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- 0:01Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
- 0:08season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts listen
- 0:15to it on radio train topic. Our President would have been born in Argentina,
- 0:23Dr Rabiero Mirey was presiding Hello. To all there is no stabilization plan,
- 0:41not good, but the delay to change. Here' s a problem
- 0:44of currency arrears. It is impossible to achieve the zero deficit in the twenty
- 0:49- four thousand. Good. It' s very little speck, it'
- 0:53s already a lot of equator, but you' re not liberal. There
- 0:56were taxes as well as not pron. But if I add one plus three
- 1:03hundred sixty- five times and I give three sixty and I can' t
- 1:06do it if there' s no video and there' s not you who
- 1:10invited me to be fed by your noodle Cotuko. They want to know how
- 1:11the economy is going to grow, it' s going to go up like
- 1:12fart bus. But there' s no and cloud, well, because there
- 1:15' s no comprehensive plan. But you should set the path. This is
- 1:19not a liberal government because it did not release the drug. Not because there
- 1:23' s a changed appreciation. I have appreciation change but good freedom face few
- 1:37my friends, very but very good afternoon that we are selling nine cruel construction.
- 1:41Last July' s wine. Here we are. Our 20th of August
- 1:46anniversary is coming. Twenty- two August, uh, we' ll run
- 1:49away or new anniversary, because we have the season on andintiuno. That'
- 1:53s all, but with Dromos augury it' s the Weather Service page.
- 1:56With sharp that it comes very nice. Hopefully it doesn' t rain,
- 1:59Thursday and Friday of everything not at the end of hot spring, although then
- 2:02with twelve forty- six we notice obvious tomorrow says eight seventeen the forecast.
- 2:07Today we come from three hundred and fourteen and at this moment there are about
- 2:10eleven, nothing more, and there is wind Thursday, fifteen, twenty-
- 2:15two, Friday, he agabo the nineteen, twenty- six and there is
- 2:19no rain. Sado thirteen twenty with isolated storms, Sunday thirteen twenty with no
- 2:23rain. Okay. The truth is that from there it will be a few
- 2:27days, almost in spring, almost summer, not twenty- six, on
- 2:30Friday, well it will be nice in a little while. We' ll
- 2:32be here with Uwaime, also with Daniel Tipper, talking about Plyptica, talking
- 2:38about the River Plate Athletic Club. What about gallardo to go to the olet
- 2:40page running loud home if you want to take a little coke. Argentina has
- 2:46always won zero Argentina in its Ukraine. Wait for France as they laughed in
- 2:51the quarterfinals. We' re talking about the twenty- threeth most Cheran sub
- 2:59who won two to zero to see a gallant. The deadlines are stretched.
- 3:01This could take another week. The doll will be the tea doll, but
- 3:06it needs time to rearrange its life and the leaders the same to accommodate structure.
- 3:08It says Ventero. The Pole El Blue Baja sports journal fort in a
- 3:15thousand three hundred eighty- five Baja two points a. It was all the
- 3:17last days. It came out of a thousand and four hundred. It reached
- 3:19ten fifteen days ago 1, 500 as a roof until the intervention of the
- 3:23government risk country rises little, zero twenty- six percent. It' s
- 3:27worth a thousand five hundred fifty- four points. I can fit a little,
- 3:30a thousand two eighty more than one percent, yet with the balance more
- 3:32than one percent, a thousand two seventy- eight. Scale, the attention
- 3:37to Maduro' s regime, the dictatorship, let' s say no,
- 3:38probably didn' t cut the light on the Argentine Embassy in Caracas, where
- 3:42six opponents became silent, a pig head and a bullet Angel and Maria,
- 3:46because the selection, with all the brutal threats they received and their frustrating and
- 3:51frustrating their return to Rosario Central. The ninety- three selection we followed Miley
- 3:55Inveran Mondino, the transiller drawn to the special session of the huaa, apparently
- 4:00in Washington, Maduro began a mega hunt and a brutal repression. The Hoya
- 4:04concluded that Venezuela’ s elections perpetuated the most gripping manipulation. Make it clear,
- 4:09but on the way back from Gallardo to River we saw the most far
- 4:12- reaching gathering of the illusions, six dead, forty- six had and
- 4:16scenes of injuries during the anti- fraud protests. Maduro came from a formcity
- 4:20to buy a remedy for me and my daughter and I tell you I saw
- 4:24a Venezuelan attending and talking among them, among the employees, not an employee
- 4:29against employee. The youngest girl was Venezuela and how everything is to see As
- 4:33I understood it is clearly deduced the mother lives in Venezuela and says that she
- 4:36is obviously super depressed of those who sent to greater poverty or to poverty chavismo.
- 4:42You were telling him to go out on the street to protest. No,
- 4:44no, Mom, we' ve got him banned out there because with
- 4:46the rivers there. Well, there we have the new six dead mature.
- 4:49Which adds up to the disappearances of murders by the madurist gangs and so on.
- 4:55I' m telling you, it can' t be dark here.
- 4:57It' s a dictatorship about Maduro, even if he calls it. There
- 5:00' s no room for lukewarmness. If there is room for the silence of
- 5:02Cristina Fernández Sergio Masa I don' t know if anything left the champagne,
- 5:08although the rock that I don' t give the champagne in silence in the
- 5:10rock that came out somehow benching. Well, there' s no room for
- 5:14lukewarmness. And even more, if you are progressive, humanist, democratic,
- 5:17place for the national and popular, this type of Victor Morales, ridiculous or
- 5:23some friendly people, and there is no place for that, at all,
- 5:30there should be no place, but to condemn a regime that is going to
- 5:33carry the restrictions more of those who are facing and fighting right in the United
- 5:36States. Human rights are fought against dictatorships of the left and the right.
