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Mega Edition: What Did The Experts Say About The Kohberger Case Leading Up To Trial? (8/18/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. After
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Speaker 1: a recent court trip by Brian Koberger last week, there
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Speaker 1: has been a renewed cry to get things moving in
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Speaker 1: a quicker, more efficient manner. And while I certainly agree
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Speaker 1: that I'd love to see things kick off quicker, I
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Speaker 1: understand why there have been all of these delays, and
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Speaker 1: it's just something that happens in cases like this. Even
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Speaker 1: with a case like Klain Maxwell's. We had a delay
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Speaker 1: in that case as well, and it wasn't a death
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Speaker 1: penalty type of case, so I was expecting this case
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Speaker 1: to be delayed. But I understand completely why the family is,
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Speaker 1: especially you know, the Gonsales family, who has been in
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Speaker 1: the forefront for all of these months and years now.
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Speaker 1: Can't believe we're saying that years, but they've been at
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Speaker 1: the forefront looking for justice, and they've been very consistent
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Speaker 1: with their message. They want that justice and they want
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Speaker 1: it soon. And who the hell can blame them. If
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Speaker 1: it was your loved one or your daughter, you'd want
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Speaker 1: that justice to be rendered sap And they're no different.
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Speaker 1: They want the person who the government says killed their
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Speaker 1: daughter to face the justice that he deserves, and they
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Speaker 1: feel like that's being put off. And when you're in
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Speaker 1: a situation like the Gonslvices are in, it must seem
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Speaker 1: like every second is a decade. So hopefully they can
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Speaker 1: figure it all out and we can get things moving.
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Speaker 1: But when we have a death penalty style case, usually
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Speaker 1: there's all sorts of impediments on the way to justice.
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Speaker 1: Today's article is from Fox News and the headline Brian
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Speaker 1: Coolberger trial delay buys the defense time to build an alibi,
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Speaker 1: concerns about memory of loan witness. This article was authored
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Speaker 1: by Michael Ruiz, and there is some truth to that,
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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, that alibi is
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Speaker 1: going to have to withstand the scrutiny of the jury,
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Speaker 1: and if that alibi does not withstand that scrutiny, then
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Speaker 1: that alibi is going to be worth un goats. And
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Speaker 1: I think that Ann Taylor and Brian Cooberger's I think
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Speaker 1: they understand that there's one known eyewitness to the University
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Speaker 1: of Idaho student murders, a housemate who overheard sounds of
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Speaker 1: a struggle and came face to face with a massed
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Speaker 1: intruder on the night four undergrads were stabbed to death
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Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho. By the time the case goes to trial,
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Speaker 1: years will have passed, with potential implications for her memory
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Speaker 1: of the events. Well, usually that would be something that
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Speaker 1: I'd be worried about, but not so much. Here. Her
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Speaker 1: limited testimony is only going to corroborate a basic description
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Speaker 1: of who Coburger was right, A guy that wasn't, you know, muscular,
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Speaker 1: a guy that was athletically built, a guy that was
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Speaker 1: his height, bushy eyebrows, and all the rest of it.
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Speaker 1: So I'm not too concerned about the testimony from Bethany
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Speaker 1: Funk deteriorating over time because of her memory. That would
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Speaker 1: be more of an issue if it was something that
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Speaker 1: happened fifteen years ago ten years ago, So I don't
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Speaker 1: see that being too much an issue. Meanwhile, suspect Brian
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Speaker 1: Coberger's defense has bought more time to build up an
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Speaker 1: alibi and pour over vast amounts of other evidence. Letah
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Speaker 1: County District Judge John Judge is still weighing scheduling and
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Speaker 1: a defense motion to have the trial moved to another county,
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Speaker 1: and the victims' families are still waiting for justice, So
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Speaker 1: I doubt it's going to be moved to another county,
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Speaker 1: like we've discussed previously. I think what we'll see instead
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Speaker 1: is people get busted in from other counties, giving both
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Speaker 1: sides a bit of a victory. We know that the
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Speaker 1: prosecution doesn't want this to leave Moscow, and on the
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Speaker 1: flip side of that, Ann Taylor, well, she'd love to
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Speaker 1: get a victory and get it moved out of the
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Speaker 1: Leaita County. But that's not gonna happen, not in my opinion.
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Speaker 1: So I think what Judge Judge will do is bring
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Speaker 1: in jurors from a different county and get things cracking
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Speaker 1: off that way. I'm listening to both sides, and it's
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Speaker 1: a complicated case, he said during a Wednesday hearing. It's
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Speaker 1: a death penalty case. After Coburger's arrest at the end
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Speaker 1: of December of twenty twenty two, a trial had been
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Speaker 1: penciled in for October of twenty twenty three, Coberger waved
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Speaker 1: his right to a speedy proceeding, postponing the trial. More recently,
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Speaker 1: prosecutors requested a trial date for this June, but the
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Speaker 1: defense asked for more time to prepare, seeking a date
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Speaker 1: no earlier than the summer of twenty twenty five. So
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Speaker 1: I was hoping for this summer, and I thought that
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Speaker 1: that was going to be a legitimate target date. But
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Speaker 1: when you look at all of the evidence that's been
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Speaker 1: piled on and the fact that discovery still hasn't been completed,
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Speaker 1: it's very difficult for me to sit here and tell
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Speaker 1: you that I think that Coburger should be rushed into
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Speaker 1: this defense. I want it to be a home run
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Speaker 1: when all is said and done. I don't want this
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Speaker 1: dude to have any sort of technicality or loophole. I
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Speaker 1: don't want him to have any bit of debrief floating
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Speaker 1: around him as he's drowning in this conviction. And if
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Speaker 1: things aren't done the correct way, if the chain of
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Speaker 1: evidence wasn't respected, anything like that occurred, well that's going
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Speaker 1: to put the death penalty in jeopardy. We've already seen
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Speaker 1: it in Idaho with Lori Vallo, and make no mistake,
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Speaker 1: the same thing will happen here if the prosecution is
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Speaker 1: out of line. The family is of two victims, Kaylee
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Speaker 1: Gonsalves and Xana Kernodle, said an a joint statement that
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Speaker 1: regardless of when the case goes to trial, everything will
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Speaker 1: be reviewed with a fine tooth comb whether on appeal
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Speaker 1: or by the public. See, the thing is, we don't
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Speaker 1: want to wait for an appeal right because God forbid
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Speaker 1: there is some kind of misconduct or something like that,
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Speaker 1: then the clock has to start all the way over
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Speaker 1: and a new trial. So I would think that everybody
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Speaker 1: wants to avoid that. Go through the evidence again, see
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Speaker 1: you know all the gruesome pictures once again. I think
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Speaker 1: one time is going to be plenty. So I want
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Speaker 1: to make sure everything's done right and correct the first
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Speaker 1: time around. We want to start healing. We do. We
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Speaker 1: want to find justice and try to move on from
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Speaker 1: this horrible So please please start making some decision, get
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Speaker 1: to work, and quit playing the delay game, they said
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Speaker 1: through their attorney, Shannon Gray. The other victims were Gonsaalva's
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Speaker 1: best friend, Madison Mogan and Kernodle's boyfriend Ethan Chapin. Long
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Speaker 1: delays could have a negative impact on witnesses for the defense,
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Speaker 1: said James Kazari, a Michigan based attorney who represented murder
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Speaker 1: suspects at trial. Witnesses forget events or even die depending
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Speaker 1: on the length of time between charges and trial, he
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Speaker 1: told Fox News Digital. The defendant essentially loses his ability
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Speaker 1: to confer with potential defense witnesses or even to keep
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Speaker 1: track of their whereabouts. Hard to present a defense in
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Speaker 1: those situations. Also, evidence gets lost or destroyed. So it's
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Speaker 1: a two way street, right, It's a double edged sword.
