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Credlin | 26 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kremlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Look, I love my own show. You'd expect me to
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Speaker 2: say that, But tell you what, I love that segment
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Speaker 2: on Kenny on Thursdays. Good evening and welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on the Kreblin program tonight. The
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Speaker 2: sitting week ends with labour attempting to gaslight the whole
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Speaker 2: nation into believe me, there's no fuel crisis. All the
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Speaker 2: while premiers are risk acting unilaterally like that in COVID
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Speaker 2: because they're not getting enough support from the federal government.
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Speaker 2: Revelations at the government was worn four years ago to
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Speaker 2: enact a fuel security plan. So did they, Well, obviously no.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak with one of the people tonight who urged
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Speaker 2: them to act. It says, crisis now cascades through supply
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Speaker 2: chains across multiple industries. Plus how terror group Islamic State
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Speaker 2: ramped up their messaging to capitalize on the war in
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Speaker 2: the Middle East, with researchers drawing a link between this
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Speaker 2: and the Bondai tear attack. And will they or won't they?
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Speaker 2: That's the question as the push for negotiations to when the.
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Speaker 3: War ramped up and they are negotiating by the way,
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Speaker 3: and they want to make it deal so badly, but
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Speaker 3: they're afraid to say it.
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Speaker 2: First fuel again, because it's been yet another day of
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Speaker 2: anxiety and confusion about fuel cost and availability without any
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Speaker 2: serious leadership from our national government. Something my former boss
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott underscored today out campaigning in support of the
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Speaker 2: Coalition in the by election seat of Farah.
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Speaker 3: Whenever there's a crisis, whether it was the Bondai massacre,
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Speaker 3: whether it's the current Iran war, the Prime Minister goes missing. Oh,
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Speaker 3: it's frankly been culpably negligent, particularly of the Albanese government,
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Speaker 3: not to have got more fuel on shore. The Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister has been in hiding for the last few weeks.
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Speaker 3: There's been no national leadership. He thinks that having a
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Speaker 3: meeting is somehow making a difference.
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Speaker 4: Well wrong.
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Speaker 2: They are culpable, aren't they. Tony Abbott asleep at the wheel,
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Speaker 2: determined to shift blame from Chris Bowen's lack of preparedness
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Speaker 2: for this fuel crisis to your panic buying at the Bowser,
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Speaker 2: because so says labor, this is all your fault, not theirs.
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Speaker 5: Apply chain has struggled when demand doubla, and that has
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Speaker 5: always been the case.
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Speaker 6: Some of it has been panic buying, some of it
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Speaker 6: has been people getting ahead of price rises. Some of
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Speaker 6: it has been farmers stocking up, which is fair enough.
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Speaker 6: There is no need to rush to the service station
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Speaker 6: and fill up. I do understand people's concerns, but it's
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Speaker 6: important that people know we do have a good stock
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Speaker 6: of petrol in reserve. There is no need for panic buying,
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Speaker 6: but will just make the situation worse.
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Speaker 2: People around the country are stocking out because they don't
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Speaker 2: trust labor. They certainly don't trust Chris's Boeing, and as
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Speaker 2: a result, we've got now five hundred service stations tonight,
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Speaker 2: about ten percent of our national supply already out of
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Speaker 2: some all fuels. Up to thirty percent of farmers say
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Speaker 2: they won't plant or they won't even harvest their crops
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Speaker 2: because they don't have a fuel, or because fuel costs
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Speaker 2: make transport uneconomic.
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Speaker 7: I'm having to delay or postpone staff, and you know
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Speaker 7: that hurts the most, especially we have such a great relationship,
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Speaker 7: and that, to me, that's the worst We've had to
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Speaker 7: postpone some of the works because we just can't. You know,
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Speaker 7: it just economically doesn't add up to keep those machines going.
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Speaker 2: So Australia Posts too, they've already whacked on a five
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Speaker 2: point two percent fuel search surcharge that'll go up to
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Speaker 2: twelve percent in April. Airlines they're already hiking their ticket
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Speaker 2: prices to ridiculous levels and now the disruptions are Coming's
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Speaker 2: start canceling some ten percent of their flights because of
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Speaker 2: rising fuel costs. And this is all happening because fossil
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Speaker 2: fuels are essential to modern life, because fuel prices impact
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Speaker 2: every other price, because fuel is an input input cost
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Speaker 2: across almost every aspect of the Australian economy. When we
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Speaker 2: get a rapid hike in fuel prices, it cascades through
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Speaker 2: the economy, and a squeeze on fuel availability sends shock
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Speaker 2: waves through almost every business, almost every business and almost
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Speaker 2: every household. But I'm not telling you anything you don't
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Speaker 2: already know. And you don't need to run out of fuel.
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Speaker 2: Do you to start worrying about not having it? Should
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Speaker 2: you need it?
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Speaker 8: I had to drive my kids to their sports carnival
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Speaker 8: today and I was just panicking seeing, you know, driving
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Speaker 8: past five different fuel stations. There's no fuel thinking or
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Speaker 8: what do I do? I mean, if you know there's
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Speaker 8: no fuel, what if my kids skip stick and I
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Speaker 8: can't pick them up and I've got no family help.
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Speaker 8: I do everything on my own. And I'm sitting here
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Speaker 8: every day thinking, when is our BENIVII going to announce
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Speaker 8: I'm going to cut the fuel excise. I'm going to
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Speaker 8: somehow really do something for all of us.
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Speaker 2: The essential problem is that for years now I've had
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Speaker 2: here in Australia only about a month's supply of liquid
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Speaker 2: fuels on shore, and not the ninety days required by
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Speaker 2: the International Energy Agency precisely to cope with oil shocks
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Speaker 2: like this. Up until the pandemic, the whole just in
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Speaker 2: time global supply chain it was working well, and I
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Speaker 2: guess the arguing about fuel stocks then was academic. But
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Speaker 2: after the pandemic exposed just how fragile supply chains are
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Speaker 2: in a crisis, Continuing to rely on short term fuel
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Speaker 2: supplies from overseas became culpably negligent. Use the former Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister's phrase from today, and unsurprisingly, a government that thinks
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Speaker 2: fossil fuels are destroying the planet and that there's some
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Speaker 2: unstoppable green energy transition underway, took no extra precautions to
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Speaker 2: guarantee Australius fuel security, even though we are still ninety
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Speaker 2: percent fossil fuel depended for Australia's total energy needs. Hence
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Speaker 2: the mixed messages from government about exactly what's happening. First,
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Speaker 2: nothing to worry about, nothing to see here, they said.
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Speaker 2: Then it was a crisis, but the government was fixing it.
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Speaker 2: Then it was a matter for the states. Well now
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Speaker 2: it's the opposition's fault, not just yours for using fuel,
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Speaker 2: but the opposition's fault for playing politics to.
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Speaker 5: Action by government and industry working together. None of them
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Speaker 5: suggested by the Opposition haven't made a constructive suggestion all through.
