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  Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast the We'll We're Moving On Up
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  Speaker 1: edition as we take an in depth look at the
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  Speaker 1: Bengals draft class with one of the best analyst in football,
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  Speaker 1: Greg ko Sell from NFL Films and the ESPN Matchup Show.
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  Speaker 1: Did the Bengals get it right by taking Jamar Chase
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  Speaker 1: fifth overall instead of Piney Sewell? Greg ko Sell says yes.
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  Speaker 1: We'll discuss that and much more. Plus I'll spend a
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  Speaker 1: few minutes with second round draft pick Jackson Carmen, and
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  Speaker 1: then my broadcast partner Dave Lapham joins me to discuss
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals Ring of Honor ballot and answer the questions
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  Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing since my mom. Since Mother's Day
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  Speaker 1: is this weekend, I want to take a moment to
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  Speaker 1: say how grateful I am to be the son of
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  Speaker 1: Diane Bailey. One of the reasons I followed my childhood
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  Speaker 1: dream of becoming a sports broadcaster is that my mom
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  Speaker 1: is the type of person who decides that she wants
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  Speaker 1: to do something and then goes for it. Although she
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  Speaker 1: did not attend college, she's been successful in multiple careers,
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  Speaker 1: including interior design and buying and selling antiques. When she
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  Speaker 1: was younger, she dabbled in acting, and after turning seventy,
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  Speaker 1: she decided to learn how to play the cello, all
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  Speaker 1: while raising five extremely lucky kids. So happy Mother's Day, Mom,
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  Speaker 1: and thanks. Now let's get to football. There are a
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  Speaker 1: few things more worthless than instantaneous NFL draft grades. It
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  Speaker 1: generally takes about three years to have a good sense
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  Speaker 1: of how productive a team's draft is, and yet every year,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing I do on the Sunday morning after
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  Speaker 1: the draft check out every draft grade I can find.
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  Speaker 1: I just can't help myself. This year, the Bengals mostly
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  Speaker 1: got b pluses and bees, and often got dinged for
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  Speaker 1: not taking Penney Sewell in the first round. But one
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  Speaker 1: of the opinions I value most belongs to Greg ko Sell,
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  Speaker 1: and he says the Bengals got it right, all right,
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  Speaker 1: This is a real treat for me and the listeners
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  Speaker 1: of this podcast, an opportunity to discuss the draft and
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  Speaker 1: free agency with a great Greg coo Sell. You did
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  Speaker 1: in depth scouting reports on six of the players that
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals wound up drafting. Let's start with Jamar Chase.
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  Speaker 1: You had him ranked as the number one wide receiver
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  Speaker 1: in this year's draft. In your scouting report, the word
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  Speaker 1: physical appears seven times. The words strong or strength appear
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  Speaker 1: six times. Is that what jumped off the screen when
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  Speaker 1: you study Jamar Chase? That? And competitive? That was probably
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  Speaker 1: another word that you noticed on my scouting report. I
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  Speaker 1: really loved watching him. I actually watched him last summer.
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  Speaker 1: I did not know that he would sit out the season. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: last summer, I didn't even know if there would be
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  Speaker 1: a season, So but I so I watched him last summer.
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  Speaker 1: I really loved his tape. And as you know, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: everything I talk about comes from just pure tape study.
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  Speaker 1: I don't meet the players. I don't know all their backgrounds.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting in my office. Last year, I was home
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  Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. But I sit in my office at
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  Speaker 1: NFL Films, and I watched tape and I loved Chase
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  Speaker 1: this game. I loved his competitiveness. I loved the way
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  Speaker 1: he defeated press coverage, which he'll do have to do
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL. He play a lot of boundary X,
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  Speaker 1: which means he lined up on the ball, and you
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  Speaker 1: get press when you're on the ball and the corner
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  Speaker 1: is closer to you, so you have to be able
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  Speaker 1: to win against press. He ran a ton of slants,
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  Speaker 1: and keep in mind the NFL game, Now you know
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  Speaker 1: there's a ton of RPOs, there's a ton of quick game,
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  Speaker 1: and you run a lot of those quick inbreakers, the
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  Speaker 1: three step slants or the five step glance routes they
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  Speaker 1: call them. And he could take it to the house.
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  Speaker 1: He was very competitive run after cat as you saw
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  Speaker 1: in my notes that I don't sit around after I
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  Speaker 1: watch a player dan and say, who does he remind
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  Speaker 1: me of? It either hits me or it doesn't hit me.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought there was some Steve Smith in his game,
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  Speaker 1: just a competitive intensity with which he played. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was tremendous. I loved his tape and I think
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  Speaker 1: that he'll be a really good player, And say what
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  Speaker 1: you will, but I thought, what he did at his
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  Speaker 1: Pro day speaks to his commitment because he didn't play
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  Speaker 1: football this year, and he came out obviously had been
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  Speaker 1: training hard and had put up phenomenal Pro day numbers.
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  Speaker 1: As I think you know, there was a huge debate
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  Speaker 1: among Bengals fans as to whether they were team Sewel
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  Speaker 1: or team Chase. Should the Bengets go for the offensive
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  Speaker 1: lineman and round one or for the wide receiver in
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  Speaker 1: round one? Did you have strong feelings? I did? To me,
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  Speaker 1: Chase is truly special, and I think that you needed
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  Speaker 1: him more that you could get an offensive lineman later
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  Speaker 1: as they did. We'll discuss Jackson and Carmen shortly. But
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  Speaker 1: I like Sue a lot. There's nothing not to like
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  Speaker 1: about Tony Sewell. I just think when you have a
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  Speaker 1: chance to get a player who is a true game breaker,
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  Speaker 1: and you know the nature of the NFL now, as
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  Speaker 1: you know Dan is offensively, what are you trying to
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  Speaker 1: do create explosive plays? Defensively? What are you trying to
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  Speaker 1: do stop explosive plays? That's the NFL game, and that's
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  Speaker 1: the cliff notes version. And I just think that the
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  Speaker 1: warrant receivers as good as Chase the drop off was
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  Speaker 1: much bigger, whereas the drop off to me, and I
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  Speaker 1: know others disagree. That's fine, you know. I like to
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  Speaker 1: think reasonable people can disagree, you know. But I thought
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  Speaker 1: the drop off with sewell to other tackles as you
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  Speaker 1: move through the second round was not going to be
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  Speaker 1: as great as the drop off for me between Chase
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  Speaker 1: and the receivers that would be there in the second round.
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  Speaker 1: The Bengals have two really good receivers already, and Tyler
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  Speaker 1: Boyd and t Higgins beneath neither guy has great speed
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  Speaker 1: and Chase does. How important is that? Well, you'd always
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  Speaker 1: like to have a guy that can be a vertical
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  Speaker 1: dimension and that can change the way the defense plays,
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  Speaker 1: because ultimately, you know what you're trying to do. And
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  Speaker 1: I think Burrow is is great at this to begin with.
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  Speaker 1: This was one of the things that came out in
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  Speaker 1: his interviews at the Combine when I spoke to a
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  Speaker 1: lot of coaching friends of mine. Burrow is really smart
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  Speaker 1: to begin with. But what you're trying to do, as
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  Speaker 1: you know, is you're always trying to give the quarterback
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  Speaker 1: as much information as possible before the snap of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: The great ones win before the snap of the ball,
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  Speaker 1: Burrow will be that guy. But now you have You know,
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  Speaker 1: Higgins played a lot of X last year, but I
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  Speaker 1: think Chase is truly an X. Higgins you can move
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  Speaker 1: him around. We know Boyd is phenomenal in the slot.
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  Speaker 1: He has been for years. So they really have a
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  Speaker 1: nice trio of receivers that you know. Obviously, Chase could
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  Speaker 1: also move around. You know you can. You can put
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  Speaker 1: Higgins in Chase wherever you want them. So this is
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  Speaker 1: now a really interesting receiving corps because Higgins is big.
