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Clara Usón: "El mundo de ETA, es un mundo machista. La violencia se entiende como algo consustancial al varón” · Autoras de palabra con Rosa

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  One afternoon in September of the year nineteen hundred and eighty- five, a
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  man was shot at at the threshold of his house in a city of Hipcaya.
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  His ten- year- old son was also injured. He would die
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  two days later in the hospital without regaining consciousness. His wife suffered an anxiety
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  crisis and the other daughter of the marriage was abroad. When the facts happened,
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  the clear beasts used in word authors with welcome pink. Thank you Rosa,
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  as much as being with you, for a pleasure I told you two
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  seconds ago that the reading is very good. It' s exciting. This
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  story is going to say ninety- five percent real. Now you' ll
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  tell me and take us to those who are already an age at those 80
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  ' s Thank you, I don' t mean that. What I like
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  is that the impression is that everything seems to be real. But today the
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  reality part and there' s a hard part and I relate them. I
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  make that an entrail. I intellect real characters with fictional characters. For that
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  you have to be quite careful, because the real characters and besides are alive
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  and as is the case of my novel that we have nested today at the
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  lost year and better known as the tigers and you say, you have to
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  have what you can love and what not, etcetera. Zero is already the
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  third time that I use this formula and it is to me, as I
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  mean, always part of a lately part of a real character. The latest
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  novels have been women, that is to say, the daughter of the East
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  and the shy assign have been women victims and here she is a victim.
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  It' s the starting point. There' s not much more of a
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  victim. Indeed, who are the wild beasts? To begin with, they
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  are all the wild beasts, because, besides, I like to use this
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  female plurar, which is very unusual, because quite a few journalists, when
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  they ask me, understand that the ranks are the two people, the sides,
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  the main rotagonists. I' ll tell you one them too because I
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  also look up to them is that wild beasts have a feminine plural. So
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  they' re all wild and all or wild because circumstances, to a large
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  extent, some by personal decisions where they' ve gotten into it and others,
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  in the fictional part, because they' re living in a situation,
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  in the very harsh, very difficult circumstances, that inevitably, no matter how
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  much they don' t want to, they' re going to influence them
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  and they' re going to lead them to make decisions. I was starting
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  the interview with the introduction to your book. Above all, it' s
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  important because, besides, you point out it' s dehumanization, because I
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  haven' t given names, because they' re not there. The dehumanization
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  of good, because the journalistic jargon for referring your words and the dehumanization of
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  a terrorist, because at that time, as you point out, there were
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  so many attacks, that there were certain violent deaths that might not be said.
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  You invest them so much, they take us so much into account,
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  especially from every press. Yeah, well, of course. The problem is,
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  it was so common. Every day we showed ourselves with an attack that
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  then the press had no space, because if it had given all its pages
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  to such attacks there would have been nothing else. Then, there is inevitably
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  a choice and there are more serious attacks than others depending on the person who
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  has been attacked or the number of victims. That seems cruel, but the
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  reality is that there is no space. So this is one of those attacks
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  that, because it has no relevance and the victims it is not very clear
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  what has happened And then, then, it goes unnoticed. But yeah,
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  that' s one of the things that pay attention to me in the tea
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  attacks when it has so many dead and those dead have not very exact.
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  You know that dehumanization of itself, that' s just resulting in figures,
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  and that must be tremendous for the right guy. And besides, it'
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  s still happening. Yeah, I got out too much of the story,
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  because when you see I' m going to set an immigrant example that comes
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  to Spain and they say I don' t know twenty dead, obviously dead,
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  but when they teach you, they show you one or they give you
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  life, the life you really have, you seem to pay more attention.
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  Unfortunately. So the numbers are Anesthesia. Then we see nothing but lumps.
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  No, then when they tell you there' s already a child and then
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  that child takes a picture of the child and tells you that I had another
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  picture of him with his parents. Yeah, that' s what you do.
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  That' s right. Truly, not a single dead person affects us
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  much more than twenty. The other thing is already, then, for statistics
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  and good for that I was this book. Among other things, yes,
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  the sieras. One of them has already been the tigress. We' ll
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  talk because I wanted to be a firefighter, and I' m sorry.