- 5:42Let' s say from Franco to a Romanian dictatorship, from Maduro to Pinochet,
- 5:48Videla. Well, it doesn' t matter the color description. But
- 5:51he' s on the Waime line. Not yet. Not good. We
- 5:56' re looking for Waime. In the second half hour we will be with
- 6:00Daniel Keper to talk, as I told them, first about politics and after
- 6:04River updated a little titles. They liked the weather a little bit. I
- 6:06told them about Gallardo that, according to Lee, it' s safe to
- 6:12ride or yes, I guess so, but good to be a little more
- 6:15cautious and I hope it' s delayed in principle. It would delay in
- 6:21principle the assumption of Gallardo as technician of river Bueno to see to update a
- 6:28little more the agenda. There we are or we' re already with Naime.
- 6:31Tomorrow we will be as always friend Gustavo Ferreri Wolfenson. On Thursday we
- 6:40closed with Eduardo Fidanza in principle. If you do not have any last-
- 6:45minute commitment and if it will not be this Thursday, it will open on
- 6:47Tuesday or Wednesday of the week that comes confidence review to see the country of
- 6:51Madrid. While I wait, now, we can hook Aime, if we
- 6:56have problems, hook Aimes, well see, let' s talk about the
- 6:59problem. I was going to the production, but if it' s there
- 7:01I' m obviously going with it, which was the pattern. Well,
- 7:06I say hello. Then Uguay filled me with a little ride. He'
- 7:09ll be there. I' m reading the country of Madrid. The pact
- 7:13between the PSC, which is the Socialist Party of Catalonia and ARC, foresees
- 7:18new funding in the first half of two thousand twenty- five. I'
- 7:21m coming with Aime. It says the country of Madrid. Sanchez is the
- 7:25president. You grow up against the judge haired by prevarication and I don'
- 7:30t see that. There is one down Venezuela, election two thousand twenty-
- 7:32four, anguish, protests and international pressure. Pulse for a verifiable count in
- 7:38Venezuela. I' ve got cool as I told you, there was a
- 7:41good afternoon. How' s it going, how' s it going,
- 7:45how' s it going, thanks for tempting them like always good pasta for
- 7:48the wild beasts. How does this game suit my law, beyond a position
- 7:50that is understandable or acceptable in terms of anti- suro positioning, raise the
- 8:00tone and so on with Argentina, all of which are at the ceiling of
- 8:05the enormous Venezuelan immigration we have and how it also redeems that in the face
- 8:11of a quinnerism or opposition that is a question. You don' t know
- 8:11where to stand or even in some cases I have quinelite friends who support mature.
- 8:16Now let' s say in these the political point of view, obviously
- 8:24of law of Miley' s position, seems correct, because obviously the electric
- 8:31process cannot be defended. That' s very clear. It will already be
- 8:39a problem that what Peronism does, that Cristina does, that they do not
- 8:45dress sectors. I didn' t hear, let' s say what defined
- 8:48moon. It seems to me that behind the lura in the rest is the
- 8:54ppelmos as if I accepted. I know if he' ll take any more
- 8:58old stuff this height. I still missed it not. One had seen nothing
- 9:00that was. His name is a critic, not mature. Yeah, it
- 9:03takes a while. You asked me about techne, yes, by mass,
- 9:09by mass, in this case that I don' t normally. He always
- 9:13said to be a dictatorship. It' s okay. He hasn' t
- 9:16shown up yet, let' s say, let' s not agree if
- 9:18I know if he' s gonna show up. You have to see,
- 9:20well, it didn' t seem like it. Today Tuesday has not appeared,
- 9:22I say to see, but lately no. No, massa, he
- 9:26' s not showing up. Let' s say they' re more bound
- 9:31to exist than we' re party to say? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?
- 9:33Yeah? Yeah? Beyond those beyond value judgments, legitimacy, I say,
- 9:37in political terms or political construction, is skillful. My law of standing
- 9:41up clearly, and the fundamental law of the opposition is more evident, I
- 9:46mean, it makes it vivalences of a position or what one would like as
- 9:50a serious and consistent opposition, no doubt with respect to Maduro, if it
- 9:54is lukewarm, with respect to a dictatorship, like Maduro, the truth that
- 9:56I say something so independent, at least do not give it well the opposition
- 10:01Panada futuro do not say that I mean to see this, this Venezuelan case,
- 10:05beyond the humanitarian and the political, takes advantage Miley political and in the
- 10:09opposition takes a shot in the foot a priori if it is okay, but
- 10:13let' s say from the point of view of public opinion, I do
- 10:16not see that that it does not change anything. Not good, but it
- 10:20' s okay, it doesn' t change, but, but sorry,
- 10:22I don' t change. Okay. Correct me, we are obviously debating
- 10:24or talking. It doesn' t change, but it nods a thousand Laws
- 10:28are set against model and that I can' t take off from something that
- 10:31' s generally frowned upon. I don' t know from 80 to 90
- 10:33percent of Argentines, like the regime. Well, yes, obviously ends up
- 10:37making the problem of which not previously good moneyism or of the pe o,
- 10:43of Peronism, which is the main opposition. I mean, it was pretty
- 10:46lukewarm in quotes, so you don' t see that it was lukewarm.
- 10:52Well, you don' t call it say, I don' t know,
- 10:54you don' t call it authoritarian, dictator, as you want to
- 10:56call it. I am not the one who says that Venezuela must be invaded,
- 10:56but I say I am a progressive in quotation marks and I believe that
- 11:01human rights must be counted with as much rigour on the left as on the
- 11:05right, no more and no less than that. Ah, I, in
- 11:09the case, see that the radicals defined themselves against. I think he used
- 11:13it, he defined it against me with the same argument that you can'
- 11:20t accept an address without art. I think it is true that there is
- 11:24a debt of Peronism. Well, he still has time. There you go.
- 11:26I think Peronism is all Cristina, they' re going to go behind
- 11:31what Lula says and what we say. Well, that' s not there.
- 11:39It seems to me that since it isn' t. I agree that
- 11:43they should in some way repudiate the issue of something that appears in the halls
- 11:48and the raven larroque that is no longer a trampora is won, but you
- 11:54are very close to the man today, close, not orque es ach del
- 12:01quesillo, who also hastens for his absence and his silence in some way and
- 12:05young, must respect the popular will. Well from this point on, I
- 12:07say the one who rowed in agreement, no, no, I don'
- 12:09t agree to harsh summary, but he had to see if we understood each
- 12:13other. I' m not valuing you or I' m not asking you.