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  Speaker 1: Chase is not small, but he's obviously smaller than Higgins.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be pretty excited if I was a Bengals fan
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  Speaker 1: about this receiving corps and with Burrow coming back. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking to the great Greg co Sell from NFL Films
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  Speaker 1: and the NFL Matchup Show on ESPN. Let's move on
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  Speaker 1: to Jackson Carmen. The Bengals traded back in the second
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  Speaker 1: round and got him at number forty six. You wrote
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  Speaker 1: that he can be a quality starter in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: What do you like most? Yeah, I like Carmen. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's funny. I was on a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: rampage before the draft because you always hear people say,
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  Speaker 1: well he's a guard, and you heard that with Jackson Carmen.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, at the end of the day, dan As,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you got to line up with sixty four
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  Speaker 1: offensive tackles every week. Not everybody is Joe Thomas. Not
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  Speaker 1: everybody has sweet feed in the perfect length. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's just not fifty Joe Thomas's, so you gotta still
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  Speaker 1: line up with tackles and Jackson Carmen. You know, actually
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  Speaker 1: I believe he's from Ohio, and I think he was
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  Speaker 1: a big time high school player in Ohio. You would
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  Speaker 1: know that better than I. Our Field, Ohio as a
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati suburb essentially. Well, there you go. So I knew
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  Speaker 1: he was from Ohio. I just don't exactly where. But
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  Speaker 1: I kind of liked Carmen. I mean, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think he's physical. I think he's aggressive. People will discuss
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  Speaker 1: the arm length, which is a little bit less than
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  Speaker 1: what is considered ideal for an offensive tackle. I think
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  Speaker 1: people like to start at thirty three inches. He was
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  Speaker 1: thirty two and a half. You know, I made this
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  Speaker 1: point in my notes. He kind of reminded me of
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  Speaker 1: Jack Conklin coming out of Michigan State, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: Conklin's a certain kind of tackle and Carmen would be
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  Speaker 1: a certain kind of tackle. But I think, as I said,
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  Speaker 1: with a lot more of the short passing game, the
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  Speaker 1: quick throws, I believe Burrow will be the kind of
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  Speaker 1: quarterback as he develops that can make an offensive line
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  Speaker 1: better because of the way in which he plays. I
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  Speaker 1: think Carmen is a tackle, and I think they I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they drafted him to be a tackle, did they not.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to compete for a starting guard spot as
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  Speaker 1: a rookie, but Riley Reef only signed a one year deal,
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  Speaker 1: so the expectations maybe he plays a year at guard
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  Speaker 1: and then kicks out to tackle. Well, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 1: The thing, one thing that really stood out watching this
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  Speaker 1: kid was a very tenacious playing personality, very competitive, a
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  Speaker 1: little nasty, which you know that always as you know,
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  Speaker 1: plays well on the offensive line room. So I spoke
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  Speaker 1: to former Bengals offensive line coach Paul Alexander, who some time, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he worked with Jackson Carmen to get ready for the draft,
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  Speaker 1: and he told me something you'll find interesting. He said
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  Speaker 1: that thirty two and a half inch measurement was incorrect.
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  Speaker 1: He measured Jackson Carmen, and he said there was another
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  Speaker 1: measurement done independently of him after that thirty two and
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  Speaker 1: a half that was published that says that Jackson Carmen's
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  Speaker 1: arms are actually thirty three and a quarter. So I wonder,
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  Speaker 1: based on your film study, if he looked like a
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  Speaker 1: guy who has better reach than maybe that widely publicized
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  Speaker 1: thirty two and a half length would indicate. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not an offensive line guru. I'll be totally honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean and Paul, I know Paul Alexander, he's see phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what that difference means, Dan, I really don't.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of studies have been done. I know Joe
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  Speaker 1: Banner has done studies. I'm sure all teams do studies
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  Speaker 1: of over the years of if arm length is truly
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  Speaker 1: a factor. I don't. I haven't done those studies. I
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  Speaker 1: don't have that kind of time, you know, to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't work for a team. But so I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the difference ultimately would be between thirty two
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  Speaker 1: and a half and thirty three and a quarter in
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  Speaker 1: terms of your evaluation of the player. You know what
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  Speaker 1: his traits are on tape. I don't think change and
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  Speaker 1: I really like the player on tape, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's a really good run blocker. He's physical,
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  Speaker 1: he's competitive. I thought some of his weaknesses did occur
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  Speaker 1: in pass protection, and there will definitely be some as
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  Speaker 1: you know, that will say, oh, he's a guard for sure,
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  Speaker 1: not even don't even put him a tackle, And who
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  Speaker 1: knows how that'll play out. You know, maybe he starts
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  Speaker 1: at guard and he has a phenomenal year and they
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  Speaker 1: feel like he's a guard. You know, it could work
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  Speaker 1: out that way. Let's move on to the next two
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  Speaker 1: picks in the third round. Joseph Osai from Texas in
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  Speaker 1: the fourth round, Bengals first fourth round Pickcam sample from Tulane.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of defensive lineman slash edge rushers. With both players,
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  Speaker 1: you raved about the intensity that you saw on every snap. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Asai was kind of nuts. I mean, he played
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  Speaker 1: so freaking hard. I think he's got some work to
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  Speaker 1: do to develop as a pass rusher. Don't forget, as
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  Speaker 1: you probably know, the year prior at Texas, he was
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  Speaker 1: a stacked backer. He was an off the ball player,
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  Speaker 1: and he got moved in this past year to basically
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  Speaker 1: being an on the ball outside linebacker. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's got some work to do when you
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  Speaker 1: talk about his ability to rush the quarterback. But if
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  Speaker 1: you want to talk about a guy that plays like
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  Speaker 1: his pants are on fire, I mean this guy. The
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  Speaker 1: first thing you notice is how many plays he makes
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  Speaker 1: just running around, and I mean unbelievable. But he's got
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  Speaker 1: heavy hand ends. I think that's a good start. He's
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  Speaker 1: got a strong body. I just think he needs work.
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  Speaker 1: When you talk about the skill set that's necessary to
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  Speaker 1: rush the quarterback, I think he needs work in the
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  Speaker 1: technique of that because he doesn't have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: experience doing it. You know, every once in a while
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  Speaker 1: you'd see a flash where he showed some good hand usage,
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  Speaker 1: where he showed some mend and ability to corner. But
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  Speaker 1: those are things that need development. But you just love
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  Speaker 1: his playing personality, his relentless competitiveness snap after snap. I
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  Speaker 1: mean a few defensive players I looked at. I probably
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  Speaker 1: looked at overall, not just defensive players, probably two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twenty five guys this year. You know, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: one man scouting service, Dan, so you know I did
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  Speaker 1: about two hundred and twenty five guys. So, but his
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  Speaker 1: his level of intensity just you know, you love watching
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  Speaker 1: the kid play football. I mean, you love to have
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  Speaker 1: those guys because you can teach technique, you can teach
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  Speaker 1: certain things. You it's very, very hard to teach guys
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  Speaker 1: that don't play hard all the time to play hard
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  Speaker 1: all the time. And did you see similar things in
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  Speaker 1: Camp Sample? I loved Cam Sample by the way I mean,
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  Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, he was a guy
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  Speaker 1: I knew nothing about. Touline had two guys. They had
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  Speaker 1: Cam Sample and Patrick Johnson. And Patrick Johnson got drafted late.
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  Speaker 1: I liked him a lot too. I thought he was
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  Speaker 1: better than already got drafted by the Eagles. But but
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  Speaker 1: Cam Sample, I really liked his statement. He grew on
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  Speaker 1: me because Cam Sample is not an explosive, oh my
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  Speaker 1: god kind of player, another guy super competitive as a
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  Speaker 1: pass rusher, just were lentless speed, velocity, not bendy necessarily
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  Speaker 1: you know, or flexible. You know who reminded me of Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: he weighs fifteen twenty pounds less so and that's a factor.
