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Ferrari’s Forgotten Foray into the Indy 500 · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  It is the month of May.
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  And what are you talking about?
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  In the month of May, the Indy 500.
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  Let's talk about Ferrari's relationship with the Indy 500, as short as it may be,
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  but interesting I guess you could say.
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  Now, those of you that don't follow F1 all that closely, or maybe it's history,
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  maybe you follow it now because of the Netflix series, drive to Survive,
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  which I watch, you know, it's brought in a lot of new F1 fans definitely.
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  But.
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  Yeah, I don't know how many of these fans are actually then looking into
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  the history of performing the one, which they should definitely should
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  because the history's awesome, and your fifties and sixties and seventies is
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  just, and the eighties is just cool and nineties, so the history is really cool.
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  But anyways, for those of you that aren't all that familiar, between 1925 and 1928.
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  More recently, 1950 to 1960, the Indianapolis 500 was actually
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  part of the F1 World Championship.
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  You could score points to go towards the championship at the Indy 500 racing Unit.
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  No one really did for coming over from Europe, and one of the really
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  only reasons that they included that.
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  In.
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  It was, the fact was that way they could say, Hey, we are a world championship.
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  You know?
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  So they could say they have races on all these continents because
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  they didn't have one at that point yet in the United States.
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  But they needed to have something to kind of, I guess, justify their title.
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  They said, well, let's just include the Indy 500 it, but no one raced it.
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  No, especially now, no one does because it always falls on the
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  same weekend as the Grand Prix.
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  Back then it did not.
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  There was really no issues with it.
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  I mean, I guess I should take that back.
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  Maybe there was a little bit of issue.
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  'cause the way qualifying was back in the day, you know, qualifying used to happen
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  over multiple weeks for the Indy 500.
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  You know, they condensed it way down this day and age just to
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  kind of reduce costs in that.
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  But back in the day, you know, you had.
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  You're qualifying bump day car.
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  You had all these things.
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  So I mean, it was pretty hectic.
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  And you had the month of May was for the Indy 500.
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  You know, now you have like three races for IndyCar in the month of May.
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  Now.
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  It used to be, it was only the Indy 500.
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  'cause you had practice, you had qualifying, you had bump
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  day, you had all these things.
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  So a little bit different.
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  We're not so much worried about 19 25, 9 28.
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  'cause you know, that was kind of a very, very different time in F1.
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  I don't wanna say in in its infancy, so to speak.
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  'cause it really wasn't so much, there really wasn't an F1 world championship.
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  Let's just say 1950.
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  1960 is what we're gonna focus on more.
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  'cause that's when, you know, really had the F1 world championship and
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  that's the time when, you know, Ferrari was getting rather dominant.
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  In Formula One, they wanted to have some representation over here.
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  'cause one, hey, it is part of World Championship, but two, the prize
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  money that was up at that time, I wanna say the 1952 race, it was
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  over $230,000 was the prize pool.
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  So I, and I can't remember what the winner got, but I mean, the amount
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  of money that a driver could win.
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  Back then was more, if not two to three times as much as they
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  could win over in Europe, if they won every race they entered.
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  I mean, it was huge, huge dollars.
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  And one thing was exposure.
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  Everything along those lines.
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  You had a lot of guys, especially into the sixties when you had the great
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  Jimmy Clark, you know, all those guys coming over and winning stuff because
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  they could win a ton more money than they could racing over in Europe.
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  You know, it was a different time back then.
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  They raced everything and anything.
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  But let's kind of get back into.
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  The 1952 Indy 500.
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  Prior to the Indy 500, I mean, the 1952 Indy 500 Fari had poked around with
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  possibly going in and look at the rules and regulations, everything like that.
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  But in 1952, they wanted to make a very serious effort.
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  They basically had one full fledged factor backed entry with Alberto Ascari.
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  It was the, uh, Ferrari 3 75 that they had sent over there.
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  That was the one that they were going to go with.
