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#445: Switching Careers, Schizophrenia, Travel Anxiety · Pod Therapy

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  Speaker 1: Something for warmth because it's three degrees.
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  Speaker 2: People are doing it as a look. Yeah, oh I
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  Speaker 2: don't know about that. Oh yeah, I don't feel good
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  Speaker 2: about that. I'm not okay with it.
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  Speaker 1: They've got a new suit. It has a wool blend.
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  Speaker 1: They don't publish how much wool is in that legal
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  Speaker 1: reason chat GPT estimates somewhere between forty eight percent and
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  Speaker 1: wool is.
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  Speaker 2: Felled with a you, so we have no idea what
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  Speaker 2: animal this came from. We're kicking off our questions today.
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  Speaker 1: Does this say it came from sheep with a question mark?
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  Speaker 1: It is sheep? Sheep good? Why like sheep? Sheep is good?
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  Speaker 1: It's a sheep like animals, right right? Sheep like substance.
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  Speaker 2: As it comes from field?
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  Speaker 1: What is this? Where's a cow?
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  Speaker 2: It's giving cow. We've got our first question today. It's
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  Speaker 2: about switching careers or keeping volunteering.
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  Speaker 3: Hi.
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  Speaker 2: I started listening to your show this year from episode
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  Speaker 2: one and I'm on episode two. Hundred and twenty now
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  Speaker 2: about Nick and Jim's plumbing issues and how we all
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  Speaker 2: need to know where the water's shut off out.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for breaking this up.
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  Speaker 4: You finally got to the most important part of this.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, actually we're gonna stop the letter right there.
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  Speaker 2: So here's what happened in my bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I found water was pooling at the bottom of like
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  Speaker 2: the shower and the toilet, and it was just staying there.
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  Speaker 2: And so I had a guy come out to check
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  Speaker 2: for mold, and he had to like rip up the
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  Speaker 2: linoleum and shit, and there was mold like on the
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  Speaker 2: actual wood.
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  Speaker 1: In the news story.
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  Speaker 2: Oh this is new. No, this is not throwback, No,
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  Speaker 2: this is this is happening now with the house. It's
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  Speaker 2: a fucking problem, dude. Mold is a whole last thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Gather around, kids, let's get this. It's now time for
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  Speaker 2: doctor Jim Jovin's latest tale of whoa do you have
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  Speaker 2: any goddamn idea how much it costs to like check
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  Speaker 2: for mold? Okay, and then when they find it, which
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  Speaker 2: of course they do, then then they have to rip
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  Speaker 2: out the entire floor and like build a new house
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  Speaker 2: because apparently everything's been condamninate.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't tell your homeowner's insurance? So did you? No good?
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  Speaker 1: Is that bad?
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  Speaker 2: Why would you hide that?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 3: You you did tell your homeowners insurance? No okay, why
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  Speaker 3: would you hide what?
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  Speaker 2: Why would I hide it from the insurance?
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  Speaker 1: Why would you ride what from the insurance?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: God? Am I in trouble?
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  Speaker 1: How I mean if you want to?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you're trying to tell me that this
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  Speaker 2: is like.
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  Speaker 1: The radio.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, you can said on the radio radio get
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  Speaker 3: in trouble, can hold it against you for approximately three
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  Speaker 3: to four years?
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  Speaker 1: Oh no?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Did you? Are you having somebody do it? What are
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  Speaker 1: they doing?
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  Speaker 2: So the guy had come out what they rip the
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  Speaker 2: linoleum back and check because it was wet down there
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  Speaker 2: and figured it out. So then they see that there's
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  Speaker 2: some mold, so they have to like check how bad
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  Speaker 2: it is, like if it's under the floorboard or something.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: And so I guess we didn't get off that bad
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  Speaker 2: with it. But then you have to pay for the
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  Speaker 2: dudes to come out and do it like a professional
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  Speaker 2: cleaning of it, to like kill it.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, this is okay? Yeah, so that's what I'm you
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  Speaker 1: can do that you can do that, or you go out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like you go in there and you you
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  Speaker 1: clean it up real good, like you scrape everything. You
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  Speaker 1: you get it all in there, and then you just
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  Speaker 1: get you know, like a spray, you know, one of
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  Speaker 1: those big spray like a pump sprayer. Okay, and you
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  Speaker 1: just spray bleach water on there and just kill everything. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Is that all they're doing basically, I mean, they're just
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  Speaker 1: killing it, dude. They're charging a lot of money. I
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  Speaker 1: bet they are. What do you what do you.
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  Speaker 2: Estimate this is for small bathrooms.
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  Speaker 1: Also, you live in the desert, so you're not going
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  Speaker 1: to have like a continuing mold problem because you're fixing
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  Speaker 1: the water leak problem. Well that's it.
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  Speaker 2: This this already is referencing that time that the water
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  Speaker 2: poured through my air vents and the office during this inspection.
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  Speaker 2: I actually had the dude go ahead and check inside
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  Speaker 2: the air vent. He said, I'm may, okay, have not
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  Speaker 2: been breathing in mold for the less, No.
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  Speaker 1: Because you don't have you don't have a continuing water
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  Speaker 1: source that's anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing that everything's gonna dry out, you know,
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  Speaker 2: an hour.
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  Speaker 1: So like you we're gonna they're gonna chlorox this thing
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  Speaker 1: or whatever they're gonna spray on it.
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  Speaker 2: But this is next to the bathtub and the toilet,
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  Speaker 2: so it's been getting.
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  Speaker 4: The water coming from it.
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  Speaker 2: Was it would pull up I think whenever people would shower,
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  Speaker 2: like my kids would just shower and they'd get it
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  Speaker 2: all wet, and it would like it just wouldn't dry
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  Speaker 2: because like I don't know, like even though everything dries
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  Speaker 2: in Nevada, but for whatever reason, it would just pull up.
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  Speaker 2: And there may have been like a leak or something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, because it seemed like.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like the seal wasn't there. Oh oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this seal should have been taking care of it. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think the cost is? So it's about the
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  Speaker 1: size of this chase couch, like not even the full thing. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So just like the first half, that's about the linola
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  Speaker 1: deep have to go.
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  Speaker 4: They got to pull out the floor, the viral, then
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  Speaker 4: they got to pull out the probably that was.
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  Speaker 2: The thing they kept threatening to do. They said, if
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  Speaker 2: it gets bad, we got to pull out the sub floor.
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  Speaker 2: And they basically said at that point, you're fucked, Like
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  Speaker 2: you should strongly consider hospice I'll.
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  Speaker 4: Bet they're doing five thousand.
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  Speaker 1: What what do you think if they're over a thousand?
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  Speaker 2: Again, though it's not the sub floor. They told me that.
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  Speaker 2: It's I beat that.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're over a thousand, I'd tell them to
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  Speaker 1: take a walk.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Jacob, we're two thousand and one, said five hundred.
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  Speaker 2: I was pretty upset about that.
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  Speaker 1: Five hundred bucks. Are they going to fix? Are they?
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  Speaker 1: Are they fixing it?
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  Speaker 4: Almost five hundred bucks? Oh that's what they said. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: So at the end of that's nothing. At the end
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  Speaker 4: of five hundred dollars, again, you win your money. Flexes, okay,
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  Speaker 4: buy in suits. You know, I even checked then a
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  Speaker 4: lot of years.
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  Speaker 2: It's time for a fucking audit, all right, Jim, Oh, Jim,
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  Speaker 2: you need to put in more.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on? I don't understand? All right, what will
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  Speaker 1: you have? Like what are they going to leave the
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  Speaker 1: house with when when they're done with the job, Like,
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  Speaker 1: are they are they like putting everything back together? They're
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  Speaker 1: they're putting a.
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  Speaker 2: That's you're going to do the clean out? And then
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  Speaker 2: I got to pay a floor guy to do floor.
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  Speaker 1: And then what is what is the state of it
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  Speaker 1: right now?
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  Speaker 2: It's peeled back linoleum.
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  Speaker 1: I'd fucking scrape it and spray it and then get
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  Speaker 1: the floor guy in there and say put it all
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  Speaker 1: back together. Okay, put it in a put it in
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  Speaker 1: a bit, Jacob, I just did. You don't understand. I
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  Speaker 1: just did the amount of work I'm willing to do
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  Speaker 1: on this project.
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  Speaker 4: Labor, and expect my invoice is.
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  Speaker 1: Not going to be thrilled reporting it to the insurance company.
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  Speaker 1: After this conversation sensed when you walked in the door.
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  Speaker 1: That's why the welcome Matt says that all right, because
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  Speaker 1: I had a similar.
