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The Santa Clause 2 with Grace Freud · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have
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  Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and
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  Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in
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  Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Bell Cast. Caitlin, Yes, Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: do you know how we have a podcast? Yeah? And
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  Speaker 1: if we don't release an episode every single week, will die. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: well there's another rule. There's another rule. What what is
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  Speaker 1: the new rule? We have to have sex with each
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  Speaker 1: other by midnight or the podcast will explood. I mean fine, Look,
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  Speaker 1: I've got a magnifying glass. Do you want to You
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  Speaker 1: can read it? Okay? Oh wow, yeah, I see it.
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  Speaker 1: The fine print is right there. Will you marry me? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Or no? Yes? No pressure? But Christmas will die and
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  Speaker 1: children will hate each other if you don't do it. Okay, fine,
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  Speaker 1: So why don't you do it? Why don't you say yes?
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  Speaker 1: Imagine that like when Jesus went back up to heaven.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he had a lot of free time on
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  Speaker 1: his hands. So I'm listening. God was like, all right, well,
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  Speaker 1: Christmas is your deal, you know, like whatever you want
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  Speaker 1: to do with it, feel free, Like all of this
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  Speaker 1: mythology and ship and all these different holidays and ship
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  Speaker 1: and so that like in my mind, the Santa Claus
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  Speaker 1: tri the g is a biblical epic that its origin
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  Speaker 1: it was carved out by Jesus Christ himself so that
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  Speaker 1: he would have something to do up in heaven. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: who decides what the Santa Claus is much less the
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  Speaker 1: Santa Claus the other ones. These clauses were written by him.
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  Speaker 1: These clauses were capital by the lamb, by Jesus Christ himself.
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  Speaker 1: Does that also apply to the escape clause? Certainly yes,
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  Speaker 1: And because like Jesus, it's not really this is it's
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  Speaker 1: why Christmas is so secular. It's because Jesus whole life
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  Speaker 1: is being Jesus. So when he was when he approaches Christmas,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, I want to have some fun with it.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why you have the escape clause and the
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  Speaker 1: MRS clause, etcetera, ETCeteras. It's all right, we're starting to depressing,
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  Speaker 1: so it's the last one. This is Look, we're going
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  Speaker 1: out on top, which is I mean, what's the point
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  Speaker 1: of continuing after we're we run out of Santa Claus movies.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly, I was getting sad as I was preparing
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  Speaker 1: for this episode because I was like, damn, what are
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  Speaker 1: we going to do next December? We're out? I haven't.
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  Speaker 1: I do have an idea. I want to do all
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  Speaker 1: the Rank and Bath specials at once, Ranking Bass like
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  Speaker 1: claimation specials, an episode that's about all of them. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: like heat mis or snow Mies or Santa Claus is
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  Speaker 1: coming to town. There's a gnarly Ranking Bass special about
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  Speaker 1: the Easter Bunny that involves like, yeah, like royal intrigue
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  Speaker 1: and like the royal family is trying to kill the
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  Speaker 1: Easter Bunny. Is pretty wild. My favorite one is Jack Frost,
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  Speaker 1: which is Ranking Bass like truly strong rebuttal of the
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  Speaker 1: of communism, must put our put down. We need to
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  Speaker 1: make a claimation special about why the Soviet Union is
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  Speaker 1: a threat. I mean, okay, maybe we can't cover them
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  Speaker 1: all in one, because there's that's that's adicious. And there's
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  Speaker 1: also the not very much seen Little Drummer Boy too,
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  Speaker 1: which is about market economies and barter. Really, yes, Chris,
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  Speaker 1: how do you know this are? You may be the
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  Speaker 1: only person who's ever watched these. It was I was
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  Speaker 1: alone a lot as a kid. That's if you have
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  Speaker 1: any question about me, usually the answer is I was
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  Speaker 1: alone a lot when I was a kid. Sorry, Grace
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  Speaker 1: and I were actually just catching up. We were supposed
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  Speaker 1: to get dinner before she left town and we were
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  Speaker 1: we both got busy, so we're just kind of catching
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  Speaker 1: up right now. So the Santa Claus too, Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: I let's go. Let's let's take it back a little
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  Speaker 1: bit and say that I nailed the introduction and I
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  Speaker 1: think that I brought Je killed the introduction, thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much. And I don't think I've been introduced yet
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  Speaker 1: even Okay, So let's do that and then we introduced
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  Speaker 1: the show, and then we'll do other stuff. Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: we're doing an episode on Santa Claus to. Our guest
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  Speaker 1: is comedian writer. You remember her from our episodes on
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  Speaker 1: The Santa Claus and The Santa Claus three, and now
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  Speaker 1: it's time for the Santa Claus to It's Grace Freud. Hello,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome back, Welcome back. It's great to be here. Now,
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  Speaker 1: can we just recap really quickly why we went one
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  Speaker 1: three too? I know the answer, but I just want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure our listeners in case we have listeners
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  Speaker 1: that have come in the past year. Grace has I
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  Speaker 1: would say if you haven't listened to the first two
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  Speaker 1: Santa Claus episodes, maybe stop this episode stopping back because
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  Speaker 1: we've we we covered it in a very particular order
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  Speaker 1: based on how much they interested us, and so we
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  Speaker 1: went one three too, and this is the last one
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  Speaker 1: available for now. I really hope that we get to see.
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  Speaker 1: Two hours ago, I literally texted up yeah, both my
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  Speaker 1: managers and also the most famous person who was a
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  Speaker 1: friend of mine, and was like, let's make a new
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  Speaker 1: the Santa Claus. What do you say? I really want
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  Speaker 1: to make a few of the Santa Claus. It seems
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  Speaker 1: like a safe bet, and I think we're going to
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  Speaker 1: make it happen. Let's see if Eric Lloyd is available,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is he that It seems like maybe he's retired,
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  Speaker 1: but would he come back to play uh thirty seven
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  Speaker 1: year old Charlie. Let's see, Let's just see. Let's hope.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, Okay, So the show that we're doing is
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  Speaker 1: called The Bechtel Cast and its movie podcast where we
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  Speaker 1: where we analyze movies through an intersectional feminist lens. We've
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  Speaker 1: been doing what we've been doing it. I don't I
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  Speaker 1: think we should just skip what the Bechtels Test is
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  Speaker 1: we're short on time here today. This doesn't pass it right.
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  Speaker 1: Let's they don't even need to know what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Watched through it twice and it does. So we're just
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  Speaker 1: going to kind of gloss over what the show is.
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  Speaker 1: Because here's what you're gonna do. You're gonna go back
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  Speaker 1: and listen to the other episodes and then you'll learn
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  Speaker 1: you'll find out it's you need to Mrs clauses to
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  Speaker 1: talk to each other about the only female elf who
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  Speaker 1: works at the North Pole for two lines of dialogue
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  Speaker 1: and they both have to be named Mrs Claws and
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't happen in this movie. And it's there. There
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  Speaker 1: is so many it's so like this one is like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: Scott is like there are so many daddy plotlines in
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  Speaker 1: this movie, and Scott's the daddy every single time, so
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  Speaker 1: many people's daddies. He really is, He's really gosh like
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  Speaker 1: he's even like Neil's daddy. When do you think about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this movie has such like interesting sequel energy where it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: all these like pretty well developed characters from the first movie,
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  Speaker 1: now it's eight years later and they're parodies of themselves
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  Speaker 1: and some of them are not the same person anymore.
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  Speaker 1: This movie has inside of it the perfect Christmas movie,
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  Speaker 1: but it really like, in a weird way, the Santa
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  Speaker 1: Claus sequels kind of try to like emssy you themselves,
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  Speaker 1: Like they like pull in all of these other like
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  Speaker 1: mythological figures. They're like, here's a bunch of cannon that
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  Speaker 1: we're going to spew at you, the whole council of
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  Speaker 1: legendary figures. Yeah, exactly. They lean into the small magical
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  Speaker 1: parts of the first movie, which which really were kind
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  Speaker 1: of just sprinkled on and made the film beautiful and magical,
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  Speaker 1: but then they leaned into it so hard that all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, the North Pole has the fucking like blackwater. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like their own military. They militarized the North Pole,
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  Speaker 1: and Santa Claus the news that he like self identifies
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  Speaker 1: as a despot multiple times. It was I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is the fascist Santa Clause. The Santa Clause, to
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  Speaker 1: you is maybe the most important work of art for
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  Speaker 1: understanding what nine eleven did to America. I honestly don't
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  Speaker 1: think you're very far off there at all, because you're
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  Speaker 1: just like, why did you what happened between and two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and two, because this came out okay, so so
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  Speaker 1: for the audience, this came out Christmas season two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and two. So I don't know. I mean, let's see
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  Speaker 1: when it was shot. Um, I'm not quite sure. Oh
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  Speaker 1: it was this. It was supposed to be. Okay, this
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  Speaker 1: is interesting. I don't have an inside look. I have
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  Speaker 1: two sentences on Wikipedia, but I'm going to run with this.