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  But there was also three private entries of these cars that
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  were sold to independent teams.
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  I guess you could say it was by Johnny Parsons.
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  Johnny Morrow and Bobby Ball were also, but they didn't qualify.
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  Lack of speed, and not to say that Asari was all that quick either.
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  He only qualified 25th to meet the regulations and rules for the Indy 500.
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  They had to modify.
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  The 3 75, they linked in the chassis a bit.
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  They did a few other things.
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  Obviously increased their weight.
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  But one of the big issues that the car had was the biani wire wheels.
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  Now, when they got to the track in early May, other competitors, 'cause you know,
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  back then everybody helped everyone.
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  Everyone was gonna go around.
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  You guys, they're gonna give you, hey, support, help, whatever you need.
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  Because you know, you know, I. It's like a family environment and they told
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  those guys don't run those wire wheels.
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  They will not last.
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  They won't be able to put up with it.
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  And they didn't listen.
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  They were telling 'em to switch to, you know, hella brain, magnesium wheels.
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  They just didn't listen an interesting point because that's what ended
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  up taking him out of the race.
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  So, as I said, you know, Asari qualified 25th, he had worked his way up to ninth.
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  So he was moving ahead, he was getting there, he was raising out
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  how much, you know, retirement, what have you, everything like that.
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  He got to lap 40, so there's 200 laps, not quite halfway, little more
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  quarterway, but then the wheels failed it.
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  It really wasn't that long of a race.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Kind of like a side note was kinda interesting for this is they were
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  running the F1 world championship.
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  There were two races that a scar did not win outta that championship
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  that year outta the eight world championship races that year.
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  1952, there's only two that Ari didn't win.
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  Now one was Pierro to Rufi, won in a Ferrari, and all the other races won by
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  Ferrari 'cause Karri won the last six.
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  But anyways, the one in Switzerland, May 8th, was won by Pierro to
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  Rufi in the Ferrari on May 18th.
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  And the reason Karri couldn't be there because he had to be in
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  Indianapolis to qualify for the race.
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  So he wasn't at that one.
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  And then the second race that goes towards the championship was the Indy 500.
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  And so that was run by Troy Rutman won that race, but obviously.
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  Ari retired in Lap 40 'cause of his bari white wheels.
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  But the interesting fact is the last six races of the year, Ari won them all and
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  that no, no competition, what have you.
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  But that's just how brilliant of a driver aari he was.
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  I mean, the guy's legendary.
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  Now you got those guys back there, sari.
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  You know, Newville, Gio, I mean, you just got some of
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  those big names back in the day.
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  What those guys could do, driving those cars.
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  Unbelievable.
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  I mean, just absolutely unbelievable.
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  But yeah, so I was, that was, you know, kind of an interesting fact too for
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  the F1 World Championship was that was pretty much in essence, he didn't win.
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  All the races, he won the majority of 'em.
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  And you know, the only one really in my eyes f won the race that he didn't win
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  every four World Championship was won in Switzerland when he was qualifying.
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  You really can't consider the Indianapolis race part of the World Championship
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  'cause no one came over from Europe to run it, to include it in their points.
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  It was just too much or concerted effort you had to miss the one race because of
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  qualifying everything along those lines.
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  But anyways, back to.
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  Mr. Ska and the Indy 500.
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  And like I said, you know, there was three other private entrants that
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  were also bought, purchased Ferraris.
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  They could not get up to speed at all.
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  It was a head scratcher.
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  Indy is a very unique place, and I think Europeans, I don't
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  wanna say took it for granted.
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  Oh, you just turning left, you know, hard.
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  Could it be, but you know, Indie's a very unique track.
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  One, you have a card that lasts, you know, it's that thing.
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  You have to finish first.
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  You gotta first finish during practice.
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  And qualifying, they were scratching their heads 'cause they were not
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  anywhere near qualifying times.
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  They just did not have the speed.
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  So they kept plugging away, plugging away.
