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'Black Widow' murders husband, then targets, kills her 'lookalike' to assume her identity! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A Minnesota woman, a petite
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  Speaker 1: platinum blonde, triggers a nationwide manhunt after her husband is
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  Speaker 1: found dead on a worm farm. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in
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  Speaker 1: the last hours. Major breaking news in the case of
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  Speaker 1: Lois Ree her husband found dead shot by apparently a shotgun.
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  Speaker 1: The ballistics still out on that. Fifty four year old
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  Speaker 1: David Reese in Blooming Prairie found dead on his worm
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  Speaker 1: farm with a blanket over him, shot multiple times. Police
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  Speaker 1: now believe his lovely wife, Lois. The petite platinum blonde,
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  Speaker 1: then forge's business in personal check, stealing about eleven grand
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  Speaker 1: from him, and fleeing to Florida. She stopped at several
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  Speaker 1: casinos and paraded across lobbies and through gambling machines in
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  Speaker 1: full view of surveillance video. Gambles to her heart's content,
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  Speaker 1: stays in a luxury hotel, running up the tab with
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  Speaker 1: room service and pay per views. Then surveillance video pops
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  Speaker 1: up in Fort Myers Beach. It catches her talking with
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  Speaker 1: a petite platinum blonde doppelganger named Pam Hutchinson at an
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  Speaker 1: oyster bar well Louis Rice now accused of befriending Pamela,
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  Speaker 1: murdering her, stealing her ID and credit cards and car,
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  Speaker 1: and then going on the run. She is apprehended just
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  Speaker 1: a couple of miles from the Mexican border at another
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  Speaker 1: five star hotel, yacking it up with another blonde doppel ganger.
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  Speaker 1: What she needed to kill a third person so she
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  Speaker 1: could steal her identity across the border undetected. Wow. Well,
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  Speaker 1: in the last hours we learned that formal charges have
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  Speaker 1: been handed down in Minnesota for the death of Reese's husband.
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  Speaker 1: What does it mean? Will she face the death penalty?
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  Speaker 1: Not in Minnesota, but she is charged with murder one
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  Speaker 1: in Dodge County. She was just indicted on one count
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  Speaker 1: of first degree premeditated murder and one count of second
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  Speaker 1: degree murder. In the alternative, again accused of shooting and
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  Speaker 1: killing her husband, fifty four year old David Race. I
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  Speaker 1: guess life on the worm farm just wasn't enough for Lois.
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  Speaker 1: How in the world did we land in a court
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  Speaker 1: of law? Fifty four year old David Rees in Blooming
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  Speaker 1: Prairie found dead on his worm farm with a blanket
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  Speaker 1: over him, shot multiple times and guess what's missing? Over
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  Speaker 1: eleven thousand dollars from his checking account and his wife
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  Speaker 1: Lois Reese, a platinum blonde who then turns up a
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  Speaker 1: at a casino having a good old time. And then
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  Speaker 1: in Florida and Fort Myers, she spotted on closed circuit
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  Speaker 1: TV surveillance video at Smoking Oyster Brewery chatting up another
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  Speaker 1: woman at the bar. And again she's having a great time.
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  Speaker 1: They're drinking, they're talking, they're laughing. She's really holding court
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  Speaker 1: at this bar, Smoking Oyster Brewery. It just sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a good time, right. Well, that woman Pam hutcheson. Guess
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  Speaker 1: what she bears an amazing similarity a semblance to Lois,
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  Speaker 1: whose husband happens to end up dead on a worm
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  Speaker 1: farm and lo and behold. Just hours later, Pam ends
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  Speaker 1: up dead too, missing her car and all of her identity.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Lois Reese on the run, assuming her doppel
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  Speaker 1: ganger's identity. I want to go first to John Elmley,
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  Speaker 1: John Crime Stories, investigative reporter, start at the beginning and
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  Speaker 1: give me a capsualization of Lois Reese's rampage. Nancy David
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  Speaker 1: Reese's business partner called Authorities, to ask them to check
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  Speaker 1: on him. The partners said no one at work had
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  Speaker 1: seen David Reese in more than two weeks, and after
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  Speaker 1: of an exhaustive search at his home, they then went
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  Speaker 1: to his farm and that is where they discover David
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  Speaker 1: Reese's body, and he had been shot multiple times and
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  Speaker 1: they weren't able to determine how long he had been
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  Speaker 1: dead over that past two weeks, and another person was missing.
