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Bring Back My Girls with Ts Madison · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: All the stuff that's stacked against me, and I still
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Speaker 1: pushed through with me being black, with me being gay,
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Speaker 1: with me being fat, with me being crashed, with me
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Speaker 1: being loud obnoxious, with me being an ex porn star,
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Speaker 1: or all of this stuff. What you should take from
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Speaker 1: these things is this vision. Don't let nothing stop her.
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Speaker 2: Stay tuned, look into this conversation right after he's quick ass.
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Speaker 1: Hey, rain Drop. Today's guests a reality.
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Speaker 2: The king as a trans icon and queer activist, She's
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Speaker 2: been on the big screen. She also collaborated with Beyonce Honey,
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Speaker 2: and now she's hosting Bring Back My Girls on the
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Speaker 2: While Presents Plus streaming app. Yes, I'm talking about my
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Speaker 2: good sis, TS Madison. We get into how we met,
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Speaker 2: how she ended up on the Renaissance album, why she
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Speaker 2: thinks RuPaul is an icon, and who she thinks should
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Speaker 2: have won season twelve of Rue Paul's Drag Race. So,
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Speaker 2: without further ado, let's get into my chat with Ts Madison.
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Speaker 3: Maddie, I need.
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Speaker 2: To give you your flowers before we start this conversation.
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Speaker 2: I am so proud of you, and I want to
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Speaker 2: share a story to my listeners that Maddie has no
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Speaker 2: idea I'm about to say this.
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Speaker 1: I don't I'm so nervous. Don't be nervous.
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Speaker 2: Libra says, okay, because we're both libras, which means we're
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Speaker 2: good people.
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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, fine.
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Speaker 3: A few years.
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Speaker 2: Ago I had the pleasure of meeting ts Madison at
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Speaker 2: her home. We were working on a show about real
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Speaker 2: estate and TS Madison was going to appear on the show.
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Speaker 2: Long story short, I knew of her, but I didn't
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Speaker 2: know her and doing the filming process, you know, listen,
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Speaker 2: she's a pro.
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Speaker 3: She did her thing.
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Speaker 2: We were able to really sit down have a conversation
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Speaker 2: and she told me about her dreams, her aspirations, what
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Speaker 2: she wanted to achieve in life. And this is around
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. And then I said, keep in touch with me,
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Speaker 2: because I know a star when I see one.
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Speaker 3: And then fast.
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Speaker 2: Forward a few years later, I met her again downtown LA.
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Speaker 2: She just got done going through this very crazy process
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Speaker 2: with the former co host of hers and she was
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Speaker 2: working with a mutual friend of ours and I had
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Speaker 2: another sit down commerce with her and I was like, bitch,
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Speaker 2: I want to work with you.
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Speaker 1: I love you.
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Speaker 2: Long story short, it didn't happen, but I was always
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Speaker 2: aware that the stars were going to be aligned for you.
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Speaker 2: And I remember telling you like you are going to
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Speaker 2: be a big star one day, and I just want
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Speaker 2: you to know you stay being a good person, don't
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Speaker 2: be mean, don't be messy, be a good girl, and
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Speaker 2: I promise you You're going to achieve everything. And bitch,
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Speaker 2: in twenty and twenty motherfucking two, you are not only
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Speaker 2: starring in movies, You're not only.
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Speaker 3: Working alongside Queen Bee Beyonce.
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Speaker 2: You are hosting a new show with the World of Wonder,
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Speaker 2: and you are just achieving every single thing that your
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Speaker 2: hearts desires.
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Speaker 3: And I wanted to share the story first.
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Speaker 2: Before we get started, because I want people to know
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Speaker 2: your dreams may not come true when you want it right,
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Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean it's not going to happen. And
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Speaker 2: I'm not here to tell people to go to church
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Speaker 2: every day or whatever, but you must, you must have
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Speaker 2: a relationship with God in order to achieve your highest success.
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Speaker 2: Because when you are going through stuff that I went through,
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Speaker 2: Tes Madison went through, and you feel like, God, I'm.
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Speaker 3: Still here, don't forget about me.
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Speaker 2: You can sometimes think like I guess my time has
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Speaker 2: passed and Tes Madison is an example of somebody who
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Speaker 2: was patient and she's now prospering. So I just wanted
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Speaker 2: to say that.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Carlos, and listen, we still have work to
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Speaker 1: do you and I still have some work to do, yes,
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Speaker 1: because listen, I'm definitely a needed component to the Housewives
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Speaker 1: of Something. Yes, definitely a needed component. I mean, my
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Speaker 1: credentials are growing by the day of you know, where
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Speaker 1: I stand at in the entertainment business. So you know,
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Speaker 1: it's not like I'm just some random entertainer, you know,
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Speaker 1: ts Madison Honey, you know, Sampled by the Greatest, and
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Speaker 1: I have this the show Bring Back My Girls on
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Speaker 1: World Wild Persons plus World of Wonder has been my
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Speaker 1: family for a very very long time. And I have
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Speaker 1: to say World of Wonder has been an intricate part
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Speaker 1: of my journey because they create such niche content that
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Speaker 1: reaches a mass audience, and people get it when they
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Speaker 1: see World of Wonder productions, you know, people get it
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Speaker 1: like they understand that it's it's eclectic, and it's colorful,
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Speaker 1: and it's loud, live and in color. And I fit,
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Speaker 1: you know, right into that space with our World of Wonder.