- 12:15I' m just analyzing in terms of joint game juice. I agree
- 12:18that there is a baoy capitalizes and how the opposition continue to folo looking the
- 12:22other way. Let' s say I, no, well, I,
- 12:26then my answer is I believe that the issue of Venezuela does not change what
- 12:33a publo thinks and tarn the a ni on my law, neither on Cristina
- 12:37nor on anyone else. That' s what I' m all about,
- 12:41not just something else. The button, the center voter, the independent voter,
- 12:45the one that did, the one that threw Cristina, did not vote
- 12:48and botomatri that killed Macriboto, Alberto, the one that made my law,
- 12:52the one that I voting my law, the quinnerism, that of the fifteen
- 12:56twenty percent in the middle, does not like. No, no, I
- 12:58don' t know if I want to get it. There' s a
- 13:03long way to go, obviously, but I say in terms of victory.
- 13:03But it would not be convenient for me to have a clear position condemning what
- 13:09is happening in Venezuela. Let' s say as an opponent, let'
- 13:11s talk about Kizlopocamon, who wants to be post- Quinerism more than a
- 13:16little bit more straight to the center, a broad front here, if we
- 13:20forget about Cristina, that if we shouldn' t have a clear position in
- 13:22this I say in terms of positioning. No. I am not speaking in
- 13:24moral terms, I am speaking in terms of political growth, of seeking to
- 13:28go to the center or going to be that independent boot. It shouldn'
- 13:31t be more cro it shouldn' t be clearer, no, it shouldn
- 13:33' t have an opinion, for example, that if I think so,
- 13:39but I think they have time, not much, but they have time.
- 13:43Okay. That' s what I' m talking about, Mara. It
- 13:46could also be this reasoning the tism when I won was aligned. You do
- 13:54know what I' m trying to say with that, that all that doesn
- 14:01' t change what happens to Argentine opinion. Even people don' t handle
- 14:05themselves in those termenos, because it defines the choice in Argentina, in the
- 14:13lower middle class, let' s say that sector, what they' re
- 14:20looking at is something else. He' s looking at Venezuela, that Venezuela
- 14:26lied. So I think that would make a big mistake the Peronism the minutes
- 14:35of not questioning the electrical process. But no one is saying that the next
- 14:43opposition process is going through the cinema itself, not even Peronism, the party
- 14:48is justicialist. Let' s say today, he doesn' t go through
- 14:54it if he doesn' t go through Peronist postkinnism, where he' s
- 14:56going to go. I believe that in Argenti there is a process in which
- 15:03centon parties or central Peronism has a scope to be built as positions and I
- 15:09believe that Christianity is very lacking. That' s why Peronism also because it
- 15:15doesn' t end up doing a self- criticism of what happened. So,
- 15:20hopefully we' ll see a new division? Shall we have a new
- 15:24Peronist division? Don' t be a jar and time I don' t
- 15:26know what name you' re putting on you. Will we see a new
- 15:28Peronist division? I know you. It was always that It was always that.
- 15:31He was never aligned with the electoral system at the national level. That
- 15:37' s not there. It wasn' t the last election, I mean,
- 15:39it was your other one of mass. Now with the dough. I
- 15:43didn' t see him except it' s God that no, well,
- 15:48he didn' t play or travista, that he didn' t play with
- 15:52the per band, well, he didn' t play, he wasn'
- 15:56t a coder at the level. Okay, well, this time we'
- 16:00re gonna have to get back to that. Okay. For this reason,
- 16:03it seems to me that you can no longer look like a photo at what
- 16:08happens in an old photo what happens in Argentine politics. I think all this
- 16:17is going to lead to replanters, even assuming it changed a sexual of Peronism.
- 16:22To say what they are doing penism that I already received a criticism of
- 16:30Maduro from the minor of the Moyans, it is not true, that is
- 16:36to say, that there is going to open up a whole diffusion in Argentina
- 16:40about this situation, about the progressism that the thought of seeing about Venezuela,
- 16:45the more and one already saw it on the television channels. It is interesting,
- 16:47it is impuebe questioned and America, the program that some programs in America
- 16:55was like reaffirming that Maduro had won a controversy. That is why it also
- 17:00seems to me that all this is very very dynamic. Those who are called
- 17:07to lead in some way Peronism of the center that you say you will have,
- 17:10as I don' t know some greening or greater potentiality if we want
- 17:14to put it that way. It seems to me that I tend to think
- 17:18that the alternatives to the situations that come was a mixture of hairism, with
- 17:23a mixture of sector. I think we are going to find a government that
- 17:32is falling into all its pillars at the moment. So how is that,
- 17:40how the government at that time has its four stacks. They' ve all
- 17:45fallen. It falls into expectations for the future, the President' s image
- 17:52falls, all economic indicators falls, his approvals of the country fall. At
- 18:02this point let us say the President' s approval in the forty- six
- 18:06positive, fifty- five negative. Soon, how much forgiveness he lost professes
- 18:08this tempt how much ocu the outlook fifty- five negative, forty- six
- 18:15to fifty- five, exactly the worst indicator he has had so quiet.
- 18:21That' s not personal image. That' s what it is. This
- 18:23is discharge. They cannot discharge ok and the personal image of the President.
- 18:30In addition, at the lowest level of approval in the personal since he is
- 18:38President of forty- six positive image points and only thirty- four percent of
- 18:45Argentines believe that the President knows gagnan, so what we are having today in
- 18:49Argentina from the month of June that I am entering for most colleagues is a
- 18:56fall in the approval indicators or positive seditors of the President, but that they
- 19:03are not so important because it is not past. I was forty- six.
- 19:12Now it is forty and had forty- six hours has forty- four
- 19:18in approval forgiveness, but the negative indicators are the highest in the historic series.