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Speaker 5: The only contribution of the Landing the Opposition has been
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Speaker 5: a mislead about exports. The only contribution of the Member
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Speaker 5: for Lindsay has been to mislead the House about a
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Speaker 5: statement by the Premier of New South Wales yesterday. And
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Speaker 5: the only contribution the Member for One is to insult
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Speaker 5: specific leader's Mister Speaker.
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Speaker 2: The basic failure has been in the government's inability to
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Speaker 2: take any meaningful action to address the problem, other than
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Speaker 2: to make statements and convene meetings today and out and
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Speaker 2: seeing another national cabinet for Monday. Now, Membo, earth's a
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Speaker 2: government having a meeting isn't a solution, it's a photowhop.
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Speaker 2: It's yet more performative politics from a labor government that's
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Speaker 2: far better at striking a pose and fixing anything. Now,
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Speaker 2: I accept there's only so much the government can do
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Speaker 2: to secure supply supply, and it seems that there are
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Speaker 2: tankers now coming to replace the tankers that were canceled.
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Speaker 2: But government can do something about price. Every time you
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Speaker 2: go to the bowser, you pay fifty three cents a
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Speaker 2: leader in excise to the federal government. Then you pay
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Speaker 2: GST on the total price including the excise, So that's
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Speaker 2: a tax on a tax. Three dollars a leader, for instance,
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Speaker 2: twenty seven percent or seventy nine cents of that per
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Speaker 2: liter cost is going straight to Canberra to the Albanezi government.
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Speaker 2: And the higher the price of fuel goes thanks to
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Speaker 2: the GSD, the bigger the windfall for the government's gains. Now,
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Speaker 2: meaning your bowser pain will be what Jim Chalmers is
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Speaker 2: going to use in the May budget to claim good
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Speaker 2: economic management. That's the real reason. That is the real
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Speaker 2: reason Labor don't want to cut the excise right now.
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Speaker 2: They know their budgets in strife, so they're going to
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Speaker 2: use this crisis and the higher and higher fuel taxes
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Speaker 2: that we're all paying to try and plug the holes
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Speaker 2: made worse by their excess spending. So while he can't
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Speaker 2: by himself stop the war in Iran now, the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister can and should do two things immediately. First, it
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Speaker 2: should commit to getting ninety days liquid fuels on shore
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Speaker 2: as soon as the current crisis eases, and start building
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Speaker 2: building now, not down the track, building now the storage
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Speaker 2: centers needed to hold it. Second, he should have the
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Speaker 2: excise at least until the global oil price per barrel
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Speaker 2: drops below eighty dollars. That way, the federal government would
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Speaker 2: be responding to our pain rather than taking advantage of it.
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Speaker 2: But he's betting he'll do neither. He won't cut the
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Speaker 2: excise because Jim Chalmers is desperate for the tax windfall
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Speaker 2: to make his bad budget look better, and he won't
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Speaker 2: commit to a proper fuel reserve because he's too scared
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Speaker 2: to upset the Greens. As the Bondai massacres showed us,
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Speaker 2: this is a prime minister that doesn't rise to the Channel. Yes,
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Speaker 2: he is absolutely paralyzed by them. And look, I want
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Speaker 2: to circle back to that EU trade deal that's been
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Speaker 2: widely panned is the worst trade deal Australia has ever done.
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Speaker 9: An EU free trade agreement, which is not good for industry.
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Speaker 10: It's a very disappointing day for agriculture generally.
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Speaker 4: It really does foreshore as a kick in the guards.
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Speaker 11: Or he never saw really any opportunity because the EU
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Speaker 11: just give teams of billions to their agricultural sector every year.
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Speaker 2: It seems that the government was so desperate for a deal,
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Speaker 2: any deal, that it's done a deal for Australia that's
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Speaker 2: far worse than the one New Zealand got three years ago,
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Speaker 2: despite what should have been our greater weight in the world.
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Speaker 2: Here's Matt Canavan on the program last night on the
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Speaker 2: dud deal in relation to cheese, totally one, so guided
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Speaker 2: as it was to the EU.
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Speaker 4: And what the government's done with this agreement.
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Speaker 1: I think they may not even realize it, to be honest,
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Speaker 1: they don't seem to be across this detail that they
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Speaker 1: remove that tariff, throwing our cheese industry to the wolves.
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Speaker 2: Let's look at some of the other comparative figures here.
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Speaker 2: In our deal, Australia gets to export to Europe thirty
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Speaker 2: five thousand ton of beef, phased in over seven years. Well,
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Speaker 2: in the Kiwi's deal they got the thirty eight thousand
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Speaker 2: tons straight away. We get to export some twenty five
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Speaker 2: ton of sheep beet to Europe, phased in again over
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Speaker 2: seven years. Well, the Kiwi's got one hundred and sixty
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Speaker 2: four thousand ton, a long way off ours. And sure
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Speaker 2: some ninety eight percent of our exports will eventually be
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Speaker 2: duty free. But what's the point of losing the tariffs
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Speaker 2: if there's still a quota on how much you can send?
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Speaker 2: Or if farmers, as we saw last night in relation
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Speaker 2: to dairy if farmers in the EU remain subsidized by
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Speaker 2: thirty percent that's how much of their income comes from government,
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Speaker 2: and our farmers are on zero. That's hardly a level
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Speaker 2: playing field for these supposed free trade deals. Then there's
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Speaker 2: the entrenchment of the parish division's targets as enforcible with
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Speaker 2: sanctions in this deal, sanctions that Chris Bowen denied were
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Speaker 2: there only to be proved wrong by the government's own documents.
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Speaker 2: I reckon the big mistake here was inviting the EU
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Speaker 2: President to Australia because once she was in the country
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Speaker 2: we had to do a deal on the EU's terms
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Speaker 2: or be embarrassed risk her perhaps counseling on us. So
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Speaker 2: in order for the Prime Minister to get a nice
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Speaker 2: pattern the back in the Parliament from a little known
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Speaker 2: European functionary, our farmers in Australia have been given a
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Speaker 2: worse deal than a little old New Zealand. And this
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Speaker 2: just shows how far we've shrunk in the world under
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Speaker 2: this weak prime minister. Yet again, as I said, the
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Speaker 2: Parliament wrapped up in Cambridge today, let's go there now
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Speaker 2: for the headlines. Sky News political reporter Rubin.
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Speaker 12: Sparko Anthony Albernezi claims the government is prepared in the
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Speaker 12: face of oil price spikes and fuel shortages. National Cabinet
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Speaker 12: will meet on Monday to plan broader responses. The government's
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Speaker 12: preference is for voluntary measures or recommendations rather than COVID
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Speaker 12: style mandates.
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Speaker 5: We're prepared so we can shield a strange from the
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Speaker 5: worst of global uncertainty.
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Speaker 12: One nation is pushing to fast track. The response should.
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Speaker 3: Be brave enough to say to the Australian people, look
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Speaker 3: you're not going to like this, but you're going to
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Speaker 3: appreciate A plan is better than panic, and panic is
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Speaker 3: where we're going.
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Speaker 12: More than six hundred service stations across Australia are affected
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Speaker 12: by the fuel crisis. According to the Energy Minister's Office,
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Speaker 12: millions of low income workers could soon receive a pay rise.