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Speaker 1: And I have to say that when we first met
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Speaker 1: each other, World of Wonder was producing selling it in
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Speaker 1: an ato along with you, like you guys are doing
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Speaker 1: it together, y'all, y'all did it together. And they said
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Speaker 1: they slid me into that, like, hey, well, Maddie, you
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Speaker 1: know because you know we want to get you get
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Speaker 1: your foot wet, because you know we're going to try
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Speaker 1: to work on your reality television show then, and that
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Speaker 1: I was supposed to have a reality TV show back then,
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Speaker 1: and you know they were still trying to find it's footing.
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Speaker 1: You guys are on we TV M And that was
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Speaker 1: my first introduction to we TV was through your show
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Speaker 1: selling it in the at L and I met Lauren,
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Speaker 1: I think Lauren was Lauren came out to the house
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Speaker 1: and she sat down on this chair in here and
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Speaker 1: we were talking about Mary Mary. And I was very
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Speaker 1: you know, Carlos, I've always been raw and candid and
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Speaker 1: always been exactly who I am. And she said, I said, yeah, girl,
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Speaker 1: I watched I'm a fan of we TV and I
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Speaker 1: watched Mary Mary and I said, girl, the way y'all
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Speaker 1: doing that storyline with Tina and and she said, well,
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Speaker 1: what do you think about it? I said, do you
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Speaker 1: really want me to tell you what I think about it?
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Speaker 1: And she said yes, And you don't ask TS Madison
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Speaker 1: her real honest opinions about something, because you're gonna get
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Speaker 1: just that. And we left your set. We left from
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Speaker 1: doing this selling it in the ATF and we went
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Speaker 1: I went home, I mean they went home, and World
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Speaker 1: of Wonder call me and it says, Maddie, what did
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Speaker 1: you say? Because we TV wants to give you a
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Speaker 1: show and everything else from there has been it has
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Speaker 1: been magic from there, like you know, it took the
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Speaker 1: process whatever. I've been on a journey for a very
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Speaker 1: long time, and so I have several shows. I have
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Speaker 1: the TS mathsive experience, but I have to bring back
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Speaker 1: my girls. Listen, bring back my girls. I have to
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Speaker 1: tell you how honored I am to be a host
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Speaker 1: on this show because I get the opportunity to sit
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Speaker 1: down with the contestants from from various seasons and from
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Speaker 1: uh the different parts of the franchise. And there's so
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Speaker 1: many different personalities, so many different girls that come in
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Speaker 1: and they and they and I get to moderate and
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Speaker 1: host these panel of girls who are extremely talented, and
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Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the space and god, I hate to
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Speaker 1: say this, but I feel like mother, I feel like
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Speaker 1: I feel like Rue Paul sitting there, like these are
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Speaker 1: Rue Paul's girls, but these are my girls, honey, you know,
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Speaker 1: especially being such a huge factor in the LGBT community,
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Speaker 1: White black, Spanish, like just that's the entire spectrum of
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Speaker 1: the community, and being a figure in that community. And
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Speaker 1: all the girls come in there from UK, Canada, you know,
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Speaker 1: from all the places, from all the franchises, and we're
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Speaker 1: sitting here and they love me and they respect me,
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Speaker 1: and I get to talk about how amazing their season
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Speaker 1: was of the show.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy, No, it's beautiful, and it's long over due.
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Speaker 2: And as somebody who loves Rue Paul's Drag Race, huge
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Speaker 2: fan of the shows since the early days of it.
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Speaker 3: Being on logo, honey like and just being.
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Speaker 2: A gay black boy from Detroit, Michigan, knowing Rupe Paul
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Speaker 2: courtesy of his music videos back then, and just seeing
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Speaker 2: what she's been able to accomplish now. So, Honey, I'm
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Speaker 2: a part of the drag Nation and your show is
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Speaker 2: so good.
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Speaker 3: You're in your element.
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Speaker 2: I call a couple of episodes, you are right front
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Speaker 2: and center talking to these queens and even watching episode
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Speaker 2: two when you had which Listen, this may be controversial
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Speaker 2: about I'm going to say it. The season twelve cast
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Speaker 2: to me is the best cast of drag Race history.
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Speaker 2: In my opinion, I love twelve. They had the personality,
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Speaker 2: the look, and seeing you with those girls made me
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Speaker 2: just like I was like this little boy thinking like, bitch,
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Speaker 2: today is Christmas because I'm happy. What we noticed in
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Speaker 2: that episode though, was Jada Essence Hall wasn't there and
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Speaker 2: she was the win of that season.
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Speaker 1: So what happened, Well, you know, we filmed it in
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Speaker 1: front of a live audience at drag Con, and you know,
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Speaker 1: at the time, you know, maybe maybe she maybe her
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Speaker 1: schedule couldn't permit her to attend drag Con. But what
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Speaker 1: I did find is that, you know, we played off
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Speaker 1: of her absence. And when I said, well, since the
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Speaker 1: winner of the season is here, do you think real
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Speaker 1: picked the wrong girl? You know, just to you know,
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Speaker 1: you have to you know, be a little spicy, to
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Speaker 1: add a little spice to it. And every girl, you know,
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Speaker 1: it was just it's just fun. All the girls love
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Speaker 1: each other and they all respect each other. And what
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Speaker 1: was the most honorable thing to me in that situation
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Speaker 1: was remember season twelve, they never had the opportunity to
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Speaker 1: have a reunion. Yeah, they never had a chance to
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Speaker 1: have a reunion because of COVID, and so this was
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Speaker 1: their first time sitting down, you know, with with with
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Speaker 1: with the cast and having a real reunion. And Honey,
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Speaker 1: I was the host of that reunion. I said, okay, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: I'm standing in for mother.
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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, so you were the host of that reunion.
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Speaker 2: But I'm the host of reality for the King Podcast.
