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Gardening in Small Spaces · In the Garden with UC Master Gardeners

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  SPEAKER_00: The opinions and views expressed in this program do not reflect those of KECI FIITS Management or the UC Board of Regents.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is In the Garden, produced by UC Master Gardeners in Orange County.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Sally Richards and I'm Anne Lou.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're just going to chat this morning about some of the problems of having a small space, maybe not a huge garden space, and and how to use it the most successful way of getting the most plants out of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ann, do you have some ideas about that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Everyone has a little section in their garden or maybe a little window ledge in their home or a small porch area or patio that can use some sprucing up through the seasons.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's some design ideas that I think fit lots of people, not just for apartment dwellers.
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  SPEAKER_02: For example, it's nice to provide an idea a feeling of enclosure in your garden, a feeling of a space that is peaceful, meditative, enjoyable, just to sit there and relax.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, sometimes when people have balconies, that's a perfect spot for that because it is already have some of the structure there for an enclosure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I know you're going to be talking about some lattices and uh containers, so we'll save that for later.
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  SPEAKER_02: But all that gives the idea of an enclosure.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when you're looking out at this small section that you're going to garden in, it's nice to think of your framing of view.
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  SPEAKER_02: So as you look out, you want it to have the focal point, the color, the different textures from the plants as well as the pots, a feeling of abundance, that there's a lot going on, interests, a little bit of whimsy, all those are good design principles to carry into your small gardening space.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times it doesn't just have to be flowers.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can intersperse flowers and vegetables at the same time and still get that illusion.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe your vegetables will be a lot of the green part, and then you're adding these little whimsy of a few little flowers placed here and there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: And like if you're growing lettuce, lettuce can introduce color from just the leaves.
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  SPEAKER_02: So not thinking of the plants just for flowering and ornamentals, your vegetables can introduce lots of color, like your onions, the white from the bulbs.
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  SPEAKER_02: Also add interest.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well we um have some really good ideas for small space gardening, and that could be you and your condos.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe uh you have uh the lower lucky uh lower space in your uh apartment complex and you have a little bit of dirt soil, sorry, um, around your space where you can plant things.
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  SPEAKER_01: But for those of you who are really, really in a confined area, we found some really interesting ways for you to use the space that you do have for putting plants in maybe unusual spaces.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, one of the things you do need to consider is if you're in a condo and you have an HOA or an apartment complex that has an HOA, make sure that you know what their regulations are.
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  SPEAKER_01: If they don't allow you to put things on the railing or there any kind of restrictions on what can be seen from the sidewalk, make sure you check that out first because you don't want to get into trouble after putting in all that effort.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and then someone comes and says, Oh, sorry, you can't have those growing there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you'll probably know if you're walking around your complex, if you see other people doing it, then you'll know that it's probably okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's always good to check, especially the HOAs.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, the HOAs generally the whole general idea for having rules and regulations, how distasteful that may seem to feel.
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  SPEAKER_02: The general idea is to make that area safe.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you have a uh patio that has a wooden deck, you don't want to have drainage from your pot sitting on the wood.
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  SPEAKER_02: You want to have some kind of collection dish for the dripping water so that it doesn't cause wood rot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, and also the people that live below you, I'm sure they don't appreciate little water coming down from For sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: So looking at the HOA regulations as something uh uh positive to create a safe environment that is enjoyable for everyone.
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  SPEAKER_02: And having a small garden that is uh pleasurable to look at at all times, something to pick up your spirits when the day may be damp and cloudy, it's always nice to have something cheery to look at.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and some of the things that you can use that I found have been real helpful um are for all of you that drink two-liter bottles of pot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um you can use those containers by cutting them from the side and making a square opening in it and keep the cover on, and then you can put soil in there and you can actually put your plants in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can either buy plants and and you can get them little six-packs like lettuce, and I'll be getting into um the different types of plants to be growing right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I know this is December, but yes, we can grow plants at this time of year.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is I always call it my winter garden, and then we have the summer garden.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there are really a lot of plants that grow well in um the cooler weather.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's the value of living here in Orange County.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have warm weather most of the year, and this Mediterranean climate allows us to grow just about everything year round.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I came from Michigan and we only had like four or five months, and that was it, and I thought, oh my gosh, I'm in paradise now, because now I can grow stuff all year round, and I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, one of the plants that's really a good plant to have uh growing at this time of year, especially, and is very pretty, are strawberries.
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  SPEAKER_01: And maybe don't think of that as being, of course, not a vegetable or a flower, but it is really has flowers on it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you can grow those in any kind of pot.
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  SPEAKER_01: They actually the the fruit goes over the edge of the pot and it you can see the flowers on it first, and then it has the berries on it after that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's really a nice, especially a nice treat.