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  Speaker 1: It was supposed to come out on November one, two
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  Speaker 1: thousand one, was postponed until two thousand and two. Wonder
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  Speaker 1: what changed, if anything, in the movie between you know,
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  Speaker 1: when it was made pre nine eleven, in two one
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  Speaker 1: and two, when there's a despot that needs to be
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  Speaker 1: overthrown and there's a heavily militarized you know, Nutcracker army,
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  Speaker 1: and there's at the end of the day, all I
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  Speaker 1: care about is is David Krumholtz there? And am I
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  Speaker 1: still in love with him? And it's yes, and yes
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  Speaker 1: he's still there, but not quite enough. No, he's a prisoner,
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  Speaker 1: he's a pow in this one. They make David Krumholtz
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  Speaker 1: a p o W in the Santa Claus too. I
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  Speaker 1: would say, you know what, I'm gonna lay it on
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  Speaker 1: wine and say probably fifty percent of the movie change,
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  Speaker 1: I mean a big change. I noticed was speaking of
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  Speaker 1: David Krumholtz. His wig is no longer white guy with dreads.
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  Speaker 1: It's now just tight curls, yes, yes, tressing, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that's a big improvement. He still looks good. Someone
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  Speaker 1: talked like someone talked to the Alps had to get
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  Speaker 1: a sensitivity training. There's a there. I was talking to something.
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  Speaker 1: Did did you see that? Ashley Ray tweet about about
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  Speaker 1: how Bernard the Elf was like a formative sexual experience
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  Speaker 1: experience for like a large swath of yes. Yeah, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I really do think Bernard the Elf transcends gender, Like
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that that is a non binary character
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  Speaker 1: on screen, And I think just that in and of
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  Speaker 1: itself makes you ask questions of like, well, if it's
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  Speaker 1: not a binary, then what does it mean to like
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  Speaker 1: someone who isn't going to fit into that? And that's
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  Speaker 1: where Bernard comes in. I like that. Um okay, so
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  Speaker 1: real quick, Grace, what's your relationship with this particular movie
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  Speaker 1: and the franchise as a whole. I believe that this
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  Speaker 1: movie is the last movie I saw with my dad
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  Speaker 1: before he died. I said this before, but I think
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  Speaker 1: it was it was this one. This is yes, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: my dad died in two thousand three. Wait a second,
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  Speaker 1: wait when did this movie come out? So that does
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  Speaker 1: Christmas season two thous Oh you know, I don't know. No, No,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't it was. I saw this with his brother,
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  Speaker 1: my uncle Mark, and I think he was there. In
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  Speaker 1: my mind, he's there, But that doesn't quite add up
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  Speaker 1: timeline wise. Okay, I'm so sorry if I just messed
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  Speaker 1: with the mythology as fans absolutely perably added it up
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  Speaker 1: in my head before. I mean, my dad died so
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  Speaker 1: like really, not that you couldn't do something worse to me,
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  Speaker 1: but but at some point being this movie came out
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  Speaker 1: at a very tumultuous time of my life, and I
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  Speaker 1: do remember seeing it and thinking, oh, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: my dad just needs a wife. I guess we'll never
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  Speaker 1: know if, like my dad would still be alive today
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  Speaker 1: if he had simply gotten a wife by Christmas Day.
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  Speaker 1: It makes you think. It makes you think. So you
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  Speaker 1: have a very interesting relationship with this movie, is what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying. I mean, And yeah, and hopefully everyone has
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  Speaker 1: listened through the first five hours of information we have
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  Speaker 1: on this franchise on this podcast, Jamie, what about you?
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  Speaker 1: What's your relationship? Oh? I remember seeing this movie in theaters.
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  Speaker 1: I remember being like, wow, Charlie's bad now huh oh,
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  Speaker 1: Charlie's bad. Oh. He's putting a big old red circle
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  Speaker 1: with a line through it over Christmas tree. That robbed me.
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  Speaker 1: I was so shocked. I remember being him a theater
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  Speaker 1: and being like, Charlie, what, no, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: He's the cutiest cutie pot and he's so I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's like this movie did come about eight years later. So,
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  Speaker 1: but for a kid that was watching the Santa Claus
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  Speaker 1: every year, very jarring to see Charlie b preteen bad
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  Speaker 1: boy about to give a girl a kiss because she's
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  Speaker 1: like sometimes it feels good to be bad, and you're like, whoa, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So that is um. I mainly remember this. I mean also,
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  Speaker 1: I just remember there were so many movies in this
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  Speaker 1: specific era, like all the time, but in this era
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  Speaker 1: there were a lot of Disney movie these with this
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  Speaker 1: premise where it's like kind of like the Beautiful Perfect
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  Speaker 1: intro I did, where it's like, if Santa doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: married at midnight, we're going to cut his head off,
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  Speaker 1: and you're all fucked like this say this similar premise
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  Speaker 1: was in The Princess Diaries too, that came out I
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  Speaker 1: think a couple of years after this, where it's like,
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  Speaker 1: she's not going to be royal anymore unless she gets
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  Speaker 1: married tomorrow, so what's she gonna do? Huh? And then
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  Speaker 1: that's the whole movie. Um, And this is kind of
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  Speaker 1: a more militarized version of that story at the North Pole.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why these movies came out within two
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  Speaker 1: years of each other. I don't know why these steaks
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  Speaker 1: are so it's so weird because it's like these these
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  Speaker 1: are steaks that are associated with like times where women
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  Speaker 1: were considered property and not like middle school principles, but
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  Speaker 1: this movie overlooks that and they're like, well why not both?
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  Speaker 1: Why why not both? Yeah? Fuck, it's fucking weird, Like
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  Speaker 1: it's truly fucked up. I think it would be significantly
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  Speaker 1: less fucked up if the ending was slightly different. But
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  Speaker 1: the way that he presents, the way that he convinces, well,
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  Speaker 1: what we can get to that later, we can that
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  Speaker 1: proposal is oh my god, we wratch it. And it
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  Speaker 1: takes something that like, yeah, we can analyze it by
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  Speaker 1: like you need a woman, as if you need like
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  Speaker 1: like a house or something, and like as if like
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  Speaker 1: a piece of property. But before that, I think that
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  Speaker 1: like it's it does come off as in general like
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  Speaker 1: kind of sweet, Oh, this is a cool little rom com,
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  Speaker 1: and then that happens, and it's like, Jesus Christ, Santa,
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  Speaker 1: what did you do? It's very scary, Like at the
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  Speaker 1: very end, there has to be some way to navigate
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  Speaker 1: around this clock like get a lawyer, Santa. There has
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  Speaker 1: to be a way around this. You don't need to
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  Speaker 1: put the literal weight of the world like and I
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  Speaker 1: like how they I don't like, but like they try
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  Speaker 1: to frame it as a joke. They're like, ha ha,
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  Speaker 1: no pressure, but all the joy in the world will
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  Speaker 1: disappear unless you marry me, all right now, And she's like,
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  Speaker 1: well can I? And then the way the girl bought
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  Speaker 1: this character is honestly ahead of its time. What's your
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  Speaker 1: relationship to it? Sorry? Yes, yes, I had never seen
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  Speaker 1: this one. I grew up with the first Santa Claus
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  Speaker 1: movie and I watched it a ton as a kid,
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  Speaker 1: but by the time this one came out, I had
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  Speaker 1: aged out of this type of movie. So I didn't
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  Speaker 1: see the second or third Santa Claus movie until prepping
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: for last year's episode that we did on Santa Claus three.
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  Speaker 1: You never saw the marriage at gunpoint Santa No, I did, so.