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Speaker 2: So I got to ask you the same question. Who
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Speaker 2: do you think should have won season twelve? If you
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Speaker 2: think it wasn't Jada, Oh.
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Speaker 1: God, listen, Mohart was there like uh Haidie and closet like,
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Speaker 1: it's so much talent on that stage and looking at
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Speaker 1: the runway, looking at the looks like looking at how
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Speaker 1: the girl's battle you know that season, I would be
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Speaker 1: it would be hard, it would be hard to pick.
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Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna let the fans claw my eyes out.
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Speaker 1: I'm not getting to that battle, honey. Oh, I'm not
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Speaker 1: about to let them dog me out like that, y'all. No,
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Speaker 1: you already know.
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Speaker 2: No, Listen, Jada Essence Hall deservingly won. She's beautiful, She's talented.
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Speaker 2: I mean she was the start of that season. Gigi
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Speaker 2: Good was an excellent runner up. And I'm gonna be
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Speaker 2: honest and listen, this takes nothing away from Jada. I
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Speaker 2: thought Gigi Good was going to win just based on
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Speaker 2: the you know, she she was never in the bottom two.
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Speaker 2: And I mean when when the bitch did that Madonna
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Speaker 2: imitation and she did a fucking cartwheel to the point.
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Speaker 3: Where Mother Rue even gagged.
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Speaker 2: I said, oh, this bitch, Gigi Good, it's so good,
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Speaker 2: She's going to win the damn thing. But Jada one
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Speaker 2: deservingly so. And that was the beauty of season twelve.
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Speaker 2: Was to your point, Haidi and Closet and all these
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Speaker 2: other amazing queens, everybody to me was a star that season.
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Speaker 2: And to see you on your show give them their
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Speaker 2: flowers too. I just think you're so perfect for that.
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Speaker 2: So did Rupe Paul single handedly request that you host
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Speaker 2: this brand new show?
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Speaker 1: You know, I would like to think that Mother a
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Speaker 1: single handedly requested me to host the show, But you know,
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Speaker 1: World of Wonder knows that. You know, the queens know
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Speaker 1: that I'm a staple in the community. Mother knows I'm
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Speaker 1: a staple in the community, you know, because this is
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Speaker 1: why I judge Drag Race too, you know, and when
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Speaker 1: they call me to do Drag Race, I judge judge
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Speaker 1: some you know, just the season sometimes. So you know,
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Speaker 1: it was just that perfect thing. Like the people love
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Speaker 1: to see me with the queens. They love to see
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Speaker 1: me because I'm not a drag queen. I'm a trans woman,
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Speaker 1: but I am into drag. Like you're not a drag queen.
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Speaker 1: You're a gay identified black gay boy, but you're into drag.
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Speaker 1: So you have to know that once again, the drag
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Speaker 1: is not an identity, It's an art form. And so
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Speaker 1: like you know, and you can be pieces of everything
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Speaker 1: and still be involved in drag, you know. And so
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Speaker 1: I love I loved being there, I loved doing the show.
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Speaker 1: I love, you know, being a part of it. And yes,
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Speaker 1: I do think that mother single hand. Yes, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: because she's the mother I'm the aunt honey, Yes.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, no, I love mother real.
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Speaker 2: And what is so interesting about you know, the Drag
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Speaker 2: Race fans, And we'll get into them and dissected in
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Speaker 2: a second, but Rupe Paul is someone I've always admired
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Speaker 2: because she's always been fearless.
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Speaker 3: And again, I.
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Speaker 2: Grew up in the eighties, and in the eighties, it's
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Speaker 2: not like it was now where I feel like, obviously,
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Speaker 2: it's much more accepting to see a drag queen and
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Speaker 2: to see a female performer or female personator, however you
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Speaker 2: want to call it. She is such a trendsetter. She
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Speaker 2: broke ground, and she's an legend and icon in my eyes.
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Speaker 2: When you are someone of that stature, obviously that comes
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Speaker 2: along with haters, and there's a lot of people who
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Speaker 2: say things like, well, RuPaul don't do much for the
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Speaker 2: black community.
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Speaker 3: RuPaul don't do much X, Y and Z.
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Speaker 2: You're someone who knows her personally, What can you tell
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Speaker 2: the listeners about.
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Speaker 3: RuPaul that we may not know in your relationship with her?
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. Let me just say this, okay,
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Speaker 1: and I say this, and I have to stand on
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Speaker 1: this for my even my own self, my existence, her existence,
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Speaker 1: that is her activism, that is her advocacy for her community,
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Speaker 1: for our community. She's a six foot tall black gay
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Speaker 1: man who who grew up in the eighties, who you know,
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Speaker 1: had to fight against racism, who had to fight against
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Speaker 1: her own people not want to accept her as you know,
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Speaker 1: because they see you, you know, doing things with white people.
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Speaker 1: Now you're too you know, now you're too white. You
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Speaker 1: don't do enough for blacks. You do so much for blacks,
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Speaker 1: now now you're pandering to the white folks and all
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Speaker 1: this stuff. Her existence, her presence, her just being, her
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Speaker 1: contribution to society is her winning. She's black, she's gay,
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Speaker 1: she's filmed, she's everything. And she has for numerous obstacles
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Speaker 1: and has gotten through and has created a show a
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Speaker 1: platform that reached back and gave queer people of all races, colors,
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Speaker 1: and creeds and opportunity to come and introduce themselves to
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Speaker 1: the world. That is her activism, that is her advocacy.
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Speaker 1: And she don't have to She don't have to respond
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Speaker 1: to anything. Her show does that, her platform does that.
