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Speak Up and Stand Together. · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with her radio. Hey guys, another week of the almost
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  Speaker 1: famous podcast. I'm Ben, I'm Ashley, And a lot has
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  Speaker 1: happened since we talked last Ben. Uh crazy? How two
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  Speaker 1: weeks and the world is a different place. Yeah. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: it's been two weeks since we talked. We took last
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  Speaker 1: week off in remembrance of Memorial Day. We're back this week. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot that I want to say. You have
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  Speaker 1: a lot to say too. From what I've heard from
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  Speaker 1: you on social media so far, You've been saying so
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  Speaker 1: many great things, so many powerful things. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very inarticulate moments like this, but you shine. So
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  Speaker 1: I want you to talk. Well. I need to give
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  Speaker 1: our listeners a little backstory. And you've known this as
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  Speaker 1: my co host, and our team knows this. I've been
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  Speaker 1: really struggling with this podcast, um and and and it
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  Speaker 1: started with a message that I got on Instagram months
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  Speaker 1: ago where somebody had said that our Facebook group had
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  Speaker 1: became so hateful and hate philed. So I started reading
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  Speaker 1: it and I saw the negative um things that about
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  Speaker 1: you and I about others, about our people that listen
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  Speaker 1: to the podcast. Um, and it started to just hit deep.
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  Speaker 1: It took, I mean, all of my confidence away. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it took a lot of my excitement for getting on
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  Speaker 1: here and talking to you and talking to our fans
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  Speaker 1: and our listeners and our friends. UM. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: the criticism I listened to, which I don't typically do.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of the criticism came and said in the
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  Speaker 1: words of hey, I over explained myself. So I've been
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  Speaker 1: working on that. I get it. And when more than
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  Speaker 1: one person says it, I want to listen, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to not listen. Another criticism said that
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  Speaker 1: I am too preachy, and quite frankly, if you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: listen to a podcast that I host, you're gonna hear
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  Speaker 1: me talk about Jesus. Like I don't know what else
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  Speaker 1: to say, Like, it's just it's part of my belief system,
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  Speaker 1: is part of my life. If you don't like it,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why you still listen, Like, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to stop talking about who I am. But even
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  Speaker 1: if you disagree, I hope we can at least have
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  Speaker 1: a conversation and get somewhere of understanding. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: why you do podcast. Another criticism, UH said that my
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  Speaker 1: questions I I lead up to them too much. That's
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  Speaker 1: fair too, and I'll listen to those things. Um. But
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  Speaker 1: it started to sink in and I started to feel it.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing that was said, and this is why I
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  Speaker 1: say all this UM. As I started to really try
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  Speaker 1: to process this, another criticism was I was two PC
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  Speaker 1: and it's I'm not unfamiliar with that criticism. I've had
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  Speaker 1: it forever, and I've tried consciously here of the last
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  Speaker 1: few months to figure out where that comes from. Because
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times I'm PC because they're complex issues
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  Speaker 1: that have a lot of different sides, and to pick
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  Speaker 1: a side and pound it into the ground and put
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  Speaker 1: my stake in the ground on one side oftentimes fears
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  Speaker 1: feels irresponsible and it feels like I'm causing more harm
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  Speaker 1: than good because I'm not listening any longer. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: hearing the other side because I'm stuck in my ways,
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  Speaker 1: and so I try to stay in the middle. We
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  Speaker 1: we know the stories that we we talked about, actually,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I talked about all of them. The headlines
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  Speaker 1: that we cover. Oftentimes there's a lot going on behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes that nobody knows and so how are we
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  Speaker 1: supposed to speak? So I guess ah strongly on them.
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  Speaker 1: And then two weeks ago, Hannah Brown comes out and
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  Speaker 1: says the N word on social media and it takes me.
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  Speaker 1: Let's even backtrack, Ahmad are Berry is shot in cold
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  Speaker 1: blood running down a street on a jog for no reason.
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  Speaker 1: That's where it starts, okay, and then Hannah says the
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  Speaker 1: N word, and then Hannah disappears, doesn't say anything like
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  Speaker 1: she's gone. And we get criticism on this podcast because
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  Speaker 1: we said that Hannah was wrong for what she did.
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  Speaker 1: And that's about where we left it, and Ashley, I'll
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  Speaker 1: stick to that. Now, there's more to the story here.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to I want to address um the
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  Speaker 1: fan backlash that we got a little of, Like, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't that bad, but there were people out there,
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  Speaker 1: and Hannah addressed them in her apology. But we'll get
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  Speaker 1: to that later. So you have a great young man
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  Speaker 1: running down the street, going for a jog in a
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood and east shot, and and so it feels like
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  Speaker 1: at that point a lot of our eyes and ears
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  Speaker 1: are open to racial injustice. How are we going to respond?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, hey, it's not a secret. There's two white
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  Speaker 1: people hosting this podcast, right. We we are not experts
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  Speaker 1: on this topic. There's a lot of things that you
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  Speaker 1: and I do not know, a lot of things that
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  Speaker 1: will never be able to relate with, and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things that we are learning. But Hannah Brown was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: What Hannah did was not right. Now at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: should we dismiss Hannah Brown? Never, I hope canceling her.
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  Speaker 1: So here's my Here's here's where uh if you want
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  Speaker 1: to call me PC, here's where you could probably add
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  Speaker 1: into this. My hope is that we turn to forgiving, loving,
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  Speaker 1: accepting Hannah, but recognizing what she did was wrong. What
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  Speaker 1: she said was wrong. If you're a Hannah fan, I
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  Speaker 1: urge you to hear what I'm saying. What she said
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  Speaker 1: was not right. Her apology was not great. She blamed
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  Speaker 1: her brother, and she posted on Instagram originally two weeks later,
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  Speaker 1: she comes out in an apology that I hope we
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  Speaker 1: can all listen to as friends, as family, as fans.
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  Speaker 1: I hope we can hear what Hannah says, and hey,
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  Speaker 1: she has a lot to learn. But she's not saying
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  Speaker 1: she was all right. She was not saying what she
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  Speaker 1: did was right. She said that she's happy that people
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  Speaker 1: who spoke out held her accountable. She told her fans,
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  Speaker 1: don't defend me on this. I was wrong. And it
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  Speaker 1: leads us to the point of saying, Okay, we've gone
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  Speaker 1: through one scenario that wrecked our lives, that wrecked our
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  Speaker 1: world with Ahmad Arebury. We move into a situation that, hey,
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  Speaker 1: Hannah made a mistake. I think everybody was begging for
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  Speaker 1: her to apologize and speak out because we were ready
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  Speaker 1: to forgive. I think the black community, from my friends
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  Speaker 1: that are black, from what Rachel Lindsay has said, what
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  Speaker 1: Mike Johnson has said, they were ready to forgive, but
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to hear from Hannah. Heard from Hannah, and
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  Speaker 1: people have responded. People have responded, and we're all learning.
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  Speaker 1: So now let's throw us in the pool of as
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  Speaker 1: white people. We are learning what is going on in
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  Speaker 1: the world around us right now. We are hearing the cries,
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  Speaker 1: We're hearing the screams, we are recognizing the protests. Then
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  Speaker 1: you have George Floyd and why. And this is where
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  Speaker 1: I wanna dive deep into this a little bit because
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  Speaker 1: typically when it comes to topics that we talk about
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  Speaker 1: in the podcast, it's hard to pick a side, it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to put our stake in the ground, it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to lean in on a topic. We're gonna dance down
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  Speaker 1: the middle because that's all we know how to do,
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  Speaker 1: because you need to hear both sides before we come
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  Speaker 1: to a conclusion. Except for now, Except for now, Now
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  Speaker 1: we dig deep. And for anybody out there listening to
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  Speaker 1: this going, hey, this feels heavy. Hey, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting defensive. Hey, all of us on this Black
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  Speaker 1: Lives Matter talk is making me my my skin crawl.
