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BONUS: Instant Reaction from Ohio State's 42-19 Win Over Illinois · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast. I'm Tony Gerdeman,
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  Speaker 1: here as always with Tom. Or Tom, how's it going?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Tony, everyone wanted to see Julian Sand run.
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  Speaker 3: And man, oh man, Julian Sand runs.
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  Speaker 2: So I assume everyone's really happy with everything after that
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  Speaker 2: comfortable win for Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what else there could be to complain
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  Speaker 1: about based on that. You saw Julian Sand do his
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  Speaker 1: best in his darndest. And at one point, Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: tweeted out, like a tweet, a graphic, like record-breaking or
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  Speaker 1: like record-setting, and it was Jeremiah Smith with his four touchdowns.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys are really just missing the fact
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  Speaker 1: that Julian has crushed his career high of 19 yards
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  Speaker 1: rushing in a game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was– we had talked about the fact that, boy,
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  Speaker 3: the Illinois.
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  Speaker 2: Defense is not great in terms of defending the run
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  Speaker 2: and tackling and all that kind of stuff, but, man–
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  Speaker 2: I was not expecting Julian saying gets loose and breaks tackles.
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  Speaker 2: And like, man, it was, if they could just get
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  Speaker 2: that out of him, I feel like that's probably plenty.
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  Speaker 2: That probably opens up a lot of things for what this.
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  Speaker 3: Team could be.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he should be breaking more tackles than
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  Speaker 1: your running backs, though.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but is that a Julian saying it's too
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  Speaker 2: good problem?
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  Speaker 1: Basically, that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: We actually– I was going to get to this way
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  Speaker 2: later in the show, but here we are talking about
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  Speaker 2: Julian saying running. So do we have our soundbite about
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  Speaker 2: Julian saying it looks like we do not– Uh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, we do not have, we do not have ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Well, don't worry. We'll get back to that.
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  Speaker 1: We can start off by talking about Jeremiah.
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  Speaker 2: We have a super chat. We should get to real quick.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get it.
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Mike Ferguson says, Justin, the big 10 replay center
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  Speaker 2: is taking 10 minutes to let you know that juice
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  Speaker 2: Williams was out of balance before crossing the goal. You know,
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  Speaker 2: only 19 years too late.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, that's a shame, but, uh, it took Ohio state
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  Speaker 1: 19 years to get off the field against juice. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it did.
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  Speaker 3: All right, so let's talk a little bit about your
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  Speaker 3: friend and mine, Jeremiah Smith.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about Jeremiah Smith before the tone turns
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  Speaker 1: and we start talking about the defense and the running game.
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  Speaker 1: But three touchdowns in the first half, over 150 yards
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  Speaker 1: in the first half, finishes with a career-high in catches
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  Speaker 1: and yards, and ties the school record with four touchdown catches.
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  Speaker 1: And at this point now, Tom, I was watching this
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  Speaker 1: on that fourth touchdown, I'm thinking, what's a three-point ball
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  Speaker 1: prediction for Jeremiah Smith now? Because... Six touchdowns? I mean, five,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, would be the record.
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  Speaker 2: First guy with four in a game since, I believe,
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  Speaker 2: Noah Brown against Oklahoma in 2016.
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  Speaker 3: And, yeah, it just, you know, you look at the numbers.
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  Speaker 2: I pulled up the stat broadcast numbers partway through the
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  Speaker 2: second quarter, and I thought, that can't be right. He
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  Speaker 2: can't possibly have that many receiving yards. And, yeah, finishes
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  Speaker 2: with 12 carries, 12 catches, 217 yards, and four touchdowns,
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  Speaker 2: 12 catches on 16 targets.
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  Speaker 3: So they're force-feeding him the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And Ohio State's not doing a whole heck of a
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  Speaker 2: lot else, and it was still kind of just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: all Illinois could do is just sort of shrug and
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  Speaker 2: tip their hat.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and when we look at the rushing yards, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to switch to rushing yards yet, but, like,
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  Speaker 1: some of those yards that you see there, the 217 yards,
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  Speaker 1: some of those are going to be attributed to the
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  Speaker 1: rushing game. a running game with the RPOs and the
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  Speaker 1: reliefs outside and things like that. So when we start
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  Speaker 1: downplaying the running game, don't forget that that's part of
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  Speaker 1: it there with the 12 for 217. But he joins
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  Speaker 1: fellow four touchdown catch guys at Ohio State, Noah Brown,
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  Speaker 1: Dane Sandsenbacher, Terry Glenn, Bob Grimes, who, Tom, you know
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  Speaker 1: as Frank Grimes. Or Grimey. Grimey, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't wear gloves, though.
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  Speaker 1: No, probably not, unless they were mittens back then. This
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  Speaker 1: is 1952 we're talking about. It might have been cold.
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  Speaker 1: It was a non-conference, so it wouldn't have been. But
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  Speaker 1: I did ask, I wanted to ask Brian Day, was
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  Speaker 1: there any thought about getting Jeremiah fifth when you're down
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  Speaker 1: there at the two and you know you want another touchdown? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't. I ran out of time. But I
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  Speaker 1: asked Jeremiah. He's like, four is good enough. He gave
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  Speaker 1: the politically correct, polite answer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you should be getting him five because if you have,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you put that stat up on
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  Speaker 2: the college football final at the end of the night,
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  Speaker 2: because that's, that's all anyone's going to talk about. You know,
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  Speaker 2: that that's going to be that the highlights from this
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  Speaker 2: game are going to be, you're going to see two
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  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith touchdown catches and they're going to put his
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  Speaker 2: stat line up there and everyone's going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: how incredible he is. And that's, that's going to be,
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  Speaker 2: that's going to be the nation's takeaway because people watching Texas, Tennessee,
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  Speaker 2: they weren't watching this game. So, you know, you have
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  Speaker 2: accomplished what you needed to from a narrative perspective, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if you have the opportunity to, in a low-stakes situation,
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  Speaker 2: get him into touchdown, like, you put that number, because
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  Speaker 2: it's just, Miami is going to keep throwing the ball
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  Speaker 2: to Malachi Toney, and he's going to keep piling up numbers,
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  Speaker 2: so you've got to just kind of pile up numbers too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, and well, you're right, he's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: four is good, but the opportunity, you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: have even Jeremiah Smith is not going to have that
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  Speaker 1: many opportunities for five touchdowns. And this was a prime opportunity,
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  Speaker 1: especially with as terrified of him as Illinois was secondary.
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  Speaker 1: They probably would have played off of me, like in the,
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  Speaker 1: into the back of the end zone from the two
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  Speaker 1: because they're afraid of being deep on this. And his
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  Speaker 1: second touchdown, the catch and run where he was wide
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  Speaker 1: open downfield and then came back for it a little
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  Speaker 1: bit and then made the defender turn around. He said
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  Speaker 1: he knew before the play, If you guys are watching
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  Speaker 1: the stream, if that was going to be a touchdown,
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  Speaker 1: Julian Sainz said the same thing because of the alignment
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  Speaker 1: that they were in. It's like, well, this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a touchdown. And there are some others where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, for Jeremiah Smith, that's not the first time
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  Speaker 1: he's ever looked at a play and thought, well, this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be a score.
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  Speaker 2: I look at that every time they throw the ball
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  Speaker 2: to Jeremiah.
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  Speaker 1: Especially down inside the 10s, like, well, here's going to be,
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  Speaker 1: there's no safety over the top. And they did a
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  Speaker 1: good job of doing that where it's just like, let
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  Speaker 1: him go get it. It is interesting to see him
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  Speaker 1: target it this much to where it's like, well, if
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to do anything crazy to stop it,
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  Speaker 1: is Ohio State foolish for going away from it?
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  Speaker 3: Well, if he is one-on-one, he's open.
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  Speaker 2: And you just throw it that way forever until they
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  Speaker 2: do something else, until they completely change or anything.
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  Speaker 3: And then with this, we haven't seen teams try that approach.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Texas tried that approach two years in a row,
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  Speaker 2: lost both of the games. And then took a different
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  Speaker 2: approach and Jeremiah had a huge game against Texas, but
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  Speaker 2: the other guys didn't, you know, the other guys didn't
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  Speaker 2: really step up to supplement it.
