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Which crazy straw pipeline reigns supreme? Part 2 | Maintaining Frame 114 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. I'll be your host, Alison,
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  Speaker 1: and with me is the indomitable Brian. Apologies for the
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  Speaker 1: late start we had obs I had.
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  Speaker 2: I had to restart my computer.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, you know what, no big deal, artists, We're
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  Speaker 1: on artists time. So this is once again returning to
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  Speaker 1: Which Crazy Straw Pipeline Reign Supreme Part two, containing frame
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  Speaker 1: number one fourteen, in which we go over the next Alexander.
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  Speaker 1: I believe the name is her name, and she is
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  Speaker 1: proposing a feminist to far right pipeline. But I'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: that that is just clickbait and doesn't it isn't actually
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  Speaker 1: a in depth analysis of how feminism and the far
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  Speaker 1: right might have sympathies. Oh no, I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 2: Is it? Is it?
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  Speaker 1: Clickit?
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  Speaker 2: You how you can start off? Well, I have watched
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  Speaker 2: it unfortunately made. It is essentially how if you if
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  Speaker 2: you have the gall too, essentially like if you have
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  Speaker 2: the gall to be critical, I guess of you know
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  Speaker 2: the whole like trans agenda. If you are a feminist
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  Speaker 2: and you did that, then you are obviously now a
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  Speaker 2: far right Nazi, because ultimately this is an attack on
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  Speaker 2: Nazis and it's you and well on not Nazis, on
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  Speaker 2: people who are critical of or I don't appreciate the
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  Speaker 2: trans agenda or the trans position or the trans existence
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  Speaker 2: or whatever the gay race Marxist language is today. And essentially,
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  Speaker 2: if you're a feminist, like say at JK. Rowling, you
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  Speaker 2: have become far right now because you don't agree with
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  Speaker 2: their views. And of course when they label you far right,
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  Speaker 2: that means we're evil incarnate and should probably be cleansed
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  Speaker 2: from the earth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you know, yeah, I mean, speaking of being
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  Speaker 1: cleansed from the earth, it looks like the vertical stream
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, it should be fine. It should be fine. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Yeah, you're a little behind. I think you're
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  Speaker 2: a little behind.
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  Speaker 1: All right, No, it's just me. I'm the one. I'm
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  Speaker 1: is also a request, it's a request by the great
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  Speaker 1: Indoors and uh he He did preface this by saying
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  Speaker 1: that it's it's insane, peak insanity perhaps, or are we
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  Speaker 1: at peak insanity? What do you think, Brian? Is there wrong?
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  Speaker 2: I think no, I think we can go. I think
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  Speaker 2: we have deeper Wow. Oh for sure, you're getting a
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  Speaker 2: phone call. Yeah, I know, And I'm ignoring somebody's popular.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. I did. Yeah, I'm going to ignore that,
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  Speaker 1: ignore it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to voicemail. Go to the voicemail.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably Google telling me.
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  Speaker 2: To I hope, Oh okay, I hope it's not some
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  Speaker 2: like you know, warning that there's like a nuke in
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  Speaker 2: bound for Kelvington. No, no, no, no. Does that seem
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  Speaker 2: a little unfeasible? Yeah, well, I mean more feasonable than
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  Speaker 2: I and who decides to annihilate his entire family. It's
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  Speaker 2: probably not nearly as feasible as that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean there we do have a munitions dump
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  Speaker 1: up here in in Saskatchewan above above North North Dakota.
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  Speaker 1: So there's something going on up here because because there's
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  Speaker 1: they put it here, because there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things to threaten I suppose. But yeah, so we do
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  Speaker 1: have that, so maybe maybe maybe they could be in
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  Speaker 1: a nuke inbound to that, we're not completely and plus
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  Speaker 1: we also have lots of uranium too, so could just
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  Speaker 1: be like a dirty bomb in a uranium mine blow
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  Speaker 1: up a prairie. I guess that's not really strategic, is it? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, let's get let's get on with the with
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  Speaker 1: the actual topic. Let's yeah, let's see what Lily and
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  Speaker 1: Alexander has to tell us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're gonna be looking at this video by
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  Speaker 2: Lily Alexandra called the feminists are far right hype line.
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  Speaker 2: Now I meant to like look into this. I think
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  Speaker 2: we responded, perhaps or almost responded to a video by
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  Speaker 2: Lily Alexander before, and all I will say for sure
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  Speaker 2: is that Lily Alexandra is a intersectional feminist. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure so she she considered. I'm gonna go with she
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  Speaker 2: because it does look like a woman. They call themselves trans.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit confusing because before you go too.
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  Speaker 1: Far in, it's still stuck on me on the vertical.
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  Speaker 1: I think I.
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  Speaker 2: Haven't switched it to the source yet. That's why. Let
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  Speaker 2: me Yeah, the source is up on the screen. Now, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I think what you mean, but you want it to
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  Speaker 2: be on me when I'm talking.
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  Speaker 1: Cut you out and put you in your own little
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  Speaker 1: short Then you're just looking at me, pondering like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: staring off into the distance, thinking, thinking very deeply about
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying, of course, but.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well anyway, okay, so let me describe this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So Lily Alexander, intersectional feminist, made a video. So as
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  Speaker 2: an intersectional feminist who I think is more on the
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  Speaker 2: trans side of things, she hates patriarchy, capitalism, people with families, normalcy,
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  Speaker 2: and anything that is like out that is no longer
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  Speaker 2: considered a part of the fringe, which she wants to
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  Speaker 2: make into the new normal. So this is the feminist
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  Speaker 2: to far right pipeline, because anyone who doesn't agree with
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  Speaker 2: me is either far right or on their way to
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  Speaker 2: being far right. And of course I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: define what far right is because that would mean I
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  Speaker 2: would have to humanize the people that I'm lumping into
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  Speaker 2: that particular bin.
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  Speaker 1: So well, it makes the accusation less effective. It just
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  Speaker 1: says people who disagree with me. If you actually define it,
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  Speaker 1: then you could be talking about specific people, and you'd
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  Speaker 1: have to actually prove the accusation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's asking too much. It's not even fair,
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  Speaker 2: all right. So I guess we'll play a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of the intro part to just get us started. So
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  Speaker 2: here we go.
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  Speaker 3: So here's a question. Why do people like this keep
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  Speaker 3: showing up at women's rights rallies?
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  Speaker 1: Several men belonging to the neo Nazi group were seen
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  Speaker 1: dressed in black and performing a Nazi salute.
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  Speaker 4: Anyone who doesn't hug left wing ideology as classed as
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  Speaker 4: a neo Nazi by lefties extreme views on both sides.
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  Speaker 3: The most violent mobs are the woke ones. All you
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  Speaker 3: have to do is say something true, like there are
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  Speaker 3: only true genders, and they attack in a mob, And
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  Speaker 3: how stupid do they think we are? The past few
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  Speaker 3: years have seen the radical right collaborating with radical feminists
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  Speaker 3: on a totally unprecedented scale, to the point that in
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  Speaker 3: certain cases the two movements are totally impossible to tell apart.
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  Speaker 3: This is not a new observation, lots of people have
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  Speaker 3: made it, but it's on my mind a lot lately
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  Speaker 3: because it's at my house now.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, female sports, female change rooms, female bathrooms should be
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  Speaker 1: for females, not for biological amounts.
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  Speaker 3: The leader of Canada's concerned.
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  Speaker 2: So we have Pierre Poliev. He is obviously the poster
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  Speaker 2: boy of the far right, radical, neo Nazi, anti trans,
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  Speaker 2: anti human, anti progressive agenda. So she's eventually creating the framework. Now, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so the framework is Pierre Poliev because she's Canadian, is
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  Speaker 2: the example, the poster boy of essentially everything that the
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  Speaker 2: progressives hate. Like he's a man, he's probably heterosexual. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I haven't seen. I mean, like even too
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  Speaker 2: for my in my opinion, you can say what you
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  Speaker 2: won't want after this house and but or even to
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  Speaker 2: have to explain that someone like him is not at
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  Speaker 2: all radical. Just having to say that is like giving
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  Speaker 2: up ground to these people, in my opinion, just to say, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I've seen him in interviews and he just says he
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  Speaker 2: just wants common sense and he opposes justin Trudeau like that,
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  Speaker 2: just that I shouldn't even have to make that case.
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't. But this is where we are now. This
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  Speaker 2: is where we are now. This is considered super crazy
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  Speaker 2: radical whatever, and he's going to be for the case
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  Speaker 2: for why all of the feminists that are critical of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, trans ideology, are just like him. They're going right,
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  Speaker 2: they're they're the same, and of course there will be
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  Speaker 2: other comparisons. So this is like one of the of
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  Speaker 2: the theses, theses that this individual Lily Alexander is making.
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  Speaker 2: And I will add Lily Alexander as as she because
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what they're going for and that's what
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  Speaker 2: it looks like to me, So I'll just go with that. Alison,
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  Speaker 2: you're muted. Why are you muted? Did you hit a button? Nope?
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  Speaker 2: Can't hear you. Why can't I hear you? You have
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  Speaker 2: done something? What have you done? Nope? Nope, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: do it. Uh man man Man says, hope you don't
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  Speaker 2: mind me lurking while making some to zeke m. I
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  Speaker 2: love that. On Euros, mister O three oh three says
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  Speaker 2: pray for Brian. I mean, like, honestly, I feel bad
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  Speaker 2: for these people. I really do. I think they're going
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  Speaker 2: to have miserable lives. I think Lily Alexander and Manifestel
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  Speaker 2: are kind of doomed because of the They're living in
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  Speaker 2: a crazy upside down world in their mind, and they're
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  Speaker 2: not able to like you know, connect with real people.
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  Speaker 2: They're terminally online individuals. So I'm going to play some
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  Speaker 2: more of the video. Allison's audio still isn't working, but
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  Speaker 2: essentially this is like her first So she's sitting the stage.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a Canadian trans person and there's this guy and
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  Speaker 2: he's growing in popularity despite all of the problems happening
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  Speaker 2: in Canada. The reason, the multitude of things people might
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  Speaker 2: be inclined to vote for that are not about her,
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  Speaker 2: and she's troubled because that guy made a statement about bathrooms.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even think, like honestly that I don't think
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  Speaker 2: he's running on that as a platform. I think that
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  Speaker 2: somebody asks him about it, he answered them. I'm pretty
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  Speaker 2: sure that Canada's problems are not like, you know, men
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  Speaker 2: and women's bathrooms not high on the list. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it is. But I think that it's like a
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  Speaker 2: it's like a political football that gets passed around. But
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  Speaker 2: for Lily Alexander, it's extremely important because she wants complete compliance. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's not working house, so you got to fix that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. I didn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: How do that take the blame a microphone?
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  Speaker 1: But I know, nobody doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: It was me. I did something.
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  Speaker 1: I hit something, and I have no idea why this
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: thing doesn't want to work anymore, like like and now
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  Speaker 1: it's just like doing this thing where it just bubbles
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  Speaker 1: these lights.
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  Speaker 2: What was that? I don't know was that you?
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  Speaker 1: It was?
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  Speaker 2: What bubbles? What's that? I don't know what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Like really like it's possessed, Like why is this?
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  Speaker 2: We can hear you now, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I know you can hear me because you can hear
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  Speaker 1: me through the Macintosh phone microphone. But my sure microphone
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  Speaker 1: has just decided to.
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  Speaker 2: Not work.
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  Speaker 1: And I have no idea why, Like I can't. I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at it right here. I'm like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Like it seems to be working. The light green lights
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  Speaker 1: are going on. Hello, yeah see it is registering my voice.
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  Speaker 1: But as soon as I try to, like, for example,
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  Speaker 1: if I put it back on, like.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me switch it on my end, because I
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  Speaker 2: can switch it on my end. Yes hear me, you
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  Speaker 2: can hear me.
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  Speaker 1: What happened?
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  Speaker 2: What happened? I don't know. I just don't do Okay,
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  Speaker 2: well we gotta figure it out. Just don't yeah, don't
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  Speaker 2: do anything.