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  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of a treat, there's nothing like having your grandchildren come over and them finding those little red strawberries.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're so sweet when they're homegrown.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can start strawberries in the cooler season as bare root plants.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did you know that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and the nice thing about strawberries are and this is a little propagation tip because I love strawberries.
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  SPEAKER_01: Once you get those plants in there, in there laying on the ground, they actually send out runners later after they produce the strawberries.
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  SPEAKER_01: And those will be your plants for next year.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can keep those that have rooted and you don't have to buy strawberries ever again because they will always continue to root the next year and the next year and the next year.
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  SPEAKER_02: They self-propagate and you have plenty of strawberries.
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  SPEAKER_02: You have to do keep in mind though, uh, it's not just humans who love those sweet berries.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have to protect them from those little critters.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so when uh we're going to be talking about some tips and tricks of how to protect your vegetables.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I'm gonna just drop it right now, drop one uh trick in case our list listeners don't have time to listen to our whole show today.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you can protect it by building a little armor guard from the top half of your gallon plastic container, your gallon your milk gallon container.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can cut off the bottom and use it for something else, but the top part with the spout and the handle can be used to make a little coat of armor for your strawberries, so that the snails, slugs, pillbugs, and all those uh insects that compete with you for those delicious sweet berries, uh the little shield protects it so you can have it for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's a terrific even if you're in a colder area, if you happen to be listening to the podcast um somewhere where it's colder, this is a great thing if there's going to be any frost at night.
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  SPEAKER_01: Does it protect your young plants too?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um there's a little, you know, from the top of your milk carton, you can just put the little cap on if you want to.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um but the nice thing about the milk carton is the sun still does get through it because it's uh clear enough that the sun gets through, but it really protects it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then if you want to, if you cut off the bottom and put little holes in it, that's another place to be able to start some of your seeds, put in some soil, and we'll talk about that later too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um one of the things that I did want to talk about, if you have a space, don't have a lot of space, and you want to go up, you want to do vertical gardening, you can use trellises, and there are all kinds of trellises that you can use.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some of them I found that are very inexpensive are uh five-gallon drums.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, you go to those big box stores and you find those buckets, those pails of five-gallon ones.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um sometimes you can people have those.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is a really good size for planting most anything, and you can put in lattice or twigs or something that's probably about two or three feet tall around the inside and duct take them on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just put them right on and then wrap them with string.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then when your plants start to come up, and the peas are very good, especially at this time of year, they have little tendrils, and you can make sure those tendrils wrap on to your string as it's going up the trellis, and you can grow peas right in that five-gallon pail.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really handy.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have some other ones too, if you have a cyclone fence, you know, the kind that's uh metal, and around your property.
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  SPEAKER_01: That as long as your neighbor doesn't mind or you don't mind sharing your produce if it happens to go on their side, you can grow all kinds of things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cucumbers grow up well there, you can grow your peas there too, and it also forms a nice wall of green, which is really nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and that supplies some of your ambiance if you need to have it, and it'll enclose it all.
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  SPEAKER_02: That sounds so delicious.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just picture yourself on a balcony or a small patio, just sitting around a table and leaning over and grabbing a cucumber.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they have some really, really good um small cucumbers that you can just pick them off and eat them right there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, those Persian cucumbers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and they're very prolific.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're once you keep them, get them growing, they just keep growing and growing.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't even have to peel those.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those are really good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Another idea for trellis is use a tomato cage.
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  SPEAKER_01: You might be able to get those at yard sales.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people at the end of the season either didn't like using them or for some reason they were getting rid of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tomato cages are another really good way.
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  SPEAKER_01: The structure's already there, so you just put it right into the ground and then just train up your whatever you have that's growing in the inside of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh you can do that right in your soil, or you can put that right into a large pot.
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  SPEAKER_01: You want to make sure that you get the larger the pot, the better.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we'll get into why you want to do that a little later.
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  SPEAKER_01: Also, there's some, you know, if you've got a rose trellis, somebody has a used one.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's another really good one.
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  SPEAKER_01: So these are things you could put up on your balcony or in your small area.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you need to make a wall, now you have instant wall.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can just put the trellis up and then uh grow your things in there and it will block a view of maybe something you don't want to see.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's a good way to do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, if you got those old hula hoops laying around.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or I've also seen bike um not the tire part, but the bike wheel with a spokes are yes, put one on the top and the bottom, put it on a pole.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not that you don't have a bike laying around, but wouldn't that be a cute idea?
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  SPEAKER_02: I love cute.
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  SPEAKER_02: It creates the theme of who you are.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you're a bicyclist and are thinking of some kind of vertical support, having the spokes of a bicycle be your theme for your garden would be so cute.