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Speaker 12: A government's submission to the annual Way to Review backs
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Speaker 12: an increase above inflation for those on award and minimum wages.
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Speaker 13: They deserve an economically sustainable real wage increase.
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Speaker 12: Business groups worn it could add to the pressure in
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Speaker 12: the middle of a crisis. Tony Abbott has made a
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Speaker 12: return to the campaign trail as the race to replace
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Speaker 12: Susan Lee in the seat of Farah intensifies. The former
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Speaker 12: Prime Minister joined to Liberal candidate race of Berkowski, meeting
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Speaker 12: Aubrey residents and business owners, hearing water management and fuel
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Speaker 12: price concerns.
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Speaker 3: Whenever there's a crisis, whether it was the Bondai massacre,
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Speaker 3: whether it's the current Iran war, the Prime Minister goes missing.
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Speaker 12: The Main nine by election will be the first major
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Speaker 12: test for Angus Taylor and Matt Canavan as coalition leaders.
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Speaker 2: Right there's a headlines of state though with the fuel crisis.
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Speaker 2: You can see on screen now the ltatest petrol station
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Speaker 2: outages with this dominating of course. Sitting week for the
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Speaker 2: past four days in Canberra, JOHNYMANOWSKTI is tribute Carollo Kats
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Speaker 2: and Barnas and the Deputy Executive Director at the IPA,
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Speaker 2: Dan Wild. Dan I mentioned just their National Cabinet meets
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Speaker 2: on Monday. They'll also be a meeting of the Energy
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Speaker 2: ministers as well. It's hope Bowen turns up this time.
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Speaker 2: He skipped it for one of his un Climate meetings
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Speaker 2: a week or so ago. I made the point of
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Speaker 2: the idiotorial too, the government should cut the fuel excise. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is the tax. We call it an excise because
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Speaker 2: of the way it's structured, but it's a tax. It's
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Speaker 2: a tax we will pay on petrol or diesel diesel.
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Speaker 2: But you and I know why they're not going to
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Speaker 2: do this, not in the short term anyway, because they
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Speaker 2: are raking in billions and billions and billions and they're
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Speaker 2: going to use this money to mask all the underlying
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Speaker 2: problem in the May budget.
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Speaker 1: Well, I fear that you're right, Peter. The instinct of
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Speaker 1: this government has been to engage in political responses rather
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Speaker 1: than economical social ones. So we saw that with Bon Dai,
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Speaker 1: where it was all political rather than trying to actually
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Speaker 1: fix the problem that we have. And again here we
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Speaker 1: see it they're scrambling for a political response rather than
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Speaker 1: an economic one.
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Speaker 2: You're exactly right in the short term.
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Speaker 1: Cut, the excise cut, the GST until the price of
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Speaker 1: oil normalizers. We also need to understand that this is
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to fix the fundamental, long term problems.
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Speaker 14: That we have.
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Speaker 1: How did we allow ourselves as a country to get
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Speaker 1: into this situation where we have tons and tons of
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Speaker 1: oil that we can use, yet we only have two
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Speaker 1: oil refineries left in this country. We now import over
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Speaker 1: eighty percent of our liquid fuels in a country like Australia.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a catastrophic failure of political leadership
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Speaker 1: for many years now, and a lot of it can
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Speaker 1: be traced back to the ideology of net zero and
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Speaker 1: the green madness that we're not going to produce these
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Speaker 1: things at home, We're not going to have an industrial capacity,
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Speaker 1: We're going to export all of that overseas well. Now,
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Speaker 1: look at us, we're in a situation where we're facing
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Speaker 1: the shortage of oil, which is going to cripple transport,
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Speaker 1: cripple the food industry. It flows right through the economy,
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Speaker 1: as you mentioned. So look, the only silver lining from
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Speaker 1: this is if our political leaders wake up and understand that,
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Speaker 1: you know, we've got to fix this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought, Dan, I'll stay with you if
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Speaker 2: I can, just quickly. I thought after COVID, we all
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Speaker 2: vowed and declared would never get ourselves into that situation again.
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Speaker 2: We had no toilet paper. We had at one company
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Speaker 2: left in Victoria, sorry in Australia, but based in Victoria
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Speaker 2: that made face masks. We had to send the army
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Speaker 2: in to help the man the sewing machines, for God's sake.
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Speaker 2: And we said we would never ever ever be so
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Speaker 2: supply chain vulnerable. Ever. Again, everyone said that right across
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Speaker 2: the political spectrum, and here we are, what four or
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Speaker 2: five years later, and we are far worse off than
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Speaker 2: we were even in COVID.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's a very good point, and I think it
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Speaker 1: gets to a couple of issues. One is that there
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Speaker 1: has not been a reconsideration of how to run an
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Speaker 1: economy in the year twenty twenty six. Yes, the globalization
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Speaker 1: and free trade was very beneficial to Australia. However, we've
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Speaker 1: got to recognize that if we don't have sovereign capability
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Speaker 1: needs to produce the basic things that we're going to
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Speaker 1: have a lot of problems. The other thing that's changed
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Speaker 1: a lot over the last say decade or so is
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Speaker 1: the geopolitical environment. You know, we're far to relying on
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Speaker 1: countries such as China and that is putting us only
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Speaker 1: economically at risk, but it's a national security risk. So
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Speaker 1: you're right to point that out. But unfortunately the political
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Speaker 1: leaders just haven't got the message, Caroly.
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Speaker 2: They're saying there'll be no rationing. There no rationing, you're
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Speaker 2: just panic buying. That's the only reason there's these shortages.
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Speaker 2: I tell you what, come Easter. On the other side
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Speaker 2: of Easter, they will bring in rahting. They just don't
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Speaker 2: want to be blamed. Labor does not want to be
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Speaker 2: blamed for canceling everybody's sort of easter plans. And we
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Speaker 2: can already see we've got a twelve percent hike on
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Speaker 2: everything to do with Oslie post come next month.
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Speaker 9: Well, Peter, and good evening, Daniel as well. The problem
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Speaker 9: is this National Emergency Cabinet meeting being held on Monday.
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Speaker 9: It's Thursday night.
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Speaker 15: Have they heard of a phone? Have they heard of zoom?
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Speaker 15: Have they heard of teams? Why are they waiting until Monday?
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Speaker 9: The problem is the Australian public does not have confidence
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Speaker 9: in them, which is why people are resorting to panic
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Speaker 9: buying filling up tanks. A couple of weeks ago, Chris
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Speaker 9: Bowen said there won't be a problem, We've got plenty.
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Speaker 15: Then he's changed it about a week ago.
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Speaker 9: He didn't really seem to know the difference between diesel
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Speaker 9: and petrol and what it was needed for in the
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Speaker 9: regional areas. The thing is, this is the second National
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Speaker 9: Emergency Cabinet meeting. What is the Fuel Zar for want
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Speaker 9: of a better word, I think that's what she's called, ANTHONYA.
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Speaker 2: Harris?
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Speaker 15: What's she doing? The thing is it feeds into all
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Speaker 15: this green ideology. It's not in their interest to do it.