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  Speaker 3: And we haven't really seen the other guys.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff McEwen had 97 yards against all state, but did,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we had a couple of catches last week against, against,
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  Speaker 2: and then this week had a couple of catches, four
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  Speaker 2: catches for 34 yards.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, your second leading receiver was your tight end,
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  Speaker 3: Nate Roberts, four catches, 36 yards.
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  Speaker 2: That's not, That's not amazing.
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  Speaker 3: No catches for Brandon Innes today I thought was interesting.
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  Speaker 2: There were a couple things today that you just kind
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  Speaker 2: of scratched your head and thought, where's Leighton Bay? Why
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  Speaker 2: is Brandon Innes not getting the ball?
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  Speaker 1: Where is everyone? Julian did throw one to Brandon Innes yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: down in the red zone where it was like the
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  Speaker 1: long delay and they were trying to get it on
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  Speaker 1: the backside in the back of the end zone, but
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  Speaker 1: there was too much back there. So Sage kind of
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  Speaker 1: threw it out of the end zone, but like Brayden
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  Speaker 1: has caught everything thrown his way that he can catch. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And it's funny that now I'm sure we're not the
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  Speaker 1: only people saying, you know what, maybe get that guy
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  Speaker 1: in the ball, especially where like after last season, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I hope, you know, like if he's one of your
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  Speaker 1: top options and you know, this is, this is trouble already.
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  Speaker 1: the way Twitter craps on him and Twitter being what
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  Speaker 1: it is. But like now it's like, you wouldn't mind
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  Speaker 1: seeing him get the ball because he's, he's going to
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  Speaker 1: catch it. He's going to move the chains and you
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  Speaker 1: just want to get more people involved. And at this
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  Speaker 1: point you're talking about Arthur Smith who he's turned, he's,
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  Speaker 1: he's turning Jeremiah Smith into Derrick Henry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and, and you know what, when you have a
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  Speaker 2: Derrick Henry or you have a Jeremiah Smith, Yes, you
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  Speaker 2: should do that. You should keep it because we have
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  Speaker 2: seen what Lane Kiffin did with Derrick Henry, and Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State got to play for the national championship in 2014
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  Speaker 2: because Lane Kiffin forgot he had Derrick Henry. If you
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  Speaker 2: have Jeremiah Smith, you shouldn't forget you have Jeremiah Smith.
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  Speaker 2: And if the opposing team takes him away, then you
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  Speaker 2: have to have other guys that can make you pay
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  Speaker 2: for it.
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  Speaker 1: I think they do.
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  Speaker 3: I think they do. We just haven't seen it yet
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  Speaker 3: this year.
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  Speaker 2: And my assumption is that next week you're going to
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  Speaker 2: see a good old-fashioned– norm parkering in uh in iowa
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  Speaker 2: city and you know they're going to be real boy
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  Speaker 2: are they going to have a bunch of you know
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  Speaker 2: five foot ten white guys who are going to you
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  Speaker 2: know who are like the most incredibly fundamentally sound guys
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  Speaker 2: in the world and they're going to be three of
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  Speaker 2: them draped all over jeremiah and they're going to say
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  Speaker 2: okay have someone else beat us and yeah yeah it's
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  Speaker 2: Iowa right now is in a 10-7 slugfest with Michigan
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  Speaker 2: almost at halftime.
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  Speaker 3: And how did Iowa score? It was a kickoff return. Oh, really?
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  Speaker 2: I was looking at Iowa's offensive stats and going, so
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  Speaker 2: they've 6 of 10 for 47 yards passing and 2.1
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  Speaker 2: yards rushing. How exactly did they score? And the answer
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  Speaker 2: is the offense was not involved at all.
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  Speaker 1: You talk about like a good old-fashioned Norm Parkering and
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  Speaker 1: I'm imagining it like throwing deep to Jeremiah. That's paddling.
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  Speaker 1: Deep cut there for you all. Nice to see Super Chat.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Super Chat from Robert Howard says, I always fully
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  Speaker 2: support the spang of the JJ button. Yeah, JJ down
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  Speaker 2: there somewhere, it works so often that it feels like
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  Speaker 2: just– you just need a Jeremiah Smith heat check once
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  Speaker 2: a quarter at the very end.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: From the logo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That sort of thing. And really, he was 12 of
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  Speaker 1: 16 on targets. But you look like the targets put together, what,
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  Speaker 1: 217 yards, you said? So, like, even the incompletions are getting, like,
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  Speaker 1: 15 yards on average. But eventually, they're going to need
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  Speaker 1: other people. So, you know, I guess just wait. Why
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  Speaker 1: not wait until eventually?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like, right now, He puts up four touchdowns in a
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  Speaker 1: game that there was a point time when it was 28,
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  Speaker 1: 13 and Illinois was driving. And we've seen Ohio state
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  Speaker 1: give up leads before in the second half. And you
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  Speaker 1: named one time.
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  Speaker 3: You were such a complaint.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think would have happened with the fan
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  Speaker 1: base of which the North North fans did not return
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  Speaker 1: from halftime.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Which is, yeah. But like now, now say Illinois scores
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  Speaker 1: and it's 28, 20 or 28, 21.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The, uh, the clenching and the murmuring. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, 100%. And you have to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: job one is to win the game. Brian Day talks
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  Speaker 2: about that every week, like, you gotta win the game.
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  Speaker 2: And this was a game that was never really in
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  Speaker 2: any significant doubt, but it was because you can't, you
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  Speaker 2: couldn't get too cute with stuff. You couldn't, this is
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  Speaker 2: when you find out, who do they really trust?
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  Speaker 3: Who are they playing?
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, we'll get into the narrative around Kari
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  Speaker 2: Wilder this week in a little bit, but I feel
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  Speaker 2: like this is the week where you start to see, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you saw what you saw against Texas. The rotation, we're
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  Speaker 2: using a lot of basketball metaphors here, but the rotation
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  Speaker 2: kind of gets winnowed down as you go from playing
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  Speaker 2: Mississippi Valley State to, okay, now you're getting into Big
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  Speaker 2: Ten play in basketball. And you are sort of seeing
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  Speaker 2: the rotation winnowed down, whereas last week was everyone in
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  Speaker 2: the world who wants to play. Congratulations, you all get
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  Speaker 2: to play. This week you see who they really.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of trust.
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  Speaker 2: And it was still, you still saw plenty of younger guys.
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  Speaker 2: You're seeing more Riley Pettigian. You're seeing plenty of Jay Timmons.
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  Speaker 2: You're seeing, you know, I felt like you saw a
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  Speaker 2: decent amount of TJ Alford today.
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  Speaker 4: He started.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. He was out there starting with Peyton Pearson, Christian Allegro.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. But you're seeing some of these young guys, but
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  Speaker 2: you're not seeing the other ones. And that that's your
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  Speaker 2: tip off that this is not the coaching staff is
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  Speaker 2: being too stubborn or the coaching staff is won't play
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  Speaker 2: anyone until they've hit a certain amount of seniority on
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  Speaker 2: the team.
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  Speaker 3: Like there are reasons for the guys that you're not seeing.
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  Speaker 1: Watching Curry Wilder, not to jump over to the defense,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll be jumping everywhere. Watching Curry Wilder rush on
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  Speaker 1: these passing downs. It's very like he is a nonstop motor,
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  Speaker 1: but I can understand why coaches might be concerned about
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  Speaker 1: his ability to stop the run because he's like Tasmanian
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  Speaker 1: devil back there. And so when you're spinning around and
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  Speaker 1: doing all of this Tasmanian devilish things, you might forget
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  Speaker 1: the running back and the way they played against the
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  Speaker 1: run today, Tom, I don't know that you can afford
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  Speaker 1: to have Curry Wilder as part of that defense in
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  Speaker 1: first and second down.
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  Speaker 2: No, I, that, that I think was pretty clearly to
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  Speaker 2: me because it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like a
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  Speaker 2: secretly something terrible has happened off the field. It was,
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  Speaker 2: it was very clearly something on field related to me.