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  SPEAKER_01: It would be.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's and there's a lot of things that you can find that are around and if you just sort of think outside the box, you can really come up with some really good ideas.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some of the things you also can plant on trellises would be all of course all your cucumbers, but you can also do that with your squashes, your climbing and climbing beans too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those are two really good things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those would be more of a summer vegetable.
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  SPEAKER_01: But don't forget your uh raspberries, because sometimes if you do grow raspberries and they grow straight up and down, they get out of bounds, and they will continue to come if you don't trim them back, and of course they have thorns on them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you can just attach them to the trellis, then you'll be able to just pick your raspberries when they're ripe and they'll be right there for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: There are some thornless raspberries.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you go to a very good garden nursery, they can lead you to some thornless blackberries, raspberries, and of course, blueberries don't have thorns at all, and blueberries grow really well in pots.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Matter of fact, I have probably six different varieties at my home of blueberries, and I'm growing them in pots too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just make sure that when you buy your blueberries, check how high it's gonna get, because some of them grow higher and some of them are shorter varieties.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I found that the ones that are the shorter varieties, and they're coming out with even more of them now than they had in the past, it's perfect for patio or small space gardening because they produce a lot of fruit, but they don't grow like maybe two or three feet tall, like some of the older varieties do.
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  SPEAKER_01: So always check that out on the labels when you buy them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so if you're growing blueberries, it's probably a good idea to have two or three varieties because they cross-pollinate.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's early, mid season, and late, so you want to eat as many as you can for as long as you can.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I never have enough to do my canning, though.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love straw uh bla blueberry jam, but mm.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you can't you can't buy that very easily.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, it's good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Another great idea is using a pot in a pot.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna talk about what kinds of pots to use a little later, but if you have a larger pot on the bottom and you put soil in and then you put a smaller pot at the top, you can actually grow lettuces around in your bottom pot because it won't take up a lot of room, or you can put some carrots in if it's nice and deep.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you have room at the top.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you consider how tall your plants get, like maybe you're gonna put carrots in, you'll have those nice ferny tops from the carrots.
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  SPEAKER_01: Matter of fact, hiding that littler one that's at the top.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or you could put a little flower, put in a little marigold or um let's see, what's oh that would make it very pretty.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Marigolds are good because they actually help keep away some insects.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And also for the winter, some really good plants are snapdragons, and you can get the short ones and you can get the tall ones.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they love cool weather, so that's a really good cool weather plant, especially to put in now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you can make some really interesting, it almost looks like a waterfall of color coming out of your two planters.
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  SPEAKER_01: For those of you that don't have a lot of money but have a couple things laying around, we found uh an idea for a TV snack table.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you're gonna have a little height, and um you'll you won't have to bend over, and you just make a little box of uh one by twos and a piece of uh plywood on the bottom.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you can find scrap wood, maybe you can find an old pallet, and we'll talk about that in a minute.
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  SPEAKER_01: And make yourself a little box that will fit on the top of your TV snack table, and that you need to make them about four inches deep, and you'll be surprised how many different herbs you can put in there if you want to have an herb garden, or your lettuce for sure is not, doesn't have a lot of deep roots in them, and they're right there, just you can have them right outside your door and just walk out after uh dinner time and pick up some nice lettuce.
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  SPEAKER_01: Also, if you're picking lettuce, just a tip, make sure you just cut off the leaves at the top because they will continue to grow and you don't have to put new ones in, and there's so many different varieties of them that as long as you keep them in a cool place and you just keep cutting them off, they'll just keep coming and coming and coming and coming.
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  SPEAKER_02: I still have some lettuce from last year in a shadier area in my garden and the leaves were gone, and now with the cooler season, out with the leaves again, and so I have l lettuce from last year.
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  SPEAKER_01: They just love cool weather.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and they love cool spots because I put 'em um sometimes didn't get them all in the garden.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I have my little six pack there and it was in the shade and I forgot I had it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when I'm watering, it gets wet, and then all of a sudden I have a whole bunch of uh lettuce coming out of that container.
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  SPEAKER_01: And just to show you that you don't need a big space for tomato.
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  SPEAKER_01: The the I mean uh lettuce, they just really uh will fit in a small space.
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  SPEAKER_01: It uh for roots they don't really need a lot.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this container garden idea is wonderful because you can control the soil a lot better, especially plants that need moist environments throughout the year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and uh the rule on container plants is the bigger the pot the better because it holds more of the water than a smaller one does.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you don't have to water it as often, which is really a good thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have another tip here for those of you that are real handy and happen to have a ladder laying around.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you don't, but this would be high a place, a way to get height.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just put plywood across the steps from one side of the ladder to the other and make shelves.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then you can put your plants either using the pots or if you make your own little planters, you can put those on those shelves and there you are.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: You've just got it just the size of the ladder.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's the only thing that you need.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Not everybody has ladders, and so sometimes if you've got a really nice enclosed space, you can use gutters and you know, rain gutters.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: I know not everybody has rain gutters.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: We really don't have a lot of rain here.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh huh.
