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#1705 Hoarders, Therapy & Dodgy Research - Kate Save · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I get. I grew withs Craig a Andey Harper, Kate,
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Speaker 1: Mary and Veronica, Wilma Malaria Save what, I don't know?
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Speaker 1: What you do? You have a second name, Kate Save.
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Speaker 2: I do, and like most a lot of women ites
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Speaker 2: their grandma's first name. So it's Kate Patricia, Patricia, Kate Patricia.
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Speaker 1: How are you, Kate Patricia? I'm well, where do we
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Speaker 1: find you at? Like? Right now? Tell my listeners where
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Speaker 1: you are now? Because your life is very interesting.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've just traveled from Melbourne Victory, where I was
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Speaker 2: talking to the female players and some of the Matilda's
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Speaker 2: and I've headed into the studio world WTFN, where they
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Speaker 2: make Bondavette and lots of the shows that you'd watch
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Speaker 2: over all of the big networks. I'm looking around the
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Speaker 2: office that I've borrowed. I can see the Hunters, Ares,
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Speaker 2: the Doctor, Supercars, the living Room, Space Invaders, Thailand, Oddball.
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Speaker 2: There you go. They're just the posters in the room.
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Speaker 1: That's also where you film your show, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: I filmed twenty eight days that changed my life here
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Speaker 2: and well it was mostly on location, but yes, with
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Speaker 2: the team here and yeah, we were filming up in Sydney,
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Speaker 2: working with the guys that do Space Invaders, which is
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Speaker 2: the Cluttering show. Have you ever seen that? It would
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Speaker 2: do your head.
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Speaker 1: In the Decluttering show? The one with that what is that?
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Speaker 3: I mean?
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Speaker 1: There is something? I mean? Is there? You know this
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Speaker 1: has got nothing to do with food.
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Speaker 2: It's written about it. Oh it is. Yes, there's a
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Speaker 2: link between food and hoarders.
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Speaker 1: Really all right, let's so before we talk about the
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Speaker 1: link between food and hoarders and oh my god, I've
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Speaker 1: never thought that, and I think about a lot of shit.
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Speaker 1: I've never thought about that correlation. But and I guess
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Speaker 1: in hoarding there must be some mental health issues going on.
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Speaker 1: Of course, just give a little bit of a snapshot
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Speaker 1: of you, like a just a quick bio if you would. Yes.
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Speaker 2: So, I'm a dietitian, excise physiologist and diabetes educator. I
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Speaker 2: am the founder of PPM, a dietitian consultancy that we've
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Speaker 2: run for twenty years manage medical centers and private hospitals
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Speaker 2: and their dietitian services. And ten years after that I
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Speaker 2: started beefit Food, a doctor and dietitian design scientifically formulated,
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Speaker 2: ready made meals company.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, like, I don't know, Yeah, you are busy.
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Speaker 1: Do you see yourself as more Maybe it's an equal mix.
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Speaker 1: But like, because you're an educator, you're also a scientist,
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Speaker 1: because you're an excise physiologist and a dietitian two different
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Speaker 1: fields but related of course. And you're an entrepreneur, you're
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Speaker 1: a businesswoman. What do you feel the most Like do
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Speaker 1: you feel like a scientist or an educator or an
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Speaker 1: EP or a dietitian or do you feel like an
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Speaker 1: entrepreneur primarily? Like what's your kind of Because I did
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Speaker 1: business for a long time and I can do the
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Speaker 1: entrepreneurial stuff, but my natural habitat is more teaching and coaching.
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Speaker 1: I can do it, and I had four gyms and
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Speaker 1: I employed five hundred trainers, but it took me a
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Speaker 1: long time to realize I can do this, but I'm
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Speaker 1: not passionate. Like what do you feel most connected to? Oh?
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Speaker 2: Being around people. So I think today I'm in my
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Speaker 2: element when I was presenting at Melbourne Victory to the
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Speaker 2: girls soccer team and we're looking at you know, national
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Speaker 2: soccer players, some of them in the league there that
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Speaker 2: have played, you know, for the biggest competitions in the
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Speaker 2: world with the matildas and educating them about their gut
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Speaker 2: health and the impact that it has on their sports
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Speaker 2: performance and how important you know, literally what they eat,
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Speaker 2: their sleep, how they're recovering all those sorts of things.
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Speaker 2: That's when I'm in my element, and I think the
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Speaker 2: business and entrepreneurial side of that is really how you
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Speaker 2: work out how you get to do more of what
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Speaker 2: you love. And I love food, so always working on
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Speaker 2: recipes and new food ideas and phone calls in the
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Speaker 2: car with just ideas. So I think a bit of balance,
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Speaker 2: but I definitely change hour by hour.
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Speaker 1: And you're also a TV presenter because I was on
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Speaker 1: your show, which was which is the Inspired CEO? That's
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Speaker 1: what it's called, isn't that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? The Inspired CEO?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? And so you've got plenty going on. All right,
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Speaker 1: tell us about the relationship before I forget between the
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Speaker 1: hoarders and food and maybe even mental health. What's tell
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Speaker 1: us about that?
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Speaker 2: There's actually been books read about it, sorry, written about it.
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Speaker 2: I own one of them. What is fascinating is that
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Speaker 2: people who called things more often than not, there's some
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Speaker 2: the lying psychological issue, like there is we binge eating
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Speaker 2: disorders or the other eating disorders. So I think there's
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Speaker 2: this correlation between a whole hoarding stuff. And there are
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Speaker 2: certainly people that hold in their fridge too, and I've
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Speaker 2: seen one of those, and you know, no fault of
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Speaker 2: anyone's own, it's how whatever happened to them when they
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Speaker 2: were growing up or their habits. And it's super interesting
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Speaker 2: the show Space Invaders to get inside someone's home and
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Speaker 2: you watch them literally put every single belonging that they
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Speaker 2: have into boxes, put it on a truck, take it
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Speaker 2: to these giant warehouses and I mean giant, and they
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Speaker 2: unpack every single little item and they tell them you
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Speaker 2: are only going to keep twenty to thirty percent of this,
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Speaker 2: seventy to eighty percent needs to go. And then the
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Speaker 2: show is literally about why are people keeping these things?