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  But instead of saving certain lives, you wanted to save many more. That
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  dogmatism that speaks so much the new yes. That, moreover, is a
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  recurring abscessory, not because it already comes from his daughter, is that how
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  the dogma we are talking about, the nogma of nationalism. No yes,
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  it is the most religious thing that all these dislamic attacks or in their lives
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  the crusades, but now it is the one that functions as a religion.
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  It is a dome that does not admit, admits doubt, it is an
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  absolute dogma and those who adhere to it, for, even as parishioners and
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  those, they have to do absolutely everything that is then told them that dogma.
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  In addition, it has a dome that tells you that there is a
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  higher end, which is an extractive idea in this case is the homeland,
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  that idealized homeland of all mecionisms, that is, not only in this case
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  the Basque, all that idealized homeland, that is good. If we consider
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  the higher value of the lives, of those of the people who make up
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  that homeland, suddenly they also become anonymous and become people, therefore, available.
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  And then they tell Idoria riaño that she is willing to believe that if
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  she, instead of being a firefighter, is engaged, gets into a net
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  and is dedicated to taking lives to save a homeland, she was a far
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  superior good. And she accepts it and believes it and considers herself a dialogist.
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  And that' s part of what for me has the fascination of this
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  character like any other, not, like any or. In addition, they
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  are usually very mediocre people. You have to do that as it can be,
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  how that commandment can be, not only religious, but moral and legal.
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  It' s not gonna kill you suddenly tell yourself there, decay here,
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  decay down this top axis and not only can you, but you must
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  kill homeland or death. Pat moete as they said in Cuba of the Revolution,
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  which is something that I read for the year at that time when when
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  Ahorita started well, we started in the eighties or so even before to see
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  it was not the only terrorist movement of the left let' s say and
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  in this case nationalist that they were also because it had happened. He knew
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  the Cuban reduction was a great reference for all of them and, in the
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  case of Algeria' s independence as well, the moment of Algeria' s
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  liberation. Then they were, because in Italy also e- mail Fuck,
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  that is, it was like the IRA, it wasn' t just us.
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  It wasn' t like a phenomenon, because all of these phenomena end
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  up being like Hopic cat, as global. It doesn' t look like
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  it then and I' ll put it on the line. She had just
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  idealized che Guevara and she would have liked to be damaged. Chiquiebras' partner
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  has already been sent to post propaganda posters, first because she is a girl,
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  second because she is young and third, perhaps she has just arrived.
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  Yeah, well, that' s something that and I understand it started like
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  that, not because there' s a part at last, yeah, yeah,
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  sure. Moreover, it is true that it is a very macho world,
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  the world of terrorism everywhere is almost always men, there are few women
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  and the few women there are, as the case of Ido and even if
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  I already deny it, they enter or net most, I am also,
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  come into the hand of a boyfriend. It' s not by any,
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  so most of it wasn' t given the opposite circumstance. Not always that
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  subordinate side role, although then she shone with her own light much more than
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  her partner, her boyfriend then, Miguel takes angel VI, I think it
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  was a name and yes, of course, I understand that to the clear,
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  man is stronger violence. It is understood that it is as with substance
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  to the male. In fact, I believe that more than ninety- five
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  ninety- eight percent of the experience, because there is that hand of men
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  and women. And this I' ve read you interviews with women of these,
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  because they were like fighting, that is, it' s curious.
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  It is the perversion of that of emancipation that they had to use to be
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  given a weapon to let them do what men did. It' s a
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  question, I mean, of looking for the matching. That way I tell
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  you it' s evil, but it' s part of it. It
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  was part of their struggle, because they consider that they also had a feminist
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  struggle. I' m going to take advantage of this character we' re
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  talking about before we move on to look at the character cingo, because we
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  ' re talking in a story. You said it very well, because in
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  the moment and I for a real character to a story. For me he
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  is a persian character beyond me having certain pierso cautions his character. Well this
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  woman, as it is well known, the one who enters a woman is
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  but yes, she goes very attractive, to a woman who provoked desire and
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  a woman who was awarded, I will say, they awarded relationships with policemen.