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Speaker 9: None of them are paying for petrol or diesel and
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Speaker 9: it's just a talk fest. This needs action now because
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Speaker 9: we're up to about six hundred petrol stations service stations
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Speaker 9: across Australia out of fuel.
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Speaker 15: What are the numbers going to be on Monday and
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Speaker 15: what is the price going to be.
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Speaker 9: I mean the highest in New South Wales this afternoon
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Speaker 9: was a small town called Tulibook, which was up to
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Speaker 9: three dollars twenty nine point nine per liter in Teraugen
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Speaker 9: and Victoria in the Latrobe Valley three dollars forty per liter.
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Speaker 9: What is it actually going to get to? People do
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Speaker 9: not have the confidence in Anthony Albanzi or Chris Bowen
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Speaker 9: to actually come up with a plan. I don't care
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Speaker 9: if it's a national plan or a states based plan.
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Speaker 9: There needs to be a plan and it's not that difficult.
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Speaker 9: What we haven't heard from Anthony Anthea Harris at all.
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Speaker 9: She's meant to be fixing this. The numbers are flowing in.
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Speaker 9: And also can I just point people are already canceling
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Speaker 9: holidays to regional areas. Regional tourism operators are going to
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Speaker 9: be smashed. It's already been recommended that restauranteurs are going
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Speaker 9: to have to put a five percent surcharge on bills
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Speaker 9: to try and make ends meet. Monday is not good
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Speaker 9: enough for this national Emergency Cabinet meeting. I'd suggest tonight
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Speaker 9: is the time that it needs to be done.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to get emails from our view
20:59
Speaker 2: as people that are pregnant and they're you know, weeks
21:02
Speaker 2: away from giving birth. They're worried about you know, water
21:05
Speaker 2: breaking in the middle of the night, not being able
21:07
Speaker 2: to get to hospital promptly. I've got other people contacting me,
21:10
Speaker 2: regional people that require chemo treatment not delivered in their town.
21:15
Speaker 2: They've got to drive for it. They've got enough fuel
21:17
Speaker 2: maybe to get there, they're not confident of having enough
21:19
Speaker 2: fuel to get home. I mean, it's gone beyond the
21:22
Speaker 2: nice to do is like a holiday of catching up
21:24
Speaker 2: with your mates, to basically life and death for a
21:26
Speaker 2: lot of Australians. And I think that's what's not being
21:29
Speaker 2: understood in Canberra down. I want to go to one nation.
21:33
Speaker 2: I've written in The Australian today and it's a plea
21:36
Speaker 2: really to the Liberal Party, to the National Party, stop
21:39
Speaker 2: sneering at one nation, reach out and embrace one nation,
21:45
Speaker 2: reach out to one nation supporter, stop demonizing them because
21:48
Speaker 2: they are your people. They are your people who feel
21:51
Speaker 2: that you have left them. You have left them. They
21:54
Speaker 2: haven't left you. You have left them and you haven't
21:56
Speaker 2: done enough. And I know Angus Taylor and Matt Canavan
21:59
Speaker 2: our best to turn this around Paul and Hansen. Though
22:03
Speaker 2: she's put a hand out, she said she will help
22:06
Speaker 2: use her numbers to support the coalition at the next election.
22:10
Speaker 2: And Tony Abbatt touched on this today when he was
22:12
Speaker 2: out campaigning in Pharah. Have a listen and look just
22:15
Speaker 2: on the.
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Speaker 3: Subject of One Nation. I can understand why people are
22:20
Speaker 3: giving them a look. But if you want a better government,
22:25
Speaker 3: the only way to get a better government is through
22:28
Speaker 3: a strong Liberal National coalition.
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Speaker 2: And I'll say again a lot of the One Nation
22:34
Speaker 2: supporter has left the coalition when that bloke got rolled
22:38
Speaker 2: by Malcolm Turnbull.
22:42
Speaker 4: Well you're not wrong, Peter.
22:44
Speaker 1: I think though that a lot of Australians are now
22:48
Speaker 1: of the view that they want to give One Nation
22:50
Speaker 1: a go. We saw that in the South Australian election,
22:54
Speaker 1: and that election will have national reverberations because One Nation
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Speaker 1: completely Pole lacks the Liberal Party in the outer suburbs,
23:01
Speaker 1: but they also took away a heck of a lot
23:04
Speaker 1: of Labour's working class vote. I mean, you look at
23:06
Speaker 1: some of those seats in the outer suburbs. They're getting
23:09
Speaker 1: six seven eight percent two pp swings against the Labor Party.
23:13
Speaker 1: One seat called LFE in the outer Northern Suburbs went
23:16
Speaker 1: from a seventy thirty Labor seat against the Liberals, it's
23:19
Speaker 1: now on fifty two to forty eight Labor one nation
23:22
Speaker 1: now that I think about seventy percent of the vot's
23:24
Speaker 1: been counted, So I don't know where it's going to
23:26
Speaker 1: end up, but these are numbers we've never seen before.
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Speaker 1: This will happen in Victoria, and it's going to happen
23:31
Speaker 1: at the New South Wales election as well. So I
23:33
Speaker 1: think that those in the Liberal Party and National parties
23:36
Speaker 1: need to understand the depth of anger and frustration that
23:41
Speaker 1: working class Australians have towards the political system. They are
23:44
Speaker 1: well and truly fed up with the way that they
23:46
Speaker 1: have been ignored and treated over the last decade or so. Yes,
23:51
Speaker 1: they may come back to the Liberal Party, but it's
23:53
Speaker 1: going to take a lot more than just policies. It's
23:55
Speaker 1: going to take a significant and urgent change of direction.
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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get that, maybe we won't. But this is
24:02
Speaker 1: a real deep crisis that's facing the center right on
24:05
Speaker 1: politics now.
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Speaker 2: And you're not wrong about Labor because I think they
24:10
Speaker 2: understand they're not at risk of losing to the Liberals
24:13
Speaker 2: in Victoria. They're not spooked yet by the Liberals. They're
24:16
Speaker 2: spooked by one nation and the growth in the one
24:18
Speaker 2: nation voting Carallie. Of course there's the talk of rolling
24:22
Speaker 2: just into Alan's not gone away, a lot of chattering
24:25
Speaker 2: their herald Sunsday that they even be prepared to have
24:28
Speaker 2: a Royal commission into all the sort of big build
24:31
Speaker 2: corruption scandals, and that they would throw her and Dan
24:36
Speaker 2: Andrews under a bus to get away from this issue,
24:39
Speaker 2: to get some clean air. They think they can still
24:42
Speaker 2: win it, but they have to deal with the problem
24:45
Speaker 2: that is just into Alan.
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Speaker 9: Well, it is, I mean, she is tainted with the
24:51
Speaker 9: alleged fifteen billion dollars of corruption of Victorian tax payers,
24:55
Speaker 9: money that has gone into the pockets of buy kis
24:57
Speaker 9: and criminals by build the numbers to crunch Victorians. It's
25:00
Speaker 9: about five thousand dollars per each Victorian.
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Speaker 15: She's tainted with it.
