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Why a Puppy's Medication Sent Me Back to the Worst Day | Episode 485 · Voices for Voices®

• 0:02
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Hi everyone, it's Justin here with Voices for Voices.
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• 1:05
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So this particular episode, it is uh it's a little bit of a somber episode, I would I would say um so we'll jump we'll jump right in.
• 1:21
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh I'm sure a lot a lot of you watching and listening, either personally or know somebody in your family that you care about that may be declining in health, I guess, would be the way that I would characterize it.
• 1:53
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And sometimes uh sometimes we we witness things and uh anyways, and so this is an area of trauma that I really haven't addressed for me.
• 2:17
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Um so my grandma uh my my grandma White House.
• 2:26
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So first I want to start with a little bit of uh uh I don't wanna I don't know if it's humor, but it's uh it's more up uh more uplifting than the other part, the other parts we're gonna discuss all affecting mental health.
• 2:54
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh so my so my grandma white house, my my dad, my dad's mom, uh we went to we was declining in health.
• 3:13
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I don't know how much we knew it, or I guess how much I knew of it, because my family kept a lot of things for me, which is I I look back and I'm given my emotional and the mental challenges I have, I guess it was probably better that way.
• 3:40
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Um but there were a few times we would we'd go eat and then we would stop at a local grocery store and so I don't I don't I don't I don't consume alcohol anymore.
• 4:07
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: We've already discussed this at length.
• 4:10
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Um drinking wine is apparently supposed to be good for you.
• 4:21
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh you know what having in moderation, of course, is the key.
• 4:30
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And I remember a couple times, but I think one one really stood out.
• 4:39
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So we uh so picked picked my grandma up, went to eat, I think we went to eat lunch, and then we went to the local grocery store because she was a firm believer, as I guess we all should be, is looking for a deal, looking looking for a discount.
• 5:08
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so she was taking the advice of her doctor saying, Red wine's good for you, wine's good for you.
• 5:22
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And it's crazy saying that because I since I don't drink anymore, it's just those words just usually don't don't come out uh of my mouth, really, uh just kind of helpful for me to just focus on other things.
• 5:40
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So we went to the went to the grocery store, and on the way, my my grandma was saying, like, oh, you get a discount if you I don't know, I think it was like if you were if you got six bottles uh of wine and and then they give you like a carrying case, but the ones that she wanted were like the bigger ones because she wanted the quantity, so it just wasn't one of these quantity stores where you get huge quantities and at a little bit of a reduced price per item per ounce.
• 6:32
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so we walked in and she was like, we gotta go get like the only reason why we went to the store was for the wine because she was running out, and and so she was having she was drinking just a glass a day, and and so we went and and she's like you know, tell them that you know I should get a quantity discount, and I should get this carrier to be able to put the wine in, and it kind of just made me chuckle just a little bit because of how adamant she was about it, and but it makes complete sense, made complete sense if you find something that you use or drink or eat or what have you, and you're able to get at a quantity discount, and especially uh come in a holder, these are like the larger bottles of of uh of wine.
• 7:49
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh so I don't know that six fit in there, I think it might have been four.
• 7:54
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Anyways, she's like, they better give me my dis like we're waiting in line, and they better give you my discount, you know, because this is made the heroes for six, but I can only fit four in.
• 8:08
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh and so we ended up getting the discount, and that's literally we took the cart and then went out to the car, and then went went back to her and my grandpa's house.
• 8:26
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: My grandpa had passed uh at this by this point.
• 8:30
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh and and so her thing, one of the things she would always always say to me is uh save your money, which is I I think good advice for anybody.
• 8:54
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh and and then the other couple things uh was she would tell me like, oh, I had like two glasses yesterday, I got out of hand, and so it was kind of a little bit a little bit funny, uh, and then she would listen to jazz music, uh and you know, oldies music, and that was what she liked to do, you know, as as the years progressed.
• 9:31
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh she lived in the into her 90s, and uh I unfortunately you've heard heard me talk about that.
• 9:40
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: She passed uh during the week of the week before my wedding.
• 9:47
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh and so I was dealing with myself, and I knew she was not in great health, and that's one of my one of my regrets is not being able to say you know, proper goodbye, give her a hug and a kiss, and uh so to the to this day that that's one of these you know I know we're not perfect, we we can't be perfect.
• 10:21
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Um I mean to tell you how bad my anxiety was to go get a haircut that takes because I think I was getting it like I wasn't growing it out like I have been recently, and so like a buzz cut maybe five to ten minutes or so, and I had so much anxiety that I was like, oh my gosh, I have incredible anxiety.