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  He also says there was a certain jealousy on the part of other women,
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  a certain envy. Well, that' s what she says. On
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  the other hand, yes, that I have read this later she on one
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  occasion when in a letter that she writes while in prison and says she complained,
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  then, of the bad prey that they had and she says well that
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  they were carrying her whore they gave her everything. It' s yes,
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  and it says it' s all the men that would make you sleep with
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  me answer like you can' t go, but you can' t.
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  I mean, she had a very well- known young woman, very pretty,
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  dad, but spectacular as an actress or a body of models, and
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  that' s part of the great fascination. They' ve got them all
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  dead. Indeed, he began very young at the closing years when my aunts
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  were at the age of nineteen taking on booming. There he had the first
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  death of his staff who from this brahón threw a poor heroinman in pass,
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  in passage, in San Pedro and then already at twenty- three years had
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  killed twenty- three people that are said soon, but there are other militants
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  who have many also, but they are not pretty. Of course, then
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  we see what that value is like, so he said what it is like
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  or I speak there of the Platonic association that we still love about the beautiful,
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  the good and the true. And we still have it and it means
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  we all have it. When a beautiful person, an attractive man and an
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  attractive woman tell us something, we tend to believe that show is stupid and
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  all good. Yes, beyond that, that fascination that causes that when a
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  woman kills, it causes strange surprise, because the woman is the queen gives
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  light, who breeds, who now cares for women. There are women who
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  care so much that it' s not that let' s say it'
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  s done, women who care for grandchildren, children, parents and husbands.
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  That is the funha, that is to say before then that the person who
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  has come to the world for many cares mate seems to us a relationship,
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  but when on top she is beautiful. We ask ourselves the question that Isabel
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  Pisano asked when she was interviewed, but what need she had with how beautiful
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  she is. In addition, you reflect it very well the book, because
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  you say with how beautiful it is that I needed to have gotten into terrorist
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  as if beauty was more useful, adradada, than more useful than the intelligence
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  itself and the effort. I mean, if you' re pretty, you
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  ' re not even smart. Well, that' s right there. He
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  ' s there, too. It' s also in the imaginary, that
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  is, of a pretty girl. We think he can' t have everything.
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  Moreover, it is true that their women repress him from the novel in
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  the face of beauty we feel as forbidden inferior because, as we say in
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  some way, the main asset he still hears. I believe especially today,
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  in the time of the underdogs, you can have a woman yes, then
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  we feel that we are in the empire of conditions in front of a beautiful
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  woman no, and also that impression that if you are beautiful, you have
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  already played the lottery and may be what you want in life. On the
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  other hand, when I say it in the novel Escurías a little more,
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  what it means is that you can like it with whoever you want and you
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  can get a husband you want. That' s when we already believe in
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  the vic you and all of that we still have business. Ideas. Yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. You said, twenty-
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  three years old, twenty- three dead, twenty- three years old,
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  because that wool condemns her to mallorca that good, twenty- three years old,
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  three years old, who served twenty- three dead of scholar in prison.
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  Yeah, I' m paid for all three figures. Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah. It' s funny. I heard well, she, Ella,
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  she, with a two thousand- peak sentence because she already killed a
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  lot of people. It was a lot of trials but at that time the
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  maximum sentence you can serve is in thirty years before. And she, then,
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  in the end, when she separated from her because there shears from another,
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  she rushed to redeem sentence with jobs, with courses with tai boys.
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  I don' t know what and I' m about to cut down on
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  seven years. I mean, she served her sentence. I can understand that
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  the victims wished it could be in prison. On the other hand, I
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  believe in the resection, I believe that the re- visition of the jars
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  who took this route was successful, because practically everyone then had fun again and
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  then I lost it. He hasn' t gone back into a plane in
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  that environment and the map has disappeared again. But they are curious figures that
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  say good cool have security. Yeah, well, since we' ve come
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  to this point in the interview, now let' s take a look I
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  don' t want to forget what you just said about her getting out of
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  jail. He regretted that there are many victims who let what kind of regrets.