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  Speaker 1: We'll touch it okay, yeah, it seems.
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  Speaker 2: To be working now. So anyway, did you want to
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  Speaker 2: say anything about this first little bit? The stage is
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  Speaker 2: the framing is being set up.
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  Speaker 1: I'm terrified of my microphone. I don't want to touch it,
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  Speaker 1: as it might do something good done. Is it like
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  Speaker 1: like maybe like some saying listening device in it or something?
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  Speaker 1: I know that sounds really paranoid. All right, what probably
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  Speaker 1: it's paranoid or probably there's a listening device in it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, probably there is a listening device.
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  Speaker 1: Just listen like the like the the FBI, the Department
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  Speaker 1: of Homeland Security just can't listen to our actual podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Listening.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you know, they can just listen to our podcast,
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  Speaker 1: they have to also listen to me give talk to
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  Speaker 1: my dog in a high pitched baby voice. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 1: the only thing that I really do as is just
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  Speaker 1: can't talk to the dog talk to my husband about gardening.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, so paul A pair Poliev, Yeah, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: he's just normal, Like he's just like I am, the
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  Speaker 1: normal platform. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, I think he's just running
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  Speaker 2: on that platform. I'm here to restore like sanity, and
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  Speaker 2: they're oh my God, no, he's going to put us
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  Speaker 2: in the showers and gas chambers. I guess I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that. I'm assuming that's the only place where we
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  Speaker 2: can go.
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  Speaker 1: Even immigrants, recent immigrants are are actually looking at the
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  Speaker 1: immigration policy of Canada and saying, you guys need to
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  Speaker 1: stop because if you think about it, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: come on, they come aboard, right, and it's like coming
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  Speaker 1: aboard a ship, and the Canadian's immigration policy is just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's throw open the doors. Don't let's not care about
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  Speaker 1: what the carrying capacity of the ship is. Let's just
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  Speaker 1: ram it cheek to jowl until we all sink. And
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  Speaker 1: even immigrants recently, immigrants from like ten years ago, are like,
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing? They call it the shitty buffet?
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  Speaker 1: All right, so let's what else? Shall we listen?
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  Speaker 2: Well again, though, yeah, we'll listen to some more. But
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  Speaker 2: the point is, though, is that for Lily Alexander, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's important to point this out. The person making
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  Speaker 2: this video essay, she's not commenting at all on Pierre
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  Speaker 2: Poliev's positions on things that probably most Canadians are interested
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  Speaker 2: in that's like high on their list of priorities, things
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  Speaker 2: like immigration, things like the economy, things like the cost
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  Speaker 2: of homes. I understand that homes are getting ridiculously expensive
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: up there, kind of like what's happening in the UK
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  Speaker 2: right now, and that all a lot of that does
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  Speaker 2: have to do with immigration, and so that's the thing
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  Speaker 2: that they care about. They just want sanity restored. They
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  Speaker 2: just want like Canada to be to remain somewhat Canadian.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, like the stuff with trans issues, that's
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  Speaker 2: not that's not on anyone's you know list. It's just
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  Speaker 2: that the media, because they're always looking for things to like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, get people talking. They will ask him questions
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  Speaker 2: about this in on you know, like they'll do this
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  Speaker 2: with like Trump and Jadie Vance too and whoever, and
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  Speaker 2: they'll bring up these like fringe issues and say address this,
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  Speaker 2: and then they'll address it in a way that they
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  Speaker 2: think is common sense, Like you know, he's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I think that men should be in men's bathrooms and
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  Speaker 2: women should be in women's bathrooms. And this becomes like
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  Speaker 2: the primary issue for transactivists. So like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: he's not he's not bowing the need to us. And
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  Speaker 2: this is why there is so little sympathy for these
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  Speaker 2: issues because not only are they not important, because most
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  Speaker 2: people are not going to be affected by this, and
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  Speaker 2: even most trans people aren't going to be affected by
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  Speaker 2: this because most of them just kind of like figure
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  Speaker 2: out a way to like live their life, like they're
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  Speaker 2: not being persecuted. They're not they're not activists like I'm here,
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  Speaker 2: you know, demanding that small businesses create bathrooms just for them,
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  Speaker 2: which would like, you know, crash them, despite the fact
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  Speaker 2: that the economy itself is already in dire straits. Most
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  Speaker 2: people just are just trying to get out of their lives.
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  Speaker 2: So Lily Alexander is making a mountain out of a
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  Speaker 2: mole hill. And I don't think Pierre Polyev feels super
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  Speaker 2: strong about it anyway. He's probably just like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think I think that, you know, we want to like
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  Speaker 2: make this country livable for the average Canadian and that's
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  Speaker 2: my goal, right, just common sense stuff. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she's framing it this way because she wants it to
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  Speaker 2: be not about any of the other policies that he's
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  Speaker 2: running on or why people might be interested in voting
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  Speaker 2: for him, whatever it is, but rather about this one issue,
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  Speaker 2: which is it's just not on the front of people's minds.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, all right, let's uh play some more.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Thing for years. This guy's probably going to be our
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: next prime minister. And to make matters worse, the conservative
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: premiere of my province recently convened a panel to shape
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: policy on gender identity in schools. Whatever that means. None
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: of the panelist trans and the leader is associated.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: With what did you leave Alison your camera? Oh it
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: seems like your camera disappear at Alison, what's wrong now?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Senior sticks gave us a super chat. I'm gonna take
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: advantage of these technical difficulties and gave us a super
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: chat for two dollars and says, if Canada can't be
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: with Canada, can it be the USS? Canada can't be
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: with Canada? Well, I think Canada I'd be willing to
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: let the US conquer like Alberta and Saskatchewan and just
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: absorb it and then like Quebec and all those other places,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: they can they can keep that. Just let's just get
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Saskatchewan and cowguard Alberta because they got the oil, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: then we'll see. But I'd like that. I think I
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: think Trump should buy yeah for the oil and the uranium.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: There you go, all right, you're back, your camera's back, yes,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: so all right. So anyway, so she says this like
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: again setting the stage. So weirdly enough, she says, none
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: of the one of none of the MP's are trans. Well,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: what are the odds of that? So, I mean, it's
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: kind of a weird thing to expect. Well, they it's
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: you know what it is, you know what it is.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe you can speak to this because I know that
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the trans thing can be a little bit touchy. But
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: it's the same as when a feminist says there are
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: no women in space X, therefore space X must be
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: hostile towards women because there are no women there. Did
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: you hear did you hear this new thing? This new
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: thing I'm gonna talk about the new show too, are
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: called manals. You know what a manal is in the
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: STEM fields, Okay, mannals is what activists in STEM are
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: calling panels. Like if there's a panel at a convention
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: or at a talk or at a presentation for we're
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: talking like hard science. Okay, if there's a panel of
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the best minds on a specific STEMS subject and they're
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: all men, they call it a manal. And there are
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: there are people in the industry of STEM and the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: academic space and all of that that are like, I
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: will not participate in manals because there are no women involved,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: because the obviously the panel does not consider women or
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: as hostile to women because there are no women on it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Tell yeah, this is well, that's what you were. What
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: happens when you promote a narrative that society oppresses women
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: obviously everywhere where women aren't is a result of uh, well,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: some kind of illegitimate force that's working in the background
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: that we have to break down. Unfortunately, if that illegitimate
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: force that's working down in the background is merit, then
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: we got to break down merit. So anything that requires
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: merit in society is on the chopping block. Friends, this
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: is this is not a productive philosophy.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, good luck all.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: All right? So yeah, that's what I think. Yeah, I
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: deserve to be honest. I thunked that it was a
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: good funk.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: All right, So let's we're just she's sitting the stage.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So there's this is the framing. I'm trying to be like,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: this is a long video, and a lot of it
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: is like her saying, oh, let me show you how
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: funny and quirky and you know, OMG random, I am.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of like garbage. It's like most
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: of the whole video is garbage. Let's just be real.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to jump ahead to where she explains
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the tactics used by trans well basically the far right,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: trans exclusionary, turf Nazi conservative. No, it's feminists, but because
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: they are being courted by the far right, which again
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: no one defines except as like the bad thing, just
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the bad thing. It's the bad thing, and she's not
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the bad thing. She is the good thing. So anyway,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: let's let's let's play the thing, okay for them.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I hope you're ready, folks, because just like visitors to
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Surreal exhibit, the time has come to get in the pipeline.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: So, anti transfeminism originated in the nineteen seventies among radical
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: feminists like Mary Dailey and Janie Raymond, author of the
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: famous book The Transsexual Empire. I'm not going to give
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: an exhaustive history here because lots of people have done
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: that already, but the important thing to understand is that
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: radical feminists were a pretty coherent and focused movement at
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: the time. They were all united by being strongly anti
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: gender and opposing anything they thought naturalized the connection between
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: biology and destiny. Anti gender doesn't.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it's I'm glad that she's explicitly saying this so
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: conservatives can realize this. This came from feminism. Yes, this
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: entire gender ideology came from feminism, and it came from
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the necessity of seeing women's role in the past, not
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: an expression of biology and their biological limitations, or even
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: expression of how men's biological limitations interact with women's biological No,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: it was a result of oppression, and that narrative basically
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: was the silver key that granted feminists access to all
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: kinds of money, all kinds of funds I want money, funds,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: all kinds of clout, all kinds of social control. And
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: now we're seeing the end result of that narrative, which
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: is the deconstruction of the very concept of the sexes,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: which of course some feminists are opposing because it was
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: only ever supposed to benefit biological women. This entire narrative,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: that oppression is simply an arbitrary social thing. Like if
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you read throughout human history and you actually read what
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: men and women did to get us to this point,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: it becomes patently obvious that what restricted women was their
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: biology limitations, specifically the limitations of pregnancy, lactation, early childbearing. Okay,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: if you got rid of all of the social conventions
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: around women's limitations, like legally or socially, which you know,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: legally laws. We look in the past and we think
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that every culture was a centralized bureaucracy like our own,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: governed by laws, and the majority of our interaction with
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: each other, or a good portion of our interaction with
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: each other, involves the law. This wasn't the case. You
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: go back enough centuries and you don't even see the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: law having much to do with every day to day
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: every day it's existence at all, like it, It's minimal.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And what really mattered were the local social conventions, the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: customs which were established by the teachings of women in
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: early childhood. All right, So that's what people were ruled by. Okay. Occasionally,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: if they had like a boundary dispute or a dispute
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: over land rights, or maybe somebody's daughter ran away with
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: somebody's son, they might involve the law. But other than that,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: or actually, what it was is usually a gathering of
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: local communities and something like a thing right, and they
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: would make these decisions. But otherwise, the day to day
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: running of society was by customs and habits that many
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of which were instilled by women, so they had that power,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and they completely ignore that. And what happens is when
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you look at history and you look at the situation
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: of women, you see that it's not men who are
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: stopping women from being merchant marines and sailors and soldiers
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and knights carrying one hundred pounds worth of armor, or
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: even being able to handle like a really like a
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: big ox team or one thing was like the five
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: like the six horse stages like it was very difficult
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: for women to handle those because they just didn't have
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the physical strength. That wasn't what stopped women from being
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: in those professions. What stopped women from being in those
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: professions was physical strength and also perception of expendability. People
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: didn't want to send their princesses out on merchant expeditions
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that could be beset upon by bandits and then have,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you know, either have to pay a gigantic ransom or
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: just lose their daughters. Didn't want that because they were
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: defined by protecting. Many in these cultures will almost every
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: culture is defined by protecting and providing for women. So
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: my overall point is that you get rid of all
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the so called male favoring laws and customs, you would
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: see that nothing changes because they are pulling a social veil.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: They are over biological reality, and what they're actually doing
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: is making it custom for men to take responsibility for
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: women's limitations. So when men say when it says, well,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: women can are restricted from doing this legally, first of all,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: they're restricted from doing it legally, probably to protect them,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: but second of all, that means their male relatives are
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: obligated to do it for them. So all of these
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: limitations represented. All of these limitations represented actual physical limitations
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: that they weren't going anywhere even if the law didn't exist.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: The only difference is the law made it men's responsibility
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: to accommodate women, okay, because men felt that that was
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: something that they wanted to enforce on other men. That's
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the other thing. Like law was just men coming together.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: If you go back far enough, it was men coming
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: together and saying, hey, what things do we need to
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: enforce on each other? Didn't even have much to do
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: with women because they weren't enforcing it, and often they
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: won't didn't have it forced on them.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm just well, the law was just like
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: a it was based in a moral framework so that
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: people so that we could like essentially operate, you know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: cooperatively and at least without too much disruption from people
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: who might see to do harm or you know, take
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: your property or whatever. So it was basically a controlling
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: force of safety and probably was in a way taking
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: women and children in particular into consideration. Like, you know,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: what's the oldest law that we know of. I think
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: there was, like I think there was some old like
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Babylonian king or something that he had the law like
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: written on a like a some big tablet. I mean.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Other than that, there's ten commandments. Yeah, Hamarabi. That's what
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I was thinking of, Hamarabi or the ten Commandments or whatever.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: But these are like what when you look at logic
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: behind the laws, it's like, oh, this is essentially to
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: maintain some social order and you know, to enforce consequences
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: on people who disobey. And yeah, but I mean like
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: ultimately the purpose of that is to protect women and
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: family so that the species can continue. So anyway, all right,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: let's get best. So she's gonna Yeah, she goes into
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit of the history of feminism's relationship to
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: gender critical theory. So let's take a look at more.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: I think trans people are real, Yeah, pretty sure. And
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I also think traditional ideas about gender exist to keep
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: women down these things.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: Are you?
