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Scott Peterson to walk free after habeas corpus battle? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: guilty of the crime of murder of Lacey DDS. The
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Speaker 1: case of State versus Scott Peterson to me, feels like
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Speaker 1: it just happened yesterday. She just vanished and it turned
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Speaker 1: into a media storm within days. Please please please let
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Speaker 1: her go, bring her back. Just what Scotty, Sequin's your
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Speaker 1: new home. There was no biological evidence, no forensic evidence
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Speaker 1: whatsoever that pointed to the guilt of Scott Peterson. There's
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Speaker 1: at least eleven witnesses that saw Lacy that day. This
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Speaker 1: is all all Scott's at the office on his computer,
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Speaker 1: so he's innocent. I wasn't last one died see Lacy
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Speaker 1: that day. There are so many witnesses Bisarre walking in
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood after I left the cops just agennor followed
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Speaker 1: upon deeper earlier across the street. Believe it or not,
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Speaker 1: at this hour, case is being mounted, a habeas corpus
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Speaker 1: case to free Scott Peterson. Scott Peterson convicted in the
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Speaker 1: murder of his pregnant wife Lacy and their unborn child,
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Speaker 1: baby Connor. But believe it or not, nothing is set
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Speaker 1: in stone when it comes to the law. I mean,
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Speaker 1: see Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Could it be will Scott Peterson walked free?
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Speaker 1: I go to bed at night with dreams, sweet dreams
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Speaker 1: of him behind bars, reading all of his love letters
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Speaker 1: and having a fine glass of Pruno jail hooch? Is
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Speaker 1: that going to end? Straight out to Alexis Terreschuk rdar
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Speaker 1: online dot com, who covered the trial with me. I
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Speaker 1: was in the courtroom every single day. And this is
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Speaker 1: a stun or Alexis Terreschuck that a potentially successful habeas
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Speaker 1: corpus case is being mounted as we speak. And Burt,
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Speaker 1: no justice for poor Lucy and that little baby, Honter,
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Speaker 1: this is despicable. But Scott Peterson is trying to say,
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Speaker 1: you know, almost twenty years later, he didn't do this.
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Speaker 1: And the reason that people don't believe him, this is
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Speaker 1: a guy who had a mistress. The entire time his
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Speaker 1: wife was missing. He was texting her, he was talking
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Speaker 1: about going to Paris with her. He plotted his wife's
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Speaker 1: murder for a long time. This wasn't something that you know,
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Speaker 1: he could even have a passion. Well, you're talking about
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Speaker 1: Amber Fry, the mistress, and I certainly hope she didn't
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Speaker 1: feel special because he started having affairs very soon after
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Speaker 1: they were married, while she was working to help him
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Speaker 1: get through the rest of school. Yeah. Also with mecrime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Robin Wilensky, author of Beautiful
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Speaker 1: Live CSI behind the Casey Anthony Trial. You can find
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Speaker 1: that on Amazon. Robin Wilensky, What is the force behind
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Speaker 1: the current habeas corpus to free Scott Peterson? You know,
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Speaker 1: the thing is is that his attorneys are saying that
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Speaker 1: one of the jurors lied and that Mark Erriges, his lawyer,
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Speaker 1: did this, did that. I mean they're throwing darts at
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Speaker 1: the wall trying to get him out. In addition to this,
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Speaker 1: Nancy that he's got a sister in law who keeps
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Speaker 1: the Scott Peterson room, kind of like you know the
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Speaker 1: police when they're looking at a mafia family, you know,
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Speaker 1: John Gotti at the top or the Ish's character on HBO,
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Speaker 1: Tony soprano and who the other mafia characters are, and
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Speaker 1: she's got all these things taped on the wall, and her,
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Speaker 1: the sister in law, has been speaking with the modesto
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Speaker 1: b and saying that you know, he's innocent, and she
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Speaker 1: is really a huge force behind this as well. You
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Speaker 1: know what, Robert Wilenski, you and Alexis terres Chuck are
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Speaker 1: exactly correct. Cheryl McCollum, I want to take you back
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Speaker 1: in the time machine. Take a listen to this interrogation
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Speaker 1: of you know, a lot of people thought he was
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Speaker 1: good looking. I never thought he was good looking. He
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Speaker 1: walked into the courtroom like the star quarterback with his
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Speaker 1: back off, run out, puffing out his chest, swaggering. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: mm hmmm, I don't know what all those women saw
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Speaker 1: in him. But Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute, please before you and Ashley Walcott and Karen
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Speaker 1: Stark say word, listen to this. Please what time Probably
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Speaker 1: lazy got up and as soon that's a sh show
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Speaker 1: for breakfast. Here's Scott Peterson being questioned by the first
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Speaker 1: detective on the case, one am Christmas Day, two thousand
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Speaker 1: and two. What do you realize you're going to go, oh,
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Speaker 1: that was the morning. Decision is either the morning was so,
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Speaker 1: played golf at the club or go vision. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: you're telling me Scott is there's no you'd have no
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Speaker 1: idea where. Never once did he say, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: where is Lacy? Where could she be? I hope she's okay.