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  Speaker 1: They could not find his wife, Lois Now They very
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  Speaker 1: quickly learned that Lois may have been at a casino
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  Speaker 1: in Iowa, but she wasn't there when they went looking
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  Speaker 1: for now. From there, she was believed to have made
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  Speaker 1: a bee line for Florida. That's where investigators alleged that
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  Speaker 1: she killed fifty nine year old Pamela Hutchinson of Bradenton, Florida,
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  Speaker 1: who was in town actually to be with a friend
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  Speaker 1: who had just lost her husband and they were going
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  Speaker 1: to spread his ashes in the water there in Fort Myers, Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Pam was really only planning on staying in Fort Myers
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  Speaker 1: a couple of days, and presumably toward the end of
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  Speaker 1: her trip, she stopped by to grab a bite at
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  Speaker 1: Smoking Oyster Brewery, just a couple of blocks from her condo,
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  Speaker 1: and it's there that she meets and strikes up a
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  Speaker 1: conversation with a visitor in the city, a woman that
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  Speaker 1: we now know was Lois Reese. It's around the same
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  Speaker 1: time that Pam's family and friends notice something rather odd.
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  Speaker 1: Pam is really big on posting on Facebook, and those
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  Speaker 1: Facebook posts come to an abrupt halt. How do we
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  Speaker 1: know joining me Alexis tres chat from Radar online dot Com.
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  Speaker 1: How do we know that it was Lois Reese that
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  Speaker 1: found her doppelganger and assumed Pam Hutchinson's identity after killing her.
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  Speaker 1: How do we know she ever made it to Pam
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  Speaker 1: Hutchinson's condo. Well, the police have evidence that she was there.
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  Speaker 1: She stole Pam's credit cards, her bank account information, and
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  Speaker 1: even her ID and leaves her condo and goes out,
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  Speaker 1: goes to the bank and gets five thousand dollars out
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  Speaker 1: from the bank cash by using her Pamela ID. I
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  Speaker 1: guess they the teller didn't even notice that they were
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  Speaker 1: They weren't the same person. So she's caught on camera there,
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  Speaker 1: they see her, they've got her, and then she goes
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  Speaker 1: on a nitionwide. What's the word spending spree? I guess so,
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  Speaker 1: because she's got all this money from her dead victims.
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  Speaker 1: And there's no way you can tell me that she
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  Speaker 1: did not hone in on this woman, because she the killer.
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  Speaker 1: The alleged killer believes this woman, Hutchinson, was her doppelganger,
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  Speaker 1: her look alike. And when you put them jack, you
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  Speaker 1: look at this. Look at their faces side by side. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the alleged killer Reese Lois, and Reese has her hair
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  Speaker 1: long and pull back in a bun in that photo,
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  Speaker 1: and Hutchinson has her shortened bouncy. But you pull the
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  Speaker 1: hair back and change the hair color, that's totally a
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  Speaker 1: look alike. So she goes from casino to casino and
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  Speaker 1: pops up there in Fort Myers, Florida, on a bar
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  Speaker 1: stool at the Smoking Oyster Brewery in Fort Myers Beach.
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  Speaker 1: This is still four days before Hutchinson is found dead.
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  Speaker 1: What describe what you see on the video, John Limley.