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: So yeah?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, traditional oka trands are real. And then traditional notions
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: of gender keep women down. No, absolutely one. Not right now,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: we still talk about how patriarchy is keeping women down
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: even as we talk about how women are struggling with
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: a work life balance because men's work is not compatible
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: with this early childhood rearing, lactation, pregnancy, lactation in early
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: childhood rearing. That isn't discrimination against women. If anything, it's
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: discrimination against men. They don't get to take part in
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: their children's lives.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Right But Allison, if gender doesn't exist, then that means
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: that women's child rearing and breastfeeding and pregnancy, that's all.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying this to be funny, like I
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: think this is what these people really believe. Like that
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: that means that none of those things are inherently female qualities. Therefore,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: if you are saying they are, you are keeping women
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: down because you're telling them that they're biologically limited, and
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: the trans theory stuff says essentially that all of this
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: is socially constructed and it can be changed, and they
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: will use science to do it. They will make they'll
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: take the exceptions like people who are intersects or have
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: you know, different chromosomes or whatever as an excuse for it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: But ultimately it's also that they can land in the
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: same space, which is women are pressed and it's men's fault,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: and that even includes trans women.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, she wants to have her cake and eat it too, right,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: she wants Well, I guess she doesn't want to have
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: her a cake and eat it too, because she's falling
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: on at least the least hypocritical side of this, it's
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the TERFs who want to profess that women's roles throughout
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: history were not a result of biology but a result
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: of male oppression, which is nonsense. They're nothing. Like you
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: strip all of the laws out, the supposedly oppressive laws
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: towards women, nothing changes, because literally it is the process
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: of getting pregnant, giving birth, lactating, taking care of young
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: children that limited women's mobility, like and also the fact
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that they're physically primed for doing that, not you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: throwing throwing sticks and killing. Will to beast right, their
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: physical limitations between and their physical pro like men and
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: women are not physically the same. I mean, we're still
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: like fairly similar, so we're probably not a yes, you know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: it's why we can form families and communities and men
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: and women sleep in the same bed. This is like
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: for most animals, they would they would never do something
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like that. There isn't enough to patico between the male
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: and the female. But we are fairly sometimes it doesn't
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: feel like it. But one of the reasons why we're
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: here as a human race is because men and women
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: get along really well and can share a space, and
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: can share a language, and can share food and all
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: kinds of things and a culture and the raising children.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: That's why we're here, because we get along. I mean,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: this is a blip in our evolutionary time scale. I mean,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: even from agriculture to this point is a blip. It's
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: a tiny minuscule fragment of our nature, you know, and
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: it's a very dysfunctional one. And because I know that,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I know it's ridiculous to assert that a species one
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: of Whom's primary characteristics, primary thing that it evolved to
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: make it to give it a survival advantage is the
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: relationship between the male and female of the species. The
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: positive relationship between the male and the female. Species is
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: not going to be a species in which the male
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: oppresses the female. That's ridiculous. And again, the biological limitations
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: that women exist under explain that what they were doing
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: throughout human history. You take away take away essentially you
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: remember that that Monty Python skit with Loretta and Loretta
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: have the Right to have babies. If you guys don't know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Loretta was a trans woman in the Monty Python.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was a gag. They did a scat a
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: skit thing that It had a bit where you had
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: these men and they were sitting on like a bench
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: or something and one of them said, I think I'd
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: like to be a woman, and I want you all
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: to call me Loretta. And this was like what the seventies.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was made in the seventies about the It
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't exactly got Life of Brian. It was Life of Brian.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: So it was sort of a parody, not really an
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: like a one to one parody of the Life of Christ,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: but just a parody of the times. And so Loretta said,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I want you to call me a woman, and then
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: she went on to say I want to be able
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: to have babies. And the other men were like, what
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? Where are you going to put it?
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Are you going to ges state it in a box?
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And the woman who was part of the group because
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: they were a radical revolutionary front, said well, we know
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: that Loretta can't have babies, but we could fight for
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: the right for her to have babies. If you went
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: back to those times where women had these limitations and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: you said to the men, hey, what if you give
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: women the right to sail ships? That would be the
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: same idea. You are giving them the right to do
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: something they cannot do physically, right, they just can't do it,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: or very few of them can do it, Okay, Yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: and it's it, and that that would be have been
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: the response. Like, but the fact is that the legal
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the fact that men women were so called legally restricted
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: from things they couldn't do, period, meant that men were
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: obligated to do them and they did right. So I
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: mean it's like, for example, I don't think it was Milan,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: it was another one, the one that had to deal
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: with the crazy, the crazy preacher that almost brought them
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: to their doom.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I'll have the hunchback.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: No, No, I think it was Florence.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about? What are you talking about specifically?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Like I'm talking well, I talked about this story before
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: there was a the Renaissance, there was a uh Savarola Savarola. Yeah,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: it was Florence, all right. So this he was a preacher,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: sort of a Friar and Brimstone preacher who reached the
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: end of the world and abding, you know, like giving
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: up all of your all of your temptations and your indulgences.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: And he got into Florence and he managed to get
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: into power because everyone thought he was very cool. I
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: don't know, well, I else to describe it. And he
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: started to bring about armageddon, like and then there were
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the French coming through and it's He's like, no, we
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: were this is what we want. We want the destruction
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: of Florence, because that is the it is the destruction
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: of like Sodom and Gomorro. That's a good thing. We're
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: all going to go up to heaven when we die
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: of starvation and plague and the inhabitants of Florence eventually
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: were like, huh, yeah, but we we liked you, but
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: we didn't We were interested in what you had to
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: say about armageddon, but we you know, I don't know
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: if we really want it, you know what I mean?
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: But what But what triggered it was they got so
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: desperate with food that they started to have these breadlines
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: or these these hand out these bread and there were
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: two women who were so desperate that one ended up
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: killing the other, and that was like a shock, and
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: they were like, no, this has got to stop. It
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: was the act of a woman killing another woman over
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: bread that made them realize that they had to kick
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: out Savola, or at least his policies. And then and
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the whole like social attitude in Florence was this idea
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: that men protect and provide for women. So, for example,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: a father would put aside a certain amount of money
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: when his daughter came of age that would function as
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: sort of like a trust for her, a that she
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: could eventually retire on. And this was this was a
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: big part of their their like financial expectations, and Savarola
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: made it so that this became something that they started
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: realizing they weren't gonna be able to do and these things.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: This fact that the city, the men of the city
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: realized that they weren't going to be able to feed
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: and provide for their women, made them do an about
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: flip on the issue of Savarola. But my point is
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: that in Florence it was a very so called patriarchal
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: system where women were restricted. They were restricted from public life. However,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: when you look at the actual on the ground situation
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: for women, there was a lot more expectation of providership.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: So a woman, a young girl, when she came of age,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: could be expected to inherit the equivalent of a small factory,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: because that's what a home was at the time. It
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: was a factory producing goods. And she would be installed
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: as the CEO when she got married, and when she
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: retired from that role, she would be expected to have
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: a pension, all provided for by the expectation of a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: financial provision by her male family members. So, despite the
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: fact that this society was so so awful and patriarchal
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and in feminist terms, they went out of their way
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to make sure women lived as much of a life
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: of comfort as possible. Comfort, security, and provision as possible, right,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. The more women seem to
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: be restricted in these societies, the more was put on
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: men to protect and provide for them. So the societies
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: where they are more loose about this, you got to
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: see a lot more female poverty, female failure because men
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: weren't as this wasn't as enforced on men to protect
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: and provide for women. So for example, we talk about
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: today women no longer can legally expect a man, their husband,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: or their father, or their brother or their sons to
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: pay their debts because that's been done away with. So
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you can find women who have, you know, who are
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: swamped with debt and have no way of paying it.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: You have to declare bankruptcy. You can find stuff like that.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Now that would that would you know, if you've brought
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: people from the past to hear and saw how women
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: are now expected to provide and protect for themselves and
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: men don't do that anymore, they would say we hate
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: our women, you know. And and this is something that
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't go into the feminist parlance. And to bring it
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: back to the biological thing, the people of Florence were
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: just recognizing biology. Biology. They were literally constructing a life
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: path for women that when they were old they would
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: be provided for. When they were young, they would have
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: meaningful employment and be a leader of a small industrious space.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: And at every step of the way, men were expected
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: to take on the burden of providing that for women.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: And it's not like women didn't do their share either.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I mean they were working in the home, and the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: home was a unit of production. I mean, throughout most
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: of human history, most goods came from the home.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: If people were trading something, a woman probably made it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: That's a huge amount of influence. Like women were the
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: economy in a lot of cases, like to a degree.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: And this is completely rendered invisible by and all it
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: was was a agreement between men and women to help,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: you know, to create a situation where women can follow
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: their biological imperative to have children, you know, and still
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: be productive and protected by men, you know. And there
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: was nothing sinister about it. That's what's so annoying about feminists.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Everything has to be paranoid and sinister. But of course,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: because it has to be paranoid and sinister, we can't
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: recognize the effect of biology, because otherwise they wouldn't have
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: this bludgeon of men oppressed women as a silver key
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: to get into any space they want and control it
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: as well as open up the coffers of government and business.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, if we didn't if they didn't have that,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: then they wouldn't have that power. So they have to
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: cling to this idea that everything is a result. Like
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: men literally constructed a society to oppress women, Like they
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: went out of their way, you know, times of scarce
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: resources when everyone was scraping by and starvation could mean
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: you know, a pail of grain could mean the difference
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: between starvation and getting through the winter. Men were plotting
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and using resources to oppress women. No, but regardless, they
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: need to cling to this idea that it is something
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: social not something biological, that the effects the situation of
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: women in the past weren't ninety five, like one hundred
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: percent determined by biological limitations, all right, So they had
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: to destroy gender and then we got I.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Was gonna say, like, what is the ultimate liberation? So
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: women's liberation is like what you know, what we call it,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: but essentially it is a liberation from the biological and
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: that I think is what where this is? I mean,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: you said, like you know, this is like the end
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: result we were talking about how this is the end
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: result of feminist theory. I don't think it's the end.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I think that there's more that we haven't seen yet.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I think that transgenderism inevitably leads to transhumanism, and that's that,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: and that is something that is that comes up in
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: this video. But because I think it is like, like,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: if you feel limited by your biology, then you must
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: be oppressed by your biology, because liberation or freedom is
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: the ultimate goal of these people, this kind kind of
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: personal liberation. You know, like if you ask a feminist
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: what rights do men have that women don't, and they
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: will answer with something like the right to be able
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: to walk around in the middle of the night and
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: not get you know, graped. And this is obviously ridiculous
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: because the world is what it is and you can't, like,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: you can't make it into a world without any evil
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: or any harm or any pain or suffering or limitations.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: And so the limits, at least the perceived limits of
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: being female, which I think feminism kind of like ultra
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: focuses on because men obviously have limitations too, but we
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: don't think of those things as oppression. We just sort
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: of like live with it. You know. It's like like
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: the for example, the Olympics. Some of the I think
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: this might might be appropriate. So in the Olympics you
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: have the absolute best people competing in various you know,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: feat of athleticism and skill and hand eye coordination whatever,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: and they are, like, we're talking the best in the world.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: The reason why we like watching it, I mean, like,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: at least historically we've liked watching it is it's sort
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: of like saying, what is the human body capable of?