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Speaker 1: And Ann Taylor and Brian Colberger's team, they understand that
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Speaker 1: they're really up against it here. You want to talk
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Speaker 1: about being down at the end of the game and
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Speaker 1: looking at toss to hell Mary, That's where they're at.
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Speaker 1: And unless there was some sort of prosecutorial misconduct in
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Speaker 1: the early stages and something wasn't collected right or something
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Speaker 1: like that, I just don't see how Coburger has any
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Speaker 1: way out of this. Although Coburger waived a six amendment
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Speaker 1: right to a speedy trial, legal precedent upholds that the
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Speaker 1: passage of time makes proof of any fact more difficult.
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Speaker 1: He said that cuts both ways, though, impacting prosecutors as well.
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Speaker 1: The delays are bad for the prosecution, said Niyama Rockmani,
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Speaker 1: a former assistant US attorney whose cases included the successful
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Speaker 1: prosecution of a fugitive killer featured on America's Most Wanted
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Speaker 1: logan Kiroga. Witness memories fade and evidence can disappear over time,
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Speaker 1: and the victims' families deserve justice. Rockmani added, if the
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Speaker 1: defense doesn't expect helpful testimony from the lone eye witness,
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Speaker 1: delays could be part of their plan, said Joseph ga Cologne,
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Speaker 1: a retired NYPD sergeant and a professor at John Jay
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Speaker 1: College of Criminal Justice. But that's not his main concern.
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Speaker 1: And Joseph gia Cologne has had these concerns from the
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Speaker 1: very beginning. And I think of all the people that
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Speaker 1: have concerns about what went down, these concerns right here
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Speaker 1: are the most valid. Delay until everyone forgets or dies,
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Speaker 1: he told Fox News Digital. I have worries about the case,
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Speaker 1: delays aren't one of them. Those issues, he said, are
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Speaker 1: related to physical evidence in the case. I have two
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Speaker 1: big ones, he said, how the crime scene was handled
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Speaker 1: and what if anything was found in his vehicle. There's
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Speaker 1: no way you could pull off a vicious scene like
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Speaker 1: that without transferring blood out into the snow and into
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Speaker 1: his vehicle. And these are all very valid, valid points,
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Speaker 1: and I can't wait to see what the prosecution has
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Speaker 1: to say about this. Now, that vehicle, it could have
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Speaker 1: been prepared previously, right with plastic and all the rest
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Speaker 1: of it so that the transfer, if there was transfer
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Speaker 1: of blood wouldn't occur. And then he takes that long
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Speaker 1: route on the way home and gets rid of all
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Speaker 1: the evidence in a burn pit or whatever. Very possible.
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Speaker 1: But the prosecution is going to have to explain to
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Speaker 1: the jury if there wasn't all kinds of transferred DNA
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Speaker 1: and blood into the car, how that occurred, and how
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Speaker 1: that's possible. Gia Colonne's questioned the integrity of the crime
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Speaker 1: scene during the early stages of the investigation, the eventual
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Speaker 1: release of the scene, and personal effects inside the home,
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Speaker 1: and the destruction of the building. All the concerns that
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Speaker 1: I have as well. If we're talking about things that
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Speaker 1: are going to have the prosecution in jeopardy, these are
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Speaker 1: all issues that are valid concerns. I don't think the
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Speaker 1: delay is something that is a valid concern from anyone
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Speaker 1: besides the families at this point, considering the massive amount
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Speaker 1: of evidence in this case, I can understand why the
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Speaker 1: families want justice right away, But the rest of us
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Speaker 1: we should be demanding that not only justice is provided,
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Speaker 1: but that everything is done by the book so that
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Speaker 1: the prosecution can get the uldmate penalty for Brian Kolberger,
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Speaker 1: if he is in fact guilty, did the gatekeeper keep
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Speaker 1: a record of who entered the crime scene at what time,
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Speaker 1: what they did, and what time they left? He asked
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Speaker 1: lots of video where the cop never gets out of
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Speaker 1: the car, was there a sign in sheet inside? Who
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Speaker 1: was supervising it being used? And these are all very
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Speaker 1: valid questions and hopefully the prosecution they have answers. When
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Speaker 1: this all first cracked off, remember it was just Moscow
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Speaker 1: PD who was at the scene. The FBI arrived a
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Speaker 1: little bit later. So was the crime scene contaminated early on?