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  Speaker 1: He really reminded me and made me think of Cameron
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  Speaker 1: Jordan of the Saints. I mean, I thought he was
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  Speaker 1: a very similar player stylistically, neither one or not. Guys
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  Speaker 1: who wouldn't necessarily with their first movie. They wint more
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  Speaker 1: with their secondary move they wint with hand placement, They
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't with a feel for leverage and timing and paller.
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  Speaker 1: I really liked camp Sample's game. I mean, to me,
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  Speaker 1: if he was fifteen pounds heavier, he could have been
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  Speaker 1: a top forty pick, you know. And and by the way,
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  Speaker 1: his athletic testing numbers were really really good. All right,
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  Speaker 1: let's wrap up with two more offensive lineman. After selecting
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Carmen, they came back to the old line and
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  Speaker 1: drafted Deante Smith to tackle a lot of ECU and
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  Speaker 1: Trey Hill, a center from Georgia. How about your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on those two guys and their potential to develop. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think Smith is one of those guys. He's a
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  Speaker 1: potential guy because he's he's long, He's got a lean
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  Speaker 1: athletic frame. He does have long arms, if that matters
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  Speaker 1: to me. He's a player you draft based on his
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  Speaker 1: athletic and movement traits with the idea of what you
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  Speaker 1: hope he can become with coaching and experience. I think
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  Speaker 1: his balance was not very good. I think his body
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  Speaker 1: control was not very good. You know, I think overall,
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  Speaker 1: his his fundamental nique needs work. So you draft a guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's got very good traits. The issue will be his
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  Speaker 1: his weight from when I ready played under three hundred.
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  Speaker 1: I guess he got the three oh five on his
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  Speaker 1: pro day. Whether he can play at that time will tell. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: being in an NFL weight room now will be different.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, there were positive signs in his game,
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  Speaker 1: but I think there were also a lot of things where,
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  Speaker 1: if you're an online coaches say hey, we need to
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  Speaker 1: work on that. And then Trey Hill. You know, Trey Hills,
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  Speaker 1: the Georgia kid, obviously played a high level of college football.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of like Trey Hill. You know. Again, centers
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  Speaker 1: are hard, and I'll be the first to admit they're
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  Speaker 1: even They're hard for me to evaluate. But he also
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  Speaker 1: you could see him at guard too. I guess do
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  Speaker 1: they see him at center. I think they see him
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  Speaker 1: at center, but he'll obviously, you know, cross train at
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  Speaker 1: the guard end center spots. Yeah, I mean he played
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  Speaker 1: a strong man's game, Dan, you know, power strength. I
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  Speaker 1: mean there were someone on one blocks in which he
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  Speaker 1: took d tackles to the g and we're talking to
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  Speaker 1: the SEC. I think he's got some movement ability too.
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  Speaker 1: You know again, centers are very hard for me to
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  Speaker 1: understand as to where do they get drafted. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that's one of those positions unless you're just exceptionally special.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how that works how teams see centers,
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  Speaker 1: but I think another guy. You know, they drafted a
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  Speaker 1: lot of guys that really play hard, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: that was a particular thing within the organization that hey,
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  Speaker 1: we want guys with a really really outstanding playing personalities
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  Speaker 1: and relentless competitiveness, and you know, you've always feel you
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  Speaker 1: can teach those guys some technique things, but you really,
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  Speaker 1: you know, playing like that's in a guy's DNA usually,
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  Speaker 1: and the Hill's another guy just like that. We're talking
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  Speaker 1: to Greg Cosell. I've only got you for a couple
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  Speaker 1: more minutes, so let's hit free agency real quickly. The
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  Speaker 1: Bengals were big spenders for the second year in a row.
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  Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, Larry Ogan, Joebi chitabay A Wooze, Mike Hilton,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Eli Apple, Riley Reef, What are your thoughts and some
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: of the guys that the Bengals added. There's a couple
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: of names there, but I love I always loved Mike Hilton.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Loved Mike Hiltons, you know, at his best, a terrific
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: slot corner, and that's what he is. He's a slot corner,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: arguably the best blitzing slot corner in the NFL. But
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: smaller guy, but tough, competitive, physical, will play the run,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: willing to mix it up. Like I said, a great blitzer.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: To me. When I saw they signed Mike Hilton, I
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: thought that was, you know, one of those under the
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: radar guys. No one's gonna say, wow, Mike Hilton's an
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: All Pro or Hall of Famer, but I just think
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: another guy. It just seems to me, and you know,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: you're closer to the organization than I am, but it
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: seems to me they're really trying to build with guys
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: who were super competitive, you know. I mean it goes
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: back to their draft choice. We talked about that, Jamar Chase,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: you know, great example would pick one. That they're trying
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to get guys who just have relentless competitiveness and energy
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: and intensity and you know, it's it's really good to
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: have those guys. I mean, I think Hendrickson is another
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: great example of that. I know, he had ten plus sacks.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: No one would sit here and say, boy, that guy
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: has unbelievable athletic and physical traits. I mean, they're obviously
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: above average, but I think when all said and done,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: you're dealing with a guy that is super intense, super competitive,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: gets a lot of secondary sacks because he, you know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: just doesn't give up. I mean, they seem to be
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: developing a type here. Is that something that you know,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you've talked with people about that has that been a
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: defining mandate within the organization, no question about it, particularly
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: with this year's draft. You know, last year, every player
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: they drafted except for one, was the captain of his
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: college teams. Like last year was the character year, and
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: this year it seems like it's the effort, motor intensity year.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I mean that's you know, you looks every draft pick
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: going to hit. Of course not not. That just doesn't happen,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and we can't sit here and say which ones will
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: or won't. But the point is is a lot of
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: people truly believe that playing with the intensity of a
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: guy like Chase or Joseph Asai or Hendrickson or Mike Hilton.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: You know, talking about the free agents that that can't
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: be taught, that that's in your DNA, and they really
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: have focused on that. And again, there's many reasons why
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: teams win in lose. I mean, obviously, if Joe Burrow
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: is back healthy and becomes a great, great player. Hey,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: the quarterback in this league. We know he drives a
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: lot of things. But you know, they're building a team
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: here of high intensity players and I just think it's
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: a general principle that's a good thing. If I had
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: twenty hours with you instead of twenty minutes, I would
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: use them all. But you've been very generous with your
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: time and you've got a lot of things on your plate,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: so I'll let you go. Thank you so much for
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: doing this. I know my audience loves it. Dan, I
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Thanks for asking me. It's an awesome
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: day when you get to talk football with Greg ko Sell.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Greg was enough to send me his written scouting reports
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: on the six Bengals draft picks he studied this year,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: including Jackson Carmen. He wrote that the Bengal second round
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: draft pick is quote competitive and intense with a little
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: bit of a nasty streak. Jackson helped lead the Clemson
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Tigers to a thirty nine and three record during his career,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: three appearances in the College Football Playoff and a national
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: championship as a freshman. For the last two years, he
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: started every game at left tackle, protecting the blindside of
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: the number one pick in this year's draft, Trevor Lawrence,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and now he's coming home. I talked to the former
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Fairfield High school standout this week. So you were the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Bengal second round draft pick this year. Your Clemson teammate
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: and friend T Higgins was the Bengal second round draft
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: pick last year. And when T was drafted, he surprised
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: some of us by saying that the Bengals were his
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: dream team. We didn't realize that about him, but he's
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a Bengals fan and has been for years because Aj
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Green was his football hero. In your case, was this
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: also the dream scenario for you to get the opportunity
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to play professionally so close to home, Yes, sir, just
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to be able to be close to my family and
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: to be able to be a part of such a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: rich tradition of officsive alignment and to be in such
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a saying unique city in the country. I thought, this
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: is definitely a best case scenarios. I'm super excited to
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: be home. And how about the members of your family,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: They're beyond excited. Words can't explain you know what I mean.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So you have a tie, a good tie to one
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: of the greatest offensive lineman ever to play for the Bengals,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Willie Anderson. You worked extensively with Willie in the run
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: up to the draft. What are some of the most
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: important things you've learned from him and just share a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: little bit about that relationship. Yeah, Willie's been an awesome
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: mentor to me, and we first met at the Nike
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: opening in Beaverton, Oregon when he was coaching there. And
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: just being able to see someone who's been through it
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: all at the highest level and being able to learn
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: from him and pick apart things from his brains has
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: been ultimate blessing. To have someone like that in your corner,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: It really is truly awesome. So I've been able to
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: learn things from just like mentality and professionalism and more
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: so like philosophical things, and also just like technique and
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: work and you know what, I'm saying different things that
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: go in tie In's office, ave line place. So it's
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: been really good to be able to work with coach Willie.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Did you have a strong feeling that the Bengals might
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: draft you? I definitely knew it was a possibility, you
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, from hearing a lot of different