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  Speaker 1: Then I beg you, as people that actually night and
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  Speaker 1: I mean this as we people that we really do love,
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  Speaker 1: I just beg you to take a step back and
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  Speaker 1: realize it's okay to not know. It's okay to not
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  Speaker 1: be aware. It's okay that if you come into this
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  Speaker 1: situation going wow, this this is so confusing for me.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not okay to not learn. It's not okay
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  Speaker 1: to shut down. It's not okay to look at a
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  Speaker 1: man with a knee on his neck and realize that
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  Speaker 1: this is a horrid situation when the angers us as
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  Speaker 1: a country one the angers most humans. But we also
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  Speaker 1: need to recognize that what we're seeing in the protest now,
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  Speaker 1: what we saw in the video of George Floyd is
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  Speaker 1: not the first time this has happened, that it might
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  Speaker 1: be one of the first times that we've been awoken
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  Speaker 1: up to this. But we're waking up. And I beg
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  Speaker 1: you fans in almost famous podcast that if you don't
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  Speaker 1: like what I'm saying, if you don't like what the
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  Speaker 1: black community is saying right now, if you don't like
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  Speaker 1: the idea that black lives matter, and that's not to
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  Speaker 1: say that all lives don't matter, but there's a great
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  Speaker 1: u a great parallel here where we say that if
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  Speaker 1: a neighbor's house is burning down in yours, isn't you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna put water in the house that's burning down. Because
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  Speaker 1: it's a pressing issue. It's the one that needs to
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  Speaker 1: be talked about right now. And it's not saying but
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  Speaker 1: it's not saying to your house doesn't matter, your house
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  Speaker 1: a percent matters. But right now we need to shout
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  Speaker 1: from the rooftops that black black lives matter. And if
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  Speaker 1: you don't like what I'm saying that, I just asked
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  Speaker 1: that you leave this podcast because quite frankly, Ashley, the
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  Speaker 1: hate that's on our Facebook group, and the negative comments
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  Speaker 1: that's coming in about the podcast, even though are listening
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  Speaker 1: and cow is higher than ever and bigger than ever, like,
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  Speaker 1: those aren't the people I want to have around in
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  Speaker 1: this community. I want to have a group of people
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  Speaker 1: listening to this podcast that is listening to the voices
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  Speaker 1: and the screams and the cry of humans around them,
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  Speaker 1: Black humans and people of other colors saying, listen to me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm hurting. Listen to me, you've seen it, Listen to me,
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  Speaker 1: learn from me, hear me. I want those people listening
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  Speaker 1: to the podcast. I want those people a part of
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  Speaker 1: this group. I want those people leaning on each other
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  Speaker 1: in the Facebook group. I want those people encouraging you
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  Speaker 1: and I because this is not easy all the time.
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  Speaker 1: And I want those people encouraging the black community. And
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  Speaker 1: I want to Almost Famous podcast to be a podcast
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  Speaker 1: that's represented in kindness and love and care. And also
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  Speaker 1: it has a ton of fun talking about Bachelor World,
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  Speaker 1: but actually it's time to wake up. This isn't a
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  Speaker 1: funny topic. This isn't a fun topic. As I've heard
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  Speaker 1: from my black friends and I've been educated over the
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  Speaker 1: last few weeks, especially the last week, I've realized how
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  Speaker 1: much I don't know how much I'm writing exactly. It's
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  Speaker 1: so amazing. It's so amazing because like, you know that
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  Speaker 1: racism exists, but you don't know how prevalent it is.
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  Speaker 1: I never knew how prevalent it was. I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: that it was. Like still, when I see these videos
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  Speaker 1: like this is so I can't believe this is our country, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you're just your eyes are you feel like your
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  Speaker 1: eyes are always open? But I mean are But there
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  Speaker 1: are so much that we weren't. I can't speak about
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  Speaker 1: this stuff. I'm so bad at it, and I wish
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  Speaker 1: I could be articulate about it. My sister wrote me
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  Speaker 1: like the best text yesterday, which just kind of explains
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  Speaker 1: it all. She's like, I have so many feelings, but
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea how to express them. Um, actually,
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  Speaker 1: I let's start here. How does this make you feel?
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm just very bad at talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that I can't like that I
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  Speaker 1: don't feel things. Sometimes they can get very frustrating because
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  Speaker 1: like you can like I'm crying, go ahead, No, it's okay, Ashley. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: what we're saying it he is like these are how
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  Speaker 1: these like these are where the topics need to start
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  Speaker 1: and the conversations need to start, like your emotional why
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  Speaker 1: I guess this is very overwhelming. There's just there's so
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  Speaker 1: many Like there's just like a lot of emotions that
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  Speaker 1: you would, like somebody you want to express, but there's
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  Speaker 1: this you're you're just kind of like scared and nervous
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  Speaker 1: to find the words to do it. And then you
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  Speaker 1: also want admit to being like ignor into it too
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  Speaker 1: in the past. You know, I do know I'm with you,
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  Speaker 1: like I am like I have been so ignorant to this.
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  Speaker 1: I sat two nights ago and my mom started crying
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  Speaker 1: because she she made this statement. She said, it's wild
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  Speaker 1: to me how little we've all known. And I speak
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  Speaker 1: and i'm there's there's people out there that listening to
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  Speaker 1: just being like, hey, I'm I've always known and that's great,
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  Speaker 1: and like, that's great, but you but we have you
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  Speaker 1: have to understand that there's many of us that are
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  Speaker 1: just trying to learn and it's not easy to admit.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm thirty one years old and this is a
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  Speaker 1: topic that I know so little about, Like this crushes
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  Speaker 1: my soul. But it's also there's something beautiful, oh man.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't even know how this is gonna come across,
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  Speaker 1: but there's something beautiful. And my mom said this that
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  Speaker 1: the first time that we've rallied together after quarantine, after
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  Speaker 1: being stuck in our homes for two months, is for
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  Speaker 1: issues that are so needed to be talked about that
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  Speaker 1: the first time groups have come together is to stand
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  Speaker 1: in the name that lives matter, that black lives matter.
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  Speaker 1: To stand in the name of supporting the George Floyd's
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  Speaker 1: of the world world, to stand in the name of
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  Speaker 1: the families who have lost loved ones due to racism.