25:05
Speaker 9: She was the Minister responsible for infrastructure for the Commonwealth Game.
25:08
Speaker 9: She was Dan Andrews's sidekick.
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Speaker 15: She was put there. Ben Carroll, well, he isn't tainted
25:14
Speaker 15: with that.
25:14
Speaker 9: But the thing is privately, I believe Ben Carroll is
25:17
Speaker 9: in favor of holding a Royal Commission justinto Allen isn't
25:21
Speaker 9: but it is interesting to see what will end up happening.
25:23
Speaker 9: The bottom line is there's been far too much murking,
25:26
Speaker 9: nefarious stuff going on and Victorians have had enough.
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Speaker 15: They'll have their say in the last Saturday of November.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the lives are doing well fifty two forty eight.
25:36
Speaker 2: But I'll make this point. Sixteen seats have got to
25:39
Speaker 2: get They don't get sixteen seats on a fifty two
25:42
Speaker 2: forty eight. It's going to move much much more than that.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there. Thank you to you both. Now.
25:46
Speaker 2: In another sign the government's been sleepwalking into the fuel crisis,
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Speaker 2: four years ago, a group of eight food industry organizations
25:54
Speaker 2: love with the federal government to urgently develop a national
25:57
Speaker 2: food security strategy. Would have included contingencies had we found
26:03
Speaker 2: ourselves in a fuel crisis, which low and behold we're
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Speaker 2: in now. But regrettably the ubin easy government turned a
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Speaker 2: blind eye to this plea and there are our serious
26:13
Speaker 2: concerns about our food supply chain as a result. Joining
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Speaker 2: me now one of the people who was lobbying hard
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Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty two for some sense out of
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Speaker 2: Canberra is Richard Forbes from the Independent Food Distributors Australia. Richard,
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Speaker 2: welcome to the program. I will give the government credit here.
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Speaker 2: Last year they did say they would move on and
26:37
Speaker 2: develop some sort of strategy, but they'd do it over
26:39
Speaker 2: a two year time frame, which now, of course is
26:43
Speaker 2: too little, too late. We don't have a plan, and
26:46
Speaker 2: that much is pretty obvious, isn't it.
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Speaker 10: Well, the world's changed a lot in the last five
26:53
Speaker 10: or ten years, and that's why the food sector came
26:55
Speaker 10: together in a quite unprecedented way to lob government and
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Speaker 10: say the world has changed and you need to keep
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Speaker 10: the community safe and you need to keep them fed.
27:07
Speaker 10: And what that means is that you need to improve
27:09
Speaker 10: sovereign capability. We need to be more self sufficient on
27:14
Speaker 10: critical inputs like fuel and like fertilizer. So a two
27:19
Speaker 10: year time frame with resources financial resources of three million
27:24
Speaker 10: dollars is not what we would call an urgent food
27:28
Speaker 10: security I mean in the corporate sector, Peter, you go
27:32
Speaker 10: away for two years and you map out a three
27:35
Speaker 10: year strategy that includes de risking a business. We're talking
27:40
Speaker 10: about de risking the supply chain and doing it really
27:43
Speaker 10: really quickly. So a two year time frame is not urgent.
27:48
Speaker 10: I don't think the government does urgency well and I
27:52
Speaker 10: don't think they understand what a risk mitigation strategy is
27:57
Speaker 10: all about, and that is planning for the inevitable. Now,
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Speaker 10: the Minister for Agriculture, Julie Collins said last week you
28:05
Speaker 10: can't predict a war, Well, you can plan for any
28:10
Speaker 10: geo political escalation.
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Speaker 4: And that's exactly what's happened.
28:15
Speaker 10: So a food security strategy is about saying, well, what
28:19
Speaker 10: happens if what happens if we have a shortage of
28:22
Speaker 10: fuel or a catastrophic weather event.
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Speaker 4: So that's what we were on about.
28:28
Speaker 2: Well a spot on. I mean, you can't predict when
28:30
Speaker 2: the war is going to happen and what countries might
28:33
Speaker 2: be involved, but you can look at history predict there
28:37
Speaker 2: could be a war, there could be a pandemic, there
28:39
Speaker 2: could be any other sort of massive natural disaster, let's say,
28:44
Speaker 2: disruptive event. How do you respond when that happens. Look,
28:49
Speaker 2: you operate in the real world. We've listened to Canberra
28:52
Speaker 2: all week. Tell us what the people you represent are
28:56
Speaker 2: saying about the impact on the ground now and what's
28:59
Speaker 2: like they come for consumers In relation to the fuel crisis.
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Speaker 10: Well, I represent the food distribution the sector, and in
29:08
Speaker 10: many ways, I don't think people do know what's coming.
29:11
Speaker 10: The farmers are talking about increased costs we buy from
29:14
Speaker 10: food manufacturers as part of the food supply chain. I've
29:19
Speaker 10: heard members that are being charged forty seven percent increase
29:23
Speaker 10: in fuel levy. Now what happens is that that will
29:26
Speaker 10: flow from manufacturers to distributors, to retailers, and then it
29:31
Speaker 10: will hit consumers hip pocket. So I think in the
29:35
Speaker 10: next four to eight weeks we're going to see quite
29:38
Speaker 10: marked increases in the price of food right across the board.
29:42
Speaker 10: I don't think this is going to be over in weeks.
29:44
Speaker 10: I think it's going to be months, possibly longer.
29:48
Speaker 2: Just quickly, Richard, If you're talking about a forty seven
29:51
Speaker 2: percent hike to some of these players, does that correlate
29:54
Speaker 2: that we'll get a forty seven percent hit to you know,
29:58
Speaker 2: boxing for a and detergent or a packet of chips
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Speaker 2: at the register for us?
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Speaker 4: Not necessarily.
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Speaker 10: It really means on it's determined by the type of
30:11
Speaker 10: food that we're talking about, And I talked about critical inputs.
30:15
Speaker 10: The more that we can be self sufficient in things
30:19
Speaker 10: like fertilizer where farmers are crying out for your re
30:22
Speaker 10: at the moment. You know, then it's going to be
30:25
Speaker 10: cheaper at the supermarket ultimately. But you know, I think
30:29
Speaker 10: we can look at at least a five to ten
30:31
Speaker 10: percent increase in the next four to six weeks, and
30:33
Speaker 10: possibly even higher if the war keeps going.
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Speaker 2: All right, I'll leave it there, Blo'll come back and
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Speaker 2: talk to you after the National Cabinet if I can, Richard,
30:43
Speaker 2: to see what you make of the latest installment from government.
30:46
Speaker 2: Thank you, all right? Follow the attentions on liquid fuels,
30:50
Speaker 2: what about gas? The system is very, very vulnerable and
30:54
Speaker 2: it was a long time before Iran. We'll get to
30:56
Speaker 2: that with Bridget McKenzie after the break. Welcome back still come.
31:04
Speaker 2: We'll talk to an expert to understand the ways that
31:07
Speaker 2: Islamic State is capitalizing on the war in the Middle
31:10
Speaker 2: East to encourage attacks on Jews and Christians in the West.
