeah i mean we'll talk about my favorite my favorite shot is promised
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it's the poster when they think they're
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okay and then you see all these um zombies coming
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up from the concession stand and it's
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all blue behind them and then you just see their eyes and their shadows shining
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yeah quite quite fucking creepy i think it's on their paw i think it's the poster
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shot and it's very zombie plague romero type but putting his own sort of touch
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to it yeah putting his own spin on it and that's okay and because it certainly
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does work the guy he's got talent But there's some issues.
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There's some issues but i but the funny thing is there's not much to talk because once rosemary,
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gets pops her zit and things just go apeshit yeah
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and then she she claws her other friend in the neck that's where everything
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starts just going out actually her what's a really good scene as well it's when
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her friend is you know obviously she's being you know sort of scrapped along
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the neck by by her but whenever she's before she turns and she she goes behind the cinema screen
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and that's where she turns and it's actually really well done.
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Yeah. That's what I was talking about with Scream 2. Did that a little bit with
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Jada Pickett-Smith? Yes.
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And, and her screams are covered by the sound of the screams that are going on in the film.
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Yeah. And so they kind of play on that. And the one girl's quite smart.
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I think it was Kathy who caught it going, something's going on here, guys. This is legit.
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And, and that's where everything goes apeshit because she turns and now I, I do,
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I do love when the blind guy gets his
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eyes ripped out of The poor bastard Yeah I know But that
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probably Wouldn't have hurt him anyway So you know Yeah Well no It probably
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would have Yeah well His eyes are still there probably I'm not I'm not really
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an expert On sort of the Oh you're not an expert When your eyes get ripped out
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No Not yet anyway You'd be numb When they're ripped out By demons You know Oh well.
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Yeah, like, there's some fun stuff here, like when the two are making out,
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the daughter of the blind guy and some doofus, and she's strangling with the
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rope as they're making out.
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I would say that all of the young, with the exception of Cheryl,
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every single one of the young characters in this film are complete and utter dipshits. You know?
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They're idiots. No, I think George is all right. George is all right,
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but he's like Poundland Rambo, you know, with a samurai sword on a motorbike later on.
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Yeah it's me it's a dick i like some of the effect ken that was ken yeah i like
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some of the effects where the tongue comes out and then you see her there's
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a nice shot it's kind of gross,
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her all her teeth are falling out as they're being replaced by fangs yeah really
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good really well yeah and there's also one later on where it's basically cheryl's
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friend what do you call her as a Cathy, isn't it? Cathy.
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Cathy, where it's like a demon literally climbs out of her body, you know?
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It's really well, it's really effective. Yeah, it's got some cool shit in there.
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And, and so when they, when all the shit kicks down, kicks off,
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they all run to the, you know, the exit, obviously.
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And they start ripping down the doors and the doors are coming up.
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Are they blocked? Are they cemented in? Is that what happened?
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Well, I got the impression that the demonic force that it caused them to become
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demons had basically locked the doors because it's sort of suggested later on
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when dipshit punks arrive and the door opens for them that that's caused by the demonic force.
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No it's not the blind guy got out remember yes I know him as well but yeah well
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suppose yeah it could be explained by that actually and that's why all the chaos
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happens outside because the blind guy gets out and attacks the cops.
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Yes that's right but I very much got the
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impression that it was a demonic force that was
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keeping them in the cinema plus the fact their
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their own dipshit force which was making them
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stupid yeah i just i just didn't get that because they knocked down the doors
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and then there's another wall there so i don't know if that was just yeah maybe
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some i don't know i don't okay i do like that there is quite a lot of this left
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their own imagination like what were the reasons what were the motives behind sort of
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a guy in a mask and Usher creepy girl
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and stuff but I like how that's left sort of unanswered
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well I don't like that myself because they
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do have Demons 2 and I looked at the cast and Demons 2 has none of these guys
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in it so it's a different story I think yeah I heard it's a different story
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so I'm not going to bother to revisit but yeah during this chaos there's some
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nice stuff like that woman getting scalped is pretty good but I like the fact
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that you had Tony, Ken, George,
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George and I can't remember the other guy.
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They're trying to keep Rosemary from coming in and she's going fucking apeshit
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through his door. Yeah. And they all, they all help each other.
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Yes. They bond together. And I like the fact the all, I mean,
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yeah, a lot of it doesn't work out for them because they're idiots,
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but I do like the fact that the, there's no bickering, blah, blah, blah.
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You know how you always have the infighting going on or something.
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There's always something.