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  Speaker 4: Situation because I just had somebody come out because our
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  Speaker 4: our water dispenser and the refrigerator is not working, like
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  Speaker 4: it stopped working. Come with the house, Yes, okay, fridge
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  Speaker 4: did not come with house. We bought the fridge brand new,
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  Speaker 4: so I called the fridge. It was under warranty, okay.
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  Speaker 4: So somebody came out looked at it, so he's like, okay, yep,
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  Speaker 4: and then he pulls it away from the wall and
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  Speaker 4: then he tries.
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  Speaker 1: To get water out of the valve in the wall.
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  Speaker 4: And he was doing the same thing, so he's like,
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  Speaker 4: it's not the refrigerator that you're plumbing. So had somebody
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  Speaker 4: come out plumber and he's like, yeah, we're gonna have
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  Speaker 4: to replace this valve because he checked everything else, check
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  Speaker 4: the water pressure in the house, everything was good. He's like,
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  Speaker 4: it's this valve. So to get to that valve, he
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  Speaker 4: had to tear out the dry wall. And then I
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  Speaker 4: was like, okay, are you going to put the dry
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  Speaker 4: wall back in? He's like, I'm not a.
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  Speaker 2: Guy.
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  Speaker 3: I've learned that. We still in our garage have like just.
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  Speaker 4: So there's a hole there now, So I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 4: the dry wall guy and then I'm going.
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  Speaker 3: To our house. You're gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: Dry Wall's easy.
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  Speaker 3: I can do that, I know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's easy enough that the plumber can do it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, when something goes wrong in your house, it's
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  Speaker 2: the give him ouse a cookie situation. You call the
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  Speaker 2: first person. And that's what happened with the mold thing.
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  Speaker 2: We call the first guy. He checks, Yeah, there's mold, Like, great,
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  Speaker 2: can you clean it?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: I don't clean mold.
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  Speaker 3: I detect old.
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  Speaker 2: Here's you guys doing this baton handoffs.
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  Speaker 1: You guys need a general contract. Ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: So he sends me to another guy, and that guy's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the mold cleaning guy. I'm like, great, how much
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  Speaker 2: you charge? He comes out and inspects it. He goes, Yep,
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  Speaker 2: it's definitely molding. Like why the first guy to tell
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  Speaker 2: me there's mold. You could tell me there's mos, Like
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  Speaker 2: I need the first guy to verify it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like okay.
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  Speaker 2: So he's like, I'll scrape the mold this much money.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like cool, And then you'll install the floor and
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  Speaker 2: he's like, I'm not the floor guy, and how.
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  Speaker 4: Much is it going to cost?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not the calculator caulator.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is all right. I would I'd tell
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  Speaker 1: him take a walk, I'd scrape it, I'd spray it
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  Speaker 1: with some chlorox and fucking call it a day.
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  Speaker 2: I've just abandoned that.
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  Speaker 1: Listeners. Listeners might crucify me for that. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I laid down a bunch of trash bags and I'm
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  Speaker 2: avoiding it.
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  Speaker 1: But like, we don't have because because I had a
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  Speaker 1: leak in my roof. When we first bought this house,
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  Speaker 1: there was there was a small leak in the front
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  Speaker 1: of the roof and we had water it was it
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  Speaker 1: was going down the front wall. It was going down
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  Speaker 1: inside the front wall, and there was mold in there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, And like that's what I did. I cut
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  Speaker 1: the dry wall out. I replaced all of like the
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  Speaker 1: ship wood and everything, scraped everything, put it all in
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  Speaker 1: a Hudson spray or had Like.
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  Speaker 2: Is that way we all have this cough probably.
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  Speaker 3: Hmmm, very stuffy over here, a little.
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  Speaker 1: Stuffy all right, but yeah, Well it just sprayed it
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  Speaker 1: with that, and like it was perfect it because like
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  Speaker 1: not because of anything. It's just because like the leak.
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  Speaker 3: Got fit the same reason that whenever they're sitting water
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  Speaker 3: in Vegas, I'm like, oh no, there's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: If you can see it, there's I dropped a cup
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  Speaker 1: of water. I was taking it to the sink. The
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  Speaker 1: other day, I dropped a cup of water in the kitchen.
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  Speaker 1: It had probably like a quarter it was probably like
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  Speaker 1: a quarter full. And I looked at that spill and
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  Speaker 1: was like, I'm not sure if this is enough water
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  Speaker 1: to warrant cleaning it up that part of the puddle
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  Speaker 1: right there. I'll get a towel and like give that
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  Speaker 1: a quick wipe up, because that was enough that it's
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  Speaker 1: not going to evaporate in the next ten minutes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the rest will be gone.
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  Speaker 2: Then to jump a pool in my backyard and put
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  Speaker 2: most of the water back into the system. And you
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  Speaker 2: get down to that last bit that the pump can't
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  Speaker 2: touch anymore, and I'll think like, okay, do I need
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  Speaker 2: to like lift the thing and I'll look at it. Nah,
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  Speaker 2: it's July. It'll be fine. Just come out here tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: It'll evaporate overnight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So well right, I hope that helps.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck with your water problems. Glad that we
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: could help you with that. It's been a real fun
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: and insightful podcast to listen to, and I decided to
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: submit questions social that's really cool. And I decided to
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  Speaker 2: submit a question now so that maybe by the time
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  Speaker 2: I get to the latest episode it'll be covered. I'm
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: originally from the US, but I've been working in a
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: foreign country for quite some time now, and I've been
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: volunteering at a suicide hotline for English speakers here for
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  Speaker 2: several years. I work a typical corporate job at a
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  Speaker 2: big tech company, making good money, but it's been very
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  Speaker 2: soul sucking. I don't feel any passion for the job
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  Speaker 2: or the work that I do, since it's all about
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  Speaker 2: just making more money for some already rich CEO. There's
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  Speaker 2: also constant layoffs, so I never feel safe in terms
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: of job security. Volunteering at the Suicide Hotline has been
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  Speaker 2: much more fulfilling and rewarding than my day job, and
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: I've been very involved overall with the organization by becoming
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: an instructor for new joiners and all that, on top
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  Speaker 2: of taking shifts on the line. This type of work
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  Speaker 2: feels like it's my calling and it's something I'm truly
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  Speaker 2: passionate about. It felt like it's what I was meant
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  Speaker 2: to do in life, and so I've always had this
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: thought that I could maybe go back to the US
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  Speaker 2: and get a master's in social work and try to
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  Speaker 2: get into the field. But I also recognize that I'm
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: seeing through rose tinted glasses and there are loads of
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: sacrifices and issues in the field like low pay, burnout,
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  Speaker 2: expensive degrees, losing those degrees to life coaches. So I've
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  Speaker 2: this dilemma. I don't know if he's gotten that far yet.
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  Speaker 2: Episode two twenty, I don't know. Hang in there right,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what this episode just gets worth.
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  Speaker 3: Four hundred that's my trivia.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, twenty eight so I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You bet they're so.
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  Speaker 2: So I have this dilemma where I could continue this
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  Speaker 2: high paying corporate job and volunteer on the side, or
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: go all in and try to switch careers entirely. I
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: thought about trying to get a job in this suicide
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  Speaker 2: hotline organization, but since it's a nonprofit, the positions are
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  Speaker 2: extremely limited. What are your thoughts? Do you know of
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  Speaker 2: anyone that was in a similar situation like this? For context,
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  Speaker 2: I'm in my twenties and don't have much responsibilities or
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: obligations outside of just taking care of myself, so I
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  Speaker 2: do have some freedom here. Thanks. Pronouns are he and
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  Speaker 2: him signed anonymous?
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  Speaker 1: I know what say? Do we already know what this?
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  Speaker 4: Take that money, take that money.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what I would do, do the j Leno thing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, oh it's her. I know exactly where's go.
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  Speaker 4: Live off of your passion project and you're nine to five.
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  Speaker 4: Take that money and just put it in the bank
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  Speaker 4: and just keep taking.
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  Speaker 2: All of that money off possibly hotline money, and live
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  Speaker 2: off sweet volunteer suicide hot pay you per save so
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: you know you get good at it, you get a commission.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, you have a bad streak. Just keep doing this
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  Speaker 4: for five years, I've never gotten a paide.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, man, I really need you to suck it up. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Christmas is coming, I got bills to pay. I really
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: need this.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: Say five stars or it doesn't even count.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: So Nick, your keep your corporate job. But writer says
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: it's soul sucking. Writer says, Look, I don't want to
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: spend my life chasing the money. This is what I love.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: I look forward to this. Yeah, what do you say?
