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Dalton Clark, the a Story of Betrayal and False Allegation of Domestic Violence | Fireside Chat 272 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you
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  Speaker 1: may be. Welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian and this is the Fireside Chat and today
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  Speaker 1: we have a special guest. You guys know that we've
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  Speaker 1: been doing a bit of a recurring series of discussions
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  Speaker 1: and interviews with say like service members that have been
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  Speaker 1: run through the kangaroo courts of the legal system, as
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  Speaker 1: it were. And this is all thanks to the great
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  Speaker 1: work done by Arvis Owens who has been helping us
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  Speaker 1: out with that and helping you get people to tell
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  Speaker 1: their stories. And today we have one such guests, Dalton Clark.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know much about it. I like to
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  Speaker 1: go into these things blind so that you get like
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  Speaker 1: a pretty organic reaction from me. So I want to
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  Speaker 1: welcome Dalton Clark and his father to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome. How are you guys doing.
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  Speaker 3: We're doing good.
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  Speaker 2: That's good, all right?
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, so I guess like we should probably just
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  Speaker 1: get into your story, so can you guys, And you
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  Speaker 1: you know, feel feel free to jump in whenever you
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  Speaker 1: know you want to say something or or if you
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  Speaker 1: want to correct me, that's fine too. But yeah, tell
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  Speaker 1: us a little bit about First of all, you know
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  Speaker 1: who you are, what you guys do, what what you
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  Speaker 1: do specifically, and and what your story is.
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  Speaker 3: So my name is Dalton Clark. I was a lieutenant
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  Speaker 3: in the Army in the ordnance. I currently am a taxidermist.
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  Speaker 4: I'm I am Travis Clark, retired lieutenant colonel. I kind
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  Speaker 4: of do whatever I want to do these days.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like a you guys are, It's like a
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  Speaker 1: military family.
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  Speaker 4: My middle story was in we got like fourteen people
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  Speaker 4: that are either in retired or currently serve in our family,
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  Speaker 4: immediate first and second cousins.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, Well, firstly, thank you for your service. I really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. And yeah, that's very that's very cool to hear.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess then this is probably is this strange
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  Speaker 1: to learn about, like what's happening with your son?
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  Speaker 4: It's not strange now. It was strange coming into the
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  Speaker 4: military thirty four years the military. My last three or
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  Speaker 4: four years I've seen for the military was wrongfully sending
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  Speaker 4: soldiers through a stressful situation twice. The first thing I
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  Speaker 4: saw was the army will take you through the courts
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  Speaker 4: and if you're found not guilty, the Army will send
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  Speaker 4: you to a second set of courts called separation boards,
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  Speaker 4: that are pretty much made up of a three person
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  Speaker 4: panel and two lawyers doing the same thing that they
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  Speaker 4: did in a criminal court to find somebody guilty, but
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  Speaker 4: the guilty was to separate reasons for separation. And but
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  Speaker 4: the soldier had to go through this same stressful situation
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  Speaker 4: even though he's not facing he's not facing jail, but
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  Speaker 4: he's facing separation with a disarmable discharge, which is pretty
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  Speaker 4: bad in the outside world.
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  Speaker 3: You're double tapping.
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  Speaker 4: And what I saw it was for was nothing more
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  Speaker 4: than practice for the lawyers in the u CMJ arena,
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  Speaker 4: which I found disheartening, disgusting.
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  Speaker 3: That they would do soldiers this way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that does it?
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  Speaker 1: Does it match your like your own personal history with
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  Speaker 1: the military, Like is this like a thing that you
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  Speaker 1: think is sort of novel like this or like a trend.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's normal.
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  Speaker 4: It You don't know it's normal until you're wrapped into that.
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  Speaker 4: I was the president of fourteen separation boards. Once I
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  Speaker 4: reached lieutenant colonel and colonel level, I didn't see you
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  Speaker 4: this until I got to that level, which once once
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  Speaker 4: I saw it was eye opening. It was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: my gosh, they're doing this to soldiers and on the
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  Speaker 4: actaditty world on regular military post. Because I was not
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  Speaker 4: on a regular military post. I was a small post
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  Speaker 4: in Wisconsin. But on a regular military post, it's worse
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  Speaker 4: because if you're separated, if you're on a president of
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  Speaker 4: separation board, your commander's watching you. Your commander's putting pressure
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  Speaker 4: on you to kick people out because it looks good
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  Speaker 4: for you and your promotion, which is also disgusting in
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  Speaker 4: the military.
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  Speaker 3: It's and that's what that's what I found out when
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  Speaker 3: I was going through my flag.
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, let's let's hear your story, Dalton. I want
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  Speaker 1: to know, uh, basically, like you know a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about what like what you're growing up and and how
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  Speaker 1: you got into the military, what that was like early on,
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll get into like what you know, the
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  Speaker 1: actual incident.
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  Speaker 2: That you know you're we're basically that brings us here.
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  Speaker 3: So okay. So, so a military kid moved around quite
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  Speaker 3: a bit. I was an eagle scout. I saw what
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  Speaker 3: we had growing up and then moving around and kind
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  Speaker 3: of the diverse things that we I guess grew up with.
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  Speaker 3: It kind of pushed me towards the Army showed me
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  Speaker 3: that there was a good foundation, good chance of moving
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  Speaker 3: around seeing different stuff, and and just a good stable job.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I saw with my father grow rolling around
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  Speaker 3: being in the army. So I went to college to
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  Speaker 3: wrestle in the Big ten, got a scholarships go do that,
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  Speaker 3: and then I did an on nine Romeo, which is
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  Speaker 3: an officer candidate with r OTC. So I did a
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  Speaker 3: split up. I took a summer instead of wrestling with
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  Speaker 3: the university and went to boot camp and becoming enlisted.
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  Speaker 2: And this is something you wanted to do, like you like?
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  Speaker 1: This was sort of like in line with you know,
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  Speaker 1: your your personal goals.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it was. I know a lot of wrestlers will
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  Speaker 3: go into the Army because it kind of fits that
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  Speaker 3: type of lifestyle, especially if you go to like the
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  Speaker 3: infantry or try to go to special Forces or rangers
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  Speaker 3: or things of that nature. That was kind of my
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  Speaker 3: goal until I got to RTC and then we had
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  Speaker 3: some green and Gold guys in the program and say
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  Speaker 3: it's all who when you're twenty, but when you turn
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  Speaker 3: thirty and forty, it's no longer WHO. It's no more fun. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: your knees, your back getting pissed on with the rain
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  Speaker 3: hoo ches. He's like, it's no fun anymore. So it's
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  Speaker 3: like he just that that older gentleman pretty much told me,
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  Speaker 3: think about what you want towards the future. Look at
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  Speaker 3: a core that can set you up where it's not
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  Speaker 3: going to burn you out. And that's why I chose logistics.
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  Speaker 3: I knew army they can help me get understanding the logistics.
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  Speaker 3: And when I get outside in the civilian world, they said,
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  Speaker 3: it's a sixth.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I think I lost them guys. Yeah, they dropped out.
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  Speaker 1: I'll uh, they'll probably try and come right back, we hopefully,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll send them a text right now, sorry about that.
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  Speaker 1: These things happen. It's the Internet, you know. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: there they are.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, there we go.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay, it's okay. These things happen.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So you're talking about logistics, apologize you're back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was kind of the route that I
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  Speaker 3: had chose. So I met my ex wife when I
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  Speaker 3: was in college, I think I was a junior. Spent
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  Speaker 3: a lot of time with her and everything was fine.
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  Speaker 3: It seemed like it seemed like she was being helpful
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  Speaker 3: and kind of like a girlfriend should she had her moments.
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  Speaker 3: I actually had some like growing up to do, and
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  Speaker 3: I feel like we all all did at some point. Sure,
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  Speaker 3: But it's like, so she had a thing called interview metriosis,
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  Speaker 3: which is where you she told me she could get pregnant.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 3: That was pretty much the thing where it was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: well my goal was to become a captain and then
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  Speaker 3: talk about kids if we could. Next way, that way,
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  Speaker 3: we're financially stable, everything's okay, moving in the right direction.
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  Speaker 4: Which is four to five years into the military service.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so Indometriosa's is that that doesn't necessarily guarantee
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  Speaker 1: that she can't have kids.