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: teams and also knowing that the Bengals were projected to
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: be needing offensive lineman. It was definitely something that was discussed.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: They made a trade in the second round, going down
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: from thirty eight to forty six. Did that influence you're
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: thinking at all? I definitely didn't know, Like I mean, like,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and say like, oh, I
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: knew everything was gonna be perfect, but like, it was
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: definitely interesting to see, you know what I'm saying, what
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: was going on behind the scenes, and just to think
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: about it. But I'm glad how everything turned out. As
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I mentioned, you blocked for Trevor Lawrence in college. Now
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: you're going to a block for Joe Burrow in the NFL.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: You face Joe in the National Championship Game a couple
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: of years ago. Unfortunately for you, he played out of
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: his mind and uls you won that game, But what
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: were your observations of Joe in the run up to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: that game and during that game and your feelings about
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: him now? And one of my favorite things about watching
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the players being able to see how intelligent they are
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and how they really just like have a feel for
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the game. And when I watched Joe, just knowing just
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: how smart he is really just stands out, and the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: decisions he's able to make and the speed and accuracy
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: that he plays with was really remarkable, and that's something
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: that obviously showed up in our game. So it's been
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: really cool to be able to watch his journey and
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: even more amazing to see how it sall came around
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: full circle. So I'm excited you are expected to come
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: in and compete for a starting spot at guard, immediately
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: making that transition from tackle to guard. I know you
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: played some guard in high school, but what are some
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: of the challenges associated with moving from tackle to guard?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Mostly predominantly just being more so in a three point
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: stands compared to a two point stands because in college
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: about nine my snaps with from a two point stands,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: So just getting more comfortable taking snaps, taking passess out
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: of the three point stands and being more comfortable to that,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and also spitching over to the right side and getting
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: more used to as well. But I think it's gonna
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: be a great transition on the site of her challenge.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: What will you do between now and training camp to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: further prepare yourself for the NFL. I'll definitely be training
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: every day. I'll be working with my coaches, you know
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying here at the Bengals, and also being
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: able to train with guys like Coach Willie and Coach
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Paul and also do many weather of all really help
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: prepare me for the next level. Coach Paul former Bengals
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: offensive line coach Paul Alexander. He told me you worked
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: with him about ten times last year and leading up
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: to the draft. Did you learn anything particularly valuable from Paul?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I think Paul's just like Coach Willie, a legend in
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: his own right, and being able to learn all types
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of things from him as far as is off the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: feeling in on the field, but on the field specifically,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I think he's just really great technique coach. It really
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: helps He's a great teacher. It really helps people understand
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying what exactly they're supposed to be doing
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: so different things in past protection and as far as
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: is like footwork and hand placement, I think he's done
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a great job. The roster has really turned over in
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and there's really an impressive
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: young core now on this Cincinnati roster, yourself included. Do
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you feel like you're kind of getting in on the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: ground floor of something special? Definitely, definitely. I think there's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: definitely something special clicking up here in Cincinnati and just
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: being able to see just all the different way you
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, levels of talent, whether that we're
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: bringing in from all positions, and also just I think
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: it's a really bright future for us. I know you
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: had back surgery in January. What did you have done
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and how are you doing? I played the last five
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: games with twenty twenty season with a herniated disc in
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: my back and I had surgery in January and since
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: then I've done full rehab of rebilitation and training how
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: to pro day and honestly, I feel great. I'm far
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: ahead of where most people are after a surgery like that,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: and honestly, I'm just super excited to be able to
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: get the work. Last question, Gen, you haven't signed your
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: contract yet, so you do not have, you know, that
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: nice signing bonus that I'm sure you're looking forward to.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: But do you have anything in mind for your first
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: big purchase as a professional athlete. I think for my
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: first purchase, Man, probably probably just some skylines. To be
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: honest with you, Man, skyl has been my favorites about
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the Blue Kids, be able to go back there. You
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: get a couple of season Cooney, some sky fires where
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward too. It's a good answer. You don't
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: even have to wait for the signing bonus. If you're
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: watching this skyline, you know the call. The Bengals Booth
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: podcast is presented by bud Light Seltzer. It's light and
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: refreshing with a hint of fruit flavor. On Thursday, the
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Bengals announced the seventeen former players who will make up
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: this year's Ring of Honor ballot. Two players will be
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: voted in by season ticket members and Sweet owners and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: will be added to Hall of Famers Paul Brown and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Anthony Muno's to make up this year's inaugural class. I'm
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: proud to say that one of the seventeen Bengals Grates
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  Speaker 1: on the Ring of Honor ballot is my broadcast partner
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: day lap them, Congratulations, my friend and joining former teammates
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Ken Anderson and Ken Riley and more recent stars like
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Chad Johnson and Willie Anderson on the Ring of Honor ballot.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Can you describe what it means to be on that
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: initial ballot? Humbling is the biggest word. You know. I
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: think about all those players and the first thing I
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: thought about when I saw the list is took me
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: right back to nineteen eighty one. You know, when we
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: had such good success. We had a lot of good
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: players that really jelled and played well together. You know
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: that year eighty one and eighty two we had as
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: many wins as any team in the National Football League.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: You know, we won nineteen games regular season games in
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: those two years with strike shorten. The year was seven
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and two in nineteen eighty two after a twelve and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: fourth season, and you know, it made the Super Bowl
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: run in that nineteen eighty one season, and I mean,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: all the memories of those guys, you know, it's just
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: it just brought back full circle, like tremendous memories. And
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to be on a list with those guys was just
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: humbling to say the least, There's no question about it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: And you know, I just the other thing that it
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: did was is I looked at all the guys on
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the list. It just made me realize how fortunate I
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: am to have played with or covered all of them,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: you know, seeing them all play, it's it really has
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: been a pure joy in that regard to a football junkie,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: you know, to be able to have lived the dream
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that she had as a kid to play in the league,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and then to play, you know, a lengthy time and
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: be on a Super Bowl team, and then getting into
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the broadcast side of it and still be associated with
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the game and see all these great players, and you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: having broadcast a Super Bowl that the team played in.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, those are like all all the things that
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: come flooding back to me when I start looking at
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the list of all these players, not only the seventeen
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: on the ballot, but when the celebration of the fiftieth anniversary,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: when all the guys started coming back and you know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: have reunion time with all these guys, and it's like, man,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: it just it brought you back to you know, quite
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a while ago. Man, it brought you back to your youth.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: There's no question about it was a lot of fun.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: So as a season ticket holder, I'm going to have
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to recuse myself because I would go lap them, lap
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: them with my two picks as your friend and broadcast partners.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: So we are going to put Sam Horde in charge
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: of the Horde family ballot, and he is leaning toward
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Ken and Ken Anderson and Riley, and that makes total sense.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're obviously guys that are on the fringe
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: of and should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: And the two candidates that are in with Paul Brown
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and Anthony Munos are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the two guys that are on the start the ring
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of Honor, so that more than worthy, to say the least.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: And two, you know, the Si hilarities. They played different
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: positions obviously, but so many similarities in terms of you
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: know them as people and not just football players. And
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Kenny Riley was a quarterback himself, you know, in college,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: so he had that he had such an unbelievable quiet
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: swagger to him. You know, he was tremendously confident, but
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: not the least bit cocky and Kenny Anderson the same way.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: The Ken's are special people as well as being special
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: football players. Football I think it is just part of
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: what those guys are though. And you know, Paul Brown,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: it would be proud of a lot of these guys
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: on all these lists because he was all about football
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: is just the beginning of your work life, your work career.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: And he would always say, you know, now you have
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a chance to go to your life's work. When your
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: football career was over, however was over, whether you were
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: cut by everybody, retired, or whatever the case may be,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: and he would call it, you know, it was just
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the beginning of your life's work and you have an
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: opportunity to begin your life's work in a very very
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: positive way. What are you going to do after that?