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: So I can see both sides of this, because on
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: one side, I'm looking at that and I'm thinking, yeah,
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: if there's no joy in it, it's terrible and you
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: hate it, then yeah, go find something else to do.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: But then the other side of me, too, is like, well,
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: this isn't supposed to be how you define yourself. Maybe
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: you need to reframe this. This is a job, This
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: pays the bills. This is something you do to get
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: money so that you can live. But it doesn't have
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: to be your identity. It doesn't have to be you know,
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: how you see yourself, or it doesn't have to be
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: a passion project as well. It can be just a job.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I see the art. I like your
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: point there about identity. I think that's important. I can
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: appreciate that the writer might also be saying, like, look,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: this is not how I want to spend forty hours
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: a week, Like I only get so many hours in
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: my life. I don't like this one. I don't like
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: the system my support, I don't like the product that
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I make. I want to do something else. I mean,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: I appreciate the honest struggle the writer's having. I think
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: that's a very honest conversation. I think a lot of
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: people have had is like chase the money or do
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: something that they find more personally fulfilling that probably doesn't
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: pay as much. I mean, if you're in a Hallmark movie,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: it works out really good.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, quit your big.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: City job, girl, and go marry the guy with the
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: pine tree farm.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: It'll be great.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, if you is there an
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: option I don't know how online schooling works, but is
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: there an option to keep your high paying job and
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: just start some classes? Like can you just do both
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: for a little while and feel it out and see
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: if you have the time, the funds and the ability
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: to just start that journey. You don't have to be like,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I'm all in, I'm quitting my job and doing the
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: suicide holine and pursuing, you know, my master's degree. Like,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: is there an option to sort of start that while
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: you're still at the job.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine that many people are gonna are gonna
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: advise you to take this leap. Like nobody, nobody is
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: going to it is gonna is going to say like, yes,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: you should definitely take this this level of risk in
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: your life.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, you should definitely take this level of risk there.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: It is no responsible person is going to tell you that.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know though, because like when your twenties, if
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: you know you can get a I mean, the economy
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: is what it is. But if you why nobody why
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: it's doing it right now? Yeah, but they live in
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: another country. Sounds like so if you feel like, hey, this,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: I could have this soul sucking job anytime. I don't
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: know what your job is, but if you feel like
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: that is a secure type of job.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: You made, they could easily come back to.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you made good connections, you could you could revisit this.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, you're in your twenties, that's
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: when you do leaps of faith ship. Like I don't know,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say don't do it, but yeah, maybe no
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: one's gonna say like one hundred percent go all in.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: But I don't think it's a bad idea if you
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: decide to.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: It really is going to come down to, like if
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: your soul sucking job is like truly horrible and you
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and you're just fucking miserable every day, that's one thing.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: If you don't really love the job, but like it
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: pays the bills and you get and you have really
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: good insurance and you got retirement coming in through it
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: and everything, Like I don't know, I mean you got
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: to you got to weigh the pros and cons on.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I also wonder if this turns into like you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: when you start a side hustle and then people like, oh,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: you could sell those, Like now, my side hustle is
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: what I do to make money, and it's not really
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: like I think I did for fun, is now what
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I do to make money. I do worry a little
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: bit that right now, volunteering is a very selfless act
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: and that feels very good for us as humans. So
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: when you say, hey, should I just quit my soul
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: sucking job and jump into this. I don't I don't
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: know that it will feel the same. I mean some
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: people it does.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: But I mean I know because my mom ran a
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: wildlife refuge huge in Louisiana, rant and like a volunteer
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: program down there and everything for for that, and like
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: there were some people that would come down that she
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: would just be like, I don't know how this person lives.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Like this person has That's the thing, is like this
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: person has some kind of stream of money coming in
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: from somewhere because they are you know, they just they
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: showed up one day with an RV that looks like
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: it's from nineteen eighty and like they said, can I
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: part here on the refuge and in exchange, I will,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you know, mow. And that's just what they do now,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and like.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: They live their life that way and that's it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: So like people do it, yeah, and like I've met
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: people who do it, and people are extraordinarily happy doing it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's for me. I don't think it's
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a lifestyle that that I would.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: That's also because you're against volunteering though, good.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Like why am I working so hard for these animals?
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: I know, what do they they're so soul sucking.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Come on, at least jump through a hoop, you know something.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: So like, I do think that there's something about a
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: writer who's in their twenties asking a bunch of people
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: in their forties. Oh sorry and thirty nine thirties. Yeah,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I got still in her thirties with this kid with us.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: But like, obviously we're biased toward like, yeah, no, do
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: what stable do, what does well financially. But I think
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: when you're in your twenties, the bias is I want
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: to like what I do for the next twenty years.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But then I think all four of us had
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: days in the last twenty years that we liked, in
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: days that were really hard, in years that were really hard,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: and like there's a balanced.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: And I think there's a difference between like I like
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: what I do versus I need to feel passionate about
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: what I do for money. And I think that's the
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: big difference.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: You know, anybody at our age who's that, No, because like,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I'm so passionate. I'm glad I changed careers at twenty
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: years old. I never lost steam.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: No, I don't, because I think when you make it
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: your job, you lose some of that passion. And I think, like, so, like,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: right now, my my personal training business, I'm the busiest
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: I've ever been, like and so it's to that point
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: now where like yeah.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Top Girl Summer with Nick Tang, all these Vietnammese old
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: women kicking down the door. Advertising lately has been crushing
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Gorilla marketing. He's wearing the dukes. Oh sorry, I dropped
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the Oh this is my business card.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Sorry you can.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: You can keep this one.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: But like, if it's if there was ever a time
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: where I could like quit my job and like do
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: this full time, I'm in a good spot. I probably
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: could do that, Okay, but there's no way I would
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: do it right because I like my job enough to
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: keep it my regular job. But then also like it's secure,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: it's safe. The retirement program alone that I've that I've
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: paid into, that'll alone is worth your stay, and so
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: I will stay there until I retire.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Sure you're right about the idea that when right now
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: writer is only a volunteer, you only receive praise, You're
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: everybody is so grateful that you're there, you can't do
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: it wrong. In well, I'm sure you could do a
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: suicide highlight. Wrong, yeah, but like you're not going to
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: be chastised people like you, suck it in here early tomorrow. No, no, no, no,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: you need to get your notes done, like right, it's
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: just thank you so much for being here. You're a
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: hero and so like you're constantly being reinforced with positivity.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Everybody the year around is doing this out of joy
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: as well. But whenever you enter a healthcare profession like
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: social work, you're doing good every day and you're contributing
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: to the world. But it's the job. It's also the
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: job that pays your bills, and any of that comes
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: with the inherent pressure of expectations from other people, criticism, right, ups,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: like all the things that go with an economy inside
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: of a profession. I'll bet that takes away some of
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the saccharine joy. And I feel like we're also shitting
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: on this kid, right like this, this poor bastard is
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: like I'm twenty something, I'm filled with joy, I want
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: to do good in the world. I'm listening to pod
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: therapy say to.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: A bunch of people in their forties.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Then it's like we're like you child with your happiness. Yeah,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: all right, I'm so happy.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, my my real advice would be, if you
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: if you feel like that's just what you gotta do, yeah,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: didn't do it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: It's not a bad it's not no, it's nothing wrong
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna You're you're not gonna die if you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: do this. You're not gonna This isn't a life and
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: death decision. So this is something that you really feel
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: strongly about and you want to do it, then go
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: do it. It's the same thing I tell like theater
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: kids and everything. I'm like, if you can, if you
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: can think of a different career, if you can think
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: of a different way to make money, I would say
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: do that. But if you can't, if if you think
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: this is just the only way that you're gonna be
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: happy going forward and this is then this is like
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: this is it?