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Speaker 1: That was certainly one of my concerns if you go
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Speaker 1: back and listen to those episodes from early on, crime
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Speaker 1: scene contamination was a big one because we're dealing with,
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Speaker 1: you know, a very sensitive situation inside of that home.
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Speaker 1: So hopefully everything was done on the up and up,
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Speaker 1: because if it wasn't, this is the sort of thing
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Speaker 1: that the defense is going to try and sink their
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Speaker 1: teeth into to try and get you know, the death
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Speaker 1: penalty off the table and whatever else as far as
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Speaker 1: concessions go that they can get from the judge. Geoclone
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Speaker 1: also took issue with the decision to return the victim's
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Speaker 1: belongings to family members while police were still monitoring the scene,
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Speaker 1: and he highlighted the initial decision to bring in a
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Speaker 1: cleaning crew to clear out the house, which was canceled
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Speaker 1: the following day before a suspect had been arrested and
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Speaker 1: defense investigators arrived. Coberger, a twenty nine year old Pennsylvania
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Speaker 1: criminology PhD student, was attending Washington State University Impullman, across
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Speaker 1: the state line from Moscow, Idaho, where prosecutors alleged he
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Speaker 1: entered an off campus home around four am on November thirteenth,
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and massacred for students with a large knife. Well, folks,
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Speaker 1: it's my guess that this debate is going to only
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Speaker 1: grow as we get more decisions from Judge Judge, and
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Speaker 1: as we make our way towards the finish line, because
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Speaker 1: there's going to be more hurdles, there's going to be
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Speaker 1: more issues that arise, and there is going to be
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Speaker 1: more outrage from both sides, and both sides are going
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Speaker 1: to try and make their point and push their narrative
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Speaker 1: to Judge Judge. But when all is said and done,
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Speaker 1: all of that's going to have to withstand the scrutiny
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Speaker 1: of the jury. So we'll see how everything plays out
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Speaker 1: over the coming weeks and months as we prepare for
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Speaker 1: the trial of Brian Cohberger. All of the information that
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Speaker 1: goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Brian
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Speaker 1: Coohberger's trial is still quite a ways off, with the
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Speaker 1: preliminary hearing being scheduled for about five months from now
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Speaker 1: in June, but up until then, there's still a lot
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Speaker 1: that's going to happen as far as this case progressing
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Speaker 1: through the courts. Unfortunately, due to the gag order, we're
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Speaker 1: not going to have access to the people who are
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Speaker 1: prosecuting the case and who are defending Brian Colberger of
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Speaker 1: these charges. So what we're going to have to do
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Speaker 1: is rely on whatever we get as far as court
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Speaker 1: filings and whatever rumbles we hear from people who are
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Speaker 1: close to the case. So on today's episode, what we're
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Speaker 1: going to do is take a look at what we
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Speaker 1: might expect leading up to the trial of Brian Coberger,
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Speaker 1: and to do that, we're going to use an article
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Speaker 1: from The Daily Evergreen, which is the student voice of
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Speaker 1: Washington State University headline explainer What to expect in State
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Speaker 1: of Idaho versus Brian Coberger case. This article was authored
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Speaker 1: by Punit Basanti and Sadie Photo Vangsa. With Brian Coberger's
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Speaker 1: next court appearance scheduled five months from now, experts weigh
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Speaker 1: in on the possibilities of the case and what we
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Speaker 1: can expect as this case unfolds. One thing I think
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Speaker 1: we can expect is a lot more twists and turns.
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Speaker 1: There's still a whole lot more about this that we
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Speaker 1: don't even know about, And honestly, as the publicly scratch
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Speaker 1: the surface of what's truly going on behind the scenes,
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Speaker 1: and that goes for both sides, right, you know that
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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger's attorneys are hard at work, just like the prosecution.
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Speaker 1: The question is what are they going to be able
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Speaker 1: to drum up? You can only make so much out
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Speaker 1: of so little, and unless they have something cooking on
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Speaker 1: the back burner, meaning the defense, I just don't see
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Speaker 1: any way out of this for Brian Cohberger. David Leroy,
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Speaker 1: Idaho trial lawyer who specializes in criminal felony defense cases,
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Speaker 1: said the prosecution will take the time allotted between now
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Speaker 1: and the preliminary hearing to prepare witnesses and evidence to
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Speaker 1: present at the hearing in order to show two things,
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Speaker 1: that there is probable cause to believe a crime was committed,
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Speaker 1: and that there is probable cause to believe that this
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Speaker 1: defendant committed the crime. And we've already seen the first salvo,
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Speaker 1: obviously from the prosecution with the probable cause affid David.
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Speaker 1: They tip their hand a little bit in that Affidavid,
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Speaker 1: obviously because they had to get the judge to sign off.
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Speaker 1: But there's no doubt that they held back evidence as
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Speaker 1: far as other DNA evidence they have and the other
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Speaker 1: strong evidence that they're going to unleash later on. So
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Speaker 1: the prosecution is only going to give them just a
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Speaker 1: little bit and then the real information dump will come
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Speaker 1: during discovery. Meanwhile, the defense will be looking at the
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Speaker 1: evidence provided in the arrest Affidavid, as well as discovery
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Speaker 1: provided by prosecution, which may include police and expert opinion reports, photographs,
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Speaker 1: and any other details involving the case. He said, So
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Speaker 1: what will happen is they'll get this whole entire portfolio,
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Speaker 1: if you will, of all of the details that have
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Speaker 1: been compiled by the investigators all of the evidence, how
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Speaker 1: they compile that evidence, the chain of custody, which officers
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Speaker 1: were working on, what part of the project, all of that,
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Speaker 1: and then the defense what they're gonna do is they're
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Speaker 1: going to unleash their own experts to go through all
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Speaker 1: of that with a fine tooth comb and look for
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Speaker 1: inconsistencies or things that might have been conducted improperly as
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Speaker 1: far as chain of custody or other procedures that the
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Speaker 1: government has to abide by. I would expect the defense
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Speaker 1: will be analyzing the details of the police reports, taking
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Speaker 1: a look at the expert opinions and scientific laboratory reports,
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Speaker 1: perhaps hiring their own experts to analyze those for them
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Speaker 1: to prepare for that hearing and for a possible trial,
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Speaker 1: Leroy said, And a lot of that comes down to money, right,
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Speaker 1: If you have the right amount of money, you can
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Speaker 1: hire as many experts as you want. For instance, if
16:47
Speaker 1: you're trying to get off of a rico case, meaning
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Speaker 1: a racketeering case, forget it. You're looking at millions of
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Speaker 1: dollars being spent on attorneys and experts, forensic accountants, you
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Speaker 1: name it. And when you're talking about a quadruple homicide,
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Speaker 1: You're certainly talking about a lot of different experts that
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Speaker 1: are going to have to be brought in. So I
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Speaker 1: don't know where Brian Kohberger is going to get all
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Speaker 1: the money for all of these experts, or if the
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Speaker 1: state of Idaho is going to give him a large
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Speaker 1: budget where he's able to get that via taxpayer dollars.