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  Speaker 1: To stand up and hold hands in a united front
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  Speaker 1: with people who have been scared in a lot of
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  Speaker 1: ways hopeless because they don't have a history to look
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  Speaker 1: back on that's been positive or they've been treated well
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  Speaker 1: at all. To stand united with him for the first
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  Speaker 1: time in two months and say we hear you, we
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  Speaker 1: recognize you, we've listened, and just teach us. Yeah. I'm
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  Speaker 1: also just I guess a little scared of people becoming
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  Speaker 1: like like you said at the top of the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: like there's only one right opinion here, there's like the
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  Speaker 1: other you know, so, but people are finding a lot
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  Speaker 1: of divisiveness in it, and I just wed new people
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  Speaker 1: to unite and it's scary that there's just a lot
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  Speaker 1: of while people should be accepting that need that those
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  Speaker 1: need to be educated. Um, there's some people out there
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  Speaker 1: who are getting so defensive. Like you said that, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of scary to see that some people may not
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  Speaker 1: unite over this. Yeah, and that's why I'm saying, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop talking about who I am
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  Speaker 1: as a person. I'm not going to stop it, and actually,
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  Speaker 1: like I don't want you to. I know you don't
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  Speaker 1: want me to. Like I'm not going to stop sharing
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  Speaker 1: about why I believe what I believe, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to overshare on topics that I don't know a
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  Speaker 1: lot about and when it comes to things that are
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  Speaker 1: hard to decipher, like I am going to walk down
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  Speaker 1: the middle, and so are you. But I've read your comments,
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  Speaker 1: I've heard your concerns. I will listen to the fact
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  Speaker 1: that I set up my questions too much. Great, It's like, fine,
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  Speaker 1: I'll get better at that. I'll try really hard. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I just sometimes feel like I need to overexplain because
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I come off clearly all the time. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you also feel like you need to overexplain sometimes because
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  Speaker 1: you worry that people are going to interpret it in
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  Speaker 1: a way that wasn't intended. And so almost famous fans, listeners,
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  Speaker 1: people that are gonna be tuning in this podcast. Here's
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  Speaker 1: here's what um, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna listen to your concerns and we're gonna listen
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  Speaker 1: to your critiques of us, but we won't listen to
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  Speaker 1: any type of racism. If at some point you're listening
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  Speaker 1: to this going that the things that have happened over
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  Speaker 1: the last few weeks are not gravely concerning, if they
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  Speaker 1: are not putting you in tears like they're putting Ashley
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  Speaker 1: in tears, then I'm gonna politely ask you to stop
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  Speaker 1: listening to this podcast. Like I don't want to push
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  Speaker 1: you away. I don't want to say this isn't a
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  Speaker 1: place for all it is, but this is not a
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  Speaker 1: place for hate. And until you can turn your perspective
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  Speaker 1: into more a loving and accepting, until you can see
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  Speaker 1: yourself as a human with a ton of purpose and
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  Speaker 1: that your words really do matter, and your words really
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  Speaker 1: can hurt, and your emotions really do need to be
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  Speaker 1: carefully considered before they're communicated in a public forum. Until
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  Speaker 1: you can come with that perspective into this, this is
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  Speaker 1: not a community for you. Because this is a community
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  Speaker 1: of people that love the Bachelor, that loved the people
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  Speaker 1: from the Bachelor, that love to hate the Bachelor, that
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  Speaker 1: love to hate the people from the Bachelor, and we
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of fun talking about it, but when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to human beings and it comes to topics
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  Speaker 1: like racism, this is not a place for you. If
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna stand on the side of anti black lives,
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  Speaker 1: this is not the place for you. It isn't And
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  Speaker 1: and I just want people to know that are listening
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  Speaker 1: to this, and I think we should take this moment
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  Speaker 1: before we move on to fluff her um too applaud
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  Speaker 1: Hannah for her apology. She posted a twenty minute apology
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  Speaker 1: was live on Instagram and she posted a termaine feed
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  Speaker 1: and she talked about how she went silent for two
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  Speaker 1: weeks because she wanted to really educate herself. She didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to just say I'm sorry and not really know
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  Speaker 1: not what she was sorry before, but for just saying it,
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  Speaker 1: she really wanted to dive deep, and she read books.
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  Speaker 1: I think she even took a course on just the
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  Speaker 1: history of the word she used, the the black culture.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that she is genuinely, sincerely sorry and
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  Speaker 1: it's time. Well not that I'm the person that needs
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  Speaker 1: to forgive her, but I hope that people forgive her,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope that people accept her apology and do
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  Speaker 1: believe that she's trying to become a better person, no
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  Speaker 1: more educated person. I mean, her heart was very evident
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  Speaker 1: to me in that pol apology. I mean, that's it too,
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  Speaker 1: is like the part that place that we said is like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not the one that needs to forgive Hannah um,
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  Speaker 1: but what I can recognize is that, like, what she
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  Speaker 1: did was wrong, and I'm gonna I'm gonna learn from
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Hannah's mistake. Along with many others out there, she's admitted
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: she was wrong. I don't think anybody, at least anybody
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: that I've seen, have said, hey, we want to just
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: push Hannah aside, we want to hate Hannah. Nobody's ever
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: said that. That has never been a topic. Everybody has
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: been upset that she didn't speak out sooner, but now
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: she has. It seems like I mean, we just have
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: to take her apology for what it was like. She
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: wants to get better and she wants to learn, but
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: we aren't the ones to forgive her. But we can
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: learn with her and learn alongside of her, and we
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: can be educated by the things same things that she's
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: being educated by. There's a ton of resources out there.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: All I ask that you, anybody listening, starts to look
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: those up. UM. It feels like before we start bringing
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: on our guests, Ashley Here's and I texted you this,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: it feels like a revival of sorts, a revival that
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: will start to uh bring us all together united, A
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: revival that's forcing us um to wake up. A revival
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: that's forcing us to unite. Uh. Revival uh that will
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: all understand how much purpose we have and that every
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: small action we make towards any person really does matter.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: And and I know this, and I will speak about
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Jesus here And if you don't believe in Jesus, then
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: whatever it is you believe in, if you don't believe anything,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: just understand this. I will say this that, based on
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: thirty one years of my life, I feel like we're
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: always on an arc towards more justice and more love.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And I believe that this sitch suation presenting ourselves that
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: we're presented with right now. It's heavy, it's hard. We
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: shouldn't move past it as fast as we can. We're
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: sitting in it right now. But I believe it will
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: put us in a better place in the long run.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I really really hope you're right. I hope so too.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I think in the very long run, for sure, I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: hope so too. Ashley, Hey, I want to take this time.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I just want to say it again. And Um, I
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: appreciate you as a co host. I do. I love
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: your heart. I know that your well. I just I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: love how much you do care. And I know that
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: sometimes the words to express how you're feeling and the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: anger that you're feeling is not always easy, um, because
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you communicate with your emotions always exactly. It's like I
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: can't like I'm very very bad at using words sometimes,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: but like it just comes out of my eyes. It
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: really does, it really does. And Ashley, UM, and and
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: almost famous fans, Let's spend this time, um, to wake up,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to pay attention, to humble ourselves, to learn and to educate.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this because I'm talking down to you.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I'm saying this as a peer and as a friend,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and UM, as somebody who gets to sit on a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: mic and you get to that that we get to
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: talk with each other every week. UM, I'm saying this
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: as a friend of yours, just to say, let's wake up.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Let's be a community that accepts and loves and cares,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: and we get better at hosting. Actually, I will work
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: our hardest to get better at hosting, and I hope
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: you get better at listening and we can all move
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: forward together. UM. I'll share a hosting insecurity later in
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the podcast for wreak out. Okay, sounds good, Okay, Ashley. UM,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: this this is gonna be something we talk about h
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: throughout the podcast today. It's a podcast UM focused on
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: bringing awareness, UM and speaking about who in vat your
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: nation has spoke up. We'll touch on Hannah Brown again
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about Rachel Lindsay and Mike Johnson. UM.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: But first let's take a break. We do have two
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: special guests that we've been scheduled to have for weeks now.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Out of respect for everybody, we we need to bring
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: them on. UM. So let's take one break when we
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna bring on Kelty Night, who is
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: uh promoting a new book. Hey, we'll back with Almost
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Fama podcast. Our first guest on this week's podcast, uh
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: is somebody that's a friend of our somebody that we've
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: always enjoyed listening to as a friend of Bachelor Nation. Again,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I want to say that any conversation today, UM, we
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: are all sitting in this place of learning and recognizing
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: what's going on around the world right now. Um, but
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: we still have a podcast to make and we still
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: have guests to interview. UM, and so for a bit
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: of time here, I'm sure our guests are gonna want
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: to recognize what's going on. UM, give them grace, give
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: us grace and moving forward with these interviews because they
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: have been scheduled for a while and have respect for
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: all of them. We want to bring them on because
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: they have a lot of things that they're doing in
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: their lives that we need to talk about and want
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: to talk about. So our first guest today is Kelty Night.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: She is promoting a book called Act Like a Lady.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Kelty Welcome to the the Almost Famous podcast. You guys, thanks
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: so much for having me on, and I love your show. Obviously,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: this isn't like what you would expect a book week,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: a book launch week. You guys have launched things before
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: on your own. You know that. It's like you work
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: so hard for a year and a half and it's
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: not you know, it's not supposed to be this, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: it is very uncomfortable. Um. I don't think anyone wants
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: to get on a microphone and try to entertain the masses,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: because nothing you do today or tomorrow or in the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: coming months is going to be the right thing, you
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. And both of you coming from obviously,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I know you guys have souls and you have thoughts
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: and so many things. We come from a land of
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: vatro nation which everyone assumes that you maybe don't have
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: those things, and that it's just this frivolous place. And
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: now you become the speakers of a generation, and what
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: pressure to put on you, you you know. And so I'm
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: really of the mindset of I'm trying to be gentle
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: with myself and I'm trying to be gentle with other
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: people because I'm doing the best I can and it's imperfect.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And this is going to be a lifetime of education.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: There's not going to be one time where I could
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: come back on your show and say I have figured
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: it out. I have figured out how to be a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: black ally in this world. But we have to try,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and we have to educate ourselves. And um, and the
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: thing that I really learned that I'm embarrassed that I
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: learned at thirty eight years old, after being on television
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: for a decade, is that it is not the responsibility
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: of our black friends to educate us. That, you know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I I saw so many people in our Lady Gain
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Facebook group, myself reaching out to my black friends and saying,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you know, what do you think I should do? And
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: they're like, go yourself, Like you should know what to do?