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, then great, that's actually really been doing good advice. Yeah.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: I do think jamasculect. Does anyone our age, you know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: like really feel passionate about their job. I think because
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: as you get older, there just are more responsibilities. Unless
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: you're the guy in the van at Jacob's Mom's animal rescue,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: like just they're just our responsibilities. It's kind of overwhelming
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: adult seem sucks. I hate it sounds so cringey or whatever,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: but like it does. There they're just are natural responsibilities
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: that come with aging and so.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: But there are I mean, I know people who just
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: don't do them. I know people who just don't do
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the retirement. They just don't do you know, mortgage, car loans,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: all those things like credit cards, all those things that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: can kind of clashed rings on to you.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: They just don't do them. How recently she does van life.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: She's she's lived in a van for the last like
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: eight or nine years. I think, yeah, wow, And like
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: she just.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, look at all ye live los Yeah.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: That's the secret to happeneness.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Have you seen the cost of vans.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And the spots, you know, the spots where.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I couldn't used to be.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: You gotta find national forest to park in. That's get
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: a full.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: House with no wheels. No, But what can you do
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: for twenty years in your life and continue to find
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the same joy in year twenty that you did in
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: year one? And it's almost nothing? But I do think
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: that there is some validity to a human saying, look
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I fell into this career. I'm in my twenties. I
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: am trying multiple things in my life. I have tried this.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I listened to your show. I've looked into the viability.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: There is a profession called social work. It comes with
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: other costs, but I may want those costs over the
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: costs I currently experience. Yeah, and like, okay, I'm fine
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: with it as long as your eyes wide open. If
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I were your slightly older uncle, not a father figure,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think his twenties. I think I'm just older,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: you know, older brother. I think you know, cool cousin,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: you know might be in this in this ballpark.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: You could do that. I've ins do that as a
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: music bed. But then you stop that. I was going
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to give you you're going to do it. I just
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: stopped and just started looking at me. Start doing it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Every time you can do it's really distracting for me.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I really have a hard time focus you. I'm just
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: really excited. That thing is like a different color one too.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I thought your other one's like red. Okay, say you
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: paint it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: No, okay, hadn't changed.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Uh, As your slightly older, cooler cousin, I think that
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: like what was I going to say. It was something about,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: oh uh.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: No, if you're going to give advice to oh.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I like your advice. So yeah, if I if I
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: were your older cousin, I would say do what Whitney said.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I would say, work your regular job, put yourself through
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: a master's program. See if you enjoy the content, take
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: some classes, and then worst case, you've spent a lot
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: of money on the masters. But if you're that compelled, yeah,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: you've got the money. You're going to be a better volunteer.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: You get the degree, you can go cash in the license,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and if you want, instead of volunteering on the side,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: you can start working on the side as a social worker,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: getting those hours. Apparently you can pull off those both
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: things right now, keep doing it, and then eventually when
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: you're fully licensed and you're like, okay, now it's time
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to jump ship. But if you can pull off these
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: two things, now, keep doing that. Make your money along
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the way. You don't have to hit the fork in
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the road yet. So I would want you to go
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: as far down that path as you can before you
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: absolutely have no choice, then make that choice based on
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: a position of strength. As an older cousin, that's what
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I would And know where your water shut off valve is.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: For the love of God.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And if you live in the desert, mold isn't that
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: big of a problem.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Do you think they have water shut off valves in Europe?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I mean that might be their entire issue.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: We solved it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Call it waterloo.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Hmm, that's no, it should have been an.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: That's America Witness Dummy. We're gonna take a break in
• 28:07
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• 28:09
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• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Whitney got tired of getting her ass kicked in trivia.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: She decided to questions, it's gonna be a battle of
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: the boys. Yeah, right, touch.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Tips any guesses on what.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: The top really different than my bowling leg?
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I hope it suits.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: It's not suits world.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: She doesn't do trivia the way you do, idiot, I'm out,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: okay because soccer final answer?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Can we go back to suits?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: No?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Seetherfuckers. This is a world event in the US.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. It could be worse.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: It could be trivia about like Whitney.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, what spell my name? Things that she has
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: said to us live on the show. What did I
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: do last week? What is the trivia about? Yeah? What
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I just tell you the trivia is about. Fuck Honestly,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I just want to pass now.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: That's like there was an SNL skit. I told Peter
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I was bringing this trivia. He goes, is this like
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: that SNL scoot where it's just like the guy shows
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: up and he's like, what's my name?
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right, name my wife? Yeah, name my girlfriend,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: spend to dinner with her three times? Oh, that's my
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: girlfriend's names. Like, I'm so sorry, I just don't know.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: This is your doorman, you see him every day?
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: What's my name?
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I can I can think of multiple people off the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: top of my head who I've known for years and years,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: who have been married for multiple years, whose I don't
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: know the name of their spouses. No need to learn it.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I've never learned the names of their spouses. Yeah. I've
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: been some of these people for a long time and
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: don't know the names of their strong name trying to
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: save them because there's a hash.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're welcome his name. Okay, Question number one, I
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: guess do we start with? Jim want?
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: This is why women can't lead?
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: You know, this is wow?
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: This is first time ever one question curs prepare.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying this was the interview.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I think dat to prepare? Well, all right, Jim Athy.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Which country has won the most FIFA World Cup titles?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Jesus you want to christ? Oh yes, Oh thank god,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: there's only so many. I can only name so many
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: countries like I have no idea.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, we have a Germany, b Italy, Brazil, d Argentina.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Fuck brazilis have that Pele guy? I remember FIFA ninety
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: three or some shit, and that guy was important.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: It's pronounced Pello.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Uh give me Argentina.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Fuck? Which way are we going next?
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Next?
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: I think Brazil is the red herring. I'm gonna go Germany.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: It's Brazil.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: It's so fun.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, damn it, I didn't think that was I'm gonna
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: get around to me for a second.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Good job, Jacob, all right, Nick, Yeah, what year was
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: the first FIFA World Cup held? Tell me if you
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: want options?
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'll take option.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's World War two?
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Okay? A nineteen twenty six, B nineteen thirty C nineteen
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: thirty four, D nineteen thirty eight.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: You know the original FIFA World Cups were all the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: players had to play new that's what I because they
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: wouldn't allow women to play, and so they had to
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: make sure they had to have all all the men
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: played movies that dangling.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: You have those fun fox.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that's right.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Let's go thirty four.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I love this tribute every week. It was next Guest
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: A nineteen thirty four.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I will take a not too bad?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Was next guest B?
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: No, I'll take B. B is correct?
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I told you it was in the Civil War?
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Was nineteen thirty Wow?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Tell me that's when the Hindenburg crossed the Atlantic?
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Exactly? History, the history buff.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Now you're pretty good at it.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: All right, Jacob, Okay this, No, that's too easy. I
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: must skip the one.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: It was soccer?
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a ball.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Black and white, I believe.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, which player is known as the all time leading
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: scorer in FIFA World Cup history.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: It's messy.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Taking off.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's messy, babe, ruth idiot, give me options.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Please, options are a Pele, not Pello, not Lionel Messi okay,
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I think it's okay. See Miroslav close d Ronaldo? Uh,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: I know that.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Name, so that's important. So there's the Pele.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: I was going to say Serena would it's oh.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Ship, she's good too. I think it's going to be
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: between the Ronaldo question, who's the leading scorer.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: All time leading score and FIFA.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Give me if Brazil is the best, then it's gonna
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: be fuck.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think I know this, of course you.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Do, dumb ass. It's the one that is obvious.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: I think it's Klaus.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: It is totalotball to total football.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I think that was Holland. Yeah, but it was Klou.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Yes that idologize.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, good job a point?
