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LIVE August Community Hour Replay (Apeel, Hope After Relocation, Plowing for Seed, and MORE) · Beyond Labels Premium

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Full disclosure, I'm losing my voice and we are recording two podcasts tomorrow.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I asked Nolan to step in so I didn't have to talk as much.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm yeah, I'm happy to.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's see.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so um you guys can either email contactbeyondlabels at gmail, you can email Dr.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: Cena, or you can let us know over on Discord if you're interested in um becoming a Beyond Labels chapter leader.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um we're gonna try to flesh out what that looks like a little more in the future, but I think a lot of it's gonna be we're gonna be the the hub, the contact point for everybody.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: And um from there, we're gonna uh find different people in different parts of the country and then connect them to the chapter leaders, and then the chapter leaders will be leading within their different communities.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's at least my understanding at this point.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyways, uh let us know either email or Discord if you're interested in becoming a chapter leader.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: So uh we're gonna go ahead and if anybody wants to raise their hand, we'll go to you for a question for Joel or Cena or both.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: All right, we've got Doug over there.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_06: Lead the way.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_06: Yep, go for it.
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  SPEAKER_06: Afternoon, Joel.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I got I got a question about uh, you know, the whole appeal spray on that's going on in our organic food.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_06: Uh uh, a lot of people don't see that as a big deal, but it has elements in it that are not uh organic and really should negate the classification of the uh produce itself as being organic.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_06: Uh uh we'll probably not be able to do anything about that.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_06: Uh what are your thoughts?
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_07: Well, we did a we did a whole podcast on that that ran a little bit counter to some of the the things that the uh organic community is saying.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_07: And uh Cena, maybe you could jump in on this one because you kind of did a lot of that a lot of that uh background.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_07: We actually had the inventor of appeal on our podcast.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_07: And uh well, you know what's interesting is that a lot of people don't realize this, that that as as so that they were trying to create something that would reduce food waste, and that's that's a commendable thing.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_07: Um and in order to in order to get this thing into FDA approval, they had to fill out paperwork on the on on experimentation of it.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_07: And the the paperwork was not at all um it was a round peg and a square hole.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_07: And so they had to mark things and do things that they had to do in order to get in order to get the experiment started.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_07: Now that they're in under manufacturing, a lot of that stuff is not being used at all.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_07: And they've completely changed the formulation, but the original the original um ingredients, the original stuff is still out there in the you know in the universe.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_07: And um and in general, what and Cena, you you jump in here, um what Cena and I found was that it was it was pretty benign and not nearly as not nearly the problem that um some of the that some of the purists are screaming about.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_07: Um that that's kind of my my takeaway at this point.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_07: And and and while peop you know people say, oh, that you know that's just clever.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_07: No, no, no.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_07: Listen, if you've ever tried to start something with the government that you've got to get a license for, um it's very easy for me to imagine that the that the check boxes and the things to to um you know whatever to to adhere to were um were straining were straining the uh the system and they could not be done on a small scale, but they can be done on a larger scale.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_07: And um so that's where I am.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_07: Uh Cena, what have you got?
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I have um, and I actually have my notes from that uh podcast that I just pulled up, where we go through and we talked about like what's in the conventional edible coatings, and we break that down into different um categories of substances that are already on the um on and in the coating of apples and other uh produce that you would typically find in the grocery store shelves.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: So um I highly recommend going back and listening to that podcast.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: We could post the number.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember the episode number off the top of my head, but um, I thought we did a great job of actually getting down to the nitty-gritty of what is currently out there, like before appeal even came out, what was already on the produce, right?
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_02: So, where was the starting point?
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's what a lot of people don't actually talk about, is what was already on the produce.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then we went through an item by item with this founder of what is in yours and how are these classified um under the government system.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and some of it is that so Joel and I, I think we are in full alignment here.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: We don't want anything on our produce, right?
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_02: We just want it natural, the way that God made it, take right off that tree, right?
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like, don't adulterate it with anything.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so we both like to uh frequent local farmers, for instance, and grow our own whenever it's possible.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's not the system that we have.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: So in our system, oftentimes things are picked from far away, they're picked when they're not ripe, they're shipped, and so they're coated in this wax to help protect them from getting damage bumps and bruises, but also to control the rate of the ripening, for example.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then a lot of times they're gassed and whatnot to ripen them on demand.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so there's already a coating on them.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_02: And so in this podcast, we did go to great lengths to talk about what's already on there, and it could be a combination of different types of chemicals, including grass chemicals, including fungicides, and then we talk about what's in appeal.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: Joel and I are not like really supporting any of them.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: We are we don't want this to come across as that we're supporting appeal.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_02: We literally were just doing a comparison between the two and letting everybody decide for themselves which one they would prefer to eat.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, again, I prefer nothing on my produce.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'm with you on that.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_06: My major concern, of course, is that just you have step one and I and processes that get started.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_06: And with people out there, of course, then talking about well, mRNA vaccines being sprayed on things and all kinds of other things that could happen if you slowly open up the door to this type of thing.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_06: Well, okay, we're gonna we're gonna prove appeal and then we're gonna prove this plus, and it gets it gets to be a slippery slope, and that's my a little bit my concern.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_06: I was wanting to have your knowledge and of course uh take on it.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_06: Next week I'm with a whole group of doctors down in Las Vegas, and it'll become a topic of discussion.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_06: So I appreciate it.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, are you on Discord?