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Speaker 1: But either way, the defense is going to want their
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Speaker 1: own specialists to take a look at all of this
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Speaker 1: information that has been compiled and turned over as evidence.
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Speaker 1: Even in simple cases, additional time can be requested and
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Speaker 1: granted to allow for time to go over evidence. He said.
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Speaker 1: It's not uncommon to ask for a delay. It is
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Speaker 1: atypical to set the hearing out for six months, but
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Speaker 1: certainly understandable in this case with all of the complicated
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Speaker 1: fact patterns and different kinds of scientific evidence that we have,
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Speaker 1: that both the defense and prosecution would want to analyze
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Speaker 1: that evidence and prepare for cross examination. Leroy said, and
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Speaker 1: I agree with that this is a complex case with
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Speaker 1: a lot of twists and turns, with very high stakes.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about somebody who's possibly going to be facing
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Speaker 1: the death penalty, so it's a good idea to make
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Speaker 1: sure all of the evidence is solid. Make sure that
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Speaker 1: everything is ironclad. That way, when you bring it to
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Speaker 1: the jury, there's no doubt. And of course the defense
18:24
Speaker 1: they're going to be looking to go the opposite way, right,
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Speaker 1: They're going to be looking at punch holes in every
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Speaker 1: last thing that is brought to the attention of the
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Speaker 1: jury by the prosecution. Once all the evidence is presented
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Speaker 1: at the preliminary hearing, the defendant will either be found
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Speaker 1: by a judge who determines there is enough probable cause,
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Speaker 1: or the defendant can waive their right to that hearing,
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Speaker 1: in which case the defendant would then appear before a
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Speaker 1: district judge and enter a plea. He said, there is
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Speaker 1: a chance of another hearing held between now and the
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Speaker 1: preliminary hearing if the defense or the prosecution has request,
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Speaker 1: but the next significant hearing will be the one held
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Speaker 1: in June. Leroy said, so, yeah, that's the one that's
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Speaker 1: going to set the table up. Until then, everything's gonna
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Speaker 1: be procedural, like he was saying here, if there's some
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Speaker 1: sort of issue, they might try and get in front
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Speaker 1: of the judge, but a lot of this is going
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Speaker 1: to be done with filings. So one side'll have a filing,
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Speaker 1: then the other side will counter that filing with their own,
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Speaker 1: and then the judge will have to make a decision.
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Speaker 1: And there's going to be a bunch of that as
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Speaker 1: we get to the point where we're at the trial.
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Speaker 1: It is also possible that both the prosecution and defense
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Speaker 1: could ask for a change of venue. If granted, this
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Speaker 1: would move the trial to a different Idaho county where
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Speaker 1: there may be less publicity about the case, which would
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Speaker 1: increase the likelihood of having an objective jury. He said,
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Speaker 1: And I don't think we're going to see that, honestly,
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Speaker 1: But however, we might see the judge pull a move
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Speaker 1: like we saw Judge goalpull down in Delphi and have
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Speaker 1: jurors come in from a different county. Because if you
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Speaker 1: move the whole entire operation, you're talking about a lot
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Speaker 1: of money and people who might not be able to
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Speaker 1: get to these hearings. Right, the family members, people who
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Speaker 1: are affected, they have a right to show up at
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Speaker 1: this trial and look at the accused and make sure
20:20
Speaker 1: that he's held accountable. So if you move it out
20:23
Speaker 1: of the jurisdiction, how are people supposed to do that
20:26
Speaker 1: with all of their other duties work and school and
20:28
Speaker 1: all the rest of it. So I think a solid
20:30
Speaker 1: workaround will be to just mimic what happened down in Delphi.
20:35
Speaker 1: When New York Times reporter Nicholas bogel Burrows descended upon
20:39
Speaker 1: Layta County to cover the Moscow homicides with fellow reporter
20:43
Speaker 1: Mike Baker, he was met with a few surprises. Bogel
20:47
Speaker 1: Burrows has had experience covering high profile crimes and court cases,
20:52
Speaker 1: from the Derek Chauvin to the Kyle Rittenhouse trials. He
20:56
Speaker 1: is familiar with approaching these cases. One thing you learn
21:01
Speaker 1: real quick covering this kind of stuff is that all
21:03
Speaker 1: of these places, meaning these counties, these districts, they all
21:06
Speaker 1: have different rules. So one courthouse might have a set
21:10
Speaker 1: of rules and then the next courthouse has a completely
21:13
Speaker 1: different set of rules. And that's what mister bogl Burroughs
21:17
Speaker 1: found here. I think it's been somewhat unique, not without president,
21:22
Speaker 1: but somewhat unique to have this very broad gag order.
21:25
Speaker 1: He said, Yeah, look, this gag order is certainly something
21:28
Speaker 1: that needs to be discussed, right. It's very broad and
21:32
Speaker 1: the scope of it is very large. So I don't
21:36
Speaker 1: know if it's going to stand as is, but as
21:39
Speaker 1: of now, these are the rules that everybody has to
21:41
Speaker 1: abide by as far as people who are working the case.