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  SPEAKER_01: However, you can buy the gutters, they have them at the stores and put them right on the wall.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can actually uh staple them right to the wall or nail them to the wall too, and you can grow all kinds of things in the gutter, and it will also give you a nice visual effect, especially if you have a a wooden wall or maybe something that isn't real pretty.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's a way to grow vegetables and flowers and have a nice view too.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is such a cute idea.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've never thought of using rain gutters as my containers, and that fills up a wall space very nicely.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: You can have a vertical garden uh with different tiers, either with the ladder as Sally was mentioning, or with gutters, and so it fills up a space very nicely.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like I have a wooden fence and part of that wooden fence is bare, uh, it's not shielded from some of my fruit trees.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: So that would be fun to to have and I can put little drip lines with it and the gutters are galvanized, so I wouldn't have a problem with uh the resting.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they're the whole idea.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: They come in plastic too.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: You can get them in plastic and get brown ones and you can get white ones.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just make sure you put drainage holes in there though, um, because you're you don't want everything to get all soggy and try to make sure that they're level so that all the water doesn't all drift down to the one end when you when you hang them up.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: So that one was a really cute idea and and real handy, especially if you have a space that you want to hide.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because even some of the plants, the flowering plants that you go put on, they drift over and they can make it look like a waterfall effect.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't have to be a vegetable, but there are plenty of flowers and and vines and ivies that just spill over and can fill up that whole wall with color.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's really it's there it can be really beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Also, another one if you hadn't thought about this, how about hanging baskets?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you can grow carrots in hanging baskets and radishes too.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the nice thing about the carrots is they have nice furry tops, you know, they're they have all that cute little foliage on the top.
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  SPEAKER_01: There are a couple concerns you have to have about hanging baskets because of course the they're not in the ground anymore, they don't really have hold the moisture as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you do need to be concerned on what you use to line your basket with.
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  SPEAKER_01: And of course, the rule is the bigger the better.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: So you want to get the biggest pot that looks good in your area.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so there there are a couple ways to line your pots.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: And one of them is, and I've this is a lot of trial and error for me.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: I have actually put core in my mine.
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  SPEAKER_02: That core is the coconut palm.
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  SPEAKER_02: fiber which is a lot quite uh coarser than the sphagnum moss, right?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: And it holds together better.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's brown.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: You can see it.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they're even in the shape of the basket.
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  SPEAKER_01: They'll even come in the the size of whatever your uh hanging basket is.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of the drawbacks to that is, I mean it looks really nice from the outside, but the problem is that it the air is exposed to that soil that's in there a lot more than if it was a plastic container.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: A plastic container you might not like the looks of it but it does hold the water in there because not as much of the soil is exposed.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: You always have to have drainage.
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  SPEAKER_01: So one of the tricks that I use when I do mine either core or sphagnum moss if you want to use that is to put a plastic liner in it.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: It can either be a plastic uh another plastic uh basket or my cheap little trick is I use garbage bags and I take the garbage bag and make sure it's big enough to fit in there and I get the black one so it doesn't show very much.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then you just cut all the way around it and you put that inside of the core.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: So you have the core your basket might be metal and then you put your core or your spang the moss in there and make it look pretty on the outside and then you put your plastic bag in there and make sure you make holes in that bag though because if you don't then the water's just going to puddle in there and it's going to turn to mud and your plants are all going to dry drainage is so key.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh it it really is.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: The nice thing about it I found is by the time if I cut around the edge, by the time the stuff starts to grow you can't see that plastic at all.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: But it really maintains that water level that you need to have in there and especially with hanging baskets but don't be afraid to put in vegetables.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't just always have to be flowers and if you are really short on space you know you can hang those down from the rafters if you're in the lower um apartment uh if it's allowed so that that is a really good a good one to use just make sure that you're in the sun uh you want all of your plants to have sun during the day and that the soil you're using is doesn't come from the ground.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh ground soil for any container plants really isn't very good.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's just too heavy it doesn't aerate.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: So best soil for these containers are soils that you find at the nursery that specifies for pots.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah it'll be it'll say potting soil right on it and times if you need especially with blueberries you're gonna need you want to put in a sphagnum moss because they really like an acid soil.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: So those are things to consider um when you're whatever you're putting in there you want to make sure that it's going to be very porous so that water can run through.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay Anne, it's time for some more tips and tricks.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, tips and tricks have you ever planted something and you can't remember where you put the seeds and what plant is going to be popping out.