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Speaker 1: I hope you know she's not harmed. Never ever feeling
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Speaker 1: that panic. Even as you talk about it, you can
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Speaker 1: see a little bit of it left. Yes, he did
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Speaker 1: not seem to have that sense. He did not have it.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing Sharon Roacha, that's Lacey's mom, along with
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Speaker 1: the NBC Day lines Keith Morrison, and you're also hearing
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson being interrogated one am on Christmas Day and
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Speaker 1: like you have any idea where she yes? No, I
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Speaker 1: mean Cheryl McCullum. On Christmas Eve morning while your wife
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Speaker 1: is getting the home ready for a dinner a Christmas
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Speaker 1: Eve dinner at her house that night, mopping the floors,
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Speaker 1: getting everything ready, and he decides that morning he's either
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Speaker 1: going to go golfing at the club or go fishing,
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Speaker 1: but decides not to go golfing because it would be
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Speaker 1: too cold, So then he takes a one hundred and
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Speaker 1: eighty mile round trip to fish for forty five minutes
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Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve. If David Lynch was not running back
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Speaker 1: and forth to the grocery store and doing my insane
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Speaker 1: bidding before a Christmas Eve dinner, oh yeah, oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: I would totally burn all his clothes in the front yard,
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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But he's going one hundred and
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Speaker 1: eighty mile round trip to go fishing out on San
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Speaker 1: Francisco Bay because it's too cold to golf. Right what
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Speaker 1: any body that boats will tell you. It is so
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Speaker 1: much colder on the water, the wind, you're wet. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be miserable out there if it's too cold
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Speaker 1: to golf. It is absolutely too cold to go fishing.
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Speaker 1: But Nancy back it up even before that. The first
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Speaker 1: lock is where you stay. You and I both know that.
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Speaker 1: He originally tells his father in law he went golfing,
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Speaker 1: then he tells the police he went fishing. But that
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Speaker 1: lock about golfing helps because with the fishing, there's a
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Speaker 1: receipt that shows he was in fact there at the
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Speaker 1: boat round, but that also puts him at the crime scene.
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Speaker 1: It sure does I mean reality check Cheryl mccollin right,
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Speaker 1: is the Cold Case Research Institute and CSI expert Cheryl.
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Speaker 1: The bodies washed up not too far from the very
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Speaker 1: spot where he said he was fishing. Absolutely, and that
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Speaker 1: makes that receipt a money tree for the prosecution. You
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Speaker 1: put yourself there while these two people are missing, Lacy
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Speaker 1: and the baby, that's where they wash up. That's a
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Speaker 1: real easy a to be for anybody. Well, not only that,
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Speaker 1: the dog tracker which they've tried to catch down on
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Speaker 1: the SunDog, followed Lacey's trail all the way from her home, however,
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Speaker 1: many miles away to Berkeley, Marina. But to ask you,
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Speaker 1: Wilcott joining me, juvenile judge lawyer, you can find her
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Speaker 1: at ashe Wilcott dot com. Ashley. The defense in their
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Speaker 1: Habeas Corpus is claiming that the dog evidence is bad
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Speaker 1: because the dog handler also picked up an item belonging
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Speaker 1: to Scott Peterson. I think maybe it's sunglasses or slippers,
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Speaker 1: and then hand it over Lacy's slippers, and they're saying
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Speaker 1: the dog couldn't figure it out. I find that hard
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Speaker 1: to believe. One of the things to note about this
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Speaker 1: sp this is the sixth appealed documents prepared on by
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Speaker 1: half of Stout Peterson number one six. He's been unsuccessful
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Speaker 1: so far number two. That's what they're trying to do.
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Speaker 1: They're trying to say deficients performance by his attorney because
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Speaker 1: he failed to call different experts to refute the evidence
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Speaker 1: like the dog evidence. Too little, too late, you know.
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Speaker 1: I want to get down to the nitty gritty and
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Speaker 1: what they are claiming. But take a listen to Keith
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Speaker 1: Morrison playing Amber Fry audio the mistress. Either he killed
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Speaker 1: Lacy or he's clairvoyant because he told Amber Fry that
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Speaker 1: he had been married and his wife had just recently died.
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Speaker 1: I met Scott Peterson November twentieth, two thousand and two.