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  Speaker 2: And it, that was the most logical thing. Doesn't, they
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  Speaker 2: don't trust him to set the edge in the run game.
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  Speaker 2: They don't trust him to have rush discipline in, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to stay in his lanes. They, you know, he wants
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  Speaker 2: to go win the, win the rep. And sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: have to not win the rep to do your one
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  Speaker 2: 11th and not try and do two and a half 11th.
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  Speaker 3: You got to do your one 11th.
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  Speaker 2: That's the kind of stuff that keeps young, talented defensive
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  Speaker 2: players off the field. I, I would just bet you
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  Speaker 2: a shiny nickel that that is, at least a portion
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  Speaker 2: of the why behind that. And if you're a former
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  Speaker 2: Penn State football player, don't be a moron. Like, you
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  Speaker 2: know that there are other reasons. It's not coaching malpractice.
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  Speaker 2: Stop saying dumb crap for attention.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and then so Illinois rushes for 199 yards. They
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  Speaker 1: have seven plays of 10 yards or more on the ground,
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  Speaker 1: seven explosives, which is 10 yards or more on the ground,
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  Speaker 1: 37 yards, 22, 15, 18, 11, 25, and 12. And
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  Speaker 1: I think the long touchdown run, I think that was
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  Speaker 1: Riley Pettyjohn not getting outside and keeping– and he lost leverage.
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  Speaker 1: And then, like, the next series, he gets a sack,
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  Speaker 1: and you see, like, everybody has forgiven him. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: just thinking, what if that was Peyton Pierce giving up
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  Speaker 1: that touchdown run? Is anybody forgiving him?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's– yeah, there's a certain amount of– whatever, whatever
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  Speaker 2: I see confirms my priors basically.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm also saying like, yeah, more of Riley Pettyjohn,
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  Speaker 1: but right. Like no, no, nobody, none of these linebackers
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  Speaker 1: are perfect. The, the long swing pass where he's Peyton
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  Speaker 1: Pierce could see like gets blown up because he's, he's
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  Speaker 1: the only guy on defense chasing it, which was like,
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  Speaker 1: I was not a 37 yarder as well. I got
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  Speaker 1: 34 or whatever, but there was nobody on that side. And,
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  Speaker 1: Peyton Pierce brings the guy down and he's going back
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  Speaker 1: and talking to Christian Allegro, like pointing, like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think that, you know, like it looked like that was
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  Speaker 1: Christian Allegro's guy, but because it's Peyton Pierce doing the tackling,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: it's like, geez, but, and that's just two examples that
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  Speaker 1: I've kind of got in my craw right now, but
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  Speaker 1: like none of, none of the linebackers have played perfectly or,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: or in this game, you can't give up 199 yards
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: rushing and the linebackers are all going to grade out
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: with winning grades.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: No, I, I, think that there probably are going to
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: be a lot of people who don't enjoy watching this
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: film on the defensive side of the ball at players, coaches, everything.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: I mean that, that if, if you're giving up six
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: yards of carry to Illinois and it wasn't like there
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: was an 80 yarder that skewed it, it was boy,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: there were a lot of 10 yarders and you know,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I was going to pull up Ohio state's stats for
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: how many 10 yard brushes they had given up before today.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: And then versus how many they gave up today.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Cause it was, well, And they hadn't given up a
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: 30-yard play before today.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they gave up seven 10-yard rushes in their first
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: three games of the season, and then they gave up
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: seven today.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was right.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so they had only given up zero 30-yard plays,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: and they gave up two today. And that's only because
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: they gave up two 27s and a 25, things like that. So, yeah,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: going to have to revisit some things. Brian Day said
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: afterwards they were more aggressive and they made a man more.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's something that people have been asking for.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah. Congratulations, yeah.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I mean, it's still a work in progress.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia said as much on Wednesday where he's still
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what everybody can do and what
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: they can't. I think maybe sometime they learned a bit
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: about what maybe some guys can't do today. But I
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: will also say, having watched Caden Houser twice now, That
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: dude's pretty fearless. He did not look this mobile against Duke,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I thought. He was pretty good. He's got a strong arm.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: He's very, very confident. I didn't see Illinois having this
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: kind of rushing attack against Duke, though.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I think the rushing defense is officially a concern. And
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I think that really starts up front. I know everyone
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: wants to complain about the linebackers. The defensive line, the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: interior of the defensive line, I know they don't have.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Zion Grady right now.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I know you're not playing Kari Wilder as much as
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: everyone wants to play Kari Wilder, but the defensive line
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: is just really not fantastic.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: And it felt like there were plenty of times when
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: you're playing three defensive.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Tackles and you're getting not a ton of push, you're
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: getting runs up the middle against you when you've got
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: three different defensive tackles in there. that's, you know, that's,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I think a concern because I was not going to
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: do that much next week, but if Iowa can run
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: the ball, well, I will can, you know, I was
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: offensive line is going to be probably fine, but.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: And they get, they have a lot of big plays
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: on the ground, which is they, they've got like 11,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: 20 yard rushes coming into this game. So they're going
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: to look at this and be like, Oh, you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: this looks nice. This is nice.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: They're not running the ball at all against Michigan today,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: but this will be the first time we will say
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: this this week, and it will be the first of
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: about 75. Iowa at home versus Iowa on the road
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: are two very different teams, and they always have been.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very different. Iowa on the road is like the
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: back end of an animal. Iowa at home is the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: front end.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: It's like that drawing of the horse. Exactly.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so defensively, Certainly things got to get improved there.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Finally got to see a little bit of James Smith
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: making some plays. I'm still waiting for the first Quay
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Rousaw to do something, get to the quarterback, create a havoc.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I've not seen any of that. Kenyatta Jackson got another
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: sack today. Like, I'm never going to– he does everything
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: that he can. He's a complete player. But outside of that,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: outside of the blitzing, which really was not all that
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: effective in terms of creating pressure, There's no pass rush here.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: No, there really.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Was not a whole lot of pass rush and I'm
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: just pulling a one quarterback. hurry all day three sacks
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: which is good you know rally page on had a
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: sack peyton pierce bo atkinson shared a sack kenyatta jackson
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: had a sack but it wasn't you know it was
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: not a dominant performance i i'm I'm with you.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: I'm looking through. I know I saw Quay Russo out there.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he played a lot. Two tackles.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: He played a lot, and it just doesn't really show
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: up on the stat sheet. I am very surprised at
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: how little impact he's had so far this year. I
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: thought for sure he was someone who was going to
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: bring something very unique.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: He was someone who had.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: an impact at Alabama before he got hurt last year
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: and it just it is not translated at all this
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: season Devin Paul says Tom does the cot of shame
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: hold the defensive line no I don't I don't think
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the uh having having been on like many many cots
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: of shame over the years uh it's mostly uh poor
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: quality springs poking.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: You in the back I don't think you want to
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: put five 300 pound.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Guys on there the bar won't allow it no I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: am now looking at bullet predictions you have to have
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: your two-pointer was four players have season highs, and I
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: don't know if that was... And it was at least
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: one by 17 yards. You may have hit that, but
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: we don't need to talk about that right now. It's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: neither here nor there. That's not very important. It's not
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: what the people are here for.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I can tell you Julian Sane had a season high
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: in rushing.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Very much so. So congratulations, Tom, on getting those two points,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: but I don't know that was enough to win.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: So, you know, going through.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: We've talked about the defensive line. I do want to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the offensive line because there
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: was no Philip Daniels. So you're back to Ian Moore,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Luke Montgomery, Carson Hinsman, Gabe Van Sickle, and Austin Seereveld.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: You have a much better view of line play than
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I do from upstairs. So what did the offensive line
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: look like? Because you look at the rushing stats and
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: the rushing stats are pretty uninspiring, right? 5.6 yards a
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: carry for Jacoby Jackson, 4.8 for Bo Jackson, 7.5 for
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Isaiah West on two carries.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: But the long of the day is just 15 yards.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Now, when you're averaging a reasonable number, but the long
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: is 15 yards, 12 yards, 10 yards, that to me
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: says this is a running back issue, not an offensive
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: line issue.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: That's exactly where I am as well. And the numbers
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: are okay. They're not very good. Again, you'll take 5.6
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: yards per carry and 4.8 yards per carry from your
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: top two guys most Big Ten games. Not against an
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Illinois defense that has been given up hundreds of yards
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: rushing to bad opponents. And not just Duke, but before that,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: they gave up 200 yards rushing to a low-grade FBS
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: or maybe even an FCS team. So you would expect
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Ohio State to do better But also, the running backs
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: have to break more tackles. Ryan Day wanted them to
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: run angry. I don't know how angry they were. Jacoby