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Speaker 2: Why can't they part with them? And it can be
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Speaker 2: the smallest thing that someone on the show wants to
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Speaker 2: get rid of, but it becomes, you know, like the
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Speaker 2: the biggest deal imaginable. It brings them to tears. And
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Speaker 2: I think that's where the show is spectacularly good at
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Speaker 2: working out what is really going on with getting rid
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Speaker 2: of that teaposh whatever it might be, Like, what is
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Speaker 2: so important about that. It's not that the grandmother or
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Speaker 2: the mother gave it to them, it's whatever the story
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Speaker 2: was that they remembered and why that was so critical.
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Speaker 2: And the same thing with food. So I would go
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Speaker 2: into these homes to film and you would open up
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Speaker 2: the pantries or the fridge. And this is not every
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Speaker 2: single order, obviously, but I certainly experienced this firsthand, and
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Speaker 2: it would be jam packed, and I mean like you
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Speaker 2: could not squeeze a green bean in there, like you
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Speaker 2: know what I mean, because every hole's been stuffed, absolutely stuffed,
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Speaker 2: and the age and the rot and how old some
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Speaker 2: of that stuff is is you know, it would be
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Speaker 2: very unappealing for most people. But people happily live normal
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Speaker 2: lives and have normal jobs, yet they live in this
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Speaker 2: disarray with their stuff. And I think after seeing it
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Speaker 2: firsthand and meeting these people that everyone has a story
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Speaker 2: and they just deal with it in different ways.
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Speaker 1: What do you think the under And I'm sure there's
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Speaker 1: not one thing. And by the way, everyone nether are
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Speaker 1: as psychologists. We're not prescribing anything or we're not diagnosing anything.
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Speaker 1: It's just two people having a chat. But what do
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Speaker 1: you think? And again, Kateter dietician and ex scise physiologist,
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Speaker 1: not a psychologist, but you know, you work with a
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Speaker 1: lot of people. What do you think the underlying causes are?
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Speaker 1: Like what you know is somebody's story when they've got rotting, decaying,
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Speaker 1: out of date food in the fridge that they don't
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Speaker 1: want to get rid of.
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Speaker 2: I can definitely see a pattern with stress in people's lives,
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Speaker 2: so the stress of their job, but the job may
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Speaker 2: not really be what's getting them down. It might be
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Speaker 2: that they didn't think life would work out the way
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Speaker 2: it's worked out. You know, it's a much bigger issue
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Speaker 2: that they thought perhaps maybe they'd be married now, or
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Speaker 2: maybe they wouldn't be on their second partner, or maybe
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Speaker 2: they'd have kids or you know, it's so complex and
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Speaker 2: it's hiding things, I guess, but not wanting to lose things.
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Speaker 2: And you certainly see with clothing that people feel like
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Speaker 2: they're twenty still. I'm sure you do, Craig.
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Speaker 1: I'm a bad example because my wardrobe is extremely limited.
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Speaker 1: But I know what you're saying.
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Speaker 2: So people don't want to get rid of things that
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Speaker 2: give them memories of being out when they were twenty right,
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Speaker 2: so they're forty five they're fifty now, but they're hanging
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Speaker 2: onto the clothing that is joy. I remember I wore
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Speaker 2: that blue dress and we went here. I used to
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Speaker 2: wear that all the time. I can't get rid of that,
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Speaker 2: and it's the time's gone so fast that there's no
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Speaker 2: way they're probably ever wearing that again. However, letting go
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Speaker 2: of something that they enjoyed in their life or a
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Speaker 2: past and then seeing where they are in the present
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Speaker 2: is such a cliche that they can't let it go.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: A lot of the portraits, which is really all family pictures,
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Speaker 2: but they have a second family and addressing that on
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Speaker 2: National TVs pretty full on. I watched an episode where
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Speaker 2: it certainly ended in tears for everyone because you've been
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Speaker 2: confronted about why have you got your husband or your
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Speaker 2: ex husband's exit, you know, these certain items when you're
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Speaker 2: married to me and we have our own family and
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Speaker 2: don't you love me or you know, all those conversations
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Speaker 2: come out and it's so much deeper than what you think.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that is really interesting, and I guess there is.
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Speaker 1: You know with some I would get it with some things,
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Speaker 1: like you said, my mom, you know, my mum gave
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Speaker 1: me this, and now my Mum's not here anymore, so
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Speaker 1: I get that. But when there's like mountains of stuff,
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Speaker 1: I guess on some level people must must have some
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Speaker 1: emotional and psychological and or psychological attachment to that thing.
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Speaker 1: And if they give that those genes away that they
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Speaker 1: haven't mourned since nineteen eighty eight, they feel, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: that must represent a hole in their heart or a
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Speaker 1: hole in their life in some way. And that is because,
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Speaker 1: I mean, the problem is not the It's like the
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Speaker 1: hoarding is the end result. It's like, yes, it's like
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Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about obesity and being overweight
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Speaker 1: or being unhealth feel being unfit, it's like, well, having
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Speaker 1: that body that doesn't work optimally, that body that's, for
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Speaker 1: one of a better term, out of shape or not
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Speaker 1: optimally functional. That's really the byproduct of the choices that
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Speaker 1: you're making, Craig and your lifestyle. Craig and the boot
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Speaker 1: and all the things you're putting in your body, they're
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Speaker 1: the problems. The consequence, Craig is now you're one hundred
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Speaker 1: and thirty kilos and your blood pressures through the roof
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Speaker 1: and you're pre diabetic, if not diabetic, and it fucking
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Speaker 1: hurts to get in and out of the car, and
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Speaker 1: you know, so it's almost like that's the consequence, but
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Speaker 1: the underlying problem is something like I'm trying to medicate
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Speaker 1: myself with food. I'm trying to numb out with food.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to distract myself with food. And these are
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Speaker 1: psychological and emotional drivers that end up in a physical outcome.
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Speaker 1: And I guess there must be psychological and emotional drivers
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Speaker 1: which make people hold on to things that they actually
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Speaker 1: don't need.
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Speaker 2: You know what, I'm going to read this whole book
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Speaker 2: because I bought the book because I was interested in
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Speaker 2: I haven't ye, I've just sort of opened it up
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Speaker 2: to take on my next holiday. Once I've read it,
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Speaker 2: i'll give it to you and we can break this
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Speaker 2: down for the listeners. Because I do not feel qualified
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Speaker 2: until I've read the book. I want to know.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's what. That's why I said we're having a chat.