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  They got a lot of input and help from a bunch of American guys in the
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  garages there trying to, you know, help them out, which is really cool.
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  You'd have to imagine.
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  The mechanics and the individuals that were in the garage for Ferrari
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  probably didn't speak any English.
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  Maybe a little, but probably hardly any, if any at all.
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  So obviously you have that language barrier, you know, such a different time.
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  You gotta think about this, Italy, you're 1952, you're only, you know what,
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  seven years removed from World War ii.
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  Italy was with Germany.
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  I mean, there's still a lot of contention there with Americans towards Italian.
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  So.
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  That would've been interesting to see how that dynamic played out.
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  You know, obviously racing, racing and people, hey, respect racers
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  and, you know, everything like that.
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  But, um, different times back then.
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  It'd be interesting to see how that was.
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  But again, what they had to do to modify that car to get it
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  to meet the, uh, regulations.
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  Ford, the Indy 500 really, really hampered that car and really kind of dug a hole
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  for it to try and make that thing last.
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  And that more than likely also played a role in the wheels not
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  being able to put up with it.
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  That's a lot of GForce.
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  I mean, you have a front engine V 12 car, I think it was a right wheel
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  hub that failed, which would make sense 'cause you're turning left.
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  All that force, all the weight's getting pushed out there, you're turning.
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  So it's giving that awkward pressure on it as you're also not only leaning
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  on it, but you're turning as well.
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  So it's creating that force against it.
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  I don't know why they didn't bother changing the wheels.
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  I mean, I don't know if it's something different, but you know, the other
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  thing too, maybe it also had played a role in is, you know, they ran
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  a different tire over in Europe.
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  'cause uh, Indianapolis kind of had a Firestone tire only type deal going on.
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  So they had to run those instead of what they ran over in England.
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  For whatever reason, Enzo was in bed with the tire bang, financial
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  Engelbert for a long time.
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  But by this point in time, I wanna say they were running
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  the Michelins, I think it was.
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  Don't quote me on that.
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  So they had to switch to the different tires.
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  So I think that could have played a role with things as well.
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  As we know tires can play a big role in how a cars
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  manufacture, everything like that.
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  Competing, I guess you would say in 8,500.
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  That was pretty much his 1952 race.
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  Now, that's not to say they didn't flirt with it a few more times,
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  'cause again, a lot of money.
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  Back then, Enzo had set up his driver contract.
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  He didn't pay him much, but they got to keep, I think, three quarters of
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  the prize money of the first money that they would win something on
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  his Zions and then obviously fire.
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  He gets to court wherever it was.
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  They had something like that in the contract to do it.
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  So obviously the amount that you can win at that was a big
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  chunk of money on both ends.
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  They didn't do anything 53 or 54, but they started flirting with it with a little bit
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  in 55 and 56, not using their own chassis, but using, I. A Ferrari engine, you know,
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  they compared it up and tried it out.
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  Did a little bit of thing with the Curtis Craft, you know, that was the chassis
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  to have back then, but they went with the inline six instead of the V 12.
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  This time, a little lighter engine, everything like that, less weight,
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  you know, they were pumping some good horsepower on that, and I
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  don't know why I dropped it down.
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  Maybe that had to do with regulations too as well.
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  But they tried to do the car.
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  That they were using in sports, car racing.
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  That was the engine they were using.
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  And obviously in sport, car racing, endurance racing, you have a
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  motor that can last a long time.
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  It's very, very durable.
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  So made sense.
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  It really didn't go anywhere.
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  Due to the F1 race season, having their hands full Mercedes and F1 at Lamont.
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  So obviously, again, you know, that's prepared.
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  You know, Lamont was huge for Ferrari, so it really didn't go anywhere.
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  Now, in 1956, I believe it was, maybe it was 57.
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  The Maserati brothers, obviously now that they were out of
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  Maserati, they had nothing to do with it 'cause it got sold off.
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  They put together a Ferrari Asari made the attempt to qualify and
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  he was five miles an hour slower than the the slowest qualifier.
