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Your Body Has a Message For You · Giving Pain Purpose with Lyndsay Soprano

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This is Your Pain Game podcast where we talk about the game of living in
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and with chronic pain and trauma, getting to the heart of how to heal.
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I am your host, Lindsay Soprano. On the show, I plan
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on discussing with doctors, chronic pain patients, holistic practitioners, loved ones,
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and anybody that is interested in having their voice heard in the chronic pain and
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trauma world that we live in. Fear, oh rights, my god,
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we all have our fears, right, And when you google the definition and
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I googled it for this episode, which is totally Lindsay right, an unpleasant
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emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous, likely to cause
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pain, or a threat. I don't know about you, but that just
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like kind of grosses me out that it's considered to be an unpleasant emotion,
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right, So do we even really know what fear is? Then? Because
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I don't find fear to be an unpleasant emotion. I find it fucking scary
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as shit, right, And I have massive safety issues, which anybody that
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has listened to the show and at Infantum I talk about safety. It comes
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from childhood trauma, it comes from high school trauma from college, trauma from
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adulthood, trauma. It comes from so much trauma, right, and that
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fear that lives within me. I feel that part of my pain issues are
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because of that fear, that unsafe, that feeling that something else is,
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what other ball is going to drop? What else could happen to me?
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That is so scary all the time, especially when you live in pain,
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right, Like I fear that I will lose loved ones that because they can't
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handle my CRPS, they can't handle how I define my pain, how they
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I live in fear that they'll abandon me. They I'll be left in you
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know, like Las Vegas in the desert for dead because of my CRPS right
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and what I am daily dosed and there are slowly but shortly, I feel
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like I'm actually gaining more people in my world than less. And that is
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so interesting because I've lived in so much fear that I was going to lose
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and I'm starting to gain. But that has been a complete mindset shift within
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me that has helped, like I don't know, setting out the intention,
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setting it out in the universe, that energy within me in order to feel
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that way, like I mean, I even feel unsafe like calling a lift
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or an uber driver to pick me up if I'm alone because I have a
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wheelchair and I can't run, I can't flee, I can't hop out,
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I can't do those things, and so I feel stuck. Let's talk about
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it, right, Let's talk about safety. Let's talk about pain, and
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let's talk about how to feel protected and how to help desensitize our nervous systems
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from past traumas and manage our current ones. And let's be real. I
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mean, life is in a box of fucking chocolates, all right, Like
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first, Gump, you fucking ask whole God damn me, Wood's not.
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So, without further ado, I'd like to introduce you to Forrest Gump,
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I mean Andrea Moore. And sorry that was totally not scripted. That was
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me just being an ass, Like, yes, doctor Andrea Moore, what's
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a girl? Oh my god, I'm so excited to be here. And
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oh my gosh, everything you spoke to I have the chills all over.
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So I'm chills the safety. So I'd like to start with talking about your
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experience with pain, because I know it's kind of where it all started with
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you, and then how you kind of you know, it became the badass
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that you are. But we'll get there. I mean, I'm still getting
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there, but thank you. Let's see. I always just like to be
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like there is I feel like my story is so convolute and it has so
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many just like twists and turns, it stops and starts, and at the
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end of the day, it's like my journey with chronic pain almost started by
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accident because I lived in pain for so long that I didn't know it was
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abnormal and to the point where like when I was like a teenager, like
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I was, I remember going to physical therapy once. I remember asking doctors.
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I remember when I was a kid, like talking to my parents.