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: The leaves look all alike and I can't really identify it.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well before you leave the seeds to sprout you can use different kinds of tricks to label your plants and Sally shared with me some really great pictures and so I had in front of me some pictures of wine corks wine corks stuck on the tip of a barbecue skewer and just stuck into the ground and it looks so nifty having wine corks with a label on it.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: So you can label your mint, your basil your dill pretty soon you'll start recognizing them but it's kind of cute to have your company come and look at the garden instead of them say what's that what's that you have them already labeled.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you can just use a mag marker it doesn't have to be a fancy any fancy kind of marker to put on there and corks are really good because your stuff is probably not going to wash out.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure that the um marker will probably go right into the cork and for all of you wine drinkers now you have a reason to save all those corks a new use of wine corks you can also use tongue depressors to label your plants as well and you can decorate the tongue depressors and when they get sunfaded you just rewrite on it.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: You can also use chalkboard paint plant markers uh and have them decorated as well.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yep and not only that but you can get that chalkboard paint it's pretty cheap and the nice thing is they have all different color chalks so you can actually put in a little flower design on it and show the okay this is what a little daisy looks like here's my daisies and you can do that in pink or yellow or whatever color you want on the and you can that's fun to do with the kids.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: You have clothespins where you can write the name of the plant on a clothespin and clip it onto a thin little stick you have in the garden.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: As well as and I love this something more lasting are soda can labels.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: You can cut out little rectangles from your soda can.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: The aluminum is soft and pliable and you can use a nail to etch out the name of your plant like zucchini for example.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: You can just write out zucchini on your aluminum label and clip it onto I would use a chopstick.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: All those chopsticks that you get at the fast food places that just go into the trash you can save those chopsticks and uh put a label onto there and have a nifty little label for your garden.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: And you can also no you don't have to use just a marker for that you can actually take a nail and put it on something soft and you can make a little dot word and or you can actually pull the the nail across it because it's so soft and I know you don't have to use a pop can there may be a lot of you out there who are drinking beer.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: You can use that same can and just and I'm sure you you can find those readily and then you don't have to worry about them rusting or anything else and they're um you can actually take a magic marker and go all the way across and make it black with white uh the silver printing on the inside.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a pretty versatile one and and really good to um you know with things that you have around.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: I've re even written names of my plants on rocks and have the rocks decorate my garden because I love rocks.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well and you can paint them too I mean there's and the great thing is if you just put a little bit of beeswax on it or some kind of paraffin or wax it'll protect the wa the rock and make it shiny.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: So good idea.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah you know not just the plain old you get those nice little river rock ones the so the nice smooth ones and then you can have a nice shiny rocks in different parts of your garden.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: And the wax would protect it from the water.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm I like that I'm gonna try that and of course when you're planting your seeds you can actually use the package for the seeds you can put the package of the seeds on a stick and to protect it from the irrigation you can put a little sandwich bag over it and this way you can have a season long label for your vegetables.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I found don't forget to put that plastic bag over it or a or a jar because you think that oh well it'll be fine.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well no we get dew and sometimes it rains and then all of a sudden you don't know what that was and if you don't put some types of labels up you know some plants come up a little later than other plants do.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so you might say oh my gosh what did I plant there?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's not coming up and yes it will come up but you don't know what it is and you're it'll say on the back of your plant package how long it takes to do uh for it to germinate.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is in the garden show produced by UC Master Gardeners of Orange County and I'm Sally Richards.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: And this is Anne Lou and we're having a nice chat.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah we're um talking about gardening in small spaces and how you can use what you have on a tight budget if you have one and trying to give you some tips here that you can use either if you're in a patio or if you're in a um have an apartment or a real small space that you want to grow things on.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: So we've covered design ideas and types of trellises and a little bit on containers.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we'll talk more on containers.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yes matter of fact I found a really good resource and it's called the palette and that's what they ship things on in trucks and if you go on Craigslist you can usually find people who are giving away pallets it's free wood and it is terrific.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: There's just one thing that you do need to know about pallets.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well of course you don't you don't want to get anything that's rotten wood that is not a good thing.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: But any pallets especially the wooden ones that are used in interstate commerce have to be treated with chemical insecticides and so that's probably not something you want to bring into the garden but there's a way to know if it has been treated or not because that by law they are required to put M B the letters M is in Mary, B is in boyfriend on the palette twice.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: So you um when you're looking at your palettes to get make sure you look on those because you may not want to bring chemical insecticides into your garden um just by by getting the pallets.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: So some of the palette use that uh we've seen are just using the palette straight up and down and lean it against your wall and you can get flower pots and then you can get those at the hardware store.