31:15
Speaker 2: But now to the latest on the fuel pressures around
31:17
Speaker 2: the country. Real concerns from everyday Australians get more hand
31:21
Speaker 2: ringing from a government that doesn't seem to understand how
31:24
Speaker 2: crippling the crisis is becoming. Here to discuss a national
31:29
Speaker 2: Senator Bridget Mackenzie, Senator, thank you. I guess at the
31:34
Speaker 2: end of the week, I, like so many Australians, are saying,
31:38
Speaker 2: why on earth is the government gas lighting us, blaming
31:42
Speaker 2: us and blaming his crisis on us for panic buying
31:48
Speaker 2: one hundred Peter and all your viewers will be sharing
31:52
Speaker 2: the frustration of the opposition here in Canberra after heading
31:57
Speaker 2: into now the fourth week of a crisis and what
32:01
Speaker 2: did the Prime Minister announce his plans to hold National
32:04
Speaker 2: Cabinet on Monday where they're going to discuss a national
32:09
Speaker 2: plan to deal with a crisis that's been unfolding at
32:13
Speaker 2: servos right across the country and whether it's families or
32:17
Speaker 2: our industrial capacity being smashed at the bowser, if they
32:22
Speaker 2: can get it at all. So I think we've seen
32:25
Speaker 2: a government that is completely flat footed on this and
32:29
Speaker 2: we've got our professional gas lider in Chris Bowen. It's
32:33
Speaker 2: not just that you're panic buying, you're to blame, but
32:35
Speaker 2: also you're a right wing extremist if you dare to
32:40
Speaker 2: raise the issue in question time. So all week we've
32:44
Speaker 2: been raising it in the Senate and the House being
32:46
Speaker 2: in case studies from right around the country to the Parliament,
32:51
Speaker 2: and to be fair, the Government's found it incredibly frustrating
32:54
Speaker 2: and embarrassing to have to face owning up to the
32:59
Speaker 2: fact that they're failure to act in a coordinated and
33:04
Speaker 2: rational fashion has meant it's tougher on everyday Australians, day in,
33:08
Speaker 2: day out, and the longer this goes on, given in
33:11
Speaker 2: the global supply chain, the tougher it's going to get.
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Speaker 15: So mid April we're in a lot of trouble.
33:18
Speaker 14: I just want to.
33:20
Speaker 2: Pinpoint the issue of the fuel X size because you
33:23
Speaker 2: and I both know every time, obviously the price of
33:25
Speaker 2: fuel goes up, what the government collects in this tax
33:30
Speaker 2: also goes up. So one of the reasons why I think,
33:33
Speaker 2: and I'm being you know, maybe perhaps politically cynical here.
33:37
Speaker 2: You correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason why
33:39
Speaker 2: they are so desperate to hang on to those extra billions,
33:44
Speaker 2: this is why they're not cutting the tax now, is
33:47
Speaker 2: they know the budgets in trouble come May, right, they
33:50
Speaker 2: need to get up and crow about their budget management
33:53
Speaker 2: and they need this windfall gain that's going to hit
33:56
Speaker 2: the budget because they'll use that money. The additional money,
33:59
Speaker 2: but it's money from our pocket to offset their higher
34:02
Speaker 2: power prices and perhaps to give people some fuel relief
34:06
Speaker 2: down the track. But they need the dollars in the
34:08
Speaker 2: door first.
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Speaker 13: Well, it's not just the fuel excise, Peter, as you know,
34:14
Speaker 13: it's also the windfall gains on the GST, the tax
34:17
Speaker 13: on the tax that the bowser. So there are a
34:21
Speaker 13: lot of good reasons if you're in government to not
34:25
Speaker 13: address the price issues that people are feeling at the bowser.
34:30
Speaker 13: And it's not just everyday Australians who tomorrow are thinking
34:34
Speaker 13: and this is what's happening out there.
34:36
Speaker 15: People are pulling in thinking, how do I.
34:38
Speaker 13: Literally get the kids to all their sporting activities this weekend?
34:42
Speaker 13: What do I do about that Easter camping holiday we'd
34:46
Speaker 13: planned next week? They're canceling at a rate of foot
34:50
Speaker 13: Knox not to mention our trucking industry. Now, one of
34:53
Speaker 13: the issues I want to raise is the trucking industry
34:56
Speaker 13: has been calling for support and action. Everything we purchase
35:02
Speaker 13: at retailers across the country comes on the back of
35:05
Speaker 13: a truck and they've seen the biggest increase ever in
35:10
Speaker 13: the fuel price. So even at the heart of the
35:11
Speaker 13: Ukraine War, you saw diesel increase by forty cents a leter.
35:16
Speaker 13: It's in excess of eighty cents a leader right now
35:19
Speaker 13: that is being passed through to consumers in transport levees
35:24
Speaker 13: that you discussed with your last guest right across the country. Now,
35:28
Speaker 13: if we don't support our truckees, cutting the fuel excise
35:32
Speaker 13: actually won't help our truckees unless we also address the
35:36
Speaker 13: road user charge that they pay, which those of us
35:39
Speaker 13: that use passenger vehicles don't. So the government needs to
35:43
Speaker 13: act for our transport sector and for consumers.
35:47
Speaker 15: They've got a lot of levers available.
35:48
Speaker 13: To them, and I think you raise a really genuine
35:51
Speaker 13: issue in why they might be reticent to do that,
35:54
Speaker 13: that it's their own coffers they're more worried about than
35:57
Speaker 13: assisting Australians through this crisis.
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Speaker 2: I want to quickly touch on gas too, because there
36:03
Speaker 2: is an analysis out today that says the risk of
36:05
Speaker 2: peak day shortfalls in gas is now highly likely by
36:10
Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine. That's earlier than predicted, and it's pretty
36:13
Speaker 2: bad in relation to Victoria. Victoria basically goes dry about
36:17
Speaker 2: that time, which leaves the Eastern seaboard exposed and reliant
36:23
Speaker 2: on imports.
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Speaker 13: Well, this is what you get when you have a
36:28
Speaker 13: state labor government who refuses to explore your gas resources
36:32
Speaker 13: that are literally under yours, in my feet as residents
36:35
Speaker 13: of the great state, once great State of Victoria. No
36:39
Speaker 13: exploration licenses being handed out, no development of that resource,
36:45
Speaker 13: and we're going to be a net importer of gas.
36:48
Speaker 13: We're already seeing businesses shutting down and manufacturers in particular moving.
36:53
Speaker 15: To states like South Australia where there is.
36:55
Speaker 13: A much more welcoming policy from that particular government. Isn't
37:03
Speaker 13: just going to affect businesses, as you know, Peter, it
37:06
Speaker 13: is also going to affect households, and we've seen the
37:10
Speaker 13: state government really struggling, I think, to come up with
37:14
Speaker 13: a sensible policy because it's so against their natural bias.
37:18
Speaker 15: I hope the opposition in Victoria.
37:21
Speaker 13: Comes out as loud proud supporters of developing an on
37:25
Speaker 13: shore and offshore gas industry in Victoria so we can
37:29
Speaker 13: really power our future and avoid those blackouts and have
37:33
Speaker 13: the potential to grow, which is what our state needs.