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  Speaker 1: She's caught on close circuit TV. True, it's a short,
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  Speaker 1: relatively short clip, and you can see Lois, she is
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  Speaker 1: facing that surveillance camera. She pulls her glasses back on
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  Speaker 1: her head. She really seems to be as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: turning on the charm. She is in her element, seems
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  Speaker 1: to be holding court. And you can see the back
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  Speaker 1: of the head of this doppelganger, this supposed twin of sorts,
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  Speaker 1: yea Pam Hutchins. Pam Hutchinson, right, you can see the
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  Speaker 1: back of her head. She's wearing a red and white cap.
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  Speaker 1: They seem to be having a really good time. They're
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  Speaker 1: laughing and drinking and and there's also closed circuit video
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  Speaker 1: I think relating to the condo. Yes, this is before
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  Speaker 1: she gets to the condo. It's thanks to surveillance video
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  Speaker 1: there at the restaurant that we know how and when
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  Speaker 1: the paths of Lois reaps and Pam hudgetson first crossed.
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  Speaker 1: We see them seated at the bar chatting, having a
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  Speaker 1: great time. Lois was on the run and she saw
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  Speaker 1: her chance to gain more time and gain a possible cover.
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  Speaker 1: Lois realized that she and this woman at the bar,
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  Speaker 1: Pam Hutchinson, looked a lot alike. Her plan was to
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  Speaker 1: assume this woman's identity. So Lois quickly befriends Pam and somehow,
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  Speaker 1: we're not exactly sure how finagles her way into Pam's condo.
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  Speaker 1: Two days later, after a man staying in the room
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  Speaker 1: above where Pam was staying started smelling a strange odor.
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  Speaker 1: That's when he contacted the management of the condo building.
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  Speaker 1: They opened up Pam's condo and discovered her body is there.
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  Speaker 1: She's been shot. She's covered in blood and covered with
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  Speaker 1: a pile of towels. You know, that's very odd. To
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, LA psycho analyst joining US, I found
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  Speaker 1: this is just anecdotal, it's not a statistical study, Doctor Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: that so often killers will take the time to cover
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  Speaker 1: up the face of the victim. I know in one case,
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  Speaker 1: a girl murders her mother and puts a trash basket,
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  Speaker 1: a wicker basket over her head. I had cases where
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  Speaker 1: people were murdered in the out in the open, and
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  Speaker 1: they would put leaves over the body. In this case,
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  Speaker 1: she put towels over it. There's also surveillance video guys
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  Speaker 1: of her at the condo. That's how we know she
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  Speaker 1: was at the condo. Surveillance video she's walking out of
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  Speaker 1: the condo with a plastic bag. Not only that, when
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  Speaker 1: she turns up at a five star resort shortly after
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  Speaker 1: she spotted walking across the lobby wearing Pam Hudgerson's straw hat.
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  Speaker 1: She is actually sporting her murder victim's hat. So, doctor Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: two things in a nutshell. Why cover up your dead
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  Speaker 1: victim face? And second, does this woman note no shame
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  Speaker 1: she's even wearing the dead lady's hat. It's so perverse,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I often think you can tell how premeditated
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  Speaker 1: a murder is by how well the body is covered up,
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  Speaker 1: and whether or not the perpetrator has prepared a dumpsite
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  Speaker 1: and a place to secrete the body. And in this case,
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  Speaker 1: it seems as hasty as I don't know, shoplifting a
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  Speaker 1: target like she finds a woman who looks like her,
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  Speaker 1: follows her to the condo, shoots her. I think maybe
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  Speaker 1: covers her up with towels too, because she doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: too much blood to go all over the places, and
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  Speaker 1: she also doesn't want to have to see what she's
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  Speaker 1: done right there, right there, Doctor Bethany, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they give a fig about the blood. When you shoot
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  Speaker 1: somebody multiple times, you know there's gonna be blood. There's