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Wow okay, wow, that's not your own points honest.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Not one of us got it right
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: on the turns out that the making of the quiz
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: just isn't the the good part of the show.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh, blame GPT.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: If the definite I would blame the person who built
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the quiz off chat.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I want this job. I just want to just fucking
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: do this on my phone real quick. Get the trivia.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: You could take an hour and a half to post produce.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Family history of Schizophrenia. It's a long story, but I'll
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: try as best I can to keep it short. I
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: am a he hymn and anonymous. Growing up, I knew
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: my brother was different, troubled by something. He was the
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: eldest at four years old, and we had a sister
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: two years between us. When I was about eight, we
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: had the fourth sibling born from a different father. At
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: the point when youngest sister was one, I was nine,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: oldest sister was eleven, and older brother was thirteen. This
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: is when our mother first noticed something was mentally different
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: in my brother. Many times he would be, by his
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: own words, possessed by demons. They got worse over the years,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: and as an older teenager, he found that the hard
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: drugs shut up the audio and visual hallucinations. Into adulthood
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: and middle age, the combination fried his brain completely to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: where he literally thought he was Jesus and I was
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the Antichrist because I'm an atheist. Texas h h okay
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: being what is that like a university or something.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: No, it's a system in Texas. Oh, insurance, it's like
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: public health care. Okay, God, it's been so long since.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say what I think is answer
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: because the last letter I think is different now. But
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: that's mental.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Let's recovery.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Resources is what I'm.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I want it all being what it is only covered
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: seventy five percent of his working medication and.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Texas MHMR typically refers to local mental health and intellectual
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: slash developmental disability services and managed by the states local
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: mental health authorities there.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: It is so he would wander off a lot. He
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: eventually wandered off to California, where he fell asleep and
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: never woke up. A few years later we found out
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: his son had symptoms of schizophrenia as well. In his
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: note when his mother found him after a self deletion,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: he saw what it did to his dad, and he
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: said he'd rather go out as himself than live life
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: as what my brother became. Now. My niece from my
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: younger sister has been showing symptoms for a few years
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: and was diagnosed with it too. She is it pretty
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: bad already. She's been transforming into a rabid beast, clawing
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: at her siblings and mother. Her being eleven. We've been
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: told that none of the medications will stay effective because
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: of hormonal changes for the next few years. It would
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: be very helpful if y'all had any kind of advice
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: for my niece and my sister also. Until this, we
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: all assumed this was a genetic thing for my dad
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: getting passed on, but my younger sister has a different dad.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Now my mother has indicated that she is blaming her genetics.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I tried to point out that my niece's dad is
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: a piece of work himself, but I know Mom is
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: internalizing the blame. Thanks anonymous, damn m so in case
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't do a good job reading that fluidly, writer's
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: elder brother developed symptoms of schizophrenia psychosis. Medications were ineffective,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: he started doing hard drugs. He wandered off on himself
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: in California. He dies, but older brother also had a child,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: a son, who also started to develop symptoms of schizophrenia,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: and at a young age, also died, but by suicide,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: and in his note said, I did this so that
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I don't end up like my father, And now writer's
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: niece is discovering symptoms as well. So this whole family's
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: been plagued by this.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: God's that's really sad and really difficult. I feel free
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: It's devastating. Man.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: It's rare to hear a story that there was no
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: successful treatment at all.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: So I was going to touch on that a little bit.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: And you know, I think about my experience working in
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: insurance and looking at clinical for impatient hospitalizations, and that
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: was for kids and adults. But I will say it
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: was for the years that I worked, it was very
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: rare to see a child, especially age young.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a child.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: With like symptoms of schizophrenia. And I mean, gosh, And
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I guess I'm not going to go into into diagnosis
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: or anything like that because we know so little about her,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: but it sounds like something is going on neurologically or
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: or went on with her. And I would say, she's
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: so young. On one hand, are are medications even working
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: for her now? Because it sounds like they may not
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: be and we're already worrying that.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: The way it was phrased, I thought it they might
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: be working now, but they might be worried that they
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: might not work. In the future, No, I cotinue to work.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure yet.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I can't fully understand that either, but yeah, if they
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: are working now and you're just worried about it changing,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, gosh, this is way oversimplified, but I wanted
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: to kind of normalize that, like for all, for all children,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Like I hear this all the time from parents where
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: they're like, oh, once you figure out what you're doing
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: with your kid, then it changes. Like I think, on
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: an obviously much lighter level for an average child and
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: parent child relationship out there, there's going to be changes,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: and that's that's hard. As children age. This is obviously
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: like ten times harder than what would be like average.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: So I guess I want to normalize a little bit
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: of that that every parent out there is going through,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: like these certain stages of changes with children as they
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: as they grow, but finding the right medications. I know
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: we've talked about this so many times on here, but
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: it's just that's kind of part of mental health, and
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I hate it because it is. It's frustrating and difficult,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: it's daunting, it's exhausting, it's time consuming, it's money consuming,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Like there's just so much it sucks. Out of you
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: until you get it right, then it's a relief. So
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: I would say that you know, we we empathize with
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: you here. That is that is a tough space to
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: be in and for your sister especially, But just to
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: take it day by day and a doctor appointment by
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: a doctor appointment. And it may be hard to find treatment,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: because that's why I started saying that with looking at
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: clinical because it's just not that common and you have
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: to find a really good child psychiatrist or nurse practitioner
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: who's willing to look at her symptoms and be very
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: attuned to your child's I would say that's the most
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: important thing.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I think in this case. A few episodes ago we
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: discussed the genetic testing for psychopharm gene Site is one
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: of the brands that does it, and I think this
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: is a great candidate for that. Right when you have
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: a family history where we've seen this genetic anomaly where
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: people are developing the same it might be a neurodevelopmental disorder.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: It might not even be psychosys. Yeah, yeah, I was
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: wondering that it could be schizophrenia. This would be incredibly
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: early onset schizophrenia. Yeah, there's a lot of things could
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: be neurodegenerative. It could be like you know, even I
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: mean Alzheimer's at this age just doesn't seem possible. But
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: like genes site or a genetic test, I think at
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: a minimum gives them at least a little bit more
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: insight to say, Okay, we can try now to figure
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: out what things would work and then maybe predict what
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: things might be better shots in the future. On the
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: other side, I don't know about describing medicines as this
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: will work for now and then post puberty won't work.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's fair for a prescriber to help
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: a person accept that this is going to be a journey, right,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: And that's usually what we do as counselors is we're.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: You know, no matter what, even if you're an adult,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: it's a journey.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: And I think what we're often doing, especially with psychotic
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: features and things like that, when we know this person's
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: probably going to take anti psychotics, mood stabilizers, some pretty
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: heavy medicines, we're trying to front load the expectations that
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: we hey, this is going to take a special signature
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: blend of herbs and spices. You got to let the
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: doctor work this is going to be a process. It
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: isn't something you'll see results in a day or even
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: a week. It's going to be months, and as this
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: child develop we're probably going to have to make changes
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: and there's going to be years where it might be
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: two steps back. So I think that it's okay to
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: write size those expectations for the family so they can
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: prepare for what is going to be a lifelong reality
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: with this person. I think one of the things that
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: is getting lost in the way that the story is
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: being presented. It has this fatalism, and I think that's
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: a lot. So the uncle or the uncle I'm the
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: older brother. Yeah, that's a tough case. An older brother
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: got involved with hard drugs, which any of us will
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: tell you definitely are not part of the prescription for success.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: No, but common, very common.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Right, the co occurring I was just telling my interns
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: about this today, like with psychosis or bipolar mania, like
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: the co occurring disorders where they go into methamphetamine, really
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: really strong psychoactive substances is extremely common. And it is
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: because it's relieving, right, They're self medicating.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: That's it. It's something and it's instant relief. It's the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: only it's the only option out there for people right
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: now to really get.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: At least I know why you're doing it.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I'm a funny guy. I'm an idiot. I don't know
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: anything about anything. A hell of a kazoo player, and
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: and and i'd say a mediocre to you're too modest,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: a fair to Middland kazoo player. But I mean, as
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: far as I know, and again I don't know anything.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: But as far as I know, if you want to
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: turn that ship off.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Then that's that's It doesn't increase your overall function.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: That's it is. It doesn't help you.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: It's it's not a solution to general anesthesia. Will turn
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: it off to exactly and then you'll just be a
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: puddle on the ground.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: That's what medication. But it's easier to get heroin than
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: it is to get somebody to put you to general.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Note well, like with psych meds, like the picture of
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: the analogy that I kind of see it in my
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: head when you're because witness salf based that's not actually
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: it's personal training base, silly, No, it's it's kind of like,
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: you know, the frustrating part about finding a medication that's
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: going to work is it's almost like you're kind of
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: if you're to imagine you're in a room and it's
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: one hundred and fifteen degrees in this room and you're
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: just suffering, and on the wall there are a hundred
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: thermostats and one of them will cool the room, but
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: it takes twenty minutes for you to know after you
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: switch one of them on. And so this is what
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: it's like for medication, where you just go to the
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: first thermostat and you crank it down, and now you
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: have to wait and you wait and you wait and
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: you wait, and meanwhile you're suffering broken, meanwhile you're suffering,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: and then you find out nope, this one didn't work,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: right on to the next one, and you just keep
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: doing that until you find.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Them two degrees. But we need.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Sometimes it's a combination of thermostats. And sometimes yes, you
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: can get really by pouring some a bucket of cold
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: water on you, but then now you can have yeah,
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: or maybe that actually makes you feel hotter once it evaporates,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: you know, And so it's like, yeah, there's just it