- 19:27It means there' s a population that' s saying this I don
- 19:30' t like. Only thirty- four percent say that they know how to
- 19:37govern exactly that thirty- seven said it last month, or that we count
- 19:47so many of the other dimensions of the situation in Argentina. That' s
- 19:52electorally resounding, not validally. Before. Thirty- eight told me that I
- 19:56was going to stand the Andres for the President now, but from thirty-
- 19:59five to give the prince. I mean, the question is how long.
- 20:03This is a tea for a month or, it' s a trend already
- 20:07at the university dressed ladyn these their own days. I' m saying the
- 20:11same thing that you have with others, to indicate the same thing that is
- 20:15with the University of Tera falls the trust of oria and that you say you
- 20:21don' t know yet. You have to wait for me It' s
- 20:22coming to pass. It' s a good month, but we don'
- 20:23t know it' s a trend. That' s why not because let
- 20:27' s say this month or we were in July, we had a dollar
- 20:30increase. There should be no problem, because the other problem that is taking
- 20:36place is inflation, it is still a problem for households, because only thirty
- 20:41percent of households have no problem reaching the end of the month, because we
- 20:44are going to carlo, we have to change shopping habits or embarrass ourselves and
- 20:48poverty as problems country to home as well as inflation as problem country. I,
- 20:59if I would, don' t stop inflation. What worries me about
- 21:03tonces is demos. We have a waiting level of forty percent. Forty-
- 21:10five percent. It says well, I' ll wait a year or a
- 21:14little longer. We' re fifty- five. You' re telling me
- 21:15clearly, there are six more months, that is, until the end of
- 21:18the year. Yes, that is the situation of the current Government. That
- 21:22' s why you' re telling me about Venezuela. I respect. Me.
- 21:26No. No, no, no, no. No. No,
- 21:26well, it doesn' t give you any argument about politics. Then every
- 21:30total remembers you completely. I don' t think you' ll have your
- 21:37problem from someone else. Totally lacunative or not so healthy. I totally agree.
- 21:42I say what to see if I plant it this way and as analytical
- 21:45even as uninterested sweat that lives, but above all as a list the renewed
- 21:49opposition with not look friendly where we saw that silo as a paradigm. She
- 21:56' s lost to see if what we can see like this, share or
- 21:59not. He' s missing the opportunity to differentiate himself, to make a
- 22:03leap of quality, by not condemning what he' s doing maturely, let
- 22:07' s put it in a man who disagrees, but I would say it
- 22:11to myself, but out here we' re seeing that if he doesn'
- 22:19t have to decide what he does himself that in the case of the masses,
- 22:26prioritize his personal interests. Of that, they prioritize the unity of Peronism
- 22:30in the Union, for the part, and then we will be in that
- 22:33debate. Today we are not in definitions. Not to see me, I
- 22:36can even understand it and this thing you say is. What I' m
- 22:38saying is that he takes it by understanding that logic as well as politics.
- 22:41I say you' re missing your chance. I' m just saying,
- 22:45and I' m not saying, and I' m not dividing, and
- 22:45I' m not saying anything. I' m just reading that or for
- 22:48all this stuff that you say for preserving the logic of unity. I don
- 22:52' t think it' s an opportunity to differentiate forgiveness, because the model
- 22:56of Argentina is installed. Let' s do Venezuela. Okay. If you
- 22:57criticize major censorship, don' t mediate the mature dictatorship. Well, you
- 23:02get a little mote out that we were on our way to Venezuela and all
- 23:06to blablabla bla bueno if you let go of the opportunity, the truth.
- 23:08I believe in the following yes that although those who disagree will tell you exactly
- 23:17what oism the sector say that they want to put the mont to Peronism or
- 23:23to the firstism that I am pal that Venezuela sounds quite ridiculous, a ridiculous
- 23:30with the people, situation that lie flix sir who does not want to hand
- 23:34over the power, the obvious pelodip n is obvious, obvious the minutes or
- 23:44like the same thing, but that was or little put in, neither did
- 23:48they put the position in jail. Then I mean all those clichés serve for
- 23:55the time being. Not because if it is not how we explain that Barca
- 23:59Fernández has to be won of the election of the two thousand nineteen, that
- 24:03at that moment quinerismo is aligning for mature. Therefore, it seems to me
- 24:08that looking at it from there does not give us a definition of what will
- 24:17happen past, so to me, personally, obviously I would like you not
- 24:22to, but we do not impose everything. Say yes, this is unacceptable.
- 24:30Well, but there are pros let' s say political doors, but
- 24:36I try to take it to another plane, which is totally we begin to
- 24:41see two thousand twenty and from here in two thousand twenty. That is why
- 24:42I say the stubbornness that the government now has the exit of Mauricio Marcri and
- 24:48let' s say trying to open up the government' s role with them.
- 24:56There are a number of situations that are taking place. It is very
- 25:00difficult to make an evaluation of what will be a variable that will trigger this
- 25:03short- tongado story, fall total, total, It speaks mu much social
- 25:08networks and from the use of social networks and others of the distracting operatives,
- 25:11not from being as always showing movement of part of the government of Miley much
- 25:17operating distraction, that of Villarruel. We have to mark it in this because
- 25:22some people I speak libertarian with and not just libertarian, they tell me Mira,
- 25:26Fernando was the star, Vidal was the dam. You remember the Felgueres
- 25:30and Villarruel. If you can play a little, I could unmatch against some
- 25:34vote in the Senate. But Villanuel goes to an election and has five percent
- 25:37vote and libertarians have one. My law to Villarrol is a marginal saying.
- 25:42It' s part of the worst. It makes for a real fight and
- 25:45amorte, but I mean it' s part of the distraction. Or talk
- 25:48a lot about my law. He tries to capitalize on Maduro' s model.
- 25:51It' s part of the distraction. He does. He wouldn'
- 25:55t let Villaruela' s photographer in. Rural, et cetera, et cetera,
- 25:59et cetera? Yes, one could have several interpretations, to see one
- 26:06that everyone who always remains vice president wants to be president. Two that seem
- 26:11not to think exactly the same, but I think Mira has the tone,
- 26:19although my Rolf has a much more nationalist idea. It' s the one
- 26:27that expresses and has a bond with the military itself, not that Miley has.