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  Yes, and it was also reflected in the book. It was one
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  and you hear but I wanted to be alive to see I wanted I want
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  to be that contest in which I have arrived reinvented the past of terrorists,
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  rebel who repugnant at the massacres, when it was the opposite what I had
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  already said. Yes, she denied a lot of things she had done,
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  just because she believes that a narcusist personality like the book is not able to
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  claim that she has done something wrong. And when in a letter she already
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  wrote that they don' t have children, it' s not okay to
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  kill for your ideas what a few years before she claimed. I' m
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  a smart one. All I' ve done is I' ve done with
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  the homelands and they' ve all thrown one very little to each other we
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  couldn' t have to do so many and to them to change, so
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  of course you say and that' s part of what the novel will have
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  to do. The guilt to see if you have this idea of yourself of
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  a person or you read the automography and that it is already somehow written after
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  it of the condemnation And such and well I don' t know, it
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  defines itself, an empathetic, generous person who has an idea of service to
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  others, which I like peace, harmony, dendrinas health. Anyway, all
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  that' s not me good, and how you do twenty- three deaths,
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  because flying the ends is curious and that' s what the novel talks
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  about. Yeah, but she did, so she reinvented herself. I realized
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  that it is the past that being invented for itself and it looked a lot
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  like jewels here in it, like all the militants of itaputar to, yes
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  they avated it, but then it understood, that is, and there have
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  even been academic, university studies on these two figures and you hear and loya
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  clear an absolutely negative connotations. And there' s that macho look, too.
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  And if he slept with cops, which might be if they see discotheques
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  and all that, if it' s a man who does that, a
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  highly implanted terrorist eta, an attractive subject that escapes to sleep with women police,
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  is to convert a myth. If she' s a woman, she
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  ' s a whore, yes she says, she' s a murderer like
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  that, but she' s not an exabia whore. But we' ve
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  got that woman' s midi straightaway. When she does something else besides,
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  she' s a whore. So that and that' s why they call
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  it the tigress, which is one about a nickname or a nickname, with
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  pejorative agnes, unlike it has and that we constantly put on, not on
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  n s s s s. So what was I telling you? That'
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  s not what we were saying beautiful And it' s but I hear yes,
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  then of course and Oyses has that other figure and he' s had
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  that there are studies of college, of university professors of the Jlyes country.
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  I, on the other hand, have to say that I admire, that
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  is, I respect the figure of Jewels more, because, like this one,
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  it seems a little crazy and thoughtful. I as an artist and you
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  hear beyond killing a lot of people. I am like a woman, because
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  with many concerns, I would never be, but with many intellectual concerns I
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  read a lot, I reflected. And that reflection led him first when you
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  ' ve reached the dome of such the first woman in several decades, and
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  then the men said one who arrived you see what happened to say never again.
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  That' s not worth it. Women are worthless and treacherous, for
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  I hear that reflection was made in her diary and well, I thought that
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  this was for all women. Now that I' m in the dome,
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  I think I realize that I' ve done it with myself and that to
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  do it I' ve actually become some kind of imgnorary, because it was
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  that way, not Axo yet, but then even more. In those eighties
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  that I also lived, there were certain types of work that were supposed to
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  be men' s own. And if you' d get in there as
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  a lawyer, then what are you already doing, getting dry, mute?
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  Borde, Borde, and Mrs Tacher, we all know this so we can
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  meditate on politics. He had to take running courses to record his voice,
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  to make more of his voice. No. So I did, he saw
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  that and he said I don' t like it. And then that.
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  From that, because they believed and also idolized that he was making a nationalist
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  revolution, of natural, socialist and feminist liberation. Then it turned once into
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  a deta. They understood that their companions did not share feminism at all.
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  But it was part of the disappointment, because it' s Joyce' s
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  case. And then yoyes had the courage to rotate Conneta. It' s
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  a go in that time very you right in the hands and when the womanate
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  came back from Mexico, many years ago they didn' t see the dome,
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  gave the order and among them, one who had been her boyfriend,
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  who was amazing that because it' s at that moment the idea is supreme.