21:46
Speaker 1: The non dissemination order for the Coburger Court case prohibits
21:50
Speaker 1: law enforcement, the prosecuting and defense attorneys, as well as
21:54
Speaker 1: the attorneys for the victims and their families from speaking
21:57
Speaker 1: to the public or the media about the investigation. He
22:01
Speaker 1: said that while every case is different, in his experience,
22:05
Speaker 1: he has covered high profile trials with far less restrictive
22:09
Speaker 1: non dissemination orders. That's a fact. This is a very
22:13
Speaker 1: very restrictive order and it's certainly infringing on the First
22:18
Speaker 1: Amendment rights of the American public, There is no doubt
22:21
Speaker 1: about that. But the judge believes that there is cause.
22:25
Speaker 1: So we'll have to see how it all works out,
22:27
Speaker 1: especially now with these media organizations getting into the fray.
22:32
Speaker 1: That's obviously done to protect the fairness of the proceedings,
22:36
Speaker 1: but also from a media perspective, of course, it creates
22:39
Speaker 1: a challenge in trying to learn more about the case,
22:42
Speaker 1: Bogo Burrow said. He said that reporters just need to
22:46
Speaker 1: learn to abide by the non dissemination order and report
22:49
Speaker 1: on what they can while following it. That's the right
22:51
Speaker 1: way to go about it. Report on what you can
22:55
Speaker 1: follow along with the court filings, and fill in the
22:58
Speaker 1: blanks whenever there is some inform that becomes available. Bogo
23:04
Speaker 1: Burrow said when Coburger's first hearing came around, he was
23:07
Speaker 1: concerned because the seating inside the courtroom was first come,
23:11
Speaker 1: first serve. He arrived shortly after five am and found
23:14
Speaker 1: out that the hearing was going to be around nine
23:17
Speaker 1: thirty am. Well, that's how a lot of these proceedings go.
23:21
Speaker 1: The Glenn Maxwell trial was also first come, first serve,
23:24
Speaker 1: but they had an overflow room for her trial. I
23:27
Speaker 1: don't know if they're going to do that here. My
23:29
Speaker 1: guess is the media will request that, but I'm not
23:33
Speaker 1: too sure. When he arrived in the courtroom, one of
23:37
Speaker 1: the rules was that they can only use pen and paper.
23:40
Speaker 1: Bogo Burrow said this rule is more common in federal
23:43
Speaker 1: courthouses than a county court. However, he knows every place
23:47
Speaker 1: is different. When covering high profile cases, Bogo Burrows keeps
23:51
Speaker 1: in mind the tragedy at the center of them. He said,
23:54
Speaker 1: when you have fifty journalists in a room, I think
23:56
Speaker 1: sometimes people can forget how intensely difficult. The legal proceedings
24:00
Speaker 1: are for the parties who are actually involved. Bogo Burrow said,
24:05
Speaker 1: there's no doubt that we have to keep in mind
24:07
Speaker 1: that these are real people, and real lives were absolutely
24:12
Speaker 1: and tragically altered forever. Imagine waking up and your brother
24:16
Speaker 1: or your sister is no longer here. Imagine what that
24:20
Speaker 1: would do to your life, How it would shatter your
24:22
Speaker 1: whole entire perception of what the future is supposed to be.
24:27
Speaker 1: So whenever we're talking about cases like this, or talking
24:31
Speaker 1: about any situation that's affecting people's lives like this, we
24:35
Speaker 1: have to keep in mind that these are real people.
24:38
Speaker 1: So it's nice to hear that a national reporter from
24:41
Speaker 1: an outlet like the New York Times it recognizes that
24:45
Speaker 1: and keeps it in mind, because we all know how
24:48
Speaker 1: it goes for the legacy media. If it bleeds, it leads,
24:51
Speaker 1: and there's really nothing they won't do to get those clicks.
24:55
Speaker 1: So it's going to be interesting to see how the
24:57
Speaker 1: media reacts to this gag order, and it's certainly going
25:00
Speaker 1: to be interesting to see how the national media covers
25:03
Speaker 1: this moving forward. All right, folks, well that's going to
25:07
Speaker 1: do it for this one. All of the information that
25:10
Speaker 1: goes along with this episode can be found in the
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Speaker 1: description box. We all know A guy places what's up everyone,
25:18
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. Police in Moscow and
25:22
Speaker 1: investigators in charge of the case have come under intense
25:26
Speaker 1: scrutiny for the way that things have been handled in
25:29
Speaker 1: certain regards. However, there are plenty of experts out there
25:34
Speaker 1: who have a differing opinion, who say that people, meaning us,
25:38
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be so quick to rush to judgment and
25:41
Speaker 1: we should give it time, meaning the investigation to play out.
25:45
Speaker 1: And while I agree with that one hundred percent, I
25:48
Speaker 1: do have some issues obviously with the way things are packaged.
25:53
Speaker 1: And if you're not going to have a clear and
25:55
Speaker 1: concise message, then you need to just have updates in
25:59
Speaker 1: the digital variety like the one we read earlier that
26:02
Speaker 1: was perfect. Why do they need to have a whole
26:04
Speaker 1: ass press conference if they have nothing to offer? And
26:07
Speaker 1: I think for me, that's been the biggest criticism as
26:10
Speaker 1: far as the police or the investigators that I've had
26:13
Speaker 1: so far, because I'm not somebody who thinks I know
26:18
Speaker 1: what's going on behind the scenes. I know I don't
26:21
Speaker 1: they have all kinds of irons in the fire. They're
26:24
Speaker 1: chasing down, you know, leads, and they're not going to
26:27
Speaker 1: divulge that to us. They don't owe it to us.
26:30
Speaker 1: But I think they do owe the community, people following
26:34
Speaker 1: the case, and especially the family members a clear and
26:39
Speaker 1: concise message whenever they decide to have a press conference,
26:43
Speaker 1: because if they do that and it's clear, it's concise,
26:46
Speaker 1: and it's to the point, and there's no room for interpretation,
26:50
Speaker 1: then they get rid of a lot of the vacuum
26:53
Speaker 1: where some of these conspiracy theories pop up. So if
26:57
Speaker 1: they have a better messaging system and they're more clear
27:00
Speaker 1: with what they're talking about, they would cut a lot
27:02
Speaker 1: of these conspiracy theories off right at the knees. So
27:05
Speaker 1: that's why I'm so adamant talking about how crucial I
27:08
Speaker 1: think it is to have proper messaging, and I think
27:12
Speaker 1: moving forward, they're starting to get the hang of that
27:14
Speaker 1: a little bit, and hopefully we don't see any more
27:17
Speaker 1: of those press conferences until they really have something to share.