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Jackson will fight through, and I thought Bo Jackson did
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: some of that as well a little bit. But also,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think the offensive line did well enough to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, this is clearly the best option.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I think you still need to see more from the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Philip Daniels.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the fact that they started the year with
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Philip Daniels and the fact that you haven't seen clear-cut
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: better with the Gabe Van Sickle austin sirvel bright side
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: you know i i would guess that they will probably
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: go back to that again next week or at least
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: rotate through next.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Week assuming he looks good in practice yeah well that
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: yeah that's sort of again against ohio state's defensive line
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: right is that easier to do which is a crazy
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: thing to think.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Which is a crazy thing to think i i think
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have i mean they kind of know what
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: they have there yeah so that's you know i I
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: don't know that Iowa's defensive line is, it's not the
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: purple people eaters or anything like that. It's they're, they're,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: they're good, but they're just kind of like sound.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: They're not going to get out of their gap.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: They're not guys.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: It's not a bunch of future top 10 draft picks there.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: It's just good, solid discipline. It's the same stuff that
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: you say about Iowa defense.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Every year, the defense in the second half, the past defense, right?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Where they held Illinois pretty well in check that first half.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And they were locking down, Colin Dixon had two catches,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you know, for like maybe 21 yards or something like that.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: But then things just kind of opened up in the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: second half. Ohio State gives up 25 first downs as
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: a defense, which is a lot.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: That's a lot.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And there's some good third downs in there. Some really,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: really good catches from Illinois as well. Like even in
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the first half when they're converting some third downs, the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: coverage was there, but the catches were better. And so
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the throw was there. So 25, like 462 yards of
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: total offense. That's what Ohio state gave up. It's their
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: most since 2024 against Oregon. And that's, that was a
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: while ago. It's not two years ago at this point now,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: but that game changed some things. I don't know that
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: this game is going to change anything because there's no
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: thing that Ohio state is constantly doing where you're like,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: can you stop doing that? Cause they're just doing a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of different things. And then Tom, I will
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: say it was pointed out today that, uh, Jim Knowles'
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: defense at Tennessee held Texas to fewer points than Matt
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Patricia's defense did this year, if.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: That means anything. Yeah, I don't know that. I don't
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: know that it means anything. I'm sure it's something... Home
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: versus road. Yeah, right.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Matt Patricia's defense held Texas to three points, which,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: you know, half the people are going to say, yeah, but.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: And then the other half are going to say, well, but.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, if it was 160 degrees on the Tennessee... Right, yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: And....
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: The defense today was you look at the drive chart
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: for Illinois and there were zero three and outs. There
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: were the, they got a four and out in the
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: second quarter.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: And then right at halftime, they got a four, you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: four and out at halftime, but nine plays, 34 yards,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: six plays, 75 yards, four plays, 19 yards, eight plays,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: 50 yards, four plays, 33 yards, 13 plays, 49 yards,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: 13 plays, 74 yards. nine plays, 75 yards, seven plays,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: 40 yards. But you, you know, other than the second
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: drive where they scored a touchdown, it's four plays, 19
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: yards punt. It plays 50 yards, field goal, four plays,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: 33 yards, half 13 plays, 49 yards, field goal, 13 plays,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: 74 yards downs, nine plays, 75 yards, touchdown, seven plays,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: 40 yards downs.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: It was Illinois could not finish.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: And, you know, Brett Bielema, I was over at his
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: press conference and, Ohio State fans are ready to jump
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: off the roof because the defense looked the way the
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: defense did. Bielema was, I mean, he's rubbing his head.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: He's pinching the bridge of his nose because I think
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: he looks at this and goes, there was an opportunity
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: to win that football game. They were down two scores
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: in the second half. You finish some of those drives.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: You turn the downs into field goals and the field
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: goals into touchdowns and boom, you've won the football game.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And So this is probably a little bit of a
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: missed opportunity in their minds.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Does the bend but don't break thing,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: do you buy that?
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Because I'm sure that's one of the, you know, that's
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: how that gets spun if it's a don't worry about
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: it situation.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Do you buy that?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Who's bending but not breaking? Ohio State?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ohio State's defense, you know, you're giving up 13 plays,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: but you stop them.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: When they're there. Well, and that 13-play, 74-yard drive, that
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: ends in a, turnover on downs at the Ohio state 20,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: because that drive started at the Ohio state, like four
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: or six yard line. And they marched down for seven
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: minutes and 50 seconds before that was it. They could
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: go no further. I think with some teams, you can just,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: obviously you're trying to force some stuff, but you can
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: also wait for some of the lesser teams to just
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: screw up.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: They're going to throw it in completion on third and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: six and boom, you know, eventually that's going to happen.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And I think I, It'll be interesting to go back
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and watch this and see how much of the conversions
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: were against an aggressive defense. And Caden Houser came into
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: this game, I think, as the top right, according to PFF,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: passer against the Blitz this season. And I guess if
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: OSU thought, well, let's go ahead and be more aggressive
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and see what we get out of it, without having
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: a PFF subscription and knowing that Caden Houser is pretty
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: good against the Blitz, well, they know now. Yeah, sure.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: It was, you know, Caden Houser had a good day
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: and Caden Houser is a good college quarterback.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: He is a veteran college quarterback. He's a lot. He's
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: not the same player.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: As Luke Altmyer from last year that Illinois quarterback who
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: was also a transfer last year. And but he's he's
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: similar enough where he's a veteran.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: He doesn't have.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: The incredible arm, but he's a good enough arm. He
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't have the incredible wheels, but he has good enough mobility.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: He, he is a man. He is a solid B to.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: B plus college quarterback where it's not, you know, he's
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: not going to win the Heisman. He's not going to
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: get you to the college football playoff, but man, he,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: with a passable defense, you are going to win the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: heck out of eight football games in a year. And
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: you know, that's, that's good enough. If your defense is
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: kind of iffy, that's a quarterback that can kind of
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: pick you apart a little bit.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Well, and I know you're an Ohio Hobart, but I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: think he would have been, he'd be an up over
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Curtis Rourke Indiana 2024 because Rourke had been through the
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: ringer and wasn't quite the same player that he was yeah.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I mean he was and he broke his thumb or
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: hurt his thumb which kind of screwed up his season
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: a little bit too but you know.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: He's he's that type of quarterback.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Like he's, he's the kind of quarterback that when Illinois
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: got him, I remember thinking like, Oh, that's a good get.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Like he's, I remember him at Michigan state when he
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: started his.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Career where everybody starts their careers.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: But then he, he left, it went to ECU for
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: a couple of seasons and was a very good quarterback
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: at ECU for a couple of seasons. And then, you know, you, you,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you go South, you, you get to, you know, you,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you get properly seasoned and then you come back up and.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: You're, and you're ready to go.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's just a very confident guy. I like him,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: but like he's got some decent receivers to throw to
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: as well. So it was good to see Ohio state
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: get tested that way. We talked before the game about
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Jay Timmons is going to get tested. I think he
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: came through with flying colors. That's unfortunate. He got injured.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: We talked about it at the start of the show.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: He's riding a bike. He looked fine. Wasn't riding it fast.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like walking normally at a slight limp, but
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the fact that nobody is, worried about him or you
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: know watching him or you know there's no trainers around
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: him so he seems to be like that'll be okay
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: but man he's he's a tough dude and he had
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: some good coverage i think they all had some good
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: coverage but then then later on uh things just kind
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: of broke down a little devin sanchez gave up that
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: long touchdown i don't know if that was uh He
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: fell for a double move or something because I was
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: pretty wide open there at the end down the sideline.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I have to go back and watch and see how
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that one got got open.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that one I was diagonally opposite on the field.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: So I did not have a good view of where
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: where the receiver was on that one. I there was
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: like no real reaction from the crowd. So I like
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: my camera down and thought, oh, it was incomplete. And
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden there's a guy jumping around
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: the end zone. It was like maybe it wasn't upon
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: further review.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe it was.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: A touchdown. Do you have anything that you want to do?