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  There is a supreme value. Feelings aren' t worth the country.
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  So, at that time the idea was enlistment that everyone knows has nod,
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  but it doesn' t come out. No. So I already have that
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  trail, because that was mother, she wasn' t pretty like Idoya,
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  she wasn' t a whore, as they call her Idoya, and she
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  was postella. All these two values. And I saw that then the past
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  that Idoya was prepared to accept herself in her new life was coming out of
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  jail, it was very much like the real past of ions. I think
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  that' s where the way is they call appropriationism. She, she wanted
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  to have a past like Joyce' s. And it' s an invention.
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  It' s funny, and I don' t know if she was
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  aware of that yes, but it' s kind of a sticker. Yeah,
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  it' s the most jury one. Let' s go with the
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  other character. Yeah, it' s like my ear already eats everything.
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  If we go with Mira immigrant, also as I say, heard already a
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  fictional character and is also a police daughter, it can be any of a
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  character. That' s the idea. Look it has to represent the city
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  in some way, obviously, because they did not all have, but to
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  that society that suffered and suffered that violence unleashed, that violence that was not
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  only physical and material violence of crimes and such, but that there was also
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  street violence, then verbal violence. They opened the silences in the Basque Country.
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  I found that out when one of the versal tools is that to see
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  exit pointed at you with the finger was sentenced. It' s that it
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  ' s trending then it' s exactly suffocating, polarized, in which good,
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  absolutely paranoid, in which there are people who don' t talk then.
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  And that fear, that fear, not that fear. And there'
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  s Mira, who is the daughter of the number one main enemy of maybe
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  all of Skadiz, because there was a very beastly police repression. That'
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  s true and that encouraged a lot I mean, I don' t know
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  how far they might not have gone, because that gave a lot of militants
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  Aheta yes and look they' re in natural police. The Chapurra, ETA
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  ' s number one enemy, too. The main goal of all Iren and
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  Doya is born in San Sebastián is to doribluir before, but in that ethnophobic
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  nationalism being born there is an accident that does not make her Vasca Vale.
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  Then she later much later complained bitterly that with what she had done for Liscaner
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  Ria, that is, with all the people she had killed for Sharin Rian
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  they called her Manchurian and Korean. And all of that not because it was
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  so cool- eyed. But look, he wasn' t born there.
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  His father appears there is a gramitous cop, who most bouncing from comi would
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  be in Police Station and they send him there as a punishment because the country
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  will be. It was a punishment for cops or several chriles, except the
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  poor. The Andalusians who went voluntarily because they needed the chaspiradament surrogate, were
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  very humble people, that this is something that Neta, who was very socialist,
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  did not take into account those who killed. They were people, because
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  they had put on politics. Because it' s not, because it'
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  s the only way out I had, so I' m saying being a
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  cop is wrong, but in this case, those who have been elected,
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  if they had been able, would have been geniuses. No, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  no, no, no, no, no. But that said,
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  look at that shame when you' re with your father and your father looks
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  under the car before getting in, because it' s that kind of contagion,
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  pollution of the same thing. If you see that, you' ll
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  say my father has to be careful, because the father, like all cops,
• 21:15
  has his uniform at home. A policeman is not identified and she is,
• 21:19
  that is, shame and that association and she, from the age of
• 21:25
  fifteen years later we did not know her, I lead a double life.
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  She can' t tell anyone who her father is and she' s also
• 21:36
  trying, well I saw a hostile atmosphere. The father is his man,
• 21:37
  tremendous and good, a spoiler in the family. Mitre to said tries to
• 21:42
  seek refuge outside, but out of even worse environments and she tries a way
• 21:48
  to negotiate and premiere the teenager is to have the youth, falls in love
• 21:51
  with a young man on the left see comes out and try, not to
• 21:56
  be she, to contemporize with everyone, but inevitably it has been pushed by
• 22:00
  circumstances in which they are going to lead her to make decisions. And the
• 22:03
  circumstances, government very well define without disemboweling anything the phases of guilt, which
• 22:11
  are identical to mourning. Well, that gives, but I love that reflection.