27:23
Speaker 1: So today's article is from Fox News headline Idaho murders
27:27
Speaker 1: attackers should be looking over his shoulders, expert warns, experts warn,
27:32
Speaker 1: agains rushed the judgment as Moscow police rule out possible
27:35
Speaker 1: suspects in University of Idaho murders, and I think this
27:39
Speaker 1: caused a lot of confusion as well, ruling people out
27:42
Speaker 1: very quickly, no explanations of why they ruled people out,
27:46
Speaker 1: not even giving out alibis, so of course there's going
27:50
Speaker 1: to be confusion. The author of this article is Stephanie Pugonis.
27:55
Speaker 1: As family members and some on social media are questioning
27:59
Speaker 1: investigators decisions to rule out certain people as suspects in
28:03
Speaker 1: the ongoing University of Idaho murder probe, experts are cautioning
28:07
Speaker 1: the public against rushing to judgment and noting that their
28:11
Speaker 1: circumstances in such a complex case are often quick to change.
28:16
Speaker 1: This is something I said from the beginning. This is
28:18
Speaker 1: an evolving story, and speaking in absolutes is really not
28:22
Speaker 1: a great idea from the authorities unless they have something
28:25
Speaker 1: that's concrete, because if you leave something open to interpretation,
28:28
Speaker 1: you better believe that the public, the media, and people
28:32
Speaker 1: following the case, well, they're going to interpret it. Police
28:36
Speaker 1: handling the Moscow, Idaho quadruple homicide investigation have tentatively ruled
28:41
Speaker 1: out seven parties as of Monday, most recently adding a
28:44
Speaker 1: man who appeared to briefly follow one of the victims
28:47
Speaker 1: to the list of those whom the police said they
28:50
Speaker 1: do not believe are involved, and we talked a little
28:53
Speaker 1: bit about that as well. Earlier. The alleged stalking incident
28:57
Speaker 1: seems to me that it was a couple of college
28:58
Speaker 1: kids trying to pick up girls? Now is it something
29:01
Speaker 1: more than that. Perhaps I wasn't there, but just on
29:04
Speaker 1: the surface, the very surface of it all seems to
29:08
Speaker 1: me that you have a couple of dudes who were
29:10
Speaker 1: out trolling for some girls. The most recent development was
29:16
Speaker 1: announced just days after Christy Gonsalves, the mother of victim
29:20
Speaker 1: Kayley Gonsolves, told News Nation she felt that there had
29:23
Speaker 1: been a couple of individuals that were cleared very fast
29:27
Speaker 1: that should not have been. Now, we have to always
29:29
Speaker 1: remember that the families are suffering, they're in mourning, and
29:33
Speaker 1: they want answers, So they're going to be a lot
29:35
Speaker 1: more critical of the investigation, and I believe that they're
29:39
Speaker 1: well within their rights to be. So if it was
29:42
Speaker 1: my kid, I already told you I'd be acting ignorant
29:45
Speaker 1: as hell. Probably I certainly wouldn't be the person that
29:49
Speaker 1: anyone would want as the spokesman for what's going on.
29:53
Speaker 1: And while people might want to criticize mister Gonsalves for
29:57
Speaker 1: his commentary to the public to the media, I get it.
30:00
Speaker 1: None of us are walking in his shoes. He has
30:02
Speaker 1: no answers, and he wants justice for his daughter. She
30:08
Speaker 1: later added, I just know there were people that definitely
30:11
Speaker 1: should have been looked at. But two experts who have
30:14
Speaker 1: each spent time in Moscow, Idaho during the ongoing crime investigation,
30:19
Speaker 1: emphasized the police could be clearing these people as suspects
30:22
Speaker 1: for many reasons and could later re examine the individuals
30:26
Speaker 1: for possible involvement should new information or evidence arise. Now
30:30
Speaker 1: that's interesting. That's an interesting little tidbit. So some of
30:34
Speaker 1: the people that might have been cleared early. Does that
30:37
Speaker 1: mean that the police are going to go back and
30:39
Speaker 1: reevaluate what's going on and then perhaps come back to
30:42
Speaker 1: one of these people. I guess it's a possibility. Now.
30:46
Speaker 1: I don't want to speculate too far about that happening
30:50
Speaker 1: because I don't have that information in front of me,
30:52
Speaker 1: but it's certainly something that could happen. Now. Do I
30:56
Speaker 1: think the police are zeroing in on one of these
30:58
Speaker 1: people already and they're planning some kind of four D chess. No,
31:01
Speaker 1: I do not, But that doesn't mean that they won't
31:04
Speaker 1: come back, circle around and maybe have some different information
31:08
Speaker 1: that shines a different light on one of the people
31:11
Speaker 1: they ruled out previously. Now, on the flip side of that,
31:15
Speaker 1: what if one of these ruled out people ends up
31:17
Speaker 1: being the killer and they kill again while they've been
31:20
Speaker 1: ruled out. Do I find that likely? No? I don't,
31:24
Speaker 1: but imagine the pr nightmare that would be for the investigators.