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  Speaker 1: something about covering up their face, Doctor Bethany Marshall. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I think they don't want to see the victim looking
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  Speaker 1: back at them. I've thought a lot about this because
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  Speaker 1: it seems that no matter what the m is, that
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  Speaker 1: the perpetrator does tend to cover up the victim's face.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes I think, do they just not want to
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  Speaker 1: see the deceased? Do they not want to see their
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  Speaker 1: own handiwork? Maybe they just want to deny to themselves
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  Speaker 1: all the destruction that they are created. Crime stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, major breaking news in the case of Lois Reese,
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  Speaker 1: her husband found dead shot by apparently a shotgun multiple times. Well,
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  Speaker 1: in the last hours, we learned that formal charges have
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  Speaker 1: been handed down in Minnesota. You know, it goes back
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  Speaker 1: further even than the murder of the husband. Jason Ocean's
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney joining me out of the New York area. Jason,
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  Speaker 1: We've looked into some court records and they show that
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  Speaker 1: Lois Reese was kicked out as guardian for her disabled
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  Speaker 1: sister because of her report. Lois had been transferring Lois
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  Speaker 1: Reese transferring funds from one account to her own account
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  Speaker 1: and then withdrawing the funds where else. Jason a casino
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  Speaker 1: so we got a gambling problem and the means to
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  Speaker 1: solve it is to steal money, steal, then commit, and
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  Speaker 1: then commit murder. Perfect plan. And that was in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and five. We got a hold of an affidavit
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  Speaker 1: that said thousands had been spent somewhere called Diamond Joe
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  Speaker 1: Casino in Iowa, not too far from her blooming prairie home.
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  Speaker 1: She was never charged with a crime, but she was
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  Speaker 1: ordered to pay back over a hundred thousand dollars. She
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  Speaker 1: was probably charged with something, and that was the clear
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  Speaker 1: arrangement to come up with restitutions. So, you know, birds
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  Speaker 1: of a feather, I mean she she had to premeditate it,
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  Speaker 1: as doctor Bethany said, and it's just well fought out.
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  Speaker 1: And she has an m in her background. Jason, birds
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  Speaker 1: of a feather flot together does not apply to this
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  Speaker 1: because she's not flocking with anybody. I think the proper
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  Speaker 1: one would be when you don't know a horse, look
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  Speaker 1: at his track record, because she's got a long track record.
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  Speaker 1: Different unless you know of another bird flocking with her.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you're ashamed. I am. Thank you for correcting it. Okay, good, good,
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  Speaker 1: Good to know good. Jason, you're always so right to
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  Speaker 1: have to use anything. I have to fight you, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So Joe Scot Morgan, Okay, Joseph Scott Morgan, help me
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  Speaker 1: out now, because it's like there's no shame and no
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  Speaker 1: fear when you go into a casino. There are more
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  Speaker 1: surveillance video cameras than NASA, for Pete's sake, And she's
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  Speaker 1: killing and murdering and stealing and then going to casinos
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  Speaker 1: and tromping around flouncing, flouncing. Let me pull that out
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  Speaker 1: of the drawer, flouncing, as my grandmother used to say,
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  Speaker 1: across the lobbies of five star resorts and casinos, wearing
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  Speaker 1: the dead victim's hat. Joe Scott, Yeah, isn't that kind
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  Speaker 1: of bizarre? We're talking about face covering for a moment
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  Speaker 1: where in my experience, they have this this period of
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  Speaker 1: time where they don't want to look at the face
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  Speaker 1: because they're kind of ashamed of what they've done. But
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  Speaker 1: yet she goes and puts on this woman's hat and
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  Speaker 1: goes to one of the most pub location she possibly
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  Speaker 1: could where she can be observed from multiple points, and
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  Speaker 1: walks around as this person. It's very bizarre, and also