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's, let's go through.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I wanted to, there's a couple of Brett Bielema soundbites
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I wanted to play. Let's start with the one where
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: he's talking about Jeremiah Smith because Jeremiah Smith, and this
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: is kind of the whole, the, the, I want you
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: to watch it.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Don't just listen to it. Watch it. Because it's just
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: kind of the resignation in Brett Bielema.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: It's just kind of like, yeah, man, what do you
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: want me to do? 12 catches, 217 yards, four touchdowns,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: all on 16 targets, 18.1 yards per completion. So let's
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: hear a little bit of Brett Bielema talking about Jeremiah Smith.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: He's pretty good. Yeah, I said it last year. I
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: thought he's. Been in his league especially for a long time,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: but even when I was in the SEC, even when
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: I was in the NFL, you can just see guys
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: that are different type players, right? And he just continues
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: to play extremely big. He's very physical, obviously very dominant
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: after the catch as well. He just runs through a
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: lot of arm tackles, and you get in that kind
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: of space to track him down and play near hip
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: on him with a ball in his hands is very difficult,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: and he's a good player.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: All right, so there's Brett Bielema, and Robert says, hearing
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Brett reference chopping wood was a bit of a jump square,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: because he was talking about their offense.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: This was a separate answer.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: He's talking about their offense and the fact they just
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: have to keep chopping wood.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: It's like, boy, I don't know.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: That I would be jumping in on the Greg Sciano verbiage.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I think there needs to be a new cliche. Let's
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: retire chopping wood.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Listen, if, okay, so we're right next to a river, right?
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: What if there's a boat?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: What would you tell someone to do with their boat?
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: If they were on the river and you were trying
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: to communicate with.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Them, just keep going.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Chop the boat.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, that is exactly it. Well done.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Well done.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: The other thing I wanted to play from the, the
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: be a little press conference was him talking a little
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: bit about Julian saying as a runner. And that was,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: you know, this is something that Ohio state fans have
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: been looking for for a long time. And it's something
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: that our scheme guys were talking about last week, that boy,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: if they had this, That would be, you know, just
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: to know that it's there, to just be able to
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: hold opposing defenses honest. And he had, you know, again,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: it was not incredible, but it was eight-yard gain on
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: third and seven.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: That's huge. That's really big.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: A rush on third and one for four yards, first down.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: A rush for two yards on third and one, first down.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: He had a one-yard gain on third and three. He
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: had a four-yard gain on first and one. He had
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: the touchdown from seven yards out. And then he had
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: a three-yard gain on third and one. So he picked
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: up four first downs and a touchdown on seven rushes.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: And one of them was a first and ten where
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: he turned a, you know, you could throw it away
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: and it would be second and ten, or you could
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: pick up four yards. I mean, that's really six of
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: those seven are wins there. So here's Brett Bielema talking
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: just a little bit about Julian Sane using his legs.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: You know, obviously we played him last year, really almost
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: about this point in the season, I think it was mid-season, right? So,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: you know, he's continued to progress, obviously a different coordinator,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: but you can just see his ability. And I think
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: he does have sneaky legs, like he stays alive and
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: throws it. And then obviously the scramble for the touchdown there,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: that was a critical, you know, play down there that
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: he got around the edge. And obviously we had a
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: three technique that fell down the ground and then he
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: rushed inside. So, if we just keep him in the pocket,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I think then you can kind of dictate the throws
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: and where they're going. But yeah, he's a dangerous quarterback.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: And I think he, his, his, I always say this,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: the most dangerous quarterbacks are the ones that create plays
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: with their legs.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Because not necessarily, I don't know. I think, you know,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: nobody ever has a, a really successful quarterback. Who's like
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: a third string running back. That's not the, but when
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: they can stay alive and create plays with their legs,
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: even our guy did it at times. That's a, that's
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: a really big deal.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: All right. So there's, there's Brett and you know, he's,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: he is great because he always, you're going to just get, whatever.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: There is no filter there. There has never been a
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: filter there. Normally that kind of grows on you with age.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Nope, not with Brett.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Just watching him, he's like rubbing his head. He looks
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: like a father talking to a police officer trying to
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: get his 14-year-old out of trouble. Like, look, I know
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: he shouldn't have been spray painting the school. He's a
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: good kid. His mom has been after him. He's just like, oh,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: this kid, I can't... He's like, I couldn't... Another first
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: down from this guy. I think what you were saying there, Tom,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: earlier with the Julian saying stuff is they fixed the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: short yardage situation. Like, just run Julian, sneak it, and
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that works.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hang the banner. TK says, chop the boat.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I think we've got something there.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I don't not like it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Was a game where it felt like you solved some problem.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: And then you saw some things that people have been
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: waiting to see. And then, you know, it's like the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: story of the kid with his finger in the dam,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, look, they stopped it there.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: There's another leak there.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I don't know that there is anyone nationally.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: I think right now Ole Miss is getting clobbered by Florida.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Vegas, man.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I think part of this is a reflection of
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the realities of college football now, which is– you go
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: back to 2019 and look at LSU and Ohio state
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: and Clemson, and all of those teams are probably beating
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: every team in the nation this year by two touchdowns.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is, it is night and day in
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: terms of the amount of depth that a lot of
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: these teams have. And, you know, you can look around
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the country and who would you, you know, Ohio state
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: fans are again, like, like they just want to jump
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: off the roof right now because it's, no one has
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: ever had it as bad as they do right at
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: this exact moment. And it's like, okay, Who would you
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: clearly trade places with right now? Because I will tell you,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: a week ago, everyone couldn't wait to trade places with
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Ole Miss because they have Trinidad Chambliss. And Trinidad Chambliss is, man,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: if Ohio State just had a Trinidad Chambliss, they'd be unstoppable.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: And last I saw, it was 17-3 Florida beating Ole
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Miss right now.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: 17-6 now.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, is that me? I take it all back.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: At the half, 10 and 13 for 88 yards.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Would you trade places with Florida?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: No.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Would you trade places with LSU?
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: No.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Would you trade places with Georgia, maybe?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Oregon?
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: No.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: You've got people, I think we all get texts throughout
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the day from friends and people who are Ohio State
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: fans who are very upset. This team isn't going to
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: win at all. This team has problems. showed me the
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: team that does not have problems. Did anybody watch Northwestern
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: in Indiana last night and see how that one went?