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  Speaker 1: My My history with this installment in the franchise is
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  Speaker 1: quite brief. But let's talk about it. Um, let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about it. This is the hereditary of Santa Claus movies.
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  Speaker 1: I will say, I do like as horrifying as it is,
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  Speaker 1: I do feel like I got a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: nostalgia that I that I'm dubious about. But I was like, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of body horror in this film franchise.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, you don't. You don't get that kind
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  Speaker 1: of body horror in children's media today, although maybe I'm
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: just not watching enough and they are doing very scary things. Well,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Paddington certainly doesn't have any body horror. I'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: that right now. Um, let's take a quick break and
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  Speaker 1: then we will come back for the recap and back. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to try to get through this as quickly
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  Speaker 1: as possible. Good, here we go. Okay, So Santa Claus
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  Speaker 1: two opens with a plane flying over the North Pole
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  Speaker 1: and almost detecting Santa's workshop with their like radar or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So Santa Claus ak Tim Allen, all of this infinite
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  Speaker 1: magic cannot block an oil planes ar like beautiful magic
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  Speaker 1: cannot do the same as soundproofing, you know, like I
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  Speaker 1: guess they should have put some foam, just put a
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  Speaker 1: jacket over the North Pole and that probably when yeah,
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  Speaker 1: does not add up. But Santa Claus and Bernard and
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: several other of the ELF employees have to go to
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  Speaker 1: ELF Con one. And during this we meet Curtis. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's Spencer Breslin, ELF Cohn one. Like pump the brakes,
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  Speaker 1: there's an alf Cahn one. Because it's it's the winter
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  Speaker 1: of two thousand and two and everyone is in a
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  Speaker 1: very negative place on these issues, and let us let
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  Speaker 1: us recognize for a moment that alf Khan one is normal.
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  Speaker 1: That is what they are at in times of peace.
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  Speaker 1: Because at the end of this sequence, Santa goes, let's
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  Speaker 1: go back to alf Kahn one. They are always on
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  Speaker 1: a light. They are always prepared and in fear of
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  Speaker 1: the specter of a terrorist attack on the North Pole.
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  Speaker 1: And not only that, but Santa multiple times references military strategy,
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  Speaker 1: which suggests to me that Tim Allen Santa Claus is
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  Speaker 1: a well right military general. Now I'm okay, So now
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  Speaker 1: I I I recall that in the Santa Claus one
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  Speaker 1: there is a hint at militarized Elves. I believe that
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  Speaker 1: there's an ELF. It's like a CIA or FBI kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. So there's like not no precedent for this. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's as special forces. I think it comes off more
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  Speaker 1: as like as like a swat team almost, you know, yes, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: but it's fun. The difference there is it's goofy, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it plays more like power rangers and less like the
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  Speaker 1: US military. And the scale feels much smaller than ELF
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  Speaker 1: Khan one. Yeah, it's like it's like five elves. It's
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  Speaker 1: a small operation. Not not saying it's the best thing
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  Speaker 1: in the world, but ELF Cohn one is definitely an
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: escalation from militarized elves. But at the same time, this
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: is all an aesthetic thing because Sudden Santa is in
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: military garm with with a special military hat with metals
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and shouting out orders and they go all the they
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: eventually go up all the way to ELFCN for but nothing.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: They don't do anything. They do nothing but tell people
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: to be quiet. They don't launch missiles or anything. It's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a waste of taxpayers money. It really waste of taxpayers money.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: It's a waste of health tax fair money. What's also
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: wild about this is that this has nothing to do
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: with the rest of the plot of the movie. Yeah,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it's like Santa needs to get married. That's shitty, but
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: that's enough to do the movie. You don't need to
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: add a war. Like if anything, it's softens the b
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: plot of the film, which is this toy Santa that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: militarizes the North Pole. It's like, you see that happen,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and you're like, what do you mean? Like that already happened,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Like we already saw the real Santa bring it all
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the way up to of con four. In this scenario,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the real Santa is Barack Obama and the toy Santa
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: is um George W. Bush. Like Barack Obama still did
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of drone strikes, you know, but when he
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: came into office, people were like, all right, it's chill.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: The wars are going to be good now, you know. Right,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And then we go to and then that carries through
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to the Santa Claus three, which you can pause this
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: episode right now and go back, and Frost is Donald
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Trump exactly exactly. Wow. I'm also realizing that Spencer Breslyn
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: was also in The Princess Diaries to meaning that he's
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: really um kind of a popular choice for this exact premise.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: If this premise is happening on the big screen and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: there's a forced there's an arranged forced marriage happening on screen,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: you gotta get this kid around to get Spencer, And yeah, really,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: there wasn't an era, there was a Spencer Breslyn era.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: So Spencer bres plays Curtis, who is an elf, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: then we see Santa playing a game of football with
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the elves. Basically everyone is having fun, except there's one
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: little thing where Curtis and Bernard have something that they
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: need to tell Santa very soon. We'll put a pin
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: in that. Meanwhile, Santa's son Charlie, who is now a
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: teenager dar kind of a rebel. Don't you not love
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the I've hope it was written for the movie. Whatever
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the funk that song is When he's doing his little
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: graffiti where it's like I've been a knot, I don't
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: deserve a toy like it was like fat Boy Christmas.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: It was so funny. It's like they just they gave
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: someone's uncle five d bucks. You're like, go off, King,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: he's been a naughty boy. It's just you and your
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: guitar man. Just fuck and do what you need to do. Dude.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I love bad boy Charlie. He's such a good graffiti artist.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: He's so talented. Get this kid in art class. Direct
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: this energy. He's spray painting on a wall at school
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: to impress a girl and also like call out the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: principle for hating Christmas, pro Christmas and everything that happen.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Jarley's continually eats in trouble for spray painting pro Christmas
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: messages for half of school. It's very funny, and he
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: gets caught by the school principal, Principal Newman. So then
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: back at the North Pole, Santa finds out that not
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: only is his son Charlie on the naughty list for
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: getting in trouble at school, but also there's another Santa
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: clause with an E. There's an another legally binding clause
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that says miss Clause. Little Spencer Breslin really has to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: do a lot of heavy lifting exposition wise in this scene,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: because the line they give him is so funny. He's like,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I know there's a Santa Claus, but guess what, there's
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: another Santa Claus. And I'm sorry, and I should have
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: let you read it, but I didn't have a big
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: enough magnifying glass. Here I have five magnifying glasses and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: now you can read it. And that's the movie. And
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: like he has to say all of this in like
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: one breath, but he doesn't. And then after he's after
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Santa's looked at the closet, found out he needs to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: marry a woman. It's also specifies a woman, very very clearly.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: It does not say just Mary. It says you need
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: to pick a woman and then Mary are And that's
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: on Jesus Christ for writing that down, on Jesus Christ
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: for writing I would also know nowhere in that clause
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: isn't specified they have to love each other correct, which
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: is which me is almost not very Christmas Eve, Like
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: you know, like you would think that like true love.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: You know, it would be like an important power, like
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: a little engine of Christmas cheers. Wow, that didn't even
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: occur to me. But but that's not what it's about.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: What it's about is is the marriage. And then after that,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Spencer again is given the acting challenge of his life
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and he goes big, maybe too big, I don't know
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: if it quite works, and goes kudos to him, and
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: he goes like the decanification process has be gone. Yes,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: And it almost takes me out of the movie to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: tell you he goes that pig, but he really does
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: illustrate the steaks certainly so to provide the context here,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Santa has to find a woman and get married to her,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and if he doesn't do that by Christmas Eve, which
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: is only twenty days away, he will ceased to be Santa,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and as Curtis points out, the decantification process has begun,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: where he has started to look less and less like
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Santa and more and more like his former self, Scott Kelvin.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Immediately after this, there's a meeting of the Council of
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Legendary Figures. We've got Mother Earth, We've got Father Time,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the Easter Bunny, Cupid, Sandman, Tooth Fairy, No Jack Frost.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Jack Frost only pops up in the next movie. It's like,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: if I feel like I do feel like that the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Council is better utilized in the third movie and this one,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: they're kind of like, I'm thrilled to see them. I
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: love a good Aisia Tyler performance, but it's like they're
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: not doing much except with the exception of the tooth Fairy.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Whoever forgot became intimately involved this This scene seems to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: only happen because we need to establish that the tooth
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Fairy is a person because that's going to pay off later.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: So we didn't You didn't actually need that. You could
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: have just like it wouldn't have blown my mind if
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the tooth theory is showed up and I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. There's like three movies fighting to be
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the movie. One of the movies is a rom com.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: One of the movies is a grand mythological Christmas movie,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and then another one of the movies is essentially the
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Christmas version of Thin Redline. And if it had just
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: been the rom com, it could have been one of
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: the best Christmas rom coms. Ever. It still would have
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: been super dated, but it would have like made sense. Yeah,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: it could have been really fun and cool, you know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: like the concept of like they're needing to be a
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Mrs Claus, like I think they could have played it
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: in a way that didn't quite come off as property.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: You know, if if they had given themselves that, if
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: they had taken away from the fascism plot line and
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: maybe characterized and fleshed out the rom com plot line,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: maybe it would have been a little different and change