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Although that can add to the drama, but I, I, you know, I, yeah,
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I see what you're, I get what you're saying.
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You don't have time for drama on this. Well, I think it could.
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You can't take a, you can't take a piss. Well, I think it could have done with
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taking its breath a bit for a bit of, because it does from,
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certainly in the final act, it does go a bit too chaotic and a bit too crazy
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in that you're like, what the fuck's going on here? You know, what's happening here?
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And I think it could have done with a time sort of stepping back a bit just
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for the audience to catch their breath and having a bit of drama between the characters.
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Maybe a bit of dialogue of them arguing, you know, over who was going to be
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the leader or what to do or whatever.
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However, I did like, however, with the pimp guy who is a bit,
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yeah, he's a bit of a, he's a badass at first, but then he like helps him,
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but then he of course gets, gets bitten and he becomes one of the demons.
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Yeah. He's kind of like everything.
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He's like the Chris Rock of the team because he always yells everything. Yeah.
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Yeah. And then, but he's goes, he's goes out like a badass. He takes two of
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them over the edge. Yes. Of the balcony and then they have to cut the rope.
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Yeah. Uh-huh. But I think he would have been a better maybe leader of the gang
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than George. But George did his best.
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And he did quite well. Well, he survived, so he did all right.
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Yeah. But as his chaos has gone, they go up to the projector booth,
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and they find out the projector booth is manual. Not manual, automatic.
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Yes. And there's nobody running it. So they try to destroy the film is what they do.
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But that's why I wish we had some kind of reasoning here.
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Like they found like the necrocomma book or something something
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that give us something what the fuck's going on here we needed
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that moment and maybe that's the downtime we needed a downtime for
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them to assess the situation yes whenever we are catching
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our breath a bit where we're gonna be felt too much but filled in
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a little with the reasoning behind us because basically from
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about the halfway mark it's just
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wall-to-wall craziness which is okay in and of
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of itself but sometimes i think it's good and better
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to like you know step it back a bit you know
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just for people actually know what's going on yeah there's a movie that's like
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this that's non-stop chaos and it's intense and fun but they knew when to give
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us a moment to reflect and that's traded but again they do that really well
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and we'll definitely get to that trilogy soon.
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But yeah, I do like all this chaos. You got Motley Crue playing.
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You got Saxon playing. Just fucking nuts. And then a custom go west.
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We close our eyes, and we meet these fucking idiots.
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Nina, Baby Pig, Ripper, and Hot Dog. And these guys, I think it's funny.
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I was like, are we watching Mad Max again?
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But yeah, they're just coke heads. And so we spent, here's the problem.
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The movie's an hour and 28 minutes. and you kind
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of said it yourself they needed more downtime
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and that downtime should have went to the people in the theater and
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give us more of that these guys should agree completely there's
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really they do nothing for the plot no point no
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point they had nothing yeah this film and quite frankly it takes you out i agree
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it's the film um totally the downtime like you say should have been given to
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the main characters in the cinema instead of these absolute clones who are the
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least convincing badasses ever.
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Oh, God. It would be kind of funny in something like a Mad Max film,
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but they should have been cut from this.
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Oh, in a heartbeat. Yeah. In a heartbeat. Yeah.
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Let me ask you, there's a scene where they find a mystery building or something,
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they knock down a wall, and they find a separate area.
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And they walk in, and they suddenly saw the wall. So it's kind of nowhere to
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go. So they're just trapped in the wall.
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And the girls start going apeshit. Did I miss something, or are they just screaming
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because they're panicking?
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No, they're screaming because they're being pursued by carnivorous demons.
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That's all there is. Yeah, but everything was calm.
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They found that, and yeah, they found out there's no way out.
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But the girls start going apeshit.
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I was like i was like well there by the
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way that's nothing way too much screaming i know yes you
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would have some screaming but in the cinema you kind of want
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to calm that down a bit after a while well i can sort of understand the screaming
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you know i mean what do you want stuff no you didn't you can't have
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you can't have you got to put it in somewhere then because the
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problem is from around the halfway mark onwards there's too much random stuff
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going on here in in so many ways and it you don't really get a chance to actually
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become emotionally involved with the characters or also add the story it's just
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a bit too chaotic still fun but but chaotic,
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So when George gets on the motorcycle and becomes Samurai George.
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Yep, Rambo Samurai George, yep.
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I got to ask this. Where the fuck do helicopters come from?
28:30
Beat me to it. Random helicopter falls through the roof.
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I can only presume it's a police helicopter that was sitting on the roof,
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but it is never referenced before or even after.
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Just a random helicopter falls through the roof.