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I had somebody who is down in Atlanta text me.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: He's like, this Ohio State team has issues. I'm like,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: who doesn't? Is Georgia? He's like, no, I watch Georgia.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: They've got issues.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Everybody has issues. You notice the issues that your team
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: has because you're paying closer attention and you're more... Everybody
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: has issues right now.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: There's Who is, you know, Ohio State earlier this week
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: was still the betting favorite to win the national championship.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Does Ohio State have issues? Absolutely they do. No one
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: is saying they don't have issues.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I'm sure we're going to be talking about the defensive
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: line a whole bunch this week. I'm sure we're going
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: to be talking about the defense on the whole, a
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: whole bunch, the run defense, a whole bunch this week.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: But everybody's got issues. You cannot stockpile talent the way
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: you used to be able to. And so everybody's got holes.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Everybody has holes.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: That's one of my things. Too many people are looking
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: at the issues and forgetting to enjoy the fact that
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you just watched Jeremiah Smith go for four touchdowns.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: On a sunny, 70-degree, I mean, the most perfect college
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: football day in the history of college football days. And
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: then the stands are halfway empty.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's why they left. Because it's such a
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: nice day. It's California. There's too many things to do.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that. Maybe it's the traffic, Tony. I've
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: heard that one, too.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Because I had somebody, I tweeted a picture out of
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the half-empty stands and the north stands at the end
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: of the third at some point. Where did all these
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: people go? And somebody responded, it's too expensive to go.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Those people were already there.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: They were there.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: They went home.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: And sure, it was, what, 21 to 10 or whatever
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: at the half, but still. I don't know how many
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: times I went home from a Big Ten game back
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: when I was a student, way back in the day,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: after paying $ 11 for a student ticket. That was a
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: good mile.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I remember leaving the 1999 Illinois game early, but that
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: was a very different kind of game. I'm just looking
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: at the Texas-Tennessee game, and Tennessee averaged 2.9 yards per
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: play and also almost won the game. 2.9 yards per play.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: And so Texas, which is, you know, Texas is undefeated.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: And right now, Texas is kind of the default answer
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: for who would you trade your places with. Texas was
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: down 20 points at home. Texas barely beat Tennessee. And
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Tennessee is not, like, Tennessee is not phenomenal this year.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Tennessee is a deeply flawed team.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: They must have.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Scored on a non.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: They must have scored on a punt return.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: So they are.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: So, you know, so Texas has special teams problems right now.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Texas fans are pulling their hair out because their special
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: teams are so bad. And, you know, this is just
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: you have to kind of make friends with the fact
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that this is you are not going to have by
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: far the most talented team in the country anymore.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: The talent is just too distributed right now, which is
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: great for the sport. It's phenomenal for the sport.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: And it's not like Ohio state has been left behind
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: by this trend. Ohio state is still a, you know,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: we number seven in the country and they have a
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: very difficult schedule this year, but they also lost to
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the number one team in the nation on the road
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: by one point. And so there's nothing that tells you, Oh, this,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: this Ohio state team can't possibly compete this year.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Everybody is flawed.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Arch Manning last week against Texas, San Antonio, 16 of
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: 32 for 161 yards and a 30 to six win that.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: would not go over well for Julian saying right at
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Ohio state 14.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: For 19 for 201 yards, no touchdowns in one pick today.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: So 74%, hooray, 201 yards, no touchdowns, one pick like, yeah.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And they ran for 1.7 yards per carry.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: So if you want to go find a perfect team,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: keep looking or just, you know what, stick with the
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: team you've been with throughout all of this, the team
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that has caused you so much pain. And once or
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: twice a decade makes you happy. And I'm not complaining
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: about the fans or anything like that. It's just like,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: there's nobody out there that is head and shoulders above anybody.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: So feel free to be excited when your team wins.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're allowed to just sort of enjoy a.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Comfortable, never got really nerve-wracking win over a team that's
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I'm going to guess they're going to go to a
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: bowl this year, Illinois.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: That's probably a bowl, you know, at least a 500
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: kind of team.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Depending on their schedule.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, but that's probably the next two easiest. I
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: think they're probably better. They're ahead of Maryland's right now.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I think, I think I have questions about where Northwestern ranks.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Cause I thought before the season, Northwestern was going to
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: be a real easy win for Ohio state. Now it's
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: looking like, yeah, that might be kind of a pain
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: in the butt.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: So, um, Yeah, like the whole Big Ten is UCLA
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: just whooped up on Maryland, and Mike Loxley's probably not
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: going to be around much longer. I saw a tweet like, well,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: his buyout right now would be $ 9. 6 million by the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: end of the season. I'm like, what are you waiting on? Yeah, right.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Would you like me to stroke you a check? I
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: know Under Armour stock is not what it used to be,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: but you could be able to. And you're also at
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: a point where they have done the let's sink some
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: money into the roster thing. And let's, you know, spend
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: the money on the players instead of spending money on
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: a buyout, which is a great idea.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: But then if it doesn't work, then the next year
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: you've got to cut bait.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: And, you know, Florida State's probably in that spot. Wisconsin,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: we'll see how the Wisconsin season goes. You know, Maryland brought.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: In Zion Ely.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: They brought in Zaheer Mathis, who was the kid who
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: was committed to Ohio State at one point. They've got
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: some talent on that team. Malik Washington, their quarterback, is
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: like a very talented quarterback.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: But it just, it's not perfect. it's just not coming
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: together there.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I mentioned to somebody on the, on the Ohio state
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: beat in the post game, we're talking about Maryland and
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Malik Washington. I'm like Malik Washington next year, next year,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I started quarterback. He's like, will you say that on
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: my show? Like, no, I'm not saying that anywhere.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: I said, well, I have, I have bad news. Do
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: you see the camera?
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: The, the time I thought that today was after Illinois
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: punter killed two different punts inside the five. And I thought,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: you know, before the game, I thought, I need to
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: make sure I get a picture of Champ Smith, who's.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: The offensive lineman. Like, that was, he was in, who
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: was the safety for Minnesota last year?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Coy Perich.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Coy Perich, yeah, he is in Club Perich, where before
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: the game, I think, I should probably get a file photo,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: just in case.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: And not to interrupt you, but like, with the run defense,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm saying, you know, enjoy the win, like, we will.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: when ohio state loses again or if they lose again
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: we'll say like well we saw signs against illinois like
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: oh yeah but we're also talking about that now we
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: will talk about it then but we can also spend
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: time talking about some other things along the way but
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: yeah the uh the punt joe mcguire's punt he like
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: it's a missile right like it's a low lighting this
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: is gonna skip and go like a long way it's
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: gonna hit at the like the 30 and bounce to
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the one it like hits at the 30 and then
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: somehow like i don't backspin or whatever it's like dies.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: This is not even possible i i that one i
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: don't remember lars rao the punter for ill for illinois
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: uh two punts averaged 47 and a half uh both
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: of them killed inside the i must have been inside
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: the at least the 10 if not five it was
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: it was.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: A uh impressive uh impressive.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah he was their uh One of their secret
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: weapons today. Yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Just looking through to see if there's anything else. I
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: think we've gotten through all of our soundbites because I
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: know we heard from Peyton Pierce earlier.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I want to throw this one up there from Jordan Kapler.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, Jordan says, a bit of a weird game at times.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Many things to be happy about, none of which are
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: thanks to Tony, which, yeah, you know what? Unless you
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: had a role in getting Jeremiah Smith to come to Columbus,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I think that might be true.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sure the sliding doors of We can figure out
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: something that made this happen. Like I did when I
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: was a child, we did go to Orlando and I
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: was stung by a jellyfish. There was a doctor there
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: who chewed up a cigarette to put it on my
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: arm to ease the pain. And that doctor was Jeremiah
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Smith's father's uncle's neighbor. Wow.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: That is incredible.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's just like, I love the idea of
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: a Florida doctor who just happened to be chewing on
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: cigarettes on the beach, and it's like, well.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: He had cigarettes. He was smoking them. He only needed
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: to chew one. Once he saw a kid with a
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: jellyfish thing, he's like, watch this. Watch me take... Watch
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: me handle these rubes. Didn't let him pee on me, though.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I said no. I was....
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: I thought, well, good.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: We managed to get past this without going to the
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: thing that I was very concerned it was going to.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: And then boom, right into Moon River.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Boom, second encore.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: What is to you right now the biggest concern with
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: this Ohio State team? What is the thing where right
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: now you look and you say, and you can't.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Just say the defense. It has to be a position group.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: It has to be an element of what is the
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: one thing right now that you look at and you say, yeah,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: obviously odds are they're not going to win the national
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: championship because odds are no one's going to win that.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: You know, no team is odds on favor to win,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: but if they don't win the national championship, the most
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: likely thing that prevents them from doing that is going
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: to be what?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: You know, I think I like the secondary. I'm wondering
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: if the past, the lack of pass rush lessons that secondary,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: because I wouldn't have said run defense before today, but,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: But like, I'm trying to figure out, is it the
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: run defense? Is it the pass rush? I think the
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Ohio state running game, it'll work itself out enough. There's
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: no explosiveness there yet, but you still have an explosive
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: offense in the passing game and maybe they can pass
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: to win. But I think there needs to be something
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback to help out that secondary
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: because the secondary is good for the first half. And
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: then they started to get eaten up a little bit.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: So I'm, I don't know. I'm, I want to see more,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I guess, from the run defense to think that that's
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: the biggest issue. But clearly, it is an issue. But
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: where are you?