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  Yeah,' cause the guilt stays with you, yeah, and it
• 22:21
  takes a lot to get it out. And as long as you' re
• 22:22
  not able to take the blame, you' re not able to end the
• 22:27
  pain. I' m going to say no, I' m not sure,
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  I mean, first of all, it' s in the pittance of
• 22:30
  meat. That' s what I see and that' s why this too
• 22:33
  had to see my inside wasn' t in the daughter of the East.
• 22:36
  It was when the daughter of Jerophina because she has been condemned as ceo coio.
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  Mr recomilladish, all of a sudden you have for things that cune account
• 22:44
  was a trip and so suddenly you start to doubt that your father, instead
• 22:47
  of being the savior of the tulcea, and your actually a killer who is
• 22:51
  killing g understand you and so when you enter that doubt and see your father
• 22:55
  in another way, then she also that guilt and just, because it is
• 22:59
  also a guilt for the vontage you cannot bear and takes your life away.
• 23:03
  In this case we are already the culprit' s fault what happens And that
• 23:07
  ' s what we talk about in the novel, because there have been quite
• 23:11
  a few militants, of Tatagonists, of eta with quantity and such and good
• 23:15
  that at a given moment and because they were offered the life of the dedioc
• 23:18
  keys and others, because, because it has a religious conversion as Christine objection
• 23:23
  and so suddenly admits says good that dogma that until now they have stopped me
• 23:26
  and that it made me join myself. I put care and as an extraordinary
• 23:30
  person and it is not that I was also proved a kind of hero.
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  It' s the ogma and it' s no longer good to me,
• 23:34
  I don' t think it' s justified, but of course, what
• 23:37
  you' ve done under cover of saburna, yes, it' s dead
• 23:38
  there. They' re still there how you deal with it already. I
• 23:44
  believe that today he is a person who escapes, who has been escaping from
• 23:48
  that past that I don' t know that is recognized and who, until
• 23:52
  he admits it, is going to be including from that shadow as in the
• 23:55
  cloud among the ask. I mean, that' s the way you say
• 23:59
  it, the pulp, because that' s one of my obsessions. Also
• 24:06
  the gall to end the ETA and faking the law that they themselves ask that,
• 24:10
  according to plan yes, that is also one thing now I' m
• 24:15
  going to quote a painting that was on a wall in Glada to the north,
• 24:18
  I didn' t read in Hi Shal Tars that to terrify the police
• 24:25
  dirty war and such and the outside savage force. Worse. Even good garuesta
• 24:27
  bros and they are still digesting it too, as the Spanish government did nothing.
• 24:33
  Want not others with which I don' t mean it was okay,
• 24:34
  Locutiona okay, but it' s the same as there were many terrorist groups
• 24:38
  and all governments if they could throw it down the middle street, it did
• 24:41
  what it couldn' t do. But that painting said when those who make
• 24:45
  the law break the law, the name of the law there is no reading.
• 24:48
  Then, when they saw Vir Pregonzaez as Vierno, very tender, very
• 24:52
  recently, arrived without experience, without experience, well, suddenly they found that
• 24:57
  they hoped that afterwards it was Amnesty And when the polymitis were discussed, the
• 25:04
  ponies, and the military tata intellectuals were the most cazurros and no more fanatics.
• 25:11
  I mean, that goes that way. They also thought that with democracy,
• 25:15
  because they were no longer going to look at it, but that they
• 25:18
  were not interested in it right now. It was against frankness, because it
• 25:21
  calls you laftinity. Then or from day one. Then they met because they
• 25:26
  continued to kill many soldiers, civil guards, national police, and only at
• 25:32
  the beginning, and then with the suffering organizations, because they already killed whoever
• 25:34
  they were. But at first he went around and there was tremendous tension in
• 25:41
  the army in the year eighty- ninety- eight dead to eighty- one
• 25:45
  coup d'état, in the eighty- two another coup that was aborted
• 25:48
  in the habitos. Then the army was that the police had civilian strike.