- 26:33They' re expressing hirings to you now. If these contradictions do not
- 26:37end up finally uniting together, because it suits you both what seems like a
- 26:45division, but they end up being functional in terms of public opinion. Or
- 26:48say the term public opinion, the whole Millay and you see it as functional
- 26:52let' s say finally, it doesn' t seem as complementary to them.
- 26:56Yeah, yeah, total there' s no destitute game to watch.
- 27:00I think Villarroel' s first game is good. If this one day jabo
- 27:04or Jamoncito falls off me or he' s not telling me. I'
- 27:11m totally staying here to see if that would make it. But I say
- 27:14but well, I play it clearly, there' s a game. It
- 27:17is clear that there is a taste game calls, because it is not casual,
- 27:22a luk everything. When he talks, they' ll tell him he
- 27:25says well, I have the different one, but you could talk to him.
- 27:26You can already deny that talking to you can take the anxieties, things
- 27:30that happen to us completely that good. Now electorally, effectively, as I
- 27:37was told, on a libertarian side and even the Peronists does not represent little.
- 27:41Let' s say the ground tomorrow, lockdown, the court, and
- 27:42I' ll say it by myself. She' s not little? Let
- 27:45' s say there I can hum now a little bit, but it'
- 27:48s not a little bit, a blazing star, but because no government manages
- 27:52us and electorally. In short, if you go alone, you don'
- 27:55t go under the wing of my law. No, it' s nothing,
- 27:56or it' s little, let' s say, he' s
- 28:00thinking electoral. Okay. She may be thinking of two situations. One situation
- 28:06is obvious that there is an anti- vachame assembly another situation. Milady was
- 28:12wrong, she' s wrong, she looks at the mandate, but she
- 28:21can' t aspire a second to re- election. Okay. There I
- 28:23am. It seems to me that it is the peaces that it is possible
- 28:32that in any case it always has to be in the public opinion. His
- 28:36image is very similar to that of Diley Va' s public opinion of the
- 28:41world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, as the game
- 28:45is clear, but it' s hard both I don' t say to
- 28:48see. Suppose fictional policy falls into Miley. It is difficult for her to
- 28:52preserve herself and it is difficult that, if it is my lele, it
- 28:56goes wrong, but also mandate she can make the succession renewed or prolyf otimized.
- 29:00I think there' s something to see. There' s a subject
- 29:03I think we need to look a little bit at. Miley' s not
- 29:08happening for now. Spade can change we gave it so it destroys the State
- 29:15and it is the internationalist to notice total tourist. But the world is making
- 29:21nationalism, it is not making America with trunas Europe. The spread in Europe
- 29:33is John the nationalist. We are or John less than in that point of
- 29:40view, in the search for a national leadership and pol after having competitive capacity
- 29:49is another total thing of Buddha. Wow. Thank you, as always,
- 29:56eh no, please, a big hug political author, our columnist, a
- 30:00prominent romans from Douway. There, sign with us at the start of this
- 30:04plural construction. I' ve got it here for online. Well, I
- 30:10' m going to say hello to him and see if Daniel Ay listens and
- 30:15says he mutates Daniel my friend very good afternoon, how he is doing good
- 30:18afternoon, how you are. Fernando, well, all right, thanks for
- 30:19taking care of us. Good for a very reputed fan to arrive like you
- 30:23to see where I start from. Let' s talk about Rivero today for
- 30:26a change of personal feeling. Good to have kicked him out, which is
- 30:33what happened to Martin de Michellis as a fan. After the words of yesterday
- 30:38' s President Jorge Bristo. I must confess that I am surprised because he
- 30:48expressed a minor self- criticism at the meeting of the directive, by the
- 30:56way, that they did not know how to defend him. It seems that
- 31:00others expelled Martin from Michelli and not President Jorge Ulito and his board of directors.
- 31:07So the first point I make is my surprise at this statement. There
- 31:15was also a need for a deeper self- criticism of the club president,
- 31:22because I have been pointing out him a long time ago the problem of ribar
- 31:30was not the technician, but the leaders. Mentally because of his bad way
- 31:36of managing the lack of a football policy, he had been asking for that
- 31:45time to change the Football Council, change the manager of football, then change
- 31:52the technician, as a consequence of this to define a new bottom policy,
- 31:56but Michelle is not responsible for buying the bulk prices that have been paid by
- 32:04footballers who have not shown a suitable performance. Consider the case of Rondon,
- 32:12who postponed a player from the height of the Colombian for more than a year
- 32:17that each time he plays he does not return goals in each game. It
- 32:27has been this leadership who has sold young players to be turbid of the Castro
- 32:35Seed, JuliánÁlvarez Censo, Fernández, bel Plan Hirotti to name some and
- 32:44they bought Rondon to replace Hiroteas or the plane to Borza Ponce. It is
- 32:51self- critical in order to understand that a large club like River needs a
- 32:59well planned football policy and it is this that is delaying the return of Barcelo
- 33:04Gallardo, because Marcelo Gallardo left for certain reasons, precisely because he made criticisms
- 33:15similar to those that I have synthesized. And it is necessary for Marcelo Gallardo
- 33:21' s return also to be granted a management in football that allows him not
- 33:27to have to endure what is Mitchelli' s hero tole, which is to
- 33:30be put on players bought by the leaders. It cannot be River' s
- 33:37football policy and, in particular, the policy of complementing and selling players,
- 33:43determined by business friends and close to the leaders or the manager of football or
- 33:50friends of the manager of football, because this leads to the bad results that
- 33:59River has had in this last time. Businessmen friends and what I say to
- 34:07you business friends, the dirigito has bought entrepreneurs, friends, footballers, let
- 34:12' s say the leaders buy according to the advice of entrepreneurs, friends.
