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RHOC Gina Kirschenheiter Admits She Loves Her Ex’s New Wife · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome back to I Do Part two. It's
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  Speaker 1: your celebrity mentor Jen Fessler, and I am recording at
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  Speaker 1: Bravo Gone in Las Vegas and my guest today. You
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  Speaker 1: guys know her, You've watched her, You've loved her. She
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  Speaker 1: has an accent you can't really forget because she's actually
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  Speaker 1: an East Coast girl like me from the Real Housewives
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  Speaker 1: of Orange County. It's Gina Kerschenheider.
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  Speaker 2: You got it, I did yea yay me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, listen. We are absolutely thrilled to have you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: thrilled to be here. And as you know, this is
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  Speaker 1: I Do Part two. So we talk about sort of
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  Speaker 1: the first part of your romantic life and where you
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  Speaker 1: are right now. And I feel like you've really gotten
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  Speaker 1: it right this second time. I yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I think, just like anything, it takes you a couple
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  Speaker 3: of tries to get good at something, and I think, yes,
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  Speaker 3: I feel very good about it this time.
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  Speaker 1: As a viewer, it's so sweet. I love your dynamic. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I really do. So tell us about how long you
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  Speaker 1: were married and how many kids you have. Just fill
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  Speaker 1: in the blanks. Even if our viewers have been following
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  Speaker 1: you for years.
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  Speaker 3: It's so funny because I don't want you to hold
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  Speaker 3: me to the flame on this because it's been a
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  Speaker 3: long time. It's like I don't even really remember, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I was married for eight years total.
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  Speaker 3: I met my ex husband in college.
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  Speaker 2: We were very young.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, we got engaged very quick, married, very quick, kids,
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  Speaker 3: very quick. I moved to California pregnant with my third
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  Speaker 3: child ten years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is quick. It's very quick. And it's
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  Speaker 3: actually crazy because I moved pregnant with Luca, had Luca,
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  Speaker 3: and then like a year and a half later, I
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  Speaker 3: got cast it on the show. So most of my
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  Speaker 3: life in California has been the ride has been Housewives
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  Speaker 3: has been a part of it.
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  Speaker 1: That's really crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is very crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I want to know like how that's
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  Speaker 1: affected things and certainly a relationship now, but before we
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  Speaker 1: go there, I still want to know a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more about your ex husband. Okay, so and not just
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  Speaker 1: about him, but you know about sort of your situation, like,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, how did you know that it was over,
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  Speaker 1: that it was done? Like when did you kind of
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 3: It is interesting because I feel like because I was
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  Speaker 3: so young. People come from parents that are happily married, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: and so I didn't even really honestly think about divorce
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  Speaker 3: as like a thing or an option or something that
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  Speaker 3: would happen. I think when I look back on it,
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  Speaker 3: I understand that we were very young. I think we
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  Speaker 3: moved away from New York, which was our home base,
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  Speaker 3: from all of our support, family, everything, And I think
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  Speaker 3: my ex husband lost his way when we moved to California.
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  Speaker 3: He had had an affair, which I've been very open about,
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  Speaker 3: and still I didn't think that it was over. I thought, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: how are you going to fix this right?
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  Speaker 2: And we.
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  Speaker 3: It just kind of got to the point where I
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  Speaker 3: felt like I just kept waiting for him to like
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  Speaker 3: show up and prove to me that he wanted to
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  Speaker 3: be in it. And then at a certain point, like
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  Speaker 3: waiting for him to want to be in it, I
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  Speaker 3: realized that I didn't even.
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  Speaker 2: Want to be in it, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But it is pretty scary because then you think about,
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  Speaker 3: like what are honestly just like, what are your options?
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  Speaker 2: What are you going to do?
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  Speaker 3: I moved away from everything I knew, I moved away from,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I worked in New York all of that,
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  Speaker 3: and like just to think about the difference in dynamic
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  Speaker 3: of like what that looks like when you never thought
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  Speaker 3: that that was even a possibility.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, listen, divorce is I feel like they put
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  Speaker 1: it on the list of like the most traumatic, like
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  Speaker 1: it's death, divorce, I think moving. But I've also heard
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  Speaker 1: it said that until you're at the point where you're
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  Speaker 1: like I don't care. I don't care about the money.