28:45
You know they might get away with it because when you go
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outside all the chaos has gotten bigger because the blind
28:51
guy got out attacked the cops and now it's snow well that's what
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they want to do they want to basically take over the world and yeah
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so that's what's happened i'm assuming you're right
29:00
it's a place or reporting cop or whatever i thought
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was like a reporter's you know like a hell but it
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doesn't even say like news 11 or something on there so i
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i wasn't i was oh no no no it's and while
29:13
we did have a couple of good deaths with the propellers they do you like the
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deaths rip the guy's face off they did miss a trick presumably during the budget
29:21
of having george and cheryl fly back fly back up on it but i'm presuming that's
29:27
down to budget or the fact that they're two dipshits who can't fly a helicopter,
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no you can't say george dipshit because he's the samurai george of the motorcycle
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and then he He builds a fucking harpoon gun.
29:41
He's Rambo. Out of spare parts to get them to the roof. So the guy's pretty smart.
29:45
He's West German Rambo. Fuck.
29:49
So I love how I just, I'm still shocked at the helicopters. Where the fuck did
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this come from? But you know what though?
29:56
The movie's kind of a chaotic mess. It's almost like a first-time director,
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and he's somewhat of a first-time director, where he's given a free range,
30:06
and he's just going with crazy batshit shit, giving me crap.
30:10
It's not crap. It's actually well done. It happens, but you just don't understand why it's happening.
30:16
Well, it's almost like maybe even the studio or something who was producing
30:20
it for him said, oh, by the way, we have a helicopter here that we'll use in
30:24
another film you can use if you want. and he's like thinking to himself,
30:26
yeah, helicopter, stick that in. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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Motorbike, fuck yeah, stick that in. Yeah. Samurai sword, there we go.
30:36
So, yeah, it does feel like it's just a bit, it's like certainly the helicopter
30:40
anyway, it's just thrown in.
30:42
Actually, the motorbike scene actually reminded me of Kevin Dillon in The Blob. Oh, Jesus.
30:49
We just need that sweet, sweet mullet. Well, yeah. I mean, what a mullet.
30:54
So when George saves them, gets them up there, obviously Faceman is there and
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he's going to kill George.
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Actually, I thought it would have been better if George kills Faceman,
31:07
but Faceman kills Cheryl.
31:09
It would have been better because the ending we get with Cheryl is terrible.
31:12
And I do like Metal Face's death with the nails. Yeah, it's pretty gory.
31:19
It's pretty gory, 90s nails. Yeah.
31:24
When they get up to the rooftop, they realize the whole town is affected now.
31:28
Which I'm fine with because I can understand when blind guy and the cops,
31:33
it all snowballs. That's fine.
31:35
But when they get picked up by the Jeep and they're like, we're going to the farmland.
31:39
Well, hopefully we'll find a new way of life. A pretty new way.
31:42
And I'm like, wait a minute. Where did you guys come from?
31:45
Also, and this is most importantly, how do you know this?
31:48
You probably knew about this five minutes ago.
31:51
How are you all so well prepared? The kid, the blonde
31:54
kid in that Jeep is the same kid from Fuji's The House by the Cemetery who is
32:00
a really weird role in that House by the Cemetery in that the kid well certainly
32:05
for the English version of it the kid in it is dubbed by an older woman and
32:11
it just gives this really weird,
32:13
although I mean it's a pretty surreal and sort of trippy film anyway but it
32:17
just not only that, the older woman's voice dubbed with this kid
32:22
you know apparently you know speaking the lines is it
32:25
comes across as really sort of weird but
32:28
also it grates on you so but but it's it's surreal but that's the same kid from
32:34
that film and he was like the sort of go-to creepy italian kid for horror films
32:39
in the 1970s and 80s you know and trust me he's a creepy wee shit especially
32:44
in house by the cemetery yeah like that creepy Phoebe Baxter from Children of the Corn.
32:48
Yeah. Isaac the Molokai. I love them. Isaac.
32:53
So they're in the Jeep, and a second goes past, and Cheryl's turned.
32:58
Usually it takes a minute or two. It takes a while for you to turn.
33:00
It's just for a final scar, a final jump.
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And so Cheryl dies, and George is like, oh, there's a hot blonde in here anyway. Fucker.
33:09
Yeah. I don't give a shit. It's just for the simple sake of a final jump scar, a final scar.
33:15
You know, this, I don't know, this movie's just fucking chaotic mess.
33:21
But entertaining. It really is a mess.
33:22
But it's entertaining, isn't it? Oh, 100%. It's really enjoyable.