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Is not I'm exhausted from just being black, Like, it
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: is not my job to go around and educate you.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: And so I think that's a turning point that I've had. Um.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I love this conversation of it's not enough
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to just say I'm not a racist person. I'm not
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a racist person. I don't lip sync the N word
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: when I'm singing rap songs like I. You know, there's
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: different levels right of like of these of people, and
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: it's like I'm one of those people that's like never, never, never,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: So I can consider myself like I'm I'm good at this,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: but I'm not, you know what I mean? I learned
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: this week so many things, even just in the last
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: four or five days, that I was doing wrong, that
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I was asking, you know, the community to help me
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: when it's not their job to help me. And so,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: you know, I think I'm sick to my stomach. I
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: haven't slept. I'm sick, and like, can you imagine what
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: that feels like on us, what we feel, how uncomfortable
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: we feel right now. These people have been feeling this
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: way their whole lives. And that was my first question,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: is what have you learned um in the last few weeks?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: And and you know, maybe you're you know we said
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: it earlier, maybe you've been the type of person who
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: has been learning this your whole life. But one of
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the hardest realizations for me and and Ashley personally, as
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: we've talked offline, is there's been a plank in my
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: eye for thirty one years of my life. I thought
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I knew what I was doing was right. I thought
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I knew that I wasn't a racist, But as you said,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I'm learning this week, that there are things that I've
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: done every day, there's things that I've said, there's ways
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I've treated people that is exhausting for the black community,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: that is exhausting, that it's it's not fair and it's
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: not right. So my first question was, what have you learned? Um,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: it's interesting that you say, uh, and we'll get into
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the book in a second, but it's interesting that you
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: say that it's not the job of the black community
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: to to educate us. Can you dive into that a
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: little bit, because, um, it has I mean, you're right,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: like if we're exhausted this week, right, So, so you
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and I sitting here and Ashley sitting there, and ash
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: she was in tears a little bit ago, and we're saying,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this has been an exhausting week. Holy cow,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: let's take a step back and realize that that this
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: like how how privileged is it for us to say
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: it's been an exhausting week? Because if you said this
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: is a lifetime for them, right, Well, it's interesting, you know, Um,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I I think the thing that I've learned is that
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: it was really interesting. I had this wonderful conversation with
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: one of the co hosts um On Entertainment tonight in
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Michelle Turner, who I love like a sister. We worked
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: together for a decade. We share a love of fashion.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: We get cod over celebrities. You know, we host the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: SAG Awards for a d together, like we match our outfits.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I'm actually really just embarrassed, like I'm so sorry because
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I've been your friend for all these years, but like,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: have I been a good friend? Like I'm not sure
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that I have. And I think I've come to you
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: before and said what do you think of this? And
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I've realized it's not you know, your job to educate me.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And she said something so wonderful. She said, Kelty, you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: anytime you're uncomfortable or you're making progress, there's nothing to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: be ashamed about. So you shouldn't feel ashamed about that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And and she said, um, and anyone who makes you
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: feel that way is probably awf a little bit. And
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: she and then she said, you know, I've had a
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: very similar learning experience with the lgbt Q community. She's like,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I grew up in the South black South, like I
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: maybe didn't have my lessons in that. And so I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: actually loved that answer because it made me feel like
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: we all as human beings have something to learn. This
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: is the thing this week that we absolutely have to
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: focus on long term. This can't just be like a
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: flash in a pan thing obviously, but you know, it's like,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I was really appreciative and I think that when you
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: show that you're doing the work that I think our
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: friends are black friends are thankful for that, you know.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: With Lady again yesterday, we realized we kind of sat
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: back INTOK a couple of days and you know, we
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: have we don't do politics on our podcast, we don't
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: do politics on our Facebook because we felt like when
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: we started the brand, you know, politics is that thing
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: that divides people. Right, it's like your left or your right,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and I'm Canadian, so I'm like different, you know, and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: then there's like UK and you know, so it's like
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: if we want this one world community of women, like
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you can't really do politics as we always took it
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: out of the group. And then we realized, well, maybe
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: we've done ourselves a disservice by kind of avoiding these
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: hard conversations. It's a little easier, um, and we had
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to go to our fans and be like we sucked
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: up and we didn't use our power in the right way,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and like we have to change that and now we are.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: But how embarrassing We've been doing this for five years.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I've been on TV for ten years, like I'm forty.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: It's so freaking pathetic that we're doing this right now.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Like I'm so embarrassed that I'm reading the book White
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Fragility for the first time, Like I should have been
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: doing this when I was nineteen, like I'm or six. Well,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: thanks for sharing, Um, I appreciate you, Keelty, thank you
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: for for sharing it. And yeah, um just that on,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. But yeah, we do have a
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: book to promote. It feels so stupid. I literally am
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: like what am I doing? And also I'm like a psycho,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Like all I want to do is promote this book,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: like I have loved and lived this book for a
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: year and a half, Like I'm it's like I'm birthing
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: my child and they can't get the babies it would
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: tell us about the book. It's called Act like a Lady.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: So basically it's totally stupid in light of what's happening
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: in the world. But here's what you do. You get
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: your book that's going to help you change your mindset
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: on these issues that are in our country. You get
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: your face mask and you wear it and you don't
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: go to the beach and be besides someone four feet
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: away only and then you get act like a lady
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: off Amazon. You put it on the bookshelf for a week,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and then when you feel like the time is right
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: for something fun, you open the book and you see
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the vagina wallpaper and you know that this is going
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to be. This is gonna be where you're gonna go
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: with the book. So Jack drew these vaginas. Now that
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the book is essentially Um, thanks for asking. I feel
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: so stupid to I'm just gonna say this again, like
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I feel ridiculous. Um, but listen, this is a year
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and a half of hard work and I want to
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: honor it that work. Um, So the books and four points.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: It's your relationship with yourself, your relationship with your lover,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: your relationship with your career, and your relationship with your friends.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: And we came together and we wrote all the super
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: vulnerable essays about those different things in our lives. So
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I was married when I was twenty and
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I talked about being a like a twenty year old
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: bride where my dad was like, here we go a pumpkin,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure he meant like, you don't have
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to do this. Do you want me to get you
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: out of here right now? Like as I didn't know
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: you're married before. It's like my best kept secret. I
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: have not talked about it. This is what you're supposed
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: to do. Like when Jessica Simpson was like, I had
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: an emotional fair Johnny Knoxville in her book, you keep
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: like when you're a real celebrity, you keep all your deepest,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: darkest secrets for the print. Um so, yeah, I was married.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah I was married wise twenty Um
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I was married for eleven months to this guy from
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: New York who I think is in the FBI. Now
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: it's all in the book. It's like too much of
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: a starre to even share. But um, so we talked
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: about that and like vulnerable things like um, oh, when
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I had my neck done like two years ago, talk
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: about right now. Yeah, when I had a thirty five
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: year old necklift because you had had a waddle and
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: it bothered me. Um, because I'm that vain and stupid. Um.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: But when you talk about losing people. We talk about um,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: you know the Becca has like dated a sex addict,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: so we talked about I mean, there's just like a
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: lot of those. Do you have stories from your your
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: co host, your lady getting co host Becca Tobin and
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Jack Van Jack vanneck Um And then people might be wondering, okay,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: like we like Kelty, we know her from E T
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: But why why are the almost famous podcast? Why is
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: she here? Well? You, I don't know a lot of
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: you don't know. Tell them why why you are appropriate
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: fit for this podcast? Okay? So you know all you
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: bitches and men's when you are like, you know what
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I want to do. I want to go on The
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Bachelor that looks like fun. I am the person that