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: And so many of these guys, you know, reinvented themselves
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and had a good run with their life after football.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I think Paul Brown would be very proud of that
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: as well, no question about it. The Bengals have not
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: announced yet what the plan will be going forward. Will
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: there be four more guys next year, will it be too,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: will it be a player every year going forward? We
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: don't know that yet, but I do know that at
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: some point lap Them sixty two is going to be
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: up on that wall, and that's going to be an
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: awesome site. You know. You think about the fact that
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you know that it's it's going to be up there
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: for your kids to seeing your grandkids and your great grandkids,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: if you're lucky enough to be around for great grandkids whatever.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: That that part of it, you know, starts to starts
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to bog your mind a little bit. Um, you know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the legacy aspect of that kind of thing. Even just
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: to be on the ballot is just stunning, really is.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a stunning situation. It really really makes
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you shake yourself a little bit. Well, it's a well
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: deserved honor and I'm thrilled for you. Thank you. Let's
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: move on to the draft. We've had about a week
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: to reflect on the ten players that the Bengals selected.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: You've had some great conversations about the guys they picked
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: on your podcast, You're in the Trenches podcast, which is awesome.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I have been binging now for a couple of weeks
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and it's great. What are some of your biggest takeaways
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: on this a ten player group. Yeah, I think I
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: think the fact that, Um, they did, you know, stick
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to their guns in terms of how they had their
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: their board rated. I mean you look at it and, um,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: seven guys in the in the pits in the trenches.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: You know, it's, uh, that's that's kind of amazing. One
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: wide receiver for down lineman as such, three offensive lineman,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: place kicker, and the running back. So in the nineteen
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: or the twenty twenty draft, they went three linebackers, you
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: know in that draft. So their board, they stayed true
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to their board. And people might say, oh, you know, well,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: how come they didn't draft the quarterback a cornerback? I
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: should say, why wasn't a cornerback drafted? I'm sure they
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: had every intention of maybe draft in one, but when
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: it got to that point, you know, the board, you're
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: not usually that far off, You're not fifteen picks off
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: in terms of guys. So you know it's the guy
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: goes and you pick another. And they're heavily criticized for
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: taking the place kicker in the fifth round. Well, you know,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: when they made the trade and got the additional two
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: fourth round picks, it made it easier to do that.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Darren Simmons knew he had to maybe pick around higher.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: He said that. So if there was one draftable kicker
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: in the draft and everybody had him pegged to the
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: sixth rounder, go ahead and get him in the fifth.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Is there a mindset and make sure you get them
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and a guy that's going to put points in the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: board for you and all that sort of thing. And always,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: because Dan, we've been around each other for the draft
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: many years now, how many times have we heard the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: team say we had him as a fourth round guy,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: We get him in the fifth. We had him as
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: a fifth round guy, get him in the sixth. Who knows?
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe they had Hill and the kicker in the same
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: type of value and they got both because he'll makes
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: it to the sixth round, right, you know, the center
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: guard that could have been the case or could have
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: been the kicker, and somebody else that they got whenever
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: in the draft. So everybody's board is different. But all
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: you can do is trust the way you were value it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: You put a lot of time and spend a lot
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: of resources in doing that, So why not live by
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: your board? And that's what they've done. I asked somebody
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: from the front office the following question, how many times
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: when you were on the clock, or actually, how many
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: times when you were almost on the clock did somebody
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: get picked one or two spots ahead of you that
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you were that was going to be your guy? And
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: he said that happened a couple of times. I mean,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: that's the way it goes. And then you instantaneously move
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: on to the next guy in the list exactly. And
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: that's why when they traded down, they said, you know,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: here's guys that we feel comfortable with. They started to go,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you know a lot of those guys that
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: they were in that range, but they you never trade
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: down more spots than you feel you have a comfort
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: level of players, not just at one position, I mean,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: but as a community on that draft board, all the
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: position groups you have to have if you're going to
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: trade down, you know, five spots, you have to have
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: five players because they could all go. I mean, look
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: at the run that happened on edge rushers at the
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: end of the first round, four out of five picks.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Look at the run an offensive lineman. When they traded down,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: you know, people are like, oh, they're all the offensive
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: line prospects are going. They felt good about the one
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: that they got, felt like he might be there, they
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: would feel good about him, and probably another one or two,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and whichever one was there, I'm good with that, plus
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the fact that I can double down in the fourth round,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: you know, with my offensive or defensive line. And it
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: worked out for him. It worked out exactly the way
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: they had hoped. Yeah, had Jackson Carmen been selected in
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: that interim period between thirty eight and forty six, Sam
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: cos maybe was still on the board. Dylan Raidens was
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: still on the board, so there was still some highly
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: rated offensive linemen that they could have pivoted to if
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: they lost the guy they really wanted. You're right, and
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you know, with Tevin Jenkins, I like him. I think
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: he's a good football player. I think he's gonna have
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: a good career. I think he's nasty. I think he's physical,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: but athletically, I think that Jackson Carmen is a better athlete.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I think I think Jenkins started to slide a little
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: bit based on maybe that not slide. I mean a
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: lot of people had him. I didn't think he'd be either.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I thought he'd be a first round pick, and for
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: him to have been there, it was like wow, you
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: know so, but a lot of these linemen that I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: talked to people around the league about that I can
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: trust with respect offensive line evaluation. They were like, is
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: so and so going to be there at thirty eight?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Cross your fingers and hope? So how about this guy?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: How about that guy? So they were all in that
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: category and there was a handful. So they felt comfortable
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: enough to move back spots where they felt like there
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: was going to be one their form and then pick
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: up the two fourths, I mean, getting two of those
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: fourth round picks when they liked they had three of
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: four prospects, and they got three of them in that
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: fourth round. They had four prospects identified that they'd really
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: like to have left the draft with and they walk
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: out with three. That's pretty darnstrong. Do you know who
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: the fourth was? Do you? I don't. I don't either.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: You've got an impish grins. I don't know if you're
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: telling me the truth. In any case, I pointed the
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: LAP signal into the nighttime sky above Paul Brown Stadium
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: this week, and that means we've got asked lap questions
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: that were submitted via Twitter. Let's start with this question
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: from Dale, who's the starting offensive line in Week one? Yeah,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: that's a great question, you know. I think obviously they
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: say that they're gonna put Jackson Carmen in there at
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the right guard position. They've slotted him for that. Trey
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Hopkins is how how good is that acl going to
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: be in week one? Will he be able to line
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: up and play right away in the first week if
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: he's healthy. I think he does so at the right
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: offensive tackle position. Riley Reef is going to be penciled
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: in there, Jonah Williams at left tackle, and I think
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: that either a Chemo Dentagy or Xavier suea Filo are
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: my two possibilities at the at the left guard position
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: over Clintin Spain. I think Quintin he's he's in the mix.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: He's in the mix as well. You know. Sue Philo
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: is an interesting guy. Watch him and it's it's like
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: he's very smart. Uh, he's he's It's it's weird. I
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: could see him getting released or I could or I
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: could see him being the guy because physically I watch
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: him and it's like he looks like he's in pain,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you know, with his movement and that that's a concern.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Um So, yeah, I mean Quentin Spain's in that mix.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I think that left guard position is you know, is
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: going to be the interesting one to watch because it's
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: going to be a battle Royale. As Michael Jordan, a
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: chemodenagy Uh Sue Philo might be in the mix there,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Quentin Spain might be in the mix there. UM know
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: that that one, that one could be I think the
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: most interesting of all the spots. I do hope that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: that Frank Pollock works with Jonah Williams on keeping the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: width of the pocket. Jonah is a is a fantastic
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: athlete and he can widen the pocket. He has a
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: habit of taking his set a little bit too vertical
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: and turning and given a soft edge and shrinking the
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: width of the pocket. So if he can somehow work
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: with him on widening the tackles responsibilities to keep the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: pocket wide, the center and guards responsibilities to keep the
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: pocket deep. So if that's that's what Jonah really needs
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: to work on, and it's gonna I think it's gonna
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: be a battle royal. Though you look at the guys
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: that they drafted there, they're going to be thrown into
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: mix and compete. Um Identagy I think is going to
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: be in the in the competition, Billy Preisle being in
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the interior. I mean, it's it's uh. They They've got
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: plenty of bodies. It's not like they're short of bodies.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Fred Johnson is still out there on the edge competing,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and he's he's played some guard. The thing is too,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: that the position versatility aspect of it. So many guys
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: can play more than one position, So it could be
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: that the spots that they line up initially to start
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: training camp, they don't end up at to start the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: start the regular season. I think Frank Pollock is the
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: kind of guy I'm putting my five best out there.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: It's going to be open season guys, open competition. But yeah,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I think Sue Philo, I think is going to be
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: a huge X factor. Like I said, I could see
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: him maybe getting snaps or maybe not even making the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: team and everything in between. It's he's going to be
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: an interesting guy to watch. The next question comes from
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Steve Oh. What position might the Bengal still targeting free agency?