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Speaker 1: Scott told me he was not married. We did have
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Speaker 1: a romantic relationship, she was Amber Fry. Amber secretly helped
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Speaker 1: the police by recording her calls with Scott. Soon as
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Speaker 1: I plug in her little order of the phone rings,
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Speaker 1: he called, oh boy play that they were just like, well,
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Speaker 1: I can't believe he's calling you right now. Norm with
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Speaker 1: you right now, Amber Fry. Her recordings her testimony were
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Speaker 1: the key and with the whole country watching Scott Peterson
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Speaker 1: was convicted of murdering his wife, Lacy and their unborn
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Speaker 1: son Connor. You were hearing date lines Keith Morrison playing
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Speaker 1: that Amber Fry audio which really turned the tide. I
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Speaker 1: want to follow up on something that Cheryl McCullum brought
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Speaker 1: up to Robin Wilinski, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: and author of Beautiful Life. Robin Cheryl is reminding us
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Speaker 1: that Scott Peterson told people after the fact that he
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Speaker 1: had been golfing that morning. Is that correct, Robin? It is?
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Speaker 1: You know, he's a pathological law nancy. There are liars,
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Speaker 1: you know, people are lying constantly, but he's in the
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Speaker 1: pathological liar category where he makes stuff up. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what comes to mind is his interview with Diane Sawyer
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Speaker 1: where he sits down and he's wearing the suit and
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Speaker 1: he's speaking in the soft little voice and getting into
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Speaker 1: all this elaborate detail about stuff that actually never happened,
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Speaker 1: and he reminds me he's in the pathological lying category
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Speaker 1: as Casey Anthony, as you recall who made up Zanida Gonzalez,
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Speaker 1: Zanny the Nanny, and all these fictitious characters and all
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Speaker 1: these lies and all this detail that adds up to
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Speaker 1: a big zero donut hole that doesn't amount to anything,
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Speaker 1: and it's all in his mind. And so yes, golf
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Speaker 1: and all this other nonsense, but it's all it's all
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Speaker 1: a lie. It's a pathological lie. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: what Lacy's own mother or Sharon Roach says. It is
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Speaker 1: definitely been a roller coaster since December twenty fourth, two
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Speaker 1: thousand and two. There's many times that I get up
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Speaker 1: in the morning and I just go back to bed.
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Speaker 1: Lacy Peterson's mother, Sharon Rocha, told us or days of
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Speaker 1: hiding under covers or fewer now, but there is still
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Speaker 1: no escaping the pain that began on Christmas Eve two
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Speaker 1: thousand and two with a phone call from her son
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Speaker 1: in law, Scott's close to six fifteen. He called. He
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Speaker 1: said she's missing. And that's how it began the search
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Speaker 1: for Lacy Peterson, when the whole country heard about we're
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Speaker 1: still actively out trying to find a um a missing
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Speaker 1: female alive. Yep, my Fello log call. He was playing
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Speaker 1: goal no morning very my daughter this morning game pregnant
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Speaker 1: don for a walk from apart. The dog came always
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Speaker 1: did believe shot. The dog came aout your daughter. Okay,
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Speaker 1: when did your dater hit her? Well, I'm in that way,
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Speaker 1: gofen were the low apart we were doing for the
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Speaker 1: water God. Remember there you're hearing the nine one one
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Speaker 1: call from Lacy's stepdad, Ron grants Key, and he is
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Speaker 1: telling that day, the day Lacy Peterson goes missing, that
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson had said he was golfing. Cheryl McCollum is
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Speaker 1: exactly correct to Ashley Wilcot, juven I'll judge and lawyer,
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Speaker 1: what specifically are the claims made in this habeas corpus
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Speaker 1: that is trying to is that Scott Peterson free okay,
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Speaker 1: so deficient performance by the attorney, specifically number one, that
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Speaker 1: they did not have the dog expert that you already mentioned.
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Speaker 1: Number two, that they don't have an expert to talk
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Speaker 1: about the unborn fetus. Number three, another expert to controvert
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Speaker 1: any of the physical evidence. They are just saying we're
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Speaker 1: gonna use expert after expert after expert, and we didn't
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Speaker 1: and it's deficient. I don't buy it. I don't free
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Speaker 1: with it. He had a good attorney, And I just
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Speaker 1: have to say one more thing. One of the sisters
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Speaker 1: is quoted as saying, Listen, the whole system failed him.
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Speaker 1: The prosecution didn't do a good job, the defense attorney
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Speaker 1: didn't do a good job. Nobody did a good job. Well,
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Speaker 1: the reality is she just wants him to be free
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Speaker 1: and out of jail as his sister, and she's just
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Speaker 1: throwing their own casting stones with no marry Well, you know,
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Speaker 1: interesting too, Alexis Teresia writer online dot com. How many
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Speaker 1: appeals has he already had? He has had six appeals,
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Speaker 1: but cannot the law thought she was saying about this
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Speaker 1: is his sister in law. Do you know when Peterson
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Speaker 1: was found at the border of the United States trying
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Speaker 1: to escape into Mexico, he had that sister in law's
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Speaker 1: husband's identification on him. He was pretending to be his brother.
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Speaker 1: He had dyed his hair, bleached his hair blonde, and
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Speaker 1: he was trying to assume as identity and he had
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Speaker 1: I believe ten thousand dollars cash on his body. He
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Speaker 1: was pretending to be his brother to flee the country.