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  Speaker 1: it's almost like she's she's jacked up in a sense
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  Speaker 1: that she's on a rush or something. She's got all
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  Speaker 1: of this money, she's traveling across the country under an
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  Speaker 1: assumed identity, and she's blowing it. She's blowing it every
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  Speaker 1: It's like she has nothing else to live for, and
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  Speaker 1: it's it's scary. It's scary in the fact that, thank
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  Speaker 1: God that no one else has gotten into her path
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  Speaker 1: who she could destroy their lives. A woman who investigators
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  Speaker 1: believe murder her husband in Minnesota then goes to Florida,
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  Speaker 1: where she uses the very same gun, according to the
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  Speaker 1: AMMO comparison, to slay her doppel ganger, her look alike
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  Speaker 1: to assume her identity. Pam Hutchinson captured where else at
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  Speaker 1: a South Texas resort to John Lemley Crime Stories investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter tell me, how was Lois Reese finally captured? Where
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  Speaker 1: is she now? Well? The man who actually recognized Lois Reese,
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  Speaker 1: who was wanted for these murders of her husband and
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  Speaker 1: the woman that she resembled. I told authorities that it
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  Speaker 1: was her hair that gave her away. She was spotted
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  Speaker 1: sipping a drink at the bar inside the Sea Ranch
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  Speaker 1: restaurant in South Padre Island, Texas. From all accounts, it
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  Speaker 1: appears she was cool as a cucumber until the marshals
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  Speaker 1: arrived to take her into custody. The restaurant's manager, Becky Galvin,
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  Speaker 1: told the Washington Press that they had received a call
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  Speaker 1: from another restaurant before that that she had been spotted.
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  Speaker 1: They authorities just missed her there, but they were able
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  Speaker 1: to catch up with her realize she was on her
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  Speaker 1: way into this restaurant and alerted the restaurant staff that
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  Speaker 1: she was coming in. Well, this is what we know.
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  Speaker 1: We know that she was only twenty seven miles from
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  Speaker 1: the Mexican border, Alexis. While there is a lot, a
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  Speaker 1: lot you have to go through to go come from
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  Speaker 1: Mexico into the US, to go from the US into Mexico,
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  Speaker 1: people just fly right across the border twenty seven miles
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  Speaker 1: from the Mexican border, Alexis. Absolutely, it's fairly easy to
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  Speaker 1: get into Mexico. I've been in the car asleep one
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  Speaker 1: time when we drove through, So she could have done
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  Speaker 1: it very easily. And she had thousands of dollars. She
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  Speaker 1: actually she stole eleven thousand dollars from her husband. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if that's stealing, but I'm gonna call it stealing.
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  Speaker 1: And then she had another five thousand dollars from Camela,
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  Speaker 1: so she was flushed with cash. She could have easily
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  Speaker 1: made it overword, but she was so brazen in these restaurants,
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  Speaker 1: just eating out in public, not even like drive through
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  Speaker 1: fast food where there maybe would have been less cameras,
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  Speaker 1: but she just was not afraid to be out of public.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Welcome back. I'm Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. This is Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: in the last hour is a break in the case
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  Speaker 1: of who I like to refer to as wrong Way
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  Speaker 1: Lois Lois writes, A petite, bleached blonde kills her doppelganger
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  Speaker 1: after targeting her at a Florida oryster house. This after
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  Speaker 1: her husband found dead on the family worm farm and
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  Speaker 1: his bank accounts drained. She's finally apprehended all the way
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  Speaker 1: across the country, found caught on video in multiple casinos
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  Speaker 1: and luxury hotels. Karen, start with me. We're now New
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  Speaker 1: York psychologist Karen. She's got one husband dead at the
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  Speaker 1: worm farm, all right, longtime husband, and now she's gambling
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  Speaker 1: at the see no, Karen, what is that state of mind?