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My sister remembers me complaining about my joints hurting all the time, and they're
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just like, it's fine, it's fine, You're fine. Everyone's like you're
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fine. Because it wasn't like debilitating. It was just very aggravating. And
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it wasn't until I became a physical therapist, which was a whole other story
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of why that's not why I became a physical therapist that I would ask like
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you're trained to ask people like you're like, you know, coming in for
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their knee pain, and you're always trained to be like, Okay, what
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else hurts? Is there anything else that's bothering you? And people will just
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like look me dead in the eye and be like nope. And I'm like,
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come on, like you took your Try to tell me your back doesn't
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hurt a little or your hits neck, and they were like, people look
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at me like I was crazy because I was like, would like push their
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buttons. I was like, I don't believe you. There's gotta be something
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wrong with you. Yeah. It always literally by that to be like,
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oh what I'm feeling it? Because I just thought I was a baby about
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it. I thought everyone else felt like that and I was the only one
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that was such a baby that couldn't tolerate it, and that I was the
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only one complaining about it. And it was just like that's normal, That's
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just what it is to live in a human body. So from there,
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I have had multiple separate instances of chronic pain. Obviously, just this long
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lasting joint pain like it used to present in all kinds of different ways of
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like shooting pains, Like I'd just be sitting there and it's just like a
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lightning bolt would like hit me in random places, you know. Other times
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it was just like anytime I'd go to move a joint or my knee or
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like it was always moving around, always different. I've also dealt with like
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psiatic pain. I have dealt with when I was pregnant, incredibly bad pubic
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symphasis pain that lasted for a couple of years. I have dealt with.
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One of the most traumatic ones that I'm not even mentioning them all was after
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we're doing that shortless the Shortless right now. It's so funny because it's like
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it's great though, because it's like people would come in I feel and they're
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like, here's my pain. I'm like, yeah, I got you.
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I know exactly what you mean. I felt it all. And also I
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would take on as of when I was working as a physical therapist, before
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I learned energetic boundaries, I would just take on people's pain. Of course,
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yea. I have struggled with that doing this show because I am an
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EmPATH. Like nobody's business, but these stories of people that they share with
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us for our listeners and everybody here, it is nuts because I was taking
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on like their own their traumas, their sadness, all of this stuff,
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and I had to figure out a way to clear, like I would finish
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up an episode, and I'll do it with you when I'm done, because
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you're just totally triggering me. Kidding, no, But when we're done,
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we're still talking about stuff. We're still talking about safety, we're still talking
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about fear, we're talking about pain. If then that conversation of your in
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eyes today will continue to stay with me, I just have to find a
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way to say, Hey, that can still be part of my life,
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but it doesn't need to be part of the fabric of my being because I
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take it in. I take it in so much, and I feel for
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you, I feel for everybody I talk to. It's a blessing and a
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curse man. Totally yes, yes to all of that. But yeah,
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what really just was the kind of pivotal point in my life. It's when
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I got into a car accident and so I was left with postconcussive syndrome and
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I was out of work for six months. And this was just so unlike
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the other pains I had experienced. Because all in retrospect now, of course,
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and everything's in retrospect that we can say a lot of times is that
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I think the way my parents handled my pain actually gave me kind of a
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superpower, and that I never really had a fear about it. It just
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was and it was just like it was just part of me. So like
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it's like I remember, especially in physical therapy school, which is a whole
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irony because I'm sitting here learning about all this stuff and not in pain myself,
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where it's like I remember, I would not I would be almost fall
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like walking upstairs because like my knees would just give out on me, or
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like would hurt so bad. But I was just I never made it mean
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anything. It was just there, which I know sounds really weird. But
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when I had my car accident, that was different. Those symptoms were so
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different because it affected my intelligence, It affected the thing that I basically valued
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the most, and it was such an invisible I mean, obviously my other
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pain was invisible too, but I I mean it was I felt like I
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could live my life with it, whereas the concussion was different. It's like
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it stopped me from doing the things that I love and no one was taking
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me seriously. But yeah, I'm sure everybody listening can relate it. Was
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just like I remember going to these appointments week after weeks, like I was
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in the DC area to like the top concussion specialist, and they'd like,
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do a test. I mean, they'd be like, oh, you're still
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having looks like you're still affected. Come back next week. And I'm like,
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no, shit, did I just drive all the way out here?
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You show me that? Er? Thanks for the news. Don't we just
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love our doctors, you know? God? Any treat Like I would ask
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them, like any treatments, anything I could do, and they would look
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at me like I was crazy, But no, just come back next week
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for more testing. I'm like, why do you keep testing? Like I
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can tell you I'm still affected? Yeah, And I totally identify with the
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postconcussom thing because I have had six concussions. My sixth one was a couple
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of months back. I took a really nasty spill because I didn't have my
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wheelchair on the side of the bed, and everybody that's listened AND's heard that
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story, but nonetheless, I end up with two black eyes and a broken
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kind of sort of nose and I was all dead, just look horrible.