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Speaker 1: It does people say to me O massaying, well, we well,
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Speaker 1: what do you don't you don't do enough for trans
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Speaker 1: people this and the other make honey. I'm a trans
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Speaker 1: woman existing, I'm a trans woman that's out here fighting
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Speaker 1: for her job, her career. So what you need to
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Speaker 1: do from that? Learn something from this? In the words
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Speaker 1: of Tyre Banks, yes, learn so take pieces of this
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Speaker 1: like I can't take your hand or walk you to
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Speaker 1: the ward and have you drink it. Girl. You know
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Speaker 1: I can't. I can't make you drink. I can lead
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Speaker 1: you there, you can. I'm the example. I'm the example
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Speaker 1: of all the things, all the hardships, all the all
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Speaker 1: the controversy, all the stuff that's stacked against me, and
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Speaker 1: I still pushed.
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Speaker 4: Through with me being black, with me being gay, with
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Speaker 4: me being fat, with me being crashed, with me being loud, obnoxious,
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Speaker 4: with me being an ex.
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Speaker 1: Porn star, all of this stuff. What you should take
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Speaker 1: from these things is this mission. Don't let nothing stop her.
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Speaker 1: Nothing That is my contribution. That is her contribution.
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Speaker 3: Who I hate just a rup but stay tuned for more.
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Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these quick ass. This is
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Speaker 2: reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get
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Speaker 2: back into the show. I'm getting so emotional right now
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Speaker 2: because I never heard anyone articulated the way you did
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Speaker 2: when you said her existence is her, AVA can see.
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Speaker 2: I think about Oprah Winfrey. I think about Beyonce, which
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Speaker 2: we'll get to a second. No, Shay, I think about myself, yourself.
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Speaker 1: Come on, hold on, before you even go there, Carlos,
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep it a butck with you. When
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Speaker 1: we were doing the TS Madison Experience on we TV,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I talked to Well the Wonder, who I
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Speaker 1: love immensely, and I explained to them, I need black producers,
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Speaker 1: I need black and brown workers. I need to see
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Speaker 1: black and brown face. I need to see black and
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Speaker 1: brown people here. I did not know how small. I
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Speaker 1: did not know how tight it is. So it took
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Speaker 1: us a second before we even got into production because
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Speaker 1: because they understood that, and they're like massive, We're gonna
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Speaker 1: go ahead. We're gonna find you black and brown people
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Speaker 1: to work so that you can feel comfortable to do
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Speaker 1: your show, so that people can get it, so that
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Speaker 1: you can be around and everybody knows the little nuances
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Speaker 1: and stuff that we don't have to explain because culturally
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Speaker 1: there are differences. And that's not shady or anything. There
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Speaker 1: are cultural differences, and so we need to be able
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Speaker 1: to understand that there were very small producers. Okay, when
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Speaker 1: you look around this world, there's Carlos King. You're at
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Speaker 1: the top of the list for a black producer. You
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Speaker 1: have to pat yourself on the back for that. You're
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Speaker 1: at the top of the list for black producers that
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Speaker 1: have done things. You've given us major television shows, and
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Speaker 1: I want to take my time and say thank you
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Speaker 1: and honor you for that. Some of them shows a
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Speaker 1: little messy, but we needed it.
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Speaker 2: Well, No, I thank you for that. I love you
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Speaker 2: and I appreciate you. And that's why I can relate
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Speaker 2: to what you're saying, because I feel like when you
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Speaker 2: are a black person and you reach a certain level
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Speaker 2: of success and you have a mainstream audience, and you know, listen,
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Speaker 2: through the grace of God and my hard work and
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Speaker 2: my experience, and this podcast has reached many demographics, and
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Speaker 2: I have this mainstream ass podcast and this mainstream career
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Speaker 2: where white women love me and I'm able to achieve
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Speaker 2: things that my brain never thought I could. And it
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Speaker 2: hurts me when people feel like, oh, where you need
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Speaker 2: to do more for the black community, When at the
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Speaker 2: end of the day, I appreciate what you're saying because
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Speaker 2: I have given more opportunities of black people than any
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Speaker 2: other person in unscripted television in the history of reality TV.
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Speaker 2: I have come with so many black people their first
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Speaker 2: executive producer credits. I am somebody who believes that when
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Speaker 2: you are given a chance to walk through a door. Baby,
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Speaker 2: you need to be Harriet Tubman and bring more people
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Speaker 2: on with you to put them in positions.
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Speaker 1: And you can't bring everybody. You can't bring.
21:51
Speaker 2: Everybody, No, you can't, you can't because not get everybody.
21:54
Speaker 2: You got to bring the right people. And that's what
21:57
Speaker 2: I'm even learning now and beyond. They even had to
22:00
Speaker 2: go through that in her career, to the point where
22:03
Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live did a skit a couple of years ago.
22:07
Speaker 2: Listen it's it was funny, but the topic was I mean,
22:11
Speaker 2: the skit was about the day people realized Beyonce was black.
22:16
Speaker 2: And this is after Formation came out, and Beyonce up
22:19
Speaker 2: until that point wasn't doing music that really focused on,
22:24
Speaker 2: you know, what was happening in the world. And you
22:27
Speaker 2: are somebody who is on her renaissance album. Yes, how
22:32
Speaker 2: did that come about to where you're already working with
22:35
Speaker 2: one icon named RuPaul Charles and now you're working with
22:39
Speaker 2: the mother of music Beyonce? Jasell knows Carter like, how
22:44
Speaker 2: did that even happen?
22:45
Speaker 3: Maddie?
22:46
Speaker 1: Well, how it happened was you know, they reached out.