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Speaker 1: You know who does that? Guilty people, not innocent people.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I want to follow up
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Speaker 1: on what you just said. He had a lot more.
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Speaker 1: He had fourteen thousand dollars cash. He had dyed his
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Speaker 1: hair blonde like you said, and changed his appearance, multiple IDs,
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Speaker 1: camping gear, and enough viagra to choke a horse. To
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark joining me, I needed to get some facts first,
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, Karen renowned psychologists joining us from New York. Karen, UM,
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Speaker 1: I just want to warn you you're about to hear
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Speaker 1: what I consider to be one of the most important
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Speaker 1: pieces of evidence. So sit down. I hope you're sitting down.
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Speaker 1: Actually you may need to lay down for this one.
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Speaker 1: I can hear you great, Yes, okay, okay, I'm like
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Speaker 1: stee stel or something. Work. How you're how tarn in here?
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Speaker 1: How is your New Year? That's good. I just wanted
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Speaker 1: to now if they came out a minute hour quiet
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Speaker 1: alley that night, Yeah it is. I could be very good,
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Speaker 1: pretty awesome fireworks there for the Evil Power people playing songs.
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Speaker 1: H that's very funny. Well, that's good. I'm glad you
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Speaker 1: guys spend to go out. Definitely. I can never remember
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Speaker 1: your friend's name. I know, Jeff, but you always say
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Speaker 1: that should be should it be? What should my new
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Speaker 1: eolition be? Oh? I don't know, that was my question.
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Speaker 1: I heard him think of that. I'll tell them good yeah,
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Speaker 1: yeah good? So so where are you headed? Um? Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't think you get my mess? Yeah. I left
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Speaker 1: thee a message because I was like, well, I hope
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Speaker 1: you lea get that. But I was going to the
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Speaker 1: Semitisco thing didn't work out, so I'm probably most likely
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Speaker 1: going to go later to Shaun's. Are you there, Hello,
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Speaker 1: you're hearing Scott Peterson calling his mistress Amber Fry from Paris.
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Speaker 1: I'm saying that in quoties on New Year's Eve? Now,
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, Nancy, I remember this covering this with you
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Speaker 1: so clear. It's like it was yesterday. Really it really stuck,
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Speaker 1: didn't It's the whole case was so fascinating and awful.
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Speaker 1: He demeanor played so much. His demeanor, not just at
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Speaker 1: trial but throughout the police interrogations. How calm he was
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Speaker 1: when they were saying, do you know where your wife is?
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Speaker 1: He's like, no, no idea, instead of I would be
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Speaker 1: jumping out of my skin if I thought David or
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Speaker 1: the twins were missing, And he was a completely flat affect.
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Speaker 1: So it wasn't just a demeanor at trial, it was
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Speaker 1: during interrogation and on these phone calls. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, Cheryl McCollum, isn't it correct that he wasn't
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Speaker 1: on the phone with his mistress at the vigil, but
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Speaker 1: he was late to the vigil because he had been
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Speaker 1: on the phone with Amber. Is that the way it went,
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Speaker 1: the vigil for his missing wife who he knew to
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Speaker 1: be dead. Exactly. So, Nancy, look at pre and post behavior.
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Speaker 1: So like with you, you have your show, you have
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Speaker 1: the twins, you have interviews that you do when your
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Speaker 1: dad got sick and died, all of that stuff. Let's
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Speaker 1: look at Scott Peterson. He has affairs, he played golf,
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Speaker 1: he goes fishing, he jogs. Lacy and Carnor go missing.
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Speaker 1: He had affairs, he showed gulfing, he goes fishing, he jogs.
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Speaker 1: It's like his life didn't change. So the pre and
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Speaker 1: post behavior, as well as his you know, flat demeanors,
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Speaker 1: me about this guy that she had met at a
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Speaker 1: work convention. His name was Scott Peterson. She was like
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Speaker 1: he's perfect for you at this point in my life
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Speaker 1: and I need to randomly date different people, and I
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Speaker 1: was looking for the one, and that's what Scott said.
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Speaker 1: He was also looking for the one. I had no
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Speaker 1: idea that I was being introduced to a married man.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing from our friends at a youned. That's Amber
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Speaker 1: Fry explaining how she met Scott Peterson, why she dated him,
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Speaker 1: and that she had no idea he was married. But
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Speaker 1: luckily alexa'strez Chuck Radar online dot Com. She found out,
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Speaker 1: She found out Lacy was missing, and she contacted police
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Speaker 1: and volunteered to cooperate. Many people believe that was the
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Speaker 1: turning point of the trial when that evidence came forward.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm interested about something. The physical evidence. It's
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Speaker 1: been said many, many times, there's no direct evidence such
22:49
Speaker 1: as DNA or biological evidence fingerprints that Peterson killed his
22:55
Speaker 1: wife Lacey. Of course that's not required. There's circumstantial evidence
23:00
Speaker 1: that's you know, overpowering. In this case, Alexas rush Chuck.