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And the postconcussion thing is super scary because you, at least from my experience,
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I lose my memory. I don't know where I am. My vision
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is jacked. I cannot read up close right now at all, and it's
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getting worse by the day. It feels like I've got like bees in my
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brain. I know that sounds like the strangest thing possible, but I have
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this like buzzing sound that is constantly here in my noodle and my focus and
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brain fog and so on and so on and so forth. It absolutely disrupts
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your ability to be who you are, yes like one, and that is
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where then the for me, the fear really came in. And before that
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had happened, I had been on this huge journey already of like kind of
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an internal like self developments, you know, I kind of got on that
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whole bandwagon because I talk about that one. I also have ADHD, like
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I was die, know so the third grade, and so that was something
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that I was like, I have to fix this ADHD. It's something that
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is wrong with like I identified like through my college years of like this is
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bad, this is wrong, which we can talk about how problematic that viewpoint
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was. And so I had finally gotten to the point, you know,
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through different nutrition things I was doing, different healing things that I was doing
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where I kind of actually started to feel like my brain was operating where I
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wanted it too. And then it was like literally gotten my car accident and
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it just felt like I backslid and then made everything not even back, you
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know, just went down the freaking pan. And so it not only brought
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up just the fear, like the physical loss of what I was able to
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do, but the emotional like trauma and impact and the implications of it were
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for me, like I mean, absolutely massive. So I just kind of
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got obsessive on this journey of like how there's got to be a better way,
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Like I refused to accept this, like we'll just keep back from trusting
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this is the way you're stuck. Give me a break, and yeah,
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so they'll piss. So I had already kind of been on this like more
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holistic journey through nutrition and things like that, but it's like that just did
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not There is there's helpful pieces to it, but you know I was I
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was approaching it all wrong. I was approaching approaching it through this very perfectionistic
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lens, my you know, self criticism. Everything was about I am damaged,
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I am wrong, I am broken. I must be fixed right to
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be worth anything. And then I got really into like the mindfulness meditation world
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because I had already been like very aware of that and learning about it for
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chronic pain because there's so much research on it, and I was working with
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chronic pain this whole time. By the way, right, you are a
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doctor of physical therapy working on chronic pain and while struggling in your own self.
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Right, But that's important for people do even like when we're feeling bad
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about ourselves. Like you're literally in the world of helping people in chronic pain,
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and you were unable to like pull yourself out of it all there was
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because there was such a disconnect, Like it's like here I was getting this
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information, and so to make a long story, I'm going to kind of
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just dive into the chronic pain world. It's like, right, So the
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information I was getting as a physical therapist was really this amazing you know,
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evidence based neuroscience backed on why does pain exist in the first place, Like
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why does chronic pain happen? Which is you touched on at the beginning,
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right, It is this increase of sensitization of our nervous system. And so
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you know, they talk about here's all the things you can do to decrease
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the sensitization, and a lot of them are mindfulness based, meditation based,
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these like body techniques, working on mindset, all those things, but they
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never really like dove into what happens if you try those things and your systems
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Like fuck, you know, yeah, which is what was happening from my
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system for my system, And also I recognize it in a bunch of the
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clients I was working in. It's just like it was like, I know
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this is where it needs to go, but it feels like we're missing it,
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like there's a gap that needs to be bridged here. So then through
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my own just more I would say, more emotional suffering than I was happening,
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like having I found a much more semantic based world of trauma informed somatic
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approach, and all of a sudden, I was like, Oh, this
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is the missing piece. This is the piece that shows me how to work
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with my nervous system, how to be with it through all the uncomfortable things
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that were coming up. And what I noticed though, is in the somatic
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world, no one was seeing how it linked to chronic So I was like,
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look, these two worlds, like it's like one ends and one begins,
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and I'm like they fit beautifully together. So I just kind of was
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not a round tag in the square. Oh yeah, yeah, it's like
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I come by because it's like semantic work without when you have chronic pain.