22:52
Speaker 1: You know, George Floyd was murdered and during that time,
22:57
Speaker 1: another trans woman by the name of a Dior was
23:02
Speaker 1: beaten and it happened in the same city the same week,
23:08
Speaker 1: and like nobody was nobody, there was no outrage of it.
23:11
Speaker 1: There was no you know, there was no protest about it,
23:16
Speaker 1: you know, and she was beaten by like a store
23:19
Speaker 1: full of black people. And so I'm like, the spirit
23:24
Speaker 1: told me to go downstairs and just rent. I was
23:27
Speaker 1: angry about George Floyd, and I was also equally as
23:30
Speaker 1: angered about Eana Dior being beaten by all of these people,
23:35
Speaker 1: and like there's nobody outraged about it, And so I
23:39
Speaker 1: needed to make say speak to my people and say, hey, bitch,
23:45
Speaker 1: I'm black, I'm dark skinned, I'm all the shades of black.
23:50
Speaker 1: But I'm also trends at the same time. So when
23:56
Speaker 1: we when we were fighting on the front lines of
23:58
Speaker 1: black skin matters, all of it matters, all of it.
24:04
Speaker 1: We as black people have to we have to be
24:06
Speaker 1: protectors of all of us, not pick and choose which
24:10
Speaker 1: one of us are we going to be, you know,
24:13
Speaker 1: the protectors of her, which one we're gonna fight for,
24:15
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, we're all black.
24:18
Speaker 1: What about our black queer people what about our black
24:21
Speaker 1: you know, our black lesbian, gay, like everything that falls
24:25
Speaker 1: under the queer spectrum. What about us? You know, why
24:30
Speaker 1: do we why must we continue to alienate you know,
24:34
Speaker 1: all these people in our community. That's when do we
24:38
Speaker 1: stop being black? Does black stop it being gay? Does
24:44
Speaker 1: black stop it being queer? Does it stop it being trans?
24:47
Speaker 3: No?
24:48
Speaker 1: And so I ranted about it, and they got a
24:52
Speaker 1: hold of it, and like you know, and Beyonce was
24:55
Speaker 1: doing was working on her album during that time. We
24:58
Speaker 1: just didn't know it, and so they reached out to me.
25:02
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was park Wood. I thought it
25:04
Speaker 1: was just a random company that was reaching out to
25:08
Speaker 1: me that wanted to sample my voice. Because they was like,
25:11
Speaker 1: oh my god, this this statement was so powerful, Like
25:14
Speaker 1: if you watch the video, like it's a very powerful video.
25:17
Speaker 1: Because funky Doaneva reached out to me. It was like girl,
25:20
Speaker 1: she said, so you did something when you did this video.
25:23
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, because you know, Doaneva is
25:25
Speaker 1: real into you know, pro black and stuff like that.
25:28
Speaker 1: And so they reached out to me, they sampled it,
25:33
Speaker 1: they gave me some money. I didn't pay it any attention,
25:35
Speaker 1: and then I was out eating with a friend in
25:37
Speaker 1: La and my friend, who was also a part of
25:41
Speaker 1: the placements of the album, was like, girl, you're gonna
25:45
Speaker 1: gag and I was like, well, girl, what are you
25:47
Speaker 1: talking about? It was that girl they played sampled your
25:50
Speaker 1: voice and stuff, you know the record. They sampled it
25:53
Speaker 1: in Croatia and the people went crazy and I was
25:56
Speaker 1: eating my chicken. I was like, yeah, girl, I was
25:58
Speaker 1: like Okay. Then they came back and I was like Croatia, Like,
26:01
Speaker 1: so they're doing a test audience to like listen to
26:03
Speaker 1: this stuff, like well, what what what is what is
26:06
Speaker 1: it that they like? What is it? You know? And
26:08
Speaker 1: then I started thinking like, well, who is black? Like
26:11
Speaker 1: who would take that piece of that and say black?
26:15
Speaker 1: Like who is who's black? I was like, oh, Kenja
26:17
Speaker 1: Lamar ain't really fighting for no no thinking about no
26:20
Speaker 1: trans people or nothing like that. So then I was
26:23
Speaker 1: like Rihanna, I said, well she did no music, you know.
26:28
Speaker 1: I was like Beyonce, man. So I went back to
26:33
Speaker 1: eating and I was like, this could be Beyonce. And
26:38
Speaker 1: then it just went away because nothing, nothing had happened,
26:41
Speaker 1: you know. Then we fast forward to July of this
26:45
Speaker 1: year and I was I was coming home from uh,
26:49
Speaker 1: Costa Rica. And when I was coming home from Costa Rica,
26:54
Speaker 1: my email was going crazy and it was like massive,
26:58
Speaker 1: we need you clear as we need you to give
26:59
Speaker 1: us lyrics for song two. I was like, well, what
27:03
Speaker 1: is who is what?
27:05
Speaker 2: It's still an anonymous email without the Parkwood dot com address.
27:10
Speaker 1: Well it said park with at the bottom, okay, But
27:14
Speaker 1: I didn't pay it any attention. I wasn't paying attention
27:17
Speaker 1: to it like that until I send it over to
27:20
Speaker 1: my lawyer and my lawyer's like, bitch, this is Beyonce.
27:24
Speaker 2: I love that your lawyer said, bitchade girl, are you kidding?
27:31
Speaker 1: Why have y'all not responded to this email?
27:36
Speaker 2: And the rest is hitster read. I'm so proud of
27:40
Speaker 2: you because it sort of gives you your your permission
27:45
Speaker 2: and your clearance to to sort of say, in the
27:48
Speaker 2: words of Beyonce, I am.
27:49
Speaker 3: That girl, like I'm that girl.