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'll I'll find the episode number and post it onto Discord so that you have like the detailed information that that may be helpful to you in having those discussions um with those doctors.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because we went through great detail.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I think I included the links there.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: If not, let me know and I'll post the links to the research.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: I did a real deep dive on this one and found the government documents and was figuring out like how are you classifying this as like the vitamin C, I believe the classified as a fungicide.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so it was a real deep dive.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: How are they actually classifying these compounds and what are they?
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so if you want those links, if they're not in the show notes, just send me a message.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, we'll do.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, very good, very good.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's uh episode 118 is the interview, I believe.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, great.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, all right, so we actually have a joke this week from the pirate farmer.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so it goes like this A man went out for a walk and it started to rain.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't have a hat, an umbrella, a hoodie, or anything else he could use to cover his head, but no hair on his head got wet.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: How is this possible?
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: And the answer is he was bald.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: You got it.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now we're not gonna ask Joel why why he got that so quick.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna spit my water out.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_07: My dad, my dad always told the joke about the guy that got up every morning and he and he had one one hair on his head, and he would run to the mirror and and make sure that it was still there every day.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_07: And then one day he went and it was gone, and he ran into his wife and said, Oh no, I'm bald.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's awesome.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh very good.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go over to let's uh I guess we'll prioritize the chat a little bit today.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: So let's uh uh go over to Melissa Ford.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead and ask your question.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: I saw you had one in the chat as well, but I'm assuming they're similar things.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: So uh Melissa, go ahead.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, they're the same.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was uh wondering, I had just two quick questions for Joel.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know uh we saw that he had eggs in stores, and I was wondering how does he get his eggs in stores without a license?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: In Kansas, after 250 hens, we have to have a license.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know if Virginia was similar.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then also, how does he prevent chickens from inbreeding and know the one-year-old hens from the two-year-old hens?
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  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, first of all, um we don't ask and we don't tell about licensing.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_07: So we just do what we're gonna do, and if bureaucrat, if a bureaucrat doesn't like it, we'll find out soon enough.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_07: So, as far as I know, in Virginia, no license is required at any level um unless you make a claim.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_07: So if you make a claim, you know, grade A, large, uh, well, grade A or large or or any kind of claim, that's when you have a license.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_07: So we make no claims.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_07: All we say is these are eggs.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_07: We make no claims.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_07: They're not larges, they're not mediums, they're not grade A, they're not anything.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_07: They're just eggs.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_07: And so if you make no claim, then there's no licensing because you the license is to prove the efficacy of your grading system.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_07: So um, to my knowledge, the only thing that we're supposed to do is participate.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_07: Once you get over 600 dozen a week, you're supposed to participate in the egg checkoff program, uh, where you send a, I don't know what, is a penny a dozen or something to the checkoff program.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_07: We don't do that, and um and we dare them to come and get us because the egg checkoff program definitely does not promote our kind of eggs.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_07: It only promotes industrial kind of eggs.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_07: And the pork checkoff program has already gone through the litigation on this, and the farmers who don't have industrial factory farms uh that have that that have been um that have had to pay into the checkoff program, they actually sued and won um against the checkoff program because they this is two different products.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_07: Uh one's a you know, uh one's a pasture-based and one's a factory-based, and and the the checkoff program does not even it it even condemns pasture-based systems because the pigs are outside and they might get sick because a red-winged blackbird flew over them and pooped, you know.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_07: And um, and so so the two completely competitive products, nobody should be compelled to send money to a competitive product that is bad mouthing your product.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, that's just so anyway, they won, and so we we don't we don't fool with the checkoff either.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_07: Now, as far as inbreeding, um let's think about this just a minute.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_07: Excuse me.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_07: In wild populations, let's say deer, does anybody come in and say, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, that buck might breed his daughter.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_07: We'd better helicopter that buck out of there and take him 500 miles away so that daughter, you know, can't have an incestuous deal with her dad.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_07: Uh nobody does that.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_07: So um, how does nature work?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_07: Well, nature works there there's enough uh variety, enough chance of the buck not breeding his daughter, that it's not a problem, or at least it doesn't happen very often.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_07: And so a lot of this is um is chance, you know, just just the roll of the dice, and then how often it happens.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_07: So in our uh layers that we're breeding, is your question about laying hens, inbreeding and laying hens?
