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Ed Sheeran: You Never Know Where Life Will Take You · Motivation Mindset Podcast

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  Speaker 1: If you fit in, you're just boring. You know, you're
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  Speaker 1: you're just one of many people. Don't let anyone dim
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  Speaker 1: your light, like you should always shine as as as
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  Speaker 1: bright as that. But it's about instilling confidence in people.
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  Speaker 1: And I think me having success, I can say to her, look,
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  Speaker 1: I was really weird and I've managed to have success.
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  Speaker 1: So if you just carry on doing you, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: going to have the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like, why fit in when you're born to
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  Speaker 2: stand up? Like That's why I feel like all of
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  Speaker 2: us have our.
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  Speaker 3: Very own unique DNA that can't be duplicated.
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  Speaker 1: There's no one in the world that can do what
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  Speaker 1: you do. Absolutely, but there is someone in the world
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  Speaker 1: that's going to try and they're going to fail because
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  Speaker 1: they should be doing what they do best. Absolutely, being
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  Speaker 1: yourself is so powerful and I feel like a beautiful
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  Speaker 1: person without sounding weird about it. But because of it,
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  Speaker 1: I have now confidence in myself because because of being myself,
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  Speaker 1: all of these great things have happened. So now I
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  Speaker 1: can I can walk into an award show addressed however
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  Speaker 1: I want and be super confident about it because it's
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  Speaker 1: like I've done what I could say out to achieve
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  Speaker 1: without compromising. Do you have to be persistent? You have
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  Speaker 1: to be on people to make it, to make it happen,
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  Speaker 1: You've got to look at your peers and the people
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  Speaker 1: you look up to, and you know, I have a
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  Speaker 1: great respect of people that can do things that I
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  Speaker 1: can't do well.
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  Speaker 2: I was shocked to find out that you get no
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  Speaker 2: help with you're writing, Like you write everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yourself lyrically, Yes, but I think I need a lot
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  Speaker 1: of help with production and making songs, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: there'll be songs like the A Team and Perfect and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that that I'll just go in and I'd
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  Speaker 1: do it one hundred percent myself. Whereas there'll be a
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  Speaker 1: song like Gorway Girl, which is quite a collaborative thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'll go in with a folk band and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: all write it together with the folk band. But I
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  Speaker 1: would write the lyrics for that and then it would
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  Speaker 1: be shaped in it.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, did you look You look at other artists different
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  Speaker 2: when you find out they don't write their stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Only if they have nothing to do with it. I
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  Speaker 1: just find I just kind of need to write songs
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  Speaker 1: to make me feel better about myself. You get out
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  Speaker 1: all your demons in music and then it kind of
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  Speaker 1: clears out your head.
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  Speaker 3: It's like therapy.
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  Speaker 1: It's exactly therapy.
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  Speaker 2: I saw Elton John car you wanted like one of
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  Speaker 2: the best songwriter of this generation.
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  Speaker 1: That's very kind of.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I like writing songs, but I feel like I'm improving
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  Speaker 1: day by day by going in the studio people like
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  Speaker 1: Chris Dapleton and Bruno Mars. You're just expanding your palette
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  Speaker 1: and learning new things.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're wrong by just living life order you get.
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  Speaker 3: The more experiences you get.
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  Speaker 1: You can't become better unless you around people that can
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  Speaker 1: teach you things. If I just worked in the studio,
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  Speaker 1: things would start sounding a bit stale after a while.
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  Speaker 1: Which is what's so great about doing this collaborations project
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  Speaker 1: is I've worked with so many different people and seen
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  Speaker 1: how like Bruno's process versus Travis Scott's process versus like
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  Speaker 1: Chances process, we'll get we'll get onto it. But he
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  Speaker 1: literally puts a make up and he just has the
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  Speaker 1: verse repeating and he's just there in the studio and
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  Speaker 1: its kind of starts off as a mumble and then
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  Speaker 1: like word go in every now and then, and then
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  Speaker 1: like the first sentence is done, but the rest of
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  Speaker 1: mumble and he'll just do it over and over and
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  Speaker 1: over again, and then the verse is done.
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  Speaker 3: You and Cardi got similar energies too.
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  Speaker 2: It because Cardi is authentically herself and you're authentically yourself.