33:26
And from a nostalgia point of view, it brings me back to an era where horror
33:32
films like this were over-the-top gory and crazy and stuff, but they were never
33:37
nasty. They were just fun.
33:40
Yeah. You know? Yeah, they're definitely that. And that's exactly what happened.
33:45
Hey, I can see it now, I can see the conversation Hey Pavel,
33:48
come here, what? We've got a helicopter over here What?
33:52
Yeah I don't have any helicopter feature in the script, who cares It's through
33:57
the roof They literally throw it through the roof,
34:01
You know, they talk about that there It's a douche ex machina ending,
34:06
an act of God Well, it's quite literally here, but with a helicopter.
34:10
You know, but You know, I I, stuff like this, you know, I will always have a
34:19
great smile on my face while watching them, you know what I mean?
34:21
And there's all the super gory bits and you're like, oh, I know,
34:24
but it's just, it's ghostly and horror, a lot of fun.
34:28
Yeah, I mean, it is fun. It's got issues, of course, but it kind of,
34:33
the issues kind of add to the fun of the film. Yeah, totally.
34:36
And so God love him and he's probably had a budget and just,
34:41
yeah, just went fucking crazy he just went for it.
34:45
We can't explain that. Ah, they'll figure it out.
34:47
You know? It's not important. It's not important. He's probably right.
34:51
And I guarantee you, he explained it right. Yeah, the blind guy caused all the
34:55
others, all the people getting, you know, from outside the theater getting it.
34:59
And he's probably like, yeah, see, he got it. I don't have to show anything.
35:02
No, give me the helicopter.
35:04
Let's put a bunch of badass punks.
35:07
And I love how the helicopter happens to land right where all the chaos really
35:12
is. Yeah, just how convenient.
35:16
Yeah. Apparently the censors, surprisingly, I think, and I'm not too sure about the US,
35:21
but I think in the UK the censors did not really have that much of an issue
35:26
with the gore, but more the scenes of the idiot punks taking the coke and spilling it for some reason.
35:34
I mean, yeah, like when he's doing the razor blade on her nipple.
35:37
Yeah, that's quite weird. This is a little, this is not necessary.
35:41
This is, this is, no, no, I'm not prude, but this is a fun film.
35:45
I mean, I'm enjoying myself. And now you're putting this in there.
35:48
I can understand. Or it's just more random. And I can understand.
35:51
I can, no, I can just understand where the censor's going.
35:54
Why did you put this in here? It doesn't go with it. That's probably what they're saying.
35:59
I would agree that it's unnecessary, but I wouldn't have censored it because
36:02
it's not my place to censor.
36:04
And, you know, I wouldn't have censored it, but it is unnecessary.
36:08
In my place, I am censor Mary. Mr. fucking Mary Whitehouse.
36:12
I'm a fuck off. I'm not at all, but it's completely, I think it's unnecessary.
36:17
It takes you out of the film. I think maybe what you mean.
36:21
I want that five minutes back of us fucking eating coke heads and put it back
36:26
into George's and Cheryl's story.
36:28
Well, I think maybe what you mean is not censored, but edited.
36:31
So there is obviously, of course, a world of difference. So,
36:34
yeah, I'm sort of agreeing with you there. You know, but yeah,
36:38
not censored, but possibly edited.
36:41
Yeah, I don't care about them showing nipples or anything, but it had no place
36:44
in the film. I would agree with you there. It was unnecessary.
36:47
Yeah, I own it. I got it on 4K, and I just watched it.
36:52
Come on, you put a smile on your face, you enjoy it. You know what it is?
36:55
It's amateur Romero on steroids. Yeah, with a bit of Sam Raimi, Barker, all the rest.
37:00
And a little trauma. A little trauma. Yeah, it's dad, you know?
37:05
They're all thrown into the mixer, and that's fine by me.
37:09
Yeah, and he made it his own. So good on them. All right, guys,
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we're going to wrap this up. Next up, Salem's Lot.
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It's out, people. It's out. I'm going to watch it later.
37:21
And I'm looking forward to it. I listened to the reviews. There's a couple of
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magazines I respect. I watch and listen.
37:27
And it's getting, it's not bad. And that means I'll probably like it because I'm a sucker.
37:33
But we'll see. It's got a good cast. And I'm looking forward to talking about
37:36
that one. Do you think it'll be as good as Return to Salem's Lot?
37:39
Oh, me taking the shit is better than return to Salem's lot.
37:46
Fucking hell. A scurrier?
37:50
Wow.
37:53
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