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the wording of Jesus Christ's clause to make it less menacing. Yes,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: exactly exactly if Jesus had if the diagetic Jesus of
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: this universe had been a little more thoughtful he wrote
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: these pauses, it would have been a better movie. Well,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what we're talking about, because
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: it took five whole men to write this movie, So
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know. There's I just think it's I mean,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I know that that's how these movies work, but it
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: just it is always funny to me to see how
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: many writers are credited on movies like this, and they're
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: just like really hard to understand, Like who I'm like, Okay,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: So which of these writers, Don Sinko, ken Ed and
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: John really wanted the fascism plot to happen, Which of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: them wanted the rom comp, which of them wanted bad
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: boy Charlie like I I want plot points attributed so
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I know who to avoid in the future. Gosh okay.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: So so now Scott ak Santa has to go back
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: down to Chicago or wherever his family lives to deal
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: with his son Charlie and to find a wife his wife,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: but he also has, you know, santa responsibilities at the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: North Pole. So this is when Curtis gets the idea
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to use this machine that they have which will make
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: a toy version of Santa who will run the North
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Pole while real Santa goes and does the stuff he
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: has to do. Right, So Santa takes comment and they
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: had to Chicago, where Scott link's up with his ex
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: wife Laura and her husband Neil, and they immediately fall
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: go said links up, and then after that go and
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: meet with Principal Newman to talk about Charlie getting into trouble.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: And Principal Newman and Scott have met before and they
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: hate each other because she is a public school educator,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: which means that she's evil. Yeah, this hates public schools. Yeah,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: like with it with a fiery hatred that only five
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: rich guys could have committed to the page. But the
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that it seems like all
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: of the qualities that we're annoying to Scott about Laura
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: in the first movie, she no longer has. In this movie,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: she her character has basically been like like sapped from
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: her body, and those qualities now exists. In the principle,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: all she does is say, you're a good dad, Scott.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: You're a good dad and a better better father, and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a good man and a good Santa. She can't stop
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: saying what a good father he is, even though he
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: is largely absent. Like it just like I just thought
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: was very bizarre, how like her Like it's Neil's character
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: was turned up to an eleven and her character was
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: just like disattled it. Yeah there's nothing, Yeah, there's nothing there.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: She's only there to say you did nothing wrong, you
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: are okay. And it's like, did you even see the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: first movie, Laura. It's very hard to like talk about,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: like really, what was Scott's emotional arc in this It's
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: like constantly the movie is telling you there's nothing wrong
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: with him and he did nothing wrong, but he he
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: still has to do this ship. But he also he
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: also see it seems like at different points they're implying
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: like well, part of the reason Charlie's getting in trouble
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: is because Scott is so absent, which I could conceive it,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: but then that kind of goes away and they're like, no, no, no,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Charlie's just acting out because he's in love with Christmas
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and he hates that he can't tell everyone that his
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: dad is Santa. You're like, well, a less interesting problem
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: to explore. Really, Charlie's arc is is accepting that it's
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: wrong of him to miss his father, right, Yeah, that's incorrect.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: That ending exchange was chilling to me. Between Charlie and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: his sister Lucy. Um where he what does he say?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: He says, knowing isn't a burden, It's a gift. You're like,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a burden for you, Charlie, Like,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: we got it, God, And the Lucy stuff is a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: whole another movie, honest to God, like that, that's that's compete.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Lucy is Charlie's little little sister. She's a big Santa
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: fn she loves Santa. Yeah. There are several new female
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: characters introduced in this movie, and there's there's lots to
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: talk about with all of them. Yes, and the thing
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: it is like for a movie that is ostensibly about
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that's ostensibly that wants to sell it to you as
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a romantic comedy about Santa finding his Mrs Clause. The
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: last ten minutes of the movie don't even have Mrs
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Clause in it, Like it's just a whole another deal,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: like wrapping up this other threat. And then she appears
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: in the credit. Ya okay. So back at Laura and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Neil's house, this is when we meet their young daughter, Lucy,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: who Santa Slash Scott has a very close relationship with,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and again Santa, who is now looking more and more
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: like Scott Calvin. He has started to try to meet women.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: For example, he goes on a date with Molly Shannon,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: who is obsessed with Christmas, but in like a freaky way.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't work out. Well. I mean, I'm not
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: going to complain about that scene being there, because Molly
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Shannon is amazing, but huh. And then at the I
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: liked her. At the end, she's like, oh, you don't
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: support my music career, Well, you don't support women, And
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, yeah, you're support women if you
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: don't support me being annoying at a restaurant. That's exactly
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: what I think is true exactly. It was almost like
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that joke, like a joke like making fun of me too,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: but like from like ultimately I agree with her. If
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you don't support me yelling at a restaurant, you hate women, period,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Like believe women? Are you saying I'm supposed to believe
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that woman that thinks so singing voice is good? I
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: don't think so. I didn't really know where that scene
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: was going, but always happy to see Molly Shannon. She
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: kills it. She certainly kills I would say that honestly,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: that scene doesn't go far enough, Like I wish they
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: had really let her unleash herself, you know, but she's
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: never full on belting, you know, which is disappointing to me.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe in Santa Claus four, we'll bring her back in
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: my hard Rebootum, she'll be playing an entirely different character.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Good good, good Okay. So meanwhile, up at the North Pole,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Toy Santa is taking the rules too seriously and is
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: becoming a bit of a tyrant. Basically, he wants all
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the kids to be on the naughty list. Then Charlie
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: gets in trouble at school again, and we're more pro
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Christmas Graffiti for doing quite honestly, even better graffiti than
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: he did the first. Yeah, by the way, it looks professional.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Shout out to whatever production designer was doing that. It
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: looks great, right, Really, I honestly, watching this, I was like,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: am I forgetting that At some point the principle or
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: someone who's like, listen, Charlie, stop messing around. You're good,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: You're really good, but you gotta he got to stop
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: at this graffiti and start picking up a paintbrush, you know. Also,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I think the graffiti says trim a Trey go to
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: jail as what it says. That's what the principle is saying,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: which is not even clever. I think it's I think
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: it's very powerful and it's so odd to me that's
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: such a a Christmas movie that does not mention Jesus once,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that doesn't have a single cross also has a character,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: in this case hand to cause himself, Scott Galvit confront
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the principal and be like, wired there any Christmas trees
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: in this school? There any lights and tinsel? And she's
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: she's very gonna be like, hey, it's a public school.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: And he's like, well, gosh, God, God, darted, here's some
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: money for a read. But she says it's a public school,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: therefore we don't have the funding for Christmas decorations. Not
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: it's a public school because separation of church and state,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: like she cites the wrong reason and not for nothing,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: but like, I mean, my experience in public school was
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: that there was a lot of holiday stuff. Like I
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: did not find that to be washed out, I mean,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: and to the point where maybe it was warranted to
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, why is there so much Christmas stuff
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and in the in this public school, separation of church
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: and state school. But I never found that there was
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: any lack of like celebrating literally any holidays, including the
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: fund up ones that indoctrinate you into all sorts of
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: mess up ships. So I don't even know like what
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be commenting on, because I don't really
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: know of public school kids that didn't that weren't exposed
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: to a ton of Christmas stuff at school. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: we sang Christmas songs. Inqu Yeah, Santa came to school. Well, sorry,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't go to some fancy massive she's its private
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: school with a school Santa. But that sounds pretty I'm
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: telling you. I went to public school Grace but the Golden,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Gilded State of the Union. God. I grew up in
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: one of the Iconically it was voted two thousand five
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: worst one places to live in the United States. Okay,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: so Charlie gets in trouble at school. Principal Newman, whose
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: first name is Carol by the way, Christmas Carol. She
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: makes Charlie and Scott do community service where Carol and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Scott warm up to each other a bit, and then
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: later that night or some night shortly after that, Scott
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: shows up at her house and asks if she would
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: like to get a bite to eat with him, but
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: she was headed to the faculty Christmas party, so she
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: invites him along, and she is so thirsty and she's like, yeah, yeah, weird, dad,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I hated do this morning forty short. I think it's
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: important to note that the Santa Claus Too is actually
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: an adaptation of the novel The Price of Salt by
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Patricia Hismith, which many will know for its other film adaptation,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Carol Um. So Let's takes a lot of liberties. Basically,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: all of polls from the Price of Salt is that
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: this woman named Carol, and it happens that time, but
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: it is it is cool at least that there's a
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Disney movie that was based on a novel written by
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: a Dike icon. It's true. And we've we've covered Carol
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: on this very show. Yes, we have some shout out
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: to the movie Carol. Yeah, but he shows up. He's like,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: there's so many points in this film where it's like
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you really couldn't beat that, you know, like jokes where
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you're like you really couldn't beat him being like, oh,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: I just want to ask do you want to go
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: get noodles and pie? Like you couldn't beat that? Come on?