23:04
Speaker 1: The judge, Alfred de Lucy would not allow the defense
23:09
Speaker 1: video or evidence regarding the boat they had made. They
23:14
Speaker 1: had done an experiment with a boat. Now the judge said,
23:19
Speaker 1: if you want to use the actual boat, you can
23:24
Speaker 1: do that, and the defense did not do it. Why
23:28
Speaker 1: wouldn't the judge let the defense bring on their boat evidence?
23:34
Speaker 1: Did he the judge believe the defense had rigged it
23:38
Speaker 1: in some way? Well, it wasn't the same boat, so
23:42
Speaker 1: you can't do that. You can't say, well, here's what
23:44
Speaker 1: would have happened if Scott had not or if somebody
23:48
Speaker 1: had done something with the boat, because it's not the same.
23:50
Speaker 1: And so the judge was being very careful saying, you
23:53
Speaker 1: can't use something that isn't the way the evidence should be.
23:57
Speaker 1: You couldn't use a boat that's thirty three feet when
24:01
Speaker 1: Scott's boat was only twenty two feet. That that's not
24:03
Speaker 1: going to work and the jury would know that. So
24:05
Speaker 1: he was actually really protecting them in a way. But
24:09
Speaker 1: he was just following the letter of the law. They
24:11
Speaker 1: came up because they made a crazy video of what
24:14
Speaker 1: they thought their version was with what had happened, and
24:16
Speaker 1: the video wasn't reality. So he said, well, you know,
24:18
Speaker 1: when go ahead to use the real boat. The defense
24:21
Speaker 1: knew if they used the real boat, this wouldn't happen
24:23
Speaker 1: because the real boat is the one that Scott used
24:25
Speaker 1: to dump his pregnant wife and their baby's body in
24:28
Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay. And the thing was, no, there wasn't
24:31
Speaker 1: evidence in the house of a fight or blood or
24:34
Speaker 1: anything like that. But you know what, there was evidence
24:36
Speaker 1: of her body turning up in the San Francisco Bay
24:39
Speaker 1: where he had been fishing on Christmas Eve. And you
24:41
Speaker 1: talked about your husband. If my husband did, doesn't hear
24:44
Speaker 1: from me when I go to the store for five
24:45
Speaker 1: minutes because I'm sitting in the driveway texting with my friends.
24:49
Speaker 1: He called me repeatedly. Scott Peterson had no care in
24:52
Speaker 1: the world about Lacy. He was off pretending he was
24:54
Speaker 1: in Paris with this and enticing this mistress into talking
24:58
Speaker 1: dirty with him. What should mine years resolution, he was guilty,
25:02
Speaker 1: and the evidence does show that if this defense trying
25:06
Speaker 1: to say that he didn't get a good defense. Mark
25:07
Speaker 1: Jergos was his lawyer. Mark Argos is one of the
25:10
Speaker 1: most famous lawyers in the country. He is a bulldog.
25:13
Speaker 1: He gets his clients off. And even if he didn't
25:16
Speaker 1: get Scott off, because Scott was one guilty, he gave
25:18
Speaker 1: him one hundred and forty five percent in this case,
25:20
Speaker 1: Jerobo Olenski, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, author of
25:24
Speaker 1: Beautiful Life on Amazon about Todd Mom's trial Robin regarding
25:28
Speaker 1: that boat video. Several weeks before his wife disappeared, Peterson
25:34
Speaker 1: was online searching info about places to launch a boat
25:38
Speaker 1: in northern California, including Berkeley Marina. But he chose that
25:43
Speaker 1: morning Christmas Eve to do a one hundred and eighty
25:46
Speaker 1: mile round trip three hours to fish for forty five minutes.
25:53
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't the judge allow that boat video? It is
25:58
Speaker 1: beyond belief to me. And I'll tell you what else.
26:01
Speaker 1: Another detail of this is that there was a hair
26:04
Speaker 1: in a pair of pliers that were found on that boat,
26:06
Speaker 1: and that hair belonged to Lacy Peterson. I also want
26:10
Speaker 1: to go back to something that Alexa was talking about,
26:13
Speaker 1: and that is that in the home, you know, Okay,
26:16
Speaker 1: so there wasn't blood that was found on the floor,
26:19
Speaker 1: but there was mops, and there was there was clarock,
26:22
Speaker 1: and there were bleach agents. And the neighbors said that
26:25
Speaker 1: every single morning, Lacy Peterson would open up the curtains.
26:29
Speaker 1: She would wake up, and her routine was she would
26:31
Speaker 1: open up the curtains on the front of her small
26:34
Speaker 1: bungalow home, right, and then the neighbors say, oh, mysteriously,
26:38
Speaker 1: on that morning when she goes missing, the curtains aren't open.