- 34:17There it seems that they can ask a certain entrepreneur to see which player you
- 34:25have to buy. And it is those footballers who have arrived in River who
- 34:30have paid themselves clearly that they have not surrendered some left the club, others
- 34:37still do not remain. But it is the businessmen and not the Council of
- 34:45the technician that determined the policy of buying and selling footballers. And this thing
- 34:50I' m telling you today, you can look it up in the interviews
- 34:55that we had talking about football a month ago or two pless exactly the same
- 35:00thing. It is necessary for River to modify this policy of complementing the footballer
- 35:07and know that he has to put together teams with urgid footballers of his lower
- 35:15divisions and go out to the market to buy only different players of an extraordinary
- 35:23quality, which was the policy made River throughout its entire existence, and we
- 35:29will buy Bernabé Ferreira, a unique player. We went to buy an Endo
- 35:35Francesco also from a prominent player, but the base of the team is always
- 35:43urgent from our lower divisions and it is not possible that the River, to
- 35:47fill basic positions, has to go out to the market pay very expensive for
- 35:54footballers who later in the game, do not repay the expectations that the leaders
- 36:01had in it. You also spoke of the Football Council that this is Francesco
- 36:07i poncio as heads. I mean, you think he' s a worker,
- 36:09too. The football context is Batanial, mainly with directors who accompany him.
- 36:17The Football Council is also part of the small table that tom resolutions in
- 36:22football. This fiendish thing of Carlos, for example, a few days ago
- 36:30a sorcerer was hired. It was news in all media. That was so.
- 36:37Well, you heard yourself. It' s a bunch of lies on
- 36:42the part of the directins. Not good. Sometimes silence validates what is published
- 36:47by the media. I saw who hired the staff, the club secretary,
- 36:53Mr Estefano, Carlos' thing. Then there' s everything to say.
- 37:00The problem is the leaders who are thinking through the wrong prism of football.
- 37:12They are influenced because what is characteristic of this directive committee. They don'
- 37:19t know about football. They don' t argue about football. You don
- 37:22' t talk about football. At the Steering Committee meetings and in general,
- 37:27all the issues dealt with are approved by show of hands without debate. The
- 37:32big rival became a leader who analyzed, debated and reached the best position for
- 37:40the club. That was the river that the old great leaders formed. Today,
- 37:49on the other hand, we have leading leaders who know how to make
- 37:57the sofio pay the economic cost. The sofio pays a very high fee that
- 38:05is adjusted by insflation, which has a shaft in dollars. It' s
- 38:10doubled the club' s dollar fee. Makes you pay for your place in
- 38:14the monumental. A fancy restaurant has been made for you to go eat wealthy
- 38:20people but a guy who wants to have a sandwich at the club or has
- 38:24a cheap price to do so, then we see, like many guys who
- 38:30use it the kiosk that is opposite or that there are many partners. The
- 38:34older women have moved to the large confectionery that is in front of the club.
- 38:38There are some characteristic partners that can win the pruco. On weekends they
- 38:45moved their coffee table to the confectionery that is in front of the club that
- 38:51obviously does not belong to us. But it is a copy shop that has
- 38:57market prices and not the expensive prices that today is existing in luxury places that
- 39:01are installed. He doesn' t have a view of our club and football
- 39:09as something popular, but as something fascinating for an elite. And it'
- 39:16s not what makes the story above river has always followed and football, in
- 39:21particular, a popular sport. They' re closing sports spaces to make parking.
- 39:29You' re going to be suppressed by tennis courts. Now the media
- 39:31doesn' t comment on this to make a new parking lot that, at
- 39:37best, will meet the needs of a thousand partners and each garage sells it
- 39:46at the price of thirty thousand dollars, so if you have more than thirty
- 39:52thousand dollars, you can buy a bowl for years, for ten years,
- 39:58that it is also of good purpose. In addition, it is sold to
- 40:00partner and partner, thus marking the tendency to collect how it followed and not
- 40:08to provide community service to partners. Francisco Lipón' s role wondered as he
- 40:19passed by what is the advisor on how he is appointed as a football manager
- 40:27on time and what opinion he has on the role played and the role they
- 40:31could lend to the future. I' ve been clear. I think it
- 40:37is necessary to change the manager of football, because in are Francesco li who
- 40:46one wants so that makes us bowl as manager of football lets you influence by
- 40:55the councils of entrepreneurs. Guys, this is no benefit to Rios. What
- 41:04is beneficial for the river is to analyze a mir to develop a policy that
- 41:13prioritizes in the inferior ones and from the inferior ones, goes out to the
- 41:20market to sell as little as possible and to buy only the different footballer.
- 41:22It is not possible that every boy who emerges from the lower ones has sold
- 41:28European newspapers gave the news the other day that Franco more tantuono was sold to
- 41:32Real Madrid, the Rivar. This news has not been confirmed, so I
- 41:37can put it in question, but the European media are giving this news and
- 41:45fran how even I act is not a boy of just sixteen years old.
- 41:52The same thing has happened with the devil Cheverry, the same thing has happened
- 41:55with Ento Farnante. The same thing happened with Julian Ara. Let' s
- 42:00imagine that today our first team was made up of all these guys who have
- 42:06sold out in this last time with mel Plan. It would be a totally
- 42:13different team. You think Gallardo' s gonna make it to the river Yeah,
- 42:21well, it' s the illusion he' s got. The illusion
- 42:22is not clear. The illusion of being clapped. We don' t have
- 42:25these bliss upstairs. But I say you think that' s the other thing.