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I mean, it can be helpful, Like I'm sure there's people who have
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heeled just by doing that, but I have worked with many who have who
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have been semantic healers who have you know, they're all they're all about that
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world, but when they don't under seeing the pain neuroscience, they're missing a
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piece. And the same thing with people who work with pain neuroscience and they
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don't understand the sematic piece, they're missing a piece. And so I've been
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able to bridge this gap between these worlds that both exist, and I've had
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tremendous success with myself and also with the clients that I've been working with with
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chronic pain. Can you for our listeners, just some people might not know
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what somatic is. Can you talk about that please? I would say somatic
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is literally just a reference to the body, Like I'm pretty sure if you
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look up the exact definition. It's just like a like relating to the body.
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So right, which is my point, Like, can we get yes,
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But that doesn't help me at all. But I say this to me
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to say, to make the point is that somatic work does not have a
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definition that is like universally accepted, which is a little frustrating. It just
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is what it is. Yeah, I'm super frustrated now, thank you.
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Yeah, right, because I have met many people who have done somatic work.
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I mean, you see the same thing with a lot of like physics.
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I've met people who do physical therapy and they're like, yeah, I
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did all the electrical stimulation and ice packs. I'm like, oh my god,
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that's not physical therapy, but like in their head they've done it,
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you know. So it's just so semantic work. It is really working on
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an embodied level, working with what your nervous system is holding that what your
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thoughts and your brain, and yet you can access on a cognitive conscious level.
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Yeah. Well so I so I googled it because I wanted to see
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if you're right somatic guys relating to the body. Yes, don't you it's
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some places incredibly made. Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck is this
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relating to the body, especially as distinct from the mind, and I want
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to add something that to complicate the shit out of it, too excellent.
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We love that here is that it says of relate like really to the body,
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right, But going and getting a massage that is on your body is
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not sematic work, right, Like it's so it's nuts. So it's like
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it's it's body work, but it's not body work. And this is where
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I hate, I like really need to I mean, it's truly is something
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that I want to come up with the name of what I do because I
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feel like when I call it somatic work, it doesn't give what I do
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justice. Because here's a thing is sematic work is only of relating to relating
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to the body. But if we're only looking at the body, then we're
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neglecting the fact that we have a mind. And if we're only looking at
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the mind, we're neglecting the fact that we have a body. We need
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to look at how they work together. And then there's a third element of
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like what you you have your physical body, but then you have your like
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soul body or whatever, your innate intelligence, your body wisdom, that what
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your nervous system holds. Yeah, those all need to work together. So
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often people tend to have like a bias in one area. So maybe maybe
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they find themselves doing a lot of physical work. Like I've gone to physical
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therapists and chiropractors and massage, and you know, it's like I've done all
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this like very like physical stuff, maybe a lot of exercise or things like
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that. So they've done a lot of physical body work, but they might
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be lacking, you know, looking at what are their thoughts those aren't really
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important, and then what is the nervous system actually holding, yes, and
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then the other the thing that I see a lot of people have done a
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lot of thought work, lots of mindset work, which is so important,
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but they're not looking at how their nervous system is receiving that, how different
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parts might be reacting to that. And this part is crucial. So this
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is where I was tripping up, and a lot of my clients tend to
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trip up just maybe based on the way I talk. You know, you
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attract people like yourself, right, so yeah, getting money, But it's
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like I've worked with people from all realms, but it's like this is probably
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the most common one that I see is they're really deep in the mindset work
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and they're like, I'm trying to think positive, I'm trying to think better,
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I'm trying to accept who I am and like love myself all really wonderful,
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beautiful things. But there are parts of their nervous system that are not
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on board with it, or that have a resistance to it or have a
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fear of that, and it's held on. It's this deep subconscious level.