26:42
Speaker 1: So I think that there was a lot of evidence,
26:45
Speaker 1: especially with this boat. As a juror, you wanted to
26:48
Speaker 1: see the exact boat in question, and who in the
26:52
Speaker 1: world is going to drive all that way on Christmas
26:55
Speaker 1: morning if you don't have a motive. Additionally, Nancy, I
26:59
Speaker 1: just want to make this point that he told Amber
27:01
Speaker 1: Fry two weeks, two weeks before Lacy goes missing, my
27:05
Speaker 1: wife is dead. So this was all premeditated. He had
27:08
Speaker 1: the chemicals, he was a fertilizer salesman, He had the bleach,
27:12
Speaker 1: He had all this stuff to clean up the horrendous act,
27:16
Speaker 1: and he had all these tools and possibly the weights
27:19
Speaker 1: to wake down her body. And I don't think he
27:22
Speaker 1: ever thought that she was going to wash up with
27:24
Speaker 1: the baby, Nancy. Jan I just wanted to say, as
27:27
Speaker 1: a judge, here's a reason that I might say, no defense,
27:30
Speaker 1: you cannot recreate because in order to have evidence recreated,
27:34
Speaker 1: to use a model of something, or the model of
27:37
Speaker 1: the boat versus actual boat, I as a judge, would
27:40
Speaker 1: want to hear, why can't you show the jury the
27:43
Speaker 1: real boat, the actual boat, the actual thing that we're
27:46
Speaker 1: talking about. I would want some compelling reason. Oh, it
27:50
Speaker 1: was inadvertently lost by the prosecution in the crime lab,
27:53
Speaker 1: whatever it was. Otherwise, I think there's a very valid
27:57
Speaker 1: reason not to allow it, because it's a recreation. You
27:59
Speaker 1: don't use a creation if you have the real thing available.
28:01
Speaker 1: You're right. There was a big brew haha about the
28:04
Speaker 1: video about how her body could or could not have
28:08
Speaker 1: fit into the boat. But the reality is the state
28:11
Speaker 1: brought on photos demonstrating the boat had plenty of room
28:16
Speaker 1: and more for a woman to be placed in. As
28:19
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, they got a Stanislaus County employee,
28:22
Speaker 1: as I recall, the same height and waite, who was
28:25
Speaker 1: also pregnant, to lay in the boat and took pictures
28:29
Speaker 1: of it and showed photos of the boat and how
28:33
Speaker 1: wide it was to let them know Lacy could fit
28:37
Speaker 1: in there. This woman, kim Fulbright, was five too. She
28:41
Speaker 1: went one hundred and fifty seven pounds and was thirty
28:44
Speaker 1: eight weeks pregnant when the photos of her in Peterson's
28:48
Speaker 1: boat were taken. Lacy was thirty three weeks pregnant and
28:53
Speaker 1: smaller than Kim Fullbright, as I recall, and in these
28:57
Speaker 1: photos you can see Fulbright lying on her side in
29:00
Speaker 1: various sections of the boat, so that's not really an issue.
29:05
Speaker 1: Another point that Jackie here in the studio has brought
29:08
Speaker 1: up is the weather conditions in the video very different
29:13
Speaker 1: from the weather conditions and the tide conditions the day
29:16
Speaker 1: Lacy went missing. I mean, you know, can we just
29:19
Speaker 1: get real for a moment, Cheryl McCollum, just, you know,
29:23
Speaker 1: forget about Oh, you should have brought on a fetal expert. Well,
29:26
Speaker 1: the defense did bring on a baby expert, a fertility expert,
29:30
Speaker 1: doctor Charles Marsh. His testimony was a train wreck. They
29:34
Speaker 1: said they failed to put on a dog sent expert. Well,
29:37
Speaker 1: probably because no expert would have disagreed with what they
29:40
Speaker 1: had said. But the reality is Christmas Eve morning. He
29:44
Speaker 1: makes a quote spur of the moment decision to go
29:47
Speaker 1: fishing in a boat. He hasn't even told his own
29:50
Speaker 1: father about that he has kept secret and kept at
29:54
Speaker 1: his warehouse. Her hair turns up intertwined in his suppliers,
29:59
Speaker 1: not just suck on his pliers, but intertwined in his pliers.
30:03
Speaker 1: He takes a three hour trip to go fishing for
30:05
Speaker 1: forty five minutes out on a cold bay, and where
30:09
Speaker 1: he fishes, it's where her body turns up. And in
30:15
Speaker 1: a few weeks, at about four weeks following her disappearance,
30:20
Speaker 1: he revisits that spot. He's treked by police five times
30:25
Speaker 1: in five different rental cars. Because criminals can't help it.
30:28
Speaker 1: They go back and they look at the crime over
30:31
Speaker 1: and over, they return to the scene of the crime.
