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Patriots Catch-22 1/22: Coaching Staff Updates, CFP/Senior Bowl, NFL Draft Talk · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex.
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  Speaker 2: Bar Bizarre, Blizar and Blazarre. Everybody nailed it joined as
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  Speaker 2: always buy our bar.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars No, I know not.
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  Speaker 1: The people on the internet think he doesn't understand it.
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  Speaker 2: And those people fell into like a little coach speaking
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  Speaker 2: it's not that.
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  Speaker 1: Big right, Well, those people claim to know football, but
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  Speaker 1: their nose is too deep in Microsoft exel. My point being,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, there.
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  Speaker 2: When you sit there and you say these things, it's
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  Speaker 2: just the self aware you know exactly what I'm I
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  Speaker 2: know you what you're talking about. But you're saying it
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  Speaker 2: like somebody that is that like not use Microsoft cell
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  Speaker 2: what like you're saying it like you're Dan Campbell, Like
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  Speaker 2: you have to realize there doesn't use.
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  Speaker 1: Microsoft e cell. I think I can talk about not
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  Speaker 1: using microsoftic cell. I think that's.
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  Speaker 2: Perfectly Fairka It's it's so true, like you say these
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  Speaker 2: things like you had like a ten year NFL career
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  Speaker 2: and we we gotta we gotta be tough and we
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  Speaker 2: gotta it's not a toughness, we gotta we gotta play
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  Speaker 2: hard nosed football. Well, you're gonna get it. They're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get all back, you're gonna get your downhill run scheme.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna be coming off the ball. We're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: hitting people again on both sides of the ball. Really,
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  Speaker 2: because both these guys are are are into that sort
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  Speaker 2: of thing. You know, you're gonna get this game's.
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  Speaker 1: Being played at a high level and coach at a
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  Speaker 1: high level for a number of years without having to
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  Speaker 1: rely on all these spreadsheets and formulas and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's just my point is that you don't need
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  Speaker 1: that to be successful. I texted you this yesterday. You
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  Speaker 1: never responded. Did you see they had the Microsoft Excel
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  Speaker 1: National Championship.
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  Speaker 2: I know you're trolling.
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  Speaker 1: I would think that would be where you want them
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  Speaker 1: to go to find coaches.
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  Speaker 2: No, not coaches. Analysts maybe you know in the front office, sure,
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  Speaker 2: but not coaches.
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  Speaker 1: That's that that that's your that's your football ops department
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  Speaker 1: right there. Just go get the twelve people that we're
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  Speaker 1: in the EXEL National Championship.
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  Speaker 2: Listen. I what I liked so much about Vrabel's answer
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  Speaker 2: about all this stuff, and this is not where we
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  Speaker 2: wanted to start with all this news But what I
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  Speaker 2: like so much about his answers to all this stuff
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  Speaker 2: is that he's open minded about the world of analytics. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's but he's not good. But he's not married
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  Speaker 2: to it, and he's not totally against either, right. He
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  Speaker 2: he understands that it's applicable and that it has a place.
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  Speaker 1: But has a place a place. It shouldn't be the
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  Speaker 1: driving force, which I'm all for.
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  Speaker 2: I've I've always said that, But it's as well, like
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  Speaker 2: I I think people could I come across as somebody
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  Speaker 2: that wants to be married to the numbers and all
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  Speaker 2: he wants to draft based off the spreadsheet. That's not
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  Speaker 2: that's not my thing. That's not what I'm saying. All
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  Speaker 2: I am saying is is like in any walk of life,
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  Speaker 2: like more information is good, Like I it's it's blows
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  Speaker 2: my mind when people don't want to close their mind
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  Speaker 2: off to being more informed. Like if you were a
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  Speaker 2: hedge fund manager on Wall Street, would you not want
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  Speaker 2: to make sure that you're uh, you know, completely informed
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  Speaker 2: about an investment? Right? Like you wouldn't go into an
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  Speaker 2: investment at that level with just like fifty percent of
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  Speaker 2: the information. You would go in with one hundred percent,
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  Speaker 2: and that's all I'm asking out of the page.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, but I think when you're talking about sports specifically,
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  Speaker 1: there's a human element there, maybe isn't an investing and
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  Speaker 1: I think the numbers try to wash that out, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it's very important not to forget and to
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  Speaker 1: even embrace the human element of it.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, I don't. I don't want people
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  Speaker 2: to get that twisted. I do agree with you to
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  Speaker 2: an extent.
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  Speaker 1: I think next year, so we usually watched Super Bowl together, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think next year we should watch the Microsoft. No,
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  Speaker 1: we should we have a good time.
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  Speaker 2: No, we want well everyone, you'll be insufferable the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: People. No, because these are actual pros aut of using
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  Speaker 1: it for what it's Maybe I'll learn something, Maybe I'll
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  Speaker 1: learn something, maybe you. I'm fine with them because they're
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  Speaker 1: doing what they do. They're not trying to run a
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  Speaker 1: football team. They're I think the guy who won it
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  Speaker 1: was like a financial analyst.
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  Speaker 2: So well, speaking of running a football team, the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: have coordinators. We are starting to form a coaching staff
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  Speaker 2: here in the building, and I do believe that that
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  Speaker 2: announcement is coming shortly, formally announcing Josh McDaniels as the
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  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, Torell Williams as the defensive coordinator, and the
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  Speaker 2: return of Jeremy Springer. And now we're also starting to
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  Speaker 2: hear some rumblings and reports out there, nothing confirmed, but
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  Speaker 2: reports of potential staffers below those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Coaches.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, positional coaches. So we're going to open
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  Speaker 2: the show with all of that, of course, and before
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Iyota, Now you're adding, that's not even close where
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  Speaker 1: I come from. I know you said Iota.
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  Speaker 2: I say it how I say it. I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to agize anymore. I'm not going to apologize anymore, Yoda,
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  Speaker 2: unless Toyota, the great people at Toyota come and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: Evan needs to say this correctly.
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  Speaker 1: I do think they want to say it correctly.
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  Speaker 2: Then I will change my mind. But until then, I
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  Speaker 2: am going to.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard Tyota, I've never heard.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's how I say it. I guess I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: No, I've never heard you say that. That's not how
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  Speaker 1: you say it. I think you're two in your head about.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, I totally am. All right, let's get down
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  Speaker 2: to business though, enough joking around, enough banter off the
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  Speaker 2: top of the show. So Josh McDaniel's back as the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots offensive coordinator. I do want to start there. There's
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  Speaker 2: a different couple different layers to this. The biggest one
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  Speaker 2: note to me and really across the entire staff with
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  Speaker 2: Terrell Williams as well, whose first time play caller but
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  Speaker 2: has been coaching NFL football for like twenty five years.
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  Speaker 2: Very experienced, Yeah, very experienced. Is this tends to have
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  Speaker 2: with coaching changes that you flip flop, right, You go
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  Speaker 2: from a demanding, hard nos authoritative, authoritarian coach to a
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  Speaker 2: player's coach, and then when that doesn't work, you go
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  Speaker 2: back to the authoritarian. And you know when you go
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  Speaker 2: with an inexperienced staff last year with a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: first time guys doing first time things. Now this year,
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  Speaker 2: you're going with Mike Frable on his second stint as
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  Speaker 2: a head coach, Josh McDaniel's on his third stint as
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots offensive coordinator. It is completely in totally polar
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  Speaker 2: opposite approaches from what they did last year. We are
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  Speaker 2: no longer going to be worried about this guy's never
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  Speaker 2: had this title before, that guy's never called plays before.
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  Speaker 1: The term growing pains will be used a lot less frequently.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a good thing. Now, that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that it always works, right, like these flip
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  Speaker 2: flops don't always work. But I do think it's a
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  Speaker 2: good thing. And the biggest thing with McDaniels in particular
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  Speaker 2: is that this is a truly what's the word, a
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  Speaker 2: truly sharp, experienced, veteran savvy coordinator. You can say what
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  Speaker 2: you want about him as a head coach, but there's
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  Speaker 2: not gonna hire. There's not going to be any questions
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  Speaker 2: about his ability to run a quarterback, his ability to run.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't mean physically run, I mean like coach
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback, install a system, run an offense, cater the offense,
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  Speaker 2: game plan, play call in game. There's not going to
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  Speaker 2: be any unknowns. We know exactly what the Patriots are
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  Speaker 2: getting themselves into. And for Drake May, that stability and
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  Speaker 2: that experience I think is going to be really big
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  Speaker 2: at both head coach and offensive coordinator for a young quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm excited about that. I want to get into
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  Speaker 2: the scheme stuff and what I think will happen here
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  Speaker 2: moving forward with Josh McDaniels. But what is just your
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  Speaker 2: big picture thought on McDaniel's coming back.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a good higher. I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: good higher. You know, there is definitely the draw and
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  Speaker 1: I had talked about it when we did that show
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  Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago about like trying to find their
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  Speaker 1: own Ben Johnson, and that came with risk and reward.
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  Speaker 1: But if you just want somebody who can get in
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  Speaker 1: and get this thing going as quick as possible, that's
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  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. And it's not even closed. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: for is he perfect?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 1: You know the play sequencing sometimes gets under your skin,
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  Speaker 1: the screen stuff, but for everything he brings from an
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  Speaker 1: experience standpoint, from an operational standpoint, from his experience with quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 1: his ability to be flexible, his ability to be multiple
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  Speaker 1: We talked about this last week, Evan. When people say
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  Speaker 1: I don't like Josh McDaniel's offense, Well, what is Josh
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  Speaker 1: McDaniel's offense, Because like everything's at his disposal, there really
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  Speaker 1: isn't anything that he doesn't do. There's certainly things he's
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  Speaker 1: done more than others, but we've seen him do a
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  Speaker 1: very good job tailoring his offense to his quarterback. I
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  Speaker 1: had seen it a lot, but when we've seen it,
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about how that Cam Newton offense with Demir
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  Speaker 1: Bird and Ryan Izzo and a washed Cam Newton was
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  Speaker 1: still probably better than it should have been. Rookie mac
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  Speaker 1: Jones had the sixth highest ranked offense in the league.
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  Speaker 1: I would say he tailored that to mac Jones arguably
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  Speaker 1: almost to a fault, because you know that year, I
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  Speaker 1: think is kind of why he when that stuff about
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  Speaker 1: the screens really became ah wi, there's so many screens,
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  Speaker 1: and then you saw what happened the next year when
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  Speaker 1: they had mac Jones trying to throw down the field
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  Speaker 1: more so, and that to me is the big thing,
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  Speaker 1: like how is he gonna tailor it around Drake May.
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  Speaker 1: There's probably a couple different directions he can go We've
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  Speaker 1: talked about some of the bigger points. Right the quarterback
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  Speaker 1: runs the RPO game, I'll be really interested to see,
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  Speaker 1: and generally he's done a good job of Okay, this
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  Speaker 1: is what my quarterback can do. This is what I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna ask him to do. I don't think he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: try to cram Drake May into the Tom Brady system
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that. The one spot where I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if there's maybe a sticking point or where he goes
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  Speaker 1: more towards what he wants to do. We know Josh
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  Speaker 1: McDaniels likes to operate under center so he can run
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  Speaker 1: some of that play action stuff. We know Drake May
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  Speaker 1: is a shotgun quarterback. What's the distribution like there? Do
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  Speaker 1: we finally get to see that piss stuff that we
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: didn't see last year that we wanted to see? That's
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  Speaker 1: my big question. But I mean that's more operational than
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  Speaker 1: just like is this gonna succeed or not. I'm more
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  Speaker 1: curious what it's gonna look like. Will they be the
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  Speaker 1: number one offense in the league. Probably not, And some
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  Speaker 1: of that is just on talent. A lot of that
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  Speaker 1: is just on talent. But I would expect to see
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  Speaker 1: a much more versatile offense, a much more consistent offense
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  Speaker 1: than we saw last year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So just to start from a schematics standpoint, it's
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  Speaker 2: almost like, let's use the cheesecake Factory because they got
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  Speaker 2: that big love the chews, they got that big, big menu,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like there's like a hundred
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  Speaker 2: things on that menu. So Josh McDaniels has always gone
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: to the cheesecake Factory and he's always ordered something similar
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  Speaker 2: because of the types of quarterbacks he's had, Tom Brady,
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  Speaker 2: Mac Jones, Derek Carr, these are all stationary pocket passers.
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  Speaker 2: Although he's always ordered the cheeseburger, that doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 2: there is an Aposta dish on the menu. So he
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  Speaker 2: just hasn't necessarily ordered the pasta dish. As much I
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  Speaker 2: have seen Josh McDaniels enough flex that he has different
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  Speaker 2: dishes on the menu. It's just when you're a play caller,
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  Speaker 2: you call the plays based off of what your personnel does, well,
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  Speaker 2: you call the plays based off the defense, So you
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  Speaker 2: just might not necessarily order that stuff off the menu.
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  Speaker 2: With Drake May, everything is on the menu. He is
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  Speaker 2: one of those quarterbacks that it's great to have the
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  Speaker 2: greatest quarterback of all time. No one's like saying that
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  Speaker 2: it was bad for McDaniels to have Tom Brady. That
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  Speaker 2: would be silly. But tom Brady was not running quarterback runs,
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  Speaker 2: he was not moving the pocket. You were not bootlegging
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  Speaker 2: with Tom Brady. You were not running RPO and zone
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  Speaker 2: Reid and all that kind of stuff with Tom Brady.