- 42:29I mean from this X- ray Christi, you trace was as you
- 42:32went through you said something like that. Not also that it is good that
- 42:35Gallardo, if it is delayed it is for peace, for changing this lack
- 42:37of a policy in the field of football, It is like that Gallardo will
- 42:43obviously have almost plenipotentiary demands, that can be crystallized. Or how we prevent
- 42:46Bayer himself from avoiding it. What you say is that the influence of entrepreneurs,
- 42:51friends, and so on is cut off some slingshots. Let' s
- 42:57make it clear that in Marcelo Gallardo he is eager to redirect himself. We
- 43:01don' t question this. We know he wants to go back to River,
- 43:07which is his house. He came from a very young age to our
- 43:10club, made his whole career himself, but obviously, when you went a
- 43:16year and a half ago, it was for certain reasons that he could not
- 43:25correct modify at that time and, obviously, now he comes back with the
- 43:29same argument. And he' s right about the argument. It is natural
- 43:31that in the lower ones they are and depend on the general technician, because
- 43:37you have to have a football structure that depends on a single head, because
- 43:45for each division to play in the same way, obviously it is delegated to
- 43:51technicians by division. The structure has to be the same. And Gallardo didn
- 43:54' t control that structure. When it went well, they began to put
- 43:59limits on it, because they began to prioritize the sales of the young,
- 44:04the footballers. Young people were barely showing up to finish the hierarchy. Gallardo
- 44:09pulled a lot of guys out of the lower clothes in first boys who then
- 44:15shone. Some of them are members of the national team and are champions.
- 44:22But if the imposition is to be seen first by the representative and that the
- 44:31silver representative to place them abroad, because the business and a conception that is
- 44:36held is tax collectors, he was going to walk footballers, what I call
- 44:43the policy of fattening the same cattle field, which tries to send quickly to
- 44:53the young to make money. But we' re something different. We have
- 44:58to sell the sports show to Chandi' s soul international television and if in
- 45:04marketing and in that way raise much more money than what you get by sales,
- 45:09If we did a zuma and straight account of everything that river raised with
- 45:15the sale of these footballers and everything that River spent with a search for a
- 45:22replacement. We' ll see what' s zero or red. Even in
- 45:29this account there is no need for a change in football policy and it is
- 45:36optimistic. Let' s say that this can be sank in favor of periods
- 45:38you' re going to despite limiting let' s say these practices that you
- 45:43' re today critical censur. Let' s say because I guess I'
- 45:45m not in the day- to- day, that what your words imply
- 45:49a little bit is if Gallardo comes he' s going to limit this kind
- 45:52of practice, that it doesn' t go on up. This can be
- 45:54achieved by the desire to bring Gallardo, to be new in finding us also
- 45:59by the diligence. You will be able to enable or allow this, that
- 46:04Gallardo arrives with greater power and they between quotation marks losing power. I hope
- 46:08so, it is the desire of everything above, but at this moment I
- 46:14must be flanked. I don' t know who rules upstairs. There are
- 46:17clips there' s a crisis, meat a fight that I' ve been
- 46:24marking for a long time. Among its principal managers is the succession of soft
- 46:30to what is being done. Some are arguing at this time because glib for
- 46:37the new statute cannot be re- elected. Yes, the rest of the
- 46:44board of directors and then, in this dispute, say Jorge Brito, begins
- 46:52to give power, because it cannot be re- elected and lacks penalties for
- 46:55a year and something. The duck ringo is called politicians to describe this situation
- 47:05and the struggle between Pastanian and Stéfano, Cosa and Carlos provokes this kind of
- 47:10situations where one tries to wear the other, so I don' t know
- 47:20how who has the votes within direct conviction to impose your judgment outwards. They
- 47:25vote unanimously, but in the internal discussion there is this discussion, then who
- 47:35will impose it on the directive committee to arrive. It gives me the feeling
- 47:39that the one who has the criterion that Marcelo Gallardo returns, is Jorge Brito
- 47:46of the current President. Yes, but that this has resisted, partly for
- 47:51Patanian and partly for Stéfano, with frigating him, even though they will both
- 47:58deny it, obviously, because they do not want to lose quotas parts of
- 48:02power. Well, there he came. I think once for once, my
- 48:06smart question, because I was told this is the scenario. This is what
- 48:08Gallardo is selling to try to modify this your quo. That' s why
- 48:13it sounded to me my noise made what you were saying and now it clears
- 48:15me up. Well, you think those who play british succession are the ones
- 48:19who would resist talking about patany. Not even the son of Igun is the
- 48:22son of Charles, No, one of the children is yes, no,
- 48:24no, no, he is the son of Jazo, a thing of his
- 48:30which I already forgive. He' s not a famous character. Faranduleros a
- 48:36de hache is water that gained notoriety with the Cola case. Yes, but
- 48:44it is nothing of Titi was to dedicate it, that is to say that
- 48:49he was grandson grandson grandson of Titidi Carlos ah grandson nie cauca, the same
- 48:55of the daughter of titiricarlo ok granddaughter obvious Claudio, Carlos and bad I do
- 49:00not remember the name. Okay, okay, and you say this would be
- 49:04resisted then by these two who are there preparing for succession, running like on
- 49:07their brit side at first, because they would lose this pop power. Basically
- 49:13today it is President Jorge Blito who advocates the return of the Gallardo Sea.
- 49:21I would be willing to compromise that is logical. I mean, more than
- 49:27once you' ll have me. I' ve heard that from the lime
- 49:30line to inside the court should govern the technician and they can' t be
- 49:35given any kind of condition between them. You can' t tell this footballer
- 49:39I sell to raise. When I joined the River Steering Committee, every time
- 49:46you had to sell a footballer or buy one, I always demanded that the
- 49:52technician give his opinion on the matter, because without the leaders making football decisions,
- 50:01after taking the risk that the technician does not take into account the player,
- 50:07because it is not of any degree and the responsibility in the armed and
- 50:14planted football digino is exclusive to the technical director. There, the leaders do
- 50:19not have to participate. You will remember that my five- year management of
- 50:25the River Football Council from one thousand nine hundred and seventy- five to one
- 50:30thousand nine hundred and seventy- nine and had only one technician. Here he
- 50:34was flattered by his support, which was angel the bruna. We autovimos championships
- 50:37after eighteen years of drought and with talented players, but there was always a
- 50:45pre- established distribution of functions to avoid this kind of setbacks. Well,
- 50:54well, let us hope that what we all want will be realized and that,
- 51:00well, in a good way clearly you are a partridge of power of
- 51:04those leaders who have not done you well above us. Also, that this
- 51:08club conception they have that the club is for an elite and only football is
- 51:15negative. It is related to the discussion proposed by the government of sports companies.