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: sucks there and there's no there's no easy way to
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: deal with it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: But I also want to send the message that in
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: this is kind of the coming I was making earlier,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: is that because of the story of what happened to
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: the brother and the nephew, the entire family I think
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: has developed this mentality of fatalism. Yeah, this is a
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: progressive terminal disease. There's nothing you do about it. It's hopeless.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Everybody will devolve into some kind of fairal loss. And
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know that we've I mean, we are three
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: mental health professionals and a damn good kazoo player, I mean,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: really fucking excellent, and we're all sitting here scratching our heads.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Heard of anything like this before. I mean, it's it's
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: exceedingly rare, very rare. That's not necessarily because your family
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: is doomed. Writer, I think what you need to understand
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: is that could be attached to we didn't see brother
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: get the correct treatment over time, and it's like n nephew.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: We never saw nephew get the correct.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Tr And I was gonna say to the fatalism, I
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: think part of the fatalism, at least as I'm taking
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: it from this letter, is the nephew saying I didn't
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: want to turn out like Dad.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: And that's a child, this guess, and.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: The child, the child is almost certainly wrong about how
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: he would have reacted to a medical regiment. And this
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: particularly because you don't know, you don't know what dad
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: would have done without without hard drugs. You don't know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Like so you don't know any of this. And and
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the kiddo who passed away from the suicide, you know,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and it's horrible, and we don't. I think that. I
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: think that's happened sometimes with suicide. I think it happens
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: sometimes with suicide with loved ones. Is you take those
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: last kind of words and those last thoughts and kind
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: of put them up there with with scripture.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: They give memorialized. If it comes the story of what happened.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. And you don't want to look at
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: that and say, like, well, we're wrong. He at the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: very least certainly didn't know what he was talking about,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: right right, yeah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: And he was mentally ill, you know, and like the
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: But going back to Knick's metaphor, there, persistence is required
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: for schizophrenia. I would say that the number one thing
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: that because counselors can't do a lot with schizophrenia, it's
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: a medication option. It's a hardware issue, not something we
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: can help with. The number one thing we usually contribute
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: in these situations is cheerleading and just getting behind the
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: family and trying to tell them keep on going. I
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: have seen this work. We're not making this up because
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of times the psychiatry folks, they don't have
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of great bedside manner. A lot of times
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: they're just vending machines like this, try the next thing.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: They're kind of scientists, and so they don't do a
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: good job of expressing like this is going to get better.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: They'll look at you and say something like, well, these
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: medicines will eventually not work because of hormones. Anyway, go
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: ahead and grab a sucker on the way out. Yeah,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: you just devastated my entire family. Man, just rob the
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: last shred of hope we had. Whereas I you're sitting
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: with a counsel, Whe'll be like, Okay, so here's the deal.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Like, there's gonna be.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: A winding path. It's like air conditioning, and it's gonna
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: be but we're gonna keep working it. We're not gonna
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: give up, right, guys, We're gonna get through this together.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I've seen people get to the other side, that's something
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: that families need to have as well, and so I
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: want the writer to at least hear us say, like, boy,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: this is something that if people keep working it most
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: of the time they find solutions.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: It's also important to point out that it looks very
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: feudalistic when you haven't actually seen anybody who's done it. Yeah, right,
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: like the four minute mile. Yeah, everyone thought that was
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: impossible until the first guy did it, Jim Job. Yeah,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: and then a couple months later somebody else did it,
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: and then somebody else did it. It's like you just
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: needed the first person to do it for everyone else
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: to realize it's possible. If this family actually got to
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: see some people who have schizophrenia and are able to
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: live normal lives and function normally, they probably have a
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: different outlook.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Uncle, or if brother had made it, Yeah, nephew would
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: have made it, right.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: So there have to be support groups for this, That's.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: The first thing I thought of.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's also Hearing Voices, I think is another
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: group which is meant for the full spectrum you know,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: of anybody who's experiencing any amount of psychotic you know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: And these are four families as well. Not me, definitely.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Yea.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: So ME has support groups for the people going through it,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: am I.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, National Alliance on Mental Illness.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: But one of the best things to me has the
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Family Support Group, and they also have ones for children
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: and like this. But again, it's because this is such
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: an all consuming illness, losing this person that you've raised,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: that you've loved for ten years and become somebody fundamentally different,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: and they are terrified. And this is where Nephew was terrified,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: like I'm going to lose myself in this and it
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: is scary. And that's why they have to entrust their
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: fate into the people that love them and become I think,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: willing to surrender and do whatever the prescriptions are and
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: keep doing that. And sometimes it means hospitalization for a while,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: and we just keep rotating through all this until we
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: try to get to the other side.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes through I mean, hospitalization is never great for kids,
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: but sometimes you can find resources that way too, because
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: now they're on the radar. I was gonna say too,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: kind of in line with what Nick was saying. You know,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: science is always evolving and developing, and this is something
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: that I choose to kind of believe with like medical
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: stuff too. It's like the longer you can live, the
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: more likely there will be I think this for medical
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: stuff like acre so I feel like for mental health,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: the more likely there will be progression in how to
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: treat that that symptom or like you're saying, when someone
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: you know runs the four minute mile, it just it
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: gives you hope. I think just as time goes on,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: there's more likely.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Drug production is honestly my biggest hope with AI stuff
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: right now. Drug research is being done with the AI stuff. Really,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: That's that's one where it seems like AI is doing
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of thing.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: They can really do a lot of That's a yeah,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: the future's hopeful, you know, but nobody should resign their
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: fate at eleven years old, you know. And the family
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: that's surrounding this niece and seeing this happen. Yes, there
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: are genetic linkages, you know, just schizophrenia that is a thing.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: There's you know, environmental factors, there's so many things. We
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: still have a lot to learn about these diseases. If
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: this even is schizophrenia, I mean, it's happening at such
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: a young age. There's a lot of curiosity here. But
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: you know, writer. I mean, you didn't write us asking hey,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: solve this. You wrote us asking, hey, can you just
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: reflect on this? Give me perspective on this. But I
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: guess the perspective that I would hope you take away
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: from this is how stunned we all are that nobody
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: so far has experienced much relief from these symptoms, because
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: we see relief happen the vast majority of time. I can't,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I can't honestly say in my entire career, I've had
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: a person who, if they stuck to the program, did
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: what the doctor said and did the perseverance part, did
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: not eventually experience relief. I've had people that deviated from
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: the plan, got back on hard drugs, knocked you know,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: all the anti psychotics out of their system for a while,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: run and gunned down the road, and then come back
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: and say I don't want to take the meds because
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: they don't work. And it's like, nah, that's not fair,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: you know, like you stopped doing it, man. And they
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: may never be one hundred percent, but if we can
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: get rid of eighty percent of what you're experiencing, you
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: can function, you know, and you may be disabled. We
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: may have to go to the government. We may have
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: to get your declaration visibility, but you can come to Christmas.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: You know, you can hang out with people, you can live.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: That's worth it, you know, it's worth fighting for. So, Writer,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: I hope that gives you some perspective at least to
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: find that hope that hey, this can get better. We
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: often see that it does.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: It's I mean, as far as I know, my understanding
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: of it, in this aspect of it is it's a
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: lot like cancer, and it's a lot like a lot
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: of other diseases such as that, where your your kind
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: of attitude and like the families support and and all
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: of that is a difference maker. Yeah, you know that that,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: like willingness to get up every day and do the
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: work becomes a real difference maker and aspects like this
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: or in things like this, and yeah, I don't know,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: so laman layman guy over here, I would encourage you
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: to do that as much as possible. And I know
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: that's a bear of a of a thing to do.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Now, Thanks for the question, writer, and for the video audience.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: We've trained our camera to just not look at Whitney
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: and it's just the decision that we've made and.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I'm fine with it.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's the right move. It's a show. We're
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: going to take a quick break and when we come back,
• 54:36
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• 55:01
  Speaker 3: All right, Jim, you don't get multiple choice for this one?
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Who played in the semi final match today?
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Can?
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: If I get any of them? Does it count because
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: there's four teams?
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: So I have a pretty good odds.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Two teams today today. One game was played today, fuck
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: to were played today. I thought I was the only
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: one we got played.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Today, then I should be able to take a shot.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I watched two of them. Maybe one of them was ab.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: I think it was just one today.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: It was on that it was on when I was
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: at the gym. One was one was a rerun.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: I believe that I know you know the answer. That's
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: why you last I.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Believe Spain was one of them. It was Spain in France.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: I was happy I root against France in the World Cup.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I dislike France's playing style in the World Cup is
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: half after all France national team. I can't stand watching
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: the French. The French national team play soccer, you.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Know, after the Latte just it's a shame, embarrassed for
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: my country.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna give Jacob that one. Hold on, Actually we'll
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: just let Jacob answer this one. Okay, to skip you Nick?
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Wow, the power is gone to her head. This is
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: what she does at the h A meetings.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: You don't get to speak, you don't have the talking baton.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: You brought a stick out of your.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Yard, Jacob. The FIFA World Cup trophy is primarily made
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: of what material?
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Metal?
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Finally, give it to them, give it to I mean,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? What are you gonna doot point?
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: I mean on a on a an atomic level, it's
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: mostly empty space.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Protons and.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Adams got to give him those, all right? Hit me?
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: All right? Options A silver, B, bronze, C, gold, D, platinum.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I mean it is gold. It is a gold colored trophy,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: is it? I've never seen the trophy itself is gold colored.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think our countries, but I don't know if
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: it is like gold or it's like a gold plate.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: It's it's going to be gold plated. I bet it's not.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: It's not solid gold. I bet it's silver.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: I thought silver too.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: We'll go backwards.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: WHOA, what were the other options?