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  Speaker 2: Now all of those things are available to a play
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  Speaker 2: caller like Josh McDaniels, who has the birth of the
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  Speaker 2: playbook to be able to do those things and has
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  Speaker 2: shown that in pockets that he can do those things.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm really interested from that standpoint point how his
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  Speaker 2: offense now evolves, because he is one of those guys
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  Speaker 2: that I think is really, really smart, and he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be excited, I would think to be able to
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  Speaker 2: finally almost combine elements of like the Cam Newton offense
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  Speaker 2: with his traditional drop back passing game to get to
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  Speaker 2: an offense that melds really the twenty and twenty one
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  Speaker 2: offenses together. I think that's a good starting point. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying that mac Jones. Obviously, Drake may has much
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  Speaker 2: more arm talent and physical ability than mac Jones, so
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  Speaker 2: hopefully quickly they evolved past just the mac Jones twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty one offense, but as a starting basic install type
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  Speaker 2: of point, you have the run game with camp Newton,
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  Speaker 2: which was eighth in the league in DVOA. They were
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  Speaker 2: third in the league in rushing yards per game that
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  Speaker 2: season in twenty twenty and the pass game of a
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  Speaker 2: mac jones offense. You meld those things together when we
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  Speaker 2: get here in here April May June, and you're really
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  Speaker 2: doing basic install type stuff. My guess is is that
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  Speaker 2: is where McDaniels will start and some of those things
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  Speaker 2: that we can get into in terms of the specifics,
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  Speaker 2: but really at his core the tenants of his offense,
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  Speaker 2: he is gonna run a gap run scheme. He's gonna
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  Speaker 2: run downhill. You're gonna get the full back back. I
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  Speaker 2: would assume you're gonna be running he told you that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna build that story. Maybe you're gonna be running lead,
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna be running power, You're gonna be running counter,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna be running wham. You're gonna be running crack
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  Speaker 2: toss like this is gonna be We're coming at you.
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  Speaker 2: We're coming at you downhill and One of the things
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  Speaker 2: that I really love about the McDaniels offense is that
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  Speaker 2: he understands who he's putting in binds and who he's
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  Speaker 2: putting in conflict with those run actions. So he knows
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  Speaker 2: that when he leads that full back through the hole,
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  Speaker 2: that the linebacker has to come down, right, He has
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  Speaker 2: to come down and press the back the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the full back. So what's he gonna do with play action.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna lead that full back through the hole. He's
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  Speaker 2: gonna run across or a seam right by the linebacker,
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  Speaker 2: and the ball is gonna go right by his ear,
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  Speaker 2: and you're going to be off and running. It's different
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  Speaker 2: from the Shanahan McVeigh style, where you're really trying to
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  Speaker 2: get matchups down the field. You're trying to get those
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  Speaker 2: single high safeties, get the one on ones on the outside,
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  Speaker 2: and bombs away down the field. This is a second
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  Speaker 2: level intermediate passing game. I do believe though, that that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna fit Drake May, because Drake May, unlike mac Jones,
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  Speaker 2: has the ability to drive the ball through those windows
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  Speaker 2: right in the middle of the field. So now the
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  Speaker 2: deep middle is back, the seams are back. Like these
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  Speaker 2: are things that I think they had trouble accessing because
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  Speaker 2: of Mac Jones's arm talent that they didn't necessarily have
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  Speaker 2: in his rookie season. Now they have that back on
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  Speaker 2: the playbook or black on the menu, just to continue
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  Speaker 2: with that analogy. So I'm excited about that. You mentioned
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  Speaker 2: the Cam offense. There's obvious differences athletically between Drake May
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  Speaker 2: and Cam Newton. Cam Newton was six foot five, two
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounds. He was a battering rate. Yeah
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  Speaker 2: to run Mac Jones one hundred and thirty seven times, yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're not gonna run Drake May one hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 2: seven times like you did with Cam Newton in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna get him killed. You're just not gonna do that.
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  Speaker 2: But there's ways to tweak it. You know, Cam was
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  Speaker 2: running inside, he was running in between the tackles. The
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  Speaker 2: back was usually the guy they inverted their RPO, so
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback was going inside, the back was going off
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  Speaker 2: the tackle. Now, if you flip that, where all Drake
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  Speaker 2: May is doing is kind of holding that unblocked defender
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  Speaker 2: to open up numbers to the to the run inside.
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  Speaker 2: And every once in a while when that and crashes,
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  Speaker 2: he can just keep it out the backside and just
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: be in space. And now he's not in crowds, he's
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  Speaker 2: not gonna get his bell rung hopefully as much and
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  Speaker 2: get hit as often as he would if he was
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  Speaker 2: running downhill at the line of scrimmage like Cam was.
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  Speaker 2: So there's ways to kind of tweak those things. But
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  Speaker 2: when you go back and watch that twenty twenty offense,
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  Speaker 2: like I hear a lot about Josh McDaniel's offense, it's outdated.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't know how to do those sort of things.
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  Speaker 2: It's all there in twenty twenty. All the RPO, all
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  Speaker 2: the zone read, all the quarterback design run on the
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  Speaker 2: goal line, like, all that stuff is all there.
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  Speaker 1: The roster just wasn't good, Like you don't have the
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: talents execute at a high level. I'll say this too,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: if you want to do some of that stuff, especially
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: the goal line stuff. Yeah, full house package they ran
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: with Cam Newton, right, Joe Milton. Okay, Joe Milton.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Let's just know why why not?
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Don't don't.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Let's just a bit He's not get to Joe Milton
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: seventeen minutes into the show, Like why not? Like because
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: that's not the point. Like, the point is to get
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: this offense to a point where we don't have to
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: do gimmicky stuff.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: No, but Josh McDaniels does gimmicky stuff for Oh, look
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: at Ben Johnson with the trick plays Josh McDaniels. That's
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: in his bag too. And whether it's all right we're
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: gonna go full house on the goal line with Joe
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Milton because he is a tank and he can put
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: his shoulder down and run through a defender on the
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: goal line, whether it's getting creative with a guy like
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas, who is just gonna fascinate me in this offense.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: You know, I've always said to the one real issue
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I've had with Josh McDaniels, he's never really been able
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: to figure out scheme touch guys Nikhil Harry john who
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Smith except for Cordero Patterson was the one guy figured
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: out there happens to be a very Corderol Patterson like
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: player in this draft. And save me On Williams, is
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: that somebody you start talking about. Let let's not rule
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: out the gimmicky stuff because McDaniels is good.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not ruling out the gimmicky stuff.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I'm just I want to see Marcus Jones. They touchdown
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: pass to Joe Milton.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: But they need to have some base offense.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I know they do.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I know Ben Johnson I think gets misunderstood a little
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: bit because people make a big deal out of the
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: trick plays that the Lions have ran over the last
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: couple of years. That's not what makes Ben Johnson great.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: The last.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: What made Ben Johnson great was what is his system? Right?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the difference between a guy like
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: McDaniels and some of these other guys that they floated
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: that and look, I am right there with everybody on
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: the tight pants guys like you know, I love those
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: types of guys. But the issue with hiring like the Yudanisky,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: the kid from Minnesota is twenty eight years old. The
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: issue with that is obviously an experience, but it's, you know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: to unpack that he's never run a quarterback before, he's
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: never coached a quarterback before, he's never developed a young
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: quarterback before, he's never called plays in an NFL game
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: like those types of guys. With a second year quarterback
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: and an offense that really has a long way to go, is.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: It was a bit of a concern. That's why I
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: came on to the show last week and said I'd
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: hire McDaniels. Yeah, because this is just where you're at,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: where you're at right now, it's a lot like Vrabel
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: like where you're at right now is you need stability,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: you need experience, and from that, you know, until we
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: get into the trick plays and the Joe Milton package
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff, you need to install a base
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: offense and a system that is sound and that works
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: and that can be successful until you and then you
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: can start adding all this other I.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Liked them to get to the point where they're adding
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: some of that stuff this season, right I don't you
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: don't need to wait two to three years to do that.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: You get the base Drake touchdown, I know, obviously, But
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: McDaniels is good with that stuff. McDaniels is good with
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: because it's a it's a core Belichick philosophy. Do we
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: have players that are good at specific things, and we
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: can take advantage of those specific skills. If you're down
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: on the goal line and you have a six foot five,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: two hundred and forty pound quarterback who's mobile, McDaniels is
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the kind of guy and it's not gonna be every play, yeah,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: but McDaniels is the kind of guy that's gonna find
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: a way to take advantage of that. You have a
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: guy in Pop Douglas who's incredibly good in small spaces,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: He's quick, he's impossible to tackle in a phone booth,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: like McDaniels can take advantage of a guy like some
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: of these guys. That maybe the big thing with Pop Douglas, right,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And I don't mean to compare Pop Douglas to Joe Mill,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: it's a little different, But when it comes to Pop Douglas,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the question has been you know, yes, he has he's
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: great with the ball in his hands, he has this
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: great skill set, but can he be of allvolume guy.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I think McDaniels is the kind of coach from his
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: experience that will have ways to make Pop Douglas an
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: impact player without him necessarily having to be a volume guy.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: And I think that's part of the perk with Josh
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: McDaniels is as you build this roster up and eventually
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: you want to get to the point where there's all
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: these elite players all over the field. Right, But he
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: generally the Mac Jones here, the Cam Newton here, he
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: generally gets more out of the talent he has disposable
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: for him. His offense is generally punch above their weight,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and part of the way he does that, A big
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: part of the way he does that is he finds
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: players with specialized skills and he maximizes those skills and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: maybe in spurts, but he does it. So as you
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: talk about installing the base offense, that's obviously the big
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: picture here, but let's also let's not lose track of
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the fact that he is going to do part of
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the draws. He's going to do some other things that
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: are creative that maybe they weren't doing the last few years.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: That is going to allow this offense hopefully, Right, how
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: do they get to the to be the six scoring
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: offense in the league under Jones? It wasn't by putting
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: it all on Max Jones shoulders with some of the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: other stuff they were doing, right, same with Cam Newton here.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: So whether it is a package with Joe Milton, where
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: it is getting creative with Pop Douglas, maybe it's doing
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: something with the running backs, and I have a running
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: backs take on Josh McDaniels too. I want to get
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to like, I'm excited to see that side of it
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Okay I'm not, but of course not. I understand where
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: you're coming from. The other thing. I just wanted to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: mention with McDaniels, I just I really don't think he
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: gets enough credit for how good of a run game
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: schemer he is. So there his last three full seasons
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: as an offensive play caller, not the twenty three season,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: taking that one out because he'll coach the Raiders for
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: half the year, but they were eighth, ninth, and fifth
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: in DVOA running the ball in twenty twenty two, for
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: all its faults in Vegas, he had the rushing king
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: in the NFL and Josh Jacobs the number one leading
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: rusher in the league was Josh Jacobs that season with
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels. So if you talk when you talk about
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: taking things off Drake May's plate, making it easier for
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Drake May, what we're really talking about is can you
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: be balanced r Can you have a run and a
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: pass game that are successful, and then can you hit
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the easy buttons in the passing game, which is play
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: action RPO moving pockets like those types of things are
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: what make it easier for a quarterback so that he's
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: not just drop back passing progression read get the ball
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: out in two and a half seconds all the time.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: He's not trying to be Tom Brady, where he's just
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: efficiently picking a part of defense all the time. The
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: easy button is becoming extremely popular. It's why Ben Johnson
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: just got a head coaching job. It's why Sean McVay
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: and Kyle shanahan and Kevin O'Connell are the darlings of
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: the NFL right now on the offensive side of the ball,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: because those guys are able to do that more times
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: than not. With McDaniels, I think he has that element
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: of his game to him. I think he's great at
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: scheming together the run game and the play action passing game.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: We've talked about this in the past. You know, a
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: couple of years, Patricia Alex van Pelt a lot of
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the time, like they would run run plays that weren't
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: didn't make sense with the pass the play action pass
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: right like they were running like a downhill duo and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: then they were repairing that with like a bootleg route
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: concept and you're just like, how this is not who's
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: this impacting Who's in conflict here? Like, where's the space
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: that you're trying to create with this? It just didn't
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: marry together. And I think one of the more refreshing
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: parts about this hire is that they are going to
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: run a system. They are not going to run a
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: collection of plays. This is gonna be a system that's
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: going to fit together, that's going to make sense. Now,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: after all the gushing and all the praise that I
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: just taped on Josh McDaniels, I do have concerns.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I'll just on the run game real quick. The other
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: thing I'm excited about is I would think we're going
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: to get back to the early down passing down back,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and the last couple of years it's just been by
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: drive or by stamina or whatever. Right, all right, Remandre,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: You're in for these five plays Antonio gibbson Europe, next
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and right, and it's not situational. There's benefits to that,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: there's certainly benefits to that. But I think one of
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the downsides is by the end of the year the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: last three years, or Andre was just they it was
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: too much, right, right, they put too much on his plate.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I would hope now we go back to that early down,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: passing down dynamic, which the downside is it's a little
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: more predictable, but it allows you to specialize players and
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: guys are doing with their best at more often than not.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: So Stevenson's well rounded back, we'll see is he the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: early down guy? Is he the passing down guy? Would
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: think he'll be the early down guy. And then it's
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: can they go Fine, we get to get back to
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: this conversation now of you know the next James White,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Shane Vereen, Danny Wood, Kevin Falk finding that kind of guy,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and maybe that's Antonio Gibson. Maybe he's just a spellback
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: for Stevenson in the early role and there's another passing
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: down back something like that. But I am looking forward
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to them going back to that dynamic, that that philosophy
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: splitting the running backs on offense.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Well, from that standpoint, from my personnel standpoint, I job
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: just got a whole lot easier because we know the
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: types of players he's gonna be looking for. We know
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the types of all the way down the line offensive linemen.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: They're gonna be a power run team again. You can
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: bet your bottom dollar that the outside zone stuff is
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: out right, like, that's not coming back. It'll be just
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: like I said about the cheesecake factory. It will be
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: on the menu, but that's not gonna be a featured part.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: They're not gonna major in outside zone. They're not gonna
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: be big on that. They're gonna get back to running
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the ball downhill. They're gonna get back to get you know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: guards Mike on Wenu, Shaq Mason like bigger guards, full
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: backs like. I think Remadre Stevenson benefits a lot from this.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I think this was where he was at his best
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: was in this type of offense and all this outside
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: zone experimenting. I don't think it ever really fit him.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I think this will fit Remandre. I think this will
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: get him back to where he needs to be as well.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: The last thing in terms of the drop back pass
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: game on the positive side, and I do want to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: talk about some of the of the small sea concerns.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I don't have any like big major concerns, but I
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: do have some small sea concerns. One of the other
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: pet peeves that I had about the Van Pelt offense,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: and we discussed this at nauseum during the season, was
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: how little scheme related conflict there was in their passing
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: game to beat man to man coverage, like it was
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of isolation routes, like we're gonna sprace the field,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: we're gonna be stagnant, We're gonna be isolation routes, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: it just you beat the guy across from you. With McDaniels,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: you're gonna see stacks back in. We're gonna see pick
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: plays back in, Like he's gonna find ways to get
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: guys off the line of scrimmage and have them have
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: advantageous ways to attack leverage and attack man coverage. You
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: know how many times would you see Julian Edelman like
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: in that short motion and then they get him into
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: that two receiver stack and then just snap the ball
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: right away and have the defense on its heels. Like
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: those types of little intricacies to their drop back passing
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: game that will be back in with McDaniels are intriguing
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: because it just makes it easier on receivers to get open. Right,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: You're not just asking a Kishan Boody to go one
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: on one on the outside and win five six times
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: a game, which we know is probably not going to happen.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: So you hope that the receivers are better, and that
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: just that lends itself in itself. But at the same time,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I think that McDaniels is really really good at those
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: sort of things. As far as the smallest sea concerns go,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I think the main one for me, at least is
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: how much information are we putting on Drake May, Like
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: how much stress are we going to put on Drake
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: May at the line of scrimmage, making the calls, making
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the line calls, making the checks, like all those types
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: of things. Or are they going to go with a
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: more watered down quarterback friendly version of the offense that
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: we know and some of the things that you've heard
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: about McDaniels during this year off that he's gone around
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: to some college programs Ohio State, USC, a couple other
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: places to make I think Albert Breer said it was
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: more user friendly, try to make the offense more user friendly.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I'm intrigued by that, and I hope that that's real,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Like I hope that that's actually where they're gonna go,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: because it's a lot to put on a second year quarterback.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: And I not that Drake May isn't smart, but I
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily know if that's what you're really trying to
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: flex with Drake May is the mental muscle, like you're
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: trying to flex the playmaking muscle, not necessarily winning above
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the you know, between the ears, because that's what he
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: has to do.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance that mc dames will
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: only get flexible and maybe borrow from Van Pelt that
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: David Andrews is more involved in the in the pre
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: snap stuff.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think anything is possible. I think anything's on
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the table. My guess is, though, is that he will
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: be in Drake May's ear until they shut off that
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: had set fifteen seconds before the snap. And that's what
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: he did with Mac Jones his rookie season, and so
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I think that he will hold Drake May's hand in
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: that respect more than we're going to put this on
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the center. So we'll see how that works out. You know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: their coaches have done that. Sean McVeigh famously did it
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: with Jared Goff early on in Jared Goff's career. So
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I think it's possible. And as we build here, the
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: hope is is that he can put more and more
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: on Drake May's plate mentally. But it's it's a lot
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: you know, you already as a quarterback have a ton
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: of things to worry about when you get to the
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. And now to add on top of that,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: you know, what's the front, where's the splitz threats coming from?