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It doesn't matter how logically we want to believe those thoughts. If there are
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parts of our nervous system that don't believe them, we're going to have a
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disconnect. There's going to remain a tension in our body, and that is
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going to actually sometimes even that tension itself. Like the more people dive into
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mindset work, the more can actually amplify pain because you're actually like engaging in
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that like tension in your body. You're like actually flaring it up in a
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way. Wow, that's that's super interesting because I am like little miss discipline
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when it comes like my morning routine, you know, like I it takes
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me about two hours to get out of bed, which is a total bummer.
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Like all of you that can like bounce out of bed and just feel
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great, you know, praise yourself and love your body that you can.
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Okay, let's start there. Then for me, I'm like it takes me
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forever. So my alarm goes off and I lay there, and then I
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get my phone and I'm like looking on Instagram for all the stupid reels that
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all my girlfriends and I share back and forth all night long. This is
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what we do to communicate with each other. And then I finally can like
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wiggle my toes and I can finally get out of bed, and then I
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do that, and then I get into my mindset routine and I get into
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my sauna and I've got a book that I read, or I've got a
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music that I listen to, or whatever it is that I do to kind
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of get my brain prepared for the fact that I've got to live in pain
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all fucking day. And so now I've got to have a conversation with myself
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that is like you've got this girl, you know, like I'm a cheerleader
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every fucking morning of my life for myself, but I'm not doing it in
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all of the right places. And I think that that's a challenge that I
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know that I'm being faced with because I'm like a cheerleader in so many wonderful
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spots and I'm a complete sucky asshole to myself and other places, and so
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I need that, like you had said that that disconnect between the body and
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my mindset all that I'm talking like crazy about all of this pain in my
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brain in the morning, and I'm almost like setting myself up for more pain
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during the day, like because I'm thinking about it and because I'm trying to
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process. It's so confusing for people like myself that are really trying hard to
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implement positive, happy, good things in our world, and some of them
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are actually to our detriment, which is so frustrating. Yes, yes,
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and this is exactly what I ran into too. So I just want to
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send so much love like so many of the people, I mean pretty much
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all of the women I see are doing all the right things on paper,
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or they're doing exactly what they've been told are the right things to do,
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and they are trying harder, harder and harder, and often don't need to
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try harder. Actually about finding where can you actually let go some like what
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if you didn't have to try so hard? And that part of you that
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you know is the cheerleader, doesn't She's obviously incredibly beneficial and amazing and powerful
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and sounds like a great freaking leader, right, But there's a difference between
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But one, she doesn't need to be on board all the time. Like,
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no cheerleader is that peppy? Always put your pom poms down? Yeah,
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right, Like like you can't no cheerly. I mean there's those people
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who I mean, you're obviously like, you know, you are a very
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spunky person, but it's like you gotta have your moments too. But imagine
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if you're a cheerleader and there's a team that's tired. They're like, you
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know, they're down, but they all together or have the same goal in
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mind. They all really care about winning. You know this game that they're
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playing, right A basketball players, I don't know, right to cheer them
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on is great, right because you can get them riled up. They're all
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they're all on board, they want to be motivated. But imagine how if
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you had a cheerleader who's trying to cheer people who are like, I don't
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fucking care about basketball, I'm terrified of playing. I don't want to be
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on this court that one player probably wants to punch the damn cheerleader in the
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face. And so it's like, where are those parts of us that sometimes
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need to be get to have their expression where they're like, I'm not actually
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on board with this. I don't want to be cheered on. I'm actually
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scared of being like showing up like this or having to get through this day
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or do this thing. And that's where we work. And then a lot
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of times there are younger parts of us that are holding onto trauma. So
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what do we do with you? How do you help us? Because I
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vote I almost just barthed a little bit because that just ring very very true
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for me. It's almost a little sad to hear that. Ah yeah,
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yes, And it often is that just somehow I'm feeling about it because it
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is. It is sad. It's sad because a lot of the things that
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we are told and things that we're taught, and things that we're supposed to
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do, and all of these things that we're used to. You just kind
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of like turned it upside down on us a little bit here, which is
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okay, because I think that that's what we need to be doing. Is
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I'm sick and tired. Well, everybody that knows me knows that I've never
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been a big like norm person, like in follow rules rules, that's silly,
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you know, whatever, I break rules, I push boundaries. I've
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always been that way. So I don't know anything but thought. So when
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it comes to actually not doing that and being really safe and being kind of
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shy too, like that is not a nate to me, and it's not
24:47
a nate to a lot of people. So what can we do to help
24:52
ourselves? Because I feel like a lot of what we're talking about is that
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we keep trying all of these things and we're not getting results, and then
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we get frustrated, and then we spend more money doing the same shit over
25:04
and over again. Especially in the chronic pain community, which you understand,
25:10
we spend we throw so much money at our bodies, whatever it is,
25:12
whether it's a supplement or this doctor or that therapist or that healer or this
25:18
or that, I mean, whatever it is. We fall for all of
25:22
it, and we're being marketed to very very heavily. Chronic pain I think
25:29
as a whole as a topic is literally where we're being targeted instead of helps.