• 11:06
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: One of the reasons I did was because one of the one of the companies that I resigned from, my barber was really good friends with an individual who worked at that that company.
• 11:25
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so in my mind, I'm thinking because I had been getting asked questions about are you okay?
• 11:35
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I heard you left your jobs, everything okay, and I'm not good at confrontation at all.
• 11:49
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so I had this like fear, and this so this was I mean the odds of something drastic catastrophic that was gonna happen in those ten minutes at the barber shop was very close to zero.
• 12:15
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Yet here I am.
• 12:18
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I'm I'm just beside myself.
• 12:22
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So fortunately, grandma passed out during the week before my wedding.
• 12:31
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh and so now we get to back up the story a little bit.
• 12:43
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So prior to my grandma's passing, she was at a you know care facility.
• 12:53
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: She had a couple a couple different ones.
• 12:57
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh because certain things medically happen, and so start at the hospital and then I'm gonna say like a step down from the hospital, I guess.
• 13:15
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh, but where where we wanted her wasn't available, there wasn't a bed available, a room available for her.
• 13:25
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh until there was.
• 13:29
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And at this previous job, I would uh because of where this care facility is located, I would try to stop by because it was on my way home.
• 13:50
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I tried to stop by even if it was for a few minutes, if I could.
• 13:57
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Right?
• 13:58
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: We look back and say, well, who doesn't have a who doesn't have a few minutes?
• 14:05
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Even if it's just sitting with a loved one.
• 14:10
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Forget the quality of conversation of that, just sitting.
• 14:16
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I mean, I'm sitting right next to my dog that had surgery yesterday, and she's just resting lethargic, but she's cuddled up next to me, and I know we can't talk to pets in real life, but you know, she'll communicate try to communicate with barks and growls and all that, so that I don't know what all that means, but right now she's recovering, and so just being in the same room as me or someone in our family, my wife in the office, daughters at school, you know, at school, we're doing the show, and so I know how important just sitting and being with somebody.
• 15:22
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I mean, I re I remember multiple episodes talking about when I was in 2017 when I was coming out of the hospital where my dad would come up, he would drive 40 minutes or so, and he would just sit with me.
• 15:44
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: We wouldn't have to have a conversation for hours, we would just be watching.
• 15:49
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I mean, I think there was like some golf on and different things, and uh and so we don't always have to use words to show our presence or to feel like oh well I didn't get a chance to talk to her or him.
• 16:17
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So my visit didn't matter, it's not that so on one of these visits I came by to visit my grandma White House her her health was declining.
• 16:43
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Wasn't in the end days per se at that point that I'm referring to.
• 16:52
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And you know, sometimes she'd be like you know, she would throw her food.
• 17:00
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I mean, I'm sure I'm gonna be like that someday, I'm gonna be the person I like she doesn't like it or whatever.
• 17:10
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: She just pushed the tray away, and uh, but there's one thing that she did kind of like, and I said, You want to go get some ice cream?
• 17:22
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so they had uh like a vanilla ice cream machine, maybe it may have been chocolate too, in any event, and so that was kind of something that I was like, you wanna get some ice cream?
• 17:41
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So after that, the staff was telling me that she was getting really worked up.
• 17:49
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: She said she won't my grandma said she wanted to leave, uh, and she had her purse, which didn't have anything in it, because given her health, uh I think we had like like a pair of glasses, and I think that might just been magnifying, you know, magnified uh because her eyesight had been declining rapidly.
• 18:24
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so there was like a couple things.
• 18:28
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so she would it was like the cutest thing.
• 18:34
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: She would carry it.
• 18:38
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: She'd be in her wheelchair, right? 'Cause people progress and age and in that their bones get more brittle, their strength decreases, and and so people would be just sitting in their wheelchair, and that was just the way they they were mobilizing.
• 19:10
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Or there's you know, lazy boy chairs that families would say, hey, not that it had to be a lazy boy chair, and lazy boy is not one of our sponsors, so I just wanted to share that.
• 19:25
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Um and so the residents, a lot of them would be there was this line of lazy boy type chairs where right, like if if your loved ones aren't gonna be head heading back to their home, you know, there's furniture, and so a lot of people they donate it, and it's that's uh a grand jest gesture is to you know donate something and that some people are going to be helped by.
• 20:13
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So it's usually wheelchairs or you know a comfy chair.
• 20:24
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so I I I came and this particular day she w my my grandma wasn't quite in in in the wheelchair.