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Speaker 1: I don't think either of us are qualified to unpack
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Speaker 1: that too much, but it's fucking interesting conversation. Nonetheless, I
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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you because something you are qualified to
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Speaker 1: talk about, and me to a lesser extent. But you know,
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Speaker 1: it seems like every ten minutes, there's a new theory,
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Speaker 1: there's a new ideology, there's a new program, there's a
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Speaker 1: new prescription around food, there's new research that contradicts last
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Speaker 1: week's research.
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Speaker 2: And it's like a girl that's in your ence.
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Speaker 3: Really right, And so there's I mean, and there are
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Speaker 3: a myriad of ideologies and philosophies and programs and books
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Speaker 3: and even research the like I said, contradicts last week's research.
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Speaker 1: What do we know for sure? And what don't we know,
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Speaker 1: Like what's a bit like question mark asterisk in the
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Speaker 1: food realm or in the nutrition realm, And what do
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Speaker 1: we absolutely know that's not debatable? And I mean, I
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Speaker 1: know this is a big question. There's a million things,
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Speaker 1: but it's like, I'll shut up after this. But it's
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Speaker 1: like one of my friends said to me the other day,
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Speaker 1: not a friend, actually somebody that I know. So it's
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Speaker 1: an acquaintance that they're eating one time a day, which again,
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Speaker 1: this is just what they're doing everyone, not a recommendation,
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Speaker 1: and it works and they feel great through the day
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Speaker 1: cognitively and all of these things. I'm like, that's interesting.
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Speaker 1: And then I was thinking about it later and I thought, well,
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Speaker 1: probably one of the reasons that it's working for them.
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Speaker 1: If it is, is just that the total calorie intake
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Speaker 1: just happens to be down because they're only you're hitting
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Speaker 1: once a day. So maybe it's not the once a
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Speaker 1: day model as much as it is just that, well
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Speaker 1: over all, your calories are down compared to what they
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Speaker 1: used to be.
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Speaker 2: I can break that one down for you. It's less decisions.
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Speaker 2: So apparently we think about food over three hundred times
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Speaker 2: a day. Oh should I snack on this? Am I
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Speaker 2: still hungry? Am I going to have more? When am
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Speaker 2: I going to eat? What am I going to buy
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Speaker 2: for dinner? Did I just eat some cookie in the
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Speaker 2: kitchen or do I leave it on the bench? So
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Speaker 2: we think about food all the time. So if you're
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Speaker 2: restricted to eating once a day, then perhaps you're like
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Speaker 2: Steve Jobs with his you know, his same outfit every day.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps you not wasting energy on things. However, can I
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Speaker 2: just say all this intermittent fasting research, and all the
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Speaker 2: fasting research predominantly has it been done on men, and
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Speaker 2: when you start to consider women and their cycles and
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Speaker 2: what happens. I'm only really just delving into this now
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Speaker 2: because I think so much has come up in the
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Speaker 2: media about fast like a girl with mindy pelts and
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Speaker 2: teaching people to do water fast and when to do it,
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Speaker 2: time up with their cycles. I did not recognize it.
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Speaker 2: In the second half of the menstrual cycles. You've got
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Speaker 2: first half where you've got the bleed and then you yeah,
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Speaker 2: you've got ovulation. Then the second half, the last fourteen days,
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Speaker 2: you actually increase your calorie output by zero point one
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Speaker 2: six calories per kilo body mass per hour, So it's
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Speaker 2: the equivalent of about two to three hundred calories extra
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Speaker 2: per day you burn every fourteen days as a female.
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Speaker 1: Wow, as a menstruating female. Does that stop at menopause?
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Speaker 1: I guess it does.
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Speaker 2: Yes, So it all changes again, I guess because it's
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Speaker 2: a body preparing the line at the uterus to shit.
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Speaker 2: And then so once you start delving into the cycle
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Speaker 2: and what physically happens in the female body and the
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Speaker 2: energy that goes towards that, and it doesn't stop for
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Speaker 2: thirty years. It depends on the person. But I mean,
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Speaker 2: it goes worth all different lengths. But that has not
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Speaker 2: been considered in a lot of the science. It's out there,
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Speaker 2: and the reason behind that is because if we're studying
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Speaker 2: something like intermittent and fasting, you study it on a man, well,
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Speaker 2: they're assuming men are all the same, whereas with women
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Speaker 2: they need to look at the times in the cycle
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Speaker 2: and everything sort of costs three times the amount to
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Speaker 2: do the study as just doing it on men. So
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Speaker 2: that's why you don't find a lot of the research
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Speaker 2: on women that.
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Speaker 1: Is so interesting that you said that it is more
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Speaker 1: expensive to do that research on women, so they do it.
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Speaker 1: Do you know what is this is? I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't want to shoot myself in the foot or throw
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Speaker 1: science under the bus, but this is so interesting, isn't
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Speaker 1: it when you think about just that as one of
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Speaker 1: literally thousands and tens of thousands of like science is
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Speaker 1: meant to be pure, like it's like we're just meant
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Speaker 1: to and obviously it isn't. Some science is amazing, But
16:55
Speaker 1: as I always say, the problem with sciences that humans
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Speaker 1: created it, Humans facilitated humans do the research. Some research
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Speaker 1: gets funded by organizations with agendas, of course, and then
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Speaker 1: the humans who do the research interpret it and want
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Speaker 1: to often produce a certain outcome. So there is nothing
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Speaker 1: close to objectivity, right, both absolutely all about the science. Well,
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Speaker 1: then clearly you've never been to a university, because it's
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Speaker 1: about it's about a research lab. It's about lots of things,
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Speaker 1: including the science. That's not all.
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Speaker 2: I've read the footnotes of who paid for it.
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Speaker 1: As soon as you.
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Speaker 2: Delve into that, then you look at it through a
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Speaker 2: completely different lens and you read it all over again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you think, oh, wow, like that what
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Speaker 1: you just said. Firstly, I didn't know that that is
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Speaker 1: a revenue. So did you say the first fourteen days
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Speaker 1: or the second four and days?
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Speaker 2: Second fourteen days? So in the first fourteen days, because
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Speaker 2: you've got the bleeding phase, and then you then the
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Speaker 2: fourteenth day or thereabout somewhere in that window, you've got
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Speaker 2: the ovulation. But then after the ovulation, the body is
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Speaker 2: setting up the lining of the uterus to potentially house
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Speaker 2: the embryo fetus on the terminology wrong. But so you're
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Speaker 2: actually got a hyper metabolic state, so you're burning more calories.