25:37
So what do you do. What do you do for people? All
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right? Can you solve this world problem? Solved by doctor Andrew Moore,
25:45
No pressure. Yes. So chronic pain in itself is going to dissociate us
25:51
from our body. It takes us out of our bodies because often our bodies
25:56
are not a place where we want to be in. So often people with
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chronic pain can relate and that it's like I don't even know, Like you
26:03
feel your pain obviously, and I feel like this is the biggest Like it's
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like feel so confusing at times. It's like, clearly you're very aware of
26:08
your body and the parts that hurt, but when you try to like really
26:11
feel into your body, often it feels like you're like a floating head.
26:14
You're like living in your thoughts. And then it's like you feel your pain,
26:18
right, yeah, okay, so it's like you're not fully embodied in
26:22
your body. Often if you try to have awareness of like other parts of
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you that don't hurt, or you know, things like that, or even
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just awareness of the tip of your nose your ears are like your arm pit,
26:32
like somewhere that doesn't hurt, that feels more neutral. I don't know,
26:36
but so often right, So we're disconnected from our bodies, which means
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we're disconnected from the wisdom our body holds for us. And there can be
26:45
layers to this type of work and so, but so what the ultimate goal
26:51
is to be able to be at a point where you can hear the wisdom
26:53
that your true authentic self is sharing with you and that you can act on
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it in alignment, in an aligned way. And so it's almost like any
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so let's say, let's take the advertisements right being targeted. Ideally, someone
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can take an advertisement that is being directed at them, run it through their
27:12
authentic wisdom, be like is this right for me? And then you'd be
27:15
like, no, it's not right for me. Every bag Actually, wow,
27:18
this one is really speaking deeply to my gut, like this feels different
27:22
right, And that is so important because ultimately, the stronger connection we have
27:30
with our body, the stronger we can access that wisdom and run everything through
27:33
this gut check. And sometimes our bodies just might have direct messages for us.
27:37
But sometimes you know, it might be an external person help and guide
27:41
us through something, but it's you've run You've you've vetted them through your own
27:45
wisdom, so that all sounds great. But the problem is is for people
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with chronic pain, accessing that wisdom is really freaking hard a lot of times.
27:52
Yeah, And so that's where the where a lot of my work comes
27:56
in is looking at what are the barriers to accessing that wisdom? And often
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for especially for people who have tried everything, the one of the barriers is
28:08
that accessing that wisdom is actually interpreted as a threat by the brain. The
28:15
brain doesn't trust, like doesn't want to connect. Weird, Yes, but
28:22
that's like fear based right there, Like the fact that my brain is not
28:26
connecting correctly. Yeah, exactly great, And so for somehow, like my
28:32
kind of one one of my favorite examples is, you know, I know
28:34
we've kind of touched on like an ancestral trauma. I think another time we
28:38
were talking, right, It's like, historically it has not been safe for
28:44
women to have money, to run a business, to be independent, to
28:48
speak their mind. So pretty much all of us are to some degree are
28:52
carrying some ancestral trauma and information that has passed down It has been shown to
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be passed down through the DNA that says showing up is your authentic self is
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not okay, That is unsafe because if you do that, you could be
29:07
killed. So yeah, to access your own wisdom, then your brain's like,
29:14
don't do it, You're good, Especially if you're someone who's a disruptor
29:18
of status quo, who's a rule breaker, who's like I don't stand for
29:22
societal norms. Your brain is like, dude, not okay, You're gonna
29:27
die if you do those things. And your brain just wants you alive.