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: These people are operating at the most peak. So this
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: is the This is the absolute definition or at least
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: the absolute example of a meritocracy, at least in the
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: physical realm. But that means that people who aren't quite
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: at that level are left out. Now. Men love watching
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: the Olympics just like they like to watch sports because
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: they want to see exceptional feats, even stuff that they
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: can't do. Like I'm not athletic, but if I see
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: some guy, like, you know, skiing down a slope and
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: doing like a crazy stunt, I'm going to be impressed
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to say, Wow, that guy's amazing. When
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: I used to watch basketball, you know, the stuff that
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan and like Scottie Pippen and those guys could
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: do was like mind blowing. Like I was like just
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: so hyped to see it, because you like to see
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: people doing great things even though you can't do it.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: This is like, you know, we get into like when
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: they say, you know, there should be more women in
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: the military and that they should lower the standards so
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: that women can be in the military or join the
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: police force, or or fight fires or whatever, which my
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: wife Lindsay was she was trying to be a firefighter
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: and she couldn't pass the test, but she was doing
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: really well. I think, well, she didn't end up getting
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: in for one reason.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Or another, but because she doesn't drive.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, it could be that. But the
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: point is is that there is an expectation I think
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: that women or these activist types have where they're like
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: if I if because they despise meritocracy, they want to
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: change any merit based system to be more inclusive to
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: people who don't actually qualify, and so what they'll even
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: make up stuff to do it. And so the reason
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: why I bring up the Olympics is because there was
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: this you know, everybody knows about the viral video of
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: the of the Olympic breakdancing competition, which was apparently it
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: seemed to have been specially made specifically so they can
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: get this one Australian woman to breakdance, and it was awful.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: It was I mean, like I grew up in the eighties,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Like I was into breakdancing. My mother wouldn't let me.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: She didn't want me to do it. I was like eleven.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: She didn't want me to do it because the head
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: spin was so dangerous, like you're talking about it on
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the news and people could break their necks, you know.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: But I did do some breakdancing when I was a kid,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: and I'm telling you, like, as an eleven year old,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I would have absolutely destroyed this woman in a breakdancing competition.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: But she's at the Olympics competing, and I mean, like,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: first off, there's like why does this event exist for
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: the Olympics. But okay, barring that, though, why is she?
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: And then they tell you, they tell you, they go
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: into her whole story as they give you this backstory.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like what modern art has become, where
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: you need to learn the story of the art before
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: you could appreciate it. They give you this backstory of
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: this woman that was, you know, she felt left out
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: in a male dominated activity, which I guess is breakdancing,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: and so they let her do it and she was
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: awful at it, and they put it in the Olympics,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: and I was like, this is the death of meritocracy.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: And so there is a but the woman felt liberated
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: to participate. And what I think is the thing about
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: the transactivists is that they are looking. This is why
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: all of the arguments that you just made about women's
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: biological limits will not pierce their consciousness because and we're
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: talking about women who promote this stuff too, not just
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: you know, trans women, but like biological women, they're going
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: to reject it because ultimately they want to be liberated
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: from their their physical body. They want to be liberated
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: from that, and they have to like start you know,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: faking it until they make it. And this is the mindset.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: So like if you reject it, or if you say
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: there is a biological reality to being a woman, just
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: like there's a biological reality being a man, they will
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: act as though they're being erased by you, by your words.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: And so because they want to be liberated from that,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: So Yeah, biology doesn't matter to these people anyway. Let's
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: listen to some more of this a little bit, and
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: then we'll move back to the the next time.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Code Well, radical feminists were split on how to think
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: about trans people, but not that split. A minority, including
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Janie Raymond, thought that people transitioning to female represented gender
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: entrenching itself, but most radical feminists thought trans experience could
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: teach us a lot about how gender functions in society.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Raymond's depiction of trans people is neither the first nor
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: the exclusive feminist account of trans issues. Indeed, Susan Kessler
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: and Wendy McKenna's Gender an Ethno Methodological Approach was published
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: a year earlier. This work extensively discussed transsexualism, not in
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: terms of transsexualism as misogyny like Raymond, but as an
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: example of how we are all doing or performing genders.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Just pausing for the banana there. I don't know if
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: you want to say anything to that.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Just it occurs to me that all of this is
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: just bullshit, Like it's sheer bullshit, and its only purpose
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: is to justify extracting resources from people who make them
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: well men, Because.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, what's the point of academia At.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: This point, as far as I know, men are the
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: only ones still who do the majority who's pay the
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: majority of taxes, and the only ones who actually pay
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: into the system rather than being a net negative as
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: women are, and take more from the system than they give.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, this may not be something
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: that happened throughout all of you human history, but it
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: is now. So this is an astounding if you think
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: about it, All of this stuff is astounding because it
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: comes from the group of people that takes more from
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: the system then they give. And there have been groups
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: like that throughout all of human history. And it's basically
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: just a series of moral justifications for why the people
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: they are taking from deserve to have things taken from them.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. And it's like, yeah, that
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: this is just more of the same, the same as
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the old boss.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the purpose of all this academic
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: gobbledygook that just keeps coming, you know, and then they
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: it becomes it's it's you know how people would say
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: that AI art is going well in a way, it's
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: already become self referential, where you know, it goes and
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: it scours the Internet for all of the tools it
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: needs to create a piece of artwork. But now that
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: there's so much of the artwork that's already out there
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: that's already AI, that AI is essentially reaching into itself
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: to create more work. That's kind of what this feminist
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: academia is. So it's all feminists looking at the work
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: of other feminists and using the other feminists as legitimate
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: sources so that they can make new work that creates.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: So it's just eat. It's just like this thing that
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: eats itself. And I think the more it does that,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: the further away from reality it moves. And this is
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: why it's so easy for them to just say men
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: are the reason why everything sucks. Men suck, because that's
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: kind of like the baseline for all of this stuff,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: and it's just really easy.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Well, this is just like, like I said, most societies
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: seem to judge themselves by how while women are taking
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: care of how well the family is protected and provided for.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: We're no different except they're no children anymore. I guess
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: this this is divorced from children, divorced from any kind
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: of future legacy. But it's like this is this is it?
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is just this is the mechanism. It's
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: all nonsense, but it's it's mouth noises that intend to
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: justify taking stuff from men. That's it. Yeah, And I
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: mean there's other there's other aspects to it related to
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I think to create like getting men working in the system.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: So what you do is you create shame and guilt
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: so that men feel like they need to do something
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: to erase the shame and guilt, so they pict they
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: participate in the system. You know, they feel like they
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: have to become someone in the system. I mean this
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: is this is like when I've looked at the more
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: subtle forms of slavery. This is just lifted directly from that.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Is that you you can take people through a process
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: where you strip away their identities and their sense of value,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: and you say, well, the way you get value is
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: by getting on this hamster wheel that I've constructed just
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: for that. It just so happens to run the gears
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: of our society. That's that's it's like one on one
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: and uh, this is I think feminism is that kind
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: of a mechanism for the men of our society. That's
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: fundamentally they you know, it is it is driving men's
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: participation like this, This, this constant drumbeat of shame and
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: humiliating humiliation is driving men's participation in systems of generating
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: other forms of merit. So you want to learn, you
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: want to earn as much money as you can, because
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: then you can earn a sense of value outside that
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: fill that hole that they beat into you with this
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: shame and guilt, which is really hilarious because generally the
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: people who control this process are not the ones oppressed
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: by it. Mm hmm, okay, let's keep it.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: Let's listen to some more of Thisler and McKenna. We're
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: curious about what trans perspectives might have to contribute to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: the understanding of gender experience, gender relations, or women's oppression.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: In the early days, these two sexs butted heads, but
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: also attended the same events, quoted the same books, and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: considered themselves to be fighting for the same goals, only
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: through contradicting strategy.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want to say.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Something, No, I just I'm wondering if there's going to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: be a point to this to any I.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Think she's I think what she's doing is she's laying
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: out the history to say, you know, we all started
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: off with good intentions, and then there was a little
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: bit of gender critical No, well do you have the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: gender critical movement? And overall we were kind of on
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: the same page. But then you got like the part
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: or this little radical bit of feminism. I don't know
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: how she frames it, like whether it's smaller or the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: mainstream that is not so thrilled about the gender critical
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: position because it will it could impact the way that
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: women benefit exclusively. But again, like you have to ask yourself.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: You were just talking about this hamster wheel thing, like
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: if you not an easy question to think about, but
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: we should think about it. How many trans women are
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: choosing this path because they hate being men? And how
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: much of that is the is the product of this
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: gender critical intersectional you know, gay, race based communism, feminism stuff,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: how much of that is affecting men Like Tina who
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: were out of the show that was like they thought, Oh,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: this is a com completely rational thing I'm going to do.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: It's not gender nysphoria. I'm going to live as a
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: woman because living as a woman is better because women
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: are better because men suck. And it's like, well, how
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: many trends, how many trans women believe that I think
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: it's a lot, especially because the number keeps going up,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: and women are like forcing like mothers are forcing this
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: on their kids. Like how much damage is that doing?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: And so, like you said, you know, there's like the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: hamster wheel of productive men that are essentially like you know,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: living in a semi slave state because their resources are
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: being taken from them through taxation and redistributed to women
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: while they work. And of course they believe that it's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: just like trapping the dude. Yeah, go ahead, if you.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Think about it, They're being rewarded for labor to keep
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: everybody's legs on. So this system is taking men, putting
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: them to work, giving them money, and and taxing that money.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: But the work that they're doing is keeping everybody comfortable
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: and provided for. It's not astounding, it's.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Like and then on top of that, you have what
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: what do the men who don't want to become a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: part of the of this uh you know, uh, semi
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: slave labor class. What do they do? Well, they could
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: just live as women and then they get to participate
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: in the benefits. So you when you said that, you know,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: men have to trans like what is expected of them
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: is that they transcend or transform themselves their identities as men,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: so that it's not like in you know, inherently like
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: the normal masculine. So they live as women so they
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: can just like, well, I want to be a part
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: of this upper echelon of existence. I'm going to live
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: as a woman. I'm going to transcend my masculinity, and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to live this way. While the men who
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: don't want to do that, which is the overworld majority,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: they're just you know, tax what, they're just tax revenue.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: They're just like being slowly drained. And all of this
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: is being redistributed to women and trans women to some
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: degree because I mean, they find ways or at least
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: they're hoping to benefit in the same way that women do.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the way that this goes is
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: we have an investment in shaming and guilting men. So
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: men feel like they have to overcome the deficit and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: the deficit that being a man is, and so they
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: sort of start to develop this idea of taking pride
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: or taking an identity in this well basically money, so
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: acquiring money, which then incentivizes the work of society. And
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: of course feminists will come back and look at that
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: and say, well, masculinity so fragile or toxic masculinity, but
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: we really need toxic masculinity to survive. I wish we
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: could find a much better way for this to work,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: I wish, well we could start by not calling it toxic.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: And yeah, well I could start calling it by toxic expectations,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: not toxic masculinity. I had some I had a guy,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: uh come into our discord and he was talking about, Oh,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: I don't I wanted to talk about toxic masculinity because
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: there are all these expectations put on men that are
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: onnorous And I'm like, well, by who? Oh it was
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: just some Yeah, well I didn't say by who. I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: just simply said, well, if they're expectations, why call it
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity? Why not call it toxic expectations. I've never