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: They have clamps and some of those clamps are six inches sometimes they're eight inches and it's a piece of metal and it has a screw in it and um it'll clamp right around your pot and you can um r uh either rivet or staple that to your palette and you make a whole wall of flower pots um using your palette.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe you don't have a you know you can make a little pallet stand or if you've got a fence that you want to hide that's a really good way to do it.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Another way is and this is great because it really cuts down on the weeds and after a while you can't even see the palette.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: But a palette actually has like two by fours all the way across the the uh straight up sideways and then they have strips of uh wood probably one by twos across the top and so there's spaces between those slats and there's so they're about four inches high um when you lay them down flat.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: One of the the tricks that I found was get some landscape fabric and that's usually black.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: You can usually get it at big box stores and your nurseries have them also and lay that down on the ground and put your palette on top of it and then wrap it around the sides so that the sides you can staple them right to the top of that.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: So you're making like a little uh square box to put your palette in and what that does is the landscape fabric on the bottom it's water porous so the water will go right through it and then you can fill it up with dirt.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: It does take I mean the pallets are pretty good size about 50 pounds of um potting soil to go in that but the nice thing is you can plant all your plants and have them already spaced because the wood is going all the way across and then you can plant your plants in between the slats and there's a good space it's probably about a two inch space or three inch space between the slats and you can pick out whichever ones plants you want to put in maybe you want to put some elysum in there and you've got some uh chives growing uh your lettuces and you know they come in reds and greens and really all different colors and it's a really handy way to um have your own instant garden and it's and it's basically free except for the soil that you have to you know you have to go out and buy.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: And this is a great way to modify the square foot garden idea.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: You can have the rows of plants in between the boards of the palette and the boards actually provide a space for you to step on in case you can't reach that center.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm, they're about three feet not quite three feet but I I know it's a standard size I'm not really sure but boy that is a really way you know especially if you're not going to be there forever um or you you have a cement slab not always the best to put on a cement slab but at least it will give you you know about four inches deep of soil right there if you don't have the ground area that you can put it on.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Another uh tip that uh we have is you know those little hangers that you put your shoes on there Oh I love this idea Sally.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was it was the cutest thing.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: And it's for people who don't have a lot of room for all their shoes and so they're little plastic not plastic but uh cloths.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how to describe that.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: The shoe organizer.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah it's a shoe organizer you just hang on the wall but it's not their it's cloth.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so you just slip them into the little shoe spots.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: But you can use that even in your shed or you can even hang it outside your door to keep all of your tools like your hand tools, your gloves, uh clippers sharpeners.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: The ties you have the whole little small tools you have.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: I love this idea.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: Where did you find all these ideas, Sally?
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: What do you look online?
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well you know Google is my friend.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so they and so is Pinterest if you want to find a lot of uh a good ideas you can even look up um small gardening ideas on Pin or vegetable gardening for um ideas on Pinterest a lot of pictures and it'll take you right to their sites and a lot of times they go to blogs.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: And that I found is an invaluable source.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of you probably are familiar with that because I also do jewelry and find jewelry ideas on Sally you are full of ideas.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: And no time the story of my life we probably need to talk about what would be really good plants to start.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: There are different times of the year and that plants are started and sometimes you don't uh times of the year you don't want to start them especially in the middle of the summer.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: Some plants are daylight sensitive um definitely are more sensitive to temperature and there are some plants that grow very very well in the winter and so some of the things that we could put in and of course we talked about the pots and different places to put them so I'll just talk about a few here that are really good to plant a lot of the root plants and coal plants and maybe Ann can explain a little bit um what a coal plant is it's actually a type of plant that is a variety of cauliflower, broccoli.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yep uh those plants Brussels sprouts I think you need to wait for the night temperature to fall below fifty five.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: So here's a list of some of the plants that you can start here in December and you can start them from seed or you can go to your nursery and sometimes I start I just get uh plants my lettuces for sure this time so that I can get them quicker and then put in seeds too.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: But beets are a really good one this is a one that grows in the ground so if you're using pots you can grow plants that grow above the soil and some that grow below the soil and beets would be one of those and and usually if you read the package you you don't want to pick them any over two and a half to three inches.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want them to get real big but they grow very fast in this um weather um broccoli is another one and broccoli once you get it to grow you don't ever want it to flower you don't ever want to see the flowers you want it that if you ever look at the broccoli's in the store you'll see that they're all nice tight little flowers on there and that's the the reason is because then they go to flower and then they don't taste as good.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah generally the bolting or the flowering for the plant causes the plant to not be as sweet.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and um just a little tip when you do go to the store this is one of the things I found when you're buying broccoli turn it over and look at the stem if the stem has uh like looks like a cut in it that means it's stayed in the ground too long.