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: So he so he shows up invite She invites him
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: to her Christmas party. He uses some of his Santa
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: magic to take her there in a horse drawn sleigh
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: and they chat along the way. They get to know
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: each other a little bit better. Then they go to
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Christmas based trauma. She's like, oh, yeah, it's when my
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: parents told me grow up because Christmas reasons. And she's like,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and that's why I didn't someone at school. Yeah, yeah,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: who was saying Santa isn't real? Yeah, Like there's so
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: many not so many, but like two or three moments
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: in this movie, where it's implied that like it is
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: a deep psychic wound that has led Carol to become
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: a public school teacher, Like I don't know why this
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: movie hates public school teachers so much, because it's also
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: implied that her like weird Christmas traumas, like and that's
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: why I'm the meanest teacher in the whole world. And
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: you're like, well, I desire. I had a Christmas committed
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: psychic wound um that led me to becoming a comedy writer,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: which was that I found out Santa wasn't real because
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I was reading the Sunday Funnies and there was like
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: one of those It wasn't the Far Side. It was
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: like a far Side rip off, you know, like single
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: panel comic, like like F is for fake or something,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: and there was a comic about how Santa wasn't real,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, like I got the like I
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: read the Funnies every day, I got the joke, and
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: the way this joke was positioned for whatever reason, really
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: convinced me. I was like, Wow, that must mean I mean,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: this joke wouldn't make sense if he was real. I
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: don't know, like I was just like Wow, Santa for
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: real definitely doesn't exist. And because of that, I became
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: a comedian because I want to prove that you can
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: do good comedy without telling kids that Santa isn't real.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: So any kids are listening to this right now, Santa Israel.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Actually we've just been goofing, but Santa Israel. Yeah, I
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: hope that if kids are still listening to this, um
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Santa Israel. I feel like I double and triple down
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: on finding out Santa wasn't real each and every year
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: by adding more Santas to Santa University, and just you know,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: adding a multiplier to the number, the sheer number of
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Santa's that are real but also very mortal, you know, true,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: much like these Santa's, much like Scott. Scott will die
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't find a wife so soon, which is
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: why he goes to the party with Carol and it's
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and the party is She's back, doll. So Scott uses
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: some more of his Santa magic to liven it up,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: and he gives all the party goers a bunch of
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: gifts classic retroad toys. Right, and he's running out of
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: his Santa magic, which means he's gonna have trouble getting
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: back to the North Pole. I forgot to add that
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: part in there. But Carol is suspicious of Scott and
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: all the magic he seems to be using, but she's
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: also dazzled. And Carol and Scott kiss and it's a
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: bad kiss. Sorry, it's a really bad I'm like, we
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: can't get a second take on this kiss. They're just
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: like sometimes you're just like wow, kids, Like it's a
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: kiss that made me think wow, a kisses just two
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: faces next to each other. I mean, to be fair
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: to the filmmaker, is Scott is like I haven't done
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: this in a while, but truly, I mean, like, come on, man, like,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, Tim Allen is disgusting. And also like I
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: would say that the original Santa Claus suggests that he
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: kind of has a game. I'm not saying that's a
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: good thing. I'm not saying he has a respectful games.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a good person, but I am
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: saying that the original Santa Claus kind of suggests that
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Scott Calvin has game. Yeah, I agree, And it's it's
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: like this, I mean, I feel like, you know, you
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: do have the evil Tim Allen represented in this movie
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: through fascy Santa Claus. I feel like I can see
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: fashy Santa Claus easily texting carl Marks Communist Manifesto Wikipedia
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: every single morning. Probably no problem. But Scott Calvin, the
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: centrist Santa Claus, if you will, um, yeah, just a
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: sexless weirdo in this one, really doesn't really plant one
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: on the woman he will very soon basically forced to
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: marry him. If you are ideologically standing on sand and
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: your dick's going to be as wobbly as your legs. Which,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Scott Calvin, when you say that like that, I can
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: just see that in like a cursive font on a
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: picture of Okay, so there's a there's a gross kiss. Uh.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: And then he tells Carol that he is Santa Claus,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: but she thinks that he is mocking her and she
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't believe him, so she kicks him out of her house.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Then Scott and his son Charlie have an argument because
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Charlie is resentful of having to keep the secret that
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: his dad is Santa and he's also upset that his
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: dad is seeing his principal and didn't even tell Charlie
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: about it. Oh fuck, that means Charlie's in danger of
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: becoming a public school principle, right with all this Christmas
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: related trauma that he's got to come on, you don't
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: want your kid to be a public school principle, want
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: to be a charter school principle so they can defraud
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the school out of hundreds of thousands of not the dream.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I would also like to say that, interestingly enough, Carol
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: says something maybe like the only thing I've ever seen
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: in a Disney movie that approaches being like really body
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: fat positive whatever, at least from that time, from when
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I was growing up, not like the more recent ones
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Disney as Queen. You're really doing it? Thank you now?