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  Speaker 1: M you obviously will always care about your kids, but
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  Speaker 1: you're at the point where it's like this is not
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be better for the kids. I don't
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  Speaker 1: care about being single, Like I just I gotta get out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that that's kind of what Even
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  Speaker 3: when we did separate and I did start the divorce
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  Speaker 3: process and all of that, and we were very much
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  Speaker 3: not together, there was a point in time then that
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  Speaker 3: he wanted to reconcile and it was like he all
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  Speaker 3: of a sudden has epiphany and he wanted his family
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  Speaker 3: and he wanted to dad. And it was very short lived,
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  Speaker 3: and I but I did it because I felt like
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  Speaker 3: I owed it to my kids. And then it just
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  Speaker 3: all imploded horribly, And then it got to the point
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  Speaker 3: where I knew it could never go about that, right,
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  Speaker 3: So yes, and so I mean he really left me
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  Speaker 3: no option to stay by the end of our relationship,
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  Speaker 3: like there was literally nothing there. And then you look
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  Speaker 3: back and I'm like, honestly, like, I don't I just
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  Speaker 3: don't think that we were supposed to be together, Like
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  Speaker 3: I think we were supposed to be together in the
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  Speaker 3: way where we have three beautiful children and we were
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be parents together, because I truly you believe that,
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  Speaker 3: But I don't think we were supposed to be a
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  Speaker 3: romantic couple.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's like the greatest news ever. I hope
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  Speaker 1: that every door back and face, yes, well that was
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  Speaker 1: a mistake.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like yeah, I think like if more people can
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  Speaker 3: just say to themselves, like this is a.
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  Speaker 1: Mistake, that was a mistake, and we're moving on.
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  Speaker 3: And it allows you to segue out of it more
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  Speaker 3: gracefully and just And I don't think, like I don't
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  Speaker 3: even regret it, Like it was a time in life.
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  Speaker 3: It served its purpose, and it was a part of
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  Speaker 3: my life. Yeah, of course, but it wasn't meant to
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  Speaker 3: be forever, right, Yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So listeners, listen, sometimes you just got
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  Speaker 1: to say this this, okay, So anyway, tell me a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about Travis. I'm looking at his sweet face
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  Speaker 1: right now. I know.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, that was so uncomfortable for him to have to
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  Speaker 3: listen to. Well he knows ever anything was it?
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  Speaker 2: Travis? Like whatever, I've heard it all.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're big Travis fans. Tell us a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about how long you guys have been together, how you met.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a big Travis fan till we've been together for
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  Speaker 3: over six years. And it's actually funny because if you
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  Speaker 3: ask me versus if you asked Travis how we met,
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  Speaker 3: we actually have like two different stories.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little messed up.
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  Speaker 2: It is messed up.
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  Speaker 3: It's a little messy, John, Yes, it's a little messy
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  Speaker 3: if you touch yes, if you if you ask Travis,
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  Speaker 3: he deduces it down to I slid into his DMS, okay,
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  Speaker 3: which sounds horrifying and is so it makes me sound
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  Speaker 3: like I was out there just like sliding into creepy
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  Speaker 3: men's like DM like I would never do that. We
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  Speaker 3: had It was a woman actually, her name is Shay.
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  Speaker 3: She was doing my hair and meekup at the time
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  Speaker 3: on the show, and she her husband worked with Travis
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  Speaker 3: at the time, and she was like, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: know this one guy and he's going through this, he's divorced,
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  Speaker 3: he's going through this divorce whatever, and he's so sweet
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  Speaker 3: and he's so kind and he's like the best guy.
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  Speaker 3: And I looked at his picture and to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: like I didn't like love his in photographs. And I
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  Speaker 3: was like, but I loved there was something about him.
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  Speaker 3: It was literally how happy and how his face lit
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  Speaker 3: up when he was in pictures with his children, and
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  Speaker 3: I really liked that. And then I was split into
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  Speaker 3: his se yes like a little how I was like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, you gotta go for it.
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  Speaker 2: I had a friend who encouraged me.