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: You need to don't take that one take the one that's solid a solid stem and it will be sweeter.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's just a little side tip.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: Also if you cut broccoli if you cut the main one off the side ones will continue to grow.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: So this is one of those plants that you just cut off part of it and more of it grows.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: So the key to deadheading is to pinch off some of the blossoms and the the growth so that the plant stays denser toward the center and sweeter.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and that also works for flowers too if you deadhead the the reason a plant is growing is it wants to go to seed.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's got to reproduce itself.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: So when your flowers start to fade cut those off and then more will come.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it's prettier that way.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes it is and it and it does it it uh actually bushes out and makes it a more fuller plant.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Another one is cabbage and this is a really good one and this is a good one to use those milk cartons for because there is a white butterfly who loves to lay eggs and it turns into caterpillar worm and uh will start to eat all the leaves off of your cabbage and they they love cabbage.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: So make sure that you put those over the cabbage when you plant those plants.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about uh carrots and that one was a really good one if you've got the hanging baskets and it makes really pretty fernine looking foliage.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah foliage and and then put some uh flowers in there too to make it look real pretty cauliflower I have a list about ten different ones that you can put in I'll go through it quickly.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: So cauliflower is a really good one that's another one you want to uh protect the leaves on or the head of those uh if you put pull the leaves over and put a rubber band over the top of that that will keep your uh cauliflower white and it wasn't won't turn as brown as quick.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um celery is we need a lot of water for celery it and chives that's a a real good one that's a perennial they'll keep coming and coming I love perennials that's work.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: And they have real pretty flowers.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah it's very good with eggs.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh I mean you know throw them in salad and egg salad and ooh all that stuff.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Collards there's another one that is a lot of uh good leafy uh nutritious leaves on those end dive and that is uh a type of lettuce but it needs to be they call it blanched but it needs to be protected so the sun doesn't get to it and that's why they get the the white leaves in there.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then a real popular one right now is kale.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody's drying kale or they're doing all different kinds of things putting in in salad and this is a really good uh winter season crop and very prolific it grows.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: You can get a lot of kale in a small spot.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: So healthy high fiber is just very very good.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well you can kind of tell when it's a dark green plant it's got a lot of nutrients in it.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: And that's um and then here's another one not as popular as some is Kohlrabi and I have uh had that I think maybe once or twice in my life and it's um a really unusual plant when you go to the seed thing you'll stores you'll see it you don't usually see that as a a plant uh in a tray they don't usually start kolrabi but leeks are a good time to this is a good time to plant now leaks are very this is about the last best time to put them in the ground.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: They take a long time but they do like the cool weather and um you just keep mounting them up and mounting them up and mounting them up and then the leeks grow taller and taller and taller and they stay white and um then oh potato leek soup.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm it's really good.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh Sally we can't forget this one.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: My favorite for winter is our s s snow peas.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: I love snow peas.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes and there's all different kinds of peas.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: It does and this is another plant that's really good to plant right now and of course we have all those trellis ideas now so you don't have any excuse not to plant them.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: You do need to grow them on trellises or something because they grow up straight and then they fall over on each other and they have tendrils and then they get mats and you can't see the peas in there.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's messy so you want to give it the support it needs.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and I've also done lattice um about a foot above it and done that and they've actually grown through the lattice and that's how it's helped them stay up.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: But I remember when I was way younger and had very little money I always used to go through the seed catalogs and they came out with what are called sugar snap peas.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh they are so sweet.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: And they came out with super sugar snaps and sugar and and they have all different kinds now because you can eat the whole pod.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah you don't even have to shell them anymore.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: Delicious oh and that that's similar to the snow peas.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Except the snow peas are usually flat.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so it seems the sugar snaps you you get more pea for the money.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah I can go for that.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then of course if you want to plant the regular shell peas you can do that.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um my favorite is LinkedIn it's an old fashioned one it has like eight peas in the pot so make it worth your Yeah, that's it.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's it makes it quick.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: Parsley is another thing to grow and and onions, especially if you want onion sprouts, that's really a good uh good one to start with right now.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um radishes, of course, you can intersperse those.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's a quick grower.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so you can put them in with your carrot seeds if you want to, because carrots take a long time to come up and they need a lot of water, but the radishes will come up first.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: You can pick them and the carrots will grow right along in there.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: Have you noticed how many colors Sally is mentioning?