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: How are we sliding protections, how are we setting mike
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: points like all that kind of stuff. It's cumbersome, Like,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: there's a lot to think about from the quarterback perspective.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I just wouldn't well, I would rather not go down
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: that road again. But we'll see how Josh McDaniels does that.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: The other thing that is just a small sea concern
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: for me is that notoriously not all not he's not
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: allergic to motion, but he's not a big proponent of motion.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: They've been middle of the pack his offense is you know,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: the last three or four years that he's running offense
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: have been middle of the pack in terms of rate
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. And if they're gonna
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: be gun and we talk about this a lot, if
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: they're going to be a more gun centric team than
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: what he's run in the past, window dressing is key,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Like you have to have motion, you have to have
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: elements like that in your offense to bait the defense
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: out of passing lanes and to manipulate defense and things
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: like that, because you're not going to get the under
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: center turn your back to the defense hard play action fake,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: So you have to have orbits where the motion goes
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: behind the quarterback, jets where the motion goes in front,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: you know, other different things like that to add elements
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: and options for the quarterback to then confuse defenses. So
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: he's spent some time, like I said, going around to
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: college programs, Chip Kelly, Lincoln Riley, like those types of guys.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: They all major in motion. Every college team does basically
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: at the D one level at the high level schools.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: So where does he go with that? How does he
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: make this gun offense more I hate to use the
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: word modern.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: More, you know, just how does he involve more motion?
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: How does he evolve? How does he evolve offensively in
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: those respects? I think is important because his last two offenses,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the Raiders and the Patriots, were both top three and
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: under center rate. Right, you're under center almost fifty percent
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: of the time in Vegas in twenty two and forty
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: three percent of the time with the Patriots in twenty one.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I just can't imagine that Drake May is going to
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: be super comfortable with that. So if you're going to
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: be a gun team, how do you now build the
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: McDaniels Staples into a gun offense?
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: That's a big one, But I don't necessarily think it's impossible.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: It's just where that the where do they go from there?
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Do you have anything else on McDaniel's No, All right,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: let's go over the defensive side with Terrell Williams. So,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I think is an interesting hire. A lot of really
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: really high praise for him as a defensive line coach. Now,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: he's never called the defense before, so that's a big,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: a big known the only guy right now that they
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: have that doesn't have all the experience necessary at the
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: at the job that he's being hired to do. So
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: he's never called plays before. But when you listen to
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: former players, current players on the Lions talk about him
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: as a defensive line coach, it's nothing but heavy play.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey him on Twitter.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's really good with that. He's really good
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: with the front. How do they now go out and
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: get somebody that maybe knows the secondary in the back
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: end a little bit better? Is that Mike Pelgrino. Is
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: he like elevated to like a past game coordinator slash,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: you know, secondary coach or something like that. Possibly I'm
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: just speculating, Brian, Yeah, that's possible. But with Terrell Williams,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: you just what are your thoughts on him coming aboard?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: And I will put this other caveat in there, it's
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Frable's defense. I have a ton of fear that the
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: defense is gonna be in bad hands with the head coach.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: And that, and that's my big takeaway, Like this is
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: somebody who worked with Mike Rabel for a long time.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Rable clearly trust he made him assistant head coaches last
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: year in Tennessee. Yeah, And if it's going to be
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Rabel's defense, which I've said all along, that's what I
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: want it to be, then it's just about getting somebody
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: who is familiar with Rabel, how he wants things done,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: how he wants to operate, all of that. And it
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: certainly seems like they got their guy in Williams. So
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, not a ton of big picture of
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: thoughts because I maybe he calls the defense, maybe Vrabel
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: calls it, but I think it all runs through like Rabel,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be his defense.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. You know, just a little bit of
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: the film study that I've done on their twenty three defense,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: and I think, you know, it's a good thing with Rabel,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: but he's so malleable to the personnel that I don't
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: know how much of that was just this is the
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: horses that they had, and so they they shifted because
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: of that. And that's not necessarily what he is going
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: to major in here. But they did a lot more
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: four down stuff. They're a lot more even front, four
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: down defensive lineman, a lot more aggressive up the field
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: penetrating type fronts. You know, they overload a side, they
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: go wide and nine with the a gaps open on
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: passing downs to run those games and I let the
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: three techniques penetrate. They did a lot more of that
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff than the Patriots do, and they play
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: a lot more zone behind it as well. Now, the
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Patriots I don't think are going to do that in
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: terms of zone, but I do think that there's a
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: chance that we could see more of a four down
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: attacking front with Terrell Williams and with Mike Rabel than
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: what we've seen in the past.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: And I for one love it now fits Perl.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: They have to find the linebacker play right, Like that's
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing is that with that type of system,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: with guys getting up the field, with the coverage space
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: that you want to be able to cover as well.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Like you don't necessarily want the Juwan Bentley types, right,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: you want the Matt Milanos of the world. You want
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: those athletic linebackers, the Fred Warners if you're going to
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: run that kind of system. So they would have to
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: maybe identify some linebackers that could do that sort of thing.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Zact bond Hello free agency. But at the same time,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I've been clamoring for them to be more aggressive and
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: get there's a place for it. There's a time and
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: place for everything in football, but the two gapping build
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: a wall, you know, gap integrity in the pass rush,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: don't run past the quarterback. It all has the time
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: and place, But at other times you need to be
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: able to pressure that well.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: And what you're describing that's going to maximize guys like
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Christian bar More, key On White. If they draft Abdul
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Carter would be a great fit in what you just described.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: So I think they'll be flexible as well, but definitely
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: energizing the front that actually minded me. If you want
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to go back, we can do this or not. It's
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: up to you. I did like the winners and losers
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of the McDaniels hire for players, we can do it
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: or do you want to? I don't want to blow
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the whole show up now. I just thought of it
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: because we kind of did that on defense, kind of
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: up and down putting. Now i'mutting you on the spot
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: with ups and downs.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, this is off season ups and down.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I had four winners for losers for the McDaniels hire.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: All right, winner Remander Stevenson. Great, we already kind of
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: talked about that. I think he's gonna be putting a
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: better position. Kendrick Bourne if he's here, if he was
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: on a thousand yard pace before he got COVID, now
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: that was three years ago and an acl terror goo.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I get that, yep, but he was. He was excited
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: yesterday on social media. I get why. Yeah, Hunter, Henry.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah had both systems are good with tight ends.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, city, So I'll explain the city. So in
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: a second, that more to my to my losers. Okay,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: So here are not losers, but like, here's who's going
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: to struggle more, here's who's This is not good news
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: for Jalen Polk.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think I'm also sure about that one we'll
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: called Jalen Polk. Javon Baker won Javon Baker. I can
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: understand because of the mental side I be in this offense.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: But doesn't Jalen Polk have a little Jacobe Myers in
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: his game?
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Well that's what we thought last year and look what happened.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: So I just like if he struggled with the offense
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and last year, I.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Feel like this system from a mental standpoint, you mean,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I guess I can see that. I just think from
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: a skill set standpoint, and look, I Jalen Polk is
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: one of those guys that I need to see it
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: to believe it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and count on anything from
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Jalen Polk, no offense to him until he shows it.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: But I do think from a skill set standpoint, you know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: they've he reminds me a little bit of Jacoby. No,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: he does.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: But I guess here's my point, here's why I put
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: him on. Like the guys that might end up on
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: the unfortunate side of this, right. Yeah, that's besides the quarterback.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: You can argue that's the most crucial role in Josh
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: McDaniel's offense.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: When Josh McDaniels, and I'm sure he's already done this,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: but when Josh McDaniels looks at the film and decides
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: who from last year he's gonna keep involved, yep. Is
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: he gonna see Jalen polk and say, okay, slot receivers
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: set or is he gonna say we got to get
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: somebody to fill this role. And I just wonder if
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: McDaniels wants to go to somebody that is more proven
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and that he maybe feels he can't lie on more
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: so in terms of role being in Jeopardy Jalen polkaenough
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and then the other two in this Coast of City
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: so point Whole Strange and Laden Robinson. They're gonna go
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: back to running downhill, They're gonna go back to running gap.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: We're gonna see power. Right. You just know McDaniels wants
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: to go get himself a mic on winning with that
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: left guard spot. He wants to go get some three
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pound mauler at left guard. That's not
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: what Cole strangers. That's not what Laydon Robinson is. Maybe
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Strange sticks at center, and that's why I put City Side.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I think Laydon Robinson is that he's not that big though.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I think Laden Robinson is a power guard. He's a
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: power guard, is like big big.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think Leadon Robinson's that small.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I think he's like three ten.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I think Laydon Robinson fits that scheme. Cole Strange definitely does.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Laden Robinson. I actually feel like fits a gap scheme
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: better than what with the outside So.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I think City So does yeah too. So that's why
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I had City So on the on the positives because
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I you know, and maybe they bring in somebody else entirely,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: but I think McDaniel's like he wants he's gonna want
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: mike O Winnu on the left side. Yeah, and I
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: like Cole Strange certainly not that guy. Maybe Laden Robinson's
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: that guy. Maybe City So is that guy.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously Joe Tune, he's just.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: On a hal of Joe that's like, yeah, just go
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: find your time.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying like that they need to find
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: a Joe Toney, but I would say that with McDaniels
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: in the past, though the left side of the line
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: has been geared towards more athletic guys, you know that.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Nate Soldier, Joe Toney, like, those are the two guys
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: that come to mind immediately. Laydon Robinson six, so I
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: think he believes a little bit in blind side protection
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: and having a strong left side and pass pro and
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: all those types of things. They've always they were at
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: their best when they had Joe Toney at left guard,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: who is a more athletic, you know, nimble former college
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: tackle moving inside to the guard, and Shack Mason at
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: right guard. Right, I guess you have your bulldozer on
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the right side next to Marcus Cannon who was another
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: bulldozer on the right side, and you had Nate Solder
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: and Joe Toney on the left side, who are your
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: more athletic, you know, move type of guys. So I
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily rule out more athletic guard. It's just not
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: it can't be cold strange, right, It's got to be
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: somebody that's got a little bit more mass and a
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: little bit more play strength than that. Yeah, but I
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: do think that there's a possibility that they could go
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: after an athletic guard just in a different kind of
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: mold than a cold strange. I think those are all true.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I think Antonio Gibson fits the system really well in
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the passing game. You know, he's that in that James White,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: you know, type of role potentially in this offense, and
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I could see it. I could see that being a
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: nice fit. But in terms of as we've been this
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: forward and personnel, and you talked about Polk and the
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: slot receiver and things like that, I mean this to
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: me definitely puts slot receiver or at least Z receiver
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: at the very very top of the list of the
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: offseason where you need to get a guy that can
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: be targeted a one hundred and twenty five times, not
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Pop Douglas and not a wild card right now like
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Jalen Polk, but somebody that can truly be an engine
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: to your offense from the slot. And you know that
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to me is you know Abuca Rastrepo, Like, are those
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: guys now people that we should really be talking about
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: in the draft?