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: seen someone bounce from our discord that quickly. It's like,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: you can't. Just the least amount of pushback on that
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: identity causes like, and it causes some men to go
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: into a tailspin. This just that that least about of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: maybe it's not you, Maybe it's the expectations placed on you.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe it's the guilt and the shame that's
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: causing you to slowly kill yourself in order to gain
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: back value. Maybe that's the problem. Bounce can't handle it.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Just the least amount of questioning that that system. Well,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be. It's gonna be hard. Guys like to
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: decondition people from this. It's gonna be. It's gonna be.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: It's it's project. It's a project. Let's just say that.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: But to get men feeling like they deserve any kind
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: of appreciation just for their masculinity in their manhood, that's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: a project. Okay, go ahead, Brian.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think men, well I don't. I don't think
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: men have a problem doing that. But but what I
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: was gonna say is the oh I think I lost it.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: The thought, well, I have to disagree, have to push
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: back a bit on that, because I have seen men
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: who do have a problem with that. They really do
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: have toxic.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was about the toxic expectations ahead.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: So it's women have to be open to sharing a
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: bit of that inherent value if you want, if you
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: want humans to have inherent value, women have to sort
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: of share the inherent value of being a female with
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: with men. And if you if you if we're going
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: to and it's it's both sides really, because it feels
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: like it can be very threatening to question the identity
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: that you've received as a result of being shamed and guilted,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: because if you do question that identity, then what you're
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: left with is that ocean of shame and guilt. So
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: you'll cling to it. It's like it becomes your life raft.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: It becomes like, Okay, this is how I'm going to
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: navigate the world, and if I get off it, I'm
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: going to drown in my shame and guilt. So men
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: who are in that mentality really reject any question like
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: anything like, well, you know, what does that rife? Is
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: that life raft really working for you? They completely reject it,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: and you can understand why because it's a just desperate
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: survival situation and they're trying to keep afloat of the
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: ocean of shame and guilt. So in that sense, it's
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: going to be a very difficult process to kind of
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: get people away from that. But also women, you know,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: they feel like the only in many cases in this
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: society doesn't really help women on this score. Women feel
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: like the only value they get is from being women
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: because they just I've seen it. It's just difficult for
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: them to conceptualize that. You don't like if you when
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: when Manifestel yesterday said women are women are I don't
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: know what she was saying, adaptable, creative, blah blah blah,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: it's like, no, you're not. No, because Manifestell tells you
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: that you have these qualities doesn't mean you have them.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: In fact, the more you rely on people telling you
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: that you have things, the less likely you are to
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: develop them. And I think women struggle with that. It's
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: like their skills are not I mean, skills can involve performance,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: but skills aren't a performance. Like It's not like Manifestel
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: performing the dance of women being more compassionate than men,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That's that makes men women
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: more compassionate than men. It's women exercising the ability to think,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: to put themselves in someone else's shoes and understand men.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: That's what makes it right. And she doesn't even give
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: a shit about compassion for men. I'm just using that
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: as an example, right, So the more we say women
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: have these qualities, the less they actually have them. Because
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: these qualities don't come from being a woman. They come
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: from gaining the skills, developing the virtues, developing the their's abilities,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: you know. So, but women are stuck in that because
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: they feel like if people aren't telling them that they're
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: x Y and Z, then they cease to be x
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Y and Z. I was remember, I was watching I Know,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: We're really far afield. Maybe it's because of the repulsion
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: towards listening to the actual video, but I was. I
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: was on Twitter and a guy was talking about you
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: know how women, uh, you know, they struggle with being
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: firefighters or being cops and women shouldn't be firefighters and cops.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: And some women was like, well, what what is it? Was?
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Our only role supposed to be like cheerleaders for men
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, you get a man, you
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: cheerlead him and he'll take a bullet for you. And
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: she's like that means well that well then then there's
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: no point.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like a star man waiting in the sky. Lee.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: From the very beginning, your premise is ridiculous. You are
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: going to this man and saying how do I be valued?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Like I need you to say say that I can
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: be a firefighter or a cop or just as good
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: as a man. To feel valued. It's like, that's not
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: when people say you are something, it's not. It doesn't
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: make you that thing. And going to this guy and saying,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: well I want to be valued, Well, he's gonna say
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: what he values in you? Why don't you just develop
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: your own value as an individual? You see what I'm saying. Mm,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh, but yeah, I need you to value
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: women in these ways. Otherwise women have no value. No
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: find in yourself what you value.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: It's like this this women really struggle with individuating. Do
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying With saying I'm gonna be
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: this thing. I don't need other people to say that
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I'm this thing to be this thing, because I'm going
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: to do the actions that make me this thing. Like
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, does it does a mountain man need somebody
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: to say, oh, you're a really great survivalist to be
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: a really great survivalist. No, he goes out on the
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: mountain and survive. No, he doesn't need anybody to say that.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: And that's the problem with women.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: They're constantly in this mindset that they need They think
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: they need acknowledgment, they think they need people to say
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: that they're you don't just develop the skills, and then
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: you'll know in yourself that you are this thing. A
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: mountain man doesn't need somebody to tell him he's a
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: mountain man, and know he's a mountain man. It's the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: towel of the mountain man, you know. Okay, all right, all.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, to get back to this, I don't want
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: this to be a long show.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Brian, I think this is shaping up
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: to be a long show.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know. All right, Uh so you
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: know what I was gonna say, because I think that, like,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: first of all, a couple of things about this video.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: It's it seems really high end, like a lot of
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: expensive equipment, and she got other people to help her
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: do voiceovers. It's just another another thing that gives me
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: the inclination that these bread tubers, they get a lot
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: of funding from people like that hook them up, because
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: this is a pretty like she's using. I mean, Manifesto
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: obviously doesn't do that. But this woman, I think that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: she's part of this, like the Sean and Jen and
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: the bread Tube people. I think she's one of them ContraPoints,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: you know, like well, Prince of Queen's Rest in Peace,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: he he did a video on contra points explaining how
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: expensive it is to make the content. The ContraPoints makes
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: the costumes, the lighting, the microphones, the footage, and they
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: get a lot of help and there's a lot of
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: astroturfing going on. So I'm just saying something about this
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: seems astro turf, but that's just my speculation. The other
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: thing I was gonna mention is that I think that
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: the when liberation becomes the ultimate goal, you're always looking
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: for another thing to be liberated from. And that's why
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: we're getting to this point where people are like they
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: want to transcend their body. And I think that this
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: is like the I think that's why there is a
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: direct connection to feminism. And she's making this case and
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: this is something people should pay attention to. But anyway,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: let's get back to the video. Place more of this.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: Power over women in an error of rising feminism, and
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: therefore the book understands trans healthcare and social inclusion as
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: institutional sexism. This is not really supported by any of
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: her contemporaries ideas about gender, and it's not hard to
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: see how it would drift away from feminism toward the
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: movement we know today whether or not it means to.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: It ends up affirming biology is destiny and arguing in
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: favor of gender policing to keep women safe. But Janis
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: Raymond did not invent chansphobia. Even among feminists. She went
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: over new members by appealing to a prejudice they already carried,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: which naturally attracted people who were less attached to advancing
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: the feminists cause and more into building a framework around
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: their bigotry.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: Really mmmm well, honestly, I think it's really really simple.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: There's no real logic to it. You have a group
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: of women who wanted to use this this tool, it's
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: just a tool like it's it's basically like a hammer
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: or a screwdriver or crowbar. They wanted to use this
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: tool because it gets them money in clout, which is
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: this profession that that women's roles weren't a result of
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: biology but men's oppression. And they wanted to use it.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: But they didn't want to provide any of that to
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: anything called that they could consider a man supple Is
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: that mm hm. They just they don't want the guns
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: to be in the hands of men. If you don't
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: need to have logic here, I'm just I'm just curious, Like,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: so if a man identifies as a woman, he doesn't
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: have to change anything. If he identifies as a woman,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: he ceases to have the original sin of being a man, presumably, right,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: I mean he can, he can.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: He's intersectional for intersectionals, yes, depending on But then again,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: they also have the ability to determine whether or not
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: a man is like legitimately identifying as a woman, depending
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: on how they feel about him.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: But that's becoming like that's challenged, right, like they they
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: they're saying that meant that that we shouldn't question how
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: people identify, right, So ultimately doesn't that I mean, honestly,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: if everyone identified it as as a woman, there would
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: be no feminism and there would be no one to
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: guilt and shame.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: I guess, I guess not. But that's the thing, Like
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: that's why there are you know, I guess turfs or or.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because they know that.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's I think I think that's true. Yeah,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: I think they know that it And the thing is, though,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's is it a solution just men identify
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: as women?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: No, it's not a solution, of course it isn't. I mean,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: it would my my inner troll is like, but no,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: that's not a solution to have men abdegate their identity
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: as men, Like uh, But it is really interesting though,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: also that this is the case that if men identified
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: as women, their legal situation would be immediately better, their
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: social situation would be immediately their political situation immediately better,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: people would express compassion and concern for their issues, and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: yet we live in a society that benefits men over women.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Nah.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, basically, what the turfs are doing is they
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: they want to keep all of that for women. That's
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: what they want. I mean, I keep asking them, you
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: know what, what are these women's rights that you want
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: to preserve from trans women? And they never answer, But
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: we all know what they are.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: But we all thought women didn't have any rights, and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: the transom the rights.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: That's the point, you know. It's funny because they want
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: to simultaneously say that the position of women in society
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: is degraded and preserve that position just for women, because
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: it's all bullshit, it's all just tool. There's no law to.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Work or I think what they would argue is that
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: what they would argue is that women, despite having so
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: few rights compared to men, are in danger of losing
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: what little rights they have left because of men. Like
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: men entering women's bathrooms or women's prisons or women's sports
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: is like taking away with the the little sliver, the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: little tiny like morsel of rights that men allowed them
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: to have. Trans women are taking that now too.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: This is let's say.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: But then, but here's the game would argue.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Let's say that every man identified as a woman and
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: inherited the little sliver of rights and lost all of
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: their rights as of men, or supposed rights as of men.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: They're against that too. Yeah, I mean, by definition.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: All sports would be men's sports. Well, they'd be women's sports,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: but biological men would be playing them all.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but but but the point is that trans women
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: may say that they're trying to defend what little sliver
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: they've gotten. But if you think about it, if all
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: men identified as women, all of the ill gotten gains
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: that men have would be gone, Like they would all
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: be in the position of women, so there would be
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: nobody benefiting. It would all just be women martyring themselves.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: And and so I mean that completely contradicts the radem
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: or the turf assertion. Like basically, when a man becomes
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: a woman, he's abdicating all of the benefits of being
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: a man, presumably unless there's something like, I mean, all
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: if all of the benefits of men doesn't come from
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: their biology, but from this arbitrary social decision to benefit men,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: then when men say I'm going to stop being a
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: man and be a woman, they lose all that. So
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: the way to get rid of male privilege that the
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: trad fems are sorry the radical feminists have asserted in
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: the past is merely due to do to social factors,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: not biology, is to have all men become women. Gone.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: Male privilege is gone because there's no social category to
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: receive it. Like, why would they oppose this?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: They would create a new class of privilege though they
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: would just come up with them transwoman privilege.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: But I'm the point is that when you take their
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: bullshit to its logical conclusion, it's a self contradictory mess,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: all of it. Like, there's no reason to oppose women
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: men identifying as women. I mean, I guess, uh, there are.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: What if we just had it so men who identify
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: as women have their own bathrooms in sports? Is that okay?