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Like you girl. So at one point, Scott tells Carol
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: before he says that he's Santa, He's like, I'm usually
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: a lot more bigger than this, and she goes, that's okay,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I am sometimes too. Yeah. I thought that was beautiful.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: But because she's seen him when he's really fat before,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: like that, you know, she's And I was like, I
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: love Carol, Yes, Carrol, and I've actually the whole movie.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I liked Carrol as a character. I thought she was
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: like fun and that's that's that's what makes what's about
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: to happen even more tragic because like in the ending
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: bit of this, they do what they did to Scott's wife,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: They lobotomized Carroll and turn her into like just another
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: little like one of his wenches, right right, And I
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: do I do think it's like Carol, I agree with that.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, I don't. I don't love
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: how she's written at a lot of points. And I
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: feel like they really like make her evil at work
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: in a way that feels pretty gendered of like, oh,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like women have to be really mean at
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: work or people won't take them seriously kind of thing.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: But I feel like there is an angle from which
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: you can see Carol where it's like, you know, she
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: projects this very intense image at school, but then like
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: among among friends, she's chill, she's fun, And I feel
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: like that is actually a real teacher archetype exists in
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the world. I've had teachers like that who are like
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: friends with my parents or like friends with were like neighbors,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: and they're not scary in a neighbor context, but when
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: they're like dance fast or Jamie, and so I just
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: wanted to shout out miss Carol Thomas from Brockton High
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: School who was yelling at me to dance faster. But
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: she was my cousin's neighbor and she was nice. Okay,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: carols like that exists. So at the North Pole. Back
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: of the North Pole, Toy Santa is now a fascist
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: dictator who has built an army of toy soldiers and
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: he is hell bent on giving all the children in
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: the world lumps of coal. He says, I am a despot.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: He does, yes, he just says that out loud on purpose.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I really think that if they if they wanted to
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: actually do that, they should have gone all the way
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: and they should have had him killed Bernard, I mean,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: don't even take I have so few things off and
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: held it up over the alums and screamed, you want
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: to you. I guess he really is the Headolf now,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: And that would have made sense too, because Bernard isn't
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: in the third film Wow. Instead, Instead, toy Santa just
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: arrests Bernard. Yeah, and he's a he's still a pow
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Yeah. So then Curtis the Elf goes to
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Scott and tells him about the problems with Toy Santa,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: but Scott can't get back to the North Pole because
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: he used up too much of his Santa magic and
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: comment cannot fly because he ate too much candy and
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: gained a lot of weight. So even though there's that
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: one moment in the movie, there's still quite a bit
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: of fat phobia in this like yeah, in like the
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: most like I mean, and this is not the worst
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: part of that scene because it's like a very like
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: a fat phobic moment um. But the fart sound effect
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: that they choose really does sound like fart dot MP three.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: It is the most uninspired fart sound I've ever heard
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: in all of cinema. I'm like, you gotta make your
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: farts custom with this. What wait, let's check in on
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: the budget this movie had. It was sixty million dollar
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: budget and they played fart dot MP three unconscionable m
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: m and in two thousand and two. So they can't
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: get back to the North Pole Son. They have to
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: call upon the Tooth Fairy to get Scott back to
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: the North Pole. Meanwhile, Charlie shows Carol the magic snow
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: globe that Bernard had given him in the first movie
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: to get her to believe that Scott is Santa. And
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how that works, but it does, and
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: now she believes it just shines. A bright light comes
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: out of it and she's like, fuck, dude, your dad
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: is to Holy shit. So back at the North Pole,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Scott tries to confront Toy Santa, who captures Scott and Curtis,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: but then the Tooth Fairy shows up again with Charlie
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: and Carol, who untied Scott, and then he and the
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Elves go to try to stop Toy Santa, but it's
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: too late. Toy Santa has already left to deliver all
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: the cold to the children of the world because I
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: guess now it's also Christmas Eve. Question mark. Yeah, that
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: happened pretty quickly. I wasn't clear on that either. But
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Real Santa chases after Dictator Toy Santa on this reindeer
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: and training named Chet, and he successfully stops Toy Santa
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: and then the Elves the most uninspired action sequence. It's
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: really bad. It's oh my god. Tim Allen does a
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: line from Toy Story that you're what is it like,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: you're sad strange children. The Toy Story came out seven
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: years ago at that point, why is he doing I'm
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: not sure? Hard to say well, they had five writers,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: but they were still missing the line when they turned
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: it in, so the producers had to copy and taste
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: something from one of those. Should have said Carl Mark's
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Communist Manifesto Wikipinia. That would have been. That would have really,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: you know, Gussie did up. He should have been like
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: a quote from Benito Mussolini. He should have said something
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: about how he kept the sleigh running on time or something. Oh,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: that is on par with the beheading Bernard's suggestion. Okay,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: So then, so Christmas is saved, but Scott has to
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: tell Carol that he can't keeping Santa unless he finds
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: a Mrs Claus. So then he proposes to Carol and
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: she says yes, and then they get married that night,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: and then he delivers the toys around the world, and
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: then movie ends with Scott and Charlie and Lucy having
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: a nice tender moment. That's the end of the movie.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and then we will come
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: back to discuss and we're back. Okay, So what haven't
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: we covered at this points? Quite a lot. I would say,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: there's so much stuff to talk about. It's the fucking
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the proposal. Okay, So yeah, let's talk about what happens
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: to poor Carrol, who I do agree. I essentially like care.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like there is enough written about her that
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: you're like, I like this lady. I I see why
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: she and Scott are mostly I see like I it's
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: not the least chemistry I've ever seen between two characters.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: So there, So there's that, There's that. There's the fact
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: that the whole premise of this movie hinges on Santa
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: needing to find a his wife. But like, we don't
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: know why that's it's never established why that's part of it?
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Why is heteronormativity? What Jesus said, is Jesus, why don't
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: they ever challenge this institution that is creating all of
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: these clauses? And who is it? Like Mother Earth? Like
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: who's in charge of this? And why can't they defy it?
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I would say, I would say maybe it is Mother Earth,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: because there are a few suggestions that she is essentially God,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: you know, throughout. Yeah. So another thing about this relationship
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: is it's another example of like two people who will
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: end up in a romantic relationship, but they start out
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: hating each other. I don't know why this is such
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: a common premise for a romantic storyline, and he's two lovers. Baby.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I personally never had that happened to me. I'm personally
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: never in my life started out hating someone and then
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: ended up like marrying them. Oh wait, do you want
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: to like fuck like I think wait, not too long
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: ago quote? Oh I think it was in the It
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: was that you've got male episodes. Yes, there's like a
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Nora Fron quote about how nonsensical to set up is,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: except that she's like, well, but it's a movie, so
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: you have to do it. Where it's like, yeah, I've
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: certainly never absolutely fucking hated someone upon meeting them and
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: then later realized that it was they were my one
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: true love. It's not something that happens. And I would say,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: if it is happening to you, maybe maybe take a
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: look at what's going on, you know, could be maybe
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: a red flag to suddenly be like, actually, I don't
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: fucking hate you, I fucking love you, you know, yes,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: and then and then her flipping and deciding that she, oh,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: he's not so bad after all. I don't I can't
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: really track that evolution. The most disturbing part I think
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: of that whole arc more than like her flip and
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: being like ude or whatever is in the proposal, Santa
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: essentially says that he groomed her like He's like, it's
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: so weird. He's like, I've been with you since you
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: were a kid. I've always been there for you. I've
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: always loved you, haven't I, Carol, It's really good. So, yeah,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: that is like perverted to say. And also it wasn't him.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: It was one of the old Santas. He's only even
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Santa for eight years, which is Cannon in the movie.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: But that makes him feel like hereditary. It makes me
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: feel like feel like she was bred for this, you know.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: It makes you feel like she was designing for this.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: And it's weird to have all these owls to be like,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: come on marrying him, marry him like you can. You
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: can almost see her saying no and then then grabbing
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: at her and like eating her, you know. Yeah, and
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: then she's transformed into something inhuman, which we see in
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: the credits when she is like turned into this Mrs Claus,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: a totally different person than who she was just dancing around,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: fattened up, totally different hair. The Santa Claus her insformation
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: in the original film to me, does come off as magical,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: but the Mrs Claus transformation comes off his body horror
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: to me at least. And that's not me being fatphobic.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm just saying that, like, this woman was kind
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: of forced into turning this in human mythological character that's
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: not her right and and then like the the it's
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: supposed to be okay because well she can still teach,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: and so in that way, uh, you know, has she
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: really lost anything? It's like, well, yeah, what about her
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: like family and life and also a choice in the matter.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Um yeah, because the elves, I mean, the elves would
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: have so really eat her if she said no, because
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: their whole fucking ecosystem relies on her saying yes right now.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: And there I also thought it was the abbey, Abbey
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: the elf there's still I mean, look, the North Paul
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: is a patriarchy in this movie. There are no girl