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: will tell you do not can do that. You guys
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: have both had luck somewhat of luck. Well now it
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: all turned out okay. But so I was an unemployed
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: something twenty something without a television. By the way, I
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: loved US Weekly like and I would see all these
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: people come out and I was like, this is the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: show for me. I'm gonna be in Trista Sutter like
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I got this. So I went on and I lasted
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours. It was the most traumatic experience of
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: my life. Um it was Emily Maynard season and I
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: was in a limo with Emily Maynard. Oh you were okay.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: You were on brad wall Mac season while Emily was
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: there Okay season two. His second time in the limo
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: was like Emily Maynard and Michelle Money and me, that's
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: an intimidating bunch. I remember looking at them and being like,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I have no boobs and I've just realized this for
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the first time in my life, and like, there's no
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: faking way this guy is gonna want a girl with
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: no boobs. And I walked out and I remember walking
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: up to him and I was like, oh, like, you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: know they make you wear so much makeup? You remember
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: been like yeah, And I was like this guy is like, oh,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: so much makeup and I was like gross. Anyway, I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: did an amazing high kick out of the limo, which
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think I get enough credit for, and then
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I got kicked off and it was so dramatic, to
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the point that Caitlin Bristol, Caitlin Bristol and I grew
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: up together, so their mom's Leslie her mom and my
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: mom Sheila were like best friends. They all worked at
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the Stance studio together, Like I was in every Kid
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Fashion show with Caitlyn and her sister. Like we anyway,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: So Caitlin like three years later, writes me this email
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and she's like, hey, I'm thinking about going on the Batch.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: So I'm living then over right now. And I wrote
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: her this impassioned plate. I was like, Caitlin, this is
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: something that they can never take from you forever. No
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: matter what you do. You're going to be that girl
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: who went on the Bachelor. Was like it was the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: worst experience of my life. They was like it was
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: so embarrassing, like, oh my god, do not go. And
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: then like I never hear from her, and then all
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, she's like the Bachelorette. I'm like, oh
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: my god. And now we always laugh about it because
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, can you imagine, like you built this whole
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: career and she's like all the stuff she's doing, and
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, and I told you to just stay being
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: a waitress in Vancouver, right advice? Don't use my advice.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: So that's hilarious. Kelsey. My last question for you, because
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta move on. To the lead leading
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: lady of Labor of Love. Um oh, I loved her. Yeah,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: she's so pretty. How did you get from being the
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: girl that wasn't elimited night one to like a host
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: on et insanely popular podcast. Just you just kind of
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like pretended like it never happened, right, and you just
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: built this amazing career. No. I mean, the thing is
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: that when you get kicked off so fast, it's like
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: you don't have any of the notoriety. And when I start,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: when I was on there was no like Instagram, like,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like it is now where like reality Steve
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: is uncovering the spoilers, Like, it didn't work like that.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: So I kind of went off. And then I was
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: actually a professional dancer at the time, and I was
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: still dancing and kept kept doing that career, and I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: had this blog and it had become kind of popular,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: and I've been creating all these YouTube videos. And then
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I was at a lunch and this girl CBS is like,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: do you want to make some digital videos for CBS?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, what's that. Like I've never
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: went to a real job interview before in my life,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and like showed up in like my Van Halen T
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: shirt and they were like, oh, that's an interesting choice. Um.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: And then I started making the videos and they did
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: really well. And then I just spent ten years like
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: moving up the ladder um to do TV. So, I mean,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: there's a million ways that you can get into it.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: It's just a lot of people don't have that work ethic,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: like to do what you guys are doing. Like it's like, yeah,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: it's so fun and it's so great, but it's also
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: job and that's not always fun, you know. I just
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: looked up, by the way, I just looked up on
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Google your kick no no, no, you're a Bachelor or
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: your Bachelor picture. Uh. It's it's hard to find because
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: it's under the name Keilty Bush. Oh yeah, that's my
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: maiden name. But it's there and and it's a good one.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: We're going to post it to the Bachelor to our
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Facebook group totally. First of all, the ombre hair, that
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: just shows you how long ago it was. Oh my goodness,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: it's really fantastic. Well hey, Kelty Knight, Uh, thank you
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: for coming on once again. Her new book Act Like
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: a Lady is available now. Uh, Kelty, where can people
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: find it before we let you go. Yeah, everywhere books
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: are sold so like Amazon, Barnes and Noble books a million. Um,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: We're asking people to support indie booksellers right now. And
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: that's it awesome, Hey, Kelty Knight, thanks a lot, Thanks guys. Bye.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: There's obviously, as we mentioned, a lot going on in
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation right now, and and a lot of it
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: rightfully so has been kind of surrounding the topic of
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: educating everybody on UM the just in a sense systematic
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: not even a sense, the truth that systematic racism has
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: existed UM the United States UM since the beginning and
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and again, as we mentioned the beginning of the podcast,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: if that makes you uneasy to hear, I just uh
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: you know what I just asked you take a step
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: back and uh spend some time educating yourself. Now. Nobody
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: is saying that, uh, that we need to dismiss people.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Nobody is saying that there is not a brighter future ahead.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Nobody is saying that we just stopped here. But the
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: topics surrounding everything right now is, hey, we need to
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: start listening, we need to stand up UM. And and and
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: the protests are about not only the fact that black
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: lives matter, but also against police brutality and and recently, UH,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: we've seen police officers join in on these marches, uh
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: in these protests because UH, I don't want to say
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: a majority, I don't know the numbers, but a lot
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: of police officers who and we have people that are
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: listening right now that have familing members of the police officers.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: They're good people who want to do a good thing
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: in this world and who are here for the for
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: if in Batchelor terms, the right reasons. UM. But there
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: is select few police officers out there, and maybe there's
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: more than anybody's ever known that that need to be
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: found out, that need to be removed from their jobs
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: and and some of which need to be UM charges
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: need to be pressed because they have continue to bring
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: down and focus on the black community for too long.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: And and in relation to the story that and in
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the video that we've seen this week with George Floyd's death,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: there's been too many people that have had their knees
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: literally on the next of of black humans for too long,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and it's time to stand up. And some of the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: people have been leading us through this are Rachel Lindsay
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: from Bachelor Nation. Rachel Lindsay has been very outspoken, UH,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: and we're learning a ton from her right now. Uh.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: She has updated her picture to Ahmad are Berry who
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: was shot UM just a few weeks ago. And and
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: she's also been UM starting a podcast called Higher Learning.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: She's doing that with Van Leathan, UH to educate us
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: all on topics really pressing that are pressing uh the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: country right now. So that right now they're obviously focusing
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: on the things that are prevalent and the and the
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: protests and the riots and the unfair death of really
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: great people. But this podcast will continue and and they
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: will just continue to keep us updated and educated. In
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: addition to that, Mike Johnson has posted a photo UH
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: that gained a lot of attention and that people are
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: on to Ashley. Uh. Mike posted this photo and added
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: a lengthy caption that explained UM a lot of kind
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: of his his upbringing and what he just wanted to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: communicate to all of us on where he came from,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: what his dreams are, and who he is as a man.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Surerid it? I think we should. It's long, UM, but
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: actually take it away. Okay, He said, I didn't always
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: believe in myself or my voice growing up, I always
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: thought the idea of accomplishing a big dream, let alone
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: surpassing one, was just something that could be talked about
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: but never actually realized. A lot of things took place
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: in my life that reinforced that for me, and for
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a long time, I never felt truly seen. That's why
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: representation matters, and that's why my work at b b
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: B S America is so important. It's for nearly a decade,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: he says, um, I've been working as a big through
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: their incredible organization, which means that I've had the opportunity
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: to show up for a little child waiting to believe
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: in his voice. Many of the children are on the
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: wait list for younger versions of myself. Black kids are
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: watching the news, hearing different points of view and not
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: understanding where they fit in. It really shouldn't be that