30:34
Speaker 1: I mean, really, Scott needs a new trial and we
30:37
Speaker 1: need justice for Lacey and Connor. You know it's not
30:41
Speaker 1: justice for them when Scott sitting on death row. We
30:44
Speaker 1: watched them grow up, when they first were dating, and
30:48
Speaker 1: just watch that progression of life of them starting to
30:51
Speaker 1: you know, plan a family, and you know that's why
30:53
Speaker 1: they moved to Modesto, was to start a family. Everything
30:56
Speaker 1: we've learned the last fifteen years has either confirmed Scott's
31:01
Speaker 1: innocence or taking us one step closer to finding out
31:05
Speaker 1: what happened to Lazy and Connor, and whoever did this
31:07
Speaker 1: to them is still out there. You are hearing Scott
31:11
Speaker 1: Peterson convicted in the murderer of his wife Lacy and
31:15
Speaker 1: their unborn child, O'Connor, the sister in law Janie Peterson,
31:18
Speaker 1: who says that Scott Peterson needs a new trial. The
31:22
Speaker 1: killer is still out there. You know, I know this
31:24
Speaker 1: is a part of evidence, but Cheryl McCollum, Director Coal
31:28
Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, if he didn't do it, who did not?
31:31
Speaker 1: Just that? Lte how many other eight months pregnant women
31:35
Speaker 1: have gone missing and later found murdered in that bay?
31:38
Speaker 1: That would be zero? You know, I want to go
31:40
Speaker 1: back to Alexis Dresshu raider online dot Com. Alexis, he's had,
31:45
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, six appeals. Tell me about the
31:49
Speaker 1: hair and his pliers that were in the boat. So
31:53
Speaker 1: what the police found was pair of piers, and you know,
31:56
Speaker 1: he says he was a handy guy around the house,
31:58
Speaker 1: he was fixing things. It had Lacy's hair in it,
32:01
Speaker 1: intertwined wrapped around his pliers that were in his boat.
32:05
Speaker 1: It's maybe it's the one piece of evidence we had
32:08
Speaker 1: that connected her to his boat. This is the direct
32:13
Speaker 1: link and it was really the only one. And it's
32:15
Speaker 1: not just placed on her, it's wrapped around it to
32:18
Speaker 1: who knows what he used those pliers for and why
32:21
Speaker 1: her hair was tangled up in it, but it was
32:23
Speaker 1: her hair. There's no refeeding that evidence. Robert Olinsky, Crime
32:26
Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter. What can you tell me
32:29
Speaker 1: about homemade cement blocks? Did they exist or no? They
32:33
Speaker 1: did exist? And he had a lot of these materials Nancy,
32:36
Speaker 1: in his storage locker where he kept the boat, and
32:39
Speaker 1: there are some photographs of materials. Again because he was
32:42
Speaker 1: a fertilizer salesman and he was in this business with
32:44
Speaker 1: all these materials. The ultimate terrible point for me of
32:48
Speaker 1: this whole case, in thinking about it, is that her
32:51
Speaker 1: first date with Scott Peterson was he took her out
32:54
Speaker 1: on a boat and so her life ended as it
32:57
Speaker 1: began with this liar killer. And it's such a shame.
33:01
Speaker 1: But yes, photograph do exist of the cement, the materials used,
33:06
Speaker 1: the cement blocks, and he kept a lot of stuff hidden.
33:09
Speaker 1: All his lives were in that storage locker too. Cheryl McCollums. Cheryl,
33:14
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the way the hair
33:16
Speaker 1: was found on the pliers? Was the hair lying on
33:20
Speaker 1: the pliers, was it wrapped around the pliers, was intertwined
33:23
Speaker 1: in the plers, It was stuck to the plyers. And
33:26
Speaker 1: the other significant thing is these pliers were also in
33:28
Speaker 1: a toolbox. So it's not like a hair that got
33:32
Speaker 1: you know, loose and floated and landed in the toolbox
33:35
Speaker 1: was actually to duck to it as though at one
33:38
Speaker 1: time it was either wed or bloody or whatever it
33:41
Speaker 1: might have been, but it was actually stuck, you know.
33:44
Speaker 1: To Karen Stark, New York psychologists joining us to this day,
33:48
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson insists he is innocent. Well, Dancy, Scott Peterson
33:54
Speaker 1: insisted he was in Paris. Scott Peterson insisted a lot
33:57
Speaker 1: of things. Because I think it was Robin who said
34:02
Speaker 1: he's a pathological liar. I've never seen a more textbook
34:06
Speaker 1: case of someone who fits that profile. He is able
34:11
Speaker 1: to lie very easily and believably for somebody like Amber Fry,
34:17
Speaker 1: women who he pursued as a mistress. He lied to
34:21
Speaker 1: the public, he lied on television, He answered phone calls
34:25
Speaker 1: during his interview. Do you remember that his face was
34:28
Speaker 1: completely devoid of any kind of affect. He could care
34:32
Speaker 1: less about what was happening. He couldn't even stake it
34:35
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. So here's a man who so clearly
34:41
Speaker 1: showed that he was capable of doing a crime that
34:44
Speaker 1: most of us would not even be able to consider.