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're looking at raising our own hens and just breeding them with roosters with laying hens.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_07: So yeah, so so a lot of that, uh if you're if you have a very small flock, let's say you've got you know 20 chickens and two roosters that you're wanting to breed, then inbreeding can be a real, real problem.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_07: But if you have if you have a situation where we have um you know 900 laying hens being bred by you know 90 roosters, there's enough variety there that it becomes more like a natural system.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_07: So your your chances of inbreeding become way, way less.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, there are people now, even in in cattle, that are running what are called wild bred systems, where you know, if you've got a huge operation with, you know, uh 2,000 cows, uh you start getting to such a a huge number that the inbreeding chance becomes extremely small, and you can just and they just run those herds like a like a wild herd, you know, and just let them go, let them do whatever they're gonna do.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_07: Um there are not very many people like that.
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  SPEAKER_07: Of course, there are not many big herds, herds that big either.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, but um it that there does come a certain um a certain numerical element that reduces the risk of inbreeding.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well right, we're gonna go over to Discord real quick.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so this question is from Casey again over on Discord.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: We live out in the farmlands of eastern North Carolina.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Our modest two acres is surrounded by conventional farms spraying their hearts away.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: Chicken and pig houses are a stone's throw in every direction.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: I've already protested the farmer that comes and sprays the field that backs up to our property line every other week.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: A few months ago, after he literally sprayed us as we worked in our garden located near the field, I made him come down from his tractor, attempted to educate educate him only in vain, leaving him with, You're not a steward of this land, you're just a machine operator.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Stop spraying us.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: I felt my words fell like the seeds on the hard ground he ravages from Luke 8.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: As it's not his land nor his crop, apparently, and no one seems to know whose it is.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: Getting to the question, what can I actively do?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: I've written and called my representatives, I've made t-shirts and stickers, I sell in my store, I've thought of putting up billboards on our property for all of the tractors and Smithfield trucks that pass by.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Some ideas, you know, stop spraying us, make milk legal again, food freedom now.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the only uh th the only thing else I can think of is to not just buy into the system anymore, encourage other others to do the same.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: But I feel like this is against Big Ag as a Goliath of a monster.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_07: Uh so a lot there.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_07: All right, so uh uh a couple of things here.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_07: Um there is there are few few things as unappreciated as unsolicited advice.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_07: So when you go to that operator and complain, um he just thinks you're a nut.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_07: Because he thinks he's saving the you gotta realize he he's not evil, he's not a bad man.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_07: He actually do does believe that he's saving the planet from starvation and from bugs and insects and everything else.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_07: So so uh, you know, he he thinks he's doing well.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_07: So a couple things.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_07: One is it is illegal for spray to come onto your land.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_07: So I'm not a fan of the extension office, but I do know that in other parts of the country at least, when you contact your extension office on this issue, they can come out and take samples and determine whether or not you've been sprayed.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_07: There is, and then you can swear out a warrant uh in um at the magistrate's office for trespass, for uh, for chemical trespass.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_07: Uh it is illegal.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_07: It is illegal for spray to go on somebody else's land.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_07: That's why good farmers have buffer strips um to to protect themselves, you know, like a 20-foot buffer buffer so that nothing goes on the neighbor's land.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_07: Uh this is so there are avenues to move on this, and I would suggest that you not I I I think your effort to, you know, have t-shirts and billboards and things like that, it that's um that's too it it's too scattered.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, you need to be laser focused here.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_07: You need to laser focus, you need to go to the property owner, you need to go to the boss of that distributor, you need to go to the extension nervous, you you need to to collect some samples, send them to a lab, confirm here's what it is.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_07: It was sprayed on such and such a date, take pictures, document it, write a letter so that they're on notice, send it certified, so they have to acknowledge that they received it.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, I I think that your remedy here, I mean, if you want to pursue this, your remedy is going to be not public shaming because they think it's shameful that you want to starve the world.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_07: So there's there's no there's no shaming here.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and so your recourse is actually to start powers that be moving in a in a litigious um trajectory to put some fear in these guys and help them to know that you're serious and we're coming after you.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, let's go to Dr.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: Ann Miller.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: You had your hand up.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead and uh ask your question.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_05: Wonderful.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you, Paul.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_05: Um Joel, this is a question for you again.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_05: And as you know, I'm in Florida, and Florida lately has been doing some really dumb things.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_05: So now our FDAX, our Florida Department of Agricultural Consumer Services, is changing the limited poultry exemption.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_05: You'll love this.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_05: Have you heard?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, yes, I I have.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_07: Um and so the question is can the state can the state um essentially nullify the federal exemption?