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: hard for a kid to see their potential or no
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: their safety. Through this mentorship of young people, we can
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: add to the work being done to heal our society.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: This is not an ad nor is it a solution
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the only solution. This is just a calling from my
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: heart to yours to consider becoming a big in your
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: hometown to help advance the conversation with the next generation
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: of young people who will do better in this world
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: because they have been seen. Yeah. So it's it's things
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: like this that are UM they're helping educates not as
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: we've talked about, it is not the job of UM
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: the black community to educate us. We have to take
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: responsibility for that. But it's resources like the one Mike
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: shared and involving UH, everybody involving themselves and those in
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: those organizations and those missions and those causes that will
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: help us progress forward. I also want to add one
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: little thing. UM, if you guys saw my Instagram yesterday,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: my friend had a really great idea on NBA two K,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: which is one of his favorite games. They had this
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: cool thing with COVID nineteen where you can do an
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: in game donation, and he was hoping that we could
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: get the attention of somebody at NBA two K to
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: do the same thing, but for the organization's supporting UM
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: this kind of change that we need in the world.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: So he was thinking about having the NBA players in
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the digital game be wearing certain h jerseys that advocate
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: advocate for change, and to have the like basically to
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: have a five dollar donation or so on um, and
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: then you can have your entire digital team be wearing
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: these jerseys and then the money would go to these organizations.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: So if you guys like this idea, or you know
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: somebody in the two K, the NBA two K community
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: who works for them, has ties or clout to the game,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: just go to my recent Instagram post posting the comments
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: and then I'll try to pass it on to who
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I can. Thanks ash. Uh. Hannah Brown has, as we mentioned,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: came out and apologized for using the N word in
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: a rap song a few weeks ago. The UH coming
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: from a direct quote from Hannah during an apology. She
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: is completely focused on educating herself, even hiring an educator
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: to help. She says, and this is Hannah's words, help
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: me understand the things that I've never even have been taught,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: learned or been a part of my education before. Later
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Uh in the apology, UH, Hannah says this to all
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the fans and listeners she said. She concluded her video
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: with this. She says, if you want to support me, UH,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: do not defend me. What I did. What I said
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: was indefensible. She later says, I don't need anybody to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: defend me for what I did, because what I said
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: what I did was wrong. But I'm hoping that what
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I did was But what I'm hoping that what I
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: did was wrong. But what I didn't know even before
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: is the worst part of it, and it's the ignorance.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I'm no longer ignorant, and I'm no longer going to
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: be a part of the problem. Brown vowed, I will
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: be a part of the solution. And if you see that,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: from the bottom of my heart, I am sorry. I'm
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: sorry to everyone I heard and disappointed. I promised to
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: continue to do better. I promise. That's from Hannah Brown
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: in her apology this week, she took to Instagram live
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: and it was about twenty minutes long. Uh, And it's
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: really I think what fans, what non fans, people who
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: were angry at Hannah, what they were kind of crying
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: for for a while was Hannah, we need to hear
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: from you. And she just took a while. But it
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: sounds like during that time she was educating herself on
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: on why and and and what and how that what
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: she said was wrong. Kind of that the history and
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: and the heaviness to using the inn word in any circumstance.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: We are certainly not the people to accept the apology
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: from Hannah, but we definitely respect her being on this
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: learning mission and to encourage others to get on the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: train with her as well. Um, I really do feel
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: like she's trying to better herself. Yeah, I think so too,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and and that's the hope. And I don't think and
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: we never condoned her being canceled. I think what everybody
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: was just waiting for was a very genuine apology, and
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I think we got it definitely. Yeah, we just wouldn't
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: know where she stood. If she didn't want to apologize,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: then that would teach us something else. We're just kind
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: of waiting to hear from Hannah, and she finally did well.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: In more Bachelor Nation news, Um, bachel Nation has been
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: sitting their support to Colton and Cassie after they announced
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: their split. Now, I didn't see this coming. I didn't
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: interview last week, and I wrongfully said that I don't
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: think Cassie and Colton were not together, because Colton was
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: posting pictures and seeming very happy, and I was like,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I just don't. I mean, I've been in that situation.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: It's heavy, it's hard, it's confusing, But we did find
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: out that Colton and Cassie have broken up. They seem
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: like they've done it on mutually good terms. What do
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: you know, ash m hmm. There's not much, but I
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: know that cat there doesn't not There's not much more
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: to elaborate on, but Cassie is really annoyed. There's a
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: lot of stories going around that this is a long
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: time coming and that she tried to break up with
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: him multiple times before this one actually stuck, and she
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: is very much going after those publications saying that that
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: is not the case at all. Um. She she and
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Colton Um they split at some point after he left
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: her family's house once he recovered from COVID, and I
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: started to get a little bit suspicious when it was
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: her birthday and his birthday message didn't sound like one
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: to a girlfriend. And then when he left and went
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: to he go to Colorado, Colorado. When he went to
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Colorado without her, I was like, you know, they're not
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: engaged or not married. It's not that weird. But then
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I felt like as time went on and there was
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: less and less mentions of each other, I started to
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: become a little I started speculating a bit, but you know,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I thought that possibly they're going through a rough patch,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: and I am sad to hear the end of them.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I really think they were so adorable, and to think
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: about how hard, cold and fought for her and all
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the wonderful things that he says about her in the book,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: and their relationship just seems so sweet whenever I was
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: around it. So I'm pretty sad about it. Yeah, it's tough,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: but we're thinking of them. It's never for fun Um
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: to go through a public breakup. We wish them both
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the best. Another Bachelor news, Lauren and Ari got pregnant
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: this month and then she suffered a miscarriage. It's very sad.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: They have a half an hour video up on their
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: YouTube explaining the entire past couple of weeks where she
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: had a missed miscarriage, which means that the embryo didn't
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: quite miscarry, and there's some like at eight weeks, the
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: embryo was only at five weeks. They're going to do
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: a far better job. They do a far better job
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: explaining the actual kind of miscarriage that she had, So
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: go check that out on YouTube. We're really sorry and
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: we're thinking about them. But um, in brighter news, we
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: we did have a bachelor birth this week. Bachelor in
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Paradise alum Jenna Cooper welcomed her first child. Her name
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: is Pressley Bell and she is a beautiful baby. She
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: has a full head of brown hair and she shares
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: the child with her new boyfriend, whom she's been with
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: for I think about a year now. And if you
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: go on to Jena's social media, you'll see that she
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: kind of gave us a headline of the moment she
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: went into labor, to her getting to the hospital, and
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: then Pressley's birth. This is huge bachelor news. Victoria Fuller
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: and Crystals are apparently exclusively dating. Ben and I both
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: have told you guys that we haven't really talked to
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Chris about this. Um, so we are not the ones
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: that are anonymously saying that they are exclusively dating to
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: US magazine. But this source, unnamed says that they are exclusive,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: and damned does it seem like Victoria hospital a lot
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: of time on the farm. She looks to have been
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: in Iowa for at least six weeks now. She is
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: still quarantining over there and took a little drive up
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: to see Kelsey from her season. So it seems like
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: we have a new Bachelor couple to add to the
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: list of happy couples we've got going on out there.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Madison prue it will not be in a happy couple
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: anytime soon. She says that after the dating experience she
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: had on The Bachelor, she's just gonna lay low for
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: a while. And she says, quote, after I go through
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: something big in life, like a break up, a transitional move,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: a change, or anything like that, I really try to
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: take the time to make sure my heart is in
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: the best place and then my heart, mind, and body
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: are all healthy. She said that she's been taking time
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: to really get back to the best version of herself
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: and make sure that she's in a great place. And
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: right now she hasn't even considered going on dates or