34:47
Speaker 1: And it's just amazing that he still believes that he
34:51
Speaker 1: can somehow convinced the world that this did not happen
34:55
Speaker 1: when all of this proof shows that it is. You know,
34:58
Speaker 1: he made a key decision, Ashley Willcott, not to testify.
35:03
Speaker 1: Do you think it hurt him or helped him? You know,
35:05
Speaker 1: I think it would not have helped him to testify.
35:10
Speaker 1: I think regardless of what he said, I think he
35:14
Speaker 1: would have lied because that's his m He's capable only
35:18
Speaker 1: of line. I think that the jury would have seen
35:21
Speaker 1: right through it, and it only would have supported the
35:23
Speaker 1: convictions that he already received. You know, I'm thinking back
35:27
Speaker 1: on the hair and the pliers because the big argument
35:30
Speaker 1: on appeal as there's no direct evidence such as DNA
35:33
Speaker 1: this hair. According to an expert, Rodney Oswald, a hair analyst,
35:40
Speaker 1: was both hairs were mashed, splayed, and frayed by a
35:45
Speaker 1: mechanical object, suggesting they may have been torn from someone's head.
35:52
Speaker 1: Did you know that part, Cheryl McCollum, Nancy, here's what
35:55
Speaker 1: I remember. Her head was missing, so when she was
35:59
Speaker 1: recovered it was basically just for torso. So we don't
36:03
Speaker 1: know if he removed her teeth, thinking they couldn't identify
36:06
Speaker 1: or we don't know what he did to her. So
36:09
Speaker 1: what it looked like to me when I first heard
36:12
Speaker 1: that was whatever he used as the makeshift anchors, these
36:16
Speaker 1: you know, buckets that he had seamen in or whatever
36:19
Speaker 1: he tied her limbs down. Well as she decomposed in
36:23
Speaker 1: the water, the torso was the only thing that came up.
36:26
Speaker 1: You know, I still remember, Alexis Teresha, you and I
36:30
Speaker 1: covered it together the day that she went missing Christmas Eve.
36:34
Speaker 1: I cannot even imagine spending the entire day of Christmas
36:40
Speaker 1: Eve covering up my wife's murder. And this was so
36:43
Speaker 1: shocking because she is beautiful. She was about to have
36:48
Speaker 1: our baby in two point five seconds. And to hear
36:51
Speaker 1: the news break that this this woman was missing, and
36:54
Speaker 1: then you see her husband, and you immediately knew that
36:58
Speaker 1: he had something to do with it. And one of
37:00
Speaker 1: the things that he's saying in his appeal, he's saying
37:02
Speaker 1: that there were many things going on in the neighborhood
37:05
Speaker 1: that proved that somebody else committed this crime. The house
37:09
Speaker 1: across the street was broken into. There were neighbors that
37:12
Speaker 1: said that they saw Lacy. The police investigated all of
37:15
Speaker 1: this and none of these match, even though Scott's family
37:18
Speaker 1: is saying now but it points to somebody else. The
37:21
Speaker 1: police investigated this at the time and that is why
37:24
Speaker 1: his lawyer did not bring these things up. According to
37:27
Speaker 1: a jailhouse statement that was recorded, one of the burglars
37:31
Speaker 1: said Lacy, he thinks Lacy saw them burglarizing the house.
37:36
Speaker 1: They swear they burglarized the house on the twenty sixth,
37:39
Speaker 1: after Lacy went missing. The defense is bringing up a
37:44
Speaker 1: lot of evidence after six appeals, will this be the
37:47
Speaker 1: one to free Scott Peterson. Listen to our friends at
37:52
Speaker 1: Fox News, Laura Ingle. We know why he did it,
37:55
Speaker 1: to get out of the life he had and start
37:57
Speaker 1: a new one with a woman. He was having an
37:58
Speaker 1: affair with Amber Fry. We all remember this. The discovery
38:01
Speaker 1: of his affair with Fry was really the turning point
38:03
Speaker 1: in the case after Lacy Peterson was reported missing. As
38:07
Speaker 1: a group of experts discusses in the one hour special
38:10
Speaker 1: Sunday where we look at an interview he gave before
38:12
Speaker 1: his arrest, Scott Peterson never really seemed overly concerned about
38:16
Speaker 1: finding his wife. That was something that stuck out to
38:18
Speaker 1: all of us. But after the bodies of Lacy and
38:20
Speaker 1: their unborn son, Connor, washed ashore, where he said he
38:22
Speaker 1: was fishing the day she was missing, he was quickly
38:25
Speaker 1: arrested in San Diego under suspicious circumstances. He had way
38:29
Speaker 1: too much stuff to be just casually going out of town.
38:32
Speaker 1: That was being prepared to be on the run for
38:34
Speaker 1: a while. They catch him, They got him, they're taking
38:37
Speaker 1: him in. He says, I've heard that there were bodies.
38:40
Speaker 1: Tell me it wasn't them. He knows that it's them.
38:42
Speaker 1: We wait for justice to unfold. Nancy Grace Crime Stories,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,