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, and and what is if for for those of you that that don't know and aren't stuck here in Florida, um they are now going to make it that those of us that process on farm must leave our chickens intact.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_05: I have to sell them with their head on, their feet on, and their viscera intact.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_05: Who is gonna want to buy my chicken?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_07: Well, uh a Chinese.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_07: That's the way they sell them in China.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_07: You know, in China, in China they sell uh they sell rabbits.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_07: Uh they have to leave the ears on the rabbits so that they can prove it's not a cat in China.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_07: Um uh, you know, uh Ann, I had not heard that particular thing.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_07: Uh somebody, oh I know, I got an email from somebody in Kentucky where Kentucky was going to require HACC plans and all sorts of things, basically to nullify public law 90-492 that allows a producer grower to process uh up to up to 20,000 chickens of their own raising on their farm and sell it to an end user, which includes hotels, restaurants, and institutions, as well as you know, uh individual families.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_07: I have I had not this is new to me, and I I thought, yeah, I thought I'd know about that, but this is new to me that so you have to leave the heads and the then the feet on, yes, and the viscera intact.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_04: So what I was gonna suggest you can't gut the chicken either.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_05: Can't cut the chicken either.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_05: Well and to me I I fear for the consumer who is taking it home as it warms up with its viscera inside on its way home.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_05: I'm in Florida.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_05: When I'm selling a chicken, it's 90 degrees outside.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_05: So my thought was, you know, Ginger Shields at Pastor Life.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_05: She is really heading the um, she of course has served on the board of APPPA, and uh she is really heading the fight for us, and she might be a great guest for our Beyond Labels podcast because as Florida goes, sometimes so goes the rest of the country.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_05: So even if you don't live in Florida, we can't let this happen here and we need to nip it in the butt.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_07: Well, and Florida is a fairly conservative state.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_07: So for Florida to do this, um doesn't say much for you know Colorado and Michigan.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_07: Um here's where, you know, as I I would encourage you to create a transactional mechanism that is not a sale.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_07: So have your have your customers pay a caretakers fee or or something, pre pre-buy the chicken and pay you a janitorial fee.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_07: Um to so so that you're not actually selling a chicken, you're selling a service and giving the chicken away.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_07: Uh that's that's what that's the way I would go after this.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_05: We have gotten pretty creative.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_05: We do a lot under the pet food laws.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_05: I'm actually registered as a pet food establishment, um, just so that I could start spatchcocking and parting out my chickens.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_05: I don't do individual parts, but I spatchcock and do them by half.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_07: Right, right.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_05: And it's not even like we have an option.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_05: We have no processors.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_05: There are no, I can't take my fruits to anybody.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_07: That's right.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_05: The closest, the closest to me is over four hours away, and their minimum is 300 chickens in a shipment.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_05: And for small producers down here, we just don't have any other option.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, well, the nice thing is that Florida has been very, very friendly, at least so far, with the pet food um exemptions.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_07: So I would just, hey, they've they've given you a game plan.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_07: I would just use it, uh, sell them as sell it as pet food.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_06: Can you sign them all on to a PMA?
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_07: Make it a private membership agreement and just so so PMAs are very, very um targeted right now.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_07: And and um, you know, when we had all those PMA gurus at the rogue food conference two years ago, basically the upshot was if you do a PMA, you've just painted a big red target on your back.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_07: Because listen, when you thumb your when you thumb your nose at taxes, minimum wage, workmen's comp, social security, and everything that a PMA thumbs their nose at, IRS, those are very large, big um agencies, and they don't like you thumbing your nose at them.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_07: And so so Florida has a has a great pet food, pet food uh loophole.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, they're you raw milk people are using it, it's used all over.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_07: And so I I would I would just run through that and I I agree it's a battle that needs to be fought, but but you you um you do you do what you can with what you've got where you are uh while the battle's being fought.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_07: And you've got a great pet food uh exemption, so uh, so run with it.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_05: I just wanted to make sure to bring it to your attention and hear more from Gina.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_07: Thank you.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_07: I did not know that.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_07: That's thank you.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_07: That's great.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_07: And while we have uh it's not it's not great, but it's great that you made us aware of it.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, thank you.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: And uh while we had Doug here for a second, he also was wondering about the Prime Act.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Is it is the Prime Act uh dead?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Did it get into the farm bill, or is it still stuck in committee?
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_07: You know, I don't know.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know, but uh Thomas Massey is gonna be here at our farm September 12, and I will definitely catch up with Tom on all things, all things Thomas Massey when he's here September 12.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_06: Very good.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_06: We intend to be there too, Joel.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_07: So uh oh good at the Brownstone event, right?
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, boy, that that's become uh we got uh that thing sold out at 400.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_07: They got a huge waiting list.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_07: That thing has just gone like a like a rocket, and we're so excited about it.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_07: It's gonna be it's gonna be a fun weekend.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I was talking to Dordy there in Australia just last week, and he's excited about coming too.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so Mary Ward had a question for both Joel and Cena, but also for the community too.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: So if you if any of you want to chime in as well.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um so she says wait, and Nolan, real fast.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I I looked up the uh the bill under Congress, and at least in the House, it's saying that nothing's happened since May.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well, since it was referred to subcommittee.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: So at least that's what it's currently reporting on their website, if that's up to date.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: From uh Mary Ward, she says, I am I'm the one who is hopefully not beating a dead horse too much, but I posed the topic of relocation a couple months ago and asked for positive stories and support on the Discord chat the other day.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Cena, do you have anything to offer those of us who are considering or making the move to relocate?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm struggling with leaving where I've been rooted all my life, but there are many positives this move can offer.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: If it's Domain from Massachusetts, so one of the better states for food sovereignty, small producer exemptions, etc., as Joel has alluded to many times in the podcasts.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: As we are 50, our kids will be starting families, and it seems a better place and a potentially better tribe of like-minded people going forward.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: I most need to know that it's okay for this to be hard, but people thrive and get through it.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll add my parents just moved to Maine too, and they've been uh shocked by the cottage food laws and the uh food freedom that's available near them.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: So pleasantly shocked, right?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, in a very, very good way.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: Very good way.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, yes.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_07: Have they gone through a winter yet?