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: anything like that, and anybody who's asked about, you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: her going on dates, she's just been saying, I'm focusing
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: on myself right now. She further denies there being any
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: sort of serious rotation with a Connor. Last week on
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: My Husband's podcast, Dean Unglert said he one time slid
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: into Andy Dorfman's d MS, he saw a picture of
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: her and bff Amanda standing on Instagram and he was like, Oh,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: that girl's cute. Then he clicked on the picture and
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: he was like, oh, that's any door from the past bachelor. Right.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Dean doesn't exactly remember whether or not he slid into
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: the d M or whether he just had Amanda tried
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: to put in a good word for him, but the
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: bottom line is he thought Andy Dorfman was cute, but
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: now it's very happy in a year long relationship with Caitlin.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Now we got uh some crossing of the reality TV
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: lines and fiance start. Fernanda Flores is now dating a bachelor,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Alam McClay Harbor. They even aired a date last week
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: on TV via zoom um it's the ninety day Fiance
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: self Quarantined. Addition, it was on Monday's episode where the
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: twenty two year old had a date with Clai a Um.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: They apparently have gone out on a date that was
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: that happened before quarantine. She said she wasn't in the
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: best place back then. She was just recently just you know,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: finalized her divorce. But now she's getting to a better
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: place and I guess she's zooming on TV with Clay
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and finally our last piece of Bachelor news, and it's
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: an important one. Guys. Bachelor producers have a surprising plan
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: for how the Bachelor franchise will film in quarantine. I
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: don't really know if it's surprising, because we did speculate
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: about it, uh a couple of months ago, but it
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: looks like they're going to decide on a resort location
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: to film the entire season at very soon. They go
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: on to say that it's not so much the guys
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: self quarantining that's gonna be the big problem here when
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: it comes to the covid era, but it's going to
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: be having so much staff, so much production in such
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: close quarters, because they're even talking about like the control
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: room and normally have like at least ten people in
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: something the size of a trailer. Ten people, and that
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: is going to be really hard to create distance in.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: So that is what they're trying to figure out now.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: But when we do figure out what resort or what
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: state they'll be filming in, of course we will let
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: you know. Here. We're just excited and as long as
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: far as the timeline goes, it looks as if they
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: still have their goal. On a September air all right,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: well those are your Bachelor headlines. After the break, we're
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: going to have somebody who is a Bachelor alum that
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: you may know that may have no idea was on
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: the show before. Alright, guys, so now we have the
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: leading lady of Labor of Love. It is on Thursdays
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: at nine o'clock eight Central on Fox, and you, guys,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: don't tell ABC or Mike Flights or anything, but it's
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: very similar to the Bachelorette, except in this case the
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: lady is looking for more of a sperm donor than
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: a lover. But it's kind of somewhere in between. So
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Christie Katzman on the line and she's
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: gonna tell me about her new Fox show, Labor of Love. Hey, Christie, Hi, Okay, Christy.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: We just had Keelty Night on and she was on
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor many years ago, Mountain many years ago, ten
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: years ago, Bradwallmax first season, and you were also on
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Bradwall Max season. But you were on the first of
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: his two seasons right yes, one point now and you
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: lasted five weeks. Gosh, it's hard to remember the timeline.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I was in final six, so wow, it used to
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: be more drastic about the cuts. You know, it went
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: from to fifteen the very first night. Damn, that's wild
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. That is a lot of pressure. Okay,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: so you made the top six, which which is um
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: especially these days, you make top sis six, you're pretty memorable.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: But I guess before the social media era, if you
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: made top six, you made Top six, and then you
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: were kind of you truly had your fifteen minutes of fame, right, Yeah,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: it's funny. I think that was the last season really
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: um a where we didn't get to travel around the
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: world and do all these really cool destination dates. But
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: it was like the last season before social media really hit.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: So I really feel like I was kind of part
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: of old school Bachelor Nation. So you went from Bachelor
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Nation to getting married briefly in two ausand fifteen um,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: not having any kids, but having an amazing successful career,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: and then you've decided to go back to reality TV
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: to find is it love or is it sperm? Because
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to find I watched the first episode and
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I still couldn't quite figure out what is the primary
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: goal here? Is it to find a husband or is
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: it to find somebody that you like enough to be
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: the father of your children and to keep in your
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: life forever. Yeah. I mean that's a great question. It's
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: funny because that has come up a lot with people,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: and at first it surprised me because I felt so
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: clear about what I was doing. But you know, it's
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: a little unconventional, so I understand the confusion. I will
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: say I never went on the show to find a
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: sperm donor, like, way easier ways to do that than
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: go on a reality television show, right. I think for me,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I did this because I really wanted it all um.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: You know, for me, I was already on the path
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: to pursuing motherhood on my own, and that was something
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: that I had really started looking into seriously, you know,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: probably in the year prior to the show crossing my Path,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: and I had hesitated with that because if that's what
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: I needed to do, I was willing to do it.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: But I really wanted to have that experience with a partner.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: So for me, the show kind of just fit my
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: life perfectly, and it seemed like a great opportunity to
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: sort of give that one last push before I moved
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: forward with motherhood on my own. Because you know, you
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: have a group of men who are basically selected for me,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: that are in the same place as me. So I
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: would say, short and sir, I wanted it all was
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: to fall in love and to fall in love with
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: me on that I could also see starting a family with,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: So that was my my dream goal in the situation.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: But that being said, I was really open to other outcomes,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: and that's where, especially in this season one, we kind
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: of have to see how it all plays out, because
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I was open to co parenting and I was willing
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: to move forward on my own. If that's how things
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: kind of played okay, very interesting. So basically we'll have
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: to watch the entire series and follow your life afterwards
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: to see how this okay exactly How cool was it
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: to have Kristin Davis be the co host, who I
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: truly think is the perfect fit for this because in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: a way, you're kind of Charlotte oriented. If you guys
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: don't know Charlotte from Sexonicity was always the hopeless romantic
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: who always wanted to be a wife and a mom,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: and not only was that her m O on the show,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: but in real life she actually I don't know that
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: she ever found like her soul mate but she found
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: her kids who she adopted, so she was able to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: figure it out in a way. But I just think
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: that it's really cool that she was selected to be
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: the host because I think like both her real life
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: and her on screen life, uh kind of relate to
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: what you're going through. Yeah, it's so true and it's funny.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that chris and was going to be
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the host. So I opened the door the first day
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: and it's Charlotte from Sex in the City standing at
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: the door. And I may have looked calm that I
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: was definitely not calm inside. I mean, Charlotte was my girl.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, you know, I was in my twenties
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: when Sex in the City, you know, aired the first time,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: and I was a Charlotte, So I'm already kind of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: freaking out. I think this is the reason my friends
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: are most jealous of me is because I got spent
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: a couple of months with Kristen and have Christens like
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: a bff. So I don't blame them, um, but you're
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: so right. I mean, her her character really had, you know,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: some of the same struggles, and I feel like Christen's
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: really relatable in just how her like that she spent
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: her thirties really pursuing acting, obviously having a hit show
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: and being very engrossed in that. Um. And I think
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: this is true for a lot of women, you know,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: you me myself, and I see this in a lot
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: of women I know. Assume that the family piece will
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: just fall into place. Um, And so then it becomes
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: when it doesn't and you are running out of top time,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: what do you do? And that's where you have to
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: start having more of an open mind and maybe pursuing
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: things unconventionally. Yeah. And we even saw Charlotte's character, you know,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: she adopted on the show. She also then adopted in
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: real life. And then um, she went through IVF on
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Sex in the City with Harry because they're having a
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: hard time conceiving. And you worked with Dr Brian Kaplan
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: at Ova egg Freezing in Chicago, which is ironically where
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Whitney Bishop angel Um. You know the winner quote quote