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the defensive line.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: And that sort of encompasses the rushing issues that you
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: saw today, the opponent rushing, but also the pass rush.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: There have been plenty of years where Ohio State could just...
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, Larry Johnson used to just four down one gap,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: you know, get pressure.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: And, you know, if, if you're playing a really good team.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: You might need to blitz someone at some point, but
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: it was just so you could just out talent people. And,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: you know, that's another spot where they have missed out
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: on some guys, which, you know, NIL, you look at guys,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: guys who they were in on pretty, pretty, uh, comprehensively
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: pretty far into the cycle. And then, you know, Justin
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Scott and Damon Wilson and all those guys end up
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: somewhere else.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Justin Scott, a former commit. Yes. Right. Yeah.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: And, and who was the other kid that went to Miami?
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Marcus Lightfoot. Lightfoot. Yeah.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: I kept thinking Hightower was like, no, that's not it.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Marcus Marquis Lightfoot. I mean, but you've got all those guys,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: but then you also have Jarquez.
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: Carter, transfers well the entire 2025 2025 interior defensive line
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: class transferred and a bunch of those guys were kind
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: of projects and you're probably not going to miss them
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: but Jarquez Carter was.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: A guy who last year we thought okay they've really
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: got something here and then he transferred out and so
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: and the guys they've brought in have been like John
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Walker I think has been pretty good James Smith hasn't
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: lived up to what I was sort of expecting Clay
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Russo hasn't lived up to what I was expecting uh
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Bo Atkinson has not turned into an impact player at
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: all like.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: They've had they've had some hits but some misses and that's.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of life in the portal if
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: you're not shopping at the absolute top of the market
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: and you cannot shop at the absolute top of the
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: market at every position all the time can't.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Do it no and we're seeing with the recruiting of
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: the defensive line now they're putting some money some a
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: lot of money there for 2027 and 2028 will help
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: them obviously this year but yeah i think uh Because
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: with the running game, the Ohio State running game, hey,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: if you're only going to get five yards every carry,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: you know what? You're going to win.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: So, like, there's that aspect of it. Like, no home runs.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: It is what it is. Can you keep the offense
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: on track? And then can you pick up three yards
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: on a pass to Jeremiah Smith? Probably.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Probably.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: But with the defensive line, yeah, because we're talking stopping
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the run or getting to the passer, it's that group
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: that is the issue. And I think that's what we
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: pointed to. before the season as well, whereas the linebackers,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: you know there's going to be a dip. You're not
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: going to be as good or nearly as good, but
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I think they've got some pieces there that I just
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: don't know. Sonny Stiles and Arvell Reese with this defensive line,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: they'd be better, but they wouldn't be as good as
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: they were last year.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: You lost Arvell, you lost Sonny, but you also lost
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Caleb Downs behind them. You lost Caden McDonald in front
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: of them. You lost Caden Curry in front of them.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: And those five guys, those are five guys who were
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: either first-team All-Americans or top 50 NFL draft picks, and
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: many of them were top 10 NFL draft picks. That
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: is not– I mean– go back to this spring we
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: were telling you this spring this is not going to
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: be as good in ohio state defense because they are
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: they are going to you know and maybe they could
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: figure it out and maybe they could make it up
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: and you could sort of piece things together and money
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: ball it was to a certain degree but they did
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: not have.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Three future top.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: 10 nfl picks on this draft and this on this
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: team at least not guys who are draft eligible next
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: year you know maybe you know jay timmons may get
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: there at some point but he's a true freshman so
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: you've got you know devin sanchez has been okay, but
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: hasn't taken that next step to, you know, we, we
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: thought based on what we saw last year, Hey, maybe
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: this is someone who's going to be a first team
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: all big.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: 10 right now. Doesn't look like that. He hasn't been bad,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: but he hasn't been that much of a step forward either.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I think he's been okay. I thought Jermaine Matthews has
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: also done well. He needs to, like I told him,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I think I told Jack, like he could never play shortstop.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: because of his two dropped interceptions. They're down on the ground.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: At least he's getting in front of the ball. He's
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: not going to down. I thought he's played well, but
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: in the second half, they gave up some catches. Frankly,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: against Texas, they didn't necessarily give up the catches, but they.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Gave up the opportunities.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: They would be helped a ton by a better pass
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: rush and quarterback that isn't just Right. Yeah.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: If you can, if you can get the quarterback off
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: platform and I mean, like some of the throws today
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: were just kind of tip your cap throws where for sure,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: you know, Devin.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Sanchez, there was one, it was an out on the early.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Left sideline and Devin Sanchez is making a play on
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: the ball and he's got his hand here. And like,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: he's got his hand here and the ball's like there.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: And it's like just past a minute, just right into
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: the receiver. And it's, it's like, that was good coverage.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: There was, there was, and you know, there were a
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: couple where I think Jermaine Matthews had one that was
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: like that as well, where you just like, I mean,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: you're playing a reasonably good team. The defense, the Illinois
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: defense was not good.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: The Illinois offense was perfectly, perfectly fine.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: And they had some answers there in that, in that game.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, you do have to, you know,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: not everything bad that happened for the Ohio state defense
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: was just the Ohio State defense did something wrong. It's like,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: you know, the Illinois offense is not bad this year.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: No, and I think they're going to put some points
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: up on some people as well. Super Chat from SW Ohio,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: one of our members over on the Buckeye Insiders message board. Wow,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I had some expectations for Legend Bay. He came up
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: a bit short. Never saw him. Never saw him today.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Devin McKeown was back on kickoff returns, and we know
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: he hurt his ankle in that first game, or in
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: the last game, so Maybe they were just giving him
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: a rest, but also there were opportunities. If you wanted
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: to play him, you could have played him. But I mean,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Isaiah West only got two carries.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: So they were throwing the ball so much in this
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: one that, and you know, they can't throw the ball
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: to the legend bag, but they were throwing the ball
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: and that's how they're choosing to move the ball. I
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: don't know. I guess, like you said, this is one
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: of those games where it tells you an awful lot
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: about how they feel about people. And it's still going
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: to be up to legend to continue to build that
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: trust because Anytime any coach talks about him, it's about
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: building that trust. And, and that's when, when they continue
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: to say something over and over and over again about
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: a player, it's okay to listen. Yeah.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: And you know, they're going to, they're going to show
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: you what they think of a guy. And with legend,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I saw someone asking you if legend Bay was hurt.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Legend Bay was not on the availability report as any
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: point this week. So I do not think this was
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: a held out for medical reasons. This was not a,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: can he play? Can't he play? He was not on
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: the report at any point this week. So, I don't
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: think it was that. I think this is a trust thing.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: And I think it's probably a trust thing with Kari Wilder.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably a trust thing with if there's
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: a talented young guy and you're thinking, boy, why are
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: they playing Brock Boyd and Chris Henry Jr. so much
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: more than they're playing Legend Bay? Because they trust Chris
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Henry Jr.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: And Brock Boyd a lot more. It's not that the.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Running back room is this insurmountable obstacle where it's the
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: 1991 Ohio State running back room where it's Robert Smith
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: and Eddie George and on and on and on.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: It's you know they're they want more they are.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Not thrilled with the ohio state running back room right
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: now it's fine but it's not where it needs to
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: be so if they thought he was ready and they
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: could trust him to be out there in good in
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: big moments or you know medium-sized moments but you know
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: if the fact that he had those two kickoff returns
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: against ball state the fact that he had the play
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: against uh last week against kent state where it looked
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: like he was kind of like it was it's the
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: same thing that we saw with Sabian Heider and Bryce Underwood,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: where it's a true freshman and he's trying to take
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: the handoff and it's a read and the quarterback's trying
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: to pull the ball and the running back takes it
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: and you end up with a negative play as a result.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: That is not a unique thing.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: We follow, we watch two teams on a weekly basis
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: and we have seen a talented true freshman have that