• 20:39
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Um and so she had her purse and and she's like and so I'm there and she says, we need to get out of here.
• 21:00
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: We we we need to get out of here, let's go, like, let's break out of this care facility, like James Bond or whatever.
• 21:13
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Um, and I'm only laughing because it's like I can imagine myself doing that when I get older of being like, let's go, let's go, let's get out of here.
• 21:25
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And she was my grandma's just so worked up like she was just it was just it was hard because it wasn't like she said it once and then you know, we moved on to the next thing, like the ice cream or something else.
• 21:55
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: She was saying it over and over again, we gotta get out of here.
• 21:59
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Let's go.
• 22:00
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Are you coming with me?
• 22:01
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And I'm like, Grandma, like we we can't.
• 22:05
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Like, oh, these you know, the people here, they're helping you.
• 22:12
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So, no, we we we can't go.
• 22:16
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And she goes, fine, I'll go by myself.
• 22:19
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I'm like, oh my gosh.
• 22:23
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And the staff was like my grandma's kind of getting a little bit combative, like, come on, let's go.
• 22:34
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Alright, you don't want to come?
• 22:36
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I'm gonna I'm going, I'm going back to my house.
• 22:41
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so I was tearing up because I knew she wasn't going back to her house.
• 22:49
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And in her mind, that's where it's where she wanted to go, where she felt that that's what I mean, she couldn't drive.
• 22:59
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So there like there was really no way that she was gonna be able to go.
• 23:05
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Um, and and she was at a at a point where sometimes family members can take their family member to go get something to eat outside of the facility, or maybe a celebration, like a part, like a birthday party or something.
• 23:27
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so, you know, you have to sign out, and then you gotta bring them back and all those things, but that wasn't gonna happen uh unfortunately.
• 23:38
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So I was tearing up because I'm like, she's uh she doesn't know she's not gonna be able to go back home basically, you know, where she was at was her home.
• 23:58
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So she was so worked up that the staff said we you know we gotta we gotta calm her down.
• 24:17
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And before I say this next part, first off, I have a I have tattoos.
• 24:22
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: They're used there's needles used when I have to get blood drawn, I don't like it.
• 24:32
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I use I always have to be laying down, it's not fun, it's just the way my body is.
• 24:40
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And one of the phlebotomists said, You have all these tattoos, and I said, Look, I'm telling you, uh, I need to be laying down when we do this because I'm gonna probably pass out.
• 24:58
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Oh, you'll be fine, be fine.
• 25:00
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Well, I almost passed out.
• 25:02
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I had a white t-shirt on, there was a little bit of blood on it, and I came to it.
• 25:09
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And of course, what does the phlebotomist say?
• 25:12
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Make sure next time you tell the person that's drawing blood about this, and I said, I told you, and you didn't listen to me.
• 25:26
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So there's the needles, the tattoos, the drawing of blood, all these things.
• 25:32
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So I'm already basically terrified of needles, even even getting uh shots.
• 25:49
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: That's what they are.
• 25:50
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Call them vaccines, most of them are shots, some help more than others.
• 26:01
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: We're not gonna get into that.
• 26:03
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: We've already gotten into that, and we'll probably get into that topic another day, but not today.
• 26:11
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So fast forward, I'm at the care facility.
• 26:17
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: My grandma's being restless.
• 26:20
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Staff's like, well, we need we need to we need to get her calmed down for her her safety.
• 26:27
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Like, we don't want her to get like to hurt herself, like fall or run into something.
• 26:35
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Like I said, her eyesight was really bad.
• 26:39
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Um and so the staff pulled out a needle, and they said this is oh what they say it was adrenaline, and I'm not a medical person, so I don't understand.
• 27:03
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I thought adrenaline is what you're trying to lower, but apparently getting a little bit of adrenaline helps calm down a person.
• 27:19
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I don't understand that.
• 27:21
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I'm just telling you what what was happening and what happened.
• 27:26
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so they they said we have to we have to get we have to get your grandma basically stabilized.
• 27:37
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so I had to physically hold my grandma not so hard, but enough pressure so that when they were gonna give the shot, um, you know, she wouldn't like move her arm and then draw and then cause more blood and that.
• 28:16
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So they administered the shot of adrenaline.
• 28:24
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And I'm just thinking of all these different things as they they come up, and and and today it was one of those days where I had a ton of trauma from that.
• 28:46
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Number one, you know, having my grandma being combative on combative, I'm like, that's not my grandma.
• 28:56
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: That she's not like that's that's not her.