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Rat trans radical exclusionary radical feminists of course, not of
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: course not, because you're protecting a privileged role, right, And
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, if if we had that compromise, if if
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: if we had that compromise, that trans women had their
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: own bathrooms in their own sports, could they take on
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: the social role of women? Turfs would still say no,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: because they're protecting a privileged role. And by saying no,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: they are completely negating their entire the entire logical construct,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: illogical construct that they've made, because that is the way
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: that you get rid of male privilege. You know, there's
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: every every trans woman is a little less male privilege
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: in the world, Turfs, and you're against that. So okay,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: let's let's keep going. I'm I'm talking over this girl,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: and out of how many more, there's.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Like three left. I couldn't jump ahead to something else.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Jesus giving like the history. Let me look here, hold on.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: The early transfeminists reading hidden motives into trans existence. Okay,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: I actually care of those.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Pay this, Okay, let's listen to this.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: The anti transfeminism was also prone to reading hidden motives
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: into trans existence, which lent itself really well the conspiracy theory.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: It was all about the medical industry normalizing transsexuality for profit.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: Creating these uncanny post gender post humans. Well, Janis Raymond
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: has insisted the transsexual Empire wasn't about an intentional plot
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: to invade women's spaces. It's very easy to read it
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: that way, and a lot of people did so. I
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: can see why people call this sort of thing conservative
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: or fascist. You know, they wanted me to stop existing.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: They were quite bad. But unfortunately the right doesn't have
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: a copyright on bigotry. And I find radical feminists hard
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: to pin down is simply left or right. I often
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: see them taking positions I find horrible for reasons I
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: pretty much agree with Turfs like Janie Raymond and Mary
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: Daily weren't calling for a return to some simpler time
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: before trans people existed. They were, you know, radicals who
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: wanted to totally reshaped gender or get rid of it altogether.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: The provincial So this is a trans woman, Yeah, that's
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: the claim. I mean, I don't know, because the thing is, like,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: legitimately we're at the point now where a biological woman
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: could claim to be a man that is transitioned to
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: a woman and remain a biological woman. I mean, I
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: got I honestly don't know. I don't know, and I'm
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: not really, I'm not I don't care. I'm not interested.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: I don't care what you got going on in your plumbing.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean she is she identifies as trans.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: That's why she said trans people exist, and then looks
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: at her own hands sarcastically. So, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Okay, Well, let's uh.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: Go to the next bit. So there is the role
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: of Okay, go ahead, I'm not feeling it. Yeah, yea.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: Let's let's look at the conspiracy theories a little bit
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: later in the video on a second about like the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: turf conspiracy theories that are claimed to be So I'm
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: just trying to find it on the now we're doing
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: that is thirty seven.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Sponsor. He did sponsor this, okay, and he put in
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: five hundred dollars as a thank you for doing this
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: particular topic. I think that the trends like this, this
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: battle between the trends exclusionary radical feminists and the other feminists,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: the intersectionals, the intersectionals, It is definitely fascinating, but ultimately
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: it's just it's not really a logical thing. It's just
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: they are pursuing two different ways to manipulate men. Into
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: giving them stuff attention.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Yep, well yeah, and you got like, I guess with
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: the intersectional feminists, there's a way for some men who
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: choose to like live as women that they can get
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: in on that. Like, I don't know like that because
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: like the turfs obviously want everything for themselves. So I
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: guess at least the race gay race communists are more
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: interested in sharing, I guess to their to their credit,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: all right, yeah.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to say one thing about the turfs.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: I have had some run ins with them, and usually
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: what I do is I eventually just ask them, well,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: what's your what's your plan? You allege that patriarchal is
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: a horrible patriarchy is a horrible oppressive state for women,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: what's your plan? How are you going to get us
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: out of there? Because I can tell you right now,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: as a the person who's in who's who likes to
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: think about systems, the first step is probably to get
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: your sisters to learn how to do utilities. And and
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: I go on and I give them some some action plan.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like this, does this sound like there's something that
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: they have for people who profess to be so oppressed
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: by the system, They never are thinking about how to
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: get out of it at all. They constantly talk about
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: how they are pressed by it, and they never seem
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: to give any thought to how to get out of it.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Because I can tell you that in previous eras, people
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: who were oppressed by the system often did a lot
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: to try themselves get themselves out of it, and considering
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: how those people were legally disenfranchised from removing themselves from
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: the system. So in other words, if they did attempt
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: to remove themselves from the systems, they would be hunted
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: down and put back into the system. And yet in
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: this era, women can simply remove themselves from the system
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: by buying a bunch of land, setting up their own utilities,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: and living with their sisters. But they rarely seem to
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: be doing that. Hmmmmm, strange.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: Hmm, it's a real real he boils the noodle. Yeah.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're proposing that this is a system
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: that is so oppressive to women. It's more oppressive to
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: women than any system has been oppressive to humans throughout
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: all of human history, and yet you have no desire
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: to leave it. Hmm. Sounds like you're just complaining.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: No way, women complain, all right, let's go to the
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: video play a little bit, and this is the next
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: segment where she talks a little bit about the conspiracy
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: theories that the turfs have about trans people because it's
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: all about like making putting. So this is another thing
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: that's happening between the turfs and the intersectionals, is they're
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out who's really the oppressor and who's
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: the oppressed, because it always comes down to that. So
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: it's like turfs are oppressing intersectionals, or intersectionals because they
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: consider trans women to be women are pressing turfs because
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: trans women to turfs are just men. So it's it's
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: just like which men are the problem? You know? All right?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: Anyway back to the video.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: Girl, I wish these theories are so normalized that it's
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: easy not to realize.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, wait, I think I jumped a little bit
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: too far back. So let's let's get back to it.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: Because it's fine. But of course you can't accept that
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: all you hear about are the times when things go wrong.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: You're gonna search for other answers as to why trans
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: people exist, why governments tolerate us, why the mainstream media
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: isn't covering all these horror stories you're hearing about. As
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: you radicalize further, the gap between your reality and everyone
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: else's grows. And as that gap grows so much, the
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: size of the cover up. Who's benefiting from all this?
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: Who's greenlighting all these TV shows? Why is the government
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: paying to mutilate children? Why are their pronouns on my
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: goddamn chocolate bar. The world of anti trans conspiracy theories
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: is vast and probably well known to most of you.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: You hear people bring them up in bits and pieces
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: in a way that can make it sound like they're
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: not conspiracy theories but widely known facts. You know, people
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: call us groomors.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: They okay for okay, lady, this stuff is happening. It's
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: not a conspiracy to say that it's happening right now.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: How is it that you recognize there is a you
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: recognize there is opposition to what you are doing, but
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: not that you are doing it. How is that even possible?
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Are you? Is this what you're trying to tell us?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: You are up to something. You are trying to do something.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: You're trying to normalize trands, which means you're trying to
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: put them into movies. They're trying to put you're trying
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: your you're promoting organizations that increase diversity, like you're saying that.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: For example, all of those organizations that explicitly say we
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: will increase the diversity of your writing in games and
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: presumably I also exist in television and writing. All of
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: them don't exist like they do because they exist because
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: they make money, they're paid, and they're on people's payrolls.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: They exist. So, yes, there is a push to get
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: trans inclusive content into games and teav shows and movies
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: and all of that that exist Olympics, and also to
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: have it the goals and also to have like this
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: stuff is happening, right, and you would say that you
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: are part of it happening. So what you're saying is, yeah,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: I'm doing this thing, but recognizing the fact that I'm
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: doing this thing is a conspiracy theory.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: No, that's you wanting to.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Do something and somebody says I don't like that thing
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: you're doing, and you wanting to shout them down and
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: marginalize them recognizing that you're doing it. This is this
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: is the annoying thing. It's one of the most annoying
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: thing about activists of this stripe. They do something they
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: say this is what we are doing, and then if
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: somebody says, hey, you're doing that thing, they say, no,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: we're not, and if we are, it's a good thing.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: I no, no, 're not, and it's a good thing
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: that we're doing it.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Or they'll they'll start by saying that thing that
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: you think is happening isn't happening. It's a conspiracy theory.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: And then the next step is, well, that thing is
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: not happening and you're a crazy person, but if it
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: was happening, it would be a good thing. And then
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: it's well, it's happening, but it's also a good thing,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: and you're not allowed to have an opinion on it.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, it's not even like it's not
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: even necessarily making a value judgment. That is where this starts.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: It's just like observing, like I'm noticing things and I'm
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: saying that I notice them there, and that's where the
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: offense begins. So I'm not even really necessarily making a
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: value judgment or taking a position on it. I'm just
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: saying this is happening. Maybe after that I might ask
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: the question is this good? Because I think it's a
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: good question to ask, But they're like, no, you can't
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: talk about this. That makes you a bad person.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: And it's all about the conspiracy theory. Yeah, but there's
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: the doing what she says she's doing.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: There is a bit more. I think she gets into
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: the let me see here, elite corporatists. Oh yeah, she
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: talks about Helen Joyce and let's see. H well, let
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: you know what, let's just listen to some more of this.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: Hold on. I think there's there's something coming up here.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: Supposedly financing the movement. It's like, girl, I wish these
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: theories are so normalized that it's easy not to realize
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: just how deep the iceberg goes.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: Wait wait that Yeah, but Blackrock is.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: Is funding, is pushing behaviors.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, I wish like you were you were talking about
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: earlier about how her like her video seems.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: Very professionally made, yes, expensive with expensive tools like cameras, footage,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: and she's got other people doing readings of her, various
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: sources who are probably also activists on bread Tube as well.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think so anyway, m yeah, I mean, I
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: mean yes, But the other thing is that even just
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: to say to her point, we know that these initiatives
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: are being funded because the people funding them say that
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: they're funding these initiatives. That's not a conspiracy theory.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, there's like this. You know, this
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: is another thing that femnists do is that they want
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: to make you think that they are really small, but
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: also boast about their power or like how how I
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: don't know, establishment their positions are while also trying to
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: be the underdog. They're trying to like live in both
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: of these spaces at the same time. And I think these, yeah,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: these people are doing the same obviously, Like like I said,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: the Olympics had a whole trans you know, last supper thing.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: The White House did a whole thing, like they declared
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: Easter National Trends Awareness Day, like these are not And
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: again I don't care, do what you want, but this
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: is you can't tell me that that's not like some
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: serious top down influence in the culture. Right every June,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: it's like okay, here it comes, you know, it's.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: Like we know.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I don't care, but just don't
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: pretend like what's happening isn't happening. Don't piss down my
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: back and tell me it's raining. But okay, I got
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: a rumble rant from Nova Fan twenty one. Thank you,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Noba Fan. He says, transactivists, we're just minding your own business. Also, transactivists,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: we're coming for your children, all right. Do you actually
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: we haven't got any super child? Let me see, do
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: we get any super We did?
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: We did get a Super Bowl?
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: Oh oh we did? We did? Okay, for some reason,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: it's not coming up on my social stream ninja. So anyway,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: long Live Clyde gives a send dollars thank you, Long
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: Live Clyde and says astro Turf the organically popular anime.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: Is that a real thing? Or was like intro Boy? No,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: it's abstro boy.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: But he's saying he's just beas okay, all right, anyway
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: back to this, Oh, good lord, let's finish this.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's try keep talking. I'm gonna shut up, shut up, shup.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: Seeds for all this all.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: Linked their work below.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: Anyway, all roads lead to Billock.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 6: Technology is taking us as a species on a bullet
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 6: train ride towards humanities melding with AI. The pharma and
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: tech controlled media are overriding any critique of the purported
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 6: human rights movement, a movement poised to kean and ormist
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: future profits for pharma and tech. They are engaged in
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 6: overt censorship regarding any critique of what this agenda is
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 6: doing to society, children and women's rights. When we step
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 6: back to look at the bigger picture, something much different
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 6: than a human rights movement emerges. It also explains why
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 6: most major corporations, banks, pharmaceutical, tech, and medical industries, along
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: with politicians and governments, are all in for trans Why
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 6: would they care about point zero three percent of the population.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: What is the investment.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: Jennifer okay, well, okay, basically atomizing us further in order
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: to control us, I would imagine. But what is wrong
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: with this conspiracy theory? Let's hear.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a conspiracy theory though, Like I
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: think that there's plenty of I don't want to say proof,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: but there's a lot of evidence. Like none of this
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: is crazy. It sounds crazy, but like you look around
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: and just look legit, like people pushing for this stuff
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: and it's and a lot of it comes from the transactivists,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: like they're the primary drivers of this stuff.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: Like what do you feel?