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they were from Vermont, so so oh yes, we have.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: I am here.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_03: I managed to put my Brussels sprouts on hold.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: So hi Mary, it's so good to see you.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_03: You too.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, okay, so um, I love this question.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um so when I first moved out of California, which you know that's that's my native state, born and raised there, and I didn't move until like I was in my, I think, you know, mid-30s.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought that I would live there forever, you know, and all my family's there, and I had this vision that I'd I'd have kids and they'd be around their grandparents and aunts and uncles.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: So when we decided to move, I had a really, really difficult time with it.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: And actually, it's kind of ironic because the reason we moved was because of me.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: My husband had moved there for a job.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: I met him on the site, and um, I decided I want to stay home with my kids, and we just couldn't afford to still live in California.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: So we moved out for me so I could stay home with the kids, but I had to be dragged, kicking, and screaming.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was really bad.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: I pushed back so hard.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, my poor husband.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so uh my poor husband would agree.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, it was it was unbelievably hard for him.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: And the place where he it was kind of funny too, because I said, okay, he goes, where would you move in in the United States?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: We got on a map, and I said, I will move pretty much anywhere except Florida, and Florida's where he ended up getting a job.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: I was not thrilled, and you know, coming from California, Florida's not great because you got all the humidity, right?
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: So I wasn't used to it.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: We get there for like a house hunting trip, and I was like a little toddler throwing a tantrum as soon as I got in the humidity.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: It was awful.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: I was so hot.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: I actually got back in the car.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like, this shows you how comfortable I am now to tell you guys this thing.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: I actually got back in the car.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: I took off my pants.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I was I was a little toddler having my little fit.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: So, anyhow, we still moved.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: And how although I hated the weather six months out of the year, I was like, this place sucks, but it was really great because it opened me up to a whole new world.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like everything I knew was California.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: And when you live in California, you think it's great, and you're never gonna move there, and all the other states don't compare.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: And once I got there, I was like, wow, I really like the things that Florida has to offer.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: And we met some great people, and we didn't have to worry about all the taxes and all that kind of stuff.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: It was great.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: It it was something I'd never experienced before, and it started me on this path that I just need to be more open-minded and just really trust, like trust that God's putting me where I'm meant to go.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: So we ended up moving again um because the red tide, right, in in Florida, uh, moved to Virginia, and then the I can tell you that um moving out of Virginia was scary for us too, because it's a whole unknown again.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: But um, I prayed about it for a very long time.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: And it and God really put it on my heart and made it very clear that we were to move.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, we were not able to find a great community there and whatnot, um, even though that's really all my kids ever really knew was what we had in Virginia.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I can tell you that there were challenges in both of those big moves, but because I prayed about it so much and I knew that that's where he wanted me to go, I was resolved in the fact that we needed to go.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like I have full faith and trust in him.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: And in doing that, it helped me to get through those challenging times because I knew that he had a purpose behind it.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I knew he wasn't leaving me hanging and he was walking by me by my side that whole time.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: He he got he had us, right?
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: He had our backs.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: And now I'm so grateful, so grateful for each of those moves because while we don't have biological family around us, I'm like, oh, I'm getting ulteriority.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the community, the homeschooling, a homesteading community that we have found here, the reason that God led us here is our family.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: And we all call each other family.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: And we're we we're here for each other when anyone needs anything.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: We're together on the holidays.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like there, our relationship is deeper than the bonds I have with most of the people in my family and my biological family.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: So, yes, there were very, very rough times, particularly that first move, because that was my native state, you know.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: But now I would never, I would not change it, I would not move back.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's it's um, it's where we're meant to be.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that, you know, if you've prayed about it and it sounds like you have, and that you know, you've been led to this place for a reason.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: For me, I would because what I do is I hand all the uncertainty and all the fear and the worry, I just hand that over to God and I ask him to just help me in that moment to see what he wants me to see and um to be strong and to be that faithful servant that he wants me to be.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I leave it the rest to him.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: And because I know it was divinely chosen for me, I know it's gonna work out in the end.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: Does that help at all?