29:30
That is literally the only thing it cares about. It does not get a
29:33
shit about thriving or are you feeling happy or are you pursuing your passions.
29:38
It's so interesting because I know that we talked about the ancestral part of things
29:42
and patriarchy and all of that stuff. And for women, I'm just I'm
29:48
kind of befuddled as to how it is possible that we are not the supreme
29:52
being on the planet. It's by design for us to be enabled about yeah,
30:00
like sis, and like I want to say, I am married to
30:03
a man, like I love men. There are so many good men in
30:07
this world, right, like's not I thank you, yes, like baby,
30:14
give it to me exactly. You're not advocating for a dick free world,
30:18
No, I employe crazy. I love men. I think you're wonderful.
30:22
You are absolutely incredible. However, we are all smarter than you combined.
30:26
Yes, this is what we're talking about, like the patriarchal structure.
30:32
Men also suffer from. Sure, well you're saying, yes, I think
30:37
it's I have met so many men, and I tend to speak to women,
30:41
but it's like I have met a bunch of men too along my jourine
30:42
and say they suffer from this just as much. So it effects it is
30:47
the very very few, you know that that benefit very very few. So
30:52
it is by design that we are disconnected from our bodies. Like I could
30:56
be a whole episode of like let's look at everything that sets us up.
30:59
And this has been going on for so many generations that like it's so hard
31:03
to even see it right from like with our parents, and most of them
31:07
so unintentionally, like none of this is it's it's on purpose, it's just
31:11
what was trained to them. It's like every time it's like, no,
31:14
finish your plate, they're starving kids in Africa, or like all right,
31:17
are you sure you want to eat that? Or if you got hurt,
31:19
it's like you're okay, you're okay, get up or you know what I
31:23
mean. It's like all these things. My dad like I be on the
31:26
on the slopes because I was mousive skier and my dad I would fallow.
31:30
My Dad's like get up, like yeah, scream, get up, get
31:34
up, get up, get up. And you know, it's it's a
31:37
really interesting thing because and I know a lot of this, at least from
31:41
my perspective, is a lot of us kids that have been raised in the
31:45
eighties. Everything was always brushed under the rug. And that included trauma.
31:51
Yeah, so it didn't matter what was happening. You couldn't a couldn't talk
31:56
about it, absolutely not. Why would we do that, because that's terrible.
32:00
And we were doubted too, especially as girls, little girls, of
32:06
what happened to us or something that was happening within a family or something that
32:08
happened in a park or whatever the hell it is. We were doubted.
32:13
So we stopped sharing. So we stopped and we kept it all in.
32:16
And though I'm using a royal weed, but I'm actually really talking about myself
32:22
in that regard because I did all of that stuff. I was raised in
32:24
a very very religious home, so things that I wanted to talk about I
32:29
couldn't, not even a chance. I still can't do this day and I'm
32:34
going to be forty five and twenty seconds. And it's like, it's nuts
32:37
because that stuff sat there and it never was worked through, and it was
32:45
and now I'm doing it now, right now, I'm now starting to work
32:49
through it because I didn't know I needed to work through it. Of course,
32:52
not like especially if you were telling somebody about what was happening and it
32:58
was not listened to, that is even more damaging, right, because then
33:01
it's like that's when you start to question yourself, Like that's when you now
33:07
have and these are the things that disconnect us from ourselves. It's evidence of
33:12
it is not safe to share what's inside, something that is inside, or
33:15
what happened to me is wrong and so therefore it must be suppressed. But
33:20
also it teaches our brains again like, oh, this is bad, this
33:22
is wrong. We should fear this because we wasn't met with compassion and love
33:29
and listening and being heard, and so our brains, especially as kids,
33:32
just have to figure it out, what is the thing that keeps me alive
33:36
in this family? How do I keep functioning? So my parents keep feeding
33:39
me and loving me. Marborough Read's and whiskey. That's pretty much what happened
33:44
to me when I was fifteen. That's the route I took. Yeah,
33:47
that was the only way that I could get the attention that I wanted by
33:52
acting out, even though I was like, dude, all I'm trying to
33:54
do is like tell you that something shitty happened to me when I was thirteen,
33:58
Like that's it, Like let's talk about it. But I couldn't ever
34:00
do it. And when it comes to our physical body and taking care of
34:06
it from your perspective and what you work with with your with your clients,
34:10
can you just before we jam out, I want to make sure that we're
34:15
leaving our listeners with what you want to make sure it is like the most
34:19
most important thing that's ever come out of your mouth. Oh goshure, pressure,
34:22
pressure, no pressure at all. This is it, guys, This
34:25
is it. This is it, the most important thing she's ever said.