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: You know, you think that I was thinking at some
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: point they would draft a corner, you know, And I
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: don't know what they're how happy they are with the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: college free agents that they've signed at some of these positions,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: but if there's a veteran corner out there that lowers
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: his price tag. And June first is another big date
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: because you know, that's the new cap year, so everybody's
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: salary cap changes after June first. That's why you hear
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, oh well, you know, the
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers thing will heat up and after June first,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: such and sexual heat up after June first, because it's
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: a whole new fiscal year as such. So if the
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Bengals are really serious about somebody, you know, it'd be
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: good to be able to get it done before June first,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: when there's more teams in the bidding process, more teams
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: in the party. So if they do have somebody identified,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see them, you know, try to get
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: it done in a timely fashion. The other part of
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: it is, I do think that their biggest priority right
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: now Bates and Hubbard. You know, they want to make
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: sure that they've got money set aside to extend those guys.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: They don't want them going into the last year of
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: their contract and then playing lights out and it's like
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: she's now, we can't afford them, you know, they have
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a habit of extending, So in my mind, I think
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: the first thing they always think of is take care
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: of the Rome that have performed for them. So I
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: think priority number one will be the extension of one
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: or two of those guys, potentially before signing other guys
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: free agents. That's a great point. I think that's one
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: of the reasons why sometimes people look at the Bengal
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: salary cap situation and say, boy, they still have plenty
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: of money left, why aren't they spending it on somebody? Well,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: they do. They just wait until training camp is just
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: about over and then extend their own guys to put
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: some of that signing bonus toward that year's cap, which
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: is a very smart way of doing business. As for
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: positions that they might still sign somebody at this year,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I think they could still use a veteran linebacker. I
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: think we talked in a previous podcast about the notion
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: of bringing Josh Binds back. Maybe that happens. Maybe I
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: don't know, Quan Alexander's still out there, somebody like that,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: but I think they could still use a vet at
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: that position. Group. I agree with you, Dan, you know,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I think that I think the young linebackers have all
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: shown that they're capable, but they're still still green. You know,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: they're still developed. And year one to year two is
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: a is a real big development year. There's no question
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: about that. I mean, in terms of I shouldn't stay development,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I should say, you know, you start to understand the game,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: the game slows down, you see things you know more
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: differently than you did as a as a rookie player.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: But still there's there's nothing better than having a veteran
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: presence at any position group when it hits the fan
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: because those guys have been there, done that, They've seen it,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: they know how to attack it. You know, what do
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: we have to do to solve this problem that that
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: kind of experience on game day I think is very invaluable.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: All Right, the next question I'm going to combine to
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Rob asked, are you expecting a winning record this season?
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Roar Sports Media asks what's a reasonable number of wins
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to expect if the Bengals stay reasonably healthy. You know,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: you look at the division. Everybody's shooting the horn for
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Cleveland as a Super Bowl contender, and uh, you know,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Barry has done a tremendous job up there. There's no question.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: He's he's really got himself a coach that he feels
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: comfortable with, and I think has done a pretty darn
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: good job in the draft and free agency the last
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: couple of years. So that that organization, you know, had
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: high picks for such a long period of time, was
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: a matter of time before you start to hit on
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: some of them. And I think they started to do that,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: and they've They've got the right mix of talent and coaching,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I think, to bring themselves to another level. So I
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: think with good reason, they're highly regarded. And we know
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: what Baltimore is like in Pittsburgh with Ben you know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I mean Pittsburgh's Pittsburgh. They've never had a losing season
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: with Mike Tomlin as the head coach. Never, So division's tough.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you go two and four in
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: the division, you may have played some pretty good football,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: and you know, your two games under five hundred just
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: from the division alone. So I mean, if they if
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: they create to the five hundred mark, I mean, if
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: they are if they're an eight and eight football team,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: yeah that's right, eight and nine, yeah, yeah, So if
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: they if they creep toward that, that type of scenario. Um,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: you know, I could see, I could see some some
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: reason to have optimism, particularly if they're in every game
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: you know, they avoid getting torched. You know, you should
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: be beyond the point of having somebody put up over
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: five hundred yards on you and forty points and you know,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: not being able to get anything done offensively and not
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: score a touchdown. You know, those games, those days should
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: be long gone. So um, you know you can you
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: can see that they'll there should be vast improvement and
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: it should dictate in the record. I mean, you know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: eight wins is doubling their win total from last year.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: They went from two to four, go four to eight,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and then you know, pretty soon you're climbing that ladder
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: of success. But the division's tough. I mean, it's it's
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: as tough a division as there is in football. So
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: it's it's no easy task too. If they could go
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: five hundred in the division, three and three in the division,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: that would be a great sign. That would be a
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: great sign that they're, you know, they're starting to get
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: what they need to get because that AFC North can
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: be a battle on a week to week basis. Yeah,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you nailed it all three of those teams made the
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: playoffs last year, so it's very hard to come away
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: with a great record within your own division. In the
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: AFC North, based on opponents record last year, the Bengals
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: have the sixth toughest schedule in the NFL, and the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: AFC North is a big part of that. Their opponents
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: this coming year went one forty four and one twenty
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: eight last year. And in addition to the AFC North,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you throw in one of the Super Bowl teams, Kansas City,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: you throw in the team that hosted the NFC Championship game,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Green Bay. That's eight games. That's nearly half year schedule.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: So I do think a winning record or a game
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: under five hundred now that it's a seventeen game schedule
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: would be a good target for this next season. And
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: then the following year is when you try to get
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: hope to be back into playoff contention. All right, next
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: question from Greg, who's the Bengals' biggest steal in this
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: year's draft? You know, that's that one's going to be
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: interesting because until you get these guys here and start,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: you know, working them out and seeing what they really are.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: But I've got I've got a feeling about this wired
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Huber guy, you know, I mean I think that this
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: kid is I think he's got he's got something to him.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Thirty four tackles to lost, twenty twenty quarterback sacks and
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: they let him, you know, go up and down the
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage an attack on his own. I mean,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: if they get fifteen snaps a game as an edge
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: rush in some way, shape or form from this guy,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: and special teams snaps as well, that's great value for
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: a seventh round pick, you know. So, I mean I
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: think when I look at but I think, boy, potentially
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: there's a guy that could that could really give them
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: a lot more than most seventh round picks would be
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: given their football team. I also look at Trey Hill
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and I think, all right, he may not if Trey
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Hopkins is not available at the center position. What if
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: this kid shows that he's capable, or if he shows