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: of Chris Souls this season works. And I've known about
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: OVA and I did a whole podcast on it a
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago. So why did you go with
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: h OVA? Is they are they really like the creme
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Dela creme of egg freezing yes. I mean so OVID self,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: I think is kind of a special thing. And I
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: had already started to work with them before this show
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: kind of came about in my life, and I think
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: what they've done really is they've tried to cater to
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: um women, you know, and in quote unquote single women.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: So you go in there and it really is about
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: egg freezing, so you're maybe not inundated with all of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: the other things if you went into a regular fertility clinic, right,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: and they've also done something really special. I think they
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: really do kind of give you this v I P treatment,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: which I know personally I've experienced the opposite of that.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: You know, when you kind of go in being single
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: h in this situation, you know, it can be a
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: little harsh sometimes. So I feel like Ovid's tried to
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: try to create something that is just about egg freezing
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: um and you know, made that an exciting, luxurious experience
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: versus something that maybe you feel self conscious about. And
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: of course Dr kaplan Um you know, works with that
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: team as well, and of course you know the IVF
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: would happen with Dr kaplin Um. But Dr keplan is amazing,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: you know, I actually know so many women that have
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: babies now because of Dr Kaplin. So I had already
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: done my research, and I feel like O was something special.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: It's relatively new and and you know, having the opportunity
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: to work with Dr Kaplin, I already knew I wanted
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: to work with him. So this is like a dream
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: combination happening here. That's so cool. In the first episode,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: the guys like they meet you and then they're ushered
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: off to go get samples up their sperm. They are
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: given some materials and they're like a vehicle sort of
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: like it kind of looks like a big porta potty thing,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: but the guys go in there to get their samples,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: And like, how awkward did you feel during that moment
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: and being like one of the opening scenes of the show,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: and like the guy's first activity, were you like poor guys?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Or were at the same time being like, yeah, we
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: are getting down to business. I need both. But first
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: of all, can we just say that no one else
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: is allowed to claim most awkward date in the world,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: because that most awkward first date, I think awkard group
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: date most say. I mean, so it was both really
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: and I think people don't realize this, but I actually
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: didn't know that was going to happen so um, and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think Kristen did either. So we're standing there
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: and kind of realizing what's going to happen. And I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: was definitely panicking inside because of exactly what you said.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I had literally just met these guys maybe twenty minutes before.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: We had a really big weather delay that morning with filming,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: so I really did only have about fifteen twenty minutes
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: to actually social life with them before we went out
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: to do the whole like fertility test, right, So I
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: thought for sure half the guys would run away um,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: and I was really pleasantly surprised when they didn't. I
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: knew that I had to look calm and stay strong
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: or they probably would start freaking out. Um. But what's
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: that go over the initial shock? Honestly, I thought, well,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: why shouldn't they have to go through this? And I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: think a big fear that I had going into this
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: was could they find men who truly wanted this to um?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Because obviously a woman's timeline is a little bit different, right.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: So I feel like this was a really good way
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: to really see who was there for the right reasons,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Because if you weren't why would you do it? Our
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: parents are going to watch this, so you let me
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: into the perfect direction to ask this. A lot of
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: people are talking a lot about age when it comes
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: to Claire's season. She's going to be thirty nine and
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: a half when it starts filming. Um. A lot of
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: the guys ages that were announced prior in March, they
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: were young. A lot of people worried that they wouldn't
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: be ready for the type of lifestyle that Claire was
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: ready for. What advice would you give to her? Uh,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: weeding out the men when she does finally meet them. Yeah, well,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: she's not allowed to do the fertility testing. I already
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: claimed that one. So I mean, I think you see
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: this as the show goes on. Um, you know, the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: episodes kind of roll out with labor of love. But
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: you know, I feel like I'm really direct in this show.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: And a lot of people have commented on that, And
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: the truth is, it's because That's where I'm at in life.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: This is already the way that I've been having to
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: date the last couple of years. Um, and at this
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: point in life, like I literally don't have time to waste.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: But I've also just gotten to the point in life
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: where I have no interest in wasting anyone's time, and
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to waste my time. So I
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: think you just learned to be more direct. So I'm
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: sure Claire is already on this, but that would be
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: my advice to her. Be very clear about what you're
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: looking for, and don't be afraid to ask the hard
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: questions sooner rather than later. Knowing Claire, I don't think
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: she's going to have a problem with any of that.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's a problem. Do you have you
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: ever met her or do you watch the show Hardcore? Yeah,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I've watched the show. Yeah, so I do remember her
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: from her season. And then I saw I saw, you know,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: when they did the big announcement, and you know, I
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: of course had already filmed this show, so I knew
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: that it was um coming out sometime. I just didn't
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: know when then, And I remember thinking, this is a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: big moment, you know, to have a bachelorette who is
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: maybe a little older than the typical bachelorette. And then,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: you know, knowing that my show is coming out, that
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: really speaks to me what is happening in modern society
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: right now? There are so many women, and honestly, I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: think what you'll learn on Labor of Love there's actually
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: quite a few men in this position too, so I
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: think it's really refreshing to actually see this talk about
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: uh huh where they spent so long of their twenties
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: and thirties developing a career. Right and then yeah, yeah,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: all right, well, Christie, Um, we're wishing you all the
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: luck in the world. We know that you've already taped
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: a show, but whatever you're going through in your romantic
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: and or fertility life right now, we hope it's going
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: very well. And you guys, if you are fans of
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor franchise, are gonna love Labor of Love. Upon
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: and ended. It's Fox nine o'clock on Thursdays. It's gonna
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: hold you over till Claire season, I promise you. By Christie.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Almost in this podcast is one that actually I do
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: care a lot about, and I know that this is
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: a time where both of us, all of us are
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: a little confused. We're also learning a ton. We've talked
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: about it throughout the podcast today. When I say that
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: if you are uncomfortable with the idea that black lives matter,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: that we don't need you here, I mean that, but
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: we want you here. We want to do this together,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: We want to learn together. The people who have listened
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: to this podcast, uh, for the most part, have been
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: a great community to us, and we want to continue
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: to bring you up to date on Bachelor News and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: the ins and outs of this world and the people
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: that are participating in it. But we also never want
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: to neglect the pressing, very difficult, very important, extremely important
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: issues that are in this world right now, and also
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: have a respect and a love for each human within
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: that knowing that ultimately, because we all you are listening
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: and we are talking, we all have a responsibility at
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: some level to respond and to have an opinion, and
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: within this right now, the opinion should be shouted from
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: the rooftop that black lives do matter. They matter so much,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: but so to yours. So get out there, no matter
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: what color you are, love on others well, um, and
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: continue listening to this podcast, we hope, because Ashley and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: I have a really good time doing it, even though
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: the last few months have been hard. But I've I've
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: I've really actually I've came to this conclusion. I am
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: who I am. I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna listen. I'm
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: gonna try my best to respond and to hear the
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: critiques and get better as a host and to get
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: better as a co host to you. But I am
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: who I am, and I can't be ashamed of that,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: and I can't run from that, and I can't hide
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: it because when I do, I'm not my best self
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: and I'm not doing anybody justice. You've been your best today,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: that's for sure as well. Hey, I love your kid,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: uh and and we're with all the people out there
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: right now protesting. UM. And I wish I could be
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: better too. I wish that I could express myself more
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: articulate without having to express it through my tears. But
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: you know what, that is something I will try to
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