27:52
Speaker 2: And when you think about your life and you said
27:54
Speaker 2: this earlier, and this is the only reason I'm talking
27:56
Speaker 2: about because you said out your own mouth, because I
27:58
Speaker 2: want to make sure that wasn't being respectful. But you know,
28:01
Speaker 2: you talked about obviously being a porn star at one
28:04
Speaker 2: one point of time, yes. And one thing that I'm
28:08
Speaker 2: a bit advocate for is sometimes in your life you're
28:13
Speaker 2: gonna do things that you know. You get older, you
28:16
Speaker 2: may say, okay, I've done that, but it doesn't it
28:19
Speaker 2: doesn't dictate.
28:21
Speaker 3: It does define me and dictate who I am for
28:23
Speaker 3: the rest of my life.
28:24
Speaker 2: And I look at you, a former adult star who
28:30
Speaker 2: is now starring in movies and hosting.
28:35
Speaker 3: Doing that time.
28:36
Speaker 2: Did you ever think, Maddie, that while you were going
28:39
Speaker 2: through that time in your life being a sex worker,
28:42
Speaker 2: that you would be somebody who has a freaking sample
28:48
Speaker 2: on a Beyonce.
28:49
Speaker 1: Song, a sample on a Beyonce song, a television show
28:53
Speaker 1: in her name, multiple shows, multiple movies, universal pick like.
28:59
Speaker 1: So no, I didn't. I knew that I was going
29:04
Speaker 1: to do something else because my ambitions and my dreams
29:06
Speaker 1: were bigger. I thought I was going to do some
29:08
Speaker 1: huge stuff in the in the adult film industry, like
29:11
Speaker 1: like you know create, you know, big films and the
29:14
Speaker 1: adult in the fielming you know. I was like, Okay, God,
29:17
Speaker 1: this is where I'm at. I'm just going to make
29:18
Speaker 1: the best of it. I'm gonna make the most that
29:19
Speaker 1: I can from it. But I also still had dreams
29:21
Speaker 1: and aspirations outside of that. And because I had dreams
29:26
Speaker 1: and aspirations outside of that, I just continue to work,
29:30
Speaker 1: you know, and social media came became like a It
29:35
Speaker 1: became like a machine for me because people were able
29:39
Speaker 1: to see me outside, see me with my clothes on,
29:42
Speaker 1: and see me outside of that. Like that was survival stuff. Child.
29:46
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about, you know. I just needed to
29:48
Speaker 1: survive at the time. This is what The path that
29:51
Speaker 1: I'm on now is the path that I've always wanted
29:54
Speaker 1: to be on, Like I've always wanted to be mean something,
29:59
Speaker 1: not just the star, but mean something, like my presence
30:03
Speaker 1: means something. Me being on that album means something because
30:08
Speaker 1: that statement that I made talking about Iana Dior and
30:13
Speaker 1: talking about George Floyd, that meant something to the world
30:17
Speaker 1: at the time. And for a for a global phenomenon
30:20
Speaker 1: like Beyonce who has resonated and gotten deep down into
30:24
Speaker 1: her blackness to put her voice mess her voice with
30:28
Speaker 1: mine signify the power of what I was saying. And
30:37
Speaker 1: I always knew that I was bigger than just being naked.
30:41
Speaker 1: I just had to be naked at the time to survive.
30:44
Speaker 1: But Honey, when I put those clothes on. Oh that's when,
30:47
Speaker 1: that's when the real power stepped in.
30:50
Speaker 3: I love all this, and not only that.
30:55
Speaker 2: You just got done starring in a big movie called
30:58
Speaker 2: Ros and I got a chance to see it doing
31:02
Speaker 2: opening weekend because I want to support you and miss Lawrence,
31:05
Speaker 2: because you all are my girls and guys and ladies
31:10
Speaker 2: and everyone.
31:11
Speaker 3: If you haven't seen this movie, go see it.
31:13
Speaker 2: But but not only is it funny, Maddie, you are funny.
31:17
Speaker 2: You are You're meant to be an actress. And this
31:20
Speaker 2: is no shame because you know I don't lie.
31:23
Speaker 3: I just keep my mouth shut if I don't see
31:25
Speaker 3: if I feel differently.
31:27
Speaker 2: You have this presence on camera where you drew me
31:30
Speaker 2: in and I thought, and this is not me being shady,
31:34
Speaker 2: I thought you should have had a bigger role because.
31:37
Speaker 1: To me, you were just so. I thought I should
31:39
Speaker 1: have had a bigger role too.
31:42
Speaker 3: So you didn't say I want to be respectful.
31:45
Speaker 1: It's okay, because listen, I love you because this is
31:47
Speaker 1: what you do and I so this is why we
31:49
Speaker 1: love each other. I thought I should have had a
31:51
Speaker 1: bigger role too, but you know I didn't. I didn't
31:53
Speaker 1: need to come in and outshine you. Know whatever, I
31:56
Speaker 1: understood my presence and what I was supposed to do
31:59
Speaker 1: and my place was. And also, you know, I'm also
32:02
Speaker 1: growing as an actor and as an actress because I'm
32:05
Speaker 1: used to being able to freeball. I'm used to reality like, well,
32:09
Speaker 1: I'm able to walk in the door and you know,
32:11
Speaker 1: there's no the only parameters I need to stay in
32:14
Speaker 1: is don't throw a bottle, you know, but you know
32:19
Speaker 1: you have parameters in then, and I had to learn
32:20
Speaker 1: how to you know that this is this person's part,
32:23
Speaker 1: This is their words, this is this is you know,
32:25
Speaker 1: in the reality world, I'm able to free flow. And
32:28
Speaker 1: just like with Bring Back My Girls, I understand that
32:32
Speaker 1: these even though I am a huge personality, these this
32:37
Speaker 1: is these girls time, and this is their time to
32:41
Speaker 1: talk about their experiences on the show, and this is
32:43
Speaker 1: their time to talk about, you know, you know, the
32:47
Speaker 1: ups and downs in their lives and what the show
32:48
Speaker 1: meant to them and how it changed their lives and
32:51
Speaker 1: the dynamics of you know, the way their lives is going.