- 51:22Those who do not understand the meaning and meaning of sport try to seize
- 51:30their attributes to use them for their own benefit, politicians benefit their political career
- 51:39and entrepreneurs for their own benefit to increase their economic revenues. The funny thing
- 51:49is that all that amateur sports are, the social, recreational and cultural impacts,
- 51:58are going to be lost around here. Many speak of Manchester cityp for
- 52:01example. Now that other sports activities are taking place, Manchester City vo knows
- 52:08no idea. I guess little and nothing, but good good, little and
- 52:13nothing, I mean, we encourage the lucrative activity that is professional football.
- 52:19Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear many of these investors in
- 52:22sports companies invest exclusively in professional activities. So we depend on a sports social
- 52:34club, because the difference that there is is between the amplitude expressed by civil
- 52:39associations, where each one contributes money and effort so that there are spaces for
- 52:46recreation or recreation of containment for the children, because how many children leave the
- 52:53street and do not have a space save to the football clubs and the selfishness
- 53:00proper to a public limited society, the only vocation is to earn money.
- 53:05And they can earn money by winning a championship or losing it to get profits
- 53:12through gambling. They can make money by doing gyms or selling the land to
- 53:20build a shopping mall. It happens with the federal shot. Let us remember
- 53:25that there was an intention to sell the monumental stadium. Consider the strategic location
- 53:30of a club in the city of Buenos Aires. As a sectionist, there
- 53:37are many ways to make maximum money. Now that there are sports betting,
- 53:44then where you bet everything and in a very unusual way. Thank you so
- 53:52much. Like always talking about that, I already gave him material, I
- 53:57passed him through that material for the next time that terial to return a little
- 54:00bit that is done to the legal, but well, we talked about it.
- 54:02Thank you so much. A big hug, Fernando, Daniel Kip,
- 54:07but an emblem of arrival. Here with us we talked much beyond the tultic
- 54:12and gallant question good for him to radiograph a little as he sees the state
- 54:15of the club and said it out there. He doesn' t think the
- 54:19leading actors are looking for a league club and only focused on football. We
- 54:22also talked about saying that with him. It says no, like the field,
- 54:27the issue of selling fattening for in this case good sell young footballers and
- 54:35nothing more. And well the gallant who would also want to handle from the
- 54:39lower ones as he considers this coincides with you. Obviously, there' s
- 54:45a technician in each division or here at the divisional level, but the main
- 54:47one will manage it from the macro. As the technical director of the first
- 54:53good says, we' re going to take a break. After listening to
- 54:58Waime reflecting on interchangeable politics a little bit of figurines, after listening to Daniel
- 55:01Kepper, we go to the pause and we return. We remind you that
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- 55:40in Argentine meat and will find the best tips, tricks and recipes to prepare
- 55:47the best meat in the world and enjoy it with family and friends very well,
- 55:58very well, that we are the continuity of plural construction in the week
- 56:02let me see that I remember them then the judge in principle of Eduardo Fidanza.
- 56:07Tomorrow we' ll be with our North American correspondent, Gustavo Ferrari Wolvenson.
- 56:14We have, obviously, as always, the weekly audios of Don Alejandro
- 56:20Roffman. Not even tomorrow will we also be with Dr Juan José Baresti for
- 56:27in principle and everything goes well in problems we had about last week' s
- 56:30closure. To close the week the agenda grew a little bit, the Louance
- 56:35theme. One puts the great wires of the stages, of the newspapers and
- 56:37the media coverages and is all centered for these hours in Venezuela and not much
- 56:45more. Not really good at the ability to see them. Other newspapers,
- 56:49for example, we publish a little similar old gallards, Arca River and the
- 56:52leader Gremigal Beliboni that must be criticized, that this be confirmed. This is
- 56:57how poverty managers have worked, and the government is going to get a lot
- 57:00out of this. But that' s the case, and there' s
- 57:07no other way to censor this. The quiet markets, as you said at
- 57:10the beginning, the Blue is going down a lot by a thousand three hundred
- 57:13and eighty- five. Behind him the numbered, as usual, counted with
- 57:15Leake, the mer almost like two thousand two seventy- six, one thousand
- 57:17two seventy- five, the rocky country, rising a little by one thousand
- 57:21five hundred sixty. The risk of almost one thousand six hundred and three thousand
- 57:24one hundred and sixty quellos could not be reduced, points to which he had
- 57:30come he saw criticism. I spoke out about this. There are some videos
- 57:32I publish almost daily when I have time on Instagram about the opening of the
- 57:37Olympic Games. A marvel of beautiful Paris art that one is lucky enough to
- 57:40know the arts. Not pure art. Live diversity, live humanism, live
- 57:45sensitivity. Long live France in that sense against many fachas that affect them all,
- 57:51from the religious to the diverse the sexual. Well, there they enjoy
- 57:59it as too long, obviously, but well something. It was necessary to
- 58:00change, in fact, some norm of the Olympic Committee to be able to
- 58:04do so, not in a closed stadium, but nothing less than with the
- 58:08beauty of the egalitarian scene, the Tower iffel Rio c Natorio Feli and others
- 58:15there are as starring protagonists of the opening of the Olympics in Paris and all
- 58:20the reaction of the right that is generating a little bit and I am already
- 58:21saying goodbye. We have seen a lot of racism, not a lot of
- 58:25people' s opium religion, a lot of reactions. This good one burned
- 58:30the ultra- high right against diversity and in favor of xenophobia, against this
- 58:35Paris two thousand twenty- four and its insurmountable departure. I was told by
- 58:39someone, the new tors burned, those who believe, that it is the
- 58:45judges who can say all this in search of a healthy tolerance. We leave,
- 58:49we meet again, as I tell you here tomorrow, at 4 p
- 58:52m, in plural construction. Thank you as always Silvia for production, Thank
- 58:57you Juan for the pest in the air, much more goes and goes i
- 59:00or it will be until tomorrow Wednesday