• 25:52
  Then they saw that one. I believe that at that time I had an
• 25:55
  intention to democratize all the institutions of structures of daras of Francoism, but they
• 26:00
  could not with the puncture nor with the police, because it was killing us
• 26:04
  the cars Then they had to resort to more. And that' s what
• 26:07
  a Amadeo character says, who' s a cop, because he' s
• 26:12
  a convinced artist and he says clear socialist and communist cops and he knew them.
• 26:14
  I didn' t know them and they had to arrange you know that
• 26:18
  ' s what we were doing. Then there was this kind of high against
• 26:19
  nature, from the far right, the police, the far right and the
• 26:25
  dumb, and it was all under control with the socialist government. So you
• 26:27
  and socialist gomino for me how theolo can be done, which is to reserve
• 26:30
  this right to break it break it, because when you decide that the clip
• 26:36
  justifies the means, all the means are justified in the end Then you have
• 26:41
  to cover up? Then you have to that and out there between the driving
• 26:44
  you were supposed to have, think that juvenial villary. Then I don'
• 26:47
  t know, but that' s for sure. There is no justification,
• 26:49
  because if you put yourself to his ideal, if you and they said well
• 26:52
  so in France and it is true that he was socialist too, i e,
• 26:57
  sdra Fribi and González, because he thought now this was going to consider
• 27:00
  the lethal terrorists as you laughed they will literally litar. No, Luis didn
• 27:04
  ' t do it with the Italian red or black ties either. It has
• 27:08
  to be said that Spain is also not bowing to Italy to the fascists,
• 27:14
  our fascist borrowers. A noo of all spacis also collaborated against the fight against
• 27:15
  elta, that is, international politics was like this. Then he thought good,
• 27:19
  for the way is to take terrorism to the south of France, because
• 27:25
  the island of shawl and maparralle where the etarras are rebuking and where they recover
• 27:30
  and then they come back and so creates in chaos, so that we try
• 27:36
  to collaborate with us a blackmail a collection that is not going to be made.
• 27:40
  And well, and they did and it was a monumental chaquilza. And
• 27:44
  yet, as my character says, made effects came out. We know if
• 27:48
  it was direct, no. When another president of the French government came,
• 27:51
  Chira, started to but to but it was done so was such damage,
• 27:55
  because for me and this I do not say it only I said it or
• 27:59
  as one of the MSS interiors the last of film González and he with Margarita
• 28:03
  Robles, that I do not know he was on. And, well,
• 28:07
  they broke up with the ties, with all the gal collaborators, and that
• 28:11
  ' s when Midi decided to sing because they decided to give him money.
• 28:14
  But, well, then he said that the galles and obviously, they were
• 28:18
  a disaster because ETA was shot because a government couldn' t do that.
• 28:22
  And it is true that in many young people they were netted by such a
• 28:26
  fact, if you say we are not in any war with her. That
• 28:30
  ' s what I stood for. Right, fair war. Theory was the
• 28:33
  one that justified and idolized me and all these religious who were in a war
• 28:37
  against the Spanish State, threatened to end this allergy and that they were soldiers,
• 28:41
  Buddharis me terrorists. But of course, when you ride a terrorist short,
• 28:45
  you' re still legitimizing them and being right. It was nonsense to
• 28:49
  me. It' s terrible, a slug and driving was wild. I
• 28:53
  mean, Mrs Medo, it was spent on the San Sebastian casino. He
• 28:57
  was also caught in Black Jang by the money he had been given to pay
• 29:02
  for the mercenaries. As I was going, there was more and more spirfal
• 29:07
  for every time they hired my worst scenarios because the good ones were more expensive.