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  Speaker 3: You think that's why you gravity toward them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I love how unfiltered she is.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's literally she's me so media trained, not
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  Speaker 1: to be media trained, you know, Like her whole shtick
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  Speaker 1: is she goes on and says whatever she wants and
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  Speaker 1: that is what works for her, Whereas I never had
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  Speaker 1: a media training either, And I feel like I get
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  Speaker 1: to just say what I want. And she's successful because
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  Speaker 1: she is who she is. She's there's no one else
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  Speaker 1: that can be Cardi B. And there's going to be
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  Speaker 1: countless people now that try to be Yeah, she had
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  Speaker 1: had her success.
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  Speaker 3: And it's gonna be fake. Yeah. I was trying to
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  Speaker 3: be fake real and you're trying to be fake authentic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not trying to be fake Cardi.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had two songs I always wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: with Eminem. I was like, if I ever get to
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  Speaker 1: work with Eminem, that's two songs I want to do,
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  Speaker 1: and it's one's like an introspective storytelling and one is
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  Speaker 1: something that kind of is more of a nod towards
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  Speaker 1: some of the cheek here songs on the Marshall Mathers
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  Speaker 1: LP or like the Eminem Show. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: when I when I when I work, when I work
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  Speaker 1: with him, because in my mind, I was like, it's
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  Speaker 1: always going to happen. I've just got to wait. I'll
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  Speaker 1: do those two songs. And one led to the other.
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  Speaker 1: So I did the River Song with him for the
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  Speaker 1: Revival record, and then through that got got to know him.
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  Speaker 1: And then I was able to sit down with him
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  Speaker 1: in Detroit and approach him with this song and it
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  Speaker 1: didn't feel weird. And now now I feel like I've
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  Speaker 1: ticked my two boxes.
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  Speaker 3: It feels yeah, it feels good.
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  Speaker 2: Don't touch me. What's their record about? It sounds self explainatory, but.
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  Speaker 1: Probably what we were talking about earlier, having the anxiety
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  Speaker 1: of being in a club.
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  Speaker 3: How often do you get in the more where you
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  Speaker 3: don't want to be bad every day? Every day?
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  Speaker 1: I live here, every single day, I live here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you go out, you know that's yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, when I like, I just have to be in
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  Speaker 1: the frame of mind like when I go to an
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  Speaker 1: awards show, I'm like, right today, like it's just happening,
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm not I'm not going to get anxiety because
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  Speaker 1: this just has to happen today. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it just creeps up on you and then it's just there.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't really I don't really go out to
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  Speaker 1: clubs anyway. I used to win. You know, Cherry used
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  Speaker 1: to live in New York, so I used to live
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  Speaker 1: there in her apartment, and we used to go out
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  Speaker 1: like most most nights. But it was different then as well.
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  Speaker 1: Shape of You brought me to a different level of fame,
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  Speaker 1: like I thought. I thought I was like at my peak,
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  Speaker 1: and then suddenly it was like a completely different world.
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  Speaker 1: It's the world of your beyonces and your jay Z's
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  Speaker 1: and your Adele's and it's just suddenly there's so much interest.
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  Speaker 3: You know, how hard did it to protect your energy?
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about you, your your mental well being, your
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  Speaker 2: your mental speece.
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  Speaker 1: I find I've been working on it for the past
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  Speaker 1: eight years, and whether it be getting rid of a
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  Speaker 1: phone and only answering emails like you know, twice a day,
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  Speaker 1: or whether it's like cutting down my friendship group to
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  Speaker 1: the bear bear bear minimum just so.
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  Speaker 3: I trust everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Although whether it's living in the countryside in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of nowhere and kind of closed off a bit from reality.
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  Speaker 1: I think all of these little things are in place
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  Speaker 1: to protect this. I think my mind and it's all working.
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  Speaker 2: I think, were you ever a social person, because it
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  Speaker 2: seems like you're social, but you only get anti social
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  Speaker 2: industry functions.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I used to be super social industry function My
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  Speaker 1: hobby was to go out to things and meet people
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  Speaker 1: that I admired and then go out and drink with
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  Speaker 1: them and end up but that's not my favorite thing
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  Speaker 1: to do, so you know, I kind of like ended
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  Speaker 1: up meeting all my musical heroes and going out to
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  Speaker 1: bars with them and having fun with them. And then
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  Speaker 1: it's just now when I go to these events, it's
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  Speaker 1: I just have social anxiety. I just can't hate large
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  Speaker 1: groups of people, which is ironic because I played shows
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  Speaker 1: for a living, but I just don't. I feel claustrophobic
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  Speaker 1: and I don't like being around too many people.