31:28
Speaker 1: So it's definitely a fine line that they're walking with
31:30
Speaker 1: everything that they're doing, and if they're ruling these people out,
31:35
Speaker 1: we have to think or hope at least that there's
31:38
Speaker 1: a reason that they're doing it. Even if this purpose
31:43
Speaker 1: out there and feels like he thinks he's gotten one
31:45
Speaker 1: over on them because he's been cleared, he should be
31:48
Speaker 1: looking over his shoulder, explain Fox News analyst Paul Morrow,
31:51
Speaker 1: a retired inspector with the New York Police Department. You know,
31:55
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us look at this case,
31:57
Speaker 1: and usually when there's a murder something like this, it's
32:00
Speaker 1: pretty quick that we have some answers. You know, usually
32:04
Speaker 1: the police zero in on somebody at the very least
32:06
Speaker 1: they have a suspect, and I think the shock to
32:09
Speaker 1: the system is we haven't seen any of that so
32:12
Speaker 1: far in this case. It's been a total loss for
32:15
Speaker 1: people as far as who might have done it. You've
32:17
Speaker 1: had people going so far as saying, well, this person
32:20
Speaker 1: looks guilty and that's just crazy town. But that's what happens.
32:24
Speaker 1: When there's a lack of information, people are going to
32:27
Speaker 1: let their minds run wild. Morrow, who was also an attorney,
32:32
Speaker 1: spoke to Fox News Digital on Monday from Moscow, where
32:35
Speaker 1: he has spent several days over the course of the
32:37
Speaker 1: past three weeks. He added that police cleared some people
32:41
Speaker 1: very early, including several people who were tentatively ruled out
32:45
Speaker 1: after a week. Because it was so early in the case,
32:48
Speaker 1: they weren't operating off a ton of information, Moro said,
32:51
Speaker 1: And even if you were cleared, if new information comes
32:54
Speaker 1: to light, you come back in. And this is something
32:57
Speaker 1: that is one hundred percent true. There's been plenty of
33:01
Speaker 1: cases where people have been ruled out and then the
33:03
Speaker 1: police reevaluated, found new information and neldom hell, look at
33:08
Speaker 1: what we got going on with Richard Allen. This guy
33:11
Speaker 1: was known to the police in twenty seventeen and due
33:14
Speaker 1: to a clerical error, was able to skate for all
33:16
Speaker 1: of these years. So, as mister Morrow is saying here,
33:19
Speaker 1: this isn't something that never happens. Certainly the police go back,
33:23
Speaker 1: they reevaluate, they take a look at things, and they
33:26
Speaker 1: might have a suspect where they thought there wasn't one before.
33:32
Speaker 1: He described two different versions of cleared, one in which
33:36
Speaker 1: a person has a rock solid alibi whose lack of
33:39
Speaker 1: involvement was somehow proven, and one that involves an alibi
33:43
Speaker 1: that hasn't been fully checked out, or perhaps something that
33:47
Speaker 1: was just a feeling that they got when they were
33:49
Speaker 1: doing interviews. Well, to play the devil's advocate here, why
33:53
Speaker 1: would you start ruling people out before having all of
33:55
Speaker 1: the evidence, just say we don't have any suspects and
33:59
Speaker 1: our investigation is ongoing. The whole ruling people out and
34:02
Speaker 1: then going back and having to say, oh, they are
34:04
Speaker 1: a suspect, that most certainly opens the investigation up to criticism,
34:10
Speaker 1: and whether it's rightly placed or wrongly placed, that's just
34:13
Speaker 1: how it goes. If it was something that they've just
34:16
Speaker 1: felt off in the interviews or something. Then maybe when
34:19
Speaker 1: they start doing the forensics, they start to say, well,
34:22
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this person has come back in. He said, Remember,
34:26
Speaker 1: this is a very very digital society, This is a
34:29
Speaker 1: very very digital community. And again, look, I agree with
34:32
Speaker 1: all of that, but my biggest gripe here is the
34:36
Speaker 1: police messaging from Jump Street. Why even say anything. You
34:40
Speaker 1: didn't have to say anything about any of this. Nobody's cleared.
34:43
Speaker 1: We have an investigation that's ongoing, and we have no
34:46
Speaker 1: other comments to make. But instead you start talking about
34:49
Speaker 1: this one's cleared, that one's cleared, and you open the
34:51
Speaker 1: door for all kinds of conversation. And Morrow noted that
34:55
Speaker 1: if police do hit a dead end in their investigation,
34:58
Speaker 1: they're going to go back and start over and start
35:01
Speaker 1: questioning some of the premise that they've been operating under.
35:04
Speaker 1: And if one of those premises that well, we've cleared
35:07
Speaker 1: so and so, they're going to say, well, now do
35:10
Speaker 1: we know that? Yeah, okay, that's fine and well, but
35:13
Speaker 1: that's kind of a waste of time in my opinion. Now, again,
35:16
Speaker 1: I'm not a professional forensic guy or an investigator, but
35:21
Speaker 1: I think that going over road that's already been explored
35:25
Speaker 1: in the middle of this investigation with this psychopath still
35:28
Speaker 1: out there, Well, that might not be the best use
35:31
Speaker 1: of resources. You should have done that in the beginning.
35:33
Speaker 1: Right now. Again, I'm sure that they did their investigation,
35:37
Speaker 1: looked at all of these people. This one wasn't here,
35:40
Speaker 1: has an alibi, blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah.
35:42
Speaker 1: But they don't have to come out and tell the
35:44
Speaker 1: public that this one's cleared or that one's cleared. Why
35:48
Speaker 1: would you do that. There was no reason for them
35:50
Speaker 1: to do that at all. Now, I know people will say, well,
35:54
Speaker 1: they wanted to end some of the rumors, Well you
35:56
Speaker 1: just created more. And asked if they thought police might
36:01
Speaker 1: be employing a strategy in stating publicly that they did
36:04
Speaker 1: not believe certain people were involved, Morow and fellow Fox
36:08
Speaker 1: News analyst Ted Williams were skeptical. I am very doubtful
36:12
Speaker 1: that this is some sort of strategy, Moro said. I
36:14
Speaker 1: would not assess that they were in a position where
36:17
Speaker 1: they were playing some long strategy game because it was
36:20
Speaker 1: so early in the case. I feel like that means
36:23
Speaker 1: that at the time they likely believed what they released. Again,
36:28
Speaker 1: all fine and well, but going back and if you
36:31
Speaker 1: look at it in hindsight, releasing it at all was
36:34
Speaker 1: a bad idea, especially just saying this one was cleared
36:37
Speaker 1: or that one was cleared without any sort of context. So, okay,
36:41
Speaker 1: we cleared them, Okay, how did you clear them? What
36:44
Speaker 1: was the investigatory process that went into it? If you
36:48
Speaker 1: brought it up, meaning the investigators, you should add some context.