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I see people say Chris Godwin and Freak. I think
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a good if, It's an important if.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: But yeaheah, that's a really good one too. But that
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: slot role is not it's not a Pop Douglas like
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: you know, like to your point earlier, it's not like
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: that occasional explosive. No, it's like, this is gonna be
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: a ninety catch guy.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas. To me, if we're gonna comp from past
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: McDaniel's offenses, and again, I think it's gonna be different.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there was something new for
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas that we maybe haven't seen McDaniels do a lot.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe you combined kind of I almost go to like
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks and can you have him do some Braindon
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Cooks type stuff, but not that to that level. I
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: look at like dannyman Doola. So you combine some of
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: the Brandon cook stuff and some of the dany Amandola
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: stuff and that's Pop Douglas. But Pop is not a
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: volume guy. He's never gonna be a volume guy. And
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: they they need that, you know. Julian Edelman, Wes Welker
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: can go over the middle, get blasted, get back up next,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: play that sort of thing. So who we were talking
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: about a guy recently who you comp to Deon Branch.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's really a comp.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Oh Golden from Texas. Yeah.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I think I think we said in that conversation, if
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: they hire McDaniels, he's a great fit.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had said I had like two comps for him,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Dyon Branch. You know, for people that don't remember Deon
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Branch as well, like I I he reminds me a
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: lot of Jayden Reid in Green Bay, who, in Green
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Bay's offense is sort of a sixty percent usage guy
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: because they run the ball on early downs and they
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: want to run out of two wide receiver and have
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: the receiver's block and on the perimeter on outside zone
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. And this offense, you know,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: it's always great to have a receiver that can block inside,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: but it's not necessarily quite as important, I would say
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: it than like the McVeigh Shanahan offense, because you're not
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: running to the perimeter.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: And we've seen some of these guys get here and
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: maybe they weren't, Like Edelman was a quarterback in college. Yeah,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: but we saw him kind of learn and embrace because
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: he knew we needed to do that to get on
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: the field. Embrace that blocking role. It's anothering mcdan is
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: as good as a coach, like kind of instill that.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: So maybe Matthew Golden gets here, he starts blocking his
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: ass off.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, it's a good point. I do like Matthew
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Golden though, he's smooth. That guy is a smooth explosive
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: runs well, runs good routes. It grinds me a lot
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: of Dean Branch like. He's not a he's not a
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: power guy. Like, he's not gonna like Moss people and
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. He's gonna he's gonna finesse you a
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: lot like Dion did. So.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Will Lad McConkie in there too, Little Ladd McConkie.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, i' mccomy. Lad McConkie would be a.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Great McConkey would be like the ideal.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So those are the types of guys that you
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: know we as we all know that that we'll be
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: looking for with McDaniels on the defense, you have your list?
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Do you have a defense list too?
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Or I was only writing this for offense, but if
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: you want to do defense, we can do this off
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: the cup here.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of guys.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I mean we are talking about key On White, assuming
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Barbar's healthy. Yeah, those are two big ones. Those are winners.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Yep. I love the idea of giving Vrabel and Terrell
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Williams Keon White and just seeing if they can hone
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: that skill set a little bit. It a little bit,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: two guys that know the defensive line inside and out
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: that can coach it really, really well. I just that's
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: what also attracts me so much to drafting Abdul Carter
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: is because you're gonna be giving this ball of clay
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: pass rusher to Mike Vrabel, who's gonna get out there
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: with the pad on and is gonna be like doing
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: you know, hand technique stuff and teaching him things and
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: having him watch old film and things like that. Like
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that's that's what you want out of a pairing, you know,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: fourth overall pick head coach type of thing. I think
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Keon fits that same bill. You know, he talks a
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: lot about last season, how he didn't get the coaching
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: that he wanted, he didn't feel like he was being
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: coached hard enough, corrected all that kind of stuff. I
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: don't think that's gonna be an issue with these two guys,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: so that that will be exciting. I hope that they
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: can get it out of them.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: So those guys for ups downs you mentioned Bentley, Yeah,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: to buy kind of that same thing, like secondary is
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: kind of personnel specific, right, Yeah. To me, it's already
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: going to have a true free safety or they keep
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: going to keep trying to play Dugger Peppers right there right,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: If you had a true free safety, this is great
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: for Duger and Peppers because they can be those kind
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: of more athletic linebackers.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I would assume that a variable and Williams just based
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: off of what they did in Tennessee. They were pretty
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: flexible with their safeties in Tennessee, like Bayert always played
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: up top, but they were pretty flexible with guys, and
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: they seem to know how to use those tweeters kind
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: of like have that Bill secret sauce of you know,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: this is what you're good at, this is what you're
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: not good at. But I do wonder what the safety
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: is with Dugger and assuming that Peppers is available to play,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: do they have to get away from that a little
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: bit because of how similar they are. And I don't
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: know if that necessarily fits. I don't know if it
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: even would have fit one hundred percent of Bill is
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: still here, right Like, I just don't know if that
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: tandem as good at individually as those players can be
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: when they're at when they're playing well and at their peaks.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I just don't know if I ever have loved the
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: fit next to each other. So maybe they do go
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: out and sign a Javon Holland or somebody like that
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: and make a splash and free agency on a true
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: free safety that can play up top. I certainly would
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: love Javon Holland, but you know, any sort of you know,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: combination of that. But I'm interested to see what this
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: defensive line does with Williams. It was a big issue
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: last year. They couldn't stop the run. We all know
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: that they couldn't rush the passer, they couldn't play in
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the trenches. And as much as I have concerns, you know,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: small Sea again, concerns about him never calling plays before
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: on a defense he is allotted for his work with
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: the defensive line.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna call it? Do you think
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Rabel's gonna call it?
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: I would assume he's gonna call it with Rabel overseeing
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: it a lot like Bill used to. Do you know,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: with the guys that were a little bit early on
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: in their careers as play callers, you know Steve early on,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Patricia early on, where it was one of those things
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: where it's like, all right, like what are we thinking here?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Like what are we doing? Big third down? You know what,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: what's what's what's your next play call gonna be here?
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: And just trying to keep them on their p's and
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: q's and keeping them ahead of things. That's the biggest
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: thing from a play caller, other than marrying the front
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: and coverage and all that stuff, it's also understanding the
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: situation and like what's coming right, Like, Okay, we're gonna
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: have this third down, what's what are we protecting against?
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: What are their tendencies and all that kind of stuff.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes you know, play callers that are young
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: and inexperienced, Uh, they they're just calling plays to try
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: to do what they want to do, and they're not
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: necessarily thinking about the picture, the bigger picture of the
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: opponent's tendency, the game situation. You know, I don't need
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: to pick on him, but like setting it all out,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: blitz at Matthew Stafford for a seventy yard touchdown to
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Cooper cup right, like, thinking of those types of things
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I think are important for young play callers, not that
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: he's young, but inexperienced play callers. That I that is
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: why I'm I'm so excited about McDaniels because you don't
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: have to worry about any of that stuff on offense.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Like he's been there, done it, you know, So that's
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: exciting from that aspect of it as well. Any losers
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: on defense other than the safeties, I guess, I said
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Bentley to VI, Yeah, some of those tweener guys I
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: do always worry about, you know, is every coach gonna
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: see that as a useful thing that you're kind of
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: like this hybrid tweener type of player. I always worry
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: about those guys.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: God show, are not gonna two gap?
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Godshaw. If they're gonna you know, they might play
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: some of that you know, shaded nose, those overfronts and
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: things like that where the noses in the a gap
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: and is still really considered a not a two gaper necessarily,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: but he's got to hold the point of attack, right,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: that's his primary responsibility. But a true nose, like Godshaw, Yeah,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I could see that being something that they go away
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: from I like that though, Like let's get aggressive, Like
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: let's get up the field, let's put some pressure on
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: the quarterback, you know, let's get in the backfield and
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: make some plays behind the line of scrimmage. Like, I
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: think too much of this defense. Even when you stuff
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: the run, it was still like a two or three
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: yard game, and that's considered a stuff. But like, there
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: was not enough penetration. There was not enough splash plays
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: behind the line of scrimmage from this group for the
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: last couple of years. And that's how you get teams
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: off schedule, and that's how you get them into long
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: third downs where you can rush the passer and you
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: can blitz, and you can dial it up and you
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: can create turnovers in a flip field position. Like I
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: just feel like that's more of what they need to
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: do defensively, lasting on this and we'll we'll open it
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: up to everybody. Lots of emails, lots of phone calls.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: I wonder in the draft at the top, if there's
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: a couple of guys that I am not necessarily in
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: love with for them that maybe are in play Mason Graham, Yeah,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: if they're gonna run four down, Uh, if they're gonna
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: run you know, uh, double three techniques, things like that.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: A lot more of that, it becomes a little bit
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: more of a possibility. And even though I don't like
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: it because I I need not necessarily like I wouldn't
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: say that it's a high floor is probably the wrong
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: way to put it, but I just I want to
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: hit down the fairway. But like some of those Georgia
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: guys like MIKEL Williams for example, who is raw. But
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: if you give them to you, guys that know what
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: they're doing and developing defensive linemen like Vrabel and Terrell Williams,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: like could they get him to that next step of
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: his development in like a trade down scenario obviously, Like
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: if you're trading down to the eight to twelve range
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: and you just want to go with upside and tools
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff and have Terrell Williams
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: coach the guy up, then I think some of those
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: those bulldogs, you know, Williams in particular, is somebody that
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: could be back on their radars. But exciting stuff we have.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: We have a coaching stept.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe Luthor Burden will hire on the board too.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that idea. Yeah, yeah, I like Luthor Burden,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: you know that. Yeah, I can see that. Anything on Springer, well,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: that's your your's your slam.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: You know it was good. There's good special teams unit
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: last year. Yep, no need to over complicate it. Vrabel's
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: familiar with Tom Quinn. Tom Quinn, who's the assistant. I'm
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: glad Springer's back. I also thought he just did a
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: good job last year. We haven't talked about this a
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: lot because it's not like a football thing, but you
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: want kind of the tone of the coaching staff to change, right,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: not walking things back press conferences, passing around blame things
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: like that. I still go back to the answer that
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Springer gave that last Friday of the year when he
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: was asked about what it was like getting booed, he
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: was like, look, it's our job to make essentially on paraphrasing, yeah,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: so our job to make sure they don't boo us.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: They're paying good money, they're taking their time out to
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: watch us, to follow us. We got to give them
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: something better. I think that's kind of the tone you
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: want this coaching staff to take.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: So okay, sorry really quickly, but before we we take
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: calls and stuff. I do want to go over some
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: of the assistant coaches and potential hires there, So Tony
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: dues from the Jets. It sounds like it's being reported
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: that he's going to come over to the Patriots and
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: be their running backs coach. I believe, right? Is that
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: is that reported that he's gonna still coach running backs.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: He's been a long time running backs coach, so I
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: assume you coach running backs. But the biggest hire now
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: from this point, and I know I'm going to shock
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: everybody when I say this, but it's the truth. The
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: biggest hire now is offensive line.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Coach, right, other than wide receivers coach.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, offensive line coach is the biggest higher on the
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: staff other than your coordinators and your head coach for
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: any staff. So a couple names here. Obviously the guy
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: that I would target, and it gets complicated because he's
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: under contract with the Giants. But I had to bring
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Carn Brosello back in a second. I think he's a
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: really good coach there. He was great here in twenty
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: and twenty one with the Patriots. He was good in
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Vegas in twenty two. If they can get Carn Bacello
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: free from the Giants. If he, you know, has a
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: really long standing relationship with Josh McDaniels. Maybe it's kind
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: of like what Rabel's doing with some of his guys,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: like you know, Stretch and Trell Williams. Maybe Brian Dable
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: you know, says okay, fine, you know, like he goes
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: to Brian Dable and Brisila says, hey, like Josh, my guy,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Like you know, he's back coordinating the offense in New England.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with him. I would hope that that
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: would be the case. That would be my number one pick.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Keith Carter, who's was the Jets offensive line coach last year,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: was with Rabel and Tennessee, that's another name to watch.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: And I would say Camberon Clemens, who's right now is
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: on the forty nine Ers staff, is their assistant coach
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: offensive line coach, was on the Titan staff as well
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: as their assistant offensive line coach for a number of years.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: So Carl Brisill is the guy to me if you
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: can get him out of New York. Yeah, that's who
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I would target. But that's a big higher and second
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: to that big higher wide receivers coach. I agree with you.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Chad o'sha is an obvious connections. He's in Cleveland right.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Now, and he worked with Rable last year.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, worked with Rabele last year. He's their past game
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: coordinator and their wide receivers coach though, so he's got
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: a pretty good title with the Browns. So I don't
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: know how that would work. And I like Wes Welker.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I like the idea of bringing Wes Welker back, have
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: him start training up whoever's going to play his position
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: in the slot in particular, he's played in this offense.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: He knows it inside and out. He was an All
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Pro player in this offense. And you know he's coached
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: in some other offenses in San Francisco and Miami in
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: that West Coast tree where he could bring some of
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: that flavor maybe potentially to it from a skill Maddox standpoint.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: So I like the Noche is kind of the safe option. Yeah,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I kind of like taking a little bit of a
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: swing on Wes Well.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: I like, I've been big on Welker for a while.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Now I'll give you one more. And I don't know
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: that he's a connection. I just think he's a hell
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: of a coach of Sean Jefferson. Yeah, and assuming New
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: York rebuilds its staff, which you think they will. Yeah,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Sean Jefferson had him to the list.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Yep. All right, So that that was my list in
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: terms of the offensive line coaches and things like that.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: So let's take some of these phone calls. I know
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: you guys have been waiting. Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: Hey, Evin, I want to defend your answer to the
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: question about your favorite running play. I like Power. I
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: think it's a good running play and I think Baber
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: was excited about it bringing in the pullback, and we
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: need to, you know, win in the trenches. They need
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: to establish a run because the most important point to
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: me is like that's going to open up the play auction.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: You've got to have defenses thinking that you're you're going
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: to run the ball. And Alex I also agree with you.
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: I know everyone want to talk about it, but with
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: the short yardage jumbo package and having Joe Milton in
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: there and you know, maybe doing a tush push or whatever,
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: but we need to they also need to win some
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: short yardage, especially at the goal line. Would be nice
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: to just be able to run in the ball there
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: when they can when it's the first and goal. And
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: one more thing, last thing, Bevan, I like your too
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: to read because they remind me of the comedian, the
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: late great Gary Shanley when he said, you know what
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: do they I just got a new car. What do
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: they call it? Is it called a Porsche or Porsche?