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  Speaker 2: It just makes it a lot harder or.
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  Speaker 3: The high possibility that she couldn't. She told me like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's what she told me. Then to come to find
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  Speaker 3: out that she told my family at a family reunion
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  Speaker 3: that she was to be the next one pregnant and
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  Speaker 3: no one told me this. So right when I go
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  Speaker 3: to a commission after I commissioned, she tells me that
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  Speaker 3: she's pregnant, and I try to do the right thing
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  Speaker 3: and take care of my family, and I married her
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  Speaker 3: and put her on try care and make sure that
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  Speaker 3: they were taken care of when we moved to the
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  Speaker 3: duty stations, because at that point we've been I got
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  Speaker 3: married probably about a year year two years in of
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  Speaker 3: so ever, think it was that big of a deal.
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  Speaker 1: Let me let me ask, if you don't mind, let
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  Speaker 1: me ask, did you before this happened? First of all,
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  Speaker 1: was your relationship with her? Monogamously? It was just you two?
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  Speaker 1: There was no like you know, I know you weren't
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  Speaker 1: like playing the field. You were looking for somebody to
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  Speaker 1: settle down with perhaps. And also, did you did you
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  Speaker 1: think before you learned about the pregnancy? Did you think
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  Speaker 1: she could be the one? But I'm just gonna like
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  Speaker 1: wait and see, or you weren't sure or what?
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  Speaker 3: I felt like she was the one, but some some
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  Speaker 3: things kind of had me questioning it. But at the
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  Speaker 3: same time, it's like I was at the time I
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  Speaker 3: was questioning things. We were already married.
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  Speaker 4: So there was symptoms like red flags, red flags for
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  Speaker 4: me and his mom right off the bat, we were like, uh,
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  Speaker 4: she came in here telling us how the first day
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  Speaker 4: we met her, the first five minutes she started talking
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  Speaker 4: about how her mom and dad beat her, how her
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  Speaker 4: mom and dad treated your bad, how her mom and
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  Speaker 4: Dad wouldn't give her no money, these type things. Then
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  Speaker 4: she tried to start separating Dalton from us, which we
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  Speaker 4: have a very very tight relationship. And see that after
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  Speaker 4: we wrestled three hundred and sixty five days a year,
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  Speaker 4: so we were pretty much together for the last five
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  Speaker 4: years of his high school career and they went to college,
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  Speaker 4: and then when he met Anna, there was a lot
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  Speaker 4: of stuff that was going on, like we were being
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  Speaker 4: questioned what we were doing while we were doing it.
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  Speaker 4: And then Dalton's a lot like I am. He'll shoot
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  Speaker 4: a text and if it's not five words, getting it
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  Speaker 4: out there quick and easy. We would be getting these
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  Speaker 4: texts that were three four inches long on a phone
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  Speaker 4: and the essay, yeah, yeah, that's not Dalton.
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  Speaker 3: Dalton ain't right now. I didn't even know that she was.
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  Speaker 3: She was in my phone pretty much.
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  Speaker 2: So there were red flags.
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  Speaker 1: She was a little bit controlling, a little bit like
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  Speaker 1: kind of wanted to, like, you know, pull you away
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  Speaker 1: from your family kind of things.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like she was very manipulatent. And usually I
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  Speaker 3: was a good judge of character, but somehow if I
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  Speaker 3: get slipped by me, but she was very manipulative, It's
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  Speaker 3: like she brought things up that made made me start thinking.
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  Speaker 3: It was like, where's this coming from? And then she
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  Speaker 3: tied certain things to that subject that made it have
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  Speaker 3: some reinforcements. It was like, uh, where are you getting this?
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  Speaker 3: And how do you know that? And where is this
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  Speaker 3: coming from?
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  Speaker 2: Type of stuff. So so okay, so let's back up.
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  Speaker 1: So she tells you that first you know, she's got indometriosis.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be really difficult to have a kid,
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  Speaker 1: nearly impossible. And you say, okay, well, we'll figure that
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  Speaker 1: out later, because that's not really like when i'm and
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  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong on this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get a sense of like the timeline,
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  Speaker 2: and you're.
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  Speaker 1: Saying, well, I got some other goals I want to
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  Speaker 1: accomplish first.
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  Speaker 2: We'll come and revisit that later. Let's see how this goes.
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  Speaker 1: And then at some point after that, she sort of
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  Speaker 1: springs it on you. Oh, by the way, I'm pregnant,
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  Speaker 1: And now you're like, okay, well then it must be me.
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  Speaker 2: I must be the father. So I'm gonna do the
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  Speaker 2: right thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to marry her, and I'm going to take
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  Speaker 1: care of my family, and that is that is that
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  Speaker 1: about right?
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  Speaker 3: That's pretty close, okay, and.
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  Speaker 2: Around how old were you around when this was? You
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  Speaker 2: were like twenty or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: No, I was a senior in college. It was twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: It was before it was before COVID. It was twenty eighteen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was twenty eighteen and.
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  Speaker 2: The end of twenty nineteen, at the end of twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, because I commissioned in May of nineteen,
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  Speaker 3: and then she had sprung it right right right at commissioning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: about about I don't know, a month for commissioning or
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  Speaker 3: something like that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, But we had we had conversation about some
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  Speaker 4: of the things that were going on and whether or
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  Speaker 4: not to whether or not to break ties with her
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  Speaker 4: because of some of the stuff.
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  Speaker 3: That was going on.
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  Speaker 4: But she listened in on conversations, she read texts, She
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  Speaker 4: went through mail, Yep, she went through mail. So at
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  Speaker 4: that point, after commissioning, I went to Fort Knox for
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  Speaker 4: about two months and she moved up here with my parents.
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  Speaker 4: Well they couldn't take it anymore, so she moved in with.
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  Speaker 3: My grandmother in North Carolina. Well, in North Carolina, we
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  Speaker 3: caught her in several lies. One was we got her
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  Speaker 3: a job through a friend of ours at a nursing
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  Speaker 3: home because she said something about she had worked in
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  Speaker 3: a nursing home before and she wanted to be a nurse.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we have a friend up the road that works
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  Speaker 4: at a nursing home. Will gets you a job, and
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  Speaker 4: got her a job. And she came back one day
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  Speaker 4: and said, I wasn't on the schedule today.
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  Speaker 3: I guess I'll go tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: And then me, being who I am, got aggravated because
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  Speaker 4: somebody didn't do the schedule right and wasted her time.
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  Speaker 4: I called our friend, I said, what's going on, and
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  Speaker 4: she says, she didn't tell you.
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  Speaker 3: I went no.
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  Speaker 4: She got fired yesterday for threatening a dementia patient. And
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  Speaker 4: we have a letter that's that states that she told
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  Speaker 4: a dimension peytment, if you put your hands on me,
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  Speaker 4: I'll beat your ass. And so she got fired from
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  Speaker 4: that job. But she didn't tell us for like three days.
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  Speaker 4: So she was going to town and wasting time doing
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  Speaker 4: whatever and come home and say she's home from work.
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  Speaker 4: And then I confronted her about it. And that's when
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  Speaker 4: when we I was like, look, you, you can't do
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  Speaker 4: stuff like that you know, if you've got a job
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  Speaker 4: like this, Okay, so let's find another job and we'll
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  Speaker 4: move on while you're here. And so you and Dalton
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  Speaker 4: can progress. There's no sense sitting here not doing nothing.
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  Speaker 4: And so she okay, okay, I'll do that. But then
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  Speaker 4: she went to see Dalton down at Fort Knox. They
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  Speaker 4: had a car wreck. But we didn't know she had
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  Speaker 4: already she had already packed all her bags. Oh. I
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  Speaker 4: think we didn't know that she'd packed her bags to
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  Speaker 4: go to move out.
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  Speaker 3: She was leaving. She wouldn't live with.
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  Speaker 4: Us, Yeah, because I had I had rules and stuff
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  Speaker 4: here that you're going to live by these rules while
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  Speaker 4: you're living here, help out around the house, do things
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  Speaker 4: like that. But she she was bound to term and
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  Speaker 4: she wouldn't do nothing here. And uh and she told
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  Speaker 4: many lies. She told lies on my daughter and those
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  Speaker 4: were those were big, huge red flags to me and Christie.