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: elves in high up positions. It's Bernard and it's what's
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: his name, little Spencer Breslin flopping around Wait wait wait wait,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: it's a really high up position to be Santa's waitress.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: She's get his full time waitress. And then he's so
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: like emotionally unintelligent that she has to start proposing to Carol.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: For him, it's his little child made that he flirts
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: with time, you know, it's so creepy. And then yeah,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: part of that proposal is him guilty Carol into marrying him,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: saying like, hey, you know pressure, But if I don't
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: get married, you know, Christmas won't happen, the children everywhere,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: we'll stop believing in Christmas and Instanta, that the elves
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: will lose their job. So she like basically has no
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: choice but to be like, I guess I have to
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: marry you now. And it's it's like the steaks being
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: this high is presented as a joke, and then she
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: kind of responds like ha ha ha, well I guess
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: what else am I supposed to do? And then she
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: don't come home too late and then and then he
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: turned back into Santa before her very eyes. It's very
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: like there's an instant God. And this also means that
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Carol now has to sacrifice everything in her life, which
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: does get commented on. He's like, I know, I'm asking
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: you to leave everything behind, but this place is worth it.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: But she like has to leave her life, her job,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: like her family say goodbye. It doesn't seem like she's
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: like it to go back get her stuff. And as
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: we've we've spoken on before in the Santa Clause three episodes,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: it does feel like the school she teaches was kind
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: of just created so she had a place to teach.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, these are immortal, like how does this work?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: You know? And also it's like she doesn't she can't
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: teach what they need to know. She's like a mobster
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: buys a nightclub so that his girlfriend has a place
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: to sing. This This does get suggested at the end
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: of this movie because he's like, and yes, um, you
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: can be the principal at the school here that we
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: definitely have at the North Pole for sure, we already
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: have that wank wang. Yeah, so they're clearly lying about that.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: But bottom line, she has to sacrifice everything in her
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: life before that. I mean, the romance leading up to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: this very bizarre, scary proposal is again him showing up
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: at her house to ask her out, and they go
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: on one day. They have the worst kiss in all
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: of movies. Yeah, I was worried that he was going
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: to wait a long time because I didn't remember how
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: this movie hands out exactly. I wasn't sure about the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: like specific plot points, and I was worried that he
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: was going to wait a long time to tell Carol
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: that he is Santa, because that's the type of thing
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: where in a movie like this, the character often a
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: man would keep this secret and keep lying to his
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: love interest. So I was surprised he's a friend about it.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Though he's a friend about it, he tells her very quickly.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: It's like at the end of their first and only date,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: what he should have done is invited her back to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: the house. He was saying at his his excess house,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: brought her to the backyard, been like, here's a reindeer,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: look at him fly. That would have been the same
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: moral thing, like him revealing a secret. But in a
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: way that's like there you go. You know that makes sense,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Like here's your decision. I would say, honestly, telling someone
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: your Santa at the end of the first date, it's
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: too soon. I mean, it's I don't want to know
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: at the end of the first date. I would want
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: to know, but also I want to know on a
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: second day. For some reason, it's confusing that she doesn't
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: believe him because she's seen what is clearly magic on
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: display that he is doing in front of her very eyes.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: But then when he like contextualizes it, she's like, no,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: you're making fun of me because I told you about
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: my Christmas trauma. Yeah, and that's such at least she like,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: I told you that I like, I liked Christmas, but
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: then a kind of bad thing happened that maybe a
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: lot of people would probably not still be caught up on.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: But why and you're making fun of me by Like
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: if I never been hurt by that too, Like even
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: if he was Joe game right, Like, how dare you
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: joke that your Santa Claus? You know? She was really
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: put on? I mean I almost got there with understand
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: because she was. But she's like, what are You're making
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: fun of me because of my Christmas trauma and now
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: you're telling me you're Santa Claus? Like, I don't know
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: that that would be an antagonistic response. It would be
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: a weird one if he were making it up, But
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't, Yeah, but who cares. Also, in
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: the scene where they're bond, I guess we're supposed to
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: think that they are bonding over their love of Christmas
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: or their former her former love of Christmas. I don't
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: know what. Whatever they bond over is like, definitely not
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: enough to build a marriage on, because it's like pizza
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: crust and the model of some random car. But the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: clause doesn't require, as Grace pointed out, a happy marriage.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: It just requires a marriage. And this is just to
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: go to my point that if this whole movie had
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: just been about that romance could have been good. But
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: they have, like, I don't know, ten pages of the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: screenplay allocated to developing this romance, so you hardly get
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: any of that. And then the movie just like presents
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: this very weird, rushed saying where he's like, by the way,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: I came here to find a wife, but I didn't
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: expect to fall in love because that's not detailed in
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: the clause. I don't need to do that, which is
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: also so bleak. And then she's like, wait a minute,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: you love me? Oh my gosh, wow awesome. But I
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: mean the way romantic love is depicted in almost every
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: movie is upsetting. It's not good. Can we talk about Lucy? Yes,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: which I think Grace, did you say that sounds like
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: a whole other movie. Yeah, I mean, like the first
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: movie was all about Charlie and Santa's relationship. This movie
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: tries to get that again. So Lucy, I don't know
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: if we've been clear enough. Is is Neil and Neil
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: and Laura's kid? Yeah? And I like that. I like
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: that we see that Lucy has a good relationship with Scott. Yeah,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: that's cool. That is cool, Like and the road strokes,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I guess it's cool. Like they keep like kind of
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: gaslighting her about like how Scott is in Santa, Like
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: maybe that's too severe for worried about like they keep
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: telling being like, oh no, that reindeer and all that,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: but he's not Santa. But the thing is, they really
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: try to have their cake and eat it two in
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: a million ways in this movie, including by trying to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: have another Charlie Santa story engine but with Lucy, and
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Lucy has like twelve minutes of screen time, you know,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: like it just isn't it's just not there. It's it's
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: not And Lucy doesn't she come back for three She's
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: back and she does. She does. Yeah, And she doesn't
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: really have much of a of a character, and she
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: loves Christmas. Charlie had more. Charlie had like some SATs Tom,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: some comedy about him and Lucy is just like like
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: when they need a kid to be like, but Chris
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: on Christmas, we're not supposed to fight or YadA, YadA, YadA,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Right, there she is and there
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: she is baby. I don't yeah, I I wish that
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: there was a lot because that that kid is so cute,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: and I liked the idea of like building a relationship
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: with her and Charlie, but that the end scene you
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: get with them is so bleak, where Charlie just sort
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: of is just like the knowledge that your stepfather is Santa,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: don't let it be a burden, let it be a gift.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: But if you fucking tell anyone, the whole family is screwed.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Like it's just oh, there's all of these like burdens
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: on this family. And then Laura has been like incepted
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: by some someone. Where did she go? I I just
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: I wonder what the like, what the thinking was behind
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: that that like totally removed. I'm like, can you not
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: have two adult women with opinions in one movie? Like
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: do you have to take them and then give them?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: In the Santa Clause movies, it seems part of the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Christmas magic is an enchantment in the North Pole, where
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: if you're a woman who goes there, you are lobotomized, forever, servant, dossile,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: not good. It's a very yeah, it's a very sinister vibe.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: When an adult woman is taken to the North Pole,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: it never ends well for them. All right, what did?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Is there anything else people want to touch on? Just that?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I guess we We talked a little
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: bit about Abby the elf seeming to be an important elf,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: but only in the sense that she brings Coco to Santa,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: whereas like Curtis and Bernard are the ones making important decisions.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's still kind of weird vibes between
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: her and Santa, But at least it's not like in
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: the first movie where they like explicitly yeah, that will
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: never leave me that it was awful, Like so good,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: good on you the Santa Claus two writers for not
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: having that happen right. Also, at the end, she has
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: to be saved by Charlie when the Toys soldiers are
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: attacking the elves, and that doesn't make any sense. He
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: just play he raffles down right from where because that's
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: my new thing? Oh bad boy? Charlie, we love him. Yeah,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: And then also I mean it's like this is an
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: extension of what happens in the first movie, but every
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: like because Neil's goofy nous is turned up to an eleven.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Like in the first and in all movies of this era,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: any therapist character is like what a what a loser?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: This person is doing nothing for no one. Therapy is
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: for weak people and we don't believe in it. And
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: like this one goes even further. At one point, Scott
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: is like, have you ever helped a single person? And
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Neil does says nothing, like yeah. It's it's like cartoonistually
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: over the top in terms of like that I don't know,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: but that was again like so many Disney movies at
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: that time, because it's I always think of the Jamie
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Lee Curtis Freaky Friday character too, where like the people
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: who come to her when she's a therapist and that
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: are like so overplayed and so like mothered and demonized.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: And you don't see any of Neil's patients, but you