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: I can never get that right. So I'm the proud
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: over of a new toyot. So that's it. I'll leave
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: you on that and you can comment.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: Thanks.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Thanks, John. Look, I'm not anti the Joe Milton package,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: all right, and I.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Love It's just fun, So you don't want to talk about.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels has always been like you said, flea flickers,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: double passes, like all the trick players have always been in.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels is in his bag. I'm not anti any
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: of that stuff. I had just more interest and talking
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: about what their base concepts are going to be and
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: how they're actually going to move the ball offensively. Not
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: the one time a game that they want talking about.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: We'll get into that in the spring. But if we're
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: talking about what excites us about Josh McDaniel's overall, I
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: think it fits. Uh From the YouTube chat here. I
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: got so you mentioned carl and Brisilla for offensive line coach. Yes,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Cole Popovich.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: So, and this is again, this is just my read
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: on it. I'm not reporting anything. But it seemed to
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: me that Cole Popovich and that whole twenty twenty COVID
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: season and all that stuff, he burned a bridge with Bill.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: I think that's pretty clear.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: I know, but it's I mean, Josh is an extension.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about bringing Welker back.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's different.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Well, he definitely a bridge, not like this.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I think they Cole Popovitch. Something happened. I don't want
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: to speculate, but something happened with Cole Popovich, that clearly
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: because they had multiple opportunities to reopen that door. Yeah,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: and they didn't, you know, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: they had opportunities to bring him back on the offensive
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: staff and they had no desire. So maybe Josh it's
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: a different guy. I totally can side that. But that
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: it's a good name, it's a it's a good name.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Let's continue with the calls because these guys have been waiting,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: and then we'll get to some of these emails. Getting
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: tons of emails, which is great. Patty is an ago on.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: What's up, Patty? Patty?
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Patty? What's up?
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: All right? Patty? You call back and I know you will.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: All right? Justin is in Virginia. What's up? Justin?
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Fella?
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Team?
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: Hey?
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: So let's say, because we always talk about who we
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: want to draft, but like we don't talk about like
• 57:40
  Speaker 7: the free agency portion of it. I got a hypothetical
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: free agency and I want to ask who you want
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: to get with the fourth overall pick if this is
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: a free agency. So let's say you failed to get
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: Te Higgins, you get Chris Godwin off of an ACL
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: you feel like he is like eighty percent? There, you
• 57:56
  Speaker 7: get Cam Robinson and Jedrick Wills. You're at the fourth
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: overall pick at dual Carter, Travis Hunter and Cam Ward
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: with before you.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: Who do you want?
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: All right? So wait, let me hang run that back,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: run the names and free age. It's tough when we're
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: just listening.
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, so you've got you failed to get Higgins,
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: Chris god off of an ad L. Do you feel
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: like he's eighty percent?
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: There?
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: You got Cam Robinson and Jedrick Wills as your tackles.
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: You don't have anybody you feel like is that notable
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: of the name outside of these guys when it comes
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: to the draft at dual Carter cam Ward and Travis
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: Hunter went, I mean, yeah, those guys.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Those guys are off. Okay, Okay, I get it. So basically,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: you solve tackle, you solve receiver. Ish thanks for the
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Carter and Carter and Hunter off, which, regardless of the
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: freegency stuff, there's a real chance Carter and Hunter both
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: off the board. I'm not ruling that out, so that
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: is something we'll need to discuss. I'll just say this
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: real quick. I'm good on Jedrick Wills. Yeah, you know,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Hurt a lot of heard a lot of stuff out
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: of Cleveland about him just having like a compete level issue.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: And that's a lot of injuries.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not the kind of guy they need in that scenario.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I'm trading down. I'm definitely trading down. And then depending
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: on where I end up. You know, if Ted McMillan's
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: still there, him and Godwin as your your ex and
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: your z or your ex and your slot, I think
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: there's some potential there. Yeah, I still might take a tackle.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Uh and maybe play. No, I probably wouldn't because it's
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be Robinson and and maybe take a right tackle
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: maybe now a guy like you're not trading down far
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: enough for Emory Jones, So no, I guess not. You know,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I take Luther Burden because it's gonna be tough to
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: get him and God went on the field at the
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: same time, maybe like probably best defensive player available is
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: where I'd go. Whether that is yes, Mason Graham, Michael
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Williams now, I might have a conversation about will Johnson
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: honestly if he falls a little bit after a down year.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: If you are really confident that you have solved tackle,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: like you've signed two guys that you really feel are
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: starting caliber players and are going to be seamless, you know,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: plug and play type of guys in free agency, I
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: don't know how you get there.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Can you do that? And do that?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: If you are that confident off of the guys that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: are available in free agency this year, and that's kind
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: of a red flag to me.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think Alec Jackson's a nice player.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: No, I do you think he leaves No, I don't
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: think anybody.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Wants to leave LA. But I think Aleric Janson Jackson's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: a nice player. I don't see guys like Rodnie Stanley
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: hitting the open market, and Cam Robinson after that playoff
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: game definitely gives me some pause. Twelve quarterback pressure is
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: allowed in the playoff game. Not pretty, not pretty. So
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you solve tackle. But if we
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: just go off the assumption that you solve tackle, and
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: then we're going off just to play out the scenario
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: that Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter are also off the board,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Ted McMillan does become intriguing because.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: He also had them signing Godwin too.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Right, And then that's your nice compliment on the outside.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: It just kind of seems like that would complete your offense,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: and at that point you are just looking for that
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: finishing piece.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: You know what. So I'll say this. Let's say hypothetically
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: you solve tackle, yeah, which again I don't know that
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: you can do. But you solved that, Yeah, You've You've
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: gotten Chris Godwin, who's a good wide receiver. So you
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: had a pretty good free agency. As much as I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: hate not addressing the defense, I'd probably look for a
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: pass rusher. There's also a part of me that thinks,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: all right, we did a hell of a job in
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: frequency with this roster. Instead of moving down six, seven
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: to eight, let's move down to twelve get an absolute haul.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get a second this year and a few first
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: next year, and then I might take Tyler Warren.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I can see Tyler Warren being great.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: And Tyler Warren and Josh mcton, and now it's and
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: now I have you know you're probably picking. You're picking
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: at thirty eight, you're picking again in the top fifty.
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  Speaker 1: I'm hammering those those early Day two edge guys, the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Jack Sawyers, the Princely, the guy from from old Missus
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: name I can't remember right now right, I'm hammering maybe
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Dion Walker. I'm hammering the defensive front on those Day
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  Speaker 1: two picks. And now I have two first round picks
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: last year and next year, and if pass rusher is
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: still not solved, I'm flying up the board next year
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: and getting a pass rusher.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: It's not a bad plan.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: I now that's there's a lot of ifs that you
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: have to do to get there, right, and I don't
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: know that they're all achievable. But if that's what we're doing,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I still might take Michael Williams, but a part of
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: me says, let's get that absolute haul for next year
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: and let's have some fun with Tyler Warren.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I just I like Tyler Warren as a player.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: I always am cognizant in general of building your offense
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: through a tight end. Because but you've added Chris Godwin. Yeah,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: but Chris Godwin, I'm not sure where he's at.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I guess Tyler.
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  Speaker 2: Warren is a phenomenal talent. Don't get me wrong. He's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: not brought Bowers, but he's a phenomenal talent. But unless
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: you're really thinking that that tight end is Gronker Travis Kelsey.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say those are the only.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Two guys that I can think of in recent I
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: guess you could kind of say Mark Andrews when he
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: was in his prime, Andrews not great timing but like
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Buffalo legend, but like a couple of years ago, like
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: maybe you could have said Mark Andrews. But that's with Lamar,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: who is like obviously.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: His thing's its own. But I'll say this, if there
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: is anybody who's experienced building an offense not just around
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: one tight end, but two tight ends, Yeah, No, this
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: is the guy. And you're gonna have Hunter Henry. You know,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: you're probably gonna run out of twelve A Tony. You
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: might end up using Tyler Warren kind of as your
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: second slot guy. Yeah, and you're gonna run out of
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: twelve a ton with Hunter Henry, Tyler Warren, Chris Godwin.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 7: And.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: You're gonna You're gonna have some big boys out there.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I'll throw Kendrick Bourne in there. I guess is that
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: next guy. Yeah, and that's gonna be your offense. You
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: could donate it.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: I just feel again like this is sort of more
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: than thing. Like I just if you don't have like
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: a true Gronk Kelsey level talent at tight end, like
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: building your passing game around the tight end position can
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: be difficult, and there are examples of it really at
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: the top of the draft, especially you know Kyle Pitts. Uh,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: let's see brought Bauers had an awesome rookie year individually,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Let's see what that offense looks like if he's the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: engine of the offense, Like, can they build it out
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: around him? I think you still have to have something
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: on the outside. You still have to have, you know,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: a great quarterback obviously. Uh, and I just worry about
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: that being Okay, he's our number our number one coverage
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: dictating game plan Tuesday player. Is our tight end. That's
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: that tight end. Better be a dude like that. Better
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: be a stud tight end.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: That's true, I guess yeah. And again this is all
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: there's so many ifs here, right, Carter's not on the board.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: You've solved these things in free agency.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, like a guy like you, I said,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Tech McMillan, And I know that I've been kind of
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: lukewarm on Tep McMillan, But the main reason why I
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: am luke warm on McMillan is because he's a finishing
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: piece to me, Like you can't. The Patriots are not
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: in a position right now to be drafting finishing pieces
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: or like you know, the cherry on top of their offense.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: They're not in that spot yet. They need to build
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: up the offensive line, They need to build up the
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: trenches on both sides of the football. They need to
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: get that foundation so that when you drop a Tech
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: McMillan into this offense. Now you have Stefan Diggs in Buffalo,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: you have Aj Brown in Philadelphia, like you're hitting the
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: ground running at that point. This is why look at
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: the Giants, and I know the Giants have a much
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: worse quarterback situation, but the Giants draft in my league neighbors,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: he's awesome. What did it do for him?
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: It didn't move the needle, It didn't. He's a great player.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: It did nothing for them. So until you get to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: that point where you can start drafting. You know, we
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: talked a lot about the Lions yesterday, and you know,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: somebody emailed it and said, well, you know, like, why
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: would you stick your nose up to drafting Jamiir Gibbs.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I don't if you are in the position the Lions
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: were in when they drafted Jamiir Gibbs. They already had
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: the offensive line, they already had Penny Sewel, they already
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: had the quarterback. Like, so he was there, Sony Michelle,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: but better right, he was the finishing piece. Uh. And
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: that that's That's where I'm at with the wide receiver
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: position early in the job, because I feel like that
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: call not to like pick on the caller at all,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: but I feel like that situation was begging us to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: say Ted mc millan, right, right, And so that That's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: where I'm at with that. Was there something else you
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: wanted to say? All right, let's Patty's back. I knew
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  Speaker 2: he would be. What's up, Patty guy? You doing.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: Doing all right? Today? I got a couple of questions.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: So the first one is, Alex, if we're we're able
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: to if Carter's there and we take him and we're
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: able to like move up, or if we stay stationary
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: and Ariantierser's there, is that do you consider that being
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: like half assed in the left tackle position? That's the
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: first question. Yeah, okay, And can both of you kind
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: of sell me on Mason Graham because I, uh, may
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: I'm crazy. Maybe it's just me. I think you can
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: get like good interior guys, defensive interior guys and free
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: agency possibly. I don't know what the list looks like
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: this year for for interior, but I mean we need
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: we need that guy, that guy to get after the quarterback,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So like, if if you
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: guys think he's worth it, if he's zerik for and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: the other guys are gone, just try and sell me
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: on him. I'll take that off their.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Guys, thanks, Patty. So the sell for Mason Graham is
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Jalen Carter right, Like, if he comes.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: In, it's not gonna let's not go that nuts.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's that type of player. I'm just
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: saying interior pressure. Jalen Carter, the name of that. I
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: really think that he reminds me of the most is.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: I know I always say the name around, but Fisk
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: or Fiskey and with the ram like just that active
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: up the field, tenacious, uh playmaker at that spot. And
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: I think Graham's a little bit more well rounded, which
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: is why Fiskey fell to the second round or Fisk
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: or whatever fell to the second round, and Graham's gonna
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: go top ten. But the cell is is that with
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: him and Christian Barmore hopefully back at full capacity next year,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: you were going to push the interior of the pocket consistently.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: That's the cell. Now. I'm kind of with Patty like,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: I don't love the positional value of that. It fails
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: very very Washington Commander's circle like twenty sixteen to me,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: where they had all all those guys like Deron, No,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: they're all great players, but where did that get them? Right?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: Like they drafted, remember that that streak they had where
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: they drafted like nothing but interior defensive lineman for like
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: three or four straight years. Yeah, all from Alabama, and
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: they had all these first round picks on their defensive
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: line and they stunk right, Like I just that would
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: be what I would worry about a little bit. I
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: would much rather get the complimentary piece off the edge.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: We all love Abdul Carter, but even if it ends
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: up being somebody.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Else, Michael Williams, James Pears.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: I would kind of rather go that route and be
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: more balanced where you have like three points of a tea, especially.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: If you're I mean, if it's if it's Mason Graham
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: or Michael Carter, plus you get an extra top fifty
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: pick because you're probably trading down. I would much rather that.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: I would much rather that. I think Graham's a good player.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: I just don't know if the spots the Patriots are
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: in right now, it doesn't make a ton of sense.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: And I know he's not a three down interior player necessarily,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: but when you're talking about obvious pass, like third down,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: obvious pass like can't Keon White kind of do the
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: same thing next to Christian bar More that Mason Graham's
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: gonna do for you in terms of penetrating and lining
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: up over guards and rushing inside. Like I feel like
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: you already have that at that third down interior pass
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: rush tandem if you have both those guys healthy and
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: playing well at the same time. So I just that's
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: that's it.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: My good player's great player, great player my rule thumb
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: for this draft. And Evan, maybe this is too simplistic,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: but the Patriots have three either blue chair or potentially
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: blue chip players on the roster. That's it. They have
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: three guys that are true like playmaker. You're gonna count
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: on them down and down out guys, Drake May, Christian
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: ZoZ assuming health, Christian Barber. Right, you have so many
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: other needs, so many needs to take a player at
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: one of those three positions at the top of the draft,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: and you have all those other needs. To me, is
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: just your consolidating talent too much. You need to spread
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: the talent around the roster. Now, if we find out,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: and obviously don't want this to happen, but if we
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: were to find out that Christian Barmber can't play football
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: anymore because it was a medical condition, now all right,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: it becomes a much more realistic conversation to me because
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: you don't already have that guy in that spot. But
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: assuming Christian Barmore is coming back, I just you gotta
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: spread the wealth. There's too many other positions that need
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: to be addressed for you to be like, we have
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: four elite players, two of them are a defensive tackle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the Washington Commanders in twenty like eighteen, Well, they.