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  Speaker 4: And we're trying to be cordial because now it's our
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  Speaker 4: daughter in law with with our grandchild she's carried. And
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  Speaker 4: but then she went and seen Dalton and uh uh,
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  Speaker 4: she moved into my mom. I tried to warn my
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  Speaker 4: mom things going to happen, and you ain't gonna like
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  Speaker 4: mom and Mom's about a month after in Mom she
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  Speaker 4: you were right. And then she had to move out
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  Speaker 4: of my mom's and then moved in with Dalton at
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  Speaker 4: Fort Knox.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Fort Lee, Fort Lee, Virginia. So I was
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  Speaker 3: in the Knox for two months and then I went
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  Speaker 3: to Fort Lee. I was down there, and then she
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  Speaker 3: ended up staying with me at on Post while I
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  Speaker 3: went through officer training school. Yeah. So the reason why
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  Speaker 3: I think she's come stay with me is there was
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  Speaker 3: an incident that happened at my grandmother's house where I
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  Speaker 3: think we got into a verb altercation and she disagreed
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  Speaker 3: with me, and I said, fine, we'll just split. And
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  Speaker 3: she had a financial issue, in my opinion, like she
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  Speaker 3: would take three or four trips to Walmart a day.
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  Speaker 3: I just think she wasn't good at.
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  Speaker 2: And she wasn't good with money.
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  Speaker 3: Money. So at that point she was like, fine, I'm out,
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  Speaker 3: and I said, all right, I took my credit card
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  Speaker 3: and I cut in half. M free to go anytime
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  Speaker 3: you want. And as soon as I cut the credit
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  Speaker 3: card in half, she put hands on me and shoved
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  Speaker 3: me over a chair and I leaned on my back
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  Speaker 3: and I got up and she come at me again,
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  Speaker 3: and I caught her wrists and I told her that
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  Speaker 3: she was not going to do that and told her
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  Speaker 3: to get out of the house and go cool down.
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  Speaker 1: So that was so it sounds like, according to your testimony,
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like she got violent and you restrained her.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't hit her.
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  Speaker 1: You probably knew that would have been awful, but you
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  Speaker 1: basically said, let's take the temperature down. You're being a
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  Speaker 1: little insane. Is this where the allegations come in.
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  Speaker 3: No, My mom testified in court to that too. So
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  Speaker 3: we had we had thirteen character witnesses and it didn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Oh okay, so you it wasn't just you and
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  Speaker 2: her there, or we.
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  Speaker 4: Had thirteen character witnesses for Dalton that watched her put
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: hands on him. She she almost calls the wreck at
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: eighty miles an hour, Dalton going up the road pulling
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: a boat, and she attacked him while he was driving,
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: while he was driving with my daughter in the back seat,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: and my daughter tried to videotape.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: It at the end. So she punched me in the
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: side of the head while I was driving because I
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: was seeing her favorite song in a joking manner. It
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: was random. It was like, what are you thinking I'm
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: driving and like you got six foot six.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I mean it was a Taylor Swift because women get
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: crazy about Taylor Swift.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: You can't make fun of Taylor Swift. It would have
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: been that.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but after after the child was born.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Actually back up, she was a very aggressive pregnant, very
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: aggressive pregnant, had had a temper, tantrums, lash outs, screaming, yelling.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I think we had the hotel call room for a
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: noise to sturbmans. Once. It's just like I get I
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: get in the shower and locked the door, just to
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: get some peace and quiet, and she picked the lock,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: come in and just open the curtain and I would
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: sit there and take a shower with no curtain because
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: she would sitting there and just chirp and chirp and chirping.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, look, we're both mad, just go away,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: leave me alone, calm down. She's like, nope, we're gonna
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: talk to this dorough this right now. And she just
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: wouldn't let it go until you said she was right,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: could not let things go. So after after Virginia moved
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: to Kansas, got's a house in town because she wanted
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: to live closer to town. That way that we had
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: everything in case we needed because we had a newborn.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I like to live in the country, but there's some
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: amenities you don't have. So we lived in the like
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the suburbs of Manhattan, Kansas, and it was like probably
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: five minutes away from like Walmart, Texas roadhouse sure, anything
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: like that. So I think after we got married, she
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: started changing in behavior, started picking up on things. She
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: wanted her name on bank account, she wanted her name
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: on the cars, she wanted her name on houses, she
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: wanted her name on on certain things, and I'm like no.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Soon as I started fighting back, that's when fighting back
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: saying like no, That's when things started getting kind of
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: a little warm. She started manipulating me more, being a narcissist,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: telling me that I needed to stay home, and all
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: she did was would she was stay in the house
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: and no lights and wanted me to stay with her
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: when I was off work all the time. And I'm
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: like this is depressing. I can't do this, Like I
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: have to, I need to get out and some sunlight.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: And we had two hunting dogs and and we're we're
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: in a state where I could actually give them some attention. Now, yeah,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: it's a big hunting state for for pheasants and quail.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: So I was like, I got to get out of here,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: like I can't sit in this house all day. And
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: she would try to manipulate me galas come talk with
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: your family to do this. I'm like, I'm with you
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: guys all the time, Like there's time for you to
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: go do you and get your use in me time,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: And like I got I can't stay in a damn house.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: It's it's it gets depressing. So that's where she become
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: very manipulative and trying trying to keep me there, trying
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: to keep eyes on me. And then I started figuring
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: out that my accounts on my phone kept kept jumping,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: meaning it would kick me out of Facebook, kept kick
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: me out of Snapchat, kick me out of all these apps.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: And I'm thinking of what is going on with my phone?
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: And I would tell her and she I have no idea.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: She should probably contact for ice and then find out. Well,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I didn't think anything of that, so and went on Kansas.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: She knew that we were that my unit was planning
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: to go to Korea for a nine month rotation.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were in Kansas, were you away from
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: your dad and your mom and stuff?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Were you or that?
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are staying in North Carolina or in Wisconsin.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, Wisconsin, all right, all right?
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so we went down and helped to move in
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: m H. I think you guys were down there for
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: about a week or something like that. We came down,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure, yeah, okay for Christmas.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we were supposed to deploy on February. They
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: came down for Christmas and she started showing her ass
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: at Christmas. I think my dog got his foot caught
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: in the door. She come around screaming with the baby
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: in her arms. So that's that's another thing that when
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: she would get into a verbal altercation, she would pick
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: up the child and then she would get into your
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: face and scream so that you couldn't do nothing. You
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: couldn't get away, Like even though somebody wouldn't do something,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: it just made you feel like, oh, my goodness, you
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: have a newborn in your hands, like why are you
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: coming at me? So it just made everything very uncomfortable,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: even like for me like living there, Like whenever we
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: get an altercation, she would pick up the child and
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: then come and have an altercation with me like this close.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: So it was just like go put the baby down
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: and then come and talk to me. Nope. And then
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: she would just keep on and then if I try
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: to leave, try to leave the room, it would be
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: like a constant follow And there was a verbal altercation
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: that was recorded, and it seemed like she was doing
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: this on purpose because she was she was trying to
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: get things on recording. She was trying to manipulate you
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: to say certain things and to find out Her mother
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: admitted to me that that was their plan when they
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: knew I was going to Korea. It was going to
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: try to manipulate me into trying to say something just
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: to get her away or off my back so that
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: they could use it against me. And that verb aaltercation.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: You could hear me say get away from me, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: you could hear me leaving and going from room to room,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: and it faintly getting lighter and lighter, and it that
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: was a constant.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: It was on that on that you can hear him
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: ask her seven times, please just leave me alone, let
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: me take a shower, and then we'll talk.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Because because when you're deploying. His hours.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: His time was from what five thirty in the morning,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: and you.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Know it was not so first I D kept you
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: for like twenty four hours, Yeah, until you were ready
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: to boy if you until you were eighty percent deployable.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: You guys didn't we didn't leave post. Yes, that's the
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: way the Army is. Fort Riley is a US and
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: abused post. I asked my my PSG, which is my
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: second in command, my enlisted guy that was an E
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: six it's position, but he was in E six. I
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: asked him, how much do you see your family a year?
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: He said about three months. I see my family three
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: months out of the year. And I said, Jesus, that's
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: When the Army says family first, that's a lie. Because
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: you're in If you're in the first Mftry Division, the
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: eighty second Fort Campbell, the one hundred and first, UH fourth,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: I D tenth, Mountain third, I D fourth, I D second,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I D. Those guys keep you at work at least
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: sixteen seventeen hours a day because you are the infantry.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: You're the tip of the spear. I was in the
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: eighty second.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I was an INMFTY officer, and I can tell you
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: right now, my guys constantly complain. My lieutenants or other
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: lieutenants and stuff were like, no wonder the divorce rate
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: is so high in the army is because those units
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: don't let you go home.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: So we had the highest suicide rate. The first i
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: D had the highest suicide rate. So First ID was
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: attached to Fort Hood during the time that Fort Hood
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: got light of all those deaths and whatnot was happening.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And the suicides are because what.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: It's because of the rotation. So you do nine months somewhere. Okay,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: so let's back up. So you'll do NTC National Training Center.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: You'll go into NTC for like two months, and you'll
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: come back and then you go to the field. Those
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: into the field for thirty days, and then you come
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: back and go to j RTC which is in Louisiana.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: It's a joint training center for another two three months,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: and then you come back and they go to the
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: field again, and then when they come back, they do
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: the packing list and then you go on another nine
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: month rotation.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Or you're you're rotating into Afghanistan or Kuwait or somewhere
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: You go to theater yeah, which is getting prepped to war. Yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: So it's a constant moving So what happens is the
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: families that come here. If your wife or spouse or
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: whatever is not acclimated to this, it makes a nice
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: riff in your marriage or whatever. So what happens. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I saw it many times I had to do. I
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: was the investigating officer for so many of these divorces
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: or adult trees or suicide stuff, and it was ridiculous
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: because like, you're just the Army's just pulling families apart
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: by sending a guy away and leaving that woman and
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: children alone by themselves forever.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: And a lot of times the reason that they're doing
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: that is you've got a battalion commander who's got an
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: agenda to make brigade full bird. And he looks bad
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: if he's volunteering his unit to go do all these missions,
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: regardless of what it does to the men and women
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: that are serving under him. He doesn't care about that.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: His whole career is based off whether or not he
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: makes that next rank. His oeer determines whether or not
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: he makes that next rank, whether or not he gets
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: to war college will that is determined off of the
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: person ahead of him think recommending him for that school.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: And the whole time is he don't care about you.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: He don't care about your family, he don't care about
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: your children. He cares about looking good for his boss
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: to go higher.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: And we'll get aron that a little bit later. So
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: we'll back up back to Christmas. I wanted to add,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: so at Christmas there was a verbal altercation that happened
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: with the family, and she got up and grabbed a baby.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: I think my brother and I got into an alter
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: care about something, not an altercation.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Just an argument, something something silly that happened in the past.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I use altercation as like just a we're having a
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: talk through. You could say, yeah, my altercation. And she
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: grabbed the baby and like try to run into the room,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: and she elbowed my mother in her port. So my
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: mother had cancer, she had breast cancer, and she had
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: told me afterwards. It got me alone because she didn't
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: want me knowing of that right then, and mayor that Anna.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: She grabbed the baby and swung backwards and caught my
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: mother in her port. And when she's moving forward and
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: swinging backwards, that to me sounds like it's on purpose.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: And She didn't tell us until laughter that she didn't
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: like my parents, so I could see where she would
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: do that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: And my mother didn't tell me because she knew that
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I would do something about it. She I guess because
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: we called the spade of spade, what everybody called the
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: spade of spade. My aunt did it. She wanted me
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: to stay away from going over to my aunt's house.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: My other aunt did it. My grandmother ended up doing it,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: and she was telling me that everybody was bad. So yeah,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: so I found out. I didn't find out. I pretty
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: much told myself, like during that time of going getting
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: ready for deployment, that I need to just try to
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: keep her happy because she's exhausting. She exhausted me so much,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: and I told her, I love you, but I'm not
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: in love with you. And I think that's what sparked,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Like she just wanted to tear me down.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Because let's get to let's get to it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Sounds like, yeah, I mean a lot of red flags,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: a pattern of abusive behavior, very manipulative, almost like mcavellian
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: using the child too, and wants to break you away
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: from your parents like sort of like you know, and
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: also like seems to like demand that you basically be
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: there for her at all times at any point, so like,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: you know, stay with me, you know you don't like whatever,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: even if we're just in the dark quietly. So let's
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: get to the part that brings you on our show,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: like what happened there and what is it and what
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: were the consequences of that?
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: So I kind of had a timeline when I got
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: to Korea. I think two weeks into CREA, she told
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: me she was leaving unless I I, uh, pretty much
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: submitted to her demands, and then I told her, yeah,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: go kick rocks because when she sent me my laptop,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I found out that she was cheating on me. She
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: had not she had not backed out of her email,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: and I saw every single email between her and another guy.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Was this you had left yet I was in Korea,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I was, so you were in Korea? Oh okay, Well
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: this is yeah, Unfortunately, this is very very common. I know,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: like every person I brought on here just about they
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: have a story that involves a woman that is cheating
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: with either cheating while the men are away.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, it's the easiest route for them.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: So yeah, her MO was to try to get some
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: blackmail on you, to try to find something on you
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: and then use it against you. And the recordings he's
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: talking about is the tool that she got to use
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: in court so that Dalton couldn't do nothing to her,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: he couldn't touch her. And then he found out that
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: she had been talking to this guy in Mississippi since
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: December before they you know, when they first got down
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: to before I deployed. Yeah, she had been talking about
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: for four months prior to my deployment. Yeah, so she
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: would so I had time to talk to my child,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: but she would use that as a pond. She would
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: use my child as a pond to get me online
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: to try to manipulate me into talking about certain things
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: that she could use for custody court or running up
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: my my I guess my child, child support and my
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: commanders were very weak, very very weak. I I kind
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: of resonated in them for help. What should I do, sir?
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: What can I do? This woman's spewing negative stuff about me?
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: I found out through my own soldiers in my platoon.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: He pulled me aside one of my n c o's
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: a heyeser, this is a She got on the wives
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: page and asked how she could get money out of you?
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And they told.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: What's the what's the wives page?
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Briefly, so apparently there was a fort Riley wise page,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: so like any anything like for like like.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: A Facebook page kind of a thing.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: It was a Facebook page for new wives, current wives
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: and past existing wives to talk about what happened at
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Riley to get ready for deployment things if they needed it,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: like for the p X or any like help for children,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: things like that. And I saw it. She blatantly asked
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: what can I do to get money out of him
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: and get away from him.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: And told his wives that she that he was beating her.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: And the wives said no.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Afterwards, one of the wives said, if he had ever
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: hit you or beat you, you can say that and
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: army will protect you. And then she at below and said, yeah,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: he beat me. One of the one of the wives
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: on fort Riley gave her the idea and she ran.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Another another wife from the wives page made gave her
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: this idea and then she ran with it.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Yep. She called my command and said that I did X,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Y and Z, and I said, Sir, ask her for proof,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: ask her if she have any evidence towards what she's
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: saying I did the place.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Are never called to their house at any time, any
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: place anywhere.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: So yeah, she didn't go to the cops first. That
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: should be it.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: That should be the first sign that there, you know,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: is smell some something is amiss. But that but okay,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: so the no no police reports.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: What happened next?
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: So here here's what I told my brigade commander at
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: the end of the day. I told him, Sir, I
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: initiated the divorce. She didn't initiate divorce. We've been going
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: through this for so long. She she didn't try to
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: initiate a divorce. She didn't call the cops. She has
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: she has no hospital stays, no medical reports, there's nothing.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: It was just her saying this happened. But I said,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: I have pictures, I have text I have emails, I
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: have witnesses. What I was told at the end of
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: the day by a lawyer jag TDS was that we
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: as soldiers cannot try to hinder the civilian's reputation, which
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: means we cannot say anything that would be bad towards
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: that civilian's reputation, meaning that when we go to court,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: they can go after me all day long, but they
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: cannot touch a civilian, means they cannot say that she
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: did X, Y and Z. That gives her character negative light.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: So it means the service member is a sitting duck
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: no matter what it is, when they walk into that courtroom.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: And that's that's the thing that come back from the
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: from the tailhook and Obama wanting more sexual assault and
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: assault prosecutions is these were some of the rules and
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: regulations that they set in place where a soldier cannot
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: defend himself. A soldier can't go back and say, hey,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: look at the evidence and what's going on. We had
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: we had the guy that she moved in with Mississippi
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: was a key witness in his custody battle. He testify
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: the court she made a false nine one one call
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: that he was beating me. She didn't know that he
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: was filming her. She went outside, She ran around the
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: house twice, jumped in her car, didn't lock it, and
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: didn't leave. When the police got there there arrested him.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: He told them to look at the video tape. She
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: didn't know there was a video tape.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Pause yep. So he's living out a little bit of
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: So I talked to the man specifically, he said that
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: same thing I told you. When she didn't get her way,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: she would keep it the kit up, get in his
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: face whatever she called the police ran around the house,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: was punching herself in the face, and he was recording
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: it as she's running around. So he's a sheriff's deputy
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: of that county. She wanted to go be a sheriff
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: because she wanted to learn the ins and outs of
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: the law. And she admitted this to me that so
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: that she could then have the knowledge so when we
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: go to civilian court or custody court, she could win
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: that custody court and knowing the laws of being a cop.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: So she started dating a cop and using that cop well.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: When the other policeman showed up, they didn't arrest him.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: They went straight and questioned him, and she ran up
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: and said, hey, I called you for abuse. Why are
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: you not talking to me? Why are you talking to him?
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: And they said, ma'am, please walk away. Go stand over there.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: They talked to him, he showed them the video and
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: they left. They didn't arrest her for false allegations or
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: any of that, because that would put him in jail
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: for a very long time if he didn't have that
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: if he didn't have the video. But that's what bothers
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: me is that, let's say my ex wife or any
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: other woman out here makes a false allegation, nothing happens.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I feel like they should get the same treatment as
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: what they're trying to set you up for.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: That that guy was not allowed by the judge that
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: was superseding the court hearings.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Him and the policemen were not allowed to be subpoened.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: So what it was was he called me and said
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: that she had stole money from him, and he kicked
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: her out, and she called Child Predictive Services on him,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: saying that he was a bad father and was doing
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: drugs and was trying to get Conrad custody. You know
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: about that police officer that she she left me for.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: So I called him and said, hey man, what's going on,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: where's my child? Like, when's the last time you've seen her?
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Because I don't I didn't know when she was going
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: to pick up, when she was going to leave. Actually,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: that brings me to another point. When she left fort Riley,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: fort Riley put out in order that anybody that was
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: associated with the Army of fort Riley was not allowed
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: to leave because of COVID, and she disobeyed that all
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: those orders, I think the civilian said, do not leave,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: do not travel, and she left to Mississippi.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Now, she went to North Carolina and dropped off the grandchild,
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: dropped off his daughter, and then traveled back to Mississippi
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: and left that daughter for over forty days. And then
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: didn't Josh say that he had to force her to
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: go get that baby.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had to convince her to go go back,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: go get my child from the grandparents, her grandparents, so
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: her parents anyway, So she kept going back and forth,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: and I pleaded with the judge, going, look, I don't
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: believe that this woman should have my child if she
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: can't take care of herself. If she's hopping around seeing
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: all these dudes going in and out of the house,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: dating all these guys, going all these parties, and she
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: would get on these Well the reason we know all
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: this is because she would get on TikTok Live to
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: trying to be an influencer, and she would go live
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: at all these parties. She'd be drinking and I'd be
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: and I'd just be watching and recording, and I would
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: give it.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: She's so she's a a pregnant. Was she were you
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: guys divorced at this point or like a mother, I'm sorry,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: a mother yep? On social media trying to be as
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: an influencer yep. And she's like how old, like in
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: her twenties.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she was early twenties at the time.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the baby was left with with her mom
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: while she's out of these uh wherever they're filming these
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: things at and you could see them drinking. She she
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: drank online. All kinds of.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: It bothered me is because I'm overseas, I'm doing my job,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: I'm protecting the country, doing whatever, and I can't be
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: a father because of what I'm doing for my country. Right,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: She's not being a mother. She's planning that child off
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: to her mom to be to take care and teach.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: And it really bothered me.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, it's truck would be with.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: My child, Like what are you doing? And she had
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: she had told me during all this, if you're not
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: going to take care of me, I'll find a man
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: that wheel, and that's what she was doing. She was
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: out trying to find another suitor to take care of her.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: And I went to my commander and I said, sir,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: I'm doing all that I can, and they were trying
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: to force me to pay for her new apartment and everything.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: I said, sir, I'm not doing that. We have a lease,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: because we still had that lease, and I was paying
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: on a house at home that nobody lived in, so
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I was paying on a lease. And it says the
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: TDS lady told me afterwards, if it was above a
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: certain amount of money, you don't have to pay for
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: anything else, because that was the the max for b
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: a s vah for that person. My commander said, I
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: don't care what the JAG said. He wrote a member
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: and of her record and made me sign it, and
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: if I didn't, he said, I could be arrested for
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: not giving funds to my family. That JAG officer told
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: me that he was wrong, that it was a buff
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: sert amount of funds. I didn't have to well, I
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: had already signed it, and he said and I said,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: all right, make them, make the army give me that
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: money back, and he and they said we can't make them.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: And the commander said, kick rocks. So I had to
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: give her double and I ended up going into al
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: much a financial hole because she kept asking it more
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: and more and more, and my commanders kept riding off
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: on it. They kept saying okay, okay, okay, and then
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: he told me, happy wife, happy life. So at this point,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: there is no happy wife, happy life. I said, she's
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: already just grundled. She she already knows that the Army's
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: going to make me do whatever that you say I
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: have to do, and not saying that that was right
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: at all. Yeah. So at the end of the day,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: they told me that I was going to go to
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: court martial, and.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: They so these allegations, they just they just took them
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: as you're going to court martial over the allegations or
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: over this financial stuff, over over allegations.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, over the allegations. All right, that's what I thought.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: So there was no police report, and you're I know
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: that they do internal investigations in the military, but they
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: just didn't even do that.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: They just said, Okay, we're just gonna.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Take it as writ because of these policies or this
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: sort of like changing policies put in by the Obama administration,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: because they get their numbers from this really like bogus
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: study that was done on college campuses by Mary Costs,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: and they're basically saying, well, if this happens on college campuses,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: it's got to be true for the military as well.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: So we're just going to run with that, right.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: So there was an investigation. So as soon as she
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: posted on Facebook saying, oh you beat me, they put
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: me under flag. A flag is halting all product productivity
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: of me promoting or leading. And I'm an officer. So
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: I went and sat in the three shot for three years.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: So they did an investigation for three years on me,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: and I sat stagnant. All my other peers went and
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: become captains and went back to school, and I'm still
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: a second lieutenant. It takes four years to become a captain.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: So I sat there as a second lieutenant. And what
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I started figuring out was that that lieutenant colonel that
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: had put me under flag didn't have to put me
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: under flag, and he was influencing all the other captains
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: that were in charge of me to try to get
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: more stuff on me. So like negative counselings, this obeying orders,
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: they were trying their best. And I'll give you example.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: We have lieutenants come in and run colonel's pt which
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: means that a lieutenant has to build a physical training
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: plan for everybody and execute it well. That lieutenant I
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: helped write the PT plan for him, and he decides
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: not to show up that morning, not called, don't give
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: a heads up, like he's in charge of colonel's PT.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Like it's a big deal. Yeah, And I call him
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: and I call him and I call him and I'm
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: like like five calls in and I'm like, hey, dude,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: where are you? Why are you not answering? I had
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: a panic attack. I'm not coming And I said that's
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: not an excuse, and he said I'm not coming and
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: hung up. And I told the colonel, the one that
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: didn't like me, Hey, sir, he's not coming. He had
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: a panic attack. Apparently. I guess I'll run it.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: The commander.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: That was in charge of him was the S three,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: which is right underneath the lieutenant. Colonel was supposed to
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: discipline him. Only thing that happened was are you okay?
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I heard it. I was in the room. Are you okay?
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: All right? Nothing happened to him, And that's a big deal.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: No negative counseling you, no smack on the wrist. It
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: was just like are you okay? And letting go. It
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: was like a week later, I lived about forty five
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: minutes from post. I let them know, Hey, I'm going
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: to be a minute late. There's some traffic back here.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: They're just going to give you guys a heads up.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I get there and I run up in formation, and
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: I think I was probably forty five seconds to a
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: minute late off first formation. That commander tried to give
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: me a negative counseling and write me up for being
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: a minute late. And I was just like, what, I
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: don't understand this. Do you let all your NCO's misformation
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: or be ten minutes late or this This lieutenant miss
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: a pet that he was scheduled to run, and you're
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: gonna try to give me a negative counseling for being
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: a minute late. And I let you know. She's like, okay, fine,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: I'll write you up for a wall, I said. I said,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: hold on, I said, okay, you're searching now. I think
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: you're fishing for something to write me up for. I said,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: because the fact that you just said that you're writing
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: for a wall, I said, you even know what a
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: wall means? And she gave me some dumb definition of
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: what a wall was. I said, false. So the definition
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: of a wall is a fact that you disappear without
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: any communication at all and just ghost that's a wall.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: They give you, what is it, forty eight hours? They
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: give you forty eight hours, and if you do not
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: say anything or come back, that's a wall. She spewed
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: that mess, and then I said, all right, we're done here.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: So that's why I knew that that commander was telling
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: her to write me up for certain things. The reason
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: I say that is because when we went to court martial,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: they try to use her write ups as extra stuff
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: to tack on to that general court martial.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Orders, Oh, they were trying to make it not just
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: these allegations, but add as much to it as possible
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: to add to add credibility to the court martial.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: Right, how many I think they started out with how
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: many allegations? Thirty five? Yeah, thirty five allegations turned out
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: to be thirteen turned out to be four. But the
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: army does that. The court systems do this to people
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: in the outside world. I do it on the inside world.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: Is if you're accused of one thing, they do everything
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: in their book to try to tack on a lot
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: more stuff, so it sounds like you're the worst person
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: in the whole world in front of a judge.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: And then the lawyer even told me that they're going
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: to make you look like the worst person and in
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: the world. He said, don't get discouraged. It is just
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: the procedure.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's Yeah, basically, it becomes a kind of
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: like game where the lawyers the prosecutors are like trying
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: to win the game, so they're trying to get as
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: much as they can out of it.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Well, another thing that bothered me the most was that
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: my colonel had my wife on speed dial. My wife
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: ex wife got on the phone and said, I have
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: your colonel on speed dial. You just go ahead and
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: say something wrong and I'll just call him and get
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: you fed up. And I was like, what now. I
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: was home at that time, Okay. I walked into his office,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: knock on the door and said, so, do you have
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: my my wife on speed dial? He said, I have
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: her on contact.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: I said, you guys talk right, He's like once a week.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: I was like, what in the world are you thinking?
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Why are you talking to my ex wife once a week?
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: I said, that is that's not supposed to happen. Yeah,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: And I had to recording because of the city of
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: kandas you can record, apparently one one party. But I
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: don't think you could really do it for the army
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: or not. But I've told I think that's the reason
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: that all these ogations got dropped. He was influencing all
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: the commanders. And I found this out that if if
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: the lower commander did not agree with the higher commander,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: that commander's job was at risk because the army. Because
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: the company commander that got in charge of me kind
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: of had something along the same lines happened to him.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Not not that crazy, but he literally said at the beginning,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: he he was like anybody else. They didn't believe me whatever.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: But after like a month him him dealing with my
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: ex wife always calling up there, he said, dude, I
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: get it. I understand what you're saying. Now she's she
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: is nuts. He said, I would love to help you,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: but this colonel is asking me to bury you, get
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: stuff on you and talk to his wife and gather information.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: And I had that recorded. He didn't know that, and
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: I apologized him later, but when he got it on
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: the stand, he said the complete opposite, and I knew
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: that colonel was making him say that. They dropped all
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: charges against me from the colonel and the captain, because
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: that captain could keep his story straight on the stand
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: and they had that recording, so they dropped everything. And
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: to me, and even on stand in the courtroom, they
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: caught her in many lies. And to me, I'm sitting
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: there going this that's a miss trial. Yeah, that's a
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: miss trial. You know.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: They my wife, My wife was testifying, and my wife
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: got up here and told what she had witnessed and seen,
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: and they stopped the proceedings, made the courtroom, made the
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: jury clear, the clear of the courtroom, and had a
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: discussion with the prosecutor and the judge. And yeah, there
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: was a lot of stuff going on in that courtroom.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: And we didn't know about Arvist until after the fact.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: This is long, afore short. We've been here for about
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: an hour and I know you need to wrap up.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: We didn't know about arbust till after the fact. But
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: if we had a note about arvest and what was
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: going on in these these hearings, we could have used
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: that at our advance to our advantage. Sure, But we
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: found out later that six of the jury members had
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: been on her juries multiple times and that's illegal.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: We want to wrap it up, so I'm going to
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: like speed through this trial. So leading up to the trial,
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: my my attorney quit. So I had a younger attorney,
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: first year attorney, and it just seemed like he was
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: already checked out, like he already knew what was going
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: to happen. He said about something about them playing golf
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: with the prosecution, and all this was throwing me from
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: If I was getting mad, I was because I'm a
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: cribal justice major. I was going to go to law school,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: and I was pretty much tell him, this is not
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: a fair and speeded child. What are we talking about?
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Why can they do this? And I can't say anything.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: I have all this evidence. I have her admitting that
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't do anything on one of these lives. I
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: have her on these tiktoks guys saying hey, where's he at.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I'll go get him for your heart, honey, Like I'll
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: go take care of him. At midnight at my house
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: in Kansas, there was a black charger that parked out
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: front of my house two nights in a row. This
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: time I actually slipped out the back door, slipped around
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: onto the curb, and knocked on the door. Soon as
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: I hit the glass car took off and there was
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: like fifteen dudes in the comments was saying, hey, where
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: is he at. I'll go take care of him, honey,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: don't worry about it. And I gave this to my
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: lawyers and they're just like and I'm like, I'm scared
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: for my life, Like this woman is having people try
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: to come take me out. And it made me. I
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: turn off all the lights the house, like I was
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: ready for it because the army didn't care. And there's
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: like fifteen police reports out there from Kansas of me
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: calling and going, hey, there's something out front sitting in
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: my in my driveway with the lights on that hey,
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: somebody to try to break in my house. I had
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: to break in and the army just kind of blew
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: it off.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: M hm.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: So leading up to the court case, I had all
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: this evidence and I told him that They're like, they
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: asked me to take a plea deal of thirty five years,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: and I said, no, I have all this evidence. Good
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: try kick rocks. And then they come back with, oh, okay,
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: please do have two months. I said, you want. Plea
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: deal was for me to plead to domestic violence.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Oh so basically to plead guilty and then you get
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: like reduced sentence, but you didn't do anything wrong.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: You're like, no, I'm not doing that.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: And I have trusted the court system. I trusted the
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: commanders at one point because I was very patriarch When
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: I came in the army, I was very patriotic. I had,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I had clean record, I had flying colors, Eagle Scout,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: two time state champ like decorated and wrestling and honor students.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: It was an honor student. And I came into the
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: army thinking I'm just going to keep adding to and
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: doing the right thing and taking care of my soldiers. Well,
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: I saw a whole different world being a pogue, which
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: is logistics. The cop the combat arms guys told told
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: diferent mentality was kind of mentality I had. But they
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: told me, you can't bring that mentality into pogue world.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: I said, why not? Just logistical world.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: Logistical world, and logistical units are totally different than infantry.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Maneuver units. Maneuver units are your.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: Your guys that are straightforward, hard nosed, charged, good charge guys.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: Okay that all the officers, most officers and stuff are
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: like that. But you get out, you branch out into
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: the service support service units and the service support units,
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: and you find that there's guys out there that that
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: aren't aren't the best, that aren't up and up.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Uh, they kind of just want to go hide and
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: whatever as long as it gets done type of guys.
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's that's that's beside the point.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: This, this, this whole case.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: The evidence that he had against her and against the
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: stuff that she was doing, they would.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: Not allow in that courtroom because it spoke negatively to
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: her character. Yeah, it spoke Nevita her character.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: And we had we had eyewitnesses that they wouldn't subpoena.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: Now that family showed up on their own. They they
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: paid for them to show because they volunteered to come.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: But the so they were saying, a character witness was
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: different than an actual evidential witness. So the people that
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: we had, they said, hey, we'll that would speak negative
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: to her in the character. The prosecution told the judge
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: we don't want them, and they were not allowed. That's
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: what I was told. But a character witness was allowed.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: So what I learned in that courtroom is if you
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: have there's the proceedings, and then once they have found
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: their verdict, then your character. Witnesses are allowed to then
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: step forward and talk about your character. That would help
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: your senates be lower or higher. Yeah.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So the courtroom is stacked against the soldier. Not
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: necessarily just him, but the courtrooms have been stacked against
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: the soldiers twenty thirteen when all this started. There's so
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: many people that are sitting in jail right now that
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: are innocent men and women because of the procedures in
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: the courtroom.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: So the day before I went in there, that prosecution
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: met my tdslawry also the door, and they took all
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: my evidence away from me, and I said what was
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: going on? He said, you're not allowed to have any
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: of this evidence into procedures proceedings. I said, excuse me,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: who says this? He said, the prosecution said so. I said,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: the prosecution does not get that say so. He said, yes,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: they do. Prosecution pretty much runs the courtroom and what
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: they want when they don't want he said that if
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: it if it has something to do with objecting to something,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: that they say, you can use something, but it has
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: to be pre planned. I have to pre accept it
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: before we go into the courtroom. And the whole time
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: I'm like scream bloody murder. This is dumb. I cannot
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: believe this. Like I just said, pretty much, you're pretty
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: much locking my wrist up before we even walk in
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: the room, like I'm a sitting duck. So and what
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: I found out afterwards was she was going along with
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: this because she's getting paid to go along with this.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: She got on the victim Witness list. If you get
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: on the victim Witness list, you get fifteen hundred dollars
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: a month per victim, three thousand for three years, which
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: means she got My daughter got it, which was was
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: an infant, got the victim witness list. She got the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: victim witness list, and then her mom at the victim witness.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: List, so she was collecting forty five.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I was totally did now. Her mom didn't get nothing.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: She got whatever she got.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: She got like some money out of it too, So
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: it was like she benefits. She gets to look like
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: the victim, which is good for her. She gets paid,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: and she gets your child.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Your daughter.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Yep. She takes me out of pictures.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: What she says, yeah, she gets to go to the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: picture and get paid for it.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, go ahead.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: The biggest thing that I had a red flag with
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: being inside the courtroom was the jury that they had there.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: There was multiple jury members that it was a conflict
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: of interest. They had our battalion medical guy on there,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: which worked hand in hand with my colonel trying to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: get in okay, the two biggest colonel's highest rank that
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: were on the jury were my colonel's wife's best friends.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: They admitted to this, coming to the house, going to
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: parties at their house, things like that. And I think
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: it was like seven of the jury members knew the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: prosecution and worked hand in hand prior to that, which
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: told me the majority of all the jury was a
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: conflict of interest, and they let them fly, And I
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: thought that would go I thought that would go against
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: at the end when they did appeals, like look all
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: the jury members they knew, they knew the prosecute, everybody
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: on the prosecution, and then that judge would not let
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: any of my any of my witnesses on stand. So
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: like the guy that she left me for, he said,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: I'll testify, dude, that I'll be there and just went
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: went blank for the last week that wouldn't return calls
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: like nothing. So I found out that I was a
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: sitting duck. So I'm glad that I had the judge
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: that I did have. I they switched out judges like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: a week prior to court and then told me a
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: week prior. I'm like, what's going on that? My lawyer
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: told me that the original judge was was a hard
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: nosed individual, like he was so hard on Aroneld Henderson.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: He put people in jail for the max not the minimums.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: So he was sitting in the back of the courtroom
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: and he spoke out of turn. We were we were
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: going through proceedings, and he yelled guilty, guilty, And I
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: turned around like who is that? And he's sitting in
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: the back of the courtroom. Is he is the head
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: judge at fort Riley I had, I had a National
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: Guard judge. Yeah, And he screams guilty during during this
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: now at the end and I'm like, how is it? Like, Okay,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: we're not gonna hold him contempt for saying anything?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Right? Was there even a warning?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Nothing?
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: Nothing?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: So what is where are we at right now? What
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: ended up happening as a result of that? And how
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: are you dealing with it?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: So they found me guilty for four different things. So
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: and then they told me. I had a year and
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: a half in Lovenworth and I have never seen an
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: inside of the jail sale. I've never been. I have
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: no speedy tickets, nothing. I'm like, I have a clean record.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: And also I'm being put in prison for something they
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: can't accuse me of or they couldn't couldn't.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: Find any So the outside courts would her her case
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: at all. The outside courts would not do anything. Man,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: this what the evidence you bring us is not evidence
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: that there is.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: There is not enough to take it to criminal court. Yep.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: They told her that this is this is nothing. But
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: the army said, oh, we'll take it.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: So I spent a year in there, or a year
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: and a half in there, and I figured out why, Okay,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: it's not about if you did right or wrong. I
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: found it. It was about numbers and money. It was five
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars a week per per inmate that the federal
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: paid the state. The state was getting all that money
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: for fulfilling sales. And I found out that the prosecution
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: has a quote of to meet has to put away
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: a certain amount of individuals per post and if you
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: get officers it's it's a bonus. So I found that out.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: And and some of the guys I talked to, I
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: read their files, I read their their their paperwork. It
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: was like I had a buddy of mine get put
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: in there for a hickey. He gave he gave a
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: girl a hickey, and that and the command the prosecution
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: had that girl testify against him because of adultery. And
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: he he was he he had been away, he'd been Hawaii.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: The family lived in New York. She had a whole
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: new boyfriend, and she testified for him, said, we've not
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: been together for four years. I have my own I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: have a boyfriend. Now, I have my own going on.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: He has his own going on, Like there's nothing wrong here.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: And and the prosecution said, well, there's no divorce decree,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: so it's adultery. So we're gonna make you spend a
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: year in living work. Yeah, And I said, he did
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: a year in liven Worth for having a relationship when
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: they've already been separated. Yeah. So a lot of this
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: stuff is blown out of proportion, But this stuff is
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: stuck with these guys the rest of their lives. Yeah.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Now this this this year and three months that
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: he spent in prison for US for a mother and
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: father that that raised their kids. Uh, you know, great
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: grandfather served, grandfather served, My dad retired from the military,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: my sister retired from military. To see the disgusting part
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: of the military, and I know that you've got listeners
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: right now that know exactly what I'm talking about. The
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: disgusting part of the military is when you're being railroaded
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: as a service member. You volunteer to protect this country
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: and you get railroaded, and our our Congress is not
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: doing nothing about this when it was brought to light
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: through this dak iPad or iPad that committee, which every
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: one it was, I forget now and if hadn't been
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: for harvest bringing this to light that there's actually an
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: investigation going on about this criminal stuff is going on.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: It is just disheartening to wave that flag. It is
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: disheartening to know that our own government is doing this
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: to our men and women and did it to him
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: and not necessarily just him, because when I found out
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: that this had happened multiple times, I was I was.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: I come and spoke on his behalf to the dak
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: iPad committee at the Pennant or not the Pentagon. We
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: were in Arlington in a room with Arbus and uh yeah,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: just to see those people and the investigations they were
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: doing with nothing more than they were. They were waving
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: their hand that stuff. It wasn't there really that digging
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: into whether innocent people had gotten convicted. It was what's
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: wrong with our procedure? How does our procedure do wrong?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: Let's get some data over a couple of two or
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: three years while these people sit in jail that were innocent.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: To answer your question about how this has affected me,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: it is very much messed with my head and my
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: mental I don't trust the world we live in. I
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: don't trust our government. I don't trust the police officers
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: that live in my county. Like I just I feel
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: like I'm looking over my shoulder all the time. And
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: it has affected my everyday life. My ex wife still
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: stalks me to this day. She affects me getting jobs,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: she affects me moving on. She's affected me coaching like
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: I have a big background, a big fat resume and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: wrestling and have a lot to give and I try
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: to give it back to the community. And someone made
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: an allegation the other day that I try to kill
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: my ex wife and children, and it was just like,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: when is this going to end? When is it going
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: to stop me alone? Like, And the reason I wanted
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: to do this interview is I wanted to get my
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: story out there. But also I'm hoping the story reaches others,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: and I'm hoping that it reaches possibly some political political
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: individuals that could possibly help me get this.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: That's what we're trying to do.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know that Arvis has he does
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: have some access or some connections to people in the
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: current administration and the military and such, and they are
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: looking into it. But I think that we need to
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: make more noise. So that's why I'm doing these interviews
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: whenever I.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: You know, And I hope this interview reaches I hope
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: it reaches Trump. I hope he sees it. So and
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: if he does see it, yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I hope that's really I mean, that'd be nice, but
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: that's really optimistic, but I'd like that that'd be nice.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: Something else is this this individual, this female has done
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: this to another soldier, had more bragg same thing, got pregnant,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: had a baby. Now he can't see his top his child.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: So a little more behind it. So she did almost
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: the same thing, but not not quite. There's their own
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: circumstances here. But he kind of, he said, I figured
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: out he opted out to see his child because of her.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: What she will do is she'll manipulate the situation to
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: get you to talk and do what she wants you
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: to do, and then add things in there and try
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: to get get you caught up. I think their command
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: did a better job at it because that command gave
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: her like a cease and desist order, take no contact,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: leave him alone, and try to try to protect him.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Where that where his command, like you said, logistical command,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: just serve me up on a platter. Yeah, he was,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: he's he's infantry and reconnaissance. But I'm not gonna vouch
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: his name. But she's she's doing that and saying the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: same things, calling us all deep dead beats and and
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: things like that.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's also the narrative, speaking of which, I
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: guess my last question before we wrap up, and thank
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: you so much for sharing your story.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Really appreciate it.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not easy to talk to a total
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: stranger about something very pers and all.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: How how does your daughter doing?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: I honestly don't know. We're not none of us are
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: allowed to see it. So after everything happened, every time
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: I try to reach out, I would get a restraining order.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: I think I got probably eight restraining.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: Orders, and me and his mom have gotten restraining orders
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: for just sending birthday cards and stuff.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: So it's it's ridiculous, but it's exhausting, and it's got
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: to the point where she, I think, almost ran me
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: up for three thousand dollars a month for a two
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: month old and would just give false stuff for the
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: courts and then like daycare, make me pay a thousand
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: dollars for daycare a month, but she had and then
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: and then pulled her out of daycare and I had
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: to keep paying it because it was a court order.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: Stuff like that. I got all that next because I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: signed some stuff over to her. And yeah, every time
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: I try to reach out, I get a restraining order.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: In South Carolina, you can put as many restraining orders
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: as you want.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: Then the restraining orders didn't go through, she would just
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: do a restraining order force us to show up, but
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: then she wouldn't show up, so it cost us money
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: to fly down there. I flew down there twice, the Fayetteville,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: North Carolina, where she took out two restrainers on me,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: and I didn't do nothing. I didn't even reach out
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: to her nothing. But I had to show up and
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: I got an attorney down there, and this attorney says,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: she she's a quack job. I don't know what in
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: the world, but she wouldn't show up for neither one
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: of the court dates. And the judge finally threw it out.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: And she admit, and I wish I would recorded this,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: and I think my recorder didn't work that day. She
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: admitted to me that she knew the judge and she
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: was friends with that person because she was her bailiff
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: at one point. And I said, that's a that's a
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: conflict of interest. And as soon as my stuff went
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: through and she got what she wanted from that judge,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: that judge would hired. Yeah. It was like, oh, how convenient.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: But none of none of the restraining orders went through.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: We didn't that none of them. No, my mother's did
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  Speaker 3: go through.
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  Speaker 4: That oh well, because we sent a birthday card to
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  Speaker 4: her mom, and so happened that her mom she was
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  Speaker 4: living with her mom. We didn't know that. We just
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  Speaker 4: knew that her mom hadn't moved, so we sent it
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  Speaker 4: to her hoping it would reach wherever Anna was.
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  Speaker 3: She had told me that we could send mail to
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: that address for Emory and then and then spun it
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  Speaker 3: and then did a restraining order on it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so then we got then my wife got for stalking.
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  Speaker 3: So in the end we I have just I've stopped.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to stop. I make a post for
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  Speaker 3: her birthday every year. But it's just it's it's it's
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  Speaker 3: it's rough to say if no one's ever been in
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  Speaker 3: the situation. But I'm gonna wait till she reaches out
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: to me instead of me trying to re out, and
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  Speaker 3: I just I can just keep getting hit with restraining
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  Speaker 3: orders and mass right, it's just like I said, I
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: just want to be left alone. I just want to
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: move on and I won't.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: And hopefully your ex wife isn't telling lies about you,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: but she probably is. Real alienation is a real problem. Yeah,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: So like she might grow up hating you and because
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: she was told to you know, so I mean it's possible,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: but maybe she'll want to, you know, if she gets
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: abused herself, she might be interested in finding you and
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: maybe she'll put it together. Well, I guess I just
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: hope that it works out like that. You know it's
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: a little early to tell right now. Yeah, that's right,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: just keep on moving. Well, thank you so much for
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: telling us your story, Dalton, I did get one superchild.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: These are like paid messages from the audience members. So
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: ZARINX gave us five dollars superchild. Thank you, ZARYNX, and
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: he says, imagine being a male US citizen. You're forced
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: to register for selective service when you become eighteen, Otherwise
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: you're barred from any government work and services. In addition
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: to that, you're liable to being imprisoned and or a
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars or two hundred and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: sixty dollars one thousand dollars fine. You then enlist into
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: our armed forces and swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. Then,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: upon being falsely accused, you're guilty until proven innocent or
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: just guilty, and you must ambind f injustice and unarmed
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: forces visits upon you or compounds with your being falsely accused.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Then you either get back, get the black mark of
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: a dishonorable discharge, or you survive and endure years of
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: good faith.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Thank you for your service. Statements knowing that you dealt
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: what you dealt with.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I honestly wonder how veterans that go through this reconcile
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: all that. Just thinking about it and imagining it, it
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: pisses me off. It's a fucking joke. I wish you
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: the best, Alted, So thank you Zaranks for that. I'm
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: sorry you want to say something.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: To that, Yeah, well, I appreciate it very much. Yeah,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: I do think the black mark of disarmor discharges is ridiculous,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: how many how many they actually hand out.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: Knowing knowing if you're if you're in the military and
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: you're below major rank and you haven't had to deal
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: with this, you will never know this happens until you
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: hit lieutenant colonel, until you see what happens.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: Well, not even just that. Like when I was enlisted,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: I was cool. I enjoyed the army. I did it.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: I was told, I moved on on the commands, did everything. Yes,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: But as soon as I got in a leadership role
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: and saw the political and I sat in the general's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: meetings and saw what they were doing to talk to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: soldiers and I and I spoke up, and I watched
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: my lieutenant colonel lie to generals and nothing happened, and
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: I told in general. Here, I run the long range
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: shorting calendar, I run all this stuff. You want to
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: see the real truth, I'll show it to you. I
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: showed that general everything nothing Happen't you lied to a
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: general and nothing happened. No, so much corruption, it's not
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: even funny.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think they're.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Another another time.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Well we can we can, Uh, we can talk another
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: time for sure. I want to thank you guys again
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: for coming on the show and telling your story, and
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: thank you for your service such as it whatever where
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: that's worth. You know, I know I appreciate it. I'm
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: I'm still patriotic and optimistic, but I understand that there's
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: definitely like entropy that we've allowed to sort of creep
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: into all of our institutions that we need to clean up.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: So that's kind of my approaches.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Hey, let's talk about it and then try to get
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: it cleaned up if we can so, because we have to.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: We have to live here, and there's nowhere else. This
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: is it?
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: This is the United States? Is it?
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: That's like there's no there's nothing freer than this place,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: even with all the problems. So let's try to fix
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: the problems. But but yeah, I want to thank you
• 1:19:11
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• 1:19:13
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• 1:19:16
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• 1:19:18
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• 1:19:21
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