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: exact thing happen.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Without really seeing it spoken about much before and then boom,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: within back-to-back weeks, you see it happen, but they do
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: want a more explosive running game. They know what he's
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: capable of. And yet it's still like, I think Ross
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: has even said him taking that, that, that carrier, that,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: that handoff cost them a touchdown on what would have
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: been a read and an RPO pass. So that's like,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: if a mature freshman who can create stuff, but also
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: cost you stuff, it's like, you don't know what you're
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: going to get in the big 10. And I'm not
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: expecting to see much of him, If they won't play
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: him at home against Illinois right now, unless he has
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: a fantastic week, I would not expect to see him
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: get the ball at Iowa when any play could be like, oh,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: now this is– Well.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're– this is– you're going into a game now
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: that every time, you know, Ohio State goes to Iowa. Now,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: the last time Ohio State went to Iowa, someone scored
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: 50 points and it wasn't Ohio State. Yeah, I remember
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: seeing something like that. I'm sure I would have heard.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Every time you go to Iowa, my assumption is, do
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: you remember the 2008 Ohio State-Penn State game where it
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: was like a night game in Ohio.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Stadium and it was, I think, 6-6 and.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: It's true freshman Terrell Pryor and he gets hit and
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: fumbles and Penn State, it might have been a scoop.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: and score, or it was just, you know, they pick
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: up the fumble and had a short field, whatever it was.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: It was the true freshman, and it makes the one
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: big mistake in a close, gross, low-scoring game. That's, you know,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: you would love to have someone who could be a
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: difference maker out there in a game where you make
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: the one big play, boy... a seven point lead against
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Iowa might be insurmountable, but you don't, you know, you
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: have to be able to trust them to not make
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: that one mistake that then could swing the game the
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: other direction.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: One of the final points for me, four for four
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: from Ohio State in the red zone scoring touchdowns. That's
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: an improvement. Throwing to Jeremiah Smith down in the red zone.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I think I've been the only person to suggest this.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I've not seen it anywhere else. Hey, just throw to
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: number four.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: See what happens.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Finally, somebody listened.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have this vague memory of tweeting something.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Tom, we don't have time for that.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Do we need to talk about who was closer on
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: the final score today?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Sure, go ahead.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Tony said 41-13, which is a good effort, buddy. Really
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: good effort.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I said 42-14, which I got one of the scores
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: exactly right and was off by only five on the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: other one. I think this is, however, the every game
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: this season, we've both been off by no more than
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: seven total points.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: It's been, it's been a pretty good start.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Can't go to Vegas with it, but. Well, yeah.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Well, and you're going to, you can guess any low
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: number next week and be no more than seven points
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: off on what the, what the.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Oh man. Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: And you know, a couple of people in.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: The chat, you know, Illinois said SC bucket says Illinois
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: is an eight 14. I think that's like exactly right.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're seven and five, but, but, I haven't looked
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: at their schedule. They have a schedule where they get
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Maryland and Rutgers and Michigan State and Minnesota. They're an
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: 8-4 team in the old Big Ten West, for sure.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: They've got Purdue at home, Michigan State at Michigan State,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Oregon at home, at Maryland, Nebraska at home, at UCLA,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Iowa at home, and then at Northwestern. I think they're
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: going to make teams earn it.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Let's hit a couple photos because I see some photos
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: loaded in here. This is Philip Bell.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: He only had one catch today, but made a nice
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: jumping leaping catch and then signaled first down right there.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: You let everybody know that way because you don't know
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: unless the player does it.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: The guys with the sticks on the sidelines are waiting
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: nervously like, what do you think?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I was going to bring something up about Colin Simmons,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: but people out there will know what I'm talking about.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: I won't bring it up here.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: That would have been a smooth transition earlier in the show,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: but here's Julian Sayen.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: Breaking free.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: You can see the look of just disgust on Brent
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Beal in his face in the background.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Resignation.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Resignation, yes. Ohio State did, in fact, get to the quarterback.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: There is photo-proof Kenyatta Jackson with one of.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: The three sacks. A little bit of a coverage sack there. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: But Kenyatta Jackson, for all the conversation about the defensive line,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Kenyatta Jackson has been really solid this year. The stats
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: haven't been there, but he's pretty consistently is able to
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: set the edge.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: He, he stays at, you know, he does.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: If Kari Wilder set the edge, like Kenyatta Jackson and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: stayed disciplined, like Kenyatta Jackson. And that's an extremely unfair
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: thing to ask of a true freshman as compared to
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: a fifth year guy.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: But if he did all those things, you'd be seeing
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: a ton of Kari Wilder.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. And then Kenyatta Jackson, there was
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: a third down where Caden Houser, scrambled left and picked
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: up the first down and there was like nobody over
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: on the left side and that was because kenyatta jackson
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: was out in coverage uh-huh it's like yeah yeah all
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: right whatever uh.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah smith four touchdowns you would think one of the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: touchdowns would happen on the same side of the field
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: that i was.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: On i changed sides of the field at one point
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: nope always on.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: The other side of the field selfishly and hiding behind
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  Speaker 2: officials on two of them as well it's like Were
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  Speaker 2: you afraid?
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  Speaker 3: Four touchdowns. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I was hiding
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  Speaker 3: behind Urban Meyer, who just kept walking in front of
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  Speaker 3: us for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was... Did you see the touchdown that got reviewed?
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  Speaker 1: Were you able to watch that on the big screen?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, where he got left foot down and then right
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  Speaker 2: foot down half a second later.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hit the ref between me and that on
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  Speaker 3: that one.
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  Speaker 1: Good job.
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  Speaker 3: I should have put up a photo gallery of just
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: all the times refs were in the way.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: You could throw that up to that Twitter account that.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Has the refs in the way or whatever. Yes, yeah.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Between the refs and the Fox Steadicam guy, who is
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: just the bane of my existence at these noon games.
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  Speaker 3: And then that's Jeremiah Smith-Holland. That was, I think, on
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  Speaker 3: the opening drive there. So, yeah, there you go. I
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: think we've kind of hit the.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: I think we've hit most of our high points.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what I will say is this is going
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: to be dissected all week long over at BuckeyeInsiders.com. A
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: bunch of exes knows what went wrong with the defense,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: how are things with the Ohio State running game. All
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: of the questions that you have, similar to the questions
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: that you had against Kent State or Texas, we are
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: dissecting that over at BuckeyeInsiders on our scheme portion of
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: the site where we got written and also plenty of
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: video content, so Look for that this week. How bad
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: was it? That sort of thing. How good was it?
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: We'll break it down and explain it all to you.
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  Speaker 1: When I say we, not me. It's Tom and it's
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Ross Fulton and it's Michael Pettit and it's Justin Whitlatch.
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  Speaker 1: The three X's and O's guys that we have over there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just there because the video needs to be edited.
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  Speaker 1: If this interests you at all, come find us over there.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: We're also talking about it on the message board as well.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: talking about this game, talking about everything. We'll be talking
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: about Iowa. The game threat will go up probably about
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: five minutes after you get home, probably.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I might remember to start it before I leave here.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: And then we will also be on the road to
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Iowa before the end of the week, and I'm looking
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: forward to that. I always enjoy being there. We're going
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: to have a bunch of coverage there, coverage before then,
• 1:05:25
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• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know, can you hype a live video after
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: the fact?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so, but you can go watch the
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Brett Bielema press conference. Brett Bielema, very entertaining. Hype that.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Go back and watch some of our... That's very good.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Go back and watch some of our scheme coverage from
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  Speaker 2: earlier in the week because I think you're going to
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: watch that and go, son of a gun, they were right.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Hype that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: That's great.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Then we will have plenty of scheme coverage coming for
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: you all week long and If you enjoy that, you
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: will really enjoy being on the Insiders board because our
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: guys are around all the time answering questions.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: You have questions. You have specific questions.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: That is the best way to get stuff in front
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: of them. So, yeah, join us at BuckeyeInsiders.com.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. That will do it for me.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you all for tuning in, and we will talk
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: to you all.