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  So he wasn't even close to making the field.
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  So again, not understanding an oval track, maybe, I don't know.
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  Back then he didn't have 20 engineers and all that kinda stuff, working
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  on these cars and trying to sort things out and having sensors all
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  over the car, but it was just slow.
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  Again, maybe it was weight heavy again, you know, just everything.
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  Trying to modify an existing.
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  Chassis that we're using on road and courses and that trying to make an oval
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  car, you know, everyone running over here, United States is running oval.
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  So these cars were designed just to run oval.
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  So it wasn't happening a, again, embarrassment, I don't know, not so much.
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  'cause Ferra didn't have its huge presence over here in the States.
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  Yet, it just wasn't happening yet.
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  Connet, getting his stuff together, setting up shop over here, I wanna
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  say in its infancy, but he was getting in there and everything like
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  that, so that really wasn't there.
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  'cause that'd been interesting.
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  Connet taking a crack at the Indy 500.
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  And for those of you, I. Yeah, listen, stay tuned.
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  We got an episode coming up in the near future with Mr. Luigi Kennet
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  Jr. And Bill Warner on the same show.
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  It's gonna be a good one.
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  But anyways, there was another instance that, so from my understanding, in 1968,
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  Ferrari approached the Granite Tall.
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  Those who don't know, the grant tallies, the family behind STP.
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  And he was very interested about that turbine car because you
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  know, Enzo was an engine guy and let's see what's going on there.
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  And granted says, well how big's the checkbook?
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  And that just went nowhere because obviously at this time when you're getting
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  in that thing, that's when you know Ferrari was having big, big money issues.
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  Whipping out the checkbook to do.
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  It just wasn't gonna happen.
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  Now here, here's a really funny story.
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  How much of is it true?
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  Who knows?
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  But it is just one of those ones that you know what you want.
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  Know what?
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  It's true, who cares?
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  It's a great story.
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  In 1973, variety won.
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  Have interest into 1973, Indy 500.
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  What it was is Franco Roci Rocky roi.
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  It's R-O-O-C-C-H-I.
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  I get my Italian sex, so Roci.
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  Roki, I don't know how you might pronounce it, but they asked Mario Andretti to go
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  around with AKA Uncle Franco, as they were telling everybody that they would go meet.
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  And all the engine shops, the builders, everything like that, they were all
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  saying this is Mario Rettis, uncle Franco.
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  And just kind of digging in and to see about building it and do it.
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  And obviously Mario's well loved, so everyone's open
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  arms, everything like that.
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  But nothing came about it.
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  But I think that's just a great story.
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  I. And if you kinda look at some photos, Franco looks a little bit like Mario.
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  He's got the same kind of hair, so I could see how they pulled it off.
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  It's just a great story.
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  Getting into the eighties, I don't know how many people are aware of it, but
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  there's this big row between the FIA Formula One, all this stuff, and, and so,
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  hey, we're gonna go pull out all this.
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  You know, he always did it.
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  They went as far, they built an act.
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  An Indy car for 1986 was a 6 3 7.
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  Did a race, but I don't know how many laps it did at ano.
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  Some say Bobby RA Hall was supposed to do some laps.
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  It, it didn't come to fruition, but look that car up 'cause it's beautiful.
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  That is a gorgeous looking Indy car.
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  That would've been awesome to see them running that thing in Indy car
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  'cause it is absolutely stunning.
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  Who knows?
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  It came about it.
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  The uh, program kind of was dropped and all the engine stuff like
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  that was transferred over to Alpha Romeo, which they never really got
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  anywhere in IndyCar with that engine.
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  But that's something really cool.
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  You should take a peek at check out the IndyCar Ferrari built for the 1986 season.
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  It is gorgeous.
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  Now, I don't know where that car's at now.
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  I don't know if it's sitting over in the museum, anything like that.
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  You don't ever hear hardly anything about it unless you dig it up.
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  So they went out their knows where that car is sitting.