• 29:01
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And then I have to hold her in place so that the staff could administer the adrenaline.
• 29:15
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Fast forward 2024, early 2024.
• 29:26
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I'll bring it up just as one time.
• 29:29
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: The turbo cancer, the the COVID shot likely caused my dad to have the turbo cancer stage four, less than a year to live.
• 29:46
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so my dad's on hospice.
• 29:52
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I'm sure a lot of you know what hospice is.
• 29:54
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: If you don't, Google it, and Google's not a sponsor, so it doesn't matter what search engine you use.
• 30:06
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And in my dad's final days, I'm just moving a little more comfortable here.
• 30:16
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: There we go.
• 30:18
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh in the last days of my dad being alive on Earth because of the pain he was in, because of this stage four turbo cancer.
• 30:46
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: One of the last kinds of medications that's administered is morphine.
• 30:59
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I thought it was only administered through an IV, so I don't even know why it brought that, it's nothing to do with it, but because we're afraid of my dad choking, and the medical staff we were starting to administer medication and towards or at the very end, one of them was morphine.
• 31:36
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Very powerful, very very strong.
• 31:43
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Only usually used in a professional setting.
• 31:51
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Can be monitored, person can be monitored.
• 31:59
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And because we didn't want my dad to choke, and chewing was out, he wasn't able to chew food very well, and that kind of goes with the choking that if you get a little bit of food, you can't chew it up, then it gets it, tries to swallow.
• 32:30
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So it wasn't understanding as as much as he always had been.
• 32:53
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Not in a needle, but in a syringe that looks like a needle.
• 33:00
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And I just I couldn't I couldn't come to to do it.
• 33:07
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I and so you kind of see the evolution of needles and and the like through different experiences in my life.
• 33:28
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So what's that have to do with April 2026?
• 33:36
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Our puppy Lucy goes in for her um goes in for her surgery.
• 33:48
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: She's doing very well.
• 33:53
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And then we've never my family's never had a pet.
• 33:58
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Again, we we had a an outdoor dog for from what I remember growing up, I don't know for how many years, but it wasn't many.
• 34:11
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Fortunately, Doug his way out of the fence, got struck by car trauma.
• 34:24
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So with Lucy after her surgery, I picked her up, there's antibiotics for her to take, um because of pain, infection.
• 34:51
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh she's it's obviously more lethargic.
• 34:56
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: I mean, any of us would be after any type of surgery.
• 35:00
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Yeah, it'll take a while.
• 35:01
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Like, like right now, it's part of it is part of our lethargic is the anesthesia that's working its way out of her system.
• 35:23
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so here we are again with and we've done it with our daughter with antibiotics and you know uh other other medication with uh with a syringe.
• 35:50
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So now we have now we have four syringes, four days of antibiotics for for her, as well as she has a little she has a little cone on her head uh to help her because as we're finding out I don't know if cats are the same, but dogs like to lick themselves.
• 36:22
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh, and so this helps with the um the stitches and that to be uh be healing and not have them lick themselves and then you know get an infection or have the stitches come out and that.
• 36:45
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so this episode's been a lot of anyway.
• 36:52
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So that's that sort of just to kind of wrap that up with syringes, needles, and that up till now in my life.
• 37:00
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so when I saw those when when I when I picked Lucy up yesterday, it took me automatically back my mind to those different times that I shared earlier in our show.
• 37:20
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And I believe that I I've I've gotten some trauma from kind of each one of those.
• 37:38
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Uh even with our daughter, you know, we're administering medication medicine, and I'm sure I was probably the same way when I was growing up, throwing, you know, just going, no, I don't want it, and then just being so upset.
• 37:58
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And then somehow, some way I would take it, and so it's the same way with our child.
• 38:06
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: But she doesn't like taking it again.
• 38:14
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: We're just talking about through the syringes.
• 38:20
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: My grandma and me having to give blood for testing and that, you know, and tattoos, you know, those are needles, and then the other ones are syringes.
• 38:42
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: So why why did I bring up all this for our show?
• 38:48
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: One it is real life.
• 38:54
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Two, uh it's a hard these are hard topics to really verbalize and to share.
• 39:02
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: But we do cover hard topics and we do share them.
• 39:09
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: Third is it deals with mental health and trauma that ten years from now I'll probably be the same way if I see needles or syringes, or it's just one of those things where it just takes my mind back to to these uh to these events, these experiences.
• 39:50
  Justin Alan Hayes, Voices for Voices: And so I just want to say it's okay.
• 39:54
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