32:54
Speaker 1: And I interjected here and there, you know, giving pieces
32:57
Speaker 1: of advice and words of encouragement, like, well, you know,
33:00
Speaker 1: one of the girls, we're talking about how she wanted to,
33:03
Speaker 1: you know, hurt herself because she was, you know, experiencing
33:07
Speaker 1: lots of distress from people online. And I said, girl,
33:11
Speaker 1: let me explain something to you. As much of an
33:13
Speaker 1: icon and as much as a figure that you see me, am,
33:17
Speaker 1: I struggle with those things too, because no matter how
33:20
Speaker 1: tough your skin is, there are things that can penetrate
33:22
Speaker 1: if you poke it enough. It will penetrate if you
33:26
Speaker 1: poke it enough. But what you have to understand is
33:29
Speaker 1: that those people that are poking at you, they could
33:31
Speaker 1: not walk a mouth in your shoes. And so lots
33:36
Speaker 1: of times people are poking and stabbing at you because
33:39
Speaker 1: they don't have the courage to be who you are.
33:42
Speaker 1: And so know that you are stronger than those people.
33:46
Speaker 1: And for me to be able to sit there and
33:48
Speaker 1: tell tell, you know, the one of the contestants this
33:52
Speaker 1: on the show at the reunion was a was a
33:54
Speaker 1: magical and magnificent thing for me because I was ministering
33:57
Speaker 1: back to myself, like all the great things that have happened,
34:00
Speaker 1: all the stuff that goes on in my world. People
34:04
Speaker 1: still poke and sometimes it gets through. But bitch, they
34:08
Speaker 1: ain't fucking.
34:09
Speaker 3: With me, Oh they ain't.
34:10
Speaker 2: They ain't and guys and girls and everyone go see
34:14
Speaker 2: the movie. She's really good in it. And I got
34:17
Speaker 2: two more questions for you. But Billy Eigner did a
34:22
Speaker 2: tweet saying he believes homophobia played a role in people
34:26
Speaker 2: not seeing it and they're not breaking records, right.
34:29
Speaker 3: What do you feel about that?
34:30
Speaker 2: Because one thing that I will say, and this is
34:32
Speaker 2: me creating shows, and I know what it's like to
34:34
Speaker 2: get a show canceled. I know what it's like to
34:36
Speaker 2: have a show to be a hit. As they create
34:38
Speaker 2: a I'm always like, well, bitch.
34:40
Speaker 3: At least one person saw it. I just that's just me.
34:45
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that comment about the reason why
34:47
Speaker 2: didn't do as well? Or do you think, bitch, for
34:49
Speaker 2: a first gay movie, it did damn well.
34:52
Speaker 1: I think for the first gay rom com of its
34:55
Speaker 1: kind to premiere from a major motion picture, we were
34:58
Speaker 1: in the we were They didn't do the projected numbers,
35:02
Speaker 1: but we were out of ten movies that was released,
35:05
Speaker 1: we were number four. We were number four out of
35:11
Speaker 1: ten movies that were we were out of the top ten.
35:13
Speaker 1: We were number four. And so when the day is done, growl,
35:19
Speaker 1: we can't we can say that, yes, homophobia does play
35:23
Speaker 1: a lot of part in a lot of things that
35:26
Speaker 1: you know that that are centered around LBGTQ. That makes it,
35:30
Speaker 1: you know, rocky. But at the end of the day,
35:34
Speaker 1: the responsibility lies upon the girls. The girls have to
35:40
Speaker 1: get out and support the girls because we are already
35:44
Speaker 1: in a system where people look at well if they don't,
35:48
Speaker 1: if they're not supporting themselves, how can we expect everybody
35:51
Speaker 1: else to How can we put anything else out nobody?
35:53
Speaker 1: They're not going to watch that. And here's where where
35:57
Speaker 1: we were. We are our own worst enemy. We must
36:02
Speaker 1: know that it's our numbers that count, not there, it's
36:10
Speaker 1: our numbers. This is why when you drop a new show,
36:14
Speaker 1: you might not see me being one of the people
36:16
Speaker 1: that watch it. I'm one of the people that's watching
36:18
Speaker 1: your show because I know that there are this many
36:23
Speaker 1: black producers of television out there, and I know that
36:26
Speaker 1: in order for things to continue to for me as
36:30
Speaker 1: also now an executive producer of things, I need to
36:35
Speaker 1: show up for you so that your neighbors can grow,
36:38
Speaker 1: so that people can show up for me, so that
36:40
Speaker 1: my numbers. I need you to win so that you
36:42
Speaker 1: can continue to open the door for me. They need
36:45
Speaker 1: to look at yours and say, well, Carlos is a
36:47
Speaker 1: black gaming who's created these shows, so it could work. Yes, Yes,
36:54
Speaker 1: we have to show up for each other. We have
36:57
Speaker 1: to show up for each other. And I think that
36:59
Speaker 1: the fault. It's not within the straight community. It's not
37:02
Speaker 1: the straight community's fault because I don't expect no straight
37:04
Speaker 1: bitch to do anything for me. You know, I don't
37:07
Speaker 1: expect them to do a fucking thing for me. My sisters,
37:09
Speaker 1: you better.