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  Speaker 3: He encouraged me to do it, and he's like, he's
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  Speaker 3: so cute, he looks so nice, Just do it, slid
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  Speaker 3: in his DMS. We talked for like a while back
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  Speaker 3: and forth, and then we did end up going on
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  Speaker 3: a date, which I triple booked, and he was so
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  Speaker 3: good about what does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like I I to other to date and I not
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  Speaker 2: with dates. I'm not a time but two other things.
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  Speaker 3: It was like my best friend taught on his birthday
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  Speaker 3: and like one other thing that I was like a
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  Speaker 3: serial triple booker back in the day before I got
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  Speaker 3: myself organized and got together right, and he was very
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  Speaker 3: sweet about it. So we ended up having like an
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  Speaker 3: early bird special like five pm dinner at this like
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  Speaker 3: Italian place, and then I ended up It was actually
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  Speaker 3: really funny because we were having such an amazing time
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  Speaker 3: that I was like, why don't you just come with
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  Speaker 3: me to my best friend's birthday.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, it's going to be lots of.
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  Speaker 3: Couples, you know, it'll be totally cool, and he was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: And then we show up and none of the women
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  Speaker 3: my friends had their husbands with them, so he walked
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  Speaker 3: into like fifteen of my girlfriends on this first date
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  Speaker 3: like the lion's done.
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  Speaker 2: It was the best.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, if you could survive.
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  Speaker 2: That exactly, I was like, you're a keeper.
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  Speaker 1: Listen. My guess is that whether or not you slided,
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  Speaker 1: you slid into his DMS. I think he probably took
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  Speaker 1: one look at you. Well.
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  Speaker 3: To go back to that point too, what I realized
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  Speaker 3: is I didn't love him in his photos at the time,
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  Speaker 3: but in all honesty, I see that as like such
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  Speaker 3: a plus column now because he just didn't carry. He
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  Speaker 3: wasn't like a guy who was like love me to
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  Speaker 3: take a good picture, you know, and in person he's like,
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  Speaker 3: actually very handsome.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. It's interesting because my husband, my only requirement
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  Speaker 1: when I was young, in my twenties was that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to fit up. He has to be tall, period,
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  Speaker 1: that's it. I was like, well, you're even taller than
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  Speaker 1: I am. How tall are you? I'm fivey yeah, now
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  Speaker 1: I'm like five six. And but I like to break
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  Speaker 1: a strength she always talks about. I was like, has
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  Speaker 1: to be tall. I don't. He doesn't have to be rich,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't have to be gorgeous, he doesn't have to
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  Speaker 1: be he just has to be tall. And you can
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  Speaker 1: turn around and se Jeffes, there's five six. Well you
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  Speaker 1: know what he did. He does dify. But the point
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  Speaker 1: is right, like you just don't know. You have to
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  Speaker 1: feel it like you have to.
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  Speaker 3: You don't eat right, and there's always going to be
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  Speaker 3: things that you have to deal with exactly, and and
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  Speaker 3: that's so true to life. And when you fall in love,
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  Speaker 3: you fall hard, and that's it. But I will say
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  Speaker 3: my first thing out of my mouth when I Matt
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  Speaker 3: Travis was oh my god, you're still tall.
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  Speaker 2: So I did I checked that box. You did check
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  Speaker 2: that box.
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  Speaker 1: So being on Housewives puts obviously your relationship under a
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  Speaker 1: magnifying glass. So tell us about because it sounds like
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  Speaker 1: the show was helpful and did some good things in
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  Speaker 1: terms of your relationship with Travis. I so I'm just
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  Speaker 1: making that up.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, well, I don't know. I think that
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  Speaker 3: actually the thing that was happening. I'm just very honest
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  Speaker 3: about everything, right, So I will say I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if the show had like a direct effect on our relationship.