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_03: It does.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm one who kind of, I mean, I grew up in a Protestant church.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_03: I I don't consider myself particularly religious, but I do fully recognize some spirituality, something bigger than us.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I, you know, try and meditate on it a lot.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: So I consider it similar, kind of trying to give it up and and trust that something out there has more clarity than I do.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_03: I feel very blocked in terms of being able to see through the vision to the end.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_03: And that's why, you know, I I know other people who have made big moves and and they're telling me, like, yeah, all the feels, it's it's normal, you'll survive it, you know.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we are only five and a half hours from here.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_03: We we can come back.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I think trying to see through too, so we're not in our kid phase anymore because my kids are young adults now, they range from 20 to 26, but they're coming.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_03: At least three of four are coming, um, and probably the fourth.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_03: And eventually over time.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, and a lot of it goes back to uh so much of what we talk about here.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_03: You guys talk about on the podcast, land access, you know, the cost of living, cost of living in Massachusetts insane.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_03: I'm actually really glad that Ann's question was right before me because I was like, you know, one of the things I I don't think for myself, um, I I would necessarily have chosen to pick up and move.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_03: I I love our place.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: We we've got an old farmhouse on three acres, um, and and we've used every inch of it.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_03: But uh I do believe that it's okay to, you know, do things for others in my family, you know, my husband, which is not always a popular opinion, you know, when I say to people like, well, you know, it's not just me, like I'm not saying I'm completely doing it for them, but yes, there's there's a whole lot that wraps into our ball of wax.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_03: That's a whole other story.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_03: But like with my husband, he had a uh catastrophic limb salvage injury seven years ago.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_03: So that changed a lot for us.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then our kids, you know, and we are people who have always been a tight-knit family.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_03: My family here, I'm pretty close to, but they're 45 minutes away.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I know that we've always we were never going to be happy if we weren't there to be part of our kids and their kids.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: And now I'm trying to use that as my vision, not to control everybody, but to see that we're helping them transition to a place they want to go.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and you know, back to like, and I'm actually surprised to hear too that Florida's hitting it so hard.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but some of the things that drew me to Maine, and we've been circling this decision for decades, literally decades.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but the food sovereignty laws, which are, you know, they're very local up there, and we're actually moving to uh an unorganized township right outside some slightly larger, but not large, townships.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so I'm not entirely sure how the food sovereignty is going to work for us because there, you know, there's no town government to vote that in.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: So then it goes to a county level, and that's a gray area.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_03: But even without that, you know, I raise meat rabbits.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like Ann said, I can't do a thing with meat rabbits in Massachusetts because um there are no processors.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_03: All the processors for chicken, poultry, everything else are full up and no one will take on rabbits, and there's no small exemptions for you to work with.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: New Hampshire just managed to get their their like small chicken exemption expanded a little bit.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_03: But with Maine, and and the nice thing about Maine is you can actually go on their GovSite and you can understand their GovSite and you can actually find the information and find the exemption form.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_03: So there's a lot of positives there that give us a little more to work with.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: And they do the same thing for poultry, but yeah, and I can relate, Mary, because my husband and I have talked about it too.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: And if if my kids moved away, then I would probably follow them, you know, um, for the grandkids' sake and what just to help them out, you know.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I can relate to that.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: And circling back to your original question, I think it's totally okay to have all of these feelings and to even have doubts and worries and whatnot.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: When I first made that move out of California, I went through a mourning process.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: It was like a death, you know.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: This is exactly like a death for me.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_03: And we've been through some bad deaths in the family.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, this, I, you know, I know I can do hard things.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_03: I got through those, but now I'm like, why am I choosing this?
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_03: I got through those because we have to get through those.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: I did the same thing.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I've inflicted this on myself, you know, mad at my husband.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: It was it really was going through the stages of of of death.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's okay, you know, to go to fill all those stages and just move through them.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it it helps to um make a healthier transition if you allow yourself to fill all those different stages, like I did.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: So my little tantrum that I threw in that car, while it's embarrassing, it was needed, right?