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  Speaker 1: You leave your husband's shot multiple times dead on the
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  Speaker 1: worm farm back home, and she's in Iowa running through
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  Speaker 1: all that money. It's she might as well take out
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  Speaker 1: a billboard on Third Avenue that says, look at me,
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  Speaker 1: I kill my husband. Here, I am at the slot
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  Speaker 1: machines in Iowa. Come and get me well. And what
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  Speaker 1: it also says is, look at me, I killed my
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  Speaker 1: husband and I don't care. I'm having a good old
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  Speaker 1: time using the slab machines because I don't have a conscience.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what's happening with this woman. Okay, Karen Stark,
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  Speaker 1: help me reconcile this gregarious, charming, bottle blonde with a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful white smile sitting at a bar stool, chatting up
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  Speaker 1: everybody around her with a laser lot on her next
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  Speaker 1: murder victim. What's so frightening about encountering a person like
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  Speaker 1: this is that she can come across as your very
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  Speaker 1: best friend, the most charming, grecarious you want to know her.
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  Speaker 1: She's got her sunglasses on and off and making eye
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  Speaker 1: contact with you. And the last thing that anyone would
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  Speaker 1: ever suspect is the whole time she's plotting to kill you.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's so deceiving about someone who's a sociopath is
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  Speaker 1: capable of murder, is that they can really come off
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  Speaker 1: as quite charming and you would never believe that this
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  Speaker 1: is about to happen. Who would ever think, Oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: meeting this new person. Isn't she great? Oh? And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, I'd better be very careful because she's going
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  Speaker 1: to assume my identity and kill me. Mickey Sherman, renowned
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney and multiple jurisdictions and author off how can
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  Speaker 1: you defend those people, Mickey Sherman, You and I've seen
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  Speaker 1: it all? Or said, let me knock on wood on
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  Speaker 1: that one, because just every time I say we've seen
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  Speaker 1: it all, then something tops it. But Mickey, this frame
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  Speaker 1: of mind, if you and I were had committed a crime,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: had committed a murder, we would be ducking and diving.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: We would be using only cash, would go all Jodiarius
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  Speaker 1: and get our gas and cans and the trunk so
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't have a receipt anywhere. We'd be hiding out,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: paying cash at a hotel six, staying totally under the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: radar until we hit Mexico, right but maybe we've I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: don't know, you got to speak yourself on them, okay,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: So oh okay, that's right, the high level of twenty
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: five cent slots. So, Mickey, this woman is brazen. Really,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that's what she is. Brazen. Well, that's generally the nature
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of someone who kills other people. So it's I mean,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the psychologists about the field day with her, but the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: fact that she's done this dastardly deed and then goes
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to a casino, I don't think that's the realm of
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the normality for somebody who that's you've actually hit on something.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: And I don't really know how to verbalize it, but
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: you're right, people that would kill so brazenly are not
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: thinking the way you and I think. Mick. I mean,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you know another thing, Mickey Sherman, I know you're probably
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: going to argue it's all quote circumstantial evidence, which is
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: which it is. FYI. Circumstantial evidence under the law is
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to be considered on equal footing with direct evidence, such
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: as a confession, DNA or fingerprint. But Micky Sherman, I
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: know you're going to argue, well, we don't know she
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: killed her look alike, her twin Pam Hutchinson. But I'm
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: looking at surveillance video of her, the black widow Lewis
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Anne Reese right now, and she is spotted at Hutchinson's
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: condo just before her dead body's found. So she's on
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: video with her at the bar stool at Smoking Oyster
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  Speaker 1: Brewery and Fort Myers. She's also spotted at Pam's condo
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and Pam ends up dead. What about that, Mick, Well,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: it is circumstantial evidence in it. And I'll do the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: first to concede that circumstantial evidence is often better better
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: than eyewitness or confessions or what else. And most people feeled, however,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: that if it's circumstantial, it's not worth anything. And those
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: of us who try in cases know that that's not
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the case. Bottom line is, they still need something to
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: drive this home rant that she may have picked up
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: this woman at the Oyster bar, but they still need
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: something to build the bridge between being spotted. Oh oh, oh,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I've got something. I got something for you, Mickey, you
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: got it. Oh, You're gonna hate this. The gun, the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: weapon you used to kill the husband, is the same
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: weapon used to kill Pam Hutchinson. They both died with