37:10
Speaker 2: Be there, yes, and be there with her new show,
37:14
Speaker 2: Bring Back My Girls, bitch.
37:16
Speaker 3: Oh while, so let them know what it's plus.
37:18
Speaker 1: Yes, be there for for Bring Break My Girls on
37:21
Speaker 1: Wild Presents Plus. Honey, download the app. It ain't it ain't.
37:25
Speaker 1: It's not expensive, Honey. You got Netflix. Get the damn
37:28
Speaker 1: Wild Presents Plus because it has it has our content,
37:33
Speaker 1: It has our content. This is for us. Yes, you can.
37:37
Speaker 1: The straits can watch it. That's good if they love
37:39
Speaker 1: you watching it. But girl, this is.
37:41
Speaker 3: For us, and it's good and it's good.
37:44
Speaker 2: Got a sneak pick of three episodes, and I'm telling
37:46
Speaker 2: y'all it's good and you.
37:47
Speaker 3: Better watch it. Watch it.
37:49
Speaker 2: So my last question is that I want to play
37:52
Speaker 2: a quick game with you. It's called the fandom question.
37:57
Speaker 2: You and I love reality TV shows and I've had
38:02
Speaker 2: this debate. I'm going to play along with you, but
38:05
Speaker 2: I want to get the Queen Maddie's opinion. Okay, every
38:11
Speaker 2: reality show has fandom, like the fans are intense, right,
38:17
Speaker 2: we love them, but they could be a little intense.
38:19
Speaker 2: So I have three shows, The Real Housewife franchise, The
38:25
Speaker 2: Bachelor franchise, and drag Race franchise.
38:30
Speaker 3: Out of those three shows, which fan base is.
38:34
Speaker 2: The most intense in the sense of they were rita
38:38
Speaker 2: bitsch for filth.
38:39
Speaker 1: Honey, you not going nowhere with the with the games.
38:42
Speaker 1: The drag Race fair will tear you to pieces. The
38:47
Speaker 1: drag Race girls will let you hold it. Okay, you
38:54
Speaker 1: don't want to tell you The drag Race fan they
38:57
Speaker 1: tells mother up. You let mother, don't crown who they want.
39:02
Speaker 1: They be tearing mother up for for months to come.
39:07
Speaker 1: They flow on the inside. What The drag Race fans
39:13
Speaker 1: are almost as deadly as the barb And you know
39:17
Speaker 1: the barbs ain't nothing to be tampera at. It's the barbs,
39:21
Speaker 1: then the beehive, because the beehive is deadly too. But barbs.
39:24
Speaker 2: The barbs are are above the beehive in terms of fandom. Baby,
39:30
Speaker 2: so okay, and it's funny, so I agree with you.
39:34
Speaker 2: So it's it's drag race the barbs the beehive than housewives.
39:40
Speaker 1: Yes, because housewives they deadly too.
39:43
Speaker 3: Oh they are the trust me.
39:45
Speaker 1: The housewives are deadly, oh.
39:47
Speaker 2: Baby, they go in and and okay, so they.
39:51
Speaker 1: Full of because they full of queens too, They full
39:53
Speaker 1: of Queen Sue. But they older queens, you know, the
39:57
Speaker 1: older queen. It's the young girls, you know. Rad Race
40:00
Speaker 1: appeals to a mass audience, and they appeal to an
40:04
Speaker 1: audience of young people, like of all ages, but those
40:07
Speaker 1: young girls. Listen, you put a blade in a young
40:10
Speaker 1: bitch hand and watch you get cut.
40:15
Speaker 2: And on that note, Maddie, thank you for gracing me
40:19
Speaker 2: with your presence. I know you are a very busy girl. Yes,
40:22
Speaker 2: thank you for taking time out to be in reality
40:24
Speaker 2: for the king. And let the let the listeners know
40:26
Speaker 2: where they can find you follow against the partry in
40:28
Speaker 2: my love.
40:29
Speaker 1: Listen, I am all things. At the Real test Madicine
40:32
Speaker 1: or just Tis madisone. You'll find me Instagram at the
40:34
Speaker 1: Real Tis Madison, YouTube at the Real Tis Madison, Twitter,
40:39
Speaker 1: Tis the Royal Tis like it's just I'm just tears
40:42
Speaker 1: master everywhere and Carlos, I got a great project idea
40:47
Speaker 1: that me and you need to sit down with World
40:49
Speaker 1: of Wonder and talk about because I need you to
40:50
Speaker 1: get me on b E T Plus. I need some
40:54
Speaker 1: black I got some black stuff that I'm ready to
40:56
Speaker 1: put get together for b ET plus. Honey, that's the
40:59
Speaker 1: visit wow at your boy? Yeah all right, but thanks
41:04
Speaker 1: Maddie girl, I love you.
41:10
Speaker 2: I am so happy that I was able to catch
41:12
Speaker 2: up with my good.
41:13
Speaker 3: Girl TS Madison.
41:15
Speaker 2: She is such a gem and look, I am really
41:18
Speaker 2: proud of her because she really wanted to be the
41:22
Speaker 2: woman that she's become taking over Hollywood, the music industry
41:28
Speaker 2: and look here, Ts Madison, when you get a Parkwood box, bitch, get.
41:32
Speaker 3: Beyonce my actress girl, because I want one to child.
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Speaker 2: by Stitcher. It is executive produced by Me Carlos King
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Speaker 2: and Jasmine Heilly Brown. We are also produced by Lashiq,
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Speaker 2: Lotus Lee, and Brandon Nix. Engineering and music by Marcus
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Speaker 3: Ham More Sauce