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: Why is Jeffrey marsh still on TikTok saying I want
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: to talk to the kids. Like again, I'm not saying
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: that this is a complete picture, but there are We're
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: looking at elements like right in front of our eyes,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: and this person wants you want to say, no, this
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: is it's ridiculous if you think this, And it's just
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: like I said, just like when you look at the
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: natural and I mean, I'm not saying this is for everybody,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: but there are people who the goal of liberation does
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: not have an end outside of because it gets to
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: the point like women have never been freer, and they
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: still feel oppressed, and they are oppressed in their mind
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: by their own biology as women, and so why wouldn't
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: they want to transcend that? Why why is it that
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: there is like a growing number of trans men and
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: then and these trans men and I you know, my
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: heart bleeds for them because they are suffering, I'm sure,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: but they become men because they think it's better to
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: be a man. But then they will continue to identify
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: as a woman because they also see the benefit of
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: being a woman. Like we just did a video, was
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: it a few months ago? Where there was like a
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: black transman that got like the surgery done and was
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: sitting there saying I'm still identify as a female lesbian
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: because I'm better than most like biological men. And she
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: boasted about this, and it was like wow, like that
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: is crazy that you would even frame your life that way,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: where you're like, I'm in competition with men even if
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: I become a man. Where does that come from? So
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: like when you have to ask yourself where it comes from?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: But this YouTuber doesn't want you to look too closely,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: I guess, well, I don't know, all right.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: I will say that the fact that they're talking about
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: women's rights is sort of a red flag for me.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: The thing is that I don't need to appeal to
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory to know that when you embrace something
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: like men oppressed women, when you actually degrade the relationship
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: between men and women with bullshit like men oppressed women,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: that you're going to have absolutely awful things come of that,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: that you're going to destroy the relationship not just between
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: men and women, but between men and men, women and women,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: women with themselves and men with themselves. And that's like,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: this is to me, I don't need to say that
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: black Rock did this or this is AstroTurf. This is
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: just a symptom of a society that's embraced its self destruction,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: which is, I don't know, a philosophy or religious belief
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: an idea of the relationship between men and women that
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: is profoundly toxic. Like you know and we you don't.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: The in my mind this is these these entities that
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: you're identifying aren't the cause of the death of the
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: They are what's feeding on it. Blackrock is feeding on this,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: the pharma is feeding on this, the government is feeding
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: on it. They're benefiting, well, not in the long term,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: I guess they're benefiting by maintaining their own but that
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: they are feeding off of it. They are feeding off
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: of the mental illness, the society wide mental illness created
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: by believing that men oppress women full stop. It is
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: society wide like it, and it it's it is the
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: cause of all of this ship. I know that that
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: seems very simplistic, but the thing is that the relationship
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: between men and women is the foundation of everything, everything,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: and it will always be the foundation of everything for
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: a sexually dimorphic species. And when you destroy that, you
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: will see effects everywhere, and they'll seem like they're separate
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: because it's really difficult to see the foundation that everything
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: stands on Like that, that's actually very difficult. It's like
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: being efficient seeing water right, you know. And but when
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: you see all of these problems everywhere, you know, problems
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: in infrastructure, problems of getting the right people to the
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: right jobs, problems with meritocracy, problems with the government, problems
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: with the systems and the trust and problems with the
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: medical industry, problems with the banks, problems everywhere, it's because
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: there's something wrong with the foundation. When you get down
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: to the foundation, you're talking about what we are saying
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: and what we are teaching about the relationship between men
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: and women. And I will keep saying that until enough
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: people understand it.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: Intersectionals don't want you talking about that because then you
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: are defining men and women. And they they don't just
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: believe that people can switch. They want the gender to
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: completely be abolished, so that there is no there are
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: no men or women. So this is like the you know,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: this is what the darkest part of trans ideology is.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: And contrast that to turfs. And I know that we
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: know we like to dunk on them too, and they
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: have their own problems, but it all comes from what
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: feminists created. But Ultimately, the reason why the trans ideology
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: is going to destroy us is because it's in its
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: primary goal is on eliminating distinctions between men and women.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: And in fact, they would argue, and they have a
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: religious belief on this. It's been written about by a
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: lot of queer theorists that the soul is separate. The
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: body is a prison and the soul needs to be
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: set free and it and to set it free is
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: to change the body to match the soul. So that that,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's just that's what they believe. It is
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: ultimately a religious belief. But anyway, let's let's uh, oh
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: I got let's get into so she responds to this.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: We could listen to her response to that if you want.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: I think it's just like oozing sarcasm and just kind
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: of dispiscile.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: Argument.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: I think she just says, oh, look at how crazy
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: these people are. How can you believe they believe this?
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: But let's play it. Let's basically just or just suggests, well,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: she suggests that they're bigots too.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Well, she's just doing the thing where you say something
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: is that are you just pretend you're It's like I think,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: in in in a in a region in Africa they
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: have this this contest, or maybe it was South America.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: If a contest where two men will get up on
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: stage and one will try to make the other one
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: look as ridiculous as possible and not using arguments, just
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: by pointing and laughing or or just you know, making
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: faces and whatever else. And that's the whole point of
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: the contest is whoever makes the most of the audience
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: laugh at the other is the winner. And that's what
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: This is not an argument. This is just basically displaying
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: contempt in order to pretend like what you're displaying contempt
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: at is contemptible.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, all right, let's play the video. It does I
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: think at once? Yeah, it does. I got a super chat.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: I'll read it really quick. TV Dinner Master Chef. I
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: haven't seen him on here in a long time. What's
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: up TV Dinner Master Chef? I remember you from years ago.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: Gave us five euros, no pounds, I'm sorry five pounds. Oh,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry about what's going on in the UK. And
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: he says black Rock slash Vanguard fund those creating it.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: At what point does eating off of become causing and
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: vice versa? Well, it is, it's like at Oraboros. Isn't
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: it snake eating its own tail and all that? All right, anyway,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: thank you for the super chat. Let's get into this.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: Philia is a gender critical conspiracy theorist who believes global
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: elites are advancing trans rites in order to bring about transhumanism,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: the melding of man with machine, the obsolescence of biological life,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: maybe even the human instrumentality project. Okay, well now I'm
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: just pandering on her blog the eleventh hour.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: All right, that was the end of the clip. So
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: this is true. That's it. There are people who legitimately
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: believe it. Even Elon Musk has talked about it. This
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: is true. Like, I mean, I'm sorry because like where
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: I started hearing about this was from Natty, and I
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: know that she says crazy shit, but I think she's
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: right about that, and I've looked into it, and yeah,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: I think that an ultimately Again, it's like I was
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: saying before, if you want to be liberated, like completely liberated,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: then you got to like put your consciousness in a
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: fucking AI online Like people are already kind of doing it.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: If you go to like they're trying to, like they're
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: sort of I'll say that they're sort of what is
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: it easing?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: It?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: Like? They go into the VR chats, they you know, what,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: why do people identify as animals? Why do people identify
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: as all these different things?
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: I think that I think that it's a crisis of identity,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: and I think that it's it is where people are headed.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's where we're all going to have
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: to go, but I mean, what is like Mark Zuckerberg's metaverse.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: I think there is this is actually something that is
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: going on. I just don't know how widespread it is.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think it is. I think it's an internet thing.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: I think it's like a people who are termining online thing.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: But I do think there there is some of this.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's radical to say. I mean, Alison,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: you're trying to talk, but I can't hear you. What
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: did you do? You did something? You did something again?
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: You touched the rat's nest? All right, thank you for
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: the super chat. By the way, TV Dinner Mastership, I've
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: been around, mate, hiding in the shadows. The UK is ft,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: so is every Western nation. So hey, ho, well, just
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: get out the marshmallows and start roasting marshmallows, I got
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: another super chat chow. While Alison's working on that, I
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: got another super chow. Let me see if I can
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: do something on my end. I think that you're I
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: can all through your audio settings. So right now it
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: sets to your Sure, I'm gonna change it to the
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: MacBook Air for a second. And now can you say something?
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I can't hear you. So it's not that
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: it's not that. I'm gonna set it back to the Mac,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: to the shore mic and I'll let you figure that
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: out in the meanwhile, super Chow. When Richard Pierre says
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: for five bucks, just remember that ideologies like these don't
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: farewell in the middle of a famine. After all, when
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: large segments of the population are worrying about getting their
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: second or third meal in a particular week, many of
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: these complaints will fall on deaf years. Well. Yeah, that's
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: another thing that I have said many times. This is
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: only something that can that can exist in a society
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: that is extremely comfortable and safe. Oh you're back, Wait,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: you're gone.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: Switch. Can you still hear me?
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: Oh yep, now I can hear you.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, So, for whatever reason, when this happens, I
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: have to switch it to the MAC and then switch
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: it back to the Sure, no idea, what's wrong, none whatsoever.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe you're right, Maybe I just touched a chord in
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: my rat's nest and.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: There was a cascade of failures means that way.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: But anyway, though it's done. I've got this back. I
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: was going to say, you know, the transhumanism thing. I
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: don't doubt that there are transhumanists out there. Honestly, I
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: think that it's irrelevant because all we need to do
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: is make people want to be men and women again,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: and that's it. And uh, we can do that, and
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: if you want to be a transhumanist, that's fine. People
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: who want to be men and women will just have
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: kids and uh yeah, probably will be the future because
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: of it. But you know, like I'm not I'm not
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: a super conservative, if by any means, Like, I think
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: that we do need to reproduce ourselves, but I'm not
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: going to say that it necessarily has to be in
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: the like the I mean that probably the ideals man
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: woman child, But if it's gonna be gay men adopting kids,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, whatever weird flavor. We just need to
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: get it all working, even if it's just working in
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: a way that conservatives are like, what the fuck is this?