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  If it is in the museum, let me know.
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  I'd love to see this thing in person because this thing is cool.
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  I mean, I don't know if they scrapped it, you know, back in that day,
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  Hey, just a race car and whatnot.
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  They scrap it for parts, who knows?
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  But that would really, really be cool to see.
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  Now, I know recently Ferrari, Florida with it because of the engine regulations
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  that IndyCar was proposing, and I know there was a big push for IndyCar courting
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  Ferrari, about having them come in 'cause of the name, everything like that.
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  But it just really didn't go anywhere.
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  Because obviously all the money they put in F1, but now with the cost cap in F1,
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  you know, hey, maybe there was that thing, but obviously we know what happened.
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  Ferrari went into world endurance, which was fantastic.
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  It's off sea, back to Lama winning Lamont, everything like that.
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  So that was awesome to see.
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  Anyway.
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  That was our little foray into Ferrari at the Indianapolis 500.
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  Like I said, it's a pretty cool story.
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  It's, it's not a very lengthy story because the only race, basically the
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  one time they tried to qualify twice, but it really didn't get anywhere.
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  He was out, you know, the scar was out in left forward.
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  But like I said, I think the cool thing was is how dominant a scar was in F1.
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  Back then, he couldn't race the first race in Switzerland because he was
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  qualifying for the race, and then obviously he was racing in the Indy 500,
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  which wasn't conflicting or anything.
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  The Indy 500 was a points race.
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  He falls out in LAP 40.
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  Then subsequent the rest of the year, he wins the last six races of the
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  season and becomes world champion.
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  It would've been cool if they would've made a few more attempts at it.
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  I just don't think what went into it to really make a concerted effort, I
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  don't think it was there that much.
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  You know, I think it would've been interesting if some people had made more
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  of an effort using the Ferrari motor.
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  Maybe, again, it's such a different discipline from F1 to racing over here
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  in oval racing, everything like that.
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  You know, there's so many.
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  Specifics you built for an oval car, like compared to one that's going left
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  and right would've been interesting to see that top made 'cause that would've
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  been for a great story and great history and talk about catapulting Ferrari
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  into the minds and hearts of Americans.
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  If Ferrari had.
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  Even like say finishing the podium, something like that, or actually had
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  a very strong showing in the fifties, early sixties or something like that, if
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  they really made a strong attempt at it.
• 19:03
  I don't know how much bigger Ferrari would've been here in the states.
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  Kennet did an awesome job, you know, with them and obviously with Nat, but
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  that would've been an interesting story and how much that might've would've
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  catapulted or sprung them more into the minds and hearts of Americans and sped up.
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  Ferrari's market share or whatever you wanna call it back then, you
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  know, obviously it was minuscule 'cause they, they built hardly
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  any cars, but it'd be cool to see.
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  But anyways, like I said, as I always do, if you ever wanna reach
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  me, you have any questions, ideas, answers, or anything like that,
• 19:31
  uh, corrections, please correct me.
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  Just it's william@theferrarimarketplace.com.
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  Shoot me an email.
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  I'd love to hear from everybody.
• 19:39
  Like I said, we got some cool stuff coming up.
• 19:41
  They tuned, not quite sure when we're gonna get, we still have
• 19:44
  to record the episode with Mr. Kti Junior and Bill Water, but
• 19:47
  that's gonna be a really good one.
• 19:49
  My producer, Eric, and myself, are gonna be interviewing these guys, so that's
• 19:52
  gonna be a really, really good one.
• 19:54
  That might be our first one we foray into.
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  Actually have a video as well on the YouTube channel because I think
• 19:59
  that'd be kind of cool to have.
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  So I've been dabbling with that and going that route.
• 20:03
  So again, remember, check out the Ferrari marketplace.com, exotic car
• 20:07
  marketplace.com, check out everything going on at those two sites.
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  A lot of cool stuff happening, a lot of stuff getting out.
• 20:13
  We've got some cool stuff on there until we speak again.
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