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Speaker 2: Well I do too, Fingers crossed they wake up to
37:40
Speaker 2: gats in the Liberal Party, not just the labor party,
37:43
Speaker 2: but Liberal Party two in Victoria. Thank you bridget Now
37:45
Speaker 2: after the break, the worrying messaging from Islamic State and
37:48
Speaker 2: how it could be linked to the Bondai attack. Plus,
37:51
Speaker 2: police are now assessing whether Islamic services mourning the dead
37:55
Speaker 2: Ayatola breached the law. So could we see charges laid here?
38:04
Speaker 2: Welcome back? Still to come. The thousands of Iranian temporary
38:07
Speaker 2: visa holders banned from Australia, fair enough, But what about
38:11
Speaker 2: all the thousands and thousands of Ghazans the government was
38:15
Speaker 2: happy to hand out visas to. We're to that in
38:18
Speaker 2: a moment. But first, terrorism experts at the West Point
38:21
Speaker 2: Combating Terrorism Center of the United States have published research
38:26
Speaker 2: that looks into messaging from the Islamic State that preceded
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Speaker 2: the Bondai terror attack last year. The experts say that
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Speaker 2: a speech which called on the followers of the caliphate
38:37
Speaker 2: to kill people of other faiths likely inspired Sajid and
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Speaker 2: the vd Akram, the men accused of carrying out the
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Speaker 2: Bondai attack. The speech by a resurgent Islamic state looked
38:51
Speaker 2: to capitalize on the war in the Middle East, stating,
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Speaker 2: and I'll quote them here, chase your prey whether the Jewish,
38:59
Speaker 2: Christian or their allies on the streets and roads of America,
39:03
Speaker 2: Europe and the world, it goes on kill them by
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Speaker 2: the worst of means, turn their gatherings and celebrations into
39:12
Speaker 2: bloody massacres. Join me now to discuss this. Former AFP
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Speaker 2: Detective Superintendent David Craig, Well, David, we know the police
39:21
Speaker 2: here in Australia. They allege that Navia Akron was inspired
39:25
Speaker 2: by his Lambing state. It would appear from this West
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Speaker 2: Point US research that ISIS was at the very least
39:33
Speaker 2: amplifying its messaging prior to the Bondai attack.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct, Peter, And this isn't anything new.
39:43
Speaker 11: I mean, Islamic extremist groups will always try to exploit
39:51
Speaker 11: anywhere where there are Muslims in conflict. They will try
39:54
Speaker 11: and inspire other people to come to the cause, to
39:58
Speaker 11: call in an assist of for the caliphate, whatever that
40:01
Speaker 11: may be. Now, ISIS have been defeated in most every
40:06
Speaker 11: time they packed their head up there, they are defeated.
40:09
Speaker 11: And now what with this paper is identifying is a
40:12
Speaker 11: link between these inspirational speeches that inspire a lone wolf
40:18
Speaker 11: tile attacks and.
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Speaker 4: The change of modern terrorism warfare.
40:27
Speaker 2: We've had a number of incidents involving young people and
40:32
Speaker 2: connections to or allegations of connections to Islamic State. I mean,
40:37
Speaker 2: when you get these messages put out right across the Internet,
40:41
Speaker 2: the world is very very small nowadays when it comes
40:44
Speaker 2: to terrorism. This just amplifies, doesn't it certainly to me David,
40:49
Speaker 2: that the work of our intelligence agencies and our police
40:53
Speaker 2: combating what could be hundreds, if not thousands of people
40:57
Speaker 2: at risk in this country alone, it's the sort of
41:00
Speaker 2: stuff that must keep you up at night.
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Speaker 4: It's really really difficult, Peter.
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Speaker 11: I mean, we've been quite fortunate in Australia and perhaps
41:09
Speaker 11: a little bit a little bit naive is about how
41:13
Speaker 11: protected we've actually been here. The Australian Federal Police azo
41:17
Speaker 11: the state police involved in the JCTTS have been very
41:20
Speaker 11: good at thwarting terrorist attacks in Australia traditionally. However, what
41:27
Speaker 11: we're seeing now, what this Alan Sari speech is all about,
41:31
Speaker 11: is moving away from hard targets and moving away from
41:34
Speaker 11: command and control models.
41:36
Speaker 4: So it's very easy, well it's not easy. It's doable.
41:40
Speaker 11: You can certainly disrupt an organization, but it's very hard
41:44
Speaker 11: to disrupt an ideology. So people here now can listen
41:48
Speaker 11: to ISIS inspired speeches and act on that alone. They
41:52
Speaker 11: don't need to be members of ISIS. ISIS don't have
41:54
Speaker 11: any territory anymore, but the territory that they do own
41:58
Speaker 11: is in the head of radicalized that may undertake attacks
42:02
Speaker 11: on soft targets as they've been promoting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you don't need to be looking at
42:08
Speaker 2: the Internet for overseas content, David. We saw in some
42:13
Speaker 2: horrific marches across the Sydney Harbor Bridge that people were
42:16
Speaker 2: holding up pictures of the dead Eya Toller at the time,
42:19
Speaker 2: and we know, of course, there were a number of
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Speaker 2: Islamic bodies and centers who held some sort of service
42:26
Speaker 2: for the leader here in Australia. I mean you can
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Speaker 2: see them on the screen now. Many of them received
42:31
Speaker 2: some form of government funding, and the Australian newspapers reporting
42:35
Speaker 2: that police are looking now looking at whether these bodies
42:38
Speaker 2: broke the law by holding these sort of memorial services.
42:42
Speaker 2: I mean, do you think we're going to see some
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Speaker 2: charges here?
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Speaker 11: It's possible, Peter. It really depends on what was said
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Speaker 11: and what was done in each instance. So I don't know,
42:54
Speaker 11: it might sound a little bit basic, but it's a
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Speaker 11: sensitive area. If it's spiritual mourning, even for such a
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Speaker 11: distatable and repugnant person as Tyler Harmany, then you know
43:05
Speaker 11: we have to tolerate that. That won't reach the legal
43:08
Speaker 11: threshold of a criminal charge in my opinion. However, when
43:11
Speaker 11: it moves into praise or advocating or support for the IRGC,
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Speaker 11: which is a listed to state terror organization, that's when
43:22
Speaker 11: you can reach into the criminal area and where people
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Speaker 11: may find themselves in trouble, particularly if some of these
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Speaker 11: people have been collecting money or espousing or celebrating the
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Speaker 11: violence of the IRGC.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of that report the other day
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Speaker 2: that money that was requested to support the Australian women,
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Speaker 2: these Laming State women in the camp in Syria was
43:49
Speaker 2: allegedly received for that purpose but being funneled back to
43:55
Speaker 2: is Laming State.
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Speaker 11: It never ceases to amaze me how unique and how
44:07
Speaker 11: desperate these people are to promote such violence. It astounds
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Speaker 11: me that there doesn't seem to be any moral code
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Speaker 11: or scruples involved with these people at all.