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: I needed to move through that phase to get to the next one.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: So I, you know, I think you're doing great.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I totally relate to you on so many different levels.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's going to be amazing.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think what's lying ahead for you is absolutely going to be amazing.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, I mean, we found the property was further out than I wanted, um, not exactly all set up the way I had hoped.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_03: I hoped we'd find an old farm property, but what we did find for$220,000 is uh a really nice cabin on 46 acres.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, again, kind of like was it Anne's, whoever was talking about the spraying, um uh again, like there's benefit to that too, uh, because we are dealing with raw land.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: So we're not dealing with the PFAS or anything else that's been spread over those previous farm properties.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, it's it's gonna be a lot of work, but um, you know, we've got that handled.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_03: There's a plan for that, and and we can make it our own and and make what we want out of it too.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: So that's wonderful.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Very cool.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: All right, we're gonna hop over to Discord real quick, take a question over there.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's it's Lori Seaborg.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: She says, Hi Joel and Cena, I'd like to submit a question for the show, or better yet, an entire episode on how to tap a spring.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: We're in the North Carolina Mountains, so the springs uh come out of the mountain and usually between stones.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: We'd love to learn how to develop a spring and how to best get water from one.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for your consideration.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: This is probably in Joel's, potentially Joel's wheelhouse.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: Unless seen as Gussum.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's not me.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_07: So there's two kinds of springs.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_07: Uh one spring is a sediment spring, and one spring is a a um like a a clevis spring.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_07: It sounds like you've got a clevis spring.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_07: It's coming out of stones.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_07: So it's coming out of a coming out from the side of something.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_07: So the the main thing to um to deal with is to um get this protected from you know bird manure and frogs and tadpoles and things like that.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_07: So uh generally what you do is you uh you go you go to the spring source and you go you pick pick it uh six, seven feet down from its where the water comes in and you you pour a concrete wall.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_07: Um and and what you what you got there then is a box and you can pour that you you you can you can create this concrete wall on all four sides.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_07: The main thing is the is the dam in the front that's going to have a an overflow in it so it you know the water can flow out of it and a hole through it, so you can put a pipe in there and um and so that the the spring will come into this little reservoir.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_07: But basically you're looking for a for some sort of a little uh concrete box uh that you can probably put in by hand and with some board forms and a and and a little you know rent it rent a concrete mixer from your rent X and um and mix it up and pour it in there.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_07: Then you've got your walls, and then you put a roof over it.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_07: And the roof protects it from you know from from rain from um runoff uh birds and and wildlife and poop and things like that.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_07: And um, and now you're protected and you're ready to go.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_07: Uh as long as you've got a pipe in there.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, I don't know if you've got to put electric and a pump in there to to pump it uphill, or if you're uh high and you're just gravity running this somewhere.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_07: Um, you know, those are those are those are pretty academic.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_07: The the main thing is you've got to get that surrounded with four protective, impermeable walls so that you can protect it from stuff coming in from outside, including including runoff water.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_07: Um you want to protect it from all that with your with your wall around, and you'll be in uh you should be in business.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um Another question for Joel from Steve W.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: I have some backyard chickens and they are standard sized breeds and they're laying.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: It is hot right now, and I placed large shallow pans of water for them to stand in.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: They don't.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I tried setting up a fan, but they are terrified of it.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Any tricks to training them to tolerate the fan and to stand in the water dish, or any other ways to help them keep cool?
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: My previous bantams had no issue with it.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_07: So you're trying to do something with the chickens that they don't like.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_07: And uh so just stop.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_07: And uh and if you if you just give them shade, uh shade that doesn't have walls on it, you know, so you have like a breezeway, just uh whether it's opaque or nursery shade cloth or something, but um uh where you've just you just blocked the sun, they'll be just fine.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_07: Will they pant on a real hot day?
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, they probably will, but they'll they'll make a dust bath and um and they'll uh you know they'll they'll be hot, but panting is how they cool off.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_07: Dogs pant.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, I pant sometimes.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_07: So uh so the yeah, uh chickens are very, very resilient this way.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_07: Uh if if you've just got backyard chickens and it's hot, just give them shade, they'll be just fine.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: So this one is from Discord as well, from Daniel Weinberg in Chicago.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'll go ahead and we'll move on to uh the poem that he uh he did, if we if everyone wants to hear that.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um so it's called Natural Way Poem by Daniel Weinberg, one of our listeners.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks to farmer Joel Salatin and Dr.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough, make chickens and cows happy, don't put them in a cage, let them be scrappy, allow them to engage.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: Celebrate their chickinness and cowness so they will strive in all their richness so we can thrive.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: We have to ship we have to shift the way we think, or nutrition will shrink and shrink.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: Animals and plants are not machines, they need life and death in their routines.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: Evolving farmland, going regenerative, compost and command, makes land to give.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: No more bags of chem, no more bank loans, only free carbon and free nitrogen and free oxygen, along with bird tones.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: Plants are smart, worms regurgitate, fungi have heart, while bees pollinate.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: No till is healthy, ponds are too, soil can be wealthy, while seeds have a clue.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's clever.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, so we've got uh one more from Discord as well.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: It says, uh, dear Joel and Cena, I enjoy the show regularly and would like to join the live stream more often, but life and business uh gets in the way a little bit.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: I have enjoyed the discussion on light and had a question regarding plowing and light.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: If on a regenerative uh rejuvenated farm we have lots of variety of species and they are beneficial, if many species return over time and like at polyface, some of them have not been seen for enough time to be recognizable in our current library of native grass species.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: Could deep plowing strategically assist in returning some of those suppressed species to the pasture?