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the same gun. Everybody you know how that works. A
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: gun when it is made has an individual marking inside
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the barrel where the metal dries. It's like a fingerprint.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: As a bullet hurdles down the barrel, it is struck
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: with high velocity against the inside of the barrel, leaving
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: striations or markings on the bullet that only one gun
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: in the world can leave. So when you can match
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: up those bullets taken out of the victim's body under microscope,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: you can see it's very plain when you look at it.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, it sounds like high science, but Joseph Scott Morgan,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: it's very plain to see under a microscope. Yeah, Nancy
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: is a ballistic fingerprint, and it is unique to that
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: particular weapon, being that this is apparently, at this point
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: in time, the same weapon that she used relative to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: her husband. We can take those rounds and tie those back,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and this is pattern evidence Nancy stump stuff that comes
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: along as a result of her continued behavior. Cash this
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: tell me where you think this is headed, Doctor Bethany Marshall.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the video right now of when Louis
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Reese is arrested by fugitive magistrates. The video shows her
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: walking into the restaurant and taking a seat at the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: edge of the bar where she always does. She orders
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a glass of wine right and an entree, and she
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: eats for over an hour, befriending another woman at the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: bar in the process. You know what that was, How
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that was going to end, right, Bethany, Absolutely, this is
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: her offending pattern. Right. She finds someone who looks just
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: like her, kills that person, assumes their identity, steals their money,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and then runs out of cash. Then she has to
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: find a new victim. Now, see, I read one report
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: where apparently she and her husband had some couple friends,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and the wife of the couple was in the garage
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: and looked up and there was Lois Reese writing down
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the address numbers to that couple's house. And I don't
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: know if you read that report, and that she felt
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: very freaked out. She had heard that Lois was on
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the lamb, and she became afraid that perhaps she was
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: going to be Lois's next victim. It sounds like Lois
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: hung around their neighborhood for about a week before moving
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: on to another bar, and, like serial killers do, looking
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: for another victim. She was befriending another woman at the
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: bar Alexis Terrez Chuck, just like she did Pam Hutchinson
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: before she gets access to her condo and murders her
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: to steal her identity. I guarantee you she was there
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to kill the woman, get her identity, and cross over
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: to the Mexican border. I'd be very interested to find
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: out what that woman looked like exactly. This is exactly
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: what she does. And that's why it's so strange that
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: she didn't change her hair color, because the platinum white
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: blonde is so noticeable. If she'd gone brown, she probably
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: could have found a lot more people that looked just
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: like her that could have been her victims. Luckily, these guys,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: these barteners, were so smart and they noticed this. I
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: don't know that I ever noticed anybody sitting next to
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: me in a restaurant, so I really give them a
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: lot of thanks for catching this lady. Well, we also
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: know this. To John Limley, Crime Stories investigative reporter, it
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: never ends with this woman. When police search her hotel room,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: they find a twenty two and a nine both in
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: her room. What about that it was not over yet
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: for her? She had a lot of plans of murder
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and embezzling and stealing money ahead absolutely, and when they
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: were able to get into Pam Hutchinson's room, discovered that
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of the items that Lois had with her
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: when she was that woman's credit prids, that's and her
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: vehicle as well. She swapped vehicles there in Fort Myers
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: before she started the thirteen hundred mile trip, and she
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: was staying there in South Padre Island in a fifty
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: nine dollars a night roof, Yeah, at Mostel six. Yeah.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: She had left the fancy resort and was scoping out
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: her next victim. Take a listen to this. The detectives
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: from both here and the other two states are still
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: collecting and comprising all the evidence, and it looks like
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: she'll be transferred to County for a short stant and
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: as soon as the extradition takes place, it looks like
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: it looks like she's going to be going to Florida first.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And they're also trying to move some of the evidence,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like the car, towards Florida. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. The gambling
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: addicted bleached blonde referred to as wrong Way Lois or