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  Speaker 1: Were just drafting as many Alabama players as they got,
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  Speaker 1: When I first saw this guy when he came into
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, he's a good player.
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  Speaker 1: He's a very reliable, steady, consistent pass catcher. He's got
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  Speaker 1: in Tennessee. I'd have to look up his stats.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what his no, but you're high for
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: targets the Patriots last year. Not that that's everything, but
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: he's yeah, he's so's his number three.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: But he's never had more than sixty catch sixty targets
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: in a season. But if you were to sign a T.
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  Speaker 1: Higgins draft, a DK Metcalf trade for DK Metcalf draft
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  Speaker 1: Ted McMillan, right, you get that guy at the X
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  Speaker 1: and now Nick Westbrookie Keene is your slot z yep.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's pretty good. And I don't know, am
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: I wrong Evan that I think he's I could project
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: him towards like one hundred targets.
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  Speaker 2: He's a solid player, yea and uh, and you know
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: we'll do all those little dirty work things and it
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: can run routs and things but he's maybe a little
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: bit more what's the word detailed than Kendrick Bourne, like
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: he's got it. Yeah, Kendrick Bourne has these mental lapses
• 1:15:54
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• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: bit more locked in. But his skill set is a
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  Speaker 2: little bit redundant or similar to Kendrick Borne. He's bigger
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: two six fifteen, so I just wonder a little bit
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: about that, But I do I do like him as
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: a player in terms of that sort of tier that's
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: sort of what you're looking for in free agency. And
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to talk a little bit about
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: the Commanders today just because of what's going on with
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels and that in the run that they're on
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: right now. So much of my takeaway from this Commander's
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: run is that they've done such a great job Adam
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Peters did of just getting the floor of the team
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: to be higher going into the season, so that if
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels was a stud, which he is, that he
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: could elevate the roster the rest of the way right
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: to get them into the NFC Championship Game or at
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: least the playoffs. I don't think they ever thought they
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: were gonna be in the NFC Championship game, but they
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: like Westbrook in Kinneck, I think fits this mold, which
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: is why I segue to it. They signed like Bobby
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Wagner and Wiley right, Taxers, Uh Beadish on the interior
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: offensive line, Zach Ertz, Frank Jeremy Chin. Yeah, like all
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: these guys that aren't household superstar type players, but they're
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: all NFL starters. And that just took the whole the
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: whole level of the of the roster just went up
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: a notch because they just had this floor that was
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: more stable. It's not all that different than what the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Patriots did in twenty twenty one, right where they kind
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: of spread the money around. They've made one splash with judaon,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: but for the most part that they were just kind
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: of getting solid, capable, reliable, steady, veteran presence on the
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: roster and then you just hope that the draft and
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: the quarterback is what knocks it out at me. This
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: is what happened in watch.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: This is what I remember giving this take last year
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: when we were doing the draft and developed stuff. It's like,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: that's all good in Green Bay when you have a
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: foundation bill, but there's no foundation here. It was like,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: you don't have to do freegency every year. I get it.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: The Packers never do freegency, right, Elliott Wolf that's not
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: his background. And look he's not the one calling the
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: shots anymore.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: But yeah, just one.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Year, do free agency. One year build that floor that
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: you don't have that you had in Green Bay. That's
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: what I was. That's what I want him to do
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: last year, and they never did it, so hopefully they
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: do it this year. Yeah.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: And then you know, really where you get your ceiling
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: is in the draft, right, So they get Jayden Daniels,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: which is the obvious one, but they also get Sandri Still.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: They also get Brandon Coleman at left tackle. They also
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: get Luke McCaffrey, who's been like a nice, you know,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: complimentary piece for them, like you get all you know,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Eckler is another one of those veteran guys that they
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: added at running back. You know, like you get all
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: those guys in the building to make your team better
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: in the short term and have that floor rise to
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: a different level. And then if you draft well and
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: you stack that on top of that roster of the
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: veteran guys, now all of a sudden, you have a ceiling,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: right that's a little bit higher than what you thought.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: The Patriots are that exact same position. If they can
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: sign six, eight, ten of those types of veteran free
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: agents to increase the floor of the team and then
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: have another really strong draft. Oh, I say another, have
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: a strong draft, well.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three, you're talking about twenty three.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: But just have a good draft. Yeah, and you stack
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: that on top of it. Now we're cooking with gas
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: like that. You're building something here, and that's that's my
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: hope for the Patriots and free agency. I'm not saying
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: you can't go out and sign t Higgins if you
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: want to.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: Or you probably can't going back to Cincinnati, yeah.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Or you know, Josh Sweat, who's gonna get a top
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: of the market deal.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Josh, what makes a lot of sense for them.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying you can't do that.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Well, you said compare twenty twenty one. They got chewed on, right,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: You get that one guy, right.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: The comparison you're just because the head coach is going
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: to be a lot to two thousand and one where
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: they sign Rabel Anthony Pleasant, Roman Feifer, like they.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Sign like Antoine Smith.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, there's like ten of those guys. Yeah,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: you know, like those types of players. Obviously, the modern
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: comparison is what Washington's doing right now. This is from
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Phil in North Carolina, who's a big Drake May fan.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: So I assume that's why he is now a Patriots guy.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: So we appreciate. I like those types of people. I
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: appreciated Phil. He said that he is not a huge
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: fan of the Josh McDaniels. I wanted to get some
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: different thoughts and I didn't want it to be all
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: sunshine and rainbows. He's not a fan of Josh McDaniels,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: and he wants us to list four pros about Josh
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: McDaniels without saying that he's not a flight risk for
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: a head coaching job. I can I can do this.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: That was the first half hour to show, Yeah, like
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: this is what I don't understand. Like I didn't even
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: mention that he wasn't a flight risk. I think that
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: his he's got a system, which I love. Yeah, he's
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: a known developer quarterback developer, which I like. Uh. He's
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: very good at game planning and he's been in that
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: and no shoes an in game play calling game planning. Uh,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: and I love his run game and play action passing.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: That's fo I can keep going.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: He let me see if I can do four different ones.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: He has a good track record. It's limited, but in
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: the times he's done it, it's been good. Yeah, of
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: molding what he's calling, what he's designing around the talent
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: rather than trying to force the talent what he wants
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: to do. You talk about the quarterback development, he and
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: his system have a good track record of developing offensive lineman,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: so I'll piggyback on that. I much prefer the situational
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: running back distribution versus just doing it by drive or
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: by stamina. And now we're getting on eight here, I'm
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: trying to remember what you.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: Said while you're thinking, there's one other.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: The advisor's a good look, a timeless look.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: The one another thing that I just want to push
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: back a little bit on the whole. Like he calls
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of third down screens, So I look this up.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: We are getting all hot and bothered about fifteen plays
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one they called it fifteen screens on
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: third down and twenty twenty one, So my fifteen that's
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: like two percent of the entire entirety of the plays
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: that they called, right if they called a thousand offensive plays.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not very good at math, but I can tell
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: you that that's like two percent.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Right, we'll put it in five percent whatever? Right?
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: That that that right there is We're getting all hot
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: and bothered about something that they did two percent of
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: And I think the reason he did it again he
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: does a good job of calling plays relative to the
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: quarterback skill set, and I think that's just what he
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: felt best about with Mac Jones on third and lungs.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: I nailed that right, right, one point five percent? Look
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: at that?
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: That was good for you. What would you rather do
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: on that?
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Marine? I did that?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: What did you use Excel to figure out?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: It's called a calculator?
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: I know? Have you heard of that?
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: I have?
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: What I trust me?
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: I have the fact that I had to use a
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: calculator to do that's kind of sad.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: I used calculator for sadder. What would you rather Mac
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Jones doing on third and one. Would you rather him
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: throwing the ball, you know, deep in cuts or would
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: you rather screen and try to let James White make
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: a player whoever make a play?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So so the one, uh, the one can learn that.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Phil also mentions here in this email, and this, to
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: me is is fair, Like I don't necessarily think that
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: I'm super concerned about it, but it's fair. Uh. Is
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: just the fact that McDaniels did not have a great
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: relationship with players in Vegas and that was a big
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: part of why he did not work there and how
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: that could or could deter free agents or trade you know,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: trade guys, guys they targeted in trades to want to
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: play in this offense and to want to come here.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: We also got another email, DeVante DeVante Adams went on
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: a It's it's related, so you can make your point.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: DeVante Adams went on a podcast at some point and
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: said didn't say anything like totally uh scorched earth about McDaniels,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: but he just mentioned that it's like kind of a
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: dink and dunk offense, right, Like they're kind of an
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: efficient offense. They're trying to take chunks out of the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: defense instead of go for big plays and and chuck
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: it deep and and you know, just that whole thing
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: of McDaniels, his relationship with players, his style of offense,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Like is that the most attractive destination?
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Now, well, I think it depends on the player. Look
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: I and this is what I was gonna say, Yeah,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: the time in Vegas, like he's not the head coach here,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: and all the players that played from here loved them.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: You look at what you know, Kendrick Bourne last night
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: reacting like that, so to me where he might make
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: it a tough sell. And this is for any player,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: any coach anywhere in the league. Guys want to show up,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about those top free agents. Guys
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: want to show up, and they won't have a role.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: If you're trying to recruit a you know, slot receiver.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel's gonna pull up all this film of Welker
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: and Edelman and all these guys and say this is
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: what we're gonna have you do. And that guy's probably
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: gonna be pretty excited. Recruiting guy like t Higgins might
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: be tougher. When's the last time Josh McDaniels had a
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: guy like t Higgins, So maybe Devonte Adams, who, yeah,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: objectively is not a great fit in this offense. So
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think like the Vegas stuff is gonna hurt
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: him so much as what can he show players his
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: offense can do for them, And that obviously comes down
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: to the player.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't necessarily think that it's this detriment
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: in terms of the style of the offense, because as
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: long as you have players that fit that style of
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: the offense, we've seen how effective it can be.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: So, Yeah, in mcdaniels's offense, you are not going to
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: get bombs away, Like You're not going to be a
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: team that's going to throw a bunch of deep passes.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: You're not going to get a lot of your plays.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Your explosives are gonna come a lot because you're hitting
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: a fifteen yard catch and run receiver down the field
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: and he's getting to twenty plus because after the catch,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: you know, those are the types of plays that you're
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: going to see a lot more from McDaniels than a
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: downfield aerial passing attack. But if you have players that
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: can catch and run, then what difference does it make?
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: And I think that a guy like Kendrick Bourdon drives
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: in this system because he is good with the ball
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: in his hands and he is good after the catch.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: So as long as you build it, and this is
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: you know, something that I didn't think that the last
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: regime did a really great job of of, you know,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: identifying this is the type of offense that we want
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: to run, this is the style that we want to play.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: What are the players that fit that style of offense?
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: And I don't think that they did a great job
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: of that in the draft. I thought that you know,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: draft and Caden Wallace and Layden Robinson were you know,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: bigger power guys, heavier guys that tackle, especially with Caiden
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Wallace that some people projected to move inside a guard
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: to guard someday, Like that doesn't fit an outside zone scheme, right,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: like that, that's not an outside zone tackle. You know.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: Jalen Polk a guy that is you know, more of
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: a possession slot Z type of receiver. When we know
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: that they wanted to be you know, twelve personnel, heavy
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: personnel with vertical shots off of play action and things
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: like that. So how did that fit? You know, That's
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: what you got to get back to. That's what the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: good teams do. They identify what they want to run,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: they identify the type of team they want to be schematically,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: and they get player fits and archetypes.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: For that skull belichickism, it's not about collecting talent, it's
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: about building a team.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they got to get back to that. This
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: email is very simple. Subject line from l from Wisconsin.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: Evan is wrong. I am wrong about putting the protections
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: on Drake May and Elle said that this will allow
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: the offensive line in the quarterback to be on the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: same page and so that the you know, the quarterback,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: if he sees it differently than the center, then you
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: have breakdowns and things like that. But like I would
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: just say to that, you know, whoever makes the line calls,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: he has final say so, like he had, everybody's got
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: to see it through his eyes, right, right, So whether
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: it's the center, it's the quarterback, like, it doesn't really matter.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: If the center says, you know, we're pointed this way,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: then you're pointed that way, right, Like that's the way,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: that's the play. So it's on the quarterback to see
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: it through the center's eyes and vice versa. I just
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: look at it and I I Remember one thing that
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: AVP said to us that I really thought was sound
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: reasoning for it. Just think about how much is on
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: the quarterback on any given play, right, the understanding, his
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: play call, the row concept, the protection, the defense, you know,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: the coverage, the blitz threats, the pass protection, and where
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: people threats are gonna come from if you're hot, where
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: you're going with the football? Is it one high? Is
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: it two high? As it man? Is its zone? Like
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: all these different things that you have to think about,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden, we're going to add
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: on to the plate, setting the mic and setting the
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: protection and checking out of plays and all this different
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: types of stuff. For a young quarterback, that's a lot.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a lot for Brady because he was Tom
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: freaking Brady and he could do those types of things.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: For younger quarterbacks, that's tough. It's a lot of responsibility.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think that Josh McDaniels will throw him into
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: the defense. I'm not super worried about it. Small sea concern,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: but that's where I'm coming.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Ideally, they get their events, but we're talking years and
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: years and years down road.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. All right, let's go back to the funks. Uh.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Jay is in Atlanta. What's up? Jay?