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  Speaker 2: You think people it's because you are and sharing and
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  Speaker 2: people demand too much of you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it isn't even that I don't even mind
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  Speaker 1: talking to people. I have no problem with having a
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  Speaker 1: conversation with people. It's just when people like film me
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  Speaker 1: and just kind of stare at me, it's just makes
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  Speaker 1: me feel weird because it makes me feel like I'm
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  Speaker 1: not human. You coming up and having a conversation with
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  Speaker 1: me makes me feel human, even if we've never met,
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  Speaker 1: even if you just come up. And the thing that
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  Speaker 1: instantly shuts me off is having a moment like that
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  Speaker 1: with someone that's so human and so nice and at
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  Speaker 1: the end being like, oh, look, I can I have
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  Speaker 1: a picture, and it's like he kind of then puts
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  Speaker 1: you back down to earth and now you then you're
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  Speaker 1: just you're just that. You're literally just fifteen lights on
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  Speaker 1: Instagram and you're that's that's where you are as a
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  Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson show. And this guy just came up to
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  Speaker 1: me and he literally just shook my hand and went,
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  Speaker 1: I like your music, man, and then just and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, wow, that was like such a short thing
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  Speaker 1: and such a simple thing, but that meant so much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So I think I get kind of anxiety because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if I was eating in a restaurant now it's I
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  Speaker 1: would prefer to have a private room because if I'm
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  Speaker 1: eating in the room with everyone, I get people filming
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  Speaker 1: me eat my food while I'm with my wife. It's
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  Speaker 1: just I just find it.
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  Speaker 3: Bit.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bit you feel, you feel like a zoo animal,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't mean to be like complaining
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  Speaker 1: because I have a very very cool job and life.
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  Speaker 1: But if I can avoid it, I will.
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  Speaker 2: If you could have the success without the fame, you
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  Speaker 2: would would you take that?
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  Speaker 1: I think my success has happened because I'm so recognized.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It's like I make good well I think
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  Speaker 1: I'll make good music, but I make people music that
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  Speaker 1: people like. But you can you can remember who I am.
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  Speaker 3: Then it's my own fault as well.
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  Speaker 1: Look at all these tattoos I've got, and then I
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  Speaker 1: start wearing glasses again, and then that's just another thing
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  Speaker 1: to make me more are recognizable. So I definitely don't
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  Speaker 1: help myself in that. There's some something has to give,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, I'm starting a life with Cherry and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not twenty anymore. I can't go on the road
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  Speaker 1: for three years and not come home.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have guilt because you're not around.
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  Speaker 1: No, because I think I think that's I think that's
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  Speaker 1: unhealthy because I'm only not around because I'm living my
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  Speaker 1: dream trying to achieve, And I think it's unhealthy to
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  Speaker 1: feel guilty about wanting success. But I definitely I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm missing out.
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's not as much guilt and that, but
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  Speaker 1: I definitely feel like I'm missing out on a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things. You know, but it wasn't just with when
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  Speaker 1: I was with Cherry. It was like I missed like
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  Speaker 1: every single one of my friend's birthday parties or events
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  Speaker 1: or New Years or stuffing stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: At what point did you realize it wasn't about money,
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  Speaker 2: it was about you know, your time.
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  Speaker 3: At what point did you realize.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds a bit ridiculous, But when you discover something
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  Speaker 1: like a private jet and you're like, I can buy
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  Speaker 1: another day with Cherry, I could I can wait till
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow and fly home at five pm. Or I can
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  Speaker 1: book a jet now and I can fly home and
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  Speaker 1: I can gain an entire day. When when I was like,
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  Speaker 1: money isn't the object, but time it's you know, I'd
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  Speaker 1: rather I'd rather spend more time with you than save
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  Speaker 1: more money. Basically, I will always turn down every single
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  Speaker 1: offer for like New Year's Eve gigs, just because like
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather spend it with my family and friends. And
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  Speaker 1: it happened very early on in my career because I
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  Speaker 1: never wanted for much and I've I achieved a level
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  Speaker 1: of success financially very early on that I was happy with.
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  Speaker 1: So ever since then, I can I now can't be
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  Speaker 1: bought because I don't need it like it. But but
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  Speaker 1: that isn't because I've now doing a stadium, so that
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  Speaker 1: was like back then doing theaters, I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't if I can earn a play and the
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  Speaker 1: songs I want to play, why would I need to
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  Speaker 1: be able to be bought.
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  Speaker 3: Basically m