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: that he can compete a guard, he may be another
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: candidate to play left guard. Like I think he's as
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: a sixth round guy, I think there's some some vast
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: potential there. I think Deante Smith is more of a
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: developmental guy, you know. I think other guys, you know,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: like Sample and Shelvin. I mean, they've got they've already
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: got roles identified for those guys. I think, and some
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: of these other guys are like, don't don't exactly know,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you know, what they're going to be able to give us,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: But if they can give us these kind of things, wow,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: that would be pretty exciting. I'm gonna say, Joseph Osi,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: now he's a third round draft picks. It's hard to
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: really look at a guy taking that high as a
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: steel but just based on where he was generally rated
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: in comparison to where the Bengals got him. The Athletics
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: consensus board where they took like fifty big boards and
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: then came up with a number had him as forty
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: two overall. That would be the tenth pick in the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: second round. The Bengals got him with a fifth pick
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: of the third round, so that's basically an entire round
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: after where he was rated, right, And I think, I mean,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I think they have big plans for him, and I
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: think he's going to live up to those plans. Sometimes guys,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, runs on positions are made, you know,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: like and the run was made before your value came up,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden another run's not made
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: until Wow, you should have gone sooner, but you didn't
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: go when that first run happened, and you were one
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: of the first guys left. But other positions right, and
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: then you your position came up again. And that's how
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: guys end up sliding around. And it's not it's not.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with their ability and their talents.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: It's just you know, mathematics, nature of the board, the
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: nature of needs, the nature of what teams are, how
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: they've stacked their boards or whatever. But yeah, I mean
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: this this guy, he's got the fastest ten yard time
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: in the draft, you know from the edge guys. That's
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: that's some explosiveness right there. And I do think he's
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: he's slightly stiff in his hips a little bit, you know,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: but I think, man, he's and he's a guy like
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: has been talked about. You've mentioned it more than one
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: s Dan Effort, you know, play with your hair and
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: fire man. He's one of those guys. And he's he
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: might be nubro Uno in terms of those guys. And
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: that's that's another reason I like, uh, you know, I
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: like this this kid why Hubert in the seventh round,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: He's he's like that. You know, they they give him
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: a comp of Hendrickson the same type of dimensions body
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: type wise in the way they play and um, there's
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with effort, guys. And in football in general
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and particularly THEFC North, you have to run the ball
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: and have some sort of a running games monica so
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: you can throw it, and then defensively you have to
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: stop the run to have the right to rush the passer.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: They only had seventeen sacks. Why because they were sieve
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: and the run. You know, you have to stop the
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: run and and generate the right to rush the passion.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: And they should have a lot more weapons on the
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: edge to be able to rush the pastor this year.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: The next two questions are similar. Jordan asks, what's the
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: difference between Frank Pollock and Jim Turner's techniques and teaching style?
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: MT asks our offensive line positions the easiest to coach up,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: not that it's easy, but where coaching can make a
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: world of difference. Yeah, I think I think coaching can
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: make a world of difference in the offensive line, and
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I think implementation of techniques are big and I think
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: that Frank Pollock, having played nine years in the league
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: understands that everybody type is different. Some guys are high waisted,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: short arms. Some guys are, you know, long arms and
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: not much of an upper body but have long legs.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Some guys don't have any length of their legs. But
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's and it's everything in between. And
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: you know, the magic number is thirty three in terms
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: of arm length to play tackle. While there are tackles
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: they're in the Hall of Fame that don't have thirty
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: inch arm length, and some of them, your arms didn't
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: make any difference because you had to put your fists
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: in your chest and you couldn't use your hands or
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: your arms, so it didn't matter how long your arms
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: were back then. But now that you're able to extend
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: your hands and you know, attack people that way, arm
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: length is a big deal. But a lot of these
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: guys overcome short arms with unbelievable feet because they're in
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: a phone booth because their arms are shorter, so they're
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: going to be guys are going to get into them
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: as such. And now you're you're in a war in
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: a phone booth and you're battling, and who's got feet
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: to stay balanced, Who's who's on the ground who's not
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: on the ground, So you're a lot of these guys
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: get to this level and have overcome their short arms
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: because of their excellent feet. Sometimes it's vice verse. The
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: guy didn't have great feet, looks like his feet are
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: in concrete. You've got thirty five inch arms, so he
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: can recover with his arms and then his feet come.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: The guys with the short arms were covered with their
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: feet and then their arms come. It's so you make
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: up for your deficiencies. And and I think Frank pollits
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: techniques and his implementation of them, his understand He has
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: an acute understanding of not everybody's the same because he
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: played nine years in the league and he saw different
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: kinds of body parts and types and all that. So
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: it's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna suggest this this work
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: for this guy who's built similar to you. So I'm
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: not going to make you do a technique just because
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I think this is the way it's got to be done.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to mollify, modify, adjust what i'm
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: doing to work with your body. And I think that's
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: where Frank has a very good understanding, and I think
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: that's where the players are going to respond to him
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: big time with that. What was your wingspan coming out
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: of Syracuse in the seventy four NFL draft. That's a
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: good question. They didn't, they didn't do that stuff. It
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: was it's it's it's so when I think back, I mean,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: my gosh, man, the Senior Bowl was there were there
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: were owners, there, there were head coaches, there, there are gms, there,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: there are line When we did one on one pass rush,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: it was like I'm looking at it's who's who the
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: NFL it was because there was you know, there was nothing,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: there was no it there were no cell phones, there
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: wasn't there wasn't anything. It was it was crazy and
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, they I never really remember getting my wingspan
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: measured as such. It's a good question. You look like
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: about a thirty three and three quarter got of me.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Next question comes from Adam. How improved should the defensive
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: line be this year? You know, when you look at it,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: it should be you know, you've you've added you've added
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: much more talent. You know, let's face it. The guys
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: that they were rolling in there at the end of
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: the season, they literally got off the street and there
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: are effort guys. I'm not saying that they weren't, you know,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: just punching o'clock and just getting through. They were given
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: everything they've got, but you know, they just they just
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: weren't uh NFL starting caliber players in some cases that
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: they were thrown out there and they got they got
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: taken advantage of in some cases as well. So you
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: look at the depth and what they what they've done
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and uh and created creating that depth, they should be
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: much better defensively. I mean, DJ Reader, hopefully we'll have
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: a full season. Um Ogland. Joeby is going to be
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: a factor. Obviously, Trey Hendrickson's going to be a factor,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: There's no question about that. And then what they did
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: in the draft, you know, getting four guys, there's there's
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: seven players right there. How many of they're gonna keep?