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: Hey guys, Thanks, we're taking a call here. Yep, all right.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: I just have a just two questions about the coordinators
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: we have, because we have Tia Williams. What's the likelihood
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: that he targets the one like you know, maybe Jared
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: Ivy or Kyle Knard? And for Josh, what's the likelihood
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: he targets on one like Junkins or maybe someone who
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: like Nick Nash. I'll take it offline.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Jay. So Nick Nash is a good little
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: segue here to some of the I haven't watched Nicknash,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: but he's unfortunately he's going to not unfortunately Trine boll
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: is a great game, but he's going to the Shrine
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Bowl and.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: They have great receivers and tight ends in trying.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's going to the Shrine Bowl. So I'm
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: not going to see him. But we also got a
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: question about what's the kid from Stanford Illumina.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Or before we get him quick because he mentioned a
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: couple of names there. Kyle Cannard, who I know you
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: have watch, Yes, the pass rusher right from South Care.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna do you know, tackle or something else.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: At the top of the draft. Kyle Canard second round.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Sign me up.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: He's a he's a speed rusher, like a like kind
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: of like an New j type.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: I would say, I think he's a lot more violent.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, good guy, he's a good player. Yeah,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: I am interested in the kid from Stanford. He's going
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: to be a mobile.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: He he he got Travis Hunter good last year.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got he's got some good things about him. Uh,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of in that like Rams receiver mold right,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: like Cooper Cup. Oh, that's a great I can't wait
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: to Seetrepo Rastreppo is the guy and mobile that I
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: that I can't wait to see.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this on Nick Nash and look it
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: was in the in the Mountain West. But you want
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: to talk about a volume guy. I'm trying to find
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: his targets last year. It's a lot.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Donovan Jackson is the Ohio State guy, right. Yeah,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: so a lot of people thought that he was gonna
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: play guard in the league, but he's held up pretty
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: well throughout there, running to the championship in the College
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: Football Playoff playing tackle at Ohio State. I'm not rolling
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: it out. I don't think it's an arm line issue
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: with him. I think he's gonna have the arm line
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: checked off. I think it's more of like a foot speed,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: you know, recovery talent, mirroring ability, like that kind of thing.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: It's also just like, once again, here's a guy that
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: you're drafting to teach to play left tackle. Yeah, it's
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: not like he was a tackle who moved inside of
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: guard and moved back at He's a guardist whole career.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna take a tackle in that spot, can
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: you just take a tackle? Can you just take a
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: left tackle who knows how to play left tackle and
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: you don't have to start for you know, tackle one
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: oh one in the spring and we can just get
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: going with you know, whether it's Connery Ursery, even a
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: kid from North Carolina State, Belton Benton, whatever it is.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Why why does the left tackle have to be somebody
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: that has well he's heard or it's not really his
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: position or this, like, why can't they just draft a
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: true left tackle. I don't understand why there's so much
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: opposition to that. We're getting too cute with.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: It, like, well, there's no opposition to it for me,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: but I think that the reason why people are against
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: it is because if you say, oh, we're just gonna
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: turn this guy into a left tackle, then you can
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: draft him later. And no one wants to just have
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: their socks for Christmas. But when we're talking about this
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: solid time, we're.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Donovan Jackson's gonna go, you're not doing that. Dunovan Jackson
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: gonna be top fifty pick because.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: He's still gonna go in the second round. So you
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: can use you can use four on tech, Wanta, vegetables.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: And less un less because he's a first round guard.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: He's a really good guard. What if one of those
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: teams there at the end the first round that needs
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: a guard drafts him as a guard, but even still
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: he's gonna go in the second round. I think we're
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: on the same page here. I thought we were kind
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: of coming at it like if you're gonna take a
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: tackle there, take Connorly, take Ursery, and maybe they're not
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: there there, but like what.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: But this is the bottom line is is that all
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: these names, and I'm not saying that they're not all
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: that they're none of them are good football players. But Connorly, Ursery,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Josh Simmons, you know if he falls, because that's another one. Uh,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: Donovan Jackson. All of these names are getting brought up
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: because people just don't want to eat their vegetables. They
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: don't want socks for Christmas. They don't want the Patriots
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: taking a tackle. What they're first picking the draft.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: That because they want somebody they can draft in fantasy
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: and they can buy the jersey. I get that. Yeah,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: but you're like, I'm okay with Connory.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: I'm okay with yeah.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: Like that's if you're telling me, you know, Abdole Carter
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: the top of the draft. Fine, but if it, don't
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: just throw a random name out there to make it work. Right,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna take a left tackle, they've been half
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: asking this for too long. They you need a real
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: left tackle the day one. You know you're not gonna
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: have to work through transitioning him and teaching him the position. Yes,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be the adjustments in the NFL. I'm not
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: saying those guys are perfect, but Donovan Jackson could be
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: a great developmental tackle. Even he could even be Josh Connery.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I hear you. I We're in agreement on this.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: I understand that drafting and maybe a pass rusher is
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: a little bit more sexy than drafting a tackle. Yeah,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: but I understand in theory that drafting a tackle, drafting
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: a defensive lineman like the trenches. Addressing the trenches is
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: not sexy. It's exciting they have It's not fun, but
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: it's what they have to do. And the one thing
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: that Rabel has hammered home since day once it is
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: then introductory press conference, is we need to protect the
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: quarterback and we need to affect the other team's quarterback.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: That's almost a direct quote from what he said at
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: his introductory press conference. Somebody then asked him, you know,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: what is the one thing that you kind of look
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: at with this roster that you want to fix immediately
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: off the bat? That's the most important offensive line was
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: his number one thing. So he sees it, and I
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: understand that there's different ways to go about this. If
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: this was was it twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, Yeah,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: the Jamar Chase Penny Sewell draft twenty one. If this
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: was that draft where you're truly picking between two elite,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: elite prospects in Penny Stool and Jamar Chase, there's really
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: no wrong answer in a draft like that, right like,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: it worked out for both sides. The Bengals got a
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: stud receiver to pair with Joe Burrow. The Lions got
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: the best tackle in football. It worked out for both sides.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: They probably the best players at their respective positions in
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: the entire NFL. That's very rare. That was a once
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: in a draft, right like. That's not gonna happen more
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: times than not. So if you get into this position
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: in the draft with the Patriots, it's not Penny Stool
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: versus Jamar Chase. When we're talking about Kelvin Banks and
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Ted McMillan. Neither one of those guys are in that
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: category as prospects. So you gotta think about it like that.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: You gotta recognize that it's not one of those situations.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: And I go back to last year with the Giants.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: You take Malik Neighbors, awesome rookie year, stud player, no
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: doubt about it. Everybody sits there and says, one hundred
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: percent of this guy has a stud. Where did it
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: get the Giants?
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Joe All, even playing out of position, had a
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: hell of a year for the Chargers. Yeah, damn good
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: player for the Charger.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: Really good player. All right, let's uh, there's one other
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: email here I wanted to to get to. Oh. Here
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: it is from about Wes Welker. So you know the emailer,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: this is Sam from Saint Catherine's just asked, you know
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: what makes it what makes Wes Welker any different from
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Troy Brown. You know, Wes Welker just got fired by
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins as their wide receivers coach. Is he
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: just another Troy Brown reducts the guy that we just
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: like because he's a former player. Here, I would say
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: that he's pretty different from Troy Brown, mainly because he
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: went outside the circle of trust and he went to
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: San Francisco, he went with Mike McDaniel to Miami. He's
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: been in different systems, he's coached in different places under
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: different offensive minded head coaches. So I think that he's
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: got a more well rounded sort of experience and resume.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: That would make me a little bit more excited. And
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: I think he's had his groups have had some more success. Now,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: maybe he's had more talent. You could definitely make that argument,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: but I just look at his experience with the Shanahan Tree,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: with Shanahan himself and with Mike McDaniel. You know, Trey
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: Brown never did that. He never went outside the nest.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: And I also think, look, I've never been in a
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: meeting room with either of them, but some guy like
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: there's no correlation between how good of a player you
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: are and how good of a coach you are. There's
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: some guys that were not good players that are great coaches,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: and there's some Honestly, sometimes the great players can't coach
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: because there's things that come naturally to them that you know,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: they don't know how to teach because it comes naturally them.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: So everybody's a different level of teacher, which is at
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: the end of the day with this is and I've
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: never been in a room with them, but you look
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: at the way Wes Welker's guys have developed, you look
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: at the lack of development they had here, and I
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: kind of feel like maybe Wes Welker's just personality wise,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: whatever he's doing to get that message across, he might
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: just be a better teacher.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I just lost it. There's another email
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: in here about, oh, some of the the staffers that
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: from last year, any of those guys sticking on, you know,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: DeMarcus Covington Alex Van Peltissa McCartney, Brian Belichick, Mike Pellegrino.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: So I'll say this about Van Pelt. I don't have
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: any I don't know if he's coming there, going quite yet.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: There's some stuff on Twitter. I don't know if that's true.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: But your crossing languages right, like, and I understand that.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: We're all we're impressed by the job that Van Pelt
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: did with Drake May and with Joe Milton.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: He deserves credit for it.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: He deserves credit for it, no doubt. If Drake May
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: goes on in five years and he's Josh Allen, we're
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: gonna say avp did a good job as rookie year.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: He deserves credit for getting it started. He's Mark Jackson
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: to Steve Kerr. Sorry, but if first of all, it's
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: like your crossing languages, right, We're still football, but we're
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: like talking like, you know, French and Spanish here with
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: the offensive languages. So how does that work out? How
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: does his terminology, his fundamentals left foot forward like all
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: that stuff? How does that fit in Josh mcdaniels's system.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: The second thing, you don't hire Josh McDaniels to have
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: somebody else run the quarterback. Josh McDaniels is coaching the quarterback.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: It's his show. He's head coach offense. He's going to
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: run the quarterback. He's going to have the quarterbacks the year.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: He's going to be attached to Drake May's hip. And
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: that's how it should go because he's the play caller, just
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: like AVP was last year. You want the play caller
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: to be the one that's running the quarterback. You don't
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: want it to be somebody else. And as much as
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: I give AVP a ton of credit for what he did,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: I just think that there's no real connection there. Like
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: you're just crossing streams. It's not gonna make sense. I
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: don't think that that's a great way to go. Nothing
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: against either guy, I just don't think that's a great
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: way to go. The one name on this list that
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: I feel that I would really like to keep it,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: I think you agree is Pelgrino. Yep, you know. I
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: think that he is a really good cornerbacks coach, has
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: been a really good cornerbacks coach if they even wanted
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: to promote him to like pass game coordinator is now popular.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: On the other side of the ball, you have a
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: run game coordinator, pass game coordinator, defensive coordinator. Just like
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: on the offensive side or even secondary coach, where you're
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: coaching the whole room, you're coaching safeties and corners, you
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: could do that as well. I would definitely try to
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: keep pel Greener around.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: I would too.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: Is any of those other guys you know McCarty.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: I mean you figure McCartney goes with Van pell Yeah,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: you know Covington, what's his role. He's not gonna take
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: it the motion, so yeah, probably not. It's just just
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: just Pelgrian and Brian Belichick. If he's around two, I
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: think he's done a good job. I'd keep him. Yeah,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: okay if you can.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: Safety room had a tough time last year, but a
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: lot of that was decimated by injuries, injuries, off field stuff,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: like not a ton of it was was necessarily in
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: his control. All right, Jesse is in the car. What's up, Jesse? Jesse?
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: Going once? All right? Call us back, get you back
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: on there Herejzeus is in Denver? What's up? Hezeus?