36:52
Speaker 1: That's why, once again, they shouldn't have said it in
36:54
Speaker 1: the first place. William a former Washington d C. Homicide detective,
37:02
Speaker 1: told Fox News Digital that the totality of the forensic
37:05
Speaker 1: circumstances led him to doubt the possibility of such a strategy.
37:09
Speaker 1: The renowned attorney called the investigation a case of a
37:12
Speaker 1: different nature when it comes to clearing individuals. That's certainly
37:16
Speaker 1: an understatement, and again, none of this tracks with anything
37:20
Speaker 1: that we've seen before. Really, this is a case unto itself,
37:24
Speaker 1: and there's really no precedent for what we're seeing here,
37:27
Speaker 1: at least that I can find. Whoever killed these students
37:32
Speaker 1: would have been covered in blood and possibly may have
37:35
Speaker 1: been injured as a result of one of the killings.
37:37
Speaker 1: He said, the person or persons associated with the killing
37:40
Speaker 1: of these four students would have left a great deal
37:43
Speaker 1: of trace evidence, such as a handprint, a fingerprint, or footprints,
37:47
Speaker 1: all of those things law enforcement would use to rule
37:50
Speaker 1: someone in or rule somebody out, predicated based upon the
37:54
Speaker 1: forensic testing and the various evidence that they've gathered at
37:57
Speaker 1: the scene. Wouldn't that lead you to believe that ruling
38:02
Speaker 1: people out before the evidence is in, the DNA evidence
38:05
Speaker 1: and all of the rest of it is not a
38:07
Speaker 1: great idea. So I'm just confused as to why they
38:11
Speaker 1: would rule people out. Now, they might have had some evidence,
38:14
Speaker 1: but when the authorities make vague statements and they just
38:17
Speaker 1: say this one's been ruled out or that one's been
38:19
Speaker 1: ruled out, and there is no context for that, it's
38:23
Speaker 1: very very confusing, and of course people are going to
38:26
Speaker 1: have questions. He added in plain words, this is a
38:31
Speaker 1: different kind of case when it comes to clearing individuals.
38:34
Speaker 1: This case is driven by forensics. This case is driven
38:37
Speaker 1: by blood splatter, This case is driven by possible hand fingerprints, footprints,
38:42
Speaker 1: or some physical evidence that was left at the crime scene. Well,
38:46
Speaker 1: the likelihood is, yes, that's the case, But I'd like
38:50
Speaker 1: to add this little tidbit. What if it's not solved
38:54
Speaker 1: by forensics. What then the students were discovered dead inside
39:01
Speaker 1: a three story home located just a block from the
39:03
Speaker 1: University of Idaho campus perimeter and with an eyeshot of
39:07
Speaker 1: some fraternity houses. Kernodle, Gonsalves, and Mogan lived at the
39:11
Speaker 1: home with two other women who were not injured. A
39:14
Speaker 1: sixth person who was listed on the lease but was
39:16
Speaker 1: said to have moved out and police did not believe
39:19
Speaker 1: they were involved. Chapin was Kernodle's boyfriend and was with
39:23
Speaker 1: her at the time of the attack. Police have said
39:27
Speaker 1: the victims were asleep around three am and four am
39:30
Speaker 1: on November thirteenth when they were stabbed multiple times on
39:33
Speaker 1: the second and third floors of the three story home.
39:36
Speaker 1: The medical examiner determined some of the victims had shown
39:39
Speaker 1: signs of fighting back. Moscow police officers responded around eleven
39:45
Speaker 1: to fifty eight am to a report of an unconscious
39:48
Speaker 1: person at the address, but several people had gathered at
39:51
Speaker 1: the crime scene by the time the police arrived. Officials said.
39:55
Speaker 1: Investigators believe the attack was targeted. Police said, despite some
39:59
Speaker 1: confusion as to how or why, police have not identified
40:04
Speaker 1: the intended victim. The nine to one. One call originated
40:07
Speaker 1: from inside the residence and came from one of the
40:10
Speaker 1: surviving roommates cell phones. Police said multiple people allegedly spoke
40:15
Speaker 1: to the dispatcher. Now, what we still don't know is
40:18
Speaker 1: if the crime scene has been contaminated. We don't know
40:22
Speaker 1: if anyone was in the bedrooms. We don't know any
40:24
Speaker 1: of that stuff yet, so any conversation surrounding that is
40:28
Speaker 1: simply speculation. Mogan and Gonsalvez were sleeping on the same
40:33
Speaker 1: floor in the same bed when they were stabbed multiple times,
40:36
Speaker 1: according to police and family members, Chapin and Kernodle were
40:40
Speaker 1: on a different floor. The surviving roommates were on the
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Speaker 1: bottom floor of the home at the time, and survived.
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Speaker 1: Investigators have received more than two thousand, six hundred and
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Speaker 1: forty five emails and over two seven hundred and seventy
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Speaker 1: calls to the City of Moscow tip line. Police said Saturday,
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Speaker 1: the FBI has received more than one thousand and eighty
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Speaker 1: four digital media submissions. Police are also analyzing one hundred
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Speaker 1: and thirteen pieces of physical evidence and about four thousand
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Speaker 1: photos from the King Road crime scene. Investigators are still
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Speaker 1: working to identify a suspect and they have not yet
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Speaker 1: recovered a weapon. Well, folks, that's gonna do it for
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Speaker 1: this one. But I thought it was an interesting ad
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Speaker 1: considering they were talking a little bit about going back
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Speaker 1: and reevaluating some people who might have been cleared earlier
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Speaker 1: on in the investigation. And I think a lot of
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Speaker 1: people are confused why people were, you know, cleared so
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Speaker 1: early in this investigation. And any context that we can
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Speaker 1: provide to help guide us as to why that happened,
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Speaker 1: I think is a quality ad to the catalog. So
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Speaker 1: there you have it, folks, and that's going to do
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