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Gold?
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: And what I got golden bronze on the table. I
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: guess I'll take the obvious one and gold gold?
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Wow? Just a big honk of gold? All right?
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: How many poor countries do you think immediately melted down
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: for bread money?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Not none? Not none? I think a gold bar right now,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Like a big gold bar is like twenty twenty five thousand,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: maybe thirty thousand bills to pay man, So like melt value,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: you probably look at like forty fifty grand for that
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: for that trophy you have to pay for the bus,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: all right?
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Nick? Which country has appeared in every FIFA World Cup tournament?
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: No?
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, the tournament?
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Okay since nineteen thirty Greece?
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, right, it's got to be an ancient
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: to the math.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Do you want options? You tell me?
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's take options.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: A Germany b Argentina, c Italy d Brazil.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Those have been my guesses.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Brazil.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Good job, got it question?
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: All right, that's why they have all the wins. I
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: think there's no way it's Germany. I went down at
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: the thirties were I bet kept them out of it.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: There were there was a questions. It's like what are
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: the two or what happened in these two years and
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: not have a World Cup. It's like World Wars.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me guess, travel anxiety and sibling rivalry. Hello
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Pod Therapy team, I hope you're all enjoying your summer
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: so far. I'm writing today with a multi part question
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: for the whole crew. My sister invited me on a
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: girl's trip to funchal med Madira, Madeira, Portugal. I believe
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: that both Whitney and Jacob visited the island last year,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: and I am interested in hearing any and all suggestions
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: they can offer for what I should do try and enjoy. Also,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: any therapods or pals who have been please hit me
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: up in the discord with suggestions too. As excited as
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I am to be heading there next month. It's also
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: a major source of anxiety for me, traveling in general
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: spins me up. I have no problem with flying. I
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: also love experiencing new places, but the idea of work,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: stress piling up for when I return, or the fear
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: of some and going wrong while I'm on the way
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: can easily overwhelm me. I have the personality type where
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: general excitement can easily turn into extreme anxiety. This leads
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: me to do things like not plan or pack ahead
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: of time because I'm afraid I'll spin out and have
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: a panic attack for no reason. I also end up
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: waiting until the last minute to pack, which only makes
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: me more anxious. Even when I try to convince myself
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: to start packingheat of time, I just don't. I always
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: end up doing it at the very last minute. The
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: entire time I'm panicking afraid that I'll forget something. I
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: never sleep the night before a trip, and I'm internally
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: screaming until I know I will safely make my flight.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Usually by the time i'm at the airport, I'm fine,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: but there have been times where I'm rushing through TSA
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: trying to get to my gate, and until I know
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: that I will not miss that plane, I feel like
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: my heart will just explode out of my chest. Adding
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: to the stress, I'm taking a train to the city
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: where my sister lives to catch the flight with her.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: It's not that I have a problem riding a train,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: it's just the extra step and an additional timeframe to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: worry about. This is my first international trip in almost
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: thirty years, and I want to be able to enjoy
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: that rather than dreaded. Part of me is also concerned
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: about taking this trip with my sister. I love her,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: and I don't know she loves me, or no, I
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: do Yeah, never mind, I love her.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I do know.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I love her, and I do know she loves me.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: We both grew up with strong family values, but we
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: did not get along when we were young. Exploring the
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: entire sibling dynamic would be at least five more emails,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: but the short story is we're just on different ends
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: of the spectrum. She's a classic type. She has a
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: high power career, a beautiful home that is immaculately clean,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: and everything in her life is structured and orderly. I'm
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: undiagnosed neurodivergent, but my TikTok algorithm seems to think I'm
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: aut HD with high functioning procrastination at a minute. Maybe
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: you gathered some of this from the first part of
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: my email. Even though we are both in our forties,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: I still feel very much like the little sister. There
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: have been times when I feel like she's disappointed in me,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: or even embarrassed of me. Like I said, I know
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: she loves me, but I worry that she doesn't like me.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Of course, she did invite me on this trip, so
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of this is just in my head.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Five of her close friends, most of whom I've met,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: will be with us, and I don't think any of
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: them will judge me for being a little messy or excitable.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I just can't shake the feeling that I need to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: be on my best behavior. So TLDR Part one, Whitney
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: and Jacob give me suggestions for Madeira. Part two suggest
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: some coping skills for my travel anxiety. Part three suggest
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: some ways that I can enjoy an entire week overseas
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: with my sister without worrying that I'm getting on her nerves.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: XO XO Scoopia Lauren, don't say my real name. Please
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: hopefully that wasn't the real name. Scoopy Lord, I don't
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: write the script.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: That's cute, like Scupia Lauren.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Like, okay, so Portugal and this island Madeira, it is
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: an archipelago. Is this the place that Peter slapped his back?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: No, that would don't do that. Oh my gosh, I'm
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: blink on the name of the place.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: It will come to me America.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was where that was accent.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: I think Wait is it an island or do you have.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's an island. And I did not go to.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Because the thing that you just said, like I went,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: I went.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: To that Madeira.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: The other thing is, yeah, is the beach you're in
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: between lago?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yes, but no, no, we didn't go to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: the to the island there, but we went to the
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: south of Portugal and and all not go. No, no,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: we were in the south of Portugal where the island
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: is off of I.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: Guess, yeah, I don't think we went to that place.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: There's another archipelago. And like that thing.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Man, we could have done years of not I mean
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: we just if we all kind of looked at each
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: other and like, all right, but how do.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: We how do we continue to bring it up in conversations?
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: None of us know what it is anyway, who knows.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: Is it Azoras, I'm going to say that wrong. That
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: that's in Portugal looks really pretty, Like.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Just go explore. The food is magnificent food outside of
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: the cities, like the food was so so good and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: so inexpensive, and in the cities it was so very
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: good and just a little more expensive. Yes, yeah, it's
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: still not as expensive as it is like he or
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: in Vegas, but yeah it was.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: You're gonna love it. It looks beautiful. I looked it
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: up too. It's just stunning.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Just that, Islan, just go go explore. I'd say, just
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: be open to it. And I think that's I think
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: that's always the secret to traveling, especially internationally, is being
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: open to the experiences and and just go and take
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: it all in. That is a ways away from Portugal,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: is it. Yeah, Like you're you're almost as far south
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: as Marrakesh. Okay, well all right right, Oh and the
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: trains are great. The trains are the trains are simpler.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: And I couldn't tell if you were taking the train
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: in the US or in Portugal.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: I think in the US is how I read that,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Like if they live outside of like New York up
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: in the northeast or something.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: But the trains. Trains are great. Yeah, like they're easy,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: and that's in the US or in Portugal.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: Might be high functioning, autistic.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're gonna love the train.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's already your favorite.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Book. You're worried about the train.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna be fine.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: That something's gonna go.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: Wrong, that I worried, you're not going to want to
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: get off this, this is the whole trip, will mess
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: up the flight?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Things that came to mind when when
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: the writer, first of all, says they haven't traveled internationally
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: in thirty years. A lot has changed in thirty years.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: And let me tell you, I don't know if this
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: is helpful or not. I imagine it could be, but
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: that is the instead of worrying about things going wrong,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: the way I travel nowadays is like just knowing something
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: will oh and you can take that as you will.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: But you've already got the trip planned, it's booked. But
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: here's the thing one, what's like the worst thing that's
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: gonna happen, Like you can go, you can go down
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: this route and like, okay, we've had so many things wrong.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: I've lost my passport in Czech Republic. We uh, Peter active.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna blame Peter here. Blame Peter hashtag cash tag safety.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: He accidentally booked us a flight home a day early
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: when we were traveling with family to Costa Rica. So
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: we get the alert, like while we're chilling, it's like,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: get ready for your flight to mark. No, that's not tomorrow,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: at least it wasn't the next next day, right, and
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: we're at the airport. But we had to pay like
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: two hundred dollars a person to change that. Sure, it's
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: fucking annoying and you beat yourself up about it, but
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: like at the end of the day, if you have
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: a credit card and a smartphone, you can literally do
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: anything and fix anything.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: That's the thing is that what problems are gonna pop
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: up that are going to be insurmountable problems.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: This is yeah, because I was gonna give the same advice,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: which is play the tape. Okay, so this happens, then
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: what then what happened? Okay, so the train's late, you
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: missed your flight, Okay, then what Yeah, you get on
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: the next.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: One, get on the next flight.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so like this is and I had th
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: worst case scenarios is a better path to go down
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: than like actual worst case scenario.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I even go down those though. Once I'm