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Speaker 2: And they say it's actually not good to fast then,
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Speaker 2: or maybe even intimate and fasting, because females also are
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Speaker 2: more able to burn fat than meant. So we're better
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Speaker 2: fat burners. Apparently we're better at storing fat, we're better
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Speaker 2: at burning fat, and that's why we tend to probably
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Speaker 2: be better at endurance. And all of our hormones at
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Speaker 2: cascade throughout this period are going up and down, and
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Speaker 2: they play with our mood and everything else, but they
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Speaker 2: also play with our metabolic rate and the way that
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Speaker 2: we store and process food. And I think ultimately understanding
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Speaker 2: that helps you, as a female go no wonder. I
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Speaker 2: find it easy to diet or hard to die it,
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Speaker 2: or easy to stick something or hard because these massive
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Speaker 2: cascading levels of estrogen, progesterone, the lutinizing hormone, all these
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Speaker 2: different hormones going throughout our body. And if we're not
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Speaker 2: in touch with that, and I'm not someone who really knows,
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Speaker 2: you know, day one to twenty eight of my cycle,
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Speaker 2: I never really have paid attention. But I've had two children,
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Speaker 2: and that's just not planned, just lucky, or people might
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Speaker 2: say I'm lucky, but lucky for me and every well,
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Speaker 2: a lot of the friends that I know just do
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Speaker 2: pay attention to that. And I think what we're starting,
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Speaker 2: what I'm starting to appreciate having two young daughters, is it.
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Speaker 2: I think it's really important to actually understand it, because
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Speaker 2: no wonder, mood changes and I'm not someone who's ever
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Speaker 2: really thought they had PMS or had changes and bits
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Speaker 2: and pieces like other women might. However, I think once
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Speaker 2: you start to be more in touch with that, and
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Speaker 2: if you're thinking about teaching your own daughters and my
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Speaker 2: daughters at ten and twelve about these I really need
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Speaker 2: to know as much as I can because I want
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Speaker 2: to give them the right information. And it's not taught
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Speaker 2: in schools. It's definitely not passed down generations. I can
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Speaker 2: tell you right now, my mum did not pass down
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Speaker 2: any of this information. I don't think she had it either.
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Speaker 2: She most women don't even talk about menopause. So there
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Speaker 2: is this whole side of science that perhaps has just
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Speaker 2: never been done on women.
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Speaker 1: That is I mean, that is so interesting, That is
20:32
Speaker 1: so relevant for so many people. This is a good conversation.
20:37
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I like, obviously from an exercise prescription and
20:43
Speaker 1: programming point of view, there are you know, there are
20:46
Speaker 1: variables between men and women, and of course I guess
20:51
Speaker 1: it makes sense with nutrition as well, but that there's
20:55
Speaker 1: that much of a not a difference, but there's that
21:01
Speaker 1: much that we need to pay attention to to be
21:04
Speaker 1: able to understand women's nutritional needs.
21:07
Speaker 2: And exercise prescription. There are experts in this that I
21:11
Speaker 2: didn't know until I delved him that you apparently the
21:14
Speaker 2: women are not supposed to do high intensity or as
21:17
Speaker 2: high intensity exercise during certain parts of the cycle because
21:21
Speaker 2: obviously you've got this increased metabolism anyway, but you've apparently
21:26
Speaker 2: you're best after the bleed, so after the first you know,
21:30
Speaker 2: five to seven days, depending on the person, because you've
21:33
Speaker 2: got this rise in estrogen. So you've got this lift
21:35
Speaker 2: in your mood, this lift in your energy, and that
21:38
Speaker 2: is when you can train really, really hard. And even
21:41
Speaker 2: with strength training you get more gains. And I think
21:44
Speaker 2: what we don't even hear a lot about is with
21:47
Speaker 2: strength training in males and females, that both males and
21:50
Speaker 2: females have estrogen testosterone, and how do you get those
21:56
Speaker 2: to work for you? When with you and for me,
22:00
Speaker 2: need's assumed that everything's pretty steady, but for women, we
22:03
Speaker 2: know it literally hits the roof and then it hits
22:06
Speaker 2: the floor, and it's not fact did in.
22:09
Speaker 1: H Yeah, it's really I mean to be able to
22:14
Speaker 1: And this is one of the things about you know,
22:16
Speaker 1: broadly speaking, we talk about exercise programming nutrition. And it's
22:20
Speaker 1: like when somebody says to me, Craig, what's the best
22:24
Speaker 1: way to do X y Z, And I say, well,
22:27
Speaker 1: for who, Because the answer to that question will be
22:32
Speaker 1: twenty different answers for twenty different people. Because everybody not
22:35
Speaker 1: only obviously men and women different, but women and women
22:38
Speaker 1: are different. Men and men are different, you know, twenty
22:41
Speaker 1: year olds and forty year olds are different. Everybody's genetically
22:45
Speaker 1: predisposed to respond or interact in a different way with
22:51
Speaker 1: different stimuli. And it's trying to figure out, you know,
22:54
Speaker 1: how your body, like I don't know about you, but
22:57
Speaker 1: speaking about you know, menstrual cycles and something, menstrual cycles
23:04
Speaker 1: and such like, some women fly through that with like
23:07
Speaker 1: very little disturbance or issue or problem, and then for
23:12
Speaker 1: some women it's a fucking nightmare every four weeks, you know.
23:16
Speaker 1: And it's like wow, and there's no I mean, obviously
23:20
Speaker 1: there's a reason, but there's no obvious apparent reason why
23:24
Speaker 1: that should be so different.
23:27
Speaker 2: I find that fascinating too, because mine has never bothered me.
23:31
Speaker 2: I haven't paid enough attention to it. Now that I've
23:33
Speaker 2: got girls that are potentially going to go through this,
23:36
Speaker 2: And I heard a very close person to me said
23:41
Speaker 2: to me the other day, Oh, my doctor thinks maybe
23:43
Speaker 2: I should get a hysterectomy. And I'm like, oh my god,
23:45
Speaker 2: do not do that unresearched. You do not appreciate the
23:49
Speaker 2: role that those hormones are playing in your body. If
23:53
Speaker 2: you do not need one, do not do that unresearched.
23:57
Speaker 2: It could be the worst thing you would ever ever do.
24:00
Speaker 2: And I know that. People My auntie was forced to
24:02
Speaker 2: have one in her twenties, early twenties, I think it was,
24:06
Speaker 2: and I know that that played havoc for her with
24:10
Speaker 2: the way that she felt about everything. And of course
24:13
Speaker 2: it will because you're taking out, you know, that hormonal balance.