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Losing Streak. Lois now charged with her husband's the murderer
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: one year after allegedly shooting him dead, sparking a nation
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: wide manhunt. Found at the Mexican border, chatting up her
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: alleged third victim. And then there's a matter of lookalike
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: doppelganger Pam Hutchison. Wrong Way lowis accused of stealing Hutchison's
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: identity and murdering her before going on the run. There's
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: actually video of Lois Rice leaving Pam's condo wearing the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: murder victim's hat. Now that takes them hoots be hunt.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: A grand jury Minnesota indicts the woman who authorities alleged
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: fatally guns down her husband before going on the run
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: to Florida and killing a woman there, Rice, known as
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Losing Streak Lois or Wrong Way. Lois Losing Streak comes
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: from her gambling habit, allegedly killing her husband David at
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: their Blooming Prairie worm farm. His body found at home
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: with multiple gunshots. Lois Rice nowhere to be found. She
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: even chats up and goes on video at a local
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: seven to eleven getting directions to Florida, shows up in
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: shorts and a tank top at a luxury resort on
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the Mexican border, and it just to throw another wrench
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: in the works. Her lookalike sister now charged with running
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: down the sister's grown son and tells police quote, he
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: didn't believe I would do it. Yes, apparently it runs
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: in the family. The sister apparently growing angry with her
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: adult son and running him down in her suv. The
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: sister a brunette look alike. Her name's Cynthia Lee Grund
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of Salem Township, now behind bars on second degree assault
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and reckless driving. Now, this is, according to documents we
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: have obtained from Olmstead County Jail, what it runs in
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the family. And then she brags about it, quote he
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: didn't think I would do it. Wow. The sun has
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: been identified as Jason Finn's dad and is suffering from
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: major lower body injuries having been run over by Lois's sister. Wow.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: You know what, I'm looking at multiple much shots of
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: these two, and it's amazing. How in the world have
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: two sisters look alike sisters landed in two separate courts
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: of law with very violent felonies charged against them. Guys
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: On a different note, major breaking news Dave Matt what's
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: it all about. Emma Stokes is sixteen years old. She
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and a friend went missing about a week and a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: half ago. The Park County, Colorado Sheriff's office said that
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the girls are being treated at a home for significant
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: health issues and that both girls left the home without
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: their medication, without any electronic communication devices whatsoever. And the
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: search has been on for a week and a half.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Lisa and Jerry Stokes are Emma's parents. Lisa, what's the update.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: What's happening right now? Well, I mean there's we don't
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: know where she is. We have no leads on the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: case at all. And um, I mean there's been zero
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: sightings of her. And I mean, I guess my biggest
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: frustration right now is we uh, the Clark Park, Park County,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: the Park County Sheriff's Department UH is still over technically
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: over the case, and they they're refusing to hand it
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: over to the CBI. Okay now, and that's something that
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department has to do in order to move
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: it to the next level. Right, all it takes is
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: a phone call from the sheriff. That's all it takes
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: to me. He's told us now. Now, so far, UM,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: what are some of the things you guys have done
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to raise awareness? I saw the Facebook page has over
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: ten thousand followers on it already. Yeah, so I've done that.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: We have people from UM, A lot of people from
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Texas or friends have come up here and we've done
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: searches a with bunch up on various cities with flyers
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and boosters everywhere. We've we've talked to a gazillion people. UM,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: We've went to all the homeless shelters, UM and you know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: in anywhere that we think that they might have gone
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: because the dog descent ended it. Highway two eighty five northbound,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: which is northbound, would take you to Denver. Emma's dad,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Jerry joins us. Now, I cannot imagine what you're going through, Jerry,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: as a dad. What's going on with you right now?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: What are you thinking? All right now? I feel basically helpless. UM,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even know where to go to
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: try to help my daughter. Yeah, you wanna, you want
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to fix it and save them and beat their protector,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: which you can't. Well, it's just I know stuff. I know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: it's tough, very tough. Tipline is seven one nine, eight,
• 36:11
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• 36:14
  Speaker 1: three six four one two one. Nancy Grace Crime Stories
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend,