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Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 13) (7/9/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where he left off with a Leslie Groff interview with
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  Congress Miss Brignac. Were there any other organizations that promoted
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  the advancement of young women that mister Epstein was involved with?
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  Answer not that I can think of. Question did you
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  find this to be unique interest of a registered sex offender?
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  Answer that he was friends with Barbara. Question that he
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  was paying large sums of money to a school after
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  a meeting with young women that attended that school. Answer,
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  I thought he was supporting Barbara and the Stockholm School
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  of Economics. Question okay, Miss Toland. Okay, that will conclude
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  our hour. Here we'll go off the record. Question, Miss Groff,
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  you previously testified that mister Epstein was incarcerated. You stopped
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  booking Massages Forum? Is that correct? Answer? Correct? Question? I
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  would like to introduce as minority exhibit, see this email
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  exchange between you and or a DAK person from October
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  twenty first, twenty eleven. The Bates number is EFTA zero
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  zero nine two one eight one nine. Question. In this exchange,
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  you write to this person quote Jeffrey says, he called
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  you at ten thirty last night, but no answer. He's
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  wondering if you might like to stop by today redacted
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  at either three or seven. There are some back and
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  forth about scheduling, and then the person says, quote redacted
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  just got back and spoke to her now about tonight.
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  She's never done anything of this sort before and is
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  a little nervous about the whole thing. I don't know
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  what Jeffrey has planned for tonight, but is it okay
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  if they just meet it this time? She would really
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  feel more comfortable that way. You then forward the email
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  to mister Epstein, and he says, quote of course, when
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  this person said that this other person, presumably their friend
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  quote has never done anything of this sort before and
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  was quote a little nervous about the whole thing, what
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  did you understand her to mean? Answer? You got to
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  understand My day was super busy. I'm sure that I
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  barely read this email. And she gets caught off. Well,
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  you clearly registered what she said, because you forwarded her
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  question onto mister Epstein, and he said, of course, so
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  you must have registered it if you knew she was
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  making a request of you that you needed his sign
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  off for right. Answer. I'm sure that I did not
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  put that much thought into it. I'm sure that my day.
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  You got to understand, my day was not just focused
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  on this one area of appointments. I had so many
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  other things going on as well. Question I understand that
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  answer and write and so question. It doesn't answer my question, though,
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  Miss Groff, What do you think this person's friend had
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  never done before? Answer? I don't know. Question what do
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  you think this person's friend was nervous about? Answer? I
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  don't know. Question do you think that it's a fair
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  reading of this email chain that mister Epstein called someone
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  likely a girl or a young woman at ten thirty
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  at night, They didn't pick up, and then asked you
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  to contact them to schedule a massage. You did that,
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  and the thing that this person was nervous about, the
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  thing that they never done before, was massaging, mister Epstein,
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  whatever that might have meant. Is that a fair reading
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  of this email, Miss Groff? Answer? It doesn't say anything
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  about massage. I don't know what this was for. Mister Bockner.
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  Are you asking whether today she would agree that this
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  could be a fair reading of what you're saying or
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  what she knew back then. Answer or question. I mean,
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  I understand that she's testifying that she does not remember
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  this particular instance. I'm asking her, given that, given that
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  you do not remember it, and also that you did
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  schedule massages for this man for a long time, whether
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  it's fair reading of this chain that what I described
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  earlier is what happened Backner, knowing what you know now, Groff,
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  knowing what I know now? Yes, redacted question Miss Groff,
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  this email is from twenty eleven. You previously testified that
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  after mister Epstein was incarcerated, you stopped booking massages for him.
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  Answer that's correct. Question. He was incarcerated from two thousand
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  and eight to two thousand and nine. Correct answer, correct question.
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  So wouldn't it suggest that you continued to book massages
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  for him? Answer? I would not have known that this
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  was a massage. I don't know. You're assuming that I
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  would think that this was a massage, But I did
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  not think of it as a massage, I said, I
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  probably didn't put that much thought into it. I was
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  super busy. I just needed to know if you would
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  be able to meet with this person. He said, yes,
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  And I'm sure my day just moved on question. Well,
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  surely he instructed you to reach out to this person, though,
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  because you're the first one in the email. You email
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  and you say he called you last night at ten thirty.
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  Answer yes, question, So when he instructed you, wouldn't he
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  have said, hey, ms Groff, can you schedule this person
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  for a massage? Backner, I'm sorry to interrupt. If we
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  knew the redacted name, maybe that could help her know
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  what this is about. But right now it's a redacted name.
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  You're asking her to speculate as to what this possibility
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  could mean. It's kind of not fair, miss Groff. I
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  was just making an appointment for him, as requested. He
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  wanted to know if this person could come over at
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  three or seven, and as directed by him, I asked
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  if this person could come over at three or seven redacted.
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  So your testimony today is that, as far as you know,
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  this was not the Book of Massage, and you stand
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  by your earlier statement that mister Epstein was incarcerated, you
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  no longer book massages forum. Mis Groff. That is correct,
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  except for maybe the one time in Palm Beach at
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  the medical spa redacted after he was incarcerated. Did you
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  coordinate payment for massages, Miss Groff, no question. I would
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  like to introduce this minority. Exhibit D. This email exchange
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  between you and mister Epstein from September nineteenth, twenty eleven.
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  Debates number is EFTA zero one eight five five zero
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  six nine. Question. In the first email, you write to
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  mister Epstein that quote redacted would like to pick up
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  money for time spent on the island. How much should
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  I tell redacted to give her? Mister Epstein then responds
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  quote six hundred and you've mention redacted before? Can you
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  remind me what her role was? Answer? She was in
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  the accounting department. Question and the island refers to Little
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  Saint James. Correct answer correct question. What was your understanding
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  of why this person was being paid for the time
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  they spent on the island? Answer? I, unfortunately don't know
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  who this person is. I don't recall this email, and
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  I don't know what this person was doing. He had
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  architects and decorators and artists go to his island. He
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  was constantly trying to redecorate and do things there. I
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  don't know what this was for. Question. The email doesn't
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  say for any kind of specific task. Right. It doesn't
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  say for redecorating, it doesn't say for building. It says
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  for time spent on the island, and the amount to
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  six hundred correct answer correct question. When mister Epstein would
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  pay girls and women for massages where he sexually abused them,
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  he would typically pay them two or three hundred correct
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  answer correct question. So isn't it a fair reading of
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  this email? The six hundred is likely for two instances
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  where mister Epstein received a massage and sexually abused a
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  girl or a young woman. Answer. At the time, I
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  did not know that's what was occurring. I never saw
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  anything inappropriate, So my mind was not going in the
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  direction you're trying to take my mind. Everything to me
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  that I was doing, I feel like now looking through
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  a dirty lens, things looked dirty. But this time I
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  was unaware of anything that was going on. Question. So
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  this was twenty eleven, though, so you weren't aware because
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  you had been investigated or he had been investigated and arrested,
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  he had pleaded guilty to the charges, one of which
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  involved a minor. He had been incarcerated, he'd been on
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  house arrest. There was a lot of stories in the
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  news about him. So, actually you did have information about
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  who this man was and what he had done. Admittedly
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  that was not complete, but wouldn't that have informed you
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  of how to understand this email? Answer? At the time,
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  I was still being told that he had been blackmailed
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  and that this sentence was for soliciting a prostate. I
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  didn't know that these other things were occurring at the time,
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  and he lied to me, he manipulated me, and he
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  had me as well. It seems to me everyone else
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  believing that this was that things out there were being
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  said were wrong and just false. Question, and what about
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  looking back at it now, do you think that it
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  was a fair reading of the email? Is that a
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  girl or young woman who was on the island was
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  asking to be paid for instances where she was sexually abused.
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  Answer in hindsight and being able to see the big
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  picture in his emails and what everybody is saying now, Yeah,
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  it's terrible question, Okay, And this is also from twenty eleven,
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  so also for his incarceration. So then your previous statement
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  about how he didn't help pay girls who had massaged
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  him after his incarceration was incorrect. Mister Whitcomb. Objection that's
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  not what she said. You're a mischaracterizing her testimony. Redacted.
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  The rules of evidence do not apply here. Please answer
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  the question. Mister Whitcomb. Yeah, but the rules of fairness
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  apply redacted. Could you please answer the question. Witcomb object
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  to the form of the question too, it's incoherent, mister Backner, misredacted.
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  Could you just add the word knowingly. I mean her
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  testimony earlier was that she didn't knowingly do that redacted. Okay, great,
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  let's clarify that. Would you now say? Looking at the
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  email as we discussed it, what you have agreed is
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  a fair characterization of it. It appears that after he
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  was incarcerated, you did, in fact facilitate payment for a massage. Backner.
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  That's also not what she said. She said. It's a
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  fair reading to say it could have happened. It's not
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  what she knows happened or did happen. Witcomb asking for
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  speculation as well. Backner, it's redacted question. So you stand
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  by your previous testimony that you did not do that
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  after he was incarcerated. Miss Groff, that's correct. I did
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  not know what this was for. I don't recall the email.
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  I don't know Backner again, the subject line is re acted,
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  the name is redacted. Question. We understand, mister Backner, thank you.
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  You also previously testified that you had no role in
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  sponsorship or visa sponsorship. Is that correct? Graff Well, I
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  correct question. I would like to introduce as minority exhibit
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  E this email exchange between you mister Epstein Arta Bescardis
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  from April fifth, twenty nineteen. The Bates number is EFTA
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  zero zero four nine three one one two. Question. Starting
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  from the bottom of the first page, you email mister
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  Epstein the details of a physical therapy program at Lutheran
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  Hospital in Brooklyn and say, quote, would this work? Can
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  she get our visa and go to New York by
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  April fifteenth? Then you email the course information to mister
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  Biscardis and he responds, quote, I'm actually cuni's attorney. I'll
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  contact them directly, need to see if they give visas.
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  Why were you emailing this information about this program to
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  mister Epstein and asking about whether an individual could get
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  her visa and get to New York by a specific date. Groth,
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  I don't recall this email. I'm sure that mister Epstein
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  asked me to investigate this course. There's no reason that I.
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  Why else would I have investigated this course. I don't
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  know who this person is. Question did you have a
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  role in researching potential programs for girls or women connected
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  to mister Epstein that they could then use to secure visas?
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  Answer no, this is I was not asked. It looks
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  like I was asked to investigate a course as directed.
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  But this I did not speak to Arta. I merely
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  would put mister Epstein in touch with him as a
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  phone call, as somebody that he wanted to speak with.
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  But I don't know why I was asked to go
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  look at the course. Question Okay, even though you explicitly
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  reference a visa in your email to mister Epstein. Answer
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  it was probably something that I was asked by mister
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  Epstein if she could get her visa. I don't know.
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  I don't recall this question. Just a few quick questions
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  about mister biscardis what was your understanding of his role
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  at cun Why answer he was a professor. Question to
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  your knowledge, did he ever use his position at CUNY
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  to have women affiliated with mister Epstein admitted into any
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  program at that institution? Answer? I don't know. Question, to
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  your knowledge, did he ever use his position at CUNY
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  to secure visas for any woman affiliated with mister Epstein?
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  Answer I don't know. Question did you ever get his
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  contact information to anyone in mister Epstein's network? Answer I
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  don't know. Question do you have any memory of his
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  contact to Leon Black or anyone who worked for Leon Black?
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  Answer I don't know. All right, folks, we're going to
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  wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing
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  with the topic, we're going to pick up where we
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  left off. All the information that goes with this episode
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