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  Speaker 3: What I appreciate about pre appreciate about the show is
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  Speaker 3: I think the show has accurately shown our relationship.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that you're so you know, that's all
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  Speaker 1: on you. That's great. I mean that you are so
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  Speaker 1: authentic and that you've been willing to oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I think I'm very happy about the fact that, like,
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  Speaker 3: when I look at it, it's not perfect, and we've
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  Speaker 3: obviously gone through some heavy things, but it's it's us
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  Speaker 3: and we're in it, and you can see that we
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  Speaker 3: love each other. And I think it shows the real
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  Speaker 3: relationship that we have and the connection that we have
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  Speaker 3: and the love that we have for each other. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm very happy. I'm happy that the show was able
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  Speaker 3: to also show like what a good person Trav is
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  Speaker 3: and like you know I and also like it's a
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  Speaker 3: little scary for the men cheaf, you know. So I
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  Speaker 3: was and I didn't. I didn't start my show with
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  Speaker 3: a husband, right like he he didn't. I was married,
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  Speaker 3: but he didn't participate, right. So I had never filmed
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  Speaker 3: with a guy before a period, and so I was
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  Speaker 3: that was like nerve wracking for me.
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  Speaker 1: I think that a lot of women, it's funny, like
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  Speaker 1: feel badly about their husband or their their partners participation
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  Speaker 1: on the show because they're dogged. Like even if somebody
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  Speaker 1: literally said that to me today that I ran into
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  Speaker 1: a housewife, that it's just hard for her partner because
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't get to defend himself, right, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: the women just go like off right. And it's just
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  Speaker 1: interesting because I feel like everyone was always rooting for traps,
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  Speaker 1: like when you guys broke up. I was a little
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  Speaker 1: sick about it.
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  Speaker 2: I know it was horrible.
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  Speaker 3: I was to.
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  Speaker 1: The way.
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  Speaker 3: It just was very unfortunate that that was really happening
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  Speaker 3: in our relationship, and it really was what I said,
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  Speaker 3: it was like there was a circumstance there that is
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  Speaker 3: very frightening to me. Yeah, and to you know, I
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  Speaker 3: have my kids around and everything, But ultimately, I the
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  Speaker 3: decision that I neede to not give up like our
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  Speaker 3: beautiful family and our beautiful life just because something scared me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy that I got to showcase that, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: happy that I'm happy that I got to deliver that
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  Speaker 3: message because I think that a lot of people do
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  Speaker 3: deal with similar circumstances and things that we've had to
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  Speaker 3: deal with, and I don't think the solution is giving up.
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  Speaker 1: I love everything about that. From my own personal experience,
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  Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. My husband and I were separated,
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  Speaker 1: got back together, and I couldn't be more grateful. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I think this is kind of interesting. I know
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  Speaker 1: that your viewers do too, but that you have such
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  Speaker 1: a nice relationship with your ex husband's she girlfriend or
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  Speaker 1: wife wife no wife? Yeah, I love that. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's so great.
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  Speaker 3: I do too, right, I love her. I love it
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  Speaker 3: was it hard to get there? No, I mean I
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  Speaker 3: would say that it wasn't. You know, just like any anything,
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  Speaker 3: when somebody first comes in the mix, you're like, who
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  Speaker 3: is this bitch you know hang with my kids exactly? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: you and you want to be defensive and you want
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  Speaker 3: to be protective, but I think that like when you
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  Speaker 3: really you love your children and you see that somebody
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  Speaker 3: is good to your children and they're also like good
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  Speaker 3: to you. Respect She was very respectful of me and
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  Speaker 3: she was very kind to my children, and I would
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  Speaker 3: have been an idiot to not have received that. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you. And there are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: women who just can't do it. Yeah, right, there's just
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  Speaker 1: too much water under the bridge. There's too much history,
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  Speaker 1: and they just resent and it's hard probably to picture
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  Speaker 1: any other woman, whether or not she's she could be
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  Speaker 1: you know, mother Teresa, but with your kids.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you did it, Yeah, it is. It's not easy.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like that was an easy thing for first.
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  Speaker 3: And there are things, you know, feelings of jealousy or
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  Speaker 3: insecurity or fear just I don't even know what it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like your instinctual like mind. Yeah, but like
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  Speaker 3: you know, I really think that we all need a
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  Speaker 3: very adult, mature, cognizant decision to you put our children
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  Speaker 3: truly first. And that's what we did at first. It
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  Speaker 3: was just put the kids first, because that's what you're
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  Speaker 3: supposed to do. And then with time we really developed,
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  Speaker 3: like a very lovely said, I could see them as yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and she's there for me and she she's now now
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  Speaker 3: we're protective of each other, you know. So it is
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  Speaker 3: and like, honestly, if that's a message I could put
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  Speaker 3: out because I understand there's a lot of women who
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  Speaker 3: can't do it, but it's like, do it because it's
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  Speaker 3: better for you.