• 29:10
  They were leaving in a baratillo, until in the end a mercenary saw
• 29:15
  Portuguese that was also very bad, like the angry scenario because they had not
• 29:18
  paid for it. He gave me the cab I had to take to get
• 29:21
  rid of the attack. He goes on foot and gets caught and also not
• 29:26
  char or the gun because you say the only thing that I' m going
• 29:29
  to get from being aware of this gun, which is very good tordad,
• 29:32
  that they catch him sings half already in jail. It was a monumental mess,
• 29:34
  yes, but it was a very similar thing, so that spoke very
• 29:38
  little room and to me something that was true that there was good. They
• 29:42
  ended up in jail quite a few of them. It is also true that
• 29:45
  they stayed for a short time, that is, the half that was longer,
• 29:48
  they were invited right away. No one asked us to repent in any
• 29:49
  way. In other words, in fact, he teaches the new neighborhood a
• 29:52
  few months ago, or boasting that he was the one who very generously decided
• 29:59
  to keep Segundo Mario alive, who had been laid down by the mistake that
• 30:03
  Mr Mayor, because in his hand he was going to kill. He says
• 30:04
  so, and I released him. I made the decision, i e,
• 30:08
  I looked at you secondhand and didn' t, i e, They cook,
• 30:14
  because it was the reason of state that protects everything. We are not
• 30:15
  the same as the end that the means justify. And one thing that hurts
• 30:19
  me. I recently read an interview by Héri Zabala in the I think Ralla
• 30:23
  does not gas, because she is a woman who has fought a lot.
• 30:26
  His being bad. His brother was one of those. It' s great
• 30:29
  what they did because Sai Zabana doesn' t have, don' t look.
• 30:30
  The little boys who were in it had killed him to nothing, too.
• 30:33
  Okay. What they did to her was worse what they did to Kashauge
• 30:36
  than she did, that is, not much of me. So she says
• 30:38
  she' s got the whole town fighting. He says that not badly recognized
• 30:41
  as I saw terrorism, because it seems wrong to me. I don'
• 30:45
  t think so. And because she was also on a guest note by the
• 30:49
  Civil Guard. He says that there was a lieutenant who weeps telling what had
• 30:53
  happened and says the commander of a charrón no and it is not that horrible
• 30:57
  that d is so cute that we are going to face asked forgiveness. So
• 31:00
  they say if the Civil Guard can do it, it can' t have
• 31:03
  the government or it hasn' t, because I haven' t. In
• 31:07
  conclusion, I like how you have between history with María María Ortega, who
• 31:12
  is talking to Idoia in this way, she changes, that is, she
• 31:18
  can correct her about things that, perhaps, are not that good. It
• 31:21
  is a way to tell it you do to see clearly what program of when
• 31:26
  you have a character you say a very powerful character for all the things that
• 31:29
  you sleep with cops that if they are presumed that there is no way to
• 31:32
  convince her to put on big brown lentils, it has been wise the way
• 31:34
  for vocation. Then there is that black legend that becomes a viti headquarters already
• 31:38
  in the periods that go to jail to ask the officials and what makes you
• 31:41
  comment all that. I would have been talking about her, all those contradictions
• 31:48
  she has. But to what extent it' s true, to what extent
• 31:52
  you don' t know, because of course if it' s all men
• 31:53
  who talk very bad about her, then I give her the chance to run,
• 31:57
  because I can' t sign I' m not a judge. It
• 31:59
  has not only letus. I give him and I like that dialogue of María
• 32:02
  Ortega. Is there one thing I think I can talk about, I think
• 32:06
  she' s the first sensor instrictor to star in the novel? The first
• 32:10
  elevator inspector to star in the novel? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It
• 32:13
  caught my attention. Yeah, I said I like it. I like it,
• 32:20
  too, well, you have to read the book. But besides,
• 32:22
  it' s fine your function at the end of the story that I'
• 32:27
  m going to close the elevator here because it' s wrong, that is,
• 32:30
  it comes out within what is the profile of an inspector that we have
• 32:36
  everything as very boxed in comedian perfirmme, to say it' s my introspector
• 32:37
  of him. I like elevators. What it is, especially beyond all these
• 32:42
  locations is history. It was a very unfortunate family. Yeah, that'
• 32:45
  s right. That' s what I' d do to him. I
• 32:47
  want to count in the family read that famediate. Yeah, well, there
• 32:51
  it is It' s good that I got it all. Thank you very
• 32:53
  much. Thanks to you. Yes, I have believed too much the political
• 32:55
  fethema. It went very well. Yes, yes, you worry, because
• 32:59
  the spheres a lot of thanks to you pink claf I know that real likes
• 33:04
  little along with Tonte