34:28
Are you ready? You love to hate me right now? I'm sorry?
34:34
Oh my gosh. Yeah, okay, so it is really why, Like
34:37
the overarching is is that your body has a message for you. Your pain
34:44
is holding a message, and often the instinct is to want to clamp it
34:50
down, get rid of it, fix it, make it go away.
34:53
But often it is when we can look at it, when we can be
34:58
with it, when we can sit with it and really hear it in the
35:02
language. And this is a skille. This is not something that is intuitive
35:07
because we haven't been allowed to explore this side of ourselves. And this is
35:10
the skill that I really really teach, is that when we can learn to
35:15
listen in the language that our body has for us, not only do we
35:20
get permission from ourselves and can build safety to be more our authentic selves and
35:24
live a life that feels great, but it also is what allows us to
35:30
work through traumas to right now, they're kind of stuck and stagnant in the
35:34
system, and like actively, it takes a lot of tension to like hold
35:37
it down. It takes a lot of guarding and a lot of like like
35:39
of our bodies resources to like hold it down and keep them at like at
35:44
bay. Yeah, And so when we can finally let them out, look
35:49
at them, see them and feel them, which is not easy. It
35:55
is hard work. It is not like quick type of work. It is
36:00
not like everything's going to feel like miracles and rainbows type of work. It
36:05
is like you are willing to feel the uncomfortable emotions, to develop a safety
36:09
to even sit with those, and to be with what your body has for
36:13
you. That is what allows it to release out or to be held in
36:16
a way in your body that is now safe, because it's not about getting
36:20
rid of your past or like erasing a story. It's just about holding it
36:22
in a way that feels like a true part of you and not a part
36:25
that's having to be suppressed and held down. I love that so very much
36:30
because and I've said it on the show before, but there is a there's
36:35
a gal that I talked to I don't even know when, months and months
36:38
and months ago, but I was talking about the fact that, you know,
36:40
my CRPS has firmly planted itself in my leg and shows us because you're
36:46
unable to move forward. And I was like, well, fuck you,
36:52
it's legit. Like there are things and unfortunately, I've got some places in
36:59
my body holding onto stuff, and I can literally tell, like, especially
37:05
with a hyper nervous system like I have right with CRPS, something happens in
37:09
my world a conversation on the phone, an email that I get like something
37:15
so benign, and I can feel a specific spot in my legs completely fire
37:22
up with that person and it's there, and I'm like, well, this
37:25
is gross. The fact that I've got this, like all of this like
37:30
energy trapped in my legs is what I feel. And it's one of the
37:35
reasons why I started this show was because I knew I was going to find
37:38
people like you who understand that because I'm sick and tired of going to doctors
37:45
that all they want to do is just put me on Gaba Penton. I'm
37:49
like, if you put if you even say the word Gabapenten in this room,
37:53
you're dead. It was nice knowing you knock it off because we're we're
38:00
in this duck state. Nobody talks about trauma informed approach to care, and
38:04
I use that phrase all of the time on this show because it is if
38:08
we're not talking about the stuff, then we're not We're not going to be
38:13
able to be out of pain period. I don't care if it's mental pain
38:16
or physical pain. You know. Yeah, I am so happy that you
38:22
spent time with me today. How can we find you the best place to
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as you have experienced with me today. Thank you so much for your time
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39:10
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