24:18
Speaker 2: It is supposed to be there for maybe up until
24:20
Speaker 2: we're in our forties or fifties. So to lose that
24:24
Speaker 2: in your twenties definitely disturbs your emotions and a lot
24:29
Speaker 2: lot more.
24:31
Speaker 1: You know, And this is a real case for you know,
24:34
Speaker 1: everything is like, you know, everything is an integration. You know.
24:39
Speaker 1: It's like the mind, the body, the emotions, the cardiovascular system,
24:43
Speaker 1: the endocrime system, the muscular system, you know, the reproductive system.
24:48
Speaker 1: Like in research and science, it all operates in disparate
24:53
Speaker 1: this over here and then we've got that over there,
24:55
Speaker 1: then we've got that. But in reality, you know, as
25:00
Speaker 1: as a as a functional human, everything affects everything all
25:05
Speaker 1: the time, you know. And it's like, and I've said
25:08
Speaker 1: this too many times, but you have a thought which
25:11
Speaker 1: is a non physical thing, a thought, and then that
25:13
Speaker 1: might all of that thought could create a physiological response
25:16
Speaker 1: like elevated heart rate or breathing or blood pressure or
25:20
Speaker 1: cortisol or don't mean whatever, the thought is right, and like,
25:25
Speaker 1: nothing operates in isolation, and that's why sometimes you think,
25:29
Speaker 1: I wish my endochronologists could talk to my dietitian could
25:34
Speaker 1: talk to my ep exos physiologists could talk to my
25:38
Speaker 1: you could talk. I wish I had a whole fucking
25:40
Speaker 1: team rather than people going, well, I'm an expert in that,
25:44
Speaker 1: so I'm going to tell you to get your thyroid out.
25:46
Speaker 1: But my nature paths going, no, don't fucking do that.
25:50
Speaker 1: Don't do that.
25:51
Speaker 2: Is the problem with our whole healthcare system. My very
25:54
Speaker 2: best girlfriend, who works in intensive care, will undeniably tell
25:58
Speaker 2: you that the whole healthcare system is pretty much stuffed
26:02
Speaker 2: because we just specialize on one part of it. We
26:06
Speaker 2: don't have communication with everyone else in their different specialties,
26:10
Speaker 2: and that is not how you create a healthy well organism.
26:15
Speaker 2: It's like saying, I'm going to take my car for
26:17
Speaker 2: a service, but today I'm going to get the right wheel.
26:20
Speaker 2: Tomorrow I'm going to get the frickin' engine. The next time,
26:23
Speaker 2: I'm going to look at the exhaust, and I'm going
26:25
Speaker 2: to look at the gearbox. And I know nothing about cars,
26:27
Speaker 2: but I know that that's probably not the way you
26:32
Speaker 2: do it.
26:33
Speaker 1: But also sometimes you'll take your car to the mechanic
26:36
Speaker 1: and you'll go can you look at the engine? And
26:39
Speaker 1: he or she goes, oh my god, we need to
26:41
Speaker 1: do this. It's going to cost you eight grand. Then
26:43
Speaker 1: you take it to another mechanic, same qualification, and they go, no,
26:48
Speaker 1: not at all. You just need a head gasket. It's
26:50
Speaker 1: going to be a grand. Yeah. So not only is there, but.
26:55
Speaker 2: To test it, you turn on the car, so the
26:57
Speaker 2: whole thing has to work. Testing this in the specialist
27:01
Speaker 2: world will fix this broken bit. Let's see if the
27:03
Speaker 2: whole body works.
27:05
Speaker 4: You know, yes, yes, and you think exactly, and then
27:10
Speaker 4: you think about like the fact that and this is
27:13
Speaker 4: not a slight on the medical profession or doctors, because
27:16
Speaker 4: that's the way that they were trained.
27:18
Speaker 1: But I mean, how many people could avoid medication. I'm
27:23
Speaker 1: not saying in all cases, of course, but if for example,
27:27
Speaker 1: they had less stress, they had more movement, they had
27:29
Speaker 1: better nutrition, they had better sleep, they had a job
27:33
Speaker 1: that they loved. And I know I'm talking idellically everybody,
27:36
Speaker 1: I get that. But rather than saying, well, you're stressed, here,
27:42
Speaker 1: take this. What if you're stressed, here, do some box breathing.
27:45
Speaker 1: Try this, yes, or try try training, because we know
27:50
Speaker 1: that exercise is one of the best treatments for anxiety
27:53
Speaker 1: and stress. We know that, we know it. You know,
27:57
Speaker 1: it affects your nervous system, affects all the hormones stress
28:00
Speaker 1: on you know. And of course there is a real
28:03
Speaker 1: clinical need, of course for certain drugs for certain conditions,
28:06
Speaker 1: of course, But I just feel like all you need
28:10
Speaker 1: to do these days is show up and go oh
28:12
Speaker 1: I feel like that, and it's boom, here's three prescriptions.
28:15
Speaker 1: And I just don't know that the trajectory we're on
28:20
Speaker 1: that it's really creating a healthy population.
28:23
Speaker 2: It's not sustainable long term, and especially what you said
28:26
Speaker 2: about depression anxiety, look at the Smiles trial with the
28:29
Speaker 2: Professor Police Jacko, who looked at cognant behavioral therapy or
28:32
Speaker 2: counseling for people with anxiety and depression versus putting them
28:36
Speaker 2: on a medi trainean diet. People that went on their
28:38
Speaker 2: Mediterranean diet got remission rates of twenty five to thirty
28:42
Speaker 2: five percent. People that did their traditional counseling got seven percent.
28:47
Speaker 2: So change your food, change your mental health. And we
28:50
Speaker 2: all know there is nobody on the planet that cannot
28:53
Speaker 2: say after they went for a walk or did a
28:55
Speaker 2: workout that they didn't feel better, no matter what the
28:59
Speaker 2: stress is, or after sleep. And I used to always
29:03
Speaker 2: think it was nutrition, exercise, sleep, and now I'm completely
29:06
Speaker 2: the other way. I think it's definitely sleep first, exercise second,
29:11
Speaker 2: and maybe maybe nutrition last. I being excose physiologists and dietian,
29:17
Speaker 2: I always put nutrition first. But I think no matter
29:21
Speaker 2: who you are or what you do, if you move
29:23
Speaker 2: your body, you feel better. And if you feel better,
29:26
Speaker 2: then you're going to make better choices with your nutrition.
29:29
Speaker 2: Whereas if you feel like crap, well yeah, it's going
29:32
Speaker 2: to be hard to eat well.
29:34
Speaker 1: Now, listeners, if you can hear that little noise that's
29:36
Speaker 1: coming from Kate's mic or something. It sounds like a
29:39
Speaker 1: little burp coming through. I'm just telling you everyone, I'm
29:42
Speaker 1: not burping. Neither's Kate's. Maybe it's your headset or something
29:47
Speaker 1: that's very funny. But I want to tell you, pursuant
29:51
Speaker 1: to this particular conversation, your honor, that there's another book
29:55
Speaker 1: for you to put on your list if you haven't
29:57
Speaker 1: read it already. It is by an author and researcher
30:02
Speaker 1: called Abigail Shreier. Abigail Shreier who interviewed hundreds of therapists
30:09
Speaker 1: and psychologists and psychiatrists, and the name of the book
30:12
Speaker 1: is Bad Therapy. And basically what they've discovered is that
30:19
Speaker 1: talk therapy for some people as good and for some
30:22
Speaker 1: people makes it worse. So, you know, for some people
30:26
Speaker 1: going and talking to you know, Barry or Sally the
30:31
Speaker 1: psychologist or psychiatrist every Tuesday afternoon at four to open
30:36
Speaker 1: that door on that thing that happened five years ago,
30:40
Speaker 1: and now I'm reliving the trauma and now I'm talking
30:42
Speaker 1: about that again, and now I'm emotional, and now I
30:45
Speaker 1: feel all of these things. Now I'm not throwing it
30:48
Speaker 1: under the bus, but there's they now know that for
30:53
Speaker 1: some people some people talk therapy is good. Like some
30:56
Speaker 1: people can eat nuts, not everyone can. Some people can
30:59
Speaker 1: drink milk, not everybody can. It's the same thing, but
31:02
Speaker 1: it doesn't work for everybody. And so to assume that.
31:05
Speaker 1: And it's interesting when I started, I'm halfway through it.
31:09
Speaker 1: But when I heard about this book, I heard her
31:12
Speaker 1: on another podcast, I went, ah, that's like me. That's
31:17
Speaker 1: like me. Now I don't me and therapy. I think
31:23
Speaker 1: therapy is great for certain people. And I'm the first
31:27
Speaker 1: to go, oh, I've got issues hundred percent. I've got issues.
31:30
Speaker 1: I've got things I need to sort through. Do I
31:32
Speaker 1: overthink yep? Have I ever got yep? But the way
31:36
Speaker 1: that it works for me is I might talk to
31:39
Speaker 1: somebody when I want to, like a person like you,
31:41
Speaker 1: I might go, hey, I'm dealing with Then you go no, no, no.
31:43
Speaker 1: But for me to go sit in a chair and
31:46
Speaker 1: then on queue just talk about shit. For me, that
31:49
Speaker 1: isn't the protocol. I tend to go a little bit inward.
31:53
Speaker 1: I'm very solution focused. I'm all about, Okay, this is
31:57
Speaker 1: the problem. How do I fix the problem. And then generally,
32:00
Speaker 1: like a day later or two days later or a
32:02
Speaker 1: week later, I'll emerge like a little worm sticking his
32:04
Speaker 1: head out of the hole, and I'll go, Okay, it's
32:08
Speaker 1: not like, oh, I'm all better now, but I've got
32:11
Speaker 1: some clarity. I've got some clarity that anxiety that was
32:15
Speaker 1: there as subsided. I you know, but it's just interesting
32:20
Speaker 1: that some of the things that we thought were you know,
32:24
Speaker 1: it's like when people go, oh, you need to go
32:27
Speaker 1: and talk to someone. Yeah, maybe not, maybe not.
32:30
Speaker 2: I do you know what, I couldn't agree more. I
32:32
Speaker 2: find that spending time with my closest friend is the
32:37
Speaker 2: best therapy I can ever ever have because your good
32:42
Speaker 2: friends don't judge you. They don't make assumptions about who
32:46
Speaker 2: you are, and I'm sure a good therapist doesn't either.
32:49
Speaker 2: But I think the feeling is, this person's going to
32:52
Speaker 2: judge me, this person's going to put me in this
32:55
Speaker 2: box here, this person's going to assume X about So
33:00
Speaker 2: either we don't open up, or we open up, but
33:03
Speaker 2: we feel like we're being judged, and then maybe we
33:05
Speaker 2: change our story a little bit. And yes, yeah, but
33:10
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more that I see a lot of
33:12
Speaker 2: people that get a lot of help from it, but
33:14
Speaker 2: I feel like they've made a human connection that it's
33:17
Speaker 2: perhaps not the therapy itself, it's the human connection with
33:20
Speaker 2: another person that they feel gets them and doesn't judge them.
33:24
Speaker 1: I've spoken about this a few times before. You might
33:27
Speaker 1: have heard of it, but the University of South Australia
33:29
Speaker 1: published some research I think it was November last year
33:34
Speaker 1: looking at the impact which you've already spoken about, but
33:37
Speaker 1: looking at the impact of exercise on depression and anxiety
33:41
Speaker 1: as a treatment protocol. Yeah, an as an intervention. Amazing.
33:47
Speaker 1: In this particular study, it outformed all the drugs by far.
33:51
Speaker 1: Now again we're not saying drugs are terrible. We're not
33:54
Speaker 1: saying there is no place for medicine. Not saying that.
33:56
Speaker 1: We're saying that. You know, like when you think, you
34:01
Speaker 1: think about, well, what does a drug do to your body?
34:03
Speaker 1: It changes you buy a chemistry like it changes, right,
34:06
Speaker 1: And what does exercise do? Ah changes you buy a
34:08
Speaker 1: chemistry like what it's you're doing something to your body,
34:13
Speaker 1: like you're moving your body or you're putting some external
34:16
Speaker 1: thing in your body. But the reason that you're doing
34:19
Speaker 1: that is you're trying to make your body feel a
34:21
Speaker 1: certain way or produce a certain outcome. And you know,
34:24
Speaker 1: it's like you hug someone, you're changing your buy a chemistry. Now,
34:28
Speaker 1: here's the interesting thing about that. You go to a
34:31
Speaker 1: fucking you know, a wedding where you're just with you know,
34:35
Speaker 1: and you meet that relative that you really don't like
34:38
Speaker 1: and you've got to give them a hug. Well, the
34:40
Speaker 1: chemicals that you're producing are way different to when you
34:43
Speaker 1: hug your grandma that you fucking love, right, So the
34:47
Speaker 1: same thing produces a different outcome depending on how you
34:50
Speaker 1: feel about that person that you are hugging.
34:54
Speaker 2: Right, absolutely creepy, So a ringe of hug.
35:00
Speaker 1: Hundred Yeah, it's like obviously this before too, you know.
35:04
Speaker 1: So I'm a motorcyclist. So I've got four bikes and
35:08
Speaker 1: I love bikes, and I every now and then someone
35:10
Speaker 1: will jump on the back and go for a ride. Now,
35:13
Speaker 1: depending on how a person feels about that, they're going
35:16
Speaker 1: to be on the back producing adrenaline and cortisol and
35:21
Speaker 1: or they're fucking going to be in doorphins and dopamine
35:25
Speaker 1: and loving it. So either something bad or something good
35:30
Speaker 1: is happening in their body, depending on how they feel
35:33
Speaker 1: about being on a motorbike with squeeze and nuts up
35:37
Speaker 1: the front taking them along beach road or whatever it is.
35:41
Speaker 2: I would least literally just had that experience. I went
35:44
Speaker 2: on the back of a boat bike with a girlfriend
35:46
Speaker 2: of mine and she's tiny and rides motorbikes, and she's like,
35:50
Speaker 2: just hang hang on, not too tight. Apparently my inner
35:53
Speaker 2: size crushed her because I was hanging on for dear
35:56
Speaker 2: life and I didn't want to grab her around the
35:58
Speaker 2: neck because she's so little, but I crushed in with
36:01
Speaker 2: my leg. She's like, just relax, just have fun. All
36:04
Speaker 2: I could think about was my bleeding body across the road.
36:07
Speaker 1: Just like, nothing fun about that is it is really
36:12
Speaker 1: and that's the relationship that we have or our story
36:17
Speaker 1: about whatever it is. It's like because I'm more relaxed
36:20
Speaker 1: on a motorbike than in a car. Oh yeah, I
36:23
Speaker 1: definitely definitely. I don't. I'm if I'm traveling somewhere, ten times,
36:31
Speaker 1: nine of those times will be on a motorbike. I
36:34
Speaker 1: do not drive very much. I typically only drive if
36:37
Speaker 1: I have to or if it's raining, and even then,
36:41
Speaker 1: unless it's heavy rain, I might still take a motorbike,
36:44
Speaker 1: you know, So like you're.
36:46
Speaker 2: Very trusting of other people. Then because I think that's
36:48
Speaker 2: my fear. I would jump out of an airplane because
36:52
Speaker 2: I could pull my parachute, and I've done that and
36:54
Speaker 2: I quite enjoy that. But getting on a motorbike where
36:57
Speaker 2: some idiot might something stupid on the road, I don't
37:01
Speaker 2: trust them.
37:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame you. Hey,
37:04
Speaker 1: I just I'm looking at the time. We've got to
37:06
Speaker 1: be quick. I want to circle back to one thing
37:08
Speaker 1: that you said, because I feel like some people might go,
37:13
Speaker 1: is that true? You said that women are more efficient?
37:18
Speaker 1: Did you say it fat burning than men fat?
37:21
Speaker 2: Yes?
37:21
Speaker 1: Okay, So then my question is why do women typically
37:26
Speaker 1: not always, of course everyone, but typically why do women
37:29
Speaker 1: have a higher body fat percentage?
37:31
Speaker 2: So they can use it? You can use it, so
37:34
Speaker 2: that body fat there is there to make sure that
37:37
Speaker 2: you can ovulate and that you can carry a baby,
37:40
Speaker 2: and it's there.
37:40
Speaker 1: To be used.
37:42
Speaker 2: So how much of it do we need? Well, not
37:45
Speaker 2: as much as seventy percent of the population, but we
37:48
Speaker 2: need it and it's really critical. We know we can't
37:50
Speaker 2: feel pregnant without it, that if your body weighs too though,
37:52
Speaker 2: you will not fall pregnant. That we know that fat
37:55
Speaker 2: actually produces chemicals as well and hormone, so we need
38:01
Speaker 2: certain levels of fat, and that fat plays a metabolic role,
38:04
Speaker 2: which for years we thought it didn't. We thought it
38:07
Speaker 2: was just a storage of energy that did nothing, and
38:09
Speaker 2: now we know it's a metabolic tissue. So it definitely
38:12
Speaker 2: plays a role. And I certainly have seen rat in
38:14
Speaker 2: my studies where they talk about fat storage and actually
38:18
Speaker 2: putting a say a stone in a backpack of a
38:22
Speaker 2: rat or like a backpack over rat and getting them
38:25
Speaker 2: to exercise and then taking it away, and it's the
38:29
Speaker 2: pull of gravity from the weight that changes their body
38:34
Speaker 2: weight and their appetite. So they eat up to that
38:37
Speaker 2: extra weight because of the pull of gravity. So there's
38:40
Speaker 2: something about fat cells that regulates fat cells. So that's
38:46
Speaker 2: what that study was all about. It was just saying
38:48
Speaker 2: that it's not just gravity, it's also fat cells controlling
38:54
Speaker 2: our weight, not lean muscle cells. That's why when people
38:57
Speaker 2: lose weight on say something like ozen picle, they lose
39:00
Speaker 2: it really really quickly, or maybe they lose it in
39:03
Speaker 2: fat dieting or some other way. They tend to regain
39:08
Speaker 2: the fat weight first, because the fat weight has a
39:12
Speaker 2: some sort of regulator around it and then you regain
39:15
Speaker 2: the lean body mass. But most people start dieting again
39:18
Speaker 2: before they gain the lean body mass, so then they
39:21
Speaker 2: put on more and more fat. And that's why yuyo
39:23
Speaker 2: dieting ends up in people becoming more and more higher
39:27
Speaker 2: percentage of body fat, Whereas if in fact you weighted,
39:30
Speaker 2: your lean body mass would come back and then your
39:32
Speaker 2: metabolic rate would go up again and then you could
39:34
Speaker 2: get rid of more body fat and it would be
39:36
Speaker 2: more successful. So don't quit too early is really the key.
39:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. So when you lose weight quickly, everyone
39:44
Speaker 1: you lose what you're losing. When you lose let's say
39:47
Speaker 1: you're I hate this, you know number thing, But let's
39:52
Speaker 1: just say you eighty kilos and you'd like to be sixty, right,
39:56
Speaker 1: and I'm not. We're more concerned with body composition, how
39:59
Speaker 1: you're put together, rather than a number on the scales.
40:01
Speaker 1: But let's just say so the quicker that you lose
40:04
Speaker 1: that twenty kilos. So if you lose two or three
40:07
Speaker 1: kilos a week, which is a lot, if you only
40:10
Speaker 1: weigh eighty as too much, you're losing in this order.
40:13
Speaker 1: You're losing water, muscle fat in that order. And then
40:17
Speaker 1: when you regain it, which most people will, especially with
40:21
Speaker 1: rapid weight loss. What you regain it water fat, muscle last,
40:27
Speaker 1: and so as Kate said, you might end up back
40:29
Speaker 1: at eighty kilos, but with respect, now you're fatter, So
40:34
Speaker 1: now you've got a higher body fat percentage unless lean
40:37
Speaker 1: tissue or muscle, and you're back at the same weight.
40:40
Speaker 1: So it is that what's your rough guide? My guide
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Speaker 1: is about one percent of body weight is not a
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Speaker 1: bad rate per week. So if someone weighed ninety kilos
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Speaker 1: to lose like point nine or sixty kilos point six
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Speaker 1: a week or one hundred and twenty one point two,
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Speaker 1: do you have a rough weight loss guide that's kind
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Speaker 1: of works for you?
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Speaker 2: Really really interesting point. I love that analogy and I
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Speaker 2: think that's a nice sustainable way to do it. But
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Speaker 2: with human beings and their interactions with food, and they're
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Speaker 2: three hundred thoughts a day, I've seen the most success
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Speaker 2: with people getting off as much as they can whilst
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Speaker 2: they're motivated, but instilling good behaviors along the way, which
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Speaker 2: include taking up exercise if they don't exercise. So I
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Speaker 2: tend to find the best outcomes so when they can
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Speaker 2: get a block of weight off and then tell them
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Speaker 2: to stop and just live at that new weight for
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Speaker 2: three months, six months a year, get comfortable at that
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Speaker 2: new weight, then try and lose your next block of weight.
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Speaker 2: So that's why I've seen the biggest success.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's interesting, So kind of not go nuts, but
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Speaker 1: kind of go nuts. And then because.
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Speaker 2: Your motivation only lasts a short period of time, so
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Speaker 2: use it. Why it's there, and then you feel good. Right,
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Speaker 2: once you've hit a particular weight, you feel good. And
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Speaker 2: when you feel good, you look after yourself. So don't
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Speaker 2: go too long that you start to regain weight and
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Speaker 2: you feel crappy again. So whilst you're feeling good, relax,
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Speaker 2: hold that weight and then have another crack ato it again.
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Speaker 2: So do it in blocks.
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Speaker 1: Is that now I'm not questioning that. Is there any research,
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Speaker 1: Like I know you do all your own research and
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Speaker 1: you're constantly working with people. Is there actually any research
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Speaker 1: on that particular protocol.
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Speaker 2: I haven't looked really deeply into that. It is my anecdotal. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I've seen ten thousand people lose weight, and I think
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Speaker 2: the ones that are most successful, when they've lost a
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Speaker 2: big block, right, their weight goes back up, but it
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Speaker 2: doesn't go back up to where it started. And then
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Speaker 2: they have another go and they lose a little bit more.
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Speaker 2: They take a break, so they could be within you know,
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Speaker 2: lose ten kilos in six months, and then they might
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Speaker 2: put on one or two kilo and then they might
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Speaker 2: go well next year. My goal is to lose another
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Speaker 2: four kilos. So they lose another four kilos, they put
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Speaker 2: on one or two kilos, there's still twelve kilos down
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Speaker 2: from where they started. Don't check my math set, but
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Speaker 2: you know, so you progressively get there. But I think
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Speaker 2: when the motivation's high, make the changes, because if you
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Speaker 2: do not make the changes, then you may, particularly with women,
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Speaker 2: during a cycle, your weight can change by two to
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Speaker 2: three kilos. I know that mine does. So all your
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Speaker 2: motivations are lost in that twenty eight days as your
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Speaker 2: weight just cycles through holding more water and those sorts
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Speaker 2: of things.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, we're going to do it. You and I
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Speaker 1: are going to do a show on motivation one day.
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Speaker 1: The other thing, too, though, is over the long term,
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Speaker 1: we need our behavior and our habits to outlast our motivation.
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Speaker 1: Otherwise we're going to spend the next thirty years stopping
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Speaker 1: and starting stuff right, So eventually we need to get
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Speaker 1: to the point where we've created a new normal.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, in a sustainable way. Like if you're going to
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Speaker 2: say I'm giving out chocolate forever, I'll just never blink
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Speaker 2: at chocolate again. Well is that actually going to work?
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Speaker 2: Make yourself a rule, have two pieces of chocolate whenever
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Speaker 2: you want a piece of chocolate. Or I have a
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Speaker 2: rule with chips. I think I've talked about this. If
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Speaker 2: I'm having hot chips, I'll have ten hot chips. I'm
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Speaker 2: going to have ten hot chips whenever i want ten
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Speaker 2: hot chips. I could have ten hot chips every day,
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Speaker 2: but I'm only going to have ten's.
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Speaker 1: Yeah that's you know. Yeah, some people are like, fuck
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Speaker 1: your ten chip rules had one hundred. Hey Kate, how
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Speaker 1: can people find you and follow you and connect with
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Speaker 1: you and learn more about befit food and all the
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Speaker 1: things that you do.
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Speaker 2: Now the Beefit Food Australia Instagram or my kates save Instagrams.
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Speaker 2: You know's got a bit of stuff there. My LinkedIn
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Speaker 2: is probably where I'm most active, so old, so boring
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Speaker 2: that I love LinkedIn, so probably they're perfect.
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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you, thanks so much for coming to
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Speaker 1: play on the you project. I know you had a
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Speaker 1: very busy day and I only rang you a few
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Speaker 1: hours ago in the middle of your mayhem, and you went, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: i'm filming this and i'm doing that, and I'm talking
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Speaker 1: to this group and I'm but yeah, So thank you
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Speaker 1: so much. I appreciate you taking the time my pleasure.
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Speaker 1: Chat soon, Thanks Kate. We'll say goodbye a fair but
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Speaker 1: thanks for now.