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: Generally speaking, they say try to eat seven colors of vegetables every day.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: And so when you listen to Sally naming all those plants, just envision your garden full of those many colors.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's a very healthy garden.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and here's a really good one is Swiss chard.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: That one comes in all different colors.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh the rainbow.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh, and reds and yellows and greens.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's really pretty.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Very hardy.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: And um and turnips also are really good plants to grow right now.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: I like the chard because the bugs don't bother bother it as much.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: So here's a a couple of tips here on size of containers.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: So if you want to grow carrots, a five-gallon container at least 12 inches deep is going to be what you're gonna want to use.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: So remember carrots do get long and look for the shorter varieties because they do come in short ones.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: There's a cute little one called short and sweet.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: And there's even some ball-shaped carrots that you can get that are just, you know, they're about the size of a golf ball when they're all done and ready to pull.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, your lettuces, if you keep them in a five-gallon uh box, you can do get Ruby, my favorites buttercrunch, which is uh bib lettuce, um salad bowl's another one, black seeded Simpson.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's just so many when you look at the seed packages now.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: You can pick out and make um rows of color of just lettuce.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then when you if you want to, and then maybe the they're not coming back, you can either pull that out and put another one in there, a different variety, and you can really get like a whole quilt of lettuce plants for your um eating pleasure.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Just having fun in a small space garden.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so those are some of the one of the things that we do need to talk about is um fertilizers.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, when you're working with your pots, plants have to eat too.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so if you think you're just gonna put it into your soil and everything's gonna be fine, you're gonna give it enough water, it's always good to add fertilizer because that's their food.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_02: And there are two types the slow growth, the beads that you can get, and those are very nice for containers, as well as some dilute type of f liquid fertilizer.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_02: You can uh weaken it so that you don't over-fertilize.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: Plants can die from being over-fertilized as well as under-fertilized.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: And it's generally, if you don't know for sure, it's probably better to under-fertilize than over-fertilize.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_02: The plants can deal quite a bit with that rich potting soil that you have bought to start.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: And so a little bit of the slow release and a little bit of the weekend liquid fertilizer is good.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I and I don't go with the high numbers like a 2020-20, those numbers that are in the front of the bags.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: I try to get something that has lower numbers on it.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: There's two, three.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not as powerful like a you know, a giant shot you're gonna give them.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to shock your plants with your fertilizers.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so I usually try um sometimes I'll use uh stuff from the ocean, seaweed.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you do kelp, yeah.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: Kelp.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: The kelp is very good for the read the directions on the package.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: Read the directions and you'll you'll be doing great.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um also one of the things and we don't have we're gonna be running out of time soon, but some of the things that grow really well in your shade and surprisingly only need four to six hours of sun.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: So if you don't have a you know a totally sunny area, um you can grow asparagus and beans, which really I wouldn't put in right now, but beets and your broccoli and brussels sprouts you can.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: So don't think that it has to be a totally sunny area for everything, because there are things I know my lettuces always grow well in the shade, and especially here in the summertime, um scallions too.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's a really good shady vegetable for uh any time of the year, actually.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: So it's pretty versatile.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's always a plant for whatever area you have.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm a bit partial to perennial plants because I'm a lazy gardener.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_02: And did you know you can take the bulbs from the green onions that you buy and just plant them?
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh and you would have a beautiful pot of green onions.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, and you just snip off the top so you can snip off the top and eat that and it just regrows and regrows.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's perfect.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it makes very nice.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: So when you are thinking of design for your garden, you want to have something that spills over like a waterfall, like what Sally was mentioning.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: You want a focal point, something that highlights that pot, and you want it to you want to fill in with filler plants.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_02: So spill them, fill them, and grab 'em, you know, with the eye.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um gardening is just so much fun, and sometimes people are a little hesitant with gardening in small spaces because it's so limited.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: So, a way with extending your gardening in case you want to have more area to garden, you might want to check out if there's a community garden close to your home.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_02: You can go online to community gardens in Orange County, and so many cities out there have a community garden available.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, unfortunately, many of them have waiting lines.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you have to get wait listed, but if you are planning ahead, you might want to get your name on some of these.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: And well, you know, and another thing too is this is the winter time, and a lot of people don't think of working in the garden in the winter.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes where they have their waiting list, if you talk to people and say, you know, are do you have any space in there for winter gardening?
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe somebody isn't using that space this winter, would you be able to get in there?
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: And if you ask, sometimes you get it.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_02: Sharing a space is great.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like even I have a friend who doesn't like to garden, but she has a beautiful lot in her house, uh, in her backyard.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_02: And so she has two or three friends come and garden in her backyard, and they all share the garden.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, perfect.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_02: So just community.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: Community gardens can be in your neighborhood or as a structured community garden with uh with fencing and such in Orange County.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of those community gardens have websites, so you can actually contact them and it'll show, you know, it'll you they'll probably have more information on what they are doing and uh what their rules are and probably a contact person who you'd have to get in touch with.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um also one of the best resources that we have when you have gardening questions are the UCE UCCE Master Gardening Volunteer Hotline.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: And we've been trained to be able to answer most of the questions you have.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_01: We have a large group of people who have tons of experience.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so if we can't answer your question right away, we actually get back with you and we throw the question out to the Master Gardeners and on the hotline group and come up with some great answers and we get back to you very quickly.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, we've come to the end of the show.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: We'd like to thank you for listening.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: This is Sally Richards.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm your DJ.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: And this is Anne Lou.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for listening.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's been fun talking to you, Sally.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, this has been a riot.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: I've had a ball.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: I hope our listeners have picked up some really good tips since Sally did so much homework for this.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: Good job, Sally.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thanks.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.