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: I am referring specifically to Joel's comment on light in a fraction of a second stimulating a dormant seed to sprout.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: Just a random thought.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then there's some other stuff we can get into, but that's from Ken.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_07: So um, so generally the seed bank doesn't go very, very low in the soil profile.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_07: So um so I'm not a fan of deep plowing.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_07: That's why the pigs on our farm, the pigs are the ones that have unearthed these seeds, but they don't go very deep.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_07: You know, they're they're just kind of on the top, uh disturbing the top, you know, two to three inches of soil, or or very um um aggressive grazing management where you mob up the cows on a place and you get hoof action and you actually chip, you actually chip the soil surface with hoof action.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_07: So I think um I think deep plowing is definitely not beneficial, but certainly, you know, something across the top that that um that gives you hoof action, scratches or roots, like a pig, uh those things kind of on the uh tight on the surface can um can be a can be a a beneficial thing to get that light in.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_07: I I I don't to my knowledge the seeds just aren't lower than I don't know, I'm gonna say six inches probably at most.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_07: And so the seeds are are on the top.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_07: And remember, many of these seeds that we're seeing uh that that do sprout have come in, they've been they've blown in on the wind, they've come in on chicken on chicken feathers, on uh on bird feathers, they've come in on uh deer, bear, you know, a possum that waddles across.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_07: Uh there's uh uh spider webs that can sometimes go for miles.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_07: So there's there's all sorts of of um of airborne and animal-borne uh um seed movement uh on the surface.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_07: So just because we get a seed, a plant maybe that we haven't seen for a hundred years, doesn't mean that seed was actually there for a hundred years.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_07: That plant may have been someplace else in some obscure place, and that seed ended up on our place and was able to sprout because we disturbed with pigs or we mobbed with cows or we scratched with chickens and made a dust bath.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_07: We did something that enabled that uh that seed to sprout that was brought in anywhere from yesterday to 100 years ago.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um see, that's the end of my list of questions here.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: So if anybody in the chat wants to drop any more questions or raise your hand and we'll select you.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um in the meantime, we've got about five more minutes.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I actually have a question for Joel in regards to broilers.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of ran by a couple things by you yesterday.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I'm doing 18 kind of pastured pastured broilers in my little one-third acre lot.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm curious.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: So my goal is to give away slash keep six for myself and a couple friends and uh sell 12 under the exemption.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's kind of my baby goal to try to kind of whet my appetite in the whole in the whole world of uh of farming.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm wondering uh the marketing aspect, I feel like my gifting is in the visual and in the presenting of things.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: So um leveraging that is obviously a good direction to go.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: But how does one begin to market a whole chicken to the public?
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, well, you've probably got some friends and acquaintances.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_07: Uh when you've told them about your project project, uh, what's been the response?
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's been about half and half.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: So half of the people are saying, Great, sign me up.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I've already got a few pre-sales already.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe three or four people buying a whole bird.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other half are saying, but I don't I don't eat chicken in a whole bird.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: I eat, you know, chicken breast, chicken thigh, that kind of thing.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's that's been the main main thing that I'm noticing is that it's half and half.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_07: Well, yeah, uh realize that that uh all the chickens that we sell at Polyface, uh roughly, roughly half of them are parts and pieces.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_07: Uh we we we cut them up uh because because people don't know what to do with the whole chicken anymore.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_07: So I would say at your scale, you know, if you're just gonna sell um 12 of them, 10 or 12, then uh I would think that you could find 10 or 12 uh people, you know, maybe not 10 or 12 people, maybe it's only gonna be four people that'll take two or three apiece, and you'll get rid of your dozen just as whole birds.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_07: Um yeah, I I wouldn't mess with cutting them up yet.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_07: Uh I would just sell them as whole birds and get those folks uh happy and hooked.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_07: And uh and you you can you can go into the parts and pieces at a future at a future time.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_07: Don't complicate this early.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_07: Uh this early in the game, don't complicate it with parts and pieces until you absolutely have to.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: At what um is there a scale issue with parts and pieces when it comes to getting them slaughtered at a abattoir or whatever?
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_07: You you can do parts and pieces under the under the exemption.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you can.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_07: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_07: You just can't add anything.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_07: You can't cook it and you can't add anything to it.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_07: So you can't add salt or spices or thermometers or breadings or you know anything else.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_07: You can even grind it up.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_07: Uh you just can't, it has to be 100% chicken.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_07: So uh yeah, you can you can uh do all of that under the exemption.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: Very good, very good.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right, uh, I think we are just about at closing time.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: So uh thank you everybody for being here.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for uh Joel and Cena for uh giving us of your time for today.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we all are gonna be hoping and praying for Cena's voice for uh for tomorrow and everything.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: So uh, anyways, thanks everybody for coming.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: And uh Joel, do you want to close us out in a prayer?
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_07: Sure, sure.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_07: Our Lord, we're just grateful for letting us uh congregate this way.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_07: Uh it's uh it's certainly new uh in the in the spectrum of human history to be able to get together this way, but uh it's uh it's probably a good use of the technology, so we're grateful for it.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_07: I'm grateful for Nolan and his uh care in shepherding us through, and grateful for people who are intentionally uh looking for answers and better ways to live and better ways to engage uh with our culture and with our ecological work to continue to give us discernment and understanding to pursue truth and what is right beyond labels.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_07: We thank you for the time together in Jesus' name.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_07: Amen.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_07: You couldn't help that, could you send?
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta slip that one in there.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's great.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: All right, bye everyone.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_07: I I I I talk to God with no platitudes, it's just it's just uh it's just natural.