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Are they going to keep nine? We're gonna keep ten? Um.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: You know, you've got you other guys that uh you
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: know that were injured during the course of the season,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: that that didn't didn't finish, uh finished the year. UM Wren,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: you know, Wren has got some evential Wren he went
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: down early with a tell attendon issue. I mean that
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: that's those type of injuries or severe. Obviously, Daniels is
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: still out there and they brought him back to Cincinnati
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: and uh and got him, you know, taking care of
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: So there's some depth there. Gino's still out there. You
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: look at the list, he's kind of down in terms
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: of the veterans that are still out there in free agency,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: and a lot of that is he probably still wants
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: too much money, so you know, there's there's things that
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: it can be tweaked, but there's no doubt in my
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: mind that I think on a snap by snap basis,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: they'll be putting a much better product out there as
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: a whole from a defensive line perspective than they did
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: last year. I mean, DJ Reader and Larry Ogan Jobi
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: is such a huge upgrade over what they wound up
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: having to play a defensive tackle for most of the year,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and God love Gino for trying. I have so much
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: admiration for him for gutting it out with that bad
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: shoulder injury, but unfortunately, playing one armed, he was completely
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: ineffective and it was hard to watch. It was I mean,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: they they they struggled, and you know, you look at
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: uh Um, you look at guys like Xavier Williams and
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Christian Covington, and they gave everything, everything they had, but
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: you know it just wasn't just wasn't quite quite enough.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: You know. Freedom. However, you're taking mullin doon. There you go. Freedom.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Uh but you know Tupa, you know, with with him
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: coming back after opting out last year, that that's another
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: big body guy. Why body guy that they could have
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: used last year a big time. Uh. They they've got
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: some space eaters. There's there's absolutely no question about it.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm very interested in seeing Tyler Shelvin um how
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: that guy will impact it. I think I think he's
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna give them a lot of quality snaps.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be tougher to run on this
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: football team. Uh, inside between the tackles. And it was
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: last year, last year it was open season. This year,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I think you need a hunting license. We'll see. The
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: next question comes from Dustin. Do you see a scenario
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: in which rookie running back Chris Evans gets a lot
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: of plays in the slot. It seems like we are
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: somewhat light in depth in the wide receiver room. Yeah,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, depending on what kind of uh you know, availability,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: he'll be on game day. Um, will he be able
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: to get in the mix on special teams? Will he
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: be active? Will he be deactivated? Will he be a
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: practice squad guy? There's no telling. I mean, just because
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: a guy gets drafted doesn't necessarily mean oh, his role
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: is going to be this. You have to go out
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and earn that role. But they're going to give him
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: every opportunity, I think, And you know, when you look
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: at it, they've got one of the best slot receivers
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: in you know, in all of football, and Tyler Boyd
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: there's no question about that. But you know, Alex Erickson
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: is gone. Alex Erikson's now at Houston Texan. You know,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Mike Thomas can can give you a little bit of both.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: He can give you, you know, some some versatility there.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: It's not beyond the realm, a possibility that if you
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: go if you have a situation where you can say, Okay,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: you have a guy that you can line up as
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: a running back or as a slot receiver, what are
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: you gonna do. You're gonna play base, You're gonna play Nicol.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: How you're going to match up? Nick could play with
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: him that way? Did it with Givanni Bernard Giravanni Bernard
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of times lined up as the widest receiver slot,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: and you know, all indications are that, you know, they
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: can do the same same type of thing, you know
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: with Chris Evans, so versatility is key. I think he's
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: got that versatility. He was the best player available on
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: their board in their estimation, so they went with him.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: So they like him enough to, you know, to make
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: him a Cincinnati Bengal in the sixth round. I'm sure
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: they have plans for him. Nate asks, other than the
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: oh line, what position groups are the biggest question marks? Well,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: you know, going into the draft, the biggest question marks
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: were offensive line, defensive line, wide receiver. Nay addressed them
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive line more so than wide receiver. They
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: draft one wide receiver, and you know, free agency is
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: still being being taken care of college free agents. You know,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure that they feel like they got
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: any help there that's going to be consequential. But I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: still think that just because you draft those you can't
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: say until you actually have them out there. You've got presents.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Draft Day was Christmas Eve and Santa Claus came and
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: the presents would delivered. You know, and now when they
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: go to mini camp, when they have the rookie Minicamp
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: for the first time, the coaches would be able to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: unwrap the present, actually get their hands on guys. See,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: guys say what I saw on tape? Is that projecting
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: to what I'm seeing right up here, up close and
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: personal with this guy? Yeah it is, or she's really
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: it's not can he do the things that we're hoping
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: he can do? Until you go through that, and then
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: that's just the step of it. Then you have to
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: put pads on and start to hit. And a lot
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: of guys look like Tarzan, you know, in shorts and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: T shirts, and they put pads and helmets on. They
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: play like Jane. So you know, you have to go
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: through the entire evaluation process before you even start to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: think I've addressed some of these spots. It's like when
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: these grades are given after a draft, how the hell
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: do you know? You don't know for two or three years.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: You know, on a lot of guys. Some guys you'll
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: find out right away, but other guys need development. Other
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: guys you know just oh it didn't work out. They
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: couldn't make the transition from what they were doing in
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: college to what we were asking to do in the NFL.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe another team they can transition easier to. So it's
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: it's that cracks me up when they do these letter grades,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: like it's this one's cookie cutter, cut and dry it.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: But that's what makes the draft great, that's what makes
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: the NFL great, That's what makes all the conversation great.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: But it's double edged sword because scouts, coaches, all these
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: people like, you know, my job hangs in the balance
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: with some of this stuff, you know, and I don't.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I don't even know right now. I have to go
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: through my whole process. I went through the draft process.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Now I have to go through the process of seeing
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: what I have and developing them from that point forward.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: And it's a it's not an overnight process where you're
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: going to get a letter gae letter grade the day
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: after the draft. The grades are completely worthless. But I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: check out everyone. I can't help myself. I think the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: biggest question mark now is cornerback. They've got a ton
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: of talent, but Terius Phillips is basically the only guy
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: that's played in a Bengal's uniform, So Trey Wayne's should
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: obey a woogie Eli Apple, Mike Hilton. Again, that's that's
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: a good talent base that they've built up. Now they've
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: got to introduce each each of them to each other,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: no no doubt. I mean probably at the very beginning
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: of training camp, going have to tape with name on
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: their helmets, you know, the strip of tape to identify
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: themselves to each other. It is, it's it's a it's
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: a crazy scenario. But yeah, when you look at it,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: raw talent, raw potential, and a lot of it is
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: proven already NFL in game, proven player. But sometimes, I mean,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I know I experienced that you go from one team
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: to another, even when coaches come in, it's a whole
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: new you know, whole new day. I mean, what you
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: did in the past really doesn't matter. New system, new
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: set of eyes, evaluating on all that. And then when
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: you go from one franchise to another, man it's it's
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a big difference. It doesn't happen just
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: with the snap of a finger. So and I fully
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: expect that it will, but not overnight. But these guys,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: they have to learn each other's you know, strengths and weaknesses.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: When you start to play well as an offensive line.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: You know exactly what that guy next to you can
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: and can't do, so you don't make a call to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: maybe put him in a situation where that's dicey if
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: we can execute that. And then if you line up
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: in a certain defensive front, lines up a certain way,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: or they have a certain skill player in that, you know,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: the make a call that help that situation and that
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't need help. What call do I make to help
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: the situation that needs help. All those kind of things
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: aren't just done overnight. It takes it takes some time.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: But I think that I think that they've got they
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: have on the hoof, you know, meat on the hoof.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: They have that they do have some talent there to
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: work with. I mean, they got a bunch of clay
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: that can be molded by talented artists. We'll see him.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: The last ask lap question comes from Tom. Do you
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: see cam Sample as an inside or an outside guy?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: I see him more so as an outside guy with
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: the ability to kick down inside and give pass rush inside.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: But I see him as a as a you know,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: but he can, I mean, he can line it. He's
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: big enough to line up inside and give you snaps.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: But I see him as a as an edge guy
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: that can you know, set an edge in that running
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: game and pass rush as a as a defensive end.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: But you know, also if you want to go with
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: your NASCAR package and have quicker guys that he can
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: kick down inside and pass rush at defensive tackle. But
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of the beauty of sample, is
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: that position versatility. He can do either for you. And
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: it's not like he can't go in there and play
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle defending the run as a three technique either.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: But I think I think I'd like to see him
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: on the edge more so. He's a talented kid. Thank
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: you to everybody who's submitted ask lap questions. And Happy
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Mother's Day to Lynn and Sarah. I appreciate that very much.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: And Happy Mother's Day to Peg. You got a good
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: celebration plan we do. We're gonna all it's gonna be
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: just a massive get together. It's gonna be you know, grant, grandkids, cousins,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: big family day. It'll be a lot of fun, lots
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: of food, probably too much food, No such thing, Yeah,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: no such thing really really and maybe by the end
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: of the day, too much adult beverage. Who knows. That's
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: going to do it. For this episode of the Bengals
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