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: on the flight, I'm like, if the plane goes down,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: it's my time to go. I don't give a fuck.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: I'm chilling, then it's my time.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: I'm whitney. I don't care.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: No. But like I used to have a terrible travel anxiety,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: like about like I would never want to miss my flight.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: Like I was like, oh my god, I cannot miss
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: my flight. Cannot miss my flight. And then you talk
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: you meet other people who just missing barely function in life,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: you know, like they're missing flights all the time. And
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: then like why am I stressed about this? When this
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: person fine? I was like, get the next one.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: I see these reels right, all these shorts on Instagram.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: That is like your tight b friends stressing you out
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: on vacation, like, oh my god, I just lost my passport,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Like what are you gonna do? The like I think
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go for a swim.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Margarita, I'll tell you that right now. I I
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: always give myself the same advice too, whenever I start
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: thinking about like, oh my god, what if what if?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: What if?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: And then I always go for my pockets, and it's like,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: I got my passport and I have a credit card.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: And my gun.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: Honestly fly without an I D like, I mean, I know,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: they're like, you need your real ID. Whatever. No, you
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: pay a fine if you don't have that. Okay, okay,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: And I have flown when I didn't have my idea
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: At the airport, They're like, what do you got? You
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: got a credit card, you got a cost co I D.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: I flew with two forms of ID that were not
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: my driver's license.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Privilege you have of never being suspected of terrorism is insane.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Honestly, when I changed.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Blond white girl changed my last you want, ma'am, No,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: I started.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: Don't me worry about it? That a Blockbuster card? Get
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: on this a box cutters carry them. Don't give a ship.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna blame Peter for this too. No, they didn't
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: let me take a seashell home from Costa Rica. They
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: threw that. I know, how did you make it? No,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: they literally flagged my name once I changed my last
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: name from my maiden name. Never got flagged with my
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: my crazy German you know maiden name. But Lewis apparently
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: is a pretty common name. So like, oh you m R.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Takes Peter.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Osama, b and Lewis. Yeah, I'm the guy who is
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: panicked about this stuff, you know, like traveling.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: International scenario Dea Whitney.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Why did you guys step over that?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: That's not gonna have to care.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing in a Portuguese prison for the rest
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: of the need to understand, like death is an inconvenience
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: for the people around you country.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: The prisons aren't that bad. You'll be okay.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I'm with the writer in that
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: I constantly am worried about this kind of stuff. I
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: hate travel. I also even like local travel. I just
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: get really anxious in preparation, like the Yellowstone trip, the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: beach trip, Like I'm going through the checklist eighty five
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: times setting everything.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: We're nervous when there's people I'm responsible for, like your
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: Yellowstone trip.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I've got to take care of my kid
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: and all these other kids. And so I relate to
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: the writer on that sense too, and also the sense
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: of feeling anxious of like I'm traveling with other people,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: is this gonna be okay?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: Like is it?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Because like if if you're a chaperone for kids, it's
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: like I don't give a shit if they like me.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: I'm here to do a job, right Yeah, But like
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: if I don't know that i've I just think this.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: So this weekend I celebrated my best friend's fortieth birthday.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: We went to Zion and I went.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: With young friend.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, so I went with him and a bunch
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: of friends that like some of them I know, some
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: of them I don't, And so like that was kind
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: of anxious because it was like I know a couple
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: of these people, but it's we're filling up a whole
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: like giant Airbnb. We're all going hiking, like it's this
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: big hole thing. And it's like I was really nervous,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: like okay on this hike, Like I look up the
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: tike like okay, I've done these kinds of hike before.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: This one's in the water. It was the the narrows.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: If you all, I haven't done it so fun.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: It's it's fun, but it is laborious. It is it's
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: ten miles just working through this this like sharp rock pond,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: and it was it took us six hours, Like you're
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: moving so slow. Undred and ten degrees. Yeah, we had those.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Boots that you're very busy.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was packed and so like it was just
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: really really hard. Yeah, you rent like nea prem socks
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: and then these like water boots that like wrap around
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: your foot.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: And they hold on the good luck. Yeah.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Oh I saw some people like barefoot and I was like, dude,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: how are you not shredded? Right? It's they're sharp rocks.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: I was really nervous leading up to that, like doing
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: all this research trying to figure it out. Like, I mean,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: it's interesting the writer gets nervous packing. But I get
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: the theory. I get that that is a trigger because
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: it feels like it's really happening and like now you're
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: worried about did I get everything into this bag?
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, you're going on a trip. You're gonna be gone
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: for seven days. How many pairs of underwear.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: You forget underwear to face?
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: I don't forget. No, you say too much.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: I pack like I'm planning on shipping my pants.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: You never take. I take a pair of underwear per day, okay, plus.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: A spare, plus a spare.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Seven days, I have eight pairs underwear with if I
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: don't have access to a washing.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: If somebody has jumps out and startles.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: No, that's living fast and loose. Yeah, that's the man.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: He's throwing it all in the wind. Same with socks,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: same with so I underpack socks will usually have three
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: extra pair. I will usually I'll have at least five
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: extra pairs of underwear.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I overpack on underwear, and if it's cold, I
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: overpack on like inside.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Concuse it? Why men overpack underwear? Like I understand why
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: women do because things come up like lots going on
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: down there, but going on.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Down there, it's like a cracking or something.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: Sometimes some women have had children. I hear that.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: You know dirty underwear? Need to change it? Are you
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: googling it? What happens inside of women's underwear? Just grab
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: his phone and.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: Call me out pears of underwing.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: See where this goes? What do women before I do?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Let's go through each.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: Other's what's going on between the legs?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Would you girls have boy different?
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Packing is real, but that's what I was gonna
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: say too. So you forget to pack something, you buy
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: it there or love at like I always.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Wondered about, like lists for you for the for the packing.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: If you do, like just making a list of things
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: to pack also beforehand? Would that stretch you out? Things
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: like that?
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: Also reframe this because like if you pack light, you
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: have an excuse to buy something there.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: This is what I did in Asia when I packed
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: a backpack for three months. I was like, I'm gonna
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: buy tank tops. I just pulled those out last night.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: I almost wore one tonight. Yeah, so uh yeah it
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: was I know I forgot to, but I'll wear it
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: next week when Gym's not here. But no, that's what
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: we did. I purposely underpacked, or I pack certain things
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: that I knew i'd get rid of along the way,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: and then have room for like stuff I was gonna
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: buy once I'm there, because I'm like, I know, I
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: want to buy a sweatshirt or T shirt there, like
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: make room.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, I'm no damn help on this. I am
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: all of the problem that you just described. That's all
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I do. The only relief I have is just overpacking
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: and like just going crazy with lists and like looking
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: and researching and trying to get ready for it. And
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: then yeah, and then I'm just like, well, this is
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: going to be terrible, and just expecting the worst.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: Do you or Laura, do want does one of y'all
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: like overpack or like underpack or are y'all both?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: I think I'm probably the overpacker. She's probably the She's
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: I think she may have been an overpacker and she's
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: now in recovery. Okay, yeah, I think she she's kind
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: of realized like, Okay, no, I just need a couple
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: pairs of shoes. I need a couple items like that. Great,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: then we'll re wear them some hiking stilettos.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: Well, and Jacob Barty told us how many pairs of
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: underwear he packs, so I know what his.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Answer is, Like, I never want to check a bag.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: No, I always want to be able to carry on.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: I want to go on my carry on. I got
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: a couple I'll re wear, like, uh, pairs of pairs
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: of pants. If I have jeans, you know, if I'm
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: going somewhere for a week, I might have like two
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: pairs of jeans for the whole week, you know, something
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: like that. But underwearing socks, I'm a new pair every
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: day kind of guy one or two. See, I'll wear
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: a hat like on the plane and then like I might,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: I might like throw one hat in.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: My bag, yeah, Yeah, I gotta have two hats.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: If I'm going somewhere that's gonna be like wet or
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: something like that, I have to figured whitney Whitney, and
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: I have to figure out hair.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the hair is situation.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Like if you're gonna be in like lakes and rivers,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna be doing water stuff, you gotta bring
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of hair lot.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: Put those on the hair product. It's got to be
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: travel sized.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Any bring a hair product.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: But I just naturally straight and beautiful.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I hope that we gave you celebated. You're gonna
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: have a great trip. It's gonna be fine. You're you're
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: gonna love it. And now the camera hates me.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I does me? Who cares?
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say that. With the friends that is
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: kind of a double edged sword though, because you mentioned
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: that can cause some anxiety. But I also feel like
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: that takes a little anxiety off of like you and
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: your group. Yeah, right, like she'll be hanging out with
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: them and you don't have to worry about her stressing.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: That's true. That's a good point.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: Well, Rter, good luck with that. Have fun in Portugal,
• 1:17:21
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