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  Speaker 1: That's the whole thing, right, Like having that it frees
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  Speaker 1: you up not to have letting go of the you're carrying,
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  Speaker 1: Like you become like a team.
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  Speaker 2: I think it looks like totally, we're totally a team.
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  Speaker 3: Love it and you pick and you're just picking up
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  Speaker 3: each other slack, and then you're all able to do
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  Speaker 3: so much more and you're able to be there for
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  Speaker 3: the kids in such a lovely way. And like my
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  Speaker 3: kids don't know, they just know that they have four
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  Speaker 3: parents that are on board and love them, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a little thing. Yeah. Do you feel like
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  Speaker 1: it also helped your relationship with Matt?
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  Speaker 2: I think so.
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  Speaker 3: I think that I give a lot of credit to
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  Speaker 3: me and Matt being able to have a healthy relationship
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  Speaker 3: to Travis and Britt because they were.
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  Speaker 1: Both Oh so, Matt and Travis are friendly.
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  Speaker 3: They're friendly, of course, Yes, everybody's friendly and as it
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  Speaker 3: should be. And any time, you know, when early on,
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  Speaker 3: when anything that Matt would do, I won't want to
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  Speaker 3: be like, what the fuck is he doing?
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Travis would always be like, I understand that you feel
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: that way, but you got to put the kids first.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: He had just a very mature way of always making
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: me do the right thing and encouraging like good communication
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: between Matt and I.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: And I do believe that Britt was doing the same thing.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Becoming a little attracted to Travis as this goes on.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: Finding him very he is He's very sexy.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: I'm very sexy anyway.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, But like for anyone who you think might be
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: starting like communicating with their ex, you know, like, are
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: there tips for you in terms of like from you,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: like did you connect a lot first email? Or are
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: there you know, did you use any of those apps? Ure?
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: There was a time at the beginning when you know,
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: things were very not good between me and my ex
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: where we would only communicate on like the court ordered, right,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: yea ver right, and you should do that because what
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: it does is it prevents you from taking the shot
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: that you want to take, because taking the shot just
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: makes the waters muddy, or it's you take the shot,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: you're also taking one step further back from where the
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: goal line is.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: And you have to be with this person.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: You have a relationship with this person, whether you're married
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: or not, for the rest of your life.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Right, what do you want that to look like?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: And that that's truly how I feel. It's like, do
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: you want that to look messy and ugly and difficult
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: your entire life? Because that person's not going anywhere, It's
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: not even like when they're after they're legal, then you
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: have weddings, and then you have they have babies. Of course,
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: don't you all want to be in the room together
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: and celebrate and have fun and not let that take
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: the air out of the room, you know.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a little older than you, so I
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: will just say, I'm very proud of you, thank you,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: well done, thank you. I'm sure I hope you're very
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: proud of yourself, because it's not easy.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I am proud of it.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: I am very I'm very proud of what the work
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: that I think we've all put into it. Yeah, and
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: we truly are like a team. And I like to
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: talk about it because I mean, I had one of
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: the worst divorces you could have, right, and so if
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: I could do it, other people could do it.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: It's so inspiring. But you get a lot of people
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: sliding into your DMS about the whole time parents.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, for sure, but I will say that I do
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: understand because I never want to be like soap boxy.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I do understand that there are a lot of circumstances,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: of course, that you cannot because everybody has to be
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: on board, and everybody has to be willing to and
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: open to make this work. And if somebody is responsible
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: and to.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Listen, right, and I agree with you that our cases
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: where it's just not happened. Yeah all right, Well, miss Gina,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming and talking about your
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: co parenting and talking about sweet Travis. We loved having
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you here. Let's go have some fun.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, and yeah take a billion pictures.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: We are going to take it, starting with me and you.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: But just to remind our listeners, you can find love again.
• 18:26
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• 18:29
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• 18:31
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• 18:34
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• 18:37
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• 18:39
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• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Thanks Jen,