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: I know it's gonna sound like a dumb question, but
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 6: no dumb questions. Josh McDaniels, like totally hate Drake Main
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 6: and switch his quarterback because he does have a track
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: record of doing that.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: Zero point zero, I would ask, and there's no dumb questions.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: And I don't mean to like say that like it
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: was a dumb question, but zero point zero, Drake May
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: is the quarterback here. He's the future of the franchise here.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels, I'm sure is giddy about working with Drake
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: kay Uh And I would be if I was. If
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: I was him, I mean that that guy's a ball
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: of clay. Like that's a lot of fun. Like I
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: said earlier with the Cheesecake Factory analogy, you can call anything.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: You can call RPO, you can call quarterback run, you
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: can move the pocket, you can drop back pass, you
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: can play action pass, you can gun action like, you
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: can literally do anything. You can do anything at your
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: disposal with Dre May. That's gotta be music to Josh
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: mcdaniels's ears. I think that would be really exciting. We
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: had another email from a long long time listener Alex
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: because this person I'm trying to find it has been
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: listening for so long that he remembers something that I
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: said on a Clintons podcast in twenty twenty two, twenty
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: twenty about the Cam Newton offense. So we're going back aways,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: he said, and that he's been listening for a long
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: time to us. So he said, I remember listening to
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: Evan back in twenty twenty saying that the McDaniels offense
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: with Cam seemed a little disjointed, like he tried to
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: attach his traditional drop back passing game. I'll au Brady
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: to specialized quarterback run package. Was that an issue with
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: McDaniels or because of you know, Cam's limitations, COVID all
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. It's a really good question, Andrew
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: from Lincoln, who I know you're an avid listener. We
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: really do appreciate that because twenty twenty you're going.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: Back way back. In fact, you were listening that closely
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: during that season with everything that was going on.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome, I love it. In terms of the question,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: it's a good question, and there is an element of
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: that that you're basically taking this option package that exists,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: you know, because of the type of quarterback that you have,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: and now you're going to try to marry it and
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: pair it with a more traditional approach of even under
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: center or drop back pass or whatever the case may be.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: I would at least be cautiously optimistic at the time
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: right now that it will work because Drake made is
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: such a better passer than Cam Newton was in twenty twenty,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: and I think he's going to be fully capable and
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: operational running a traditional drop back passing game like Josh
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: McDaniel's runs. So I'm a little bit more optimistic because
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: of that. But if it does, the one thing that
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: you could see concerned about, I suppose, is that they
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: kind of get stuck in between, right do they want
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: to be this Cliff Kingsbury, Jid and Daniels option offense
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: or do they want to be the Brady offense? And
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: you gotta get content in between a little.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: The one other thing I'd say to remember about the
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty season being disjointed, not only did they not
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: have a spring, Cam Newton didn't sign here until July eight, Yeah,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: so they didn't have a ton of time to put
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: stuff together.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: I just that whole thing felt like it was kind
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: of thrown together the last minute because it was essentially
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: what it was. So, you know, we referenced to Cam
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: Newton offense, but the idea is now you have more
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: time that's gonna be put into it. There was gonna
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: have more time to work on it. They didn't have
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: a spring that year. They abbreviated training camp because of COVID.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: We're just kind of using that as a reference point
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: more than like, this is what they should do.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: It's fun. It's an interesting way to look at it
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: in terms of combining sort of two very different philosophies
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: into one. And I think what is so intriguing about
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: it is that because McDaniels is a really good game
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: planner and very versatile and very you know, fluid in
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: terms of his approach, like it doesn't have to always
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: be every single week, we're gonna run a bunch of
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: our right, like, you know, some weeks, maybe they're playing
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: a team that they just feel like they have an
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: advantage there that they can do that sort of thing,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: and then they can also play the other way if
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: they have to. Ultimately, at the end of the day,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: with any offense who drop backs past the best wins
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl every single year. It's just you know,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: we go back. We always argue about the forty nine
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: Ers Super Bowl. A couple of years ago at Jimmy
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: Garoppolo against the Chiefs. What happened. They got into the
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter. One team could drop back pass at a
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: high level. The other team couldn't.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: The team was still drop back passing.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: Yea, And that decided the Super Bowl. It decides the
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl every single year when all the bells and
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: whistles are gone, when the scheme and the play actions
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: and the motions and all that kind of stuff. When
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: all that fades away and it's the fourth quarter, you
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: four minutes to go and you're down three points, can
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: you matriculate down the field?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Can you find that? And that That's where the Patriots
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: need to get to. That's why, as much as I
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: didn't mean to to totally scoff at you with your
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: Joe Milton package, like, that's why that's so important to
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: me because if you just look across the board, you know,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: passer rating, differential drop BACKDPA like all those types of things,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: the teams that are at the top of those lists
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: every single year, the teams that win. It's really that's
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: the league. So I'm excited to see what McDaniels does
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: with Drake may in that respect, because I think that
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: he's really good, those types of things. Before we wrap
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: it up, I do want to talk a little bit
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: about next week going to the Senior Bowl. We do
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: have a little bit of AFC East breaking news that
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: I wanted to touch on to. So just now coming
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: across from Adam Schefter and Ian Rapaport, Aaron Glenn has
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: been named the head coach of the New York Jets.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: So he is going to be the Jets head coach.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: So we now have the AFC East carousel is over.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: The Jets hire Aaron Glenn, the Patriots hire Mike Rabel. Obviously,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: McDaniel and Sean McDermott are still in their respective homes
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: in Miami and Buffalo. So just a quick reaction on
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn in the division.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: He had a hell of a year. It was one
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: year he'd a hell of a year. Is he that
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: different than Robert Sala Philosophically? I still think the Jets
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: kind of stepped in it firing solid. He was not
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: the issue. But we'll see, what do We got three
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: defensive coaches in the division now, and you know, the
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: one offensive coach should probably be on his way out soon.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: It's interesting, nice, it's interesting.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: Should he not be. I mean, I'm sorry. The team
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: can't beat they don't beat good teams, and that's not
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: older like statistically, look at their record against teams over
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: five hundred. I don't see how you stick with him
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: that much longer. It's organizational malpractice.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: So it's interesting because the Jets, usually I mentioned at
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: the top of the show, usually flop, right, you go
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: from a defensive guy to an offensive guy, or a
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: culture guy to a hard ass or whatever the case may.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: I guess they did go non former player to former player, but.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: The Jets literally just hired the same guy out. They
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: run a different, much different scheme. Aaron Glenn in Detroit
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: is a man blitzer, Like he comes after quarterbacks with
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: the blitz. He plays man to man coverage.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: In terms of that, you could not be more pressures
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: on for Sauce Gardner.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: You cannot be more polar opposite in terms of that.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: But what I think is funny about it is is
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: that there's zero point zero percent of a chance that
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: Woody Johnson has any idea what I'm talking about right, Like,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: there's there's no way that Woody Johnson is hiring a
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: coach and being like so what's your scheme, what's your philosophy?
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: He looks on madd but no way. So that guy
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: has no clue. So basically what we're we're getting at
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: here is that once again the Jets are hiring a
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: culture building, defensive coach, which there's what they've done for
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: one hundred years, like Rex, Ryan, Robert Sala like, go
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: right on down the line, heavy.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: It was the culture builder, Eric Mangini, man Genie like.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: Who who was in between Rex and Sala because obviously
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: there was somebody.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: No, oh no, that was different. They tried an offensive
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: coach and they hired Adam Gase, which might be the
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: worst off for all.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: I maybe that's what's squared them off from the offensive guys.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: You know what, Adam, I would not blame them for that,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: for how bad of a coach he was. Do you
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: think there's a chance offensive coaches didn't want to go
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: there because they didn't want to work with Rogers.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: It's possible. I just like I said, you usually see
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: teams flip flop philosophy, and I'm surprised. I'm surprised that
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: the Jets looked at their situation and said, you know what,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: we need a defensive coordinator.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: Also, what is now five coaches in the NFL or
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: coaching teams they played for Rabel, Glenn, Campbell, Ryan's and
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: there's one more. Who am I missing.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: There is?
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: I think, oh Harbaugh?
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: Harbor so quickly on the Jets they went from.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: Start at Belichick, start at Belichick and go from there.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: Let's do the last twenty five years.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: So they went from parcels up defensive guy to Belichick
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: for like a week, Belichick for a week. Is this
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: al grow? Yeah? So Algro coach one season Herm Edwards,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: who I believe is offensive guy, right, I wanted to say,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: uh no, Herm Edwards coach defensive backs and then was
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: a defensive Yeah.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: Guys like when I started watching football.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Herm Edwards was a defensive guy. Eric Man
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: genius defensive guy. Of course Notorious was the defensive guy
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: by the way too, Rex Ryan defensive Todd Bowles defensive
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: forgot they had Todd Bowles, two years of Adam Gase,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: Robert Sala and now Aaron Glenn. So really from for
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: our like football watching lifetime, which I I start with
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: like the late nineties, I think both in the same
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: category with Bill Parcells with the Jets our football lifetime.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: The Jets have had a defensive minded head coach for
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: all but two seasons.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: And you could argue those two seasons that offensive coach
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: didn't really no offense either.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: So to say that they have a type as an understatement,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: they certainly have a type. And that's interesting.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: I Aaron Peek Carroll coached the Jets.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, he did coach the Jets for a year. Yeah.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: They AARONN.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Holt.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not like crazy about Aaron Glenn. I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: I understand that he has some some good traits as
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: like a culture builder, intense guy, like gets good players
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: to play for him. All like that game plan against
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: the Commanders when anybody Paul, let's blitz him again, let's
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: play Manton mannon. We'll blitz Jaden Daniels another time. Like,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: come on, like, you gotta do something different. Even Brady
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: of all people called it out at halftime, mister like,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: I don't say anything to ruffle anybody's feathers. Yeah said
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: at halftime, maybe mix in some zone. Aaron Glenn never did.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: Look, I think there's some upside with Aaron Glenn just
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: in general as a coach that's a terrible fit for
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: him and for the team. It's a bad fit and
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: it's unfortunate for him because you only get so many chances,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: especially for your defensive coach.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see what it does with Aaron Rodgers and
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: that whole situation. Like, if Aaron Rodgers is gonna be back,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: if the Jets are now quarterback team, who he hires
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: his offensive coordinator? I'm sure he has something to be right. Well,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: I think Instan's are going to replace Ben Johnson, so
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: I think that he's already earmarked by Dan Campbell as
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: their replacement. So maybe it's like a Mark Brunell or
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: someone else from that that tree. We'll see, But it's
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: it's an interesting hire. It's so Jets, like, is this
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: any different than Todd Bowles or Roberts.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: It's it's very Jets. Well he played, It's the one
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: difference is he played? Yeah, that's that's what you're banking on.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: I guess, all right, Jets real quick on that. Would
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: you think of Liam Cohen turning down the Jags? Good
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: for him?
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: I thought it was good for him. I don't think
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: it's a horrible situation necessarily because you do have Trevor
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: and you do have some talent on that roster, but
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: I just don't think he's ready. And I think that
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: there should, This should be more normal and more accepted
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: that Ben Johnson did it now it went the other
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: way for Bobby Slowick. He did and it blew up
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: in his face. But you look at Liam Cohen. He's
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: bounced around from college to pro's college, to pro's college
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: to pros. He needs some experience at the NFL. He
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: needs to not just coordinating, but yeah, leading a room,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: leading a building, understanding head coach responsibilities. Good for him,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: It will come for him eventually, just because he's such
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: a great offensive mind, like he'll figure it out eventually.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. The league's gotten so far ahead in
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: the offense, especially the offensid of the hiring process. You'll
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: see quarterbacks coaches interviewing for head coaching jobs and stuff
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: like that. It needs to slow down for the betterman
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: of the league, for the betterment of these coaches. The
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: reason the league is a coaching problem right now, and
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: that's part of it. I didn't think it would be
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: the coaches taking the lead and slowing it down. I
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: thought it would be the lead. But like you said,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowick, now Liam Cohen, good for them
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: for waiting for the right opportunity.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: I could be totally wrong about Ben Johnson, you know,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: he's my guy. I could be totally wrong. He could
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: stink in Chicago, Okay, but I give him a lot
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: of credit for holding his wire waiting, and my guess,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: my gut says that it's going to pay huge dividends
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: for him. I think he's going to be a much
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: much better HEADCA It can't hurt than it would have
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: been two years ago because he waited.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it can't hurt.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always good. Jeff is in Maine. What's up, Jeff?
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: Hey, what's going on?
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: Guys? Hey?
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: Hey, so, uh, it's been busy the last few weeks,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: so I'm not able to call in, but I wanted
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: to give you an update on the Manhattan Project.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we won. Boy, let's go all right, let's go.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: To win.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: That's literally all.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: I have, you know, fantasy the only Fantasy football update.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Can it be the Manhattan Project after Week eighteen? Like
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: it's out of the bag.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: Now, right, I Mean it's like nickname, I know, but
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, everybody knows, all right.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: I wanted to wrap it with a little senior bolltalk.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to Mobile next week for the Senior Bowl.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: I'm excited. Obviously the prospects will be there. I'm also interested,
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: and I'll definitely report back on the show next week.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: Who from the Patriots is gonna be there. I think
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: the head coach is gonna be there. We'll see if
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: the coordinators are with him. It'd be interesting.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: You know, McDaniels used to go.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: I think he did towards the end when the Bill
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: was supposed to be opening his world to him, remember
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: that whole period of time. I think he did towards
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: the end. As a defensive minded guy in Vrabel, you
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: would think he would want that offensive coordinator with him
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: to kind of give some input. You know, last year
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: AVP and Ben McAdoo and those guys all went to
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: Pro Day's and stuff like that to kind of be
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: that offensive, you know, focus on that side when they
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: were watching the quarterbacks. So I wouldn't be surprised if
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: McDaniel's there. I'm sure Ryan Cowden will be there, Stretch
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: will definitely be there. All the guys will be there.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: So that'd be cool from that perspective, but also just
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: from a prospect perspective, really good again by Jim Nagy,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: you know, does a great job putting together the Senior
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: Bowl roster. And what's great about it is is that
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: we all know the guys at the top of the draft,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: right we all know Abdul Carter, Kelvin Banks, Will Campbell,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: Ted McMillan, Mason Graham, we all know those names, Travis Hunter.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: The Senior Bowl roster this year is the tackles and
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: the receivers are like all that second and third tier
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: right now, are going to be going from let's say
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: pick twenty five to pick fifty five, right that are
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: right in that sweet spot for the Patriots at thirty eight.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: So we'll really be able to get into and you know,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: kind of splice together where I feel and you feel,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: you know, guys like Restrepo and the kid from Stanford,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: the receiver from Stanford. All the tackles are going to
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: be there that are going to be in that range
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: of the draft as well. So I'm really looking forward
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: to being able to kind of start to stack that
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: part of the board because I've already done some homework
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: on the top of the draft. Started doing that in
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: like November. But I don't have as much knowledge about
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: those Day two guys, like the prime Day two guys
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: last year. You know, Lad McConkey was there and he
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: was a stud at Mobile and he's a stud for
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: the Chargers, Right, So you start to find some of
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: those guys. Is I'm sure you're writing up some sort
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: of a preview at some point on your end for
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl for Shrine all that. Is there anybody
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: that thing you want to plug or anybody that you're
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: looking at.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll have beginning of next week on honey, if
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: I was sports sub dot comments, what is it practice
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: or Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? Right, Yes, okay, so I'll have
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: something up on Monday or Tuesday morning. But yeah, wide
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: receivers and tackles. I think that's the big focus. I
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: don't think a ton of the top edge rushers or
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: that even that second tier edg rushers are going.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I don't know how many of those guys.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: And you always get there and like a few guys
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: like decide not to participate and only do like you know,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: interviews and stuff like that with teams but I just
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: know that there's a lot of people early date two
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: prospects that are going to be there in Mobile next week.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: So we'll do a show next week. We've got to
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: hammer down a time, probably sometime in the later afternoon,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: just because we'll have morning practices and things like that
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: on Wednesday, but it'll probably be closer to a later
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: afternoon start than our normal noon start, and you'll be
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: here to host it here from the mother Ship, and
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: we'll get into a Senior Bowl and Mobile. It'll be
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: fun because you know, we've talked a lot about coaches,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about hiring, you know, coordinators and
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. So now it kind of
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: feels like that's behind us and we'll really start to
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: get into the off season and the personnel side of
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: things and the players. So we'll be back next week
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: for that show. We'll be exciting, and then the following
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: week we'll I'm sure talk a lot more about it
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: when we're both together again. But until the end, signing
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: off for Alex Bart, I'm Evan Lazarre. Thanks for watching,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: thanks for listening, and we'll see you guys next week.
• 1:58:56
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