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: just see him being absolutely like read to ship over
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: and over and over of like your job isn't real,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: like and from Santa Claus Santa Claus is saying, I
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: don't consider your job legitimate. Like, that's that's dark, that's
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: fucked up. Uh. Mother Earth played by Asia Tyler, the
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: only woman of color with a speaking role in the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: entire movie. And while she is in a leadership role
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: because she's maybe God, she is God, she's playing the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: roll of God and yet has nothing to do, nothing
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: to do. The Tooth Fairy has way more narrative significance
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: than she does. Although I think it was an interesting
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: and subversive choice to make the Tooth Fairy a man
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: in this franchise, and I wanted to just shut out.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: The actor who played the Tooth Fairy died this week,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the week that we record. He died very recently, Art
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: la Fleur. So he's been in a million movies. Truly
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: a great character actor, really, really a great character actor.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: So if you don't know who he is, like from
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: from us saying his name or whatever, if you see
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: his face, you'll you'll have a million memories of him. Yeah.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: I like the Tooth Fairy character of but I wish
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: that they'd use the whole league a little more because
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: they have so many good like, yeah, they have Michael
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Dorne I always forget Michael Doran is Sandman, and Michael
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Doran's like work life balance is important, and that's sort
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: of his whole role in this movie. I don't know.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: And Frank from Everybody loves Raymond, but his Scott's boss
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: from the first film is the Oh yeah, it's their time, right.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't even connect that Wild Wild Everyone at the
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: North Pole only speaks English and with an American accent,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: as if the first movie British helps I mean English,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: but there are British elves in the first movie. This time.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: It's just like, I think it would have been much
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: cooler if they had summoned Mother Earth to help them
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: travel by like cutting off the head of a sheep,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: like exactly, rise from the dirt and suck them up. Grace,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: save it for your Santa Claus four pitch um. I
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: don't really have anything else to say. Yeah, I mean
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: it doesn't pass the back tol test like that, and
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's even close. Okay, okay, if you consider,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: if you consider that she's building an argument, I can
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: see the wheels. Wait, wait, wait, there is a There
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: is a scene where Lucy goes Mom and Laura goes yes,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: and Lucy says, I lost another tooth. Should I put
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: it under my pillow? And then Scott we goes the
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: same class too. No, not meaningfully. No, but that tooth
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: is important. That is a narratively important tooth. No, it passes.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't feel great about it either.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I don't feel good about that at all. But it's perfect.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: It's perfect. But this is our I need this recognizing
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: the SAA class too passes the petal task. I mean
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: that mean that meets every criteria. It is like, you
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: can't deny that that tooth is important. Yeah, I know, sod.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: The verdict is in. It passes unless there's a secret
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: clause to the Bechtel tests that we don't know about
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: and we are just finding out. Get Spencer, Get Spencer
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: in here where we need just magnifying glasses. The let's
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: write the movie on our nipple scale zero to five
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: nipples based on an examination of the movie through an
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: intersectional feminist lens. I'm gonna give this. I guess like
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: one nipple a half nipple between the ludicrous romantic storyline
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: that is creepy and based on absolutely nothing aside from
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Santa needing his wife to continue justifying his existence. Carol
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: being forced and guilted into a marriage after going on
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: one date with the guy, her having to sacrifice everything
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: in her life as a result. I hate it. Um.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: The movie does introduce several new female characters, but well
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: some some have are now just a husk of their
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: former selves. But technically, yes, there are men, there are
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: there are women in the movie, but um, most of
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: the women who are present are not really contributing much
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: to the story, or they don't have any agency, or
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: they get coerced into a marriage with Santa Claus at
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: the last minute. So I don't like it. I'm going
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: to go down to a half nipple. I'll give my
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: half nipple to comment the reindeer. Oh my gosh. No, wait, well,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: I mean I can't tell you what to do. I
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: just wanted I just I forgot to say. Comment was
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: a I've talked about this in the show many times,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: but this specific era of like combining animatronics with c
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: G I used to scare the living ship out of me,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: and comment is a is A is a formative example
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: of like I can't look at this, or it's gonna
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: haunt me. Like really haunt me. Comment is a scary
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: looking the eyes, the way the eyes, it's it's not good.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: I feel absolutely fucking defeated by the fact that this
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: movie passes the Bechdel test. It kind of blows my mind. Uh,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: And it really is like giving me a headache to
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: think about. And you know, like when you're at a
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: point where you're like you can feel in your sign,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: You're like, I could get a noseblade at any second.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to give it five nipples because this
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: has been a three year journey we've been on with
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: the Santa Claus movies. We went one three too, because
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: we're not like other girls, We're not going to do
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: it in the order. Um, I'm going to give it
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: five nipples because I think that this is the first
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: one that passed the Bechdel test um and and is
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: it my least favorite of the three by a long shot. Absolutely.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: I I don't like this one. I don't enjoy watching it.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I won't be returning to it, unlike the Santa Claus
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: one and three, which I will be coming back to
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: for years to come. Sure, I can't fully I just hey,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: I lost a tooth. Should I put underneath my pill.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: Yes you should. And then so I have to give
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: it five nipples. I have to give it five nipples,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm giving them all to Bernard again, very good grace.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: I also have to give it five nipples. Oh my god, sorry,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: cause it's now in the top five percent of movies
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: we've ever come. How could I give any less than
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: to score? How can I give any less than five
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: nipples to the very air that I breathe? Santa Claus
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: films are inside of me and outside of me, and
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: they're like Santa Claus films are what what my pastor
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: told me, Jesus was like, always with me, always there
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: for me. And how how am I supposed to give
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: a negative review of a building block of life itself?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: I just don't think that I can do that. Thought
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: of that before she care for her. I just don't
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: think that that. Um, I'm going to give my five nipples.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give each one of them to a
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: different one of my close friends and have them take
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: care of them as if they are each a key
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: that one combined what is able to unlock something in
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: me that is like a pure or joy that might
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: need to be unlocked. In the future, in a dark time.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to disperse these nipples amongst my friends
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: that will be keepers of the Santa Claus two nipples,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: and they'll be able to use them in in time
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: at a time of great need in the future. And
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: if I pass away before that time comes, I hope
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: they use the nipples to unlock a great Christmas joy
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: in somebody else, like say a fascist dictator, you know,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: like if Trump gets reelected, use those nipples to teach
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: him the true meaning of Christmas. That is so beautiful,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: and I'm crying, really really beautiful. She really is listener
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: as she really is, Jamie, I can't, I can't look.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: There's a waterfall going on across Jamie's face right now.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: I can't stop fucking crying. And this is really hard
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: for me. Jamie. I'm sorry you're crying. Thank you, Grace,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: thank you for coming back, and thank co cleating the
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: trifecta of the Santa Claus trilogy and making this the
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: best holiday tradition I've ever participated in. Yeah, maybe the
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: only holiday tradition I've ever participated in. Really, I love Christmas,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: but I have I had a hard childhood, so We've
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: got five hours of audio on that. I actually think,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: where can Where can people follow you online and check
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: out your stuff? Well? Two things what I never mentioned
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: that I rewatched it with motion smoothing on because it's
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: I'm watching it on my in laws television. I couldn't
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: figure out how to turn it off, and that made
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: it even more surreal and weird and like stumming redgen
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  Speaker 1: And I suggest everyone should do that to really be
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  Speaker 1: able to like look at the world and what it
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  Speaker 1: is in a new way. Um, where can you follow me?
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  Speaker 1: I'm at Grace g Freud on Twitter. Um, I have
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  Speaker 1: a newsletter to you that's like Timey letter dot com
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  Speaker 1: slash Grace Freud. I am part of a comedy duo
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  Speaker 1: called Girl God Um and we are doing a never
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  Speaker 1: ending tour. We're in Chicago in December, Los Angeles and January.
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  Speaker 1: We're back in New York in February. We've got more
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  Speaker 1: shows to announce soon. Also watch Rick and Morty in
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  Speaker 1: two years when there's a banger. Thank you, Thank you
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  Speaker 1: guys for having me. I've really loved this so much.
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  Speaker 1: Uh and I'm glad that we This is the only
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  Speaker 1: thing I've ever completed in my life. So thank you, Grace,
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  Speaker 1: we love you. That's beautiful. It's a it's a Christmas miracle. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of shows, we're gonna be at San Francisco Sketch Fest.
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  Speaker 1: We keep forgetting to promote this show that is actually
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  Speaker 1: quite soon. We're gonna be back. It's on January nine,
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  Speaker 1: and you can come if you're in San Francisco. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be uh releasing additional tour dates soon, so you
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  Speaker 1: can just imagine once around San Francisco. What's directly you know,
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  Speaker 1: above San Francisco. And also Caitlin and I want to
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  Speaker 1: go to Vegas. To go to Vegas, the North Pole
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  Speaker 1: is directly a post. We're going to the North Pole.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I know that we've said adult women shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: go to the North Pole, but we're just going to
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  Speaker 1: see what happens. Well, Jamie, I've been proposed to by
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  Speaker 1: Santa and I have to say yes. So we're going
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  Speaker 1: to Wow. I'm gonna I'm gonna try my luck with
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  Speaker 1: Bernard see if he'll have me best of luck. I'm
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