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: What is this.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: Duct tape thing you've constructed? As long as people are
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: enjoying themselves and having children, that's what matters, right, Well,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: you know they are invested in something, that's what matters.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: I think then we need to get there, and I'm
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: not too worried about what it looks like if we do.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: I don't particularly I will go ahead.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: Brian, Well, no, I'll just say it's fine. I'm just saying,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: like I don't. I'm not making a claim about whether
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: or not that it's good or bad. I am simply
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: stating that it is. And she's acting like it's ridiculous,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: and I'm saying it's not. And that's all. Uh, you're
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: I can't hear you again. I don't know what you did.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know why you're set up is like that,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: you know, I just watched the video that this guy
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: did a great little like uh demo of a product
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: which is a microphone that is inexpensive and bluetooth and
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: pretty high quality. So you might want to look at
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: it that it's like seventy bucks for like the deluxe
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: version forty bucks for something like kind of cut and dry.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: So just saying cord myself, Oh there you are. Wait
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: you're nope, you're gone. You need a new cord or hey, yeah.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: It's probably a fault in the cord, just because every
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: time I touch it it goes breaks. So it's probably
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: a fault in the cord. Some some some I did
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: something to the cord. I screwed it up. I'm sorry, guys,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: but I think that's probably what it is. I just
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: need to replace the cord. It probably really fine if
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: I replace the cord. We don't need to do I mean,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: I'll look into the microphone that you're suggesting, but I
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: think this will be probably be okay when the cord
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: is replaced. This this, this has all the hoof prints
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: of like a break in the cord, is what I'm saying.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let well I got one more.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: Ecatively, what I need to do is implant a chip
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: into my brain and then I can just think my
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: thoughts into the microphone and you know, it'll have like
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: a diaphragm that takes those thoughts and turns them into sound.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if I want to give people
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: direct access to my thoughts, though that might be a
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: bit weird.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, Well now I'm gonna say this is
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: the last This is the last clip. I tried to
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: boil it down. Essentially most of it is again, you know,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: what is what? What is a feminist? And then they
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: become like what is the far right? And the far
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: right just means whatever she wants it to mean, and
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: that means that anybody who disagrees with her is in
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: that club. But if this is the last bit, and
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: it also happens to be the most watch, so it's
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: the biggest hump. So we're just gonna watch that.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: Certain kid.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: There's big.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: Bathrooms with guns. Someone like Heleen Joyce speaks in the
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: Register of Women's Rights, a run of them. A liberal
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: can follow her for years, probably without ever realizing her
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: work is built on the conspiracy theory that Jewish lizard
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: bankers are transing children to create a new world order.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: As a follower of Joyce or Bailure or whoever, you
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: can be oblivious to their conspiracism.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: Or it'd be cool if it was. Though you know,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: if there were like lizard bankers, at least we would
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: have like a target.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, I just want to say that this woman believes
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: that men throughout human history have oppressed women. That is,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: men who have absolutely nothing in common and would kill
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: each other on site, have somehow come together to perpetuate
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: a system of oppression of women in defiance. Because the
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: thing is, if a non oppressedive society was more reproductive,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: was more productive than an oppressive society, it would win out.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: But they have done it in defiance of even human survival,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: and in defiance of the fact that human beings work
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: together and that's what makes us survive. Nope, all of
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: that irrelevant. Men oppressed women. You have no grounds to
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: talk about conspiracy theories, my friend, none whatsoever. You believe
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: the most ludicrous, ridiculous and stupid conspiracy theory ever constructed,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: which is that men oppressed women, that men have come together,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: that this half the human race has come together agreed
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: to do something. And you can say, oh, it's just
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: a small number of men on top, but they do
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: it apparently with the there's no way to get around it.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: They would have to have the agreement and the investment
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: of all the men underneath them to do it too.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: In the way that you're describing. So it's all men, basically,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: and men teach each their conspiracy patriarchy. Even when a
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: boy grows up with no male role models, all female teachers,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: single mother, doesn't even have a grandfather in the picture
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: or even an uncle, he has been taught patriarchy by men. Bullshit.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: You have no grounds to judge anybody's weird conspiracy theory
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: because yours is ridiculous.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The more the.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: More disseparate the group, the less likely they have come
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: together for a single purpose. Right, Like men are every
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: part of every single culture, ethnicity, race, you know, orientation
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: to everything. They represent, diversity, unbelievable diversity. And yet you
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: would say that all of these men, different ideologies, different religions,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: different cultures, different beliefs, different desires, have all come together
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: for one thing. It is bullshit, absolute bullshit. The instant
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: somebody spouts it, you know they're not thinking rationally.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, the rest of this it's okay, No,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: it is double That is ultimately, what I concluded, too,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: is that like she's trying to dismiss all these people
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: as conspiracy theorists, and she's a feminist.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: Disavowed outright, But even if you do, conspiracy theories will
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: continue to motivate your political actions because a conspiracy theorist
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: will still be the one handing down orders. Also, two
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: days before I had to film this, Helen Joyce was
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: caught reading sexually explicit Harry Potter fan fiction about children
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: in public. And I didn't have time to work that
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: into the script in any way, but it just needed
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: you to know that the A List turf. Helen Joyce
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: was caught reading smut about children, and she says it
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: was for research. She says it was for research.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: This is just gossip.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the people always I don't know. Yeah,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not well me neither, like who cares? Like?
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Let the best outcome would be these two sides kill
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: each other and see and the rest, you know, we
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: rise up from the ashes and rebuild society. Yeah, it's
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: like God'szill versus Mathra.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: There's I want to She's getting to a thing where
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: she compares the neo Nazis because apparently they also read
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: Harry Potter fan fiction. Anyway, let's let's.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: See pragmatic way to get things done. Coalitions are not
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: inherently evil. I work with liberals and anarchists all the time,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: even though I am neither pro capitalist nor anti bedtime
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: cheap shops. Sorry, yeah, by all means work with people,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: but also use your brain. Right, It's incredibly naive to
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: think the far right would show up at your events
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: with anything but nefarious intentions, or to think they care
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: about women in the.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: Same way you do.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: Nor do they care about the struggles of blue collar teenagers,
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: nor do they care about the planet. When fascists infiltrated environmentalism,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: it didn't reduce carbon emissions. When they infiltrated punk, it
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: led to more violence, more stigma, and worse music. Collaborating
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 3: with them never helps the original cause because fascists don't
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: show up to help. I hope it goes without saying
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: that the redirection of anger about misogyny into transphobia has
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: been a disaster for feminism, and I include trans exclusionary feminism.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: Kill yourselves, sorry, no, I mean, I mean kill yourselves,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: I mean and minecraft No, not quite like that. I
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: meant ideologically, ideologically destroy each other. Ideologically you know, eat
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: be the snake eating its own tail, so that you
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: guys disappear and the rest of us who aren't invested
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: in the most hideous conspiracy theory in all of human
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: history can actually start building something outside of the smoking
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: ruin you've constructed with it?
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: Like it all comes down to it, like that's it.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: Well, we just have to we just have to endure that,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, and then like see who like gets out
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: of the other end, and whether or not they're going
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: to look around and say, oh, damn, we fucked up.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean doing things a little differently.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean that they should on alive themselves. I
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: meant that the ideologies should kill destroy each other respectively.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: Mm hm. And also what the hell does she mean
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: by fascist?
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: Well she resumes that fascists are all so misogynists and
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: they believe in property rights and excuse me, yeah, so fashion.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: It's it's basically anybody who I disagree with, that's uh,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: you know, it's part and parcel.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like watching two branches of a conspiracy
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: theory fight each other, you know, and and it's like, well, okay,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: that's happening, this is something that's occurring. I'm not really
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: invested in any of these sides. I don't care which honestly,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: I just go and fight over your conspiracy theory.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: I just think the whole thing has been a gigantic
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: woman moment for like the past one hundred years, and
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: if we just get through this then I don't know.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: But anyway, that was I mean it basically like brings up?
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: Is it Julie Bindle or Judith Butler? I get these
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: women mixed up the fat one and I don't know,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: you don't have but okay, well let's do a teeny
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: bit more.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: Movement leaders have boosted their public profile, but mostly it's
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: just forced the movement to abandon any commitment to reproductive rights, separatism,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: gender abolition, things they once held its core principles. These days,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: when they talk about abortion, it's to complain that we're
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: saying pregnant people and not pregnant women.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 5: With the new legislations around abortion taking place in Texas,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 5: many human rights organizations decide to use the wording people
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 5: who can get pregnant rather than simply women, to describe
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 5: the ones being affected by the new law. Would you
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 5: consider this a step towards inclusivity or an act of
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 5: erasure of women?
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: It's not inclusive if you're excluding half of the planet.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: Men do not need ever to access abortion. Ever, the
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: liberals who fall in line like of course because.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, by the way, she thinks Kira Starmer's lay
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: Labor Party also fascist UK guys because they're not transit
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: inclusion enough while they're destroying your country with socialist bullshit. Anyway,
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: go ahead, Alison.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: This is what happens when you allow people who do
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: not understand systems to overlay their impression of how things
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: work onto systems. It's like, we're not we don't get
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: an architect, we just get someone with a crayon drawing
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: of a house. Yeah, let them fight.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: That's basically like there's there's I'm leaving a couple of
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: other ones on the side. But I think this is
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: all the all the big bits. I mean, essentially feminists,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: there's a pipeline feminist. As soon as you start questioning
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: the transagenda, then you are in bed with conservatives who
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: are basically Nazis, let's be real. And then you are
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: serving the patriarchy or the kuriarchy or whatever we're calling
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: it now, and that makes you a bad person. But
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: remember you're only a bad person because you are siding
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: with the wrong people, the people who believe in things
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: like family and children, and you know they don't know,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: like they're God fearing, Like those are the evil people,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: the people who are not involved, by the way, in
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: your struggle with yourself and your own people. They're not
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: your enemy, but you think they are so. And so
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: that means that the intersection or not the intersectionals turfs
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: are siding with them because sometimes you know, supposed like
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: right wing outlets will interview turfs about the trans thing.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: Well, not my fight. Like you you fight over the
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: smoking corpse of this stupid conspiracy theory that you all
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: have constructed and believe in. And uh yeah, you fight
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: over the end result of teaching this conspiracy theory, right,
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: you fight over all of that. Like literally, feminists, he
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: taught the conspiracy theory that men oppress women. What does
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: that mean? That men are defined as being oppressors, that
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: women are defined as being oppressed, A whole bunch of
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: people stop wanting to be men and women, not surprisingly,
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: because you don't really necessarily want to be a victim
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: and you don't necessarily want to be an oppressor and
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: have to carry that load of guilt. And then the
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: very same people who cause this problem start to advocate
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: for the people who were damaged by it, and then
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: the other people who still caused this problem and created
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: this situation want to say that no, this is wrong.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: We don't, we don't. We're not respond those people, and
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: we're not going to be responsible for those people. It's
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: just a whole bunch of fuck coming out of the
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: inability to take your thoughts and look at reality. Do
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: these do these emotions, do these feelings? Do they have
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: anything to do with reality? No? Yes, maybe can can
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: we can? We can we do a reality check? No,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: this is just this is just all of these people,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: the the the unfortunate fact is that they control a
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: lot of I guess the purposes of a lot of
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: different institutions. But really, I mean, let them fight. That's
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: all I can say is let them fight. I'm not
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: going to try to I'm not going to try to
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: figure this problem out for them because there is no answer.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: There is no answer, There is no way to construct
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: a detente between the Turfs and the intersectionals.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: They both just have to stop and walk away. But
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: they're probably not gonna do.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: You know, the only way that you can stop and
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: walk away is to stop asserting that men oppress women.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: You gotta stop it. You gotta walk away from your
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. You know, I mean, if you got if
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: you've got two groups of conspiracy, like the the Earth
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: is round like a plate. I'm sorry, the Earth is
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: flat like a plate. No, the Earth is flat like
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: a a square. Well, you know, the thing is that
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: you've constructed this reality in which the Earth is flat,
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: and both both assertions about the earth are true in
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: that reality. The only way to get to resolve that
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: issue is to walk away from the belief that the
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: Earth is flat. Feminists, just stop. But you know this
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: probably won't be a voluntary process. This, this, this will
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: be hard stop as in, everything will disintegrate and and
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: then we'll have to look at the pieces and say, hmmm,
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: where did we go wrong? Believing a conspiracy theory about
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: men would be would beware? All right?
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: So all right, I got, I got a rumble rant
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: and a super chat and then I guess we can
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: wrap it up. So sure the rumble rant goes as follows.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: Nova Fan twenty one gave us a dollar and says,
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: I love how lefties act like one oppressive world order
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: narrative is somehow a conspiracy, yet a similar one that
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: primarily switches the victim is somehow the only valid one. Well,
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: it's all, it's all a game. It's all an academic game.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: And then Dean Domino gets us a super chat for
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: for no sorry, four ninety nine? How do you do that?
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: I thought that, like, is it? Is it? Maybe if
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: you do it on your phone? It like rounds, you know,
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: rounds down or four nine nine? Like why why does
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: it look like that? Okay? Anyway, and says merch idea
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  Speaker 2: for the channel quote for the feminists in your life.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: The tinfoil pussy hat end quote.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: Ah, maybe I should do some tinfoil pussy hats.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: It'd have to be pink with ears, but also made
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: of tinfoil. I think you could do it. Yeah, pink tinfoil.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: Can you make tinfoil pink?
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: Isn't that?
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I imagine we'll have to look it up.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: That would be pretty funny, or just like a.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: Hat that Yep, there you go, mana magenta.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, no, it exists.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it exists. It man, it's called man Eater magenta.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, uh huh.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: All right, yep, there's there's pink tinfoil, so we could
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: construct pink pussy hats out of tinfoil, and then we
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: could give them to the feminists in our lives. Here
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: you go, This is this is how you accessorize your
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: retarded conspiracy theory. Enjoy.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: Do you make it trendy, they'll do it willingly. That
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: will rock those willingly.
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