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm a little bit dumbfounded people with that
44:19
Speaker 4: whole situation.
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Speaker 2: Yeahea, it's terrible, but that's certainly what the reports are.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, thank you. David Craig, all right
44:27
Speaker 2: after the break the one rule for the Iranians, sure,
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Speaker 2: but another for the gardens that Tony Burke let into
44:33
Speaker 2: Australia even welcome about the airport and just how close
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Speaker 2: is the US at ending this war the International panel
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Speaker 2: coming out back now to the news that we heard
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Speaker 2: yesterday of Iranians on temporary Australian visas so entitled to
44:53
Speaker 2: come here, but they won't be allowed. They'll be restricted
44:55
Speaker 2: from re entering Australia. And it controversial new powers. I
44:59
Speaker 2: don't think they controversy. They're good being rolled out by
45:02
Speaker 2: the Albanezer government. Here to discuss this in more skannies
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Speaker 2: contributed Kosha Gada and former Labour MP Michael Danby. Well,
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Speaker 2: welcome to you both.
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Speaker 4: You heard me.
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Speaker 2: I don't think they're controversial. But tell you what you know,
45:12
Speaker 2: seven thousand Iranians being kept out of Australia, that's one thing.
45:16
Speaker 2: What about three and a half thousand Garzens That old
45:19
Speaker 2: mate went out to the airport and couldn't welcome them
45:21
Speaker 2: fast enough.
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Speaker 16: Well he'll never recover from the fact if there's one
45:25
Speaker 16: incident with those three thousand people, it was extraordinary for
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Speaker 16: a minister to go out to greet people who are
45:31
Speaker 16: on tourist visas here who've had no proper security clearances
45:35
Speaker 16: from his department. Barring the Iranians are very right reason
45:41
Speaker 16: because of their mo in various other countries and what
45:44
Speaker 16: they've already done here. But this is if you admit
45:48
Speaker 16: people on virtual tourist visas, when are they going back.
45:52
Speaker 4: There now?
45:53
Speaker 2: Really, let's update people at home too. Of those people
45:57
Speaker 2: who came about seventy to eighty percent the last time,
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Speaker 2: as I saw, had migrated into humanitarian refugee applications and
46:05
Speaker 2: they can run the gamut of that for six, seven,
46:07
Speaker 2: eight years. They can go all through the courts. They
46:10
Speaker 2: can get the Australian taxpayer to pick up their legal
46:13
Speaker 2: bills too. Michael, that's right.
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Speaker 16: They're on effective bridging visas after being on those tourist
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Speaker 16: visas and it's a road to sort of full citizenship
46:23
Speaker 16: without doing any of the tests or criteria that I mean,
46:26
Speaker 16: what jobs do they fill that Australians need. This is
46:30
Speaker 16: just Christopher the Miller for Pauline Hanson and the anti
46:33
Speaker 16: immigration lobby that you's successfully pushed and.
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Speaker 2: The war's over as far as I'm concerned. They can
46:38
Speaker 2: all go home. They can all go home. That wall
46:41
Speaker 2: we're talking about Gaza there, Let's go to Iran. What's
46:44
Speaker 2: the latest out of the States.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think the fog of war and the complexity
46:49
Speaker 14: of the situation remains. The messaging coming out of the
46:52
Speaker 14: Trump campaign remains all over the place in terms of
46:55
Speaker 14: you know, what is the mission steam manner, were close
46:56
Speaker 14: to deal and we're not close to deal. Every time
46:59
Speaker 14: somebody's coming out of something which is not great, that
47:01
Speaker 14: hasn't helped in terms of selling the premise. It Reportedly
47:04
Speaker 14: there is some discussion, but the right person he doesn't
47:07
Speaker 14: reveal who he talked about.
47:08
Speaker 2: This present that he received from the c wasn't it.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, so all of this and which he didn't reveal,
47:13
Speaker 14: He said, it's something very big and beautiful that suggests
47:15
Speaker 14: I'm talking to the right people to the extent that
47:18
Speaker 14: there's some sort of deal on the table. It looks
47:20
Speaker 14: like they're very far apart, which is where we would
47:22
Speaker 14: expect it to be. I think got another big picture
47:25
Speaker 14: takeaway here is that while around of course, is no
47:27
Speaker 14: match militarily, and Inter's air power and ballistic capacity for
47:31
Speaker 14: the US. They do hold cards whether it's a strait
47:33
Speaker 14: of horror moves, whether it's threatening to bomb the desalination
47:37
Speaker 14: plants and the other glove states and other things, and
47:38
Speaker 14: they know that and they are not shy to use
47:41
Speaker 14: that coverage.
47:41
Speaker 2: So I think this is because they're very complicated. That's
47:44
Speaker 2: really theocrats. And this alone, to me, Michael says, if
47:48
Speaker 2: you've gone these far, yes, it's going to cost us
47:51
Speaker 2: in terms of fuel and all the other issues. And
47:54
Speaker 2: I can say this because I've got money in the pocket.
47:55
Speaker 2: I'll pay whatever price the bowser to get rid of
47:58
Speaker 2: these crazies, like to get the new threat away from Iran.
48:02
Speaker 2: I don't want Iran under its current regime to survive
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Speaker 2: it any way, shape or form. We've got to finish.
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Speaker 16: For three years, fuel was over one hundred dollars a
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Speaker 16: barrel under Obama. So these people are do temporarily control
48:17
Speaker 16: the straits of homewars. But there are two Marine Expeditionary
48:21
Speaker 16: Forces and part of the eighty second Airborne and we
48:24
Speaker 16: were in.
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Speaker 2: The western countries. Are these guys are bad guys?
48:27
Speaker 16: Between the between the isolationists and the Democrat left who
48:32
Speaker 16: seemed to be universally against This doesn't seem to be
48:36
Speaker 16: any any patriotic.
48:42
Speaker 2: Australia.
48:43
Speaker 16: And where is the Anglo Alliance? Where are the five eyes?
48:47
Speaker 16: It's it's I've never seen a situation like this internationally,
48:50
Speaker 16: so it's a very closely run thing whether this thing
48:53
Speaker 16: will be successful or not.
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Speaker 14: And the home countries are weaker, that's a reality too,
48:57
Speaker 14: so that makes it further a harder sell. So many
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Speaker 14: domestic problems. Why now was it imminent? Even if we
49:03
Speaker 14: agree we want to get rid of them? Why now?
49:04
Speaker 14: And maybe seventy years ago the home countries were a
49:07
Speaker 14: bit stronger, So that's another fund.
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Speaker 16: Well, they were close to a nuclear whip and they
49:10
Speaker 16: told wit cough, you know, we've got eleven nuclear bonds.
49:12
Speaker 16: It told him to his face. That's what scared Trump.
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Speaker 3: Gott to go.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Have a good weekend. You have
49:18
Speaker 2: a good week at home too. Don't use too much
49:20
Speaker 2: of the tank of fuel. Chrispine thinks you are naughty,
49:23
Speaker 2: you're padding buy It's not your fault, it's his right.
